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The Slim Reaper
27-06-2020, 07:40 PM
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8464901/Russia-paid-Taliban-BOUNTIES-killing-American-troops-Afghanistan.html

Russia paid the Taliban BOUNTIES for killing American troops in Afghanistan in plot orchestrated by secret unit which poisoned a defector spy - and White House has known for MONTHS

U.S. intelligence concluded a Russian unit paid bounties to Taliban elements for killings of U.S. troops
It would amount to a major escalation in destabilizing efforts for Moscow
The Trump administration took no apparent action in response, despite being briefed in March
It is reported the British government was also briefed this week
It is believed a deadly unit of the G.R.U may have been behind the operation
The Russian embassy in the U.S. fiercely denied the allegations Friday
The president has repeatedly called for having good relations with Moscow

In another brazen attack on the U.S., a Russian military intelligence unit has secretly paid bounties to Taliban-linked fighters to kill U.S. and coalition forces in Afghanistan, according to a bombshell New York Times report.

The report represents a deadly escalation in Moscow's repeated efforts to undermine U.S. policy, and came as the administration was seeking to find ways to extract itself from the decades-long war by making peace with the Taliban.

President Donald Trump was briefed on the activity months ago, the New York Times reported Friday, citing officials with knowledge on the matter – but the U.S. took no evident action.

U.S. Intel believed the operation to have been initiated by the notoriously violent Unit 29155 of the G.R.U, an arm of Russia’s military intelligence agency.

President Donald Trump delivers remarks to U.S. troops, with Afghanistan President Ashraf Ghani standing behind him, during an unannounced visit to Bagram Air Base, Afghanistan, November 28, 2019. A Russian military unit paid Taliban fighters bounties to kill American forces, according to the New York Times

In recent years, the unit has been linked to assassination attempts or revenge plots aimed at destabilizing the West.

Yet it would be the first time that it was known to have initiated attacks on Western troops, a major escalation of force against the U.S.

There were times when the bounties were in fact paid, according to the paper, although it did not identify specific U.S. troops stationed in Afghanistan were killed as a result of the Russian bounty payments.

According to the paper, the money went to Islamist militants.

President Donald Trump delivers remarks to U.S. troops, with Afghanistan President Ashraf Ghani standing behind him, during an unannounced visit to Bagram Air Base, Afghanistan, November 28, 2019. A Russian military unit paid Taliban fighters bounties to kill American forces, according to the New York Times

In recent years, the unit has been linked to assassination attempts or revenge plots aimed at destabilizing the West.

Yet it would be the first time that it was known to have initiated attacks on Western troops, a major escalation of force against the U.S.

There were times when the bounties were in fact paid, according to the paper, although it did not identify specific U.S. troops stationed in Afghanistan were killed as a result of the Russian bounty payments.

According to the paper, the money went to Islamist militants.

But officials said the White House has taken no response to date and no explanation for the delay was given.

The bounties allegedly came as peace talks to end the long-running war in Afghanistan were ongoing and information was kept a closely guarded secret until the administration began expanding briefings this week.

They also shared intelligence with the British government whose troops are said to be among those targeted.

The news hit the Trump Administration as it was already grappling with the coronavirus pandemic and as Trump hoped that a peace deal with the Taliban would end the Afghanistan War in the last few months of his re-election campaign.

Russia fiercely denied the allegations on Friday night, accusing the New York Times of fake news and claiming that the story had placed the lives of employees of the Russian embassies in the United States and the United Kingdom at risk.

'In the absence of reasons to #BlameRussians, @nytimes is there to invent stories,' the Russian embassy in Washington D.C.. tweeted Friday night, adding that journalists 'obviously lack information on cooperation between Russia and U.S. on the Afghan peace process, on Syrian, North Korean, Venezuelan, Iranian agendas'.

With the tweet, the embassy shared images of previous tweets and stories they said backed up the co-operation.

'Baseless and anonymous accusations of Moscow as mastermind behind killing of U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan have already led to direct threats to the life of employees of the Russian Embassies in Washington D.C. and London,' they added in a second tweet.

'Stop producing #fakenews that provoke life threats,' it continued, tagging the New York Times.



'We demand the relevant U.S. authorities take effective measures to ensure the fulfillment of their international obligations under the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations of 1961.'

Earlier Friday, the New York Times had reported that The Kremlin was not yet aware of the accusations.

'If someone makes them, we’ll respond,' said Dmitry Peskov, the press secretary for President Vladimir V. Putin of But officials said the White House has taken no response to date and no explanation for the delay was given.

The bounties allegedly came as peace talks to end the long-running war in Afghanistan were ongoing and information was kept a closely guarded secret until the administration began expanding briefings this week.

They also shared intelligence with the British government whose troops are said to be among those targeted.

The news hit the Trump Administration as it was already grappling with the coronavirus pandemic and as Trump hoped that a peace deal with the Taliban would end the Afghanistan War in the last few months of his re-election campaign.

Russia fiercely denied the allegations on Friday night, accusing the New York Times of fake news and claiming that the story had placed the lives of employees of the Russian embassies in the United States and the United Kingdom at risk.

'In the absence of reasons to #BlameRussians, @nytimes is there to invent stories,' the Russian embassy in Washington D.C.. tweeted Friday night, adding that journalists 'obviously lack information on cooperation between Russia and U.S. on the Afghan peace process, on Syrian, North Korean, Venezuelan, Iranian agendas'.

With the tweet, the embassy shared images of previous tweets and stories they said backed up the co-operation.

'Baseless and anonymous accusations of Moscow as mastermind behind killing of U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan have already led to direct threats to the life of employees of the Russian Embassies in Washington D.C. and London,' they added in a second tweet.

'Stop producing #fakenews that provoke life threats,' it continued, tagging the New York Times.

'We demand the relevant U.S. authorities take effective measures to ensure the fulfillment of their international obligations under the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations of 1961.'

Earlier Friday, the New York Times had reported that The Kremlin was not yet aware of the accusations.

'If someone makes them, we’ll respond,' said Dmitry Peskov, the press secretary for President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia.

Exact details of the Russian operation have not been shared but the New York Times states that information came, in part, from interrogations of captured Afghan militants and criminals.

Russia has previously been accused by American officials of providing arms to the Taliban in destabilizing attempts.

A February agreement between the U.S. and the Taliban, however, had led to a peaceful period in recent months after four American troops were killed in combat early this year.

It is not known how high-ranking those involved may be in the Russian government or the reason why the operation would begin now.

Some that it is an attempt to disrupt peace talks while others claim it may be a revenge plot over the deaths of numerous Russian mercenaries in a battle in Syria in 2018.

The G.R.U. unit, otherwise known as Unit 29155, believed to behind the operation is notoriously violent.

Officials believe the group has been operating for a decade and is responsible for attacks including the nerve agent poisoning of ex-spy Sergei Skripal in the United Kingdom.

The former Russian spy and his daughter, Yulia, were poisoned with potentially deadly novichok in March 2018.

Putin is also believed to have sent Unit 29155 to stage a coup in Montenegro, which failed, according to intelligence sources who also blame the unit for a campaign to destabilise Moldova and the poisoning of Bulgarian arms dealer Emilian Gebrev in 2015.

A key factor in Unit 29155's operations is that they are often apparently sloppy, with their methods easily noticed by law enforcement in the countries they target.

But spy sources said it was unclear whether that was due to poor planning or a deliberately cavalier attitude, intending for their attacks to become public as a warning to potential targets.

It is comprised of veterans from wars with Afghanistan, Chechnya and Ukraine and the outfit appears to function as a tight-knit community.

Two G.R.U cyberunits are also believed to have hacked into Democratic Party servers and then used WikiLeaks to publish embarrassing internal communications, interfering in the 2016 U.S. presidential election,

Trump received substantial criticism during the 2016 campaign for his repeated calls to improve relations with Moscow. Then after he took office, he came under fire for his closed-door meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin with only translators present, and for publicly accepting Putin's denial of interference in the elections.

Former Trump national security advisor Micahel Flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his Russia contacts after urging the Russian ambassador not to retaliate against U.S. sanctions imposed during the Obama administration for election interference.

Flynn then sought to reverse his guilty plea.

The revelation follows serious allegations in a new book by former National Security Advisor John Bolton, who claims Trump asked Chinese President Xi Jinping to help his reelection by buying U.S. farm products.

Trump weathered a House Democratic impeachment effort after the release of his call to the president of Ukraine urging investigations of rival Joe Biden and his son, Hunter. Trump said the call was 'perfect' and was acquitted of impeachment articles on abuse of power and obstruction of Congress.

The CIA, the NSA, and the Pentagon all declined comment to the paper.

In February the U.S. inked a deal with the Taliban that would bring about an end to the war, the longest in U.S. history, while slowing drawing down U.S. forces.

'I really believe the Taliban wants to do something to show that we’re not all wasting time,' Trump said after the U.S. and the Taliban reached the agreement in Doha. He said he would be meeting with Taliban leaders and added: 'They will be killing terrorists. They will be killing some very bad people. They will keep that fight going.'

Russia has longstanding ties to Afghanistan, having been ousted by Mujahadeen forces who got American backing in the 1980s after Russia's 1979 invasion.

Last fall, Trump called off secret meetings with the Taliban planned for Camp David during one phase of peace talks after a car bomb attack in Kabul. The talks eventually resumed.

Taliban officials held talks in Moscow in September following the collapse of U.S.-Taliban balks. Russia publicly stressed dialogue at the time, Al Jazeera reported at the time, quoting Russia's TASS news agency.

Liam-
27-06-2020, 07:41 PM
Put him on trial for treason ASAP

The Slim Reaper
27-06-2020, 08:08 PM
He'll defend confederate statues, but not his own troops.

Crimson Dynamo
27-06-2020, 08:10 PM
Can't the thread be more succinct,?

The Slim Reaper
27-06-2020, 08:11 PM
Can't the thread be more succinct,?

Yeah, just remove the unnecessary comma before the question mark. :smug:

Tom4784
27-06-2020, 08:17 PM
Trump fans be like:

https://media1.tenor.com/images/0becb4503083cdf19f3e55b1ca72e412/tenor.gif?itemid=7838486

Can't the thread be more succinct,?

'There's too many damaging claims, please add a TLDR for me to ignore' is your weirdest defense of Trump yet.

Amy Jade
27-06-2020, 10:09 PM
This is horrific, how can anyone of sane mind defend him any longer?

Liam-
27-06-2020, 10:16 PM
This is horrific, how can anyone of sane mind defend him any longer?

You’ve answered your own question

Crimson Dynamo
27-06-2020, 10:20 PM
This is horrific, how can anyone of sane mind defend him any longer?

It's another country, nothing to do with you. Make changes to your life.

Live well

Amy Jade
27-06-2020, 11:42 PM
It's another country, nothing to do with you. Make changes to your life.

Live well

I'll sleep better when that big orange bloated turd is gone in November, thank you.

arista
28-06-2020, 01:52 AM
The USA - Russia Conflicts are on going.
The CIA are able to return the threat, covertly.

arista
28-06-2020, 02:17 AM
Slim hits the Front Page

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/95DA/production/_113126383_guardian.jpg

but this time its UK Troops


Evil Putin
needs to stop this.


You Could Edit your Title
US/UK

Ammi
28-06-2020, 05:05 AM
...it makes you wonder what will be discovered historically when he’s no longer President...shudder...

Ammi
28-06-2020, 05:07 AM
Slim hits the Front Page

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/95DA/production/_113126383_guardian.jpg

but this time its UK Troops


Evil Putin
needs to stop this.


You Could Edit your Title
US/UK


...of course, Slim’s the guy on the street and his ear to the action, while the newspapers are just setting up their print...

arista
28-06-2020, 05:24 AM
...of course, Slim’s the guy on the street and his ear to the action, while the newspapers are just setting up their print...


I just Hope he edits the title
and puts US/UK

Ammi
28-06-2020, 05:31 AM
...oh he’ll be on it, I have no doubt about that...the U.K. will be inserted as his very first Sunday chore...

https://media.giphy.com/media/sTFLtPogLLO5a/giphy.gif

thesheriff443
28-06-2020, 05:57 AM
The whole world knows how corrupt Russia is.

Blatantly sending it’s military assassin’s to the uk to kill using poison so deadly it could and did kill anyone that came in contact with it.

But let’s not make it about Russia, let’s make it about trump.

Those that defend people regardless of the facts are the same as the people that attack people regardless of the facts.

The Slim Reaper
28-06-2020, 12:57 PM
Updated the title now that we know UK troops are also targeted. Boris can't upset his donors, especially when he still refuses to release the russia report from before the election.

Tom4784
28-06-2020, 02:39 PM
It's another country, nothing to do with you. Make changes to your life.

Live well

What's your views now that it's been revealed that Trump was fine with the assassination of our troops? It concerns us now. I want to see how you spin this.

bots
28-06-2020, 03:17 PM
British Security have confirmed that the story is true and that Trump knew about it months ago

MTVN
28-06-2020, 05:28 PM
That Observer story says the UK only received intelligence last week so a bit premature to accuse us of ignoring it. I'm pretty sceptical of the whole story mind you and it seems to be based only on one anonymous source so far

Crimson Dynamo
28-06-2020, 07:26 PM
The failing observer are on their uppers and can only troll their dwindling readership as a last gasp attempt to survive

It's sad as it once was a good read

Liam-
28-06-2020, 07:32 PM
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Tom4784
29-06-2020, 02:32 AM
If you're still supporting Boris, Trump, republicans or Tories after this has come to light then you can never pretend to care about the troops ever again because you obviously don't care if you value Trump and Boris' careers over soldiers' lives.

Mystic Mock
29-06-2020, 04:44 AM
He'll defend confederate statues, but not his own troops.

That's Trump for you.

thesheriff443
29-06-2020, 05:51 AM
If you're still supporting Boris, Trump, republicans or Tories after this has come to life then you can never pretend to care about the troops ever again because you obviously don't care if you value Trump and Boris' careers over soldiers' lives.

This country sells weapons around the world so they can be used to kill soldiers and civilians.

The only thing that would stop putin is a bullet in his head, he don’t give a flying xxxx for anyone.

GiRTh
29-06-2020, 12:03 PM
1277314186515800067Trump claims he wasnt briefed. Seems unlikely that they briefed the Brits but not the POTUS :think:

The Slim Reaper
29-06-2020, 12:18 PM
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GiRTh
29-06-2020, 12:21 PM
Sounds serious.

Congress can obtain the Presidents daily briefs so they can prove he knew.

Tom4784
29-06-2020, 01:09 PM
This country sells weapons around the world so they can be used to kill soldiers and civilians.

The only thing that would stop putin is a bullet in his head, he don’t give a flying xxxx for anyone.

That doesn't have any relevance to what I'm saying.

With this coming to light, with both Boris and Trump knowing of a threat to our troops yet choosing to do nothing, anyone who still supports them is paying pure lip service to the forces. These people can't cheer them on to make themselves look good and then support the people in charge who knew they had hits put out on them and did nothing.

Boris and Trump or the troops, people have to pick one or the other but not both.

The Slim Reaper
29-06-2020, 01:44 PM
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GiRTh
29-06-2020, 05:16 PM
kiDkTOKI7Ro

thesheriff443
30-06-2020, 01:45 AM
That doesn't have any relevance to what I'm saying.

With this coming to light, with both Boris and Trump knowing of a threat to our troops yet choosing to do nothing, anyone who still supports them is paying pure lip service to the forces. These people can't cheer them on to make themselves look good and then support the people in charge who knew they had hits put out on them and did nothing.

Boris and Trump or the troops, people have to pick one or the other but not both.

There is nothing they can do to protect American and uk soldiers.

Putin has shown many times he does not respect America and the uk

What do you think trump and boris can do to protect soldier, keep them at home.

You won’t stop people supporting who they choose by saying these people are not protecting our soldiers when they can’t protect them.

Tom4784
30-06-2020, 01:56 AM
There is nothing they can do to protect American and uk soldiers.

Putin has shown many times he does not respect America and the uk

What do you think trump and boris can do to protect soldier, keep them at home.

You won’t stop people supporting who they choose by saying these people are not protecting our soldiers when they can’t protect them.

You're missing the point, both Boris and Trump are content to do nothing. They aren't trying and failing to protect troops, they're letting Putin do what he will without reproach. It's ****ing traitorous behaviour.

You're more concerned with defending Boris and Trump's honour over the soldiers' lives because you consider harm towards them to be an inevitability. You can't pretend to care about soldiers when your priorities are primarily with Boris and Trump.

This is the kind of news in which you draw a line and decide what side of it you're on. You support the troops or you support the buffoons in charge that are ignoring threats to them.

arista
30-06-2020, 02:00 AM
The German USA troops
are moving to Poland
who are willing to pay the proper rates
for Armed protection.

A Good Move by President Trump.

Tom4784
30-06-2020, 02:03 AM
The German USA troops
are moving to Poland
who are willing to pay the proper rates
for Armed protection.

A Good Move by President Trump.

A good move from Trump would be to have dealt with this threat when it was known months ago. Anything he does now is motivated by pure damage control. I hope he gets charged with treason when he leaves the white house in shame.

arista
30-06-2020, 02:04 AM
A good move from Trump would be to have dealt with this threat when it was known months ago. Anything he does now is motivated by pure damage control. I hope he gets charged with treason when he leaves the white house in shame.


Is the election getting halted, though?

thesheriff443
30-06-2020, 06:29 AM
You're missing the point, both Boris and Trump are content to do nothing. They aren't trying and failing to protect troops, they're letting Putin do what he will without reproach. It's ****ing traitorous behaviour.

You're more concerned with defending Boris and Trump's honour over the soldiers' lives because you consider harm towards them to be an inevitability. You can't pretend to care about soldiers when your priorities are primarily with Boris and Trump.

This is the kind of news in which you draw a line and decide what side of it you're on. You support the troops or you support the buffoons in charge that are ignoring threats to them.

You are going down the route that I’m in trumps or boris’s friends group or that I think they are without fault, they are not.

But there is nothing they can do to stop putin, he is too big and too powerful and kills or throws in prison those that stand against him

Can you get be me an example of how they can stop soldiers getting killed with regards to putin’s order.

Uk government has a disgusting way of treating soldiers who risked their for this country, and that is something they should be held accountable for.

Beso
30-06-2020, 06:43 AM
Best thing to do is try and avoid world war 3.

Kazanne
30-06-2020, 08:02 AM
I doubt very much they have ignored it ,sometimes the best way to deal with bullies IS to to ignore them and in this case Putin will not be getting the rise he wants, but I would bet behind the scenes things are in place, not everything is so black and white ,of course the media will lead you to a place they feel fit.

Livia
30-06-2020, 08:58 AM
The Slim Reaper quoting from the Daily Mail. I've seen everything now.

GiRTh
30-06-2020, 11:04 AM
Pelosi just said, no one told Trump cuz he'd have told Putin. :laugh:

I think this story's not going to go away.

The Slim Reaper
30-06-2020, 11:07 AM
The Slim Reaper quoting from the Daily Mail. I've seen everything now.

Actually Liv, because of your past, I would be interested in getting your take on this story.

Kizzy
30-06-2020, 11:21 AM
So.. full circle back to the 80s then?
Tory with bad hair brown nosing right wing American president...Check
Recession...Check
3 million unemployed....Check
Cold war....Check

Tom4784
30-06-2020, 02:34 PM
You are going down the route that I’m in trumps or boris’s friends group or that I think they are without fault, they are not.

But there is nothing they can do to stop putin, he is too big and too powerful and kills or throws in prison those that stand against him

Can you get be me an example of how they can stop soldiers getting killed with regards to putin’s order.

Uk government has a disgusting way of treating soldiers who risked their for this country, and that is something they should be held accountable for.

So you think both the US and the UK should cower in fear in Putin and allow him, without reproach, to target our troops with bounties?

Both leaders should have acknowledged it and take a stand against it, expose and condemn it. There's plenty both could have done and they chose to ignore it. It's unforgivable and it's gross that people who have basically used the military as a political prop in order to grandstand about how caring and good they are, are now trying to act like the story has to be wrong, or that this is for the best to avoid World War 3 or whatever the excuses are.

People pretend to care about the military when they think it earns them brownie points but when it comes down to supporting Boris/Trump or supporting the troops, those people will choose the former every time.

thesheriff443
01-07-2020, 03:38 AM
So you think both the US and the UK should cower in fear in Putin and allow him, without reproach, to target our troops with bounties?

Both leaders should have acknowledged it and take a stand against it, expose and condemn it. There's plenty both could have done and they chose to ignore it. It's unforgivable and it's gross that people who have basically used the military as a political prop in order to grandstand about how caring and good they are, are now trying to act like the story has to be wrong, or that this is for the best to avoid World War 3 or whatever the excuses are.

People pretend to care about the military when they think it earns them brownie points but when it comes down to supporting Boris/Trump or supporting the troops, those people will choose the former every time.

This government sent soldiers to war zones without the proper protection, governments send soldiers to their deaths for political reasons and not for the safety of this country.

You could turn around and rightfully blame any leadership who sent soldiers to deaths needlessly.

Your anger is towards trump and boris and more so to those that support them.

For all our disagreements I will admit you do argue your point well but on this subject it’s more about calling out trump and boris’s supporters.

We don’t cower from Russia but it is run by a man that is ready to kill anyone that stands in his way.

Tom4784
01-07-2020, 02:36 PM
This government sent soldiers to war zones without the proper protection, governments send soldiers to their deaths for political reasons and not for the safety of this country.

You could turn around and rightfully blame any leadership who sent soldiers to deaths needlessly.

Your anger is towards trump and boris and more so to those that support them.

For all our disagreements I will admit you do argue your point well but on this subject it’s more about calling out trump and boris’s supporters.

We don’t cower from Russia but it is run by a man that is ready to kill anyone that stands in his way.

Of course it's about calling them out. These are people who claim to love and respect our forces yet they are silent when a threat to them is ignored by the people who should be doing something. It's treasonous behaviour by Trump and Boris and people are ignoring it because they support them. The hypocrisy is too much.

There's a difference between sending your troops out on missions and ignoring an active threat to them. You're comparing apples and oranges to downplay this and it cannot be downplayed.

Putin is only as strong as he is because our leadership is weak and Trump is a puppet. We as a nation should be demanding action but people are content to ignore this since they don't want to blame Boris for ****ing up and ignoring a massive threat.

thesheriff443
01-07-2020, 02:55 PM
Of course it's about calling them out. These are people who claim to love and respect our forces yet they are silent when a threat to them is ignored by the people who should be doing something. It's treasonous behaviour by Trump and Boris and people are ignoring it because they support them. The hypocrisy is too much.

There's a difference between sending your troops out on missions and ignoring an active threat to them. You're comparing apples and oranges to downplay this and it cannot be downplayed.

Putin is only as strong as he is because our leadership is weak and Trump is a puppet. We as a nation should be demanding action but people are content to ignore this since they don't want to blame Boris for ****ing up and ignoring a massive threat.

Putin is untouchable, not because of being weak, uk and America know there is nothing they can do to him.

You know there is nothing they can do on the political front and military action is out of the question .

They can only put a plan in place regarding our soldiers to try and minimise the risk.

bots
01-07-2020, 03:31 PM
The taliban don't need a payment to kill a foreign soldier, they do it without thinking. Troops always expect anything so protect themselves accordingly, Paying someone a few bucks isn't going to change that.

The issue is that Trump conveniently chose not to be briefed on the matter