The total number of deaths in england and wales

[Beso]

According to the office for national statistics the total number of deaths in england and Wales has fallen below the five year average for the 2nd week in a row.

Borises lockdown rules did that.

[Cherie]

very good news, its not the first time it dipped under either, it was the same at the beginning of June

[Liam-]

Boris takes no credit for what Wales has done tyvm

[joeysteele]

There's still people who have died from this virus who shouldn't have and left thousands of grieving relatives.
They still are daily too.

Dress deaths up all you like.

These who died of this virus, as this PM who astoundedly still gets applauded despite the number of the rising deaths of this virus.
He himself stated long before the rising deaths got to unnecessary levels.
He stated, he had to tell people they were going to lose many more loved ones before their time.

The words before their time very important.
Trying to belittle the losses of lives to this virus via statistics is insulting frankly.
To those who have lost loved ones cruelly to it.

Unbelievable.

There's no such thing as good news on unnecessary deaths,none in my view.

[DouglasS]

According to the office for national statistics the total number of deaths in england and Wales has fallen below the five year average for the 2nd week in a row.

Borises lockdown rules did that.

:clap1:

That is so good. Hopefully there will be no spike and we can all go back to normality as soon as possible. Although I did go on a pub crawl on Saturday so I’m feeling like normality is almost back!

[Nicky91]

There's still people who have died from this virus who shouldn't have and left thousands of grieving relatives.
They still are daily too.

Dress deaths up all you like.

These who died of this virus, as this PM who astoundedly still gets applauded despite the number of the rising deaths of this virus.
He himself stated long before the rising deaths got to unnecessary levels.
He stated, he had to tell people they were going to lose many more loved ones before their time.

The words before their time very important.
Trying to belittle the losses of lives to this virus via statistics is insulting frankly.
To those who have lost loved ones cruelly to it.

Unbelievable.

There's no such thing as good news on unnecessary deaths,none in my view.

exactly, also UK has highest amount of deaths in europe, and only behind on USA, Brazil who got higher population too

[Nicky91]

:clap1:

That is so good. Hopefully there will be no spike and we can all go back to normality as soon as possible. Although I did go on a pub crawl on Saturday so I’m feeling like normality is almost back!

No?

even here in Netherlands, ''normality isn't back'' despite easing down of lockdown measures, experts are still daily being at talk shows spreading awareness to the public to still be very careful

[MTVN]

Very good news, it took a long time but this shows the virus is well under control now

The bigger threat to life in this country is now going to be other factors like the backlog in cancer cases

[The Slim Reaper]

65k excess deaths. We knew it was coming here but Boris was busy enjoying a holiday. Expert says locking down 1 week earlier would have halved that figure.

TIBB: :clap1:

[bots]

not wishing to throw a damper into the mix but if many of the elderly and vulnerable died as a result of covid then there are less of them available to die in normal times, so you would expect the rate to drop well below the average

[The Slim Reaper]

not wishing to throw a damper into the mix but if many of the elderly and vulnerable died as a result of covid then there are less of them available to die in normal times, so you would expect the rate to drop well below the average

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[Nicky91]

Very good news, it took a long time but this shows the virus is well under control now

The bigger threat to life in this country is now going to be other factors like the backlog in cancer cases

not when scientists, experts still discover new things on this virus every day


people like Dr Fauci, Ab Osterhaus, the WHO are very much correct that people underestimate this virus which shouldn't be since this virus is a huge threat to us all, they are the real heroes here who spend all time they got on trying to know everything they can find on Covid-19


cancer cases? yes that is unfortunate that they could not get treatments these times but dealing with a virus pandemic is more important

[Beso]

There's still people who have died from this virus who shouldn't have and left thousands of grieving relatives.
They still are daily too.

Dress deaths up all you like.

These who died of this virus, as this PM who astoundedly still gets applauded despite the number of the rising deaths of this virus.
He himself stated long before the rising deaths got to unnecessary levels.
He stated, he had to tell people they were going to lose many more loved ones before their time.

The words before their time very important.
Trying to belittle the losses of lives to this virus via statistics is insulting frankly.
To those who have lost loved ones cruelly to it.

Unbelievable.

There's no such thing as good news on unnecessary deaths,none in my view.



But good news, like this thread about less and less unnecessary deaths all over the country for 2 weeks running, is.

[MTVN]

not when scientists, experts still discover new things on this virus every day


people like Dr Fauci, Ab Osterhaus, the WHO are very much correct that people underestimate this virus which shouldn't be since this virus is a huge threat to us all, they are the real heroes here who spend all time they got on trying to know everything they can find on Covid-19


cancer cases? yes that is unfortunate that they could not get treatments these times but dealing with a virus pandemic is more important

:unsure:

[joeysteele]

But good news, like this thread about less and less unnecessary deaths all over the country for 2 weeks running, is.

To you maybe not to me.

It's not just the UNNECESSARY deaths from this virus that needs consideration.

Those who have battled months against it,there's many left with brain damage, permanent kidney damage and permanent lung damage.
Their lives, as their lives were, will never be the same again.

There's no good news until there's no more damage like that and no more deaths at all.

I'd not wish the devastation of this virus on anyone who contracted it badly, or what they may be left with, IF they survived it.
Nor would I term good news as to a lower but still RISING death figures.

It brings no solace to those who know the deepest grief and pain of losing anyone or even more than just one, to this virus.

Statistics can be made to say whatever any organisation wants them to.
They don't impress me.

44,000 officially presented by the government as to deaths..
The real figure believed to be half that again on top of the 44,000.

With still hundreds dying over the whole of even just the last week.

That's all I need to see and I see nothing good in any of it.
That's my feeling and view.

[Cherie]

u:unsure:

:joker: let those cancer sufferers eat cake

[bots]

they had a video diary on the bbc yesterday of a cancer sufferer going through the pandemic where her treatment was suspended and she sadly died. It was heartbreaking

[The Judge.]

Not only did hmmmm Boris's slow reaction contribute tothe death rate but hmmm but also hmm poor funding hmmm of the NHS hmmmm our hmmm ratio hmmm to cases/deaths is shocking, not only were the NHS hmmmm under funded but the PPE information they were given hmmmmm kept changing you hmm had situations where Covid hmmm patients were hmmm on wards where they really should not have been hmmmm true..

[The Judge.]

A hmmm large hmm proportion of Covid cases hmmm were no doubt transmitted in hospital hmmm true..

[Toy Soldier]

Not only did hmmmm Boris's slow reaction contribute tothe death rate but hmmm but also hmm poor funding hmmm of the NHS hmmmm our hmmm ratio hmmm to cases/deaths is shocking, not only were the NHS hmmmm under funded but the PPE information they were given hmmmmm kept changing you hmm had situations where Covid hmmm patients were hmmm on wards where they really should not have been hmmmm true..

The **** is this though.

[The Judge.]

The **** is this though.hmmm do hmm you have a query hmmmm for the Judge......?

[The Slim Reaper]

Welcome judge. Bit of friendly advice, all the hmmm's in your posts may cause you to fall foul around here for a couple of reasons. 1) other posters wont want to read that continuously, 2) you will be accused of spamming and trolling.

Genuinely nice to see a new face around though, and I hope you accept this as well meaning.

[The Judge.]

Welcome judge. Bit of friendly advice, all the hmmm's in your posts may cause you to fall foul around here for a couple of reasons. 1) other posters wont want to read that continuously, 2) you will be accused of spamming and trolling.

Genuinely nice to see a new face around though, and I hope you accept this as well meaning.
HMM I am the wise HMMM judge, it HMMM is important to HMMM pause a few times while HMMM speaking, HMMM especially when HMMM one is the bearer of such HMMMM wisdom HMMM perhaps I can HMM change the format HMMM to make it easier to HMMM read... HMMMM

[Toy Soldier]

hmmm do hmm you have a query hmmmm for the Judge......?No.

Slim I'm sure you must be aware that there hasn't been a "new face" on Tibb since something like 2015.

[Cherie]

No.

Slim I'm sure you must be aware that there hasn't been a "new face" on Tibb since something like 2015.

What about Neems facelift :oh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

What about Neems facelift :oh:

that was the summer of the great Cork scaffolding shortage


:worry:

[joeysteele]

exactly, also UK has highest amount of deaths in europe, and only behind on USA, Brazil who got higher population too

Indeed Nicky and that ought to be seen as a scandal.

Sadly making light hearted as to rising deaths now are clouding that fact.

Another 155 deaths, (recorded ones that is), in the last 24 hours.
Even more families and connections left devastated.

The pain those families now left with, absolutely crushing.

[Ashley.]

No.

Slim I'm sure you must be aware that there hasn't been a "new face" on Tibb since something like 2015.

And look at me now!

[Beso]

What about Neems facelift :oh:

Both of them???


(:joker::joker:)

[The Judge.]

No.

Slim I'm sure you must be aware that there hasn't been a "new face" on Tibb since something like 2015.HMMM are you HMMM questioning HMMM the integrity HMMM of the judge? HMMMM

[Beso]

This complaint about care homes...

People forget that most people with covid show no symptoms at all...a symptomatic or something like that I think they are called.

[Mystic Mock]

exactly, also UK has highest amount of deaths in europe, and only behind on USA, Brazil who got higher population too

True, but considering they're further away from China than Europe in general they shouldn't really be having more cases and deaths than the UK.

And in fairness all three countries shouldn't be doing worse than Asian countries given the origin of where this disease started.

[joeysteele]

True, but considering they're further away from China than Europe in general they shouldn't really be having more cases and deaths than the UK.

And in fairness all three countries shouldn't be doing worse than Asian countries given the origin of where this disease started.

The virus can get anywhere with people travelling Mock.

Sadly in the USA and Brazil, they have leaders who have played down this virus.
Just haven't really even acknowledged the danger from it.

So the results don't surprise me over there.

Here in the UK, as with the USA and S America, we had the forewarnings of what was coming.
We saw in February, the desperate plight Italy was ending up in.
We too, sat about, not planning effectively, waiting to enact reactive catch up action, as things arose.

It was stated by those advising our government, a good result, ( odd term good result) would be for UK deaths to be on or below 20,000.

They're already more than double that on the figures given by the government and believed to be actually over 3 times that amount.

Yet there's people applauding this government's dangerous and scandalous performance on this.

That we are up there with the USA and Brazil, in the top 3 of the worst Nations for deaths with still rising deaths too.

To use the term good in any context on death figures, is insulting to the likely hundreds of thousands who've lost loved ones to this pestilence.
I guess it's easy to do for those who haven't lost any loved ones to it.
Rather than be thankful and show understanding.
They call more deaths as good figures and even bring humour into play.

Also Johnson's disgraceful slur to Care homes too.
Is just about one of the lowest acts he has taken his performance to, on this pandemic too.

I just hope any investigation eventually into this and our government's handling of it.
Will be done with total independence with everything known on the table.
Because this government needs to have the buck stop fully at their door.
For their incompetence, negligence, procrastination, deceit, blatant lies and risking the lives dangerously of so many elderly in hospital and Care homes.
The blame lies mostly with the government and its failure to prepare,even with months of forewarnings of what was coming.

Desperately and devastatingly sad, and for millions, life can never now be the same, ever likely again.

[Nicky91]

correct Joey, which is why it is very well done to EU for giving a travel ban still to and from any of the highest risk countries

their approach regarding this whole covid crisis has been quite good overall


also Dr Fauci is correct in you shouldn't just look at death numbers, but more at amounts of new cases, new hospitalisations daily that can show more where you stand

same mindset what most dutch people had been looking into daily at graphics here, to basically ignore daily death numbers and more focus on new cases, new hospitalisations, and how much decrease in ICU takes places each day

[Mystic Mock]

The virus can get anywhere with people travelling Mock.

Sadly in the USA and Brazil, they have leaders who have played down this virus.
Just haven't really even acknowledged the danger from it.

So the results don't surprise me over there.

Here in the UK, as with the USA and S America, we had the forewarnings of what was coming.
We saw in February, the desperate plight Italy was ending up in.
We too, sat about, not planning effectively, waiting to enact reactive catch up action, as things arose.

It was stated by those advising our government, a good result, ( odd term good result) would be for UK deaths to be on or below 20,000.

They're already more than double that on the figures given by the government and believed to be actually over 3 times that amount.

Yet there's people applauding this government's dangerous and scandalous performance on this.

That we are up there with the USA and Brazil, in the top 3 of the worst Nations for deaths with still rising deaths too.

To use the term good in any context on death figures, is insulting to the likely hundreds of thousands who've lost loved ones to this pestilence.
I guess it's easy to do for those who haven't lost any loved ones to it.
Rather than be thankful and show understanding.
They call more deaths as good figures and even bring humour into play.

Also Johnson's disgraceful slur to Care homes too.
Is just about one of the lowest acts he has taken his performance to, on this pandemic too.

I just hope any investigation eventually into this and our government's handling of it.
Will be done with total independence with everything known on the table.
Because this government needs to have the buck stop fully at their door.
For their incompetence, negligence, procrastination, deceit, blatant lies and risking the lives dangerously of so many elderly in hospital and Care homes.
The blame lies mostly with the government and its failure to prepare,even with months of forewarnings of what was coming.

Desperately and devastatingly sad, and for millions, life can never now be the same, ever likely again.

I agree with what you're saying Joey, our Government and tbh some of our regular people have handled this situation disgracefully, greed and spoiled brats have been the two negative traits that I've seen when it's come to Covid-19 in the UK's handling of the situation, basically a recipe for disaster.

And what's Boris said about the Healthcare out of interest?

[Cherie]

correct Joey, which is why it is very well done to EU for giving a travel ban still to and from any of the highest risk countries

their approach regarding this whole covid crisis has been quite good overall


also Dr Fauci is correct in you shouldn't just look at death numbers, but more at amounts of new cases, new hospitalisations daily that can show more where you stand

same mindset what most dutch people had been looking into daily at graphics here, to basically ignore daily death numbers and more focus on new cases, new hospitalisations, and how much decrease in ICU takes places each day

that applies to everywhere except the UK, where the focus is very much on death!

[joeysteele]

I agree with what you're saying Joey, our Government and tbh some of our regular people have handled this situation disgracefully, greed and spoiled brats have been the two negative traits that I've seen when it's come to Covid-19 in the UK's handling of the situation, basically a recipe for disaster.

And what's Boris said about the Healthcare out of interest?

He has stated that some deaths in Care Homes were down to them not following the right practices.

Thereby trying to shift blame for the deaths of elderly in Care homes.
When Hospitals were instructed to discharge elderly from hospital, to free up beds.
They were sent back to the Care homes, (actually Piers Morgan has been on about this since March and exposed it), not having been tested for the virus..
Then infected other residents and Care staff too.

The government was and should have been responsible for bringing in testing, which they have messed about with anyway.

The end result is, elderly loved ones, were sacrificed almost.
Due to really no guideline practices actually being in place for Care homes.

For him now to try to detract from his and his government's chaos on this pandemic, by trying to blame the Care homes and their staff..
Is really sick and the being the lowest of the low.
In my view.

Obviously I'm mad at it, because I lost an Aunt from a Care home.
Who had been infected by a resident returning from Hospital.
The insulting sight of a PM trying to level blame to others, when the government should have put in place rulings to protect all, especially however the more vulnerable already sick and elderly, is infuriating and the man is a disgrace.

Because protection equipment too was not readily available, in fact even for NHS staff in hospitals, due to this government's shocking preparation for this virus.
All we got from Hancock was deceit and lies on a daily basis on protection equipment.

We who have lost loved ones unnecessarily however are not going to let the government off the hook..
I have no time for Piers Morgan but he has week after week exposed the deceit and lies of the government.
So much so, no Minister will go and be interviewed on ITV morning show, for the last 10 weeks now.
Yet every other Party and leader will do so.

That speaks volumes as to this government's fear of being seen as blatantly politically lying.
Even on this extremely dangerous and serious pandemic.

[bots]

i don't think the staff in care homes were as careful as they could have been early on, but who was? The reason it spread so rapidly was because people everywhere were not careful.

We didn't have proper testing early on, how could they possibly know there was a problem with no testing and no symptoms?

Care homes suffered because it was a stuffy, enclosed environment, it was a breeding ground for the virus, the same as any other similar communal area

Blame cannot be attached to single events, it is attached to a catalog of issues that combine to form a large problem, and that's what happened with care homes.

[joeysteele]

The staff in the Care home where my Aunt lost her life.
Followed all they could at the time.

Residents there caught it after Hospitals were pushed to discharge elderly patients to Care homes and their own homes.

The fact there was no testing done, only selectively, was down to the government.

I'm not going to have Care home staff who ended up risking losing their lives or getting this virus, now blamed for the government's incompetence.

Hancock said in January, we were well prepared for this virus and had a test for it.
The government should have made sure all the vulnerably sick and elderly were tested, particularly on discharge and admission to hospital.
They didn't, pure and simple.

[Mystic Mock]

He has stated that some deaths in Care Homes were down to them not following the right practices.

Thereby trying to shift blame for the deaths of elderly in Care homes.
When Hospitals were instructed to discharge elderly from hospital, to free up beds.
They were sent back to the Care homes, (actually Piers Morgan has been on about this since March and exposed it), not having been tested for the virus..
Then infected other residents and Care staff too.

The government was and should have been responsible for bringing in testing, which they have messed about with anyway.

The end result is, elderly loved ones, were sacrificed almost.
Due to really no guideline practices actually being in place for Care homes.

For him now to try to detract from his and his government's chaos on this pandemic, by trying to blame the Care homes and their staff..
Is really sick and the being the lowest of the low.
In my view.

Obviously I'm mad at it, because I lost an Aunt from a Care home.
Who had been infected by a resident returning from Hospital.
The insulting sight of a PM trying to level blame to others, when the government should have put in place rulings to protect all, especially however the more vulnerable already sick and elderly, is infuriating and the man is a disgrace.

Because protection equipment too was not readily available, in fact even for NHS staff in hospitals, due to this government's shocking preparation for this virus.
All we got from Hancock was deceit and lies on a daily basis on protection equipment.

We who have lost loved ones unnecessarily however are not going to let the government off the hook..
I have no time for Piers Morgan but he has week after week exposed the deceit and lies of the government.
So much so, no Minister will go and be interviewed on ITV morning show, for the last 10 weeks now.
Yet every other Party and leader will do so.

That speaks volumes as to this government's fear of being seen as blatantly politically lying.
Even on this extremely dangerous and serious pandemic.
I'm sorry to hear about your Aunt Joey.

Yeah tbh Boris really should be careful on starting the blame game when we all should be trying to unite, I'm amazed that our leader has failed at rule 101 of being PM of the UK.

[Marsh.]

Not only did hmmmm Boris's slow reaction contribute tothe death rate but hmmm but also hmm poor funding hmmm of the NHS hmmmm our hmmm ratio hmmm to cases/deaths is shocking, not only were the NHS hmmmm under funded but the PPE information they were given hmmmmm kept changing you hmm had situations where Covid hmmm patients were hmmm on wards where they really should not have been hmmmm true..

A hmmm large hmm proportion of Covid cases hmmm were no doubt transmitted in hospital hmmm true..

hmmm do hmm you have a query hmmmm for the Judge......?

HMM I am the wise HMMM judge, it HMMM is important to HMMM pause a few times while HMMM speaking, HMMM especially when HMMM one is the bearer of such HMMMM wisdom HMMM perhaps I can HMM change the format HMMM to make it easier to HMMM read... HMMMM

HMMM are you HMMM questioning HMMM the integrity HMMM of the judge? HMMMM

This is why I don't eat at the computer. You have a crumb stuck under your 'M' key.

[Kizzy]

i don't think the staff in care homes were as careful as they could have been early on, but who was? The reason it spread so rapidly was because people everywhere were not careful.

We didn't have proper testing early on, how could they possibly know there was a problem with no testing and no symptoms?

Care homes suffered because it was a stuffy, enclosed environment, it was a breeding ground for the virus, the same as any other similar communal area

Blame cannot be attached to single events, it is attached to a catalog of issues that combine to form a large problem, and that's what happened with care homes.

Think this is called ' Doing a Johnson'... Blaming care workers.
Hospitals seeding care homes with cases is not a factor in your scenario?