Johnny Depp arrives at London Court taking on D.Wooten

[arista]

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He says he never beat up his
ex -wife.

[Niamh.]

Yeah that was an odd story, with all the tapes etc that were released, seems like she was the abuser there though although wasn't there a first set of recordings that seemed to say he was the one? If so not sure he can sue them for lying as such?

*I may not have the full set of facts on this story

[Liam-]

Ha, I hope he wins, Dan Wooton is scum

[Toy Soldier]

Yeah that was an odd story, with all the tapes etc that were released, seems like she was the abuser there though although wasn't there a first set of recordings that seemed to say he was the one? If so not sure he can sue them for lying as such?

*I may not have the full set of facts on this story

My take on the story is that they were both physically violent (and generally toxic) to each other throughout the relationship, but he "called time" first and stopped the violence, basically saying "we can't go on like this", but she continued being violent and (for whatever reason :think: ) refused to even commit to ending the violence and even sort of suggested she liked things the way they were.

I don't think there's a clear-cut villain in the story really. I don't think either of them were good to each other, but I think she had her own issues that meant she saw the mutual violence and abuse as part of a "passionate relationship". It's sadly not all that uncommon.

[arista]

My take on the story is that they were both physically violent (and generally toxic) to each other throughout the relationship, but he "called time" first and stopped the violence, basically saying "we can't go on like this", but she continued being violent and (for whatever reason :think: ) refused to even commit to ending the violence and even sort of suggested she liked things the way they were.

I don't think there's a clear-cut villain in the story really. I don't think either of them were good to each other, but I think she had her own issues that meant she saw the mutual violence and abuse as part of a "passionate relationship". It's sadly not all that uncommon.


So Dan Wooton's Source
was right then.

[Niamh.]

My take on the story is that they were both physically violent (and generally toxic) to each other throughout the relationship, but he "called time" first and stopped the violence, basically saying "we can't go on like this", but she continued being violent and (for whatever reason :think: ) refused to even commit to ending the violence and even sort of suggested she liked things the way they were.

I don't think there's a clear-cut villain in the story really. I don't think either of them were good to each other, but I think she had her own issues that meant she saw the mutual violence and abuse as part of a "passionate relationship". It's sadly not all that uncommon.

All sounds very messy and depressing

[Tom4784]

Amber Heard seems quite psychotic tbh. That relationship was a ****show from what we've heard but she seemed to be the worse of the two. She chopped off part of his finger, she laughed in his face about how no one would believe him and then she profited from the Metoo movement despite being an abuser herself.

I read a book a while back, it became a TV show but I've not watched it called Big Little Lies and what we know of their relationship reminds me of an abusive relationship in that book where the victim feels less like a victim because she fights back and she sometimes trades him blow for blow but it doesn't make her less of a victim.

Given what we know of Amber Heard's actions and how manipulative she was and how she bragged about being manipulative, I'd say she was the main abuser in that relationship.

She's an awful human being, I feel particularly hateful towards her because I believed her and her actions make people doubt other victims. She's just a **** of a human being.

[Niamh.]

Amber Heard seems quite psychotic tbh. That relationship was a ****show from what we've heard but she seemed to be the worse of the two. She chopped off part of his finger, she laughed in his face about how no one would believe him and then she profited from the Metoo movement despite being an abuser herself.

I read a book a while back, it became a TV show but I've not watched it called Big Little Lies and what we know of their relationship reminds me of an abusive relationship in that book where the victim feels less like a victim because she fights back and she sometimes trades him blow for blow but it doesn't make her less of a victim.

Given what we know of Amber Heard's actions and how manipulative she was and how she bragged about being manipulative, I'd say she was the main abuser in that relationship.

She's an awful human being, I feel particularly hateful towards her because I believed her and her actions make people doubt other victims. She's just a **** of a human being.

I haven't read the book but I watched the show, it's really good, great cast as well.

[Ammi]

Amber Heard seems quite psychotic tbh. That relationship was a ****show from what we've heard but she seemed to be the worse of the two. She chopped off part of his finger, she laughed in his face about how no one would believe him and then she profited from the Metoo movement despite being an abuser herself.

I read a book a while back, it became a TV show but I've not watched it called Big Little Lies and what we know of their relationship reminds me of an abusive relationship in that book where the victim feels less like a victim because she fights back and she sometimes trades him blow for blow but it doesn't make her less of a victim.

Given what we know of Amber Heard's actions and how manipulative she was and how she bragged about being manipulative, I'd say she was the main abuser in that relationship.

She's an awful human being, I feel particularly hateful towards her because I believed her and her actions make people doubt other victims. She's just a **** of a human being.

I haven't read the book but I watched the show, it's really good, great cast as well.



...obviously with Johnny Depp and Amber Heard we’ve only had the toxicity reported ...but what Big Little Lies showed so well was the loving party of the relationship as well...she was aware of his control but they had an intense love as well...

[Tom4784]

Honestly, it sounds to me that she had a lot of coercive control over him, if she'd brag in front of a therapist on tape about how no one would ever believe him then what was she like in private?

[Marsh.]

Honestly, it sounds to me that she had a lot of coercive control over him, if she'd brag in front of a therapist on tape about how no one would ever believe him then what was she like in private?

Yeah exactly, he had the career to lose and she had everything to gain from the publicity exposure.

[Tom4784]

Yeah exactly, he had the career to lose and she had everything to gain from the publicity exposure.

Yeah, we can only speculate based on what we already know but a lot of that, on reflection, was very typical of an abuser losing control. She wanted control of the narrative, she made everyone believe that he was in the wrong and he paid for it. She gaslit the **** out of him and then weaponised the world against him. It makes me so angry because I believed her fully, I didn't think for a second she wasn't a victim all the while I (and the rest of the world) was slating the actual victim.

Has she even faced consequences from any of this coming out? I don't think I've heard of her losing any jobs or roles because of it. Does she still have the Aquaman gig?

[Ammi]

Yeah, we can only speculate based on what we already know but a lot of that, on reflection, was very typical of an abuser losing control. She wanted control of the narrative, she made everyone believe that he was in the wrong and he paid for it. She gaslit the **** out of him and then weaponised the world against him. It makes me so angry because I believed her fully, I didn't think for a second she wasn't a victim all the while I (and the rest of the world) was slating the actual victim.

Has she even faced consequences from any of this coming out? I don't think I've heard of her losing any jobs or roles because of it. Does she still have the Aquaman gig?

...I was just reading up on it because I wasn’t completely familiar with what’s happened and it wouldn’t appear that anyone has spoken out against her ...all of the sources that were so vocal against him...?...have apparently kept completely silent in condemning
her..../..odd...

[The Slim Reaper]

...I was just reading up on it because I wasn’t completely familiar with what’s happened and it wouldn’t appear that anyone has spoken out against her ...all of the sources that were so vocal against him...?...have apparently kept completely silent in condemning
her..../..odd...

Loads have called out her lies and her general actions.

[Ammi]

Loads have called out her lies and her general actions.

...I’m really not that familiar with the case or with their relationship...I just looked at one site tbh...

[The Slim Reaper]

...I’m really not that familiar with the case or with their relationship...I just looked at one site tbh...

It's pretty tricky as I know a few publications paid her for interviews and "her story" etc, so probably quite easy to run into a one-sided story. Pretty sure all the staff have come out and supported Johnny, and spoke about some of the horrendous and crazy things she has done.

She hired a PI to dig up dirt on him, and he came back and saifd there isn't any. There are recorded conversations between him and her parents where they're basically admitting she's a fruit loop.

[Tom4784]

She may be an arsehole but one of the few things JK Rowling has done right lately was stick by Depp despite many people (including myself) believing that he shouldn't have been cast or kept his role in Fantastic Beasts.

[Niamh.]

I remember originally not believing her because Vanessa paradis and another of his exes spoke up for him saying how that was not the kind of person they knew when they were with him but then there was some sort of "proof" against him and I felt awful for not believing her but then more tapes came out against her, such an awful and messy story

[Niamh.]

She may be an arsehole but one of the few things JK Rowling has done right lately was stick by Depp despite many people (including myself) believing that he shouldn't have been cast or kept his role in Fantastic Beasts.

Why is JK Rowling an asshole? I really like her

[Tom4784]

Why is JK Rowling an asshole? I really like her

All the anti-trans stuff basically, she's becoming more and more extreme with it. I used to agree with her to an extent but it's becoming more and more apparent that she has a massive issue with trans people in general.

[Niamh.]

All the anti-trans stuff basically, she's becoming more and more extreme with it. I used to agree with her to an extent but it's becoming more and more apparent that she has a massive issue with trans people in general.

nah disagree with you on that tbh. She is definitely coming from a women's rights angle there imo

[Oliver_W]

Go Johnny, drag that lying bitch for all it's worth.

and then go for Amber

[GoldHeart]

I never believed Amber heard , as others have said she comes across Psycho !.

Hope Johnny Depp is successful with suing Wooton the scumbag :fc: .

[Liam-]

All the anti-trans stuff basically, she's becoming more and more extreme with it. I used to agree with her to an extent but it's becoming more and more apparent that she has a massive issue with trans people in general.

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Comparing being trans to gays being forced to go through conversation therapy was a new low even for her

[Oliver_W]

.
Comparing being trans to gays being forced to go through conversation therapy was a new low even for her

Depends. In Iran (https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2020/03/iran-forcing-gay-men-gender-transition-surgeries-make-straight/) gays are forced to transition in order to not be gays anymore.

[Amy Jade]

I still like Amber and think she's an excellent actress but I fully believe they were abusive to each other and both did wrong 100% so shes silly making out she was some beaten down fragile ex

[Oliver_W]

I wonder if people will be trying to get her movie roles cancelled, like they were with Depp? Is she gonna be in Aquaman 2?

[Jigs]

Dan Wootton is the Perez of this decade. He's a successful man but at what cost?

[Marsh.]

.
Comparing being trans to gays being forced to go through conversation therapy was a new low even for her

Depends, wasn't she comparing children being given drugs to allow them to transition as like putting gay kids through conversion therapy?

I think part of the backlash against her is thinking "trans" is one group of people or one entity, when really she's speaking up about a lot of stuff that's grown up around trans rights (stemming from extreme activists) that is really quite dangerous if it's allowed to continue (and dangerous FOR trans people as well as cis people).

[GoldHeart]

All the anti-trans stuff basically, she's becoming more and more extreme with it. I used to agree with her to an extent but it's becoming more and more apparent that she has a massive issue with trans people in general.

She is not anti trans, for god sake :facepalm: she's even supportive and has trans fans and friends. These days its too easy to jump on the bandwagon and think bad of people .

All she said was the biological gender thing or am I missing something? . JK is unfairly getting stick over this .

[Liam-]

Depends, wasn't she comparing children being given drugs to allow them to transition as like putting gay kids through conversion therapy?

I think part of the backlash against her is thinking "trans" is one group of people or one entity, when really she's speaking up about a lot of stuff that's grown up around trans rights (stemming from extreme activists) that is really quite dangerous if it's allowed to continue (and dangerous FOR trans people as well as cis people).

Yeah that’s what she did, it’s a totally fabricated comparison, she’s using a historic tragedy for gay people to try and emotionally strengthen her, often misguided, opinions, conversion therapy is forced, nobody is forcing anybody to be transgender.

Therein lies her problem, for a very talented author she is very bad at articulating whatever she thinks her points are, more often than not she uses sources that aren’t proven, that aren’t really supported by science and she doesn’t help herself when she uses opinions from anti-lgbt organisations to try and back her up, she loves to have her opinion, but when people question her, she decides to say it’s because she’s a woman, not because she’s a horror.
Many people have reservations about self ID and that is fine, but she doesn’t say that, she lumps all Transgender under the same umbrella.

She shows no intention of trying to converse with trans people to try and understand, that’s part of the problem, she doesn’t want a discussion, she wasn’t to lecture

[Marsh.]

Yeah that’s what she did, it’s a totally fabricated comparison, she’s using a historic tragedy for gay people to try and emotionally strengthen her, often misguided, opinions, conversion therapy is forced, nobody is forcing anybody to be transgender.

Therein lies her problem, for a very talented author she is very bad at articulating whatever she thinks her points are, more often than not she uses sources that aren’t proven, that aren’t really supported by science and she doesn’t help herself when she uses opinions from anti-lgbt organisations to try and back her up, she loves to have her opinion, but when people question her, she decides to say it’s because she’s a woman, not because she’s a horror.

She shows no intention of trying to converse with trans people to try and understand, that’s part of the problem, she doesn’t want a discussion, she wasn’t to lecture

Tbf, she does converse with transpeople. What she refuses to do is converse with the extreme trans-activists that are drowning everyone else's voices out IMO.

And, in my opinion, allowing children to transition and take drugs to facilitate that is dangerous.

But I won't turn the thread into the trans debate. :worry:

[Liam-]

Tbf, she does converse with transpeople. What she refuses to do is converse with the extreme trans-activists that are drowning everyone else's voices out IMO.

And, in my opinion, allowing children to transition and take drugs to facilitate that is dangerous.

But I won't turn the thread into the trans debate. :worry:

She converses with the transpeople that agree with her :laugh:

Children aren’t allowed to transition, you have to be 18 to transition, puberty blockers that are given are completely reversible and gives questioning children time to come to terms with whatever they are, but they’re not handed out like candy like JK and the like seem to think they are

[GoldHeart]

Tbf, she does converse with transpeople. What she refuses to do is converse with the extreme trans-activists that are drowning everyone else's voices out IMO.

And, in my opinion, allowing children to transition and take drugs to facilitate that is dangerous.

But I won't turn the thread into the trans debate. :worry:

Those extreme idiots are making the trans community look bad , and it's child abuse .

[Marsh.]

She converses with the transpeople that agree with her :laugh:

Children aren’t allowed to transition, you have to be 18 to transition, puberty blockers that are given are completely reversible and gives questioning children time to come to terms with whatever they are, but they’re not handed out like candy like JK and the like seem to think they are

Well, tbf, the trans activists who are the ones with an issue with her statements don't really want a debate. They shout TERF and shut down anyone who doesn't just trot out their previously agreed phrases. If you even slightly question their demands or offer a nuanced discussion of it you're immediately a TERF. Probably why Emma Watson didn't offer any input to the discussion in any detail, just tweeted one sentence to please everyone for fear of backlash.

There's wrong on both sides, but I personally have no time for the extreme activists who want their way or no way in regards to any issue and to hell with everyone else and their views or needs.

[Oliver_W]

puberty blockers that are given are completely reversible


It's still unclear as to how reversible they are, plus they come with other nasty side effects.

Potential immediate side effects of puberty blockers include hot flashes, swelling, headaches, and weight gain. Long-term side effects could possibly include bone density loss and subfertility, which is why using puberty blockers for more than four years is not recommended.

According to the BBC, there is no clear data on how exactly puberty blockers might affect adolescent brain development and mental health. Obtaining informed consent from children — considered unfit to make mature, long term decisions — for a process that might affect them for their entire adult life is also a debate that hasn’t found any clear-cut answers.
> https://theswaddle.com/what-are-puberty-blockers/

[Liam-]

Well, tbf, the trans activists who are the ones with an issue with her statements don't really want a debate. They shout TERF and shut down anyone who doesn't just trot out their previously agreed phrases. If you even slightly question their demands or offer a nuanced discussion of it you're immediately a TERF. Probably why Emma Watson didn't offer any input to the discussion in any detail, just tweeted one sentence to please everyone for fear of backlash.

There's wrong on both sides, but I personally have no time for the extreme activists who want their way or no way in regards to any issue and to hell with everyone else and their views or needs.

The extreme ones are horrifying tbf, they’re very militant, but then how are people meant to feel if people are trying to devalue their existence? Then on the other hand, look at the response Margaret Atwood is getting for believing in the opposite of JK, it’s just as bad. However there are many level headed trans people she could discuss things with, Paris Lees for one, Monroe Burgdof is another one, she just doesn’t come across as someone who is willing to hear that people think she’s wrong, even if they’re respectful, I mean, she tweeted her admiration for someone and then deleted it and unfollowed him because he told someone he supported trans rights, she does herself no favours and often comes across as a standard bigot

[Liam-]

But back to Johnny, I was ready a reporters tweets from the trial and it sounded like he got a battering by the Sun’s defence for being a historic drunk and drug taker, but he handled it well by all accounts and then Herd walked past him in the corridor and stared him out trying to intimidate him

[Beso]

****ing weirdo.

[Marsh.]

The extreme ones are horrifying tbf, they’re very militant, but then how are people meant to feel if people are trying to devalue their existence? Then on the other hand, look at the response Margaret Atwood is getting for believing in the opposite of JK, it’s just as bad. However there are many level headed trans people she could discuss things with, Paris Lees for one, Monroe Burgdof is another one, she just doesn’t come across as someone who is willing to hear that people think she’s wrong, even if they’re respectful, I mean, she tweeted her admiration for someone and then deleted it and unfollowed him because he told someone he supported trans rights, she does herself no favours and often comes across as a standard bigot

Tbf, I feel her problem with people like Stephen King is the same as mine, offering no input to a discussion but the pre-approved phrase that doesn't actually add anything. Just like Emma Watson, he may have posted nothing at all considering all he added to it. The discussion is too complex to be a "trans women are women" or even a "trans women are trans women" type of thing. And their kind of posturing doesn't help.

But I completely agree on any kind of militant activist, it destroys any actual progress for anyone.

[Marsh.]

But back to Johnny, I was ready a reporters tweets from the trial and it sounded like he got a battering by the Sun’s defence for being a historic drunk and drug taker, but he handled it well by all accounts and then Herd walked past him in the corridor and stared him out trying to intimidate him

Are they suggesting his history of drinking and drugs makes it ok for them to post sh*t about him and ruin his career?

As for Herd, I saw the image of her walking into court linking the arms of her lawyer and was it a friend or sister or something? She's a performer. All I'll say is it doesn't say much for him that he was so easily duped by her if the stories of her pretending she had the same interest and hobbies as him to get to the point where he married her. :omgno: A bloody mess of a relationship.

It is nice to see his exes come out in support of him though.

[Toy Soldier]

Tbf, I feel her problem with people like Stephen King is the same as mine, offering no input to a discussion but the pre-approved phrase that doesn't actually add anything. Just like Emma Watson, he may have posted nothing at all considering all he added to it. The discussion is too complex to be a "trans women are women" or even a "trans women are trans women" type of thing. And their kind of posturing doesn't help.



But I completely agree on any kind of militant activist, it destroys any actual progress for anyone.I definitely agree with that. There is currently -- no one -- more dangerous to genuine trans people than people on the extreme fringes of trans rights and those who refuse to see that some purported transwomen are in fact problematic fetishists. They're right there in front of your face. They know fine well these individuals exist. They just think admitting it would be damaging when, ironically, it's the dogma and refusal to explore the issues that's going to end up absolutely decimating decades of progress when the bubble bursts.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Mystic Mock]

Yeah that was an odd story, with all the tapes etc that were released, seems like she was the abuser there though although wasn't there a first set of recordings that seemed to say he was the one? If so not sure he can sue them for lying as such?

*I may not have the full set of facts on this story

To me it sounds like both of them were abusive at different points, but that Amber Heard tried to spin the story into her being the victim.

[Mystic Mock]

****ing weirdo.

Wooton or Amber?

[Amy Jade]

To me it sounds like both of them were abusive at different points, but that Amber Heard tried to spin the story into her being the victim.

This is how I feel. I definitely believe he hit her and she hit him also before anyone pulls me up for it :laugh:

[Tom4784]

Given what we know now, I think it's wrong to paint both sides as equally wrong. She's a psychological abuser, she put him in a position where she basically said she could do what she wanted to him and he'd be the villain and she proved it right with her lies to the world.

He was likely broken down by her abuse and lashed out which isn't right but it doesn't make him an abuser either. If you were to flip the genders, would you say a woman is an abuser if she is abused, finally snaps and lashes out? According to the law, she wouldn't be considered so given that there was a murder charge that was overturned a year or two ago with a woman who, after years of abuse, killed her husband. She was found guilty, I believe but then the courts recognised the effects of things like psychological abuse and coercive control and overturned it and I believe they wrote it into law as a justifiable defense although I'd have to google that last bit.

It's an extreme example, but, regardless of gender, if you abuse someone and they eventually snap, it doesn't make them an abuser for defending themselves.

[Vanessa]

Given what we know now, I think it's wrong to paint both sides as equally wrong. She's a psychological abuser, she put him in a position where she basically said she could do what she wanted to him and he'd be the villain and she proved it right with her lies to the world.

He was likely broken down by her abuse and lashed out which isn't right but it doesn't make him an abuser either. If you were to flip the genders, would you say a woman is an abuser if she is abused, finally snaps and lashes out? According to the law, she wouldn't be considered so given that there was a murder charge that was overturned a year or two ago with a woman who, after years of abuse, killed her husband. She was found guilty, I believe but then the courts recognised the effects of things like psychological abuse and coersive control and overturned it and I believe they wrote it into law as a justifiable defense although I'd have to google that last bit.

It's an extreme example, but, regardless of gender, if you abuse someone and they eventually snap, it doesn't make them an abuser for defending themselves.
Yes, I agree with you 100%.
And his exes all defended him. Surely if he had a history of violence it would have come out already?
She's a narcissistic sociopath and painted herself as the victim.
When in fact she was the abuser.

[arista]

Looks the Sun
may win.

After she said he was high of drugs
no wonder he can not remember

[Marsh.]

Being on drugs is not proof he's a wife beater.

[Vanessa]

Being on drugs is not proof he's a wife beater.

Yes, I agree.

[arista]

Being on drugs is not proof he's a wife beater.

Of course
but can effect his correct memory..................

[Vanessa]

Of course
but can effect his correct memory..................

But there's no evidence whatsoever that he's an abuser.
We only have her word for it. And she actually has a history of abuse :suspect:

[Oliver_W]

I loved a little nugget I saw on twitter that he said over the trial:

"I don't have an anger problem. I laugh sometimes, and I don't have a laughter problem."

[arista]

But there's no evidence whatsoever that he's an abuser.
We only have her word for it. And she actually has a history of abuse :suspect:


[Johnny Depp sent texts referring
to his ex-wife Amber Heard as "a witch"
and saying "let's burn Amber", the High Court
has been told during the second day
of a high-profile libel action against The Sun newspaper.]


https://news.sky.com/story/johnny-depp-libel-trial-star-called-amber-heard-a-witch-in-text-messages-court-hears-12024026

[arista]

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Amber
The Sun's Star Witness

[Tom4784]

The Scum do love their liars.

[Amy Jade]

They're both coming out of this looking absolutely awful.

Who jokes about killing someone and raping the corpse? Or threatens to kill a dog by putting it in a microwave.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Amy Jade]

Being on drugs is not proof he's a wife beater.

I agree with this but he's denying everything when there are eye witnesses and recordings of him threatening her.

I'll admit I thought this was very clear cut and she had just taken advantage but there is physical evidence that he threatened to kill her, set her corpse alight and then perform necrophilia upon the remains. They have the texts of him saying it to Paul Bettany.

[Amy Jade]

Honestly it was a big mistake for Depp to bring about this lawsuit I believe. He had huge support and I think he definitely looked way more innocent than Heard and public opinion was certainly in his favour but I think any normal person reading the evidence can see he is deeply disturbed.

[arista]

Honestly it was a big mistake for Depp to bring about this lawsuit I believe. He had huge support and I think he definitely looked way more innocent than Heard and public opinion was certainly in his favour but I think any normal person reading the evidence can see he is deeply disturbed.

Yes it's a Gamble

[Liam-]

Threatening someone who’s been physically and mentally abusing him doesn’t make him equally as bad as the person doing the abusing

[Amy Jade]

Threatening someone who’s been physically and mentally abusing him doesn’t make him equally as bad as the person doing the abusing

I didn't say that at all, but it is looking increasingly likely that the physical and mental abuse worked both ways. Before this case most never knew things like him threatening to set her on fire and have sex with the corpse and put her poor dog in a microwave.

[GoldHeart]

I didn't say that at all, but it is looking increasingly likely that the physical and mental abuse worked both ways. Before this case most never knew things like him threatening to set her on fire and have sex with the corpse and put her poor dog in a microwave.

Wtf ! I didn't know about any of that :shocked: , but it's definitely not one sided and Amber is not a victim .

Sounds like there's a lot of mental health issues ,and the fact drugs have been involved doesn't help. But I heard about her doing a number 2 in the bed and blaming the dog or something :yuk:

[Niamh.]

I heard (pardon the pun) that Emilia Clarke might be replacing her in Aquaman 2 - Kaleesi and Khal Drogo reunited :flutter:

[GoldHeart]

I heard (pardon the pun) that Emilia Clarke might be replacing her in Aquaman 2 - Kaleesi and Khal Drogo reunited :flutter:

Good !
I never understood why Amber got the role in the first place :facepalm:

[Niamh.]

Good !
I never understood why Amber got the role in the first place :facepalm:

Well I'm not sure if it's true or just a rumour but I'd love to see that

[Tom4784]

I didn't say that at all, but it is looking increasingly likely that the physical and mental abuse worked both ways. Before this case most never knew things like him threatening to set her on fire and have sex with the corpse and put her poor dog in a microwave.

Given her manipulation of the metoo movement and the fact she was caught on tape literally saying that he could never go public with what she's done because he wouldn't be believed (abuser logic 101), I think that's enough to suggest she was the main abuser, plus he was the one that wanted to get away from her, remember. It's always the abuser that clings to the relationship and the abused that try to flee from it.

From everything that's been said, it seems likely that she basically broke him down completely and the things he said were responses to the abuse. It doesn't make them right but given that all of his exes have stood by him, it tells me that the behaviour he showed in his marriage to Heard was likely a response to the abuse he suffered.

Of course, I could be wrong but everything that's been said so far rings true for Amber Heard being the abuser.

[Amy Jade]

Good !
I never understood why Amber got the role in the first place :facepalm:

She's great in Aquaman, perfect Mera imo

[arista]

[Johnny Depp assaulted Amber Heard
and pulled out her hair after she found
out he was cheating on her with
an ex-girlfriend, court hears]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8507497/Depp-assaulted-Heard-pulled-hair-cheating-court-hears.html

[arista]

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[Marsh.]

I agree with this but he's denying everything when there are eye witnesses and recordings of him threatening her.

I'll admit I thought this was very clear cut and she had just taken advantage but there is physical evidence that he threatened to kill her, set her corpse alight and then perform necrophilia upon the remains. They have the texts of him saying it to Paul Bettany.

Tbf, joking about killing the wife you're currently in the process of bitterly splitting from is not the same as threatening to me.

[Marsh.]

And the photographs of the perfectly staged drugs binge and photographing him in compromising positions.

Nobody does that, unless all small parts in a bigger plan by a master manipulator. She eyed him from day 1 as her ticket to success.

[arista]

1281567575701364736


Dirty Women
did it in the bed...............

[arista]

She says
He Head Butted her
That's nasty on a Lady


And He Chucked a phone fast and hit her head

[Amy Jade]

Tbf, joking about killing the wife you're currently in the process of bitterly splitting from is not the same as threatening to me.

Saying 'oh I'll kill her' I'd get but kill, burn and shag the charred corpse? the bloke is bat shít

[Liam-]

And the photographs of the perfectly staged drugs binge and photographing him in compromising positions.

Nobody does that, unless all small parts in a bigger plan by a master manipulator. She eyed him from day 1 as her ticket to success.

My thought exactly

[Marsh.]

Saying 'oh I'll kill her' I'd get but kill, burn and shag the charred corpse? the bloke is bat shít

Well I think we can agree they're both batsh*t :laugh: but talking sh*t about someone behind their back (no matter how, shall we say, colourful) is not the same as making a serious threat.

I don't think she was in any danger of him actually doing that to her. It probably illustrates the level of hatred they would feel for one another that they would make such comments. A very toxic relationship.

[arista]

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[GoldHeart]

She's great in Aquaman, perfect Mera imo

I disagree :bored:

[Tom4784]

She's proven herself to be a good actress... Just not in her career tbh. She played the role of a victim exceptionally well until she got caught out on tape.

[GoldHeart]

The fact that Depp's ex's have defended him ,it's clear as day she's the one that's driven him mad as she's the main abuser .

[Vanessa]

The fact that Depp's ex's have defended him ,it's clear as day she's the one that's driven him mad as she's the main abuser .

Exactly, the exes have all defended him.
I'm not saying he's perfect, but I don't believe for a second that he's a violent man
When you're abused, there comes a point where you will fight back and that's exactly what happened.
I know from experience.

[Amy Jade]

No wonder she was so good in All the Boys Love Mandy Lane knowing what we know now

[Marsh.]

No wonder she was so good in All the Boys Love Mandy Lane knowing what we know now

:joker:

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/07/13/09/30700424-0-image-a-28_1594630671636.jpg
Johnny as he went in today

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/07/13/09/30700366-8516697-Amber_Heard_outside_the_High_Court_last_Friday-a-29_1594630671638.jpg

Amber as she went in the side entrance.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8517153/Johnny-Depp-insists-not-grabbed-Amber-Heard-head.html

Amber was arrested in 2009.

[GoldHeart]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/07/13/09/30700366-8516697-Amber_Heard_outside_the_High_Court_last_Friday-a-29_1594630671638.jpg

Amber as she went in the side entrance.

:yuk::bored:

[Vanessa]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/07/13/09/30700366-8516697-Amber_Heard_outside_the_High_Court_last_Friday-a-29_1594630671638.jpg

Amber as she went in the side entrance.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8517153/Johnny-Depp-insists-not-grabbed-Amber-Heard-head.html

Amber was arrested in 2009.

She's the violent one, not Johnny.
The best thing he ever did is get away from her.

[arista]

[Johnny Depp libel trial: Amber Heard 'punched actor' in row
over birthday party, court hears]

[Depp's head of security, Sean Bett, who was giving
evidence at the actor's libel action trial against
The Sun and its publishers on Thursday morning,
said he documented his boss's bruised face
by taking a picture on his phone.]


https://news.sky.com/story/johnny-depp-libel-trial-amber-heard-punched-actor-in-row-over-birthday-party-court-hears-12029691

[Tom4784]

Apparently Heard's former assistant has claimed that, after telling Heard about being raped, Amber stole the story and made out that it happened to her. Psycho...

https://variety.com/2020/film/global/amber-heard-johnny-depp-assistant-sexual-violence-survivor-1234707688/#:~:text=Kate%20James%2C%20Amber%20Heard's,publish er%20of%20The%20Sun%20newspaper.

[Oliver_W]

Apparently Heard's former assistant has claimed that, after telling Heard about being raped, Amber decided to steal the story and make out that it happened to her. Psycho...

https://variety.com/2020/film/global/amber-heard-johnny-depp-assistant-sexual-violence-survivor-1234707688/#:~:text=Kate%20James%2C%20Amber%20Heard's,publish er%20of%20The%20Sun%20newspaper.

Jesus how disgusting can a person get...

[arista]

Great work of art.


1285157233156919296

[Oliver_W]

She's still bringing the BS, I wish she'd give it up...

[Toy Soldier]

Apparently Heard's former assistant has claimed that, after telling Heard about being raped, Amber stole the story and made out that it happened to her. Psycho...

https://variety.com/2020/film/global/amber-heard-johnny-depp-assistant-sexual-violence-survivor-1234707688/#:~:text=Kate%20James%2C%20Amber%20Heard's,publish er%20of%20The%20Sun%20newspaper.

Hm, I'm starting to wonder if there's actually some sort of mental health issue at play here? A lot of this sounds like things that would get a personality disorder diagnosis (although I find PD diagnoses a bit oversimplistic - it does usually mean there's "something" going on).

But yeah, stealing/adopting other people's stories of trauma (presumably for attention and sympathy) would suggest to me that she's not very healthy, mentally. Nor of course would the tapes that seem to indicate that she firmly believes that physical violence is an important part of a passionate relationship. I'd be very, very surprised if there wasn't a common root for these things. Not that that's Johnny Depp's problem, of course. Just interesting.

[Toy Soldier]

Great work of art.


1285157233156919296

Holy ffff that's the stuff of nightmares Arista.

[Oliver_W]

My uncle's a psychologist and he always says "personality disorders" are a label for someone with nothing diagnosable, but are still a twat :laugh: Like obviously he's over simplifying it and being humorous, but it's not un-true either :joker:

[Toy Soldier]

My uncle's a psychologist and he always says "personality disorders" are a label for someone with nothing diagnosable, but are still a twat :laugh: Like obviously he's over simplifying it and being humorous, but it's not un-true either :joker:

More like... "there's something there but we don't have a specific term for it so we'll just throw it under a blanket diagnosis". So the behaviours that fall under it have an absolutely massive range. It's usually "miscellaneous childhood trauma related stuff" if you start digging.

[Oliver_W]

More like... "there's something there but we don't have a specific term for it so we'll just throw it under a blanket diagnosis". So the behaviours that fall under it have an absolutely massive range. It's usually "miscellaneous childhood trauma related stuff" if you start digging.

Hm, six of one.

[Oliver_W]

Ha, I just thought, the next Fantastic Beasts movie will probably be cancelled upon arrival with Depp, movie Flash, and JK...

[Zizu]

Watching the daily scenes on Sky News it’s clear that Amber’s sisters/ friends are LOVING all the attention and photo opportunities..


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[rusticgal]

Watching the daily scenes on Sky News it’s clear that Amber’s sisters/ friends are LOVING all the attention and photo opportunities..


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They certainly are....I really believe she was the abuser in their relationship.

[arista]

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[Kizzy]

I'm so bored of hearing about these two... with all that's going on in the world two self absorbed celebs can kick the crap out of each other I don't give a toss :/

[Zizu]

I'm so bored of hearing about these two... with all that's going on in the world two self absorbed celebs can kick the crap out of each other I don't give a toss :/



I just don’t see how this can be brought to a conclusion if it’s just going off what both of them claim happened ... or maybe stories told by their biased friends /family


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[arista]

1286679253078159360


Nasty Women.

[MTVN]

In order to take action against a story that appeared on page 20 of the Sun months ago they've given the tabloids days on end of front pages airing all the dirty laundry from their relationship.. is it really worth it

I'm sick of hearing about them tbh

[Niamh.]

In order to take action against a story that appeared on page 20 of the Sun months ago they've given the tabloids days on end of front pages airing all the dirty laundry from their relationship.. is it really worth it



I'm sick of hearing about them tbhYeah same. It seems Amber has history with claims from her ex girlfriend but then I also heard that Johnny Depps relationship with Kate Moss was also "stormy" and I notice she wasn't rushing forward to defend him like his other 2 exes did

[Liam-]

She seems like a deeply unpleasant person

[Cherie]

SIck of the sight of them on the London news every night, why do they need be here at all. They should have been denied entry at this time

[Oliver_W]

In order to take action against a story that appeared on page 20 of the Sun months ago they've given the tabloids days on end of front pages airing all the dirty laundry from their relationship.. is it really worth it

I'm sick of hearing about them tbh
It's all but cleared Johnny's name!! That can only be a good thing.

I read or heard somewhere (can't remember where) that Turd might be jailed for perjury :joker:

[Vanessa]

Johnny Depp is one of my favourite actors.
She has a history of domestic abuse, he doesn't.
I have no doubt that they had a stormy relationship, but I think she was the violent one.

[bots]

i haven't followed this at all. I don't think i missed much :laugh:

[hijaxers]

I'm so bored of hearing about these two... with all that's going on in the world two self absorbed celebs can kick the crap out of each other I don't give a toss :/

Does anyone ? cos i sure don't they are spoilt beyond belief by themselves and the hangers on. The whole lot of em make me puke.

Dan Wooten makes me double puke - i cant even tolerate his voice.

[GoldHeart]

Johnny Depp is one of my favourite actors.
She has a history of domestic abuse, he doesn't.
I have no doubt that they had a stormy relationship, but I think she was the violent one.

Definitely Vanessa , Amber is NO victim and she can stop lying now ! :oh::crazy:

[Kizzy]

This all gives the red tops something else to focus on instead of the response to the ongoing pandemic.

The plebs are loving this it's gold .. fill half of page 1page2, 3 and 4...put covid info in a side note on page 9.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

My uncle's a psychologist and he always says "personality disorders" are a label for someone with nothing diagnosable, but are still a twat :laugh: Like obviously he's over simplifying it and being humorous, but it's not un-true either :joker:

Your uncle sounds like an absolute **** and shouldn’t even be working in that profession

[Tom4784]

I think this story has it's worth, as unpleasant as it is for it's a real life example of some vicious mental abuse and gaslighting. We rarely hear from male victims of domestic abuse and I don't think I've ever known such a high profile case of someone lying about being abused only to end up being the abuser themselves. If the story proves a person's innocence and can potentially help others by highlight abusive behaviours then it's worth occupying time and space in the public's mind.

It's not exactly a fluff piece.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/07/28/16/31294178-8568955-image-a-8_1595951893980.jpg

[Toy Soldier]

I think this story has it's worth, as unpleasant as it is for it's a real life example of some vicious mental abuse and gaslighting. We rarely hear from male victims of domestic abuse and I don't think I've ever known such a high profile case of someone lying about being abused only to end up being the abuser themselves. If the story proves a person's innocence and can potentially help others by highlight abusive behaviours then it's worth occupying time and space in the public's mind.

It's not exactly a fluff piece.Let's be real, all it's going to do at the end of the day is make it even harder for female victims of domestic abuse to be believed and taken seriously. Its unavoidable and no one's fault but Amber Heard's... But that is the sad reality. MRA's and incels and other assorted scum will be chanting "Yeah well, remember what happened with Johnny Depp!" every time a domestic abuse claim comes up.

[Niamh.]

Let's be real, all it's going to do at the end of the day is make it even harder for female victims of domestic abuse to be believed and taken seriously. Its unavoidable and no one's fault but Amber Heard's... But that is the sad reality. MRA's and incels and other assorted scum will be chanting "Yeah well, remember what happened with Johnny Depp!" every time a domestic abuse claim comes up.Yup

[Tom4784]

Let's be real, all it's going to do at the end of the day is make it even harder for female victims of domestic abuse to be believed and taken seriously. Its unavoidable and no one's fault but Amber Heard's... But that is the sad reality. MRA's and incels and other assorted scum will be chanting "Yeah well, remember what happened with Johnny Depp!" every time a domestic abuse claim comes up.

Yes, that's the downside of it but those kinds of people would think that regardless but Amber Heard has certainly made things needlessly harder. I so hope she never works in Hollywood again.

The plus side is that people are going to see the things that Amber Heard has done and probably recognise it as abusive behaviour they see in their own relationships and hopefully that will help them break the cycle since a lot of people might not recognise such behaviour as abuse.

[Kizzy]

I think this story has it's worth, as unpleasant as it is for it's a real life example of some vicious mental abuse and gaslighting. We rarely hear from male victims of domestic abuse and I don't think I've ever known such a high profile case of someone lying about being abused only to end up being the abuser themselves. If the story proves a person's innocence and can potentially help others by highlight abusive behaviours then it's worth occupying time and space in the public's mind.

It's not exactly a fluff piece.
Talking of vicious mental abuse there's no verdict yet, and here you are judge juror and executioner.
It's like the #be kind movement folowing Caroline Flack's suicide never happened....

obviously these two had a very volatile relationship, in this disgusting media circus there are no innocents both have been exposed. Neither are shrinking violets, Winona Ryder and Kate Moss weren't either.. if you attract chaotic people and have turbulent love affairs then the lines of who did what to whom and why are going to get blurred.
Blaming one party in the relationship is not right or fair the both had very glaring faults.

[Tom4784]

Talking of vicious mental abuse there's no verdict yet, and here you are judge juror and executioner.
It's like the #be kind movement folowing Caroline Flack's suicide never happened....

obviously these two had a very volatile relationship, in this disgusting media circus there are no innocents both have been exposed. Neither are shrinking violets, Winona Ryder and Kate Moss weren't either.. if you attract chaotic people and have turbulent love affairs then the lines of who did what to whom and why are going to get blurred.
Blaming one party in the relationship is not right or fair the both had very glaring faults.

I've heard the audio where she basically said that if Johnny went public with what she had done, that no one would believe him. To me, that is abuser speak and compiled with everything else that's come out about her, it's fairly obvious that she is the abuser in this situation. He wanted to leave her, she got crazier and crazier. Abusers don't typically want to give up control which makes Depp less likely to be the abuser in this case since he wanted the relationship to end.

Would you be saying that both sides were at fault if the genders were reversed? If Johnny Depp stepped forward as a victim to begin with but things were revealed that painted Amber Heard as the actual victim, would you be saying both sides were at fault? I'd be blaming Depp just the same as I'm blaming Heard now.

In abusive relationships, one side is always the abuser and the other is reacting to that abuse, It seems very much that Amber Heard preyed on his substance abuse issues and degraded the relationship to the point where he was broken and acting out so that she could act like the victim as she did originally and I believed her. Coercive control, physical abuse, emotional and psychological abuse. From what we've heard, Amber Heard is guilty of all of this. As I've said earlier in the topic, reacting badly to being abused over a period of time doesn't make you as bad as the abuser. There's a whole line of Depp's exes clamouring to his defense although they have no reason to which suggests that his actions in this relationship are an anomaly, a reaction to the abuse he's received at her hands.

To borrow an example from the soaps, as inappropriate as that may be, would you believe that Little Mo from Eastenders and Yasmeen from Corrie are just as abusive as their partners because they fought back? I wouldn't say so at all. When you break people down, they'll act out of character, it doesn't make it right but it doesn't make them abusive either.

[Toy Soldier]

obviously these two had a very volatile relationship, in this disgusting media circus there are no innocents both have been exposed. Neither are shrinking violets, Winona Ryder and Kate Moss weren't either.. if you attract chaotic people and have turbulent love affairs then the lines of who did what to whom and why are going to get blurred.

I think this sort of flirts with the victim-blaming line to be honest Kizzy, which you can see quite clearly if you flip the script. Women who end up in abusive marriages quite often have a history of the same sort of aggressive, abusive boyfriends. Women who get out of abusive relationships quite often, sadly, end up going into yet another abusive relationship after finding themselves drawn once again to the same sort of person, believing that it'll be different.

There are obviously good, very explainable psychological reasons for that and it would be abhorrent for anyone to take an abused woman and say "Umm you've been with this sort of bloke before so you should have known what would happen".

You can only take things for what they are. Maybe some people are attracted to very "intense" individuals. It doesn't make it their fault if they're abused, lessen the severity, or make it questionable. I really can't see the semantic difference in saying "if you attract chaotic women" and "if you attract aggressive men".

[Zizu]

I've heard the audio where she basically said that if Johnny went public with what she had done, that no one would believe him. To me, that is abuser speak and compiled with everything else that's come out about her, it's fairly obvious that she is the abuser in this situation. He wanted to leave her, she got crazier and crazier. Abusers don't typically want to give up control which makes Depp less likely to be the abuser in this case since he wanted the relationship to end.



Would you be saying that both sides were at fault if the genders were reversed? If Johnny Depp stepped forward as a victim to begin with but things were revealed that painted Amber Heard as the actual victim, would you be saying both sides were at fault? I'd be blaming Depp just the same as I'm blaming Heard now.



In abusive relationships, one side is always the abuser and the other is reacting to that abuse, It seems very much that Amber Heard preyed on his substance abuse issues and degraded the relationship to the point where he was broken and acting out so that she could act like the victim as she did originally and I believed her. Coercive control, physical abuse, emotional and psychological abuse. From what we've heard, Amber Heard is guilty of all of this. As I've said earlier in the topic, reacting badly to being abused over a period of time doesn't make you as bad as the abuser. There's a whole line of Depp's exes clamouring to his defense although they have no reason to which suggests that his actions in this relationship are an anomaly, a reaction to the abuse he's received at her hands.



To borrow an example from the soaps, as inappropriate as that may be, would you believe that Little Mo from Eastenders and Yasmeen from Corrie are just as abusive as their partners because they fought back? I wouldn't say so at all. When you break people down, they'll act out of character, it doesn't make it right but it doesn't make them abusive either.


Is there a link to the ‘audio’ you mentioned in the first sentence?



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[Ammi]

...I do agree with Dezzy that this isn’t a ‘fluff case’, it is a case of some interest...I haven’t commented on it because I hadn’t known of their ‘stormy’ relationship until recently but also I want to try to hold on to a more neutral mindset to see what the outcome is...It’s interesting though that in cases of assault which are sexual, as opposed to domestic abuse, in particular, rape cases...?..a female is much less thought if as the victim and very much the ‘subject of the trial herself’...Whereas it’s not a ‘natural leaning’ to see the female as anything other than the victim in a situation like this...

[Kizzy]

I've heard the audio where she basically said that if Johnny went public with what she had done, that no one would believe him. To me, that is abuser speak and compiled with everything else that's come out about her, it's fairly obvious that she is the abuser in this situation. He wanted to leave her, she got crazier and crazier. Abusers don't typically want to give up control which makes Depp less likely to be the abuser in this case since he wanted the relationship to end.

Would you be saying that both sides were at fault if the genders were reversed? If Johnny Depp stepped forward as a victim to begin with but things were revealed that painted Amber Heard as the actual victim, would you be saying both sides were at fault? I'd be blaming Depp just the same as I'm blaming Heard now.

In abusive relationships, one side is always the abuser and the other is reacting to that abuse, It seems very much that Amber Heard preyed on his substance abuse issues and degraded the relationship to the point where he was broken and acting out so that she could act like the victim as she did originally and I believed her. Coercive control, physical abuse, emotional and psychological abuse. From what we've heard, Amber Heard is guilty of all of this. As I've said earlier in the topic, reacting badly to being abused over a period of time doesn't make you as bad as the abuser. There's a whole line of Depp's exes clamouring to his defense although they have no reason to which suggests that his actions in this relationship are an anomaly, a reaction to the abuse he's received at her hands.

To borrow an example from the soaps, as inappropriate as that may be, would you believe that Little Mo from Eastenders and Yasmeen from Corrie are just as abusive as their partners because they fought back? I wouldn't say so at all. When you break people down, they'll act out of character, it doesn't make it right but it doesn't make them abusive either.
I think your painting of him as some worn down victim is a reach. There's probably more artistic licence used in your post than there is in corrie :laugh:
We'll see what the real verdict is.

[bots]

i know nothing of this story, but i've always thought Depp was an unpleasant arse

[Kizzy]

I think this sort of flirts with the victim-blaming line to be honest Kizzy, which you can see quite clearly if you flip the script. Women who end up in abusive marriages quite often have a history of the same sort of aggressive, abusive boyfriends. Women who get out of abusive relationships quite often, sadly, end up going into yet another abusive relationship after finding themselves drawn once again to the same sort of person, believing that it'll be different.

There are obviously good, very explainable psychological reasons for that and it would be abhorrent for anyone to take an abused woman and say "Umm you've been with this sort of bloke before so you should have known what would happen".

You can only take things for what they are. Maybe some people are attracted to very "intense" individuals. It doesn't make it their fault if they're abused, lessen the severity, or make it questionable. I really can't see the semantic difference in saying "if you attract chaotic women" and "if you attract aggressive men".
Victim blaming?...

As I've said before the verdict there's the insistence he is 100% the victim here, you might have cemented that in your mind..it doesn't naturally follow everyone else has.

There is no 'script' no relationship is uniformly like another. I appreciate that women can be abusers which seems to be what the last couple of posts are hammering home. As I said we don't as yet know this is the case as there have been accusations from both parties of abuse in this ongoing case.

I really don't like the way you are attempting to put words in my mouth here, I'm not blaming either party until the trial is over.

My point there was if you are chaotic and have a certain lifestyle you meet like minded people, the relationships can be passionate, intense but burn out. That MAY be the case here. I'm just taking part in a debate about it and that is my opinion at the moment based on the findings so far.

[Tom4784]

I think your painting of him as some worn down victim is a reach. There's probably more artistic licence used in your post than there is in corrie :laugh:
We'll see what the real verdict is.

I think you're letting your biases colour your view of the case, tbh. I'm certainly not making things up like you're suggesting. Do you think that Depp cannot be the victim here because he is a man? 'Cus that's what it sounds like.

By all accounts, Amber Heard is a monster, she berated him and told him he wouldn't be believed if he went public with everything, she cut off part of his finger with a vodka bottle, she seemed to regularly target his vulnerabilities by needling his addiction issues and she has admitted to being violent towards him. There's evidence submitted in the trial of texts that show Heard begging Depp to come home and him refusing to do so since he didn't want to be attacked anymore. Abusers don't like to give up control, and Amber was losing control in that situation.

She's lied through her backteeth, she used the metoo movement for her own benefit, she co-opted someone else's rape story for her own 'benefit' and her version of events have been disputed by most of Johnny Depp's exes who would have no reason to lie about their own experiences.

Abusers don't become abusers suddenly, there's always a history of it and if Amber Heard was telling the truth, then chances are, the people standing in his corner would have seen or experienced abusive behaviour from him in their relationships with him.

From everything we've heard so far, it feels wrong to say both sides were as bad as each other. You'd have to disregard a lot of evidence to make that narrative work.

[Kizzy]

I think you're letting your biases colour your view of the case, tbh. I'm certainly not making things up like you're suggesting. Do you think that Depp cannot be the victim here because he is a man? 'Cus that's what it sounds like.

By all accounts, Amber Heard is a monster, she berated him and told him he wouldn't be believed if he went public with everything, she cut off part of his finger with a vodka bottle, she seemed to regularly target his vulnerabilities by needling his addiction issues and she has admitted to being violent towards him. There's evidence submitted in the trial of texts that show Heard begging Depp to come home and him refusing to do so since he didn't want to be attacked anymore. Abusers don't like to give up control, and Amber was losing control in that situation.

She's lied through her backteeth, she used the metoo movement for her own benefit, she co-opted someone else's rape story for her own 'benefit' and her version of events have been disputed by most of Johnny Depp's exes who would have no reason to lie about their own experiences.

Abusers don't become abusers suddenly, there's always a history of it and if Amber Heard was telling the truth, then chances are, the people standing in his corner would have seen or experienced abusive behaviour from him in their relationships with him.

From everything we've heard so far, it feels wrong to say both sides were as bad as each other. You'd have to disregard a lot of evidence to make that narrative work.

I'm biased because I don't subscribe to your view of Heard.
I've never suggested Depp can't be a victim at all. As far as I see it so far they are both abusers and victims in a toxic relationship.

Hollywood is not known as a place where people are treated fairly as a rule is it? Gagging orders, black listing, settlements, the backlash from fans...who in their right mind would take on an A lister unless they had to?

I still say there are faults on both sides, you would also have to disregard some statements to refute that.

[Niamh.]

I would be interested in hearing what Kate Moss had to say about it actually, we've heard from Winona Ryder and Vanessa Paradis but Kate has stayed very quiet and there was an allegation made that he pushed her down a flight of stairs during their relationship. The allegation was made by Amber heard though, granted however you would think kate Moss would say something about it? Or maybe she has since?

[Tom4784]

I'm biased because I don't subscribe to your view of Heard.
I've never suggested Depp can't be a victim at all. As far as I see it so far they are both abusers and victims in a toxic relationship.

Hollywood is not known as a place where people are treated fairly as a rule is it? Gagging orders, black listing, settlements, the backlash from fans...who in their right mind would take on an A lister unless they had to?

I still say there are faults on both sides, you would also have to disregard some statements to refute that.

You're biased because you seem to be disregarding a lot of evidence that suggests that Amber was the abuser.

Amber Heard benefited a lot from using the metoo movement, lots of endorsements and **** came from that raised profile. The world pretty much believed her completely, I believed her. Johnny Depp was cancelled, he lost his most lucrative consistent role in Captain Jack, his reputation was in tatters and Fantastic Beasts had to weather a storm of bad press because they kept him on board. She told him the world wouldn't believe him and she was right, she knew what she was doing from the off.

If you didn't disregard a lot of what's been said, you'd know that Amber Heard was no shrinking violet, terrified of taking on Depp in public. She knew how to play the game and she played it. Luckily, she's terrible at covering her tracks and it's all since blown up in her face.

At the end of the day, if the genders were reversed and Depp was the abuser, I wouldn't say that Heard was just as abusive for defending herself, people snap when they are abused and if she lashed out at him after so much abuse then I wouldn't make out that they were both abusers because they clearly wouldn't be and it would be hypocritical to think differently if you switched the genders back.

I thought he was guilty as **** when all this came out in 2016, but I simply can't see the evidence that has come to light and think that he is the abuser or that he's just as bad as she is. She was the abuser in this relationship based on everything I've seen.

[Tom4784]

I would be interested in hearing what Kate Moss had to say about it actually, we've heard from Winona Ryder and Vanessa Paradis but Kate has stayed very quiet and there was an allegation made that he pushed her down a flight of stairs during their relationship. The allegation was made by Amber heard though, granted however you would think kate Moss would say something about it? Or maybe she has since?

If Amber Heard told me that grass was green, I'd go outside to check.

I wonder if she's said something privately, like a private deposition or something. I'd assume, by her silence, that she's probably not interested in getting involved. If she made that accusation, I'd believe her but given this has only come from Amber Heard, i'd need solid evidence to give it the time of day.

[Liam-]

The difference in reaction to a man being accused of domestic abuse and a woman being accused is staggering, but not at all surprising

[Nicky91]

i believe Johnny, not Amber


but more because i personally don't see him being the type of guy who hits women


but probably my bias that i know him better than Amber, in terms of how much movies i've seen comparing both then

[Niamh.]

If Amber Heard told me that grass was green, I'd go outside to check.

I wonder if she's said something privately, like a private deposition or something. I'd assume, by her silence, that she's probably not interested in getting involved. If she made that accusation, I'd believe her but given this has only come from Amber Heard, i'd need solid evidence to give it the time of day.

Oh I know, it's just that if someone made that claim about an ex of mine and it wasn't true I'd have something to say about it. But yeah maybe she has said something already, I would just like to know if that particular point is true or not

[Niamh.]

The difference in reaction to a man being accused of domestic abuse and a woman being accused is staggering, but not at all surprising

tbf they're both being accused of it Liam

[Kizzy]

You're biased because you seem to be disregarding a lot of evidence that suggests that Amber was the abuser.

Amber Heard benefited a lot from using the metoo movement, lots of endorsements and **** came from that raised profile. The world pretty much believed her completely, I believed her. Johnny Depp was cancelled, he lost his most lucrative consistent role in Captain Jack, his reputation was in tatters and Fantastic Beasts had to weather a storm of bad press because they kept him on board. She told him the world wouldn't believe him and she was right, she knew what she was doing from the off.

If you didn't disregard a lot of what's been said, you'd know that Amber Heard was no shrinking violet, terrified of taking on Depp in public. She knew how to play the game and she played it. Luckily, she's terrible at covering her tracks and it's all since blown up in her face.

At the end of the day, if the genders were reversed and Depp was the abuser, I wouldn't say that Heard was just as abusive for defending herself, people snap when they are abused and if she lashed out at him after so much abuse then I wouldn't make out that they were both abusers because they clearly wouldn't be and it would be hypocritical to think differently if you switched the genders back.

I thought he was guilty as **** when all this came out in 2016, but I simply can't see the evidence that has come to light and think that he is the abuser or that he's just as bad as she is. She was the abuser in this relationship based on everything I've seen.

I'm not biased because I have acknowledged it...I've stated there is fault on both sides I don't know how much clearer you want me to be on that.

I haven't disregarded anything, and stated very clearly that neither are shrinking violets.
I know how much you hate whataboutism so your analogy is pointless. If anything you are coming across biased as you haven't taken one single witness statement into account in her favour. You may have written her off as an abuser but what reason could they have for speaking out?.. the backlash must be immense.

[Toy Soldier]

Victim blaming?...



As I've said before the verdict there's the insistence he is 100% the victim here, you might have cemented that in your mind..it doesn't naturally follow everyone else has.



There is no 'script' no relationship is uniformly like another. I appreciate that women can be abusers which seems to be what the last couple of posts are hammering home. As I said we don't as yet know this is the case as there have been accusations from both parties of abuse in this ongoing case.



I really don't like the way you are attempting to put words in my mouth here, I'm not blaming either party until the trial is over.



My point there was if you are chaotic and have a certain lifestyle you meet like minded people, the relationships can be passionate, intense but burn out. That MAY be the case here. I'm just taking part in a debate about it and that is my opinion at the moment based on the findings so far.I don't think he's 100% the victim, I think there are certainly indications of a mutually physically violent relationship. But to be specific, you said;

"if you attract chaotic people and have turbulent love affairs then the lines of who did what to whom and why are going to get blurred."

I don't think this is a good path to go down. I don't think it would (or should) be accepted as reasoning for a woman in an abusive relationship or rally any other abusive scenario... It's basically saying "Well, if you get involved with that sort of person, what do you expect? You chose that type of person so how can we believe the fault wasn't on both sides?"

I'm not saying that some fault ISN'T on both sides, I just am unsure about the reasoning that it "must be" because of "attracting chaotic people".

[Oliver_W]

I don't think he's 100% the victim, I think there are certainly indications of a mutually physically violent relationship. But to be specific, you said;

"if you attract chaotic people and have turbulent love affairs then the lines of who did what to whom and why are going to get blurred."

I don't think this is a good path to go down. I don't think it would (or should) be accepted as reasoning for a woman in an abusive relationship or rally any other abusive scenario... It's basically saying "Well, if you get involved with that sort of person, what do you expect? You chose that type of person so how can we believe the fault wasn't on both sides?"

I'm not saying that some fault ISN'T on both sides, I just am unsure about the reasoning that it "must be" because of "attracting chaotic people".

Yup, it's like blaming a rape victim for wearing a short skirt.

Obviously it takes two to tangle, but no-one who's heard or read more than a little about this case can put more than an iota blame on Depp.

[Vanessa]

Johnny is not a violent man.
If anything, he was probably defending himself from her.
If someone goes to hit me, I'm going to try to stop them.
I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

[Kizzy]

I don't think he's 100% the victim, I think there are certainly indications of a mutually physically violent relationship. But to be specific, you said;

"if you attract chaotic people and have turbulent love affairs then the lines of who did what to whom and why are going to get blurred."

I don't think this is a good path to go down. I don't think it would (or should) be accepted as reasoning for a woman in an abusive relationship or rally any other abusive scenario... It's basically saying "Well, if you get involved with that sort of person, what do you expect? You chose that type of person so how can we believe the fault wasn't on both sides?"

I'm not saying that some fault ISN'T on both sides, I just am unsure about the reasoning that it "must be" because of "attracting chaotic people".
Well that's you getting bogged down in the semantics of my post and not listening to what I'm saying. I did clarify that after too. My point was and is they are chaotic characters and as such attracted to one another.

So your suggestions of victim blaming are misplaced.

[Marsh.]

Talking of vicious mental abuse there's no verdict yet, and here you are judge juror and executioner.
It's like the #be kind movement folowing Caroline Flack's suicide never happened....

obviously these two had a very volatile relationship, in this disgusting media circus there are no innocents both have been exposed. Neither are shrinking violets, Winona Ryder and Kate Moss weren't either.. if you attract chaotic people and have turbulent love affairs then the lines of who did what to whom and why are going to get blurred.
Blaming one party in the relationship is not right or fair the both had very glaring faults.

You don't need to be a shrinking violet to be an abuse victim. I know you're not outright saying you have to be but statements like that really don't help.

The lines are blurred because they're three-dimensional human beings with complex personalities and relationship histories and not the cardboard cutout good and bad guy. It's not really a reason to say neither can be or are victims of abuse. It just doesn't work that way.

When calling out abuse, it isn't excusing the other person's faults. It's calling out abuse.

I'm biased because I don't subscribe to your view of Heard.
I've never suggested Depp can't be a victim at all. As far as I see it so far they are both abusers and victims in a toxic relationship.

Hollywood is not known as a place where people are treated fairly as a rule is it? Gagging orders, black listing, settlements, the backlash from fans...who in their right mind would take on an A lister unless they had to?

I still say there are faults on both sides, you would also have to disregard some statements to refute that.

She's clearly not a woman in her right mind, and regardless of what anyone thinks of either of them she has told countless lies and painted herself as the victim she never was, so she "took on" the Hollywood A-lister when she didn't need to. If she was a victim of his abuse she wouldn't have needed to lie and invent stories or make threats that no one would believe him if her claims were genuine.

[Kizzy]

You don't need to be a shrinking violet to be an abuse victim. I know you're not outright saying you have to be but statements like that really don't help.

The lines are blurred because they're three-dimensional human beings with complex personalities and relationship histories and not the cardboard cutout good and bad guy. It's not really a reason to say neither can be or are victims of abuse. It just doesn't work that way.

When calling out abuse, it isn't excusing the other person's faults. It's calling out abuse.



She's clearly not a woman in her right mind, and regardless of what anyone thinks of either of them she has told countless lies and painted herself as the victim she never was, so she "took on" the Hollywood A-lister when she didn't need to. If she was a victim of his abuse she wouldn't have needed to lie and invent stories or make threats that no one would believe him if her claims were genuine.

Not sure what your argument is here... saying they are both at fault means both are victims and abusers...
I can make that statement if I like whether it 'helps' or not.
It's not your call to suggest the debate can't include the opinion that they have both contributed to and been impacted by their own destructive tendencies. As well as being physically and mentally damaged by the actions of the other.

My view takes the fact that people are multifaceted and there isn't one abuser and one victim.. regardless of gender.

The phrase 'took on' was not directed towards amber it was those who provided statements for her in her defence. Whatever you think of her and the validity of her version these people are in a court of law to say she is right to say that... if she is making the whole thing up why would they 'take on ' Depp?

[Marsh.]

Not sure what your argument is here... saying they are both at fault means both are victims and abusers...
I can make that statement if I like whether it 'helps' or not.
It's not your call to suggest the debate can't include the opinion that they have both contributed to and been impacted by their own destructive tendencies. As well as being physically and mentally damaged by the actions of the other.

My view takes the fact that people are multifaceted and there isn't one abuser and one victim.. regardless of gender.

The phrase 'took on' was not directed towards amber it was those who provided statements for her in her defence. Whatever you think of her and the validity of her version these people are in a court of law to say she is right to say that... if she is making the whole thing up why would they 'take on ' Depp?

I never said you couldn't contribute whatever you want to contribute. I find that kind of response on this forum ridiculous. Disagreeing with what you are saying is not telling you you're not allowed to say it.

I gave my thoughts on what you said and how I found it reductive to the nature of abuse. "They're both abusers and victims" is reductive. That's my opinion.
I said they both have faults because they're human beings and not good/bad caricatures. That doesn't equate to them being equally to blame for abuse.

Why do I think 'they' would take on Depp? Who?
Her team? Money.
An abuser's web of lies doesn't just stop with their partner.

The Sun? Money.
The Sun are the ones on trial here.

[Kizzy]

I never said you couldn't contribute whatever you want to contribute. I find that kind of response on this forum ridiculous. Disagreeing with what you are saying is not telling you you're not allowed to say it.

I gave my thoughts on what you said and how I found it reductive to the nature of abuse. "They're both abusers and victims" is reductive. That's my opinion.
I said they both have faults because they're human beings and not good/bad caricatures. That doesn't equate to them being equally to blame for abuse.

Why do I think 'they' would take on Depp? Who?
Her team? Money.
An abuser's web of lies doesn't just stop with their partner.

The Sun? Money.
The Sun are the ones on trial here.
I don't care what you find ridiculous... I've made my point clear if you don't agree I'm really not bothered.
It's not reductive it's stating the obvious, now not only is she abusing Depp she's abusing all her friends to do her bidding?

The hate this woman is getting is crazy. This whole thing is crazy... the verdict will he very interesting I've nothing further to add till then. The use of language in this thread is rather unsettling imo.

[Marsh.]

I don't care what you find ridiculous... I've made my point clear if you don't agree I'm really not bothered.
It's not reductive it's stating the obvious, now not only is she abusing Depp she's abusing all her friends to do her bidding?

The hate this woman is getting is crazy. This whole thing is crazy... the verdict will he very interesting I've nothing further to add till then. The use of language in this thread is rather unsettling imo.

I don't need you to care. It's a discussion thread and I'll reply to any posts I choose and add my thoughts on the whole thing. :laugh:

It's not only you who can do that. Try to keep it about the topic and less about me. I don't need your approval to add my own opinion, it's not all about you.

Did I say she was abusing her friends? I said abuser's lie? Do you not think it reasonable to suggest an abuser wouldn't discuss their abuse casually with friends and family and lying to those people would also be involved? Not sure why it has to be cartoon villainy for her to be an abuser. Almost like you don't really believe he can be a victim because he's a Hollywood A lister. Ridiculous.

I find an abuser being a liar is also pretty damn obvious. And no shrinking violets needed.

The verdict will be interesting, but not really definitive either way considering Depp and Heard are not the ones on trial.

[Kizzy]

I don't need you to care. It's a discussion thread and I'll reply to any posts I choose and add my thoughts on the whole thing. :laugh:

It's not only you who can do that. Try to keep it about the topic and less about me. I don't need your approval to add my own opinion, it's not all about you.

Did I say she was abusing her friends? I said abuser's lie? Do you not think it reasonable to suggest an abuser wouldn't discuss their abuse casually with friends and family and lying to those people would also be involved? Not sure why it has to be cartoon villainy for her to be an abuser. Almost like you don't really believe he can be a victim because he's a Hollywood A lister. Ridiculous.

I find an abuser being a liar is also pretty damn obvious. And no shrinking violets needed.

The verdict will be interesting, but not really definitive either way considering Depp and Heard are not the ones on trial.

So your opinion is to mock my opinion.. and I've to just accept that? ok noted. As I've said made my point on this subject, whatever your view on that is it makes no odds to me. You read into it what you like.

Let's not have another thread with pages of 'I said' 'you said'...it's very boring.

[Tom4784]

Kizzy, calm the **** down.

You're choosing to take a difference of opinion as a personal attack and it's only reflecting badly on you. Don't be one of those stupid people that see an opposing opinion as a denial of your own freedom of speech.

There's absolutely no reason for you to try to drive this topic off the rails like this.

[Marsh.]

So your opinion is to mock my opinion.. and I've to just accept that? ok noted. As I've said made my point on this subject, whatever your view on that is it makes no odds to me. You read into it what you like.

Let's not have another thread with pages of 'I said' 'you said'...it's very boring.

Mock your opinion?

:facepalm:

I disagreed with your opinion and stated why. You accused me of trying to shut you up and then proceeded to mock me by stating how much you don't care what I think. Now suddenly I'm the one being personal? Stop acting like a child.

[Kizzy]

Kizzy, calm the **** down.

You're choosing to take a difference of opinion as a personal attack and it's only reflecting badly on you. Don't be one of those stupid people that see an opposing opinion as a denial of your own freedom of speech.

There's absolutely no reason for you to try to drive this topic off the rails like this.
Here's Mr rational to tell me I'm being hysterical

I'm one of the 'stupid' people for not letting my words be shunted out of context?
Yourself Marsh and TS can have an opinion opposing mine as I said I don't care it makes zero difference to me. I've made my point.

You guys have chosen to railroad me on this thread, then you blame me? Lol

[Kizzy]

Mock your opinion?

:facepalm:

I disagreed with your opinion and stated why. You accused me of trying to shut you up and then proceeded to mock me by stating how much you don't care what I think. Now suddenly I'm the one being personal? Stop acting like a child.
Did I bruise your ego by saying I don't care what you think?...guess what?




I don't care. For the final time I've made my point here and I see you have too...There's nothing more to be said.

[Marsh.]

Did I bruise your ego by saying I don't care what you think?...guess what?




I don't care. For the final time I've made my point here and I see you have too...There's nothing more to be said.

Bruise my ego? :laugh2:

No I was just pointing out in your effort to victimise yourself that you were the one mocking and getting personal, not me. Clearly you have an issue with someone quoting you on a public forum, disagreeing and stating why and take it as a signal that you can't share your opinion. Newsflash, it's not.

Give your head a wobble.

[Marsh.]

Here's Mr rational to tell me I'm being hysterical

I'm one of the 'stupid' people for not letting my words be shunted out of context?
Yourself Marsh and TS can have an opinion opposing mine as I said I don't care it makes zero difference to me. I've made my point.

You guys have chosen to railroad me on this thread, then you blame me? Lol

Oh so I got snappy Kizzy because I dared disagree after two other members had disagreed previously? Did that bruise your ego?

[Tom4784]

Here's Mr rational to tell me I'm being hysterical

I'm one of the 'stupid' people for not letting my words be shunted out of context?
Yourself Marsh and TS can have an opinion opposing mine as I said I don't care it makes zero difference to me. I've made my point.

You guys have chosen to railroad me on this thread, then you blame me? Lol

You're being utterly bizarre.

You're choosing to take opinions that aren't in allignment with yours as an attack on your right to an opinion. An opposing opinion is not an attempt at silencing you.

No one is railroading you, no one is silencing you, I just have an opinion that's different to yours so drop the victim act and just stick to the topic.

[Kizzy]

Look at you.. telling me I'm bizarre, insisting my view is wrong, accusing me of acting like a victim.

What was it you said earlier about gaslighting?

[Kizzy]

Bruise my ego? :laugh2:

No I was just pointing out in your effort to victimise yourself that you were the one mocking and getting personal, not me. Clearly you have an issue with someone quoting you on a public forum, disagreeing and stating why and take it as a signal that you can't share your opinion. Newsflash, it's not.

Give your head a wobble.

See above.

[Tom4784]

Look at you.. telling me I'm bizarre, insisting my view is wrong, accusing me of acting like a victim.

What was it you said earlier about gaslighting?

Where did I tell you your views are wrong? Point them out to me, go on. I'm waiting.

[Marsh.]

See above.

You accused me of shedding you of your right to an opinion and mocking you because I disagreed with you by telling me my opinion was not welcome.

Then tried to change the story to make that my issue. :laugh:

I can assure you it's yours.

[Kizzy]

Where did I tell you your views are wrong? Point them out to me, go on. I'm waiting.

'No one is railroading you'... That's my view here. I never mentioned being silenced either. That's you projecting what you want into my posts.

The micro aggression in your post is noted too, if you have to wait for my response so be it.

[Kizzy]

You accused me of shedding you of your right to an opinion and mocking you because I disagreed with you by telling me my opinion was not welcome.

Then tried to change the story to make that my issue. :laugh:

I can assure you it's yours.

Nope.. I accused you of mocking my opinion suggesting it was 'reductive'. That's not your opinion on the case, that's your opinion of my opinion. ... which is why I don't care about it, you getting salty about that is your issue.

[Marsh.]

Nope.. I accused you of mocking my opinion suggesting it was 'reductive'. That's not your opinion on the case, that's your opinion of my opinion. ... which is why I don't care about it, you getting salty about that is your issue.

Commenting on what other people post is pretty much the point of debate Kizzy. If you can't handle that, that's on you.

I found your point reductive and explained why, am I not allowed to say that? I don't need you to "care" in order for me to join the debate. :unsure:

I might come across "salty" because you're accusing me of trying to shut you down by attempts at shutting me down. You've literally wasted a page of this thread now with off topic bullsh*t because you're very sensitive that anyone dare think something you said was wrong.

So either defend your stance on the topic or move on, I'm not defending my right to comment again. The issue is with you now. :)

[Kizzy]

Commenting on what other people post is pretty much the point of debate Kizzy. If you can't handle that, that's on you.

I found your point reductive and explained why, am I not allowed to say that? I don't need you to "care" in order for me to join the debate. :unsure:

I might come across "salty" because you're accusing me of trying to shut you down by attempts at shutting me down. You've literally wasted a page of this thread now with off topic bullsh*t because you're very sensitive that anyone dare think something you said was wrong.

So either defend your stance on the topic or move on, I'm not defending my right to comment again. The issue is with you now. :)

The posts are there to be read Marsh. ..I dont have to do anything in defence, I've nothing to defend. My stance is clear and rational.

The attempts to disect them as proof of bias, victim blaming or being in some way reductive is noted but not accepted.

How you interpret my comments does not and will not alter my intention. You can say it, and I can take your manipulation as mockery if I wish.

Anyone is free to project what they like into my posts, I will obviously make reference to it. I see you have disregarded my responses as 'bull****' to me that is reductive.

[Marsh.]

The posts are there to be read Marsh. ..I dont have to do anything in defence, I've nothing to defend. My stance is clear and rational.

The attempts to disect them as proof of bias, victim blaming or being in some way reductive is noted but not accepted.

How you interpret my comments does not and will not alter my intention. You can say it, and I can take your manipulation as mockery if I wish.

Anyone is free to project what they like into my posts, I will obviously make reference to it. I see you have disregarded my responses as 'bull****' to me that is reductive.

Right so you've understood what an opinion is.

Great.

[Kizzy]

Right so you've understood what an opinion is.

Great.

And you understand what mockery is...everybody wins.

[Marsh.]

And you understand what mockery is...everybody wins.

Wrong.

[Kizzy]

Wrong.

Lol

[Tom4784]

'No one is railroading you'... That's my view here. I never mentioned being silenced either. That's you projecting what you want into my posts.

The micro aggression in your post is noted too, if you have to wait for my response so be it.

And my view is that you weren't being railroaded, you had people disagreeing with you and you couldn't handle it. Opinions are a two way street and you're going on a rampage because you can't handle my view. Grow up.

You speak of projection and then you once again infer something that wasn't there... I just have to laugh at the hypocrisy.

[Vanessa]

I just think her story doesn't add up.
When she said she was hit, the people who were there said that she had no bruised at the time its supposed to have happened.
And she was recorded saying that he wouldn't be believed that he was a victim of abuse.
Let's remember that she has a history of domestic abuse and he doesn't.

[Kizzy]

And my view is that you weren't being railroaded, you had people disagreeing with you and you couldn't handle it. Opinions are a two way street and you're going on a rampage because you can't handle my view. Grow up.

You speak of projection and then you once again infer something that wasn't there... I just have to laugh at the hypocrisy.

Unfortunately you don't get to choose whether I feel I was being railroaded or not dezzy.
Once again that's a gaslighting technique.

[Tom4784]

Unfortunately you don't get to choose whether I feel I was being railroaded or not dezzy.
Once again that's a gaslighting technique.

Point out where I told you what you were feeling, you can't because, again, you're stuffing words down my throat.

You accused me of railroading you, I disagree because I'm just sharing my views and I think you've reacted badly to an opposing opinion. If you're so damn defensive that you see an opinion that doesn't align with yours as an attack on your right to an opinion, that's not my problem and trying to make out that it is will not work.

At this point, you're just reverse gaslighting, you're making out that I'm the gaslighter while shoving words down my throat and disregarding what I say to paint your own narrative.

[Toy Soldier]

"You're gaslighting me!"
"No, you're gaslighting ME!"
"Your accusation of gaslighting is gaslighting!"

... ... come on guys, the word is losing all meaning at this point.

[Kizzy]

Point out where I told you what you were feeling, you can't because, again, you're stuffing words down my throat.

You accused me of railroading you, I disagree because I'm just sharing my views and I think you've reacted badly to an opposing opinion. If you're so damn defensive that you see an opinion that doesn't align with yours as an attack on your right to an opinion, that's not my problem and trying to make out that it is will not work.

At this point, you're just reverse gaslighting, you're making out that I'm the gaslighter while shoving words down my throat and disregarding what I say to paint your own narrative.

Dez...babe... you accused me of being biased and unable to see Depp as a victim because he is a man.

If that's not skewing my opinion to paint your narrative I don't know what is.

I'm allowed to defend myself and to feel railroaded because guess what? You're still railroading me.

[Tom4784]

Dez...babe... you accused me of being biased and unable to see Depp as a victim because he is a man.

If that's not skewing my opinion to paint your narrative I don't know what is.

I'm allowed to defend myself and to feel railroaded because guess what? You're still railroading me.

Actually, I asked you if you would have thought differently if the situation was reversed. I did say you were letting biases colour your view but instead of screeching about how people were railroading you, you could have simply argued why I was wrong but no, you have to play the victim and act like people are attacking you for not agreeing with you. It's boring and it's so ****ing weak.

Since you're incapable of it, I'm just going to be the adult in this situation and stick you on ignore and walk away. I don't think you have anything of value left to add at this point beyond baseless accusations towards members instead of compelling arguments.

[Kizzy]

Actually, I asked you if you would have thought differently if the situation was reversed. I did say you were letting biases colour your view but instead of screeching about how people were railroading you, you could have simply argued why I was wrong but no, you have to play the victim and act like people are attacking you for not agreeing with you. It's boring and it's so ****ing weak.

Since you're incapable of it, I'm just going to be the adult in this situation and stick you on ignore and walk away. I don't think you have anything of value left to add at this point beyond baseless accusations towards members instead of compelling arguments.

Can you hear yourself?... I'm screeching and weak now, because you feel I have to justify to you why I'm not biased. ...why would i do that and pander to your misinterpretation?

I have plenty of value left to offer the thread in my unbiased opinion.
Put me on ignore if you like it seems it would be for the best.