Football Re-thinks Extreme Left BLM endorsement

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sky Sports pundits Jamie Redknapp and Patrice Evra DITCH badges for Black
Lives Matter as football captains consider making public statement over links to
organisation and Premier League distances themselves following group's extreme
statements


Since the league resumed, guests appearing on Sky Sports have worn
badges with the campaign phrase after all 20 clubs agreed to emblazon 'Black
Lives Matter' on their shirts for the first round of games

Players have also 'taken the knee' before matches, a symbol adopted by
US athletes to protest alleged police brutality and racism and which has been
used by BLM protesters across the world since George Floyd

But concerns have been raised after a series of tweets by the UK
branch of Black Lives Matter which criticised Israel and called on the British
government to 'defund the police' Sir Keir said this was wrong

Yesterday studio guests Patrice Evra and Jamie Redknapp and
commentator Gary Neville all failed to wear a BLM lapel badge

The Premier League said it recognised 'the importance of the message
that black lives matter' but made clear that it 'does not endorse any
political

organisation or movement, nor support any group that calls for violence or

condones illegal activity'

Sportsmail can reveal that the issue has been discussed by several
players, with a group of top-flight captains considering whether to make a
public statement on the matter. Laurence Fox has been shaming players on
Twitter



On Tuesday, the Premier League said it recognised 'the importance of the
message that black lives matter' but made clear that it 'does not endorse any political organisation or movement, nor support any group that calls for

violence or condones illegal activity.'

And Sportsmail can reveal that the issue has been discussed by several
players, with a group of top-flight captains considering whether to make a
public statement on the matter.

While the players remain united in campaigning for equality and committed to

maintaining such symbolic gestures for the remainder of the season, some are

concerned about being associated with the political activism of Black Lives

Matter UK.


On Sunday, Black Lives Matter UK issued a barrage of tweets over Israel's
proposed annexation of the West Bank and claimed that 'mainstream British
politics is gagged of the right to critique Zionism.'


The following day Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer, who has 'taken the knee'
alongside parliamentary colleagues, called it a 'shame' that the sentiment
behind the Black Lives Matter protests was getting 'tangled up with these
organisational issues' and said calls to defund the police were 'nonsense.'


Black Lives Matter UK responded by tweeting that 'as a public prosecutor, Sir
Keir Starmer was a cop in an expensive suit.'


Top PUndit Matt Mr Le Tissier, 51, criticised the group's 'far-left ideology' and
said he 'could not support' the cause's anti-police and anti-capitalist aims.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8475969/Premier-League-distances-Black-Lives-Matter-saying-does-not-endorse-group.html

[Cherie]

I said this last night to Mr C that they have ditched the logo on the back of the shirts already...though Sky still had it next to the score

What a great night for United :amazed:

felt old school :flutter:

[MB.]

Saying that you support Black Lives Matter but don't support its politics is a completely empty and ultimately performative statement, just like Keir Starmer taking the knee and then calling defunding the police "nonsense" (therefore showing he lacks a basic understanding of the objectives of the Black Lives Matter movement and the reasons behind them), or the establishment Democrats in the U.S. signing laws to increase police funding while wearing kente cloth

The murder of Black people by the police is political, and as such Black lives are political, so those who "support the movement but disagree with the politics" should just say they don't actually think Black lives matter and move on

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think they need to say no one said they did not and leave this far left group to ultimately combust and eat itself as the money rolls in...

[user104658]

those who "support the movement but disagree with the politics" should just say they don't actually think Black lives matter and move on

There's literally no logic in this and a "political movement" that has groupthink as a requirement and no room for debate is unsupportable and dangerous. Defunding the police in the UK is a ridiculous goal that has been copy-and-pasted from the US movement where it makes sense, and suggesting that anyone who doesn't support defunding the police in the UK "doesn't think that black lives matter" isn't just ludicrous, it's actively self-damaging to the cause.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I saw graffiti on Sunday (have a pic of it on my phone)

that said


"F _uck the Masons - Black Lives Matter"

with, a stencilled masonic set square and compass (yes stencilled)

You literally could not make it up

[arista]

Yes that Presenter is right to not have BLM hat on.
Its Political Madness

[Nicky91]

I saw graffiti on Sunday (have a pic of it on my phone)

that said


"F _uck the Masons - Black Lives Matter"

with, a stencilled masonic set square and compass (yes stencilled)

You literally could not make it up

:suspect: show us the evidence then?

[Crimson Dynamo]

:suspect: show us the evidence then?

nicky you dont know what a mason is

[MB.]

a "political movement" that has groupthink as a requirement and no room for debate is unsupportable and dangerous.

Calling opposition to the continued overfunding of the primary source of murdered Black people in the U.S. "dangerous groupthink" tells me all I need to know

[Liam-]

I don’t think our police should be defunded seeing as the Tories have been doing that drastically over the past 10 years, the government however should be pressured into investing the money they took from the police into the needed areas

[Liam-]

But having said that, just cause racist right wing people don’t like something, doesn’t make it extreme left wing

[Crimson Dynamo]

But having said that, just cause racist right wing people don’t like something, doesn’t make it extreme left wing

Matt Le Tiss isnt a racist

he is a Southampton Legend


:nono:

[Smithy]

But having said that, just cause racist right wing people don’t like something, doesn’t make it extreme left wing

Extreme Left: Stop killing black people
Extreme Right: Terrorism

I know which side I’d rather be on

[Cherie]

I think most people can get behind this statement ..yes/no?

On Tuesday, the Premier League said it recognised 'the importance of the
message that black lives matter' but made clear that it 'does not endorse any political organisation or movement, nor support any group that calls for
violence or condones illegal activity.'

[Nicky91]

I think most people can get behind this statement ..yes/no?

On Tuesday, the Premier League said it recognised 'the importance of the
message that black lives matter' but made clear that it 'does not endorse any political organisation or movement, nor support any group that calls for
violence or condones illegal activity.'

Football in general has a ''Say No to Racism'' policy for years


BLM movement = being against racism

[Oliver_W]

Extreme Left: Stop killing black people
Extreme Right: Terrorism

I know which side I’d rather be on

If the message really was just "stop killing black people" you'd be right, but when it devolves to violence in the streets and defacing memorials (I'm sure there's a word for when people use violence and intimidation for political or ideological gains?) and ridiculous calls to defund the police in the UK, one can't blame people for not wanting to associate with them.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Extreme Left: Stop killing black people
Extreme Right: Terrorism

I know which side I’d rather be on

to try and say that only an extremist group supports not killing people is the type of thing only an extremist would say

[Crimson Dynamo]

If the message really was just "stop killing black people" you'd be right, but when it devolves to violence in the streets and defacing memorials (I'm sure there's a word for when people use violence and intimidation for political or ideological gains?) and ridiculous calls to defund the police in the UK, one can't blame people for not wanting to associate with them.

also does anyone know who they actually are and what they do with the money they get?

for the Premier league/sky to endorse them is mindblowing

[Liam-]

It’s a good thing BLM isn’t an organisation then isn’t it

[Crimson Dynamo]

It’s a good thing BLM isn’t an organisation then isn’t it

er


wikipedia disagrees

[Crimson Dynamo]

as does their website

Black Lives Matter Foundation, Inc is a global organization in the US, UK, and Canada

[Crimson Dynamo]

they also have a shop where they sell merch

i wonder where they get their t-shirts from?

[user104658]

Calling opposition to the continued overfunding of the primary source of murdered Black people in the U.S. "dangerous groupthink" tells me all I need to know

Defunding the police in the UK is a ridiculous goal that has been copy-and-pasted from the US movement where it makes sense, and suggesting that anyone who doesn't support defunding the police in the UK "doesn't think that black lives matter" isn't just ludicrous, it's actively self-damaging to the cause.

Advocating for de-funding the over-equipped, militarised US police forces is an admirable cause.

Trying to franchise that sentiment and apply it, without any critical thought, to the UK where the issues clearly exist but in a very different way, and where the police being under-funded is actually part of the problem, because "the movement says so" is dangerous group-think, yes. I acknowledge that ethnic minorities are horribly mistreated, I believe that black lives matter and will wholeheartedly support any intelligent effort to establish and maintain true equality.

I won't support ill-considered hive mind and group ideologies over independent critical thought. It doesn't help, and when it escalates it's actively damaging. Group organisation and protest is a great thing - when it's properly directed. Defund the police is well thought out and properly organised in the US. The same thing in the UK has no considered ideology behind it beyond "that's what they're doing over there, so..."

Supporting something as default without any scope for critical analysis is just dogma. Dogma isn't going to convince anyone to change anything.

[Oliver_W]

It’s a good thing BLM isn’t an organisation then isn’t it

Neither is "The Far Right" or "Islamic terrorists" but people are happy to talk about what they want.

[Denver]

Only people who dont believe in black lives matter are the ones against the cause

[Oliver_W]

Only people who dont believe in black lives matter are the ones against the cause

Not really. You can think that black lives matter without supporting the actions of a movement with (that aside) extremist views.

[Tom4784]

Quite typical of the right wing to consider equality an extreme ideal. They obviously think black people are not worthy of equal treatment.

[Tom4784]

Extreme Left: Stop killing black people
Extreme Right: Terrorism

I know which side I’d rather be on

Pretty much, the Right Wing are silent as the ****ing grave when you have right wing terrorism killing people but black people opposing being lynched by police officers is 'extreme'

The Right Wing complains about wearing masks but they'll wear their KKK hoods proudly.

[Mystic Mock]

Extremists/racists in certain cases were always gonna try and hijack the BLM cause, they are the minority though I personally feel.

I also don't get how the people running the Premier League can say that they can't openly support any Political Organizations or movements when they've been doing exactly that with BLM over the last couple of weeks?:laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I also don't get how the people running the Premier League can say that they can't openly support any Political Organizations or movements when they've been doing exactly that with BLM over the last couple of weeks?:laugh:

It's a mystery Mock.

[Cherie]

Is anyone at all going to veer off and confirm what a great game United had :oh: don't be jelly now

[Mystic Mock]

Is anyone at all going to veer off and confirm what a great game United had :oh: don't be jelly now

Yeah they played really well.

[Cherie]

Yeah they played really well.

Thank you Mocky

[Nicky91]

tbh some former international football players here too

Ruud Gullit (whom is a person of colour) he had said: it should not be just black lives matter, but all lives matter (he said this in one of our football talk shows)

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/ruud-gullit-sky-sports-racism-boris-johnson-black-lives-matter-a9558276.html

but he also said this, called out to get rid of all racism in the UK

[Cherie]

tbh some former international football players here too

Ruud Gullit (whom is a person of colour) he had said: it should not be just black lives matter, but all lives matter (he said this in one of our football talk shows)

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/ruud-gullit-sky-sports-racism-boris-johnson-black-lives-matter-a9558276.html

but he also said this, called out to get rid of all racism in the UK

Where does he live?

[Marsh.]

I think they need to say no one said they did not

Nobody probably said it, but actions speak louder than words and, evidently, black lives clearly mean less to those in power than any other life.

[Nicky91]

Where does he live?

has 1 home in UK, 1 home in Netherlands

[Crimson Dynamo]

Is anyone at all going to veer off and confirm what a great game United had :oh: don't be jelly now

I note Prince Harry did not mention United in his toe-curling bandwagon race statement today

He really must hate United and Mancs

What a privilege pig he is

No doubt Meghan supports Leeds


:idc:

[Cherie]

has 1 home in UK, 1 home in Netherlands

I find it hard to believe he never encounters racism in the Netherlands? seems a bit odd just to say one country in Europe needs to stamp it out :shrug:

[Nicky91]

I find it hard to believe he never encounters racism in the Netherlands? seems a bit odd just to say one country in Europe needs to stamp it out :shrug:

here you don't have much racism, just those idiotic morons in politics Wilders and Baudet

[bots]

not wishing to shine a light but Germany, Italy, Poland, Austria and Hungary all have significant racial issues. I'm sure I could name more if I thought about it for more than 10 seconds

[Nicky91]

not wishing to shine a light but Germany, Italy, Poland, Austria and Hungary all have significant racial issues. I'm sure I could name more if I thought about it for more than 10 seconds

Germany has grown a lot in the correct direction, being against racism, and taking down most fascism/far right groups too

[Cherie]

here you don't have much racism, just those idiotic morons in politics Wilders and Baudet

Didn't the Far Right gain some seats in Elections last year :suspect:

[Cherie]

not wishing to shine a light but Germany, Italy, Poland, Austria and Hungary all have significant racial issues. I'm sure I could name more if I thought about it for more than 10 seconds

Spain springs to mind :whistle:

[Nicky91]

Didn't the Far Right gain some seats in Elections last year :suspect:

PVV lost seats

FvD gained seats yes, but one party member opened up about what a mess the party is and it collapsed kinda, now Baudet is mostly rebuilding but damage has been done already, that one member got kicked out and now has got a party of his own

[Nicky91]

Hungary's government not only racist, but also homophobic, sexist


let's not forget the dictatorship within Turkey either, with vile pig Erdogan :idc:

[Nicky91]

Poland can move into good direction if Trzakowski wins second round of elections, which there is a bit more of a chance too since those who had voted for other parties than him or duda in first round are expected to vote for him now

[The Judge.]

Black lives... black lives also... matter..

[Swan]

I agree with the movement itself, especially in the US, however i don't agree with the vandalism, looting and rioting. Im not surprised companies, governing bodies and certain organisations are back-peddling a bit now.

[Tom4784]

'I agree with the movement but the property damage is a deal breaker for me!'

[Swan]

'I agree with the movement but the property damage is a deal breaker for me!'

i don't agree with the vandalism, looting and rioting

Yeah i don't see what smashing up shops, stealing beats by dre headphones and nike trainers achieves. Do you then Dezzy? How do those things help the cause?

[Oliver_W]

"The only way you can think black people shouldn't be murdered is if you agree with violence, vandalism, and property destruction"

[Tom4784]

The point is that you're allowing a minority to give yourself an excuse to stop supporting the cause which makes your support in the first place hollow and fake.

Oliver, in particular, the birth of LGBT rights in the modern age began with a riot. If you were around back then, would you have denied the people who fought for your rights because a few insured buildings suffered property damage?

You both are prioritising brick and mortar above lives.