Judge has stated Shamima Begum (Isis ) can return to UK to challenge

[arista]

Just Live on LBC


But only to appeal the original charge
so far.

Challenge



[Shamima Begum: Court rules Isis bride can
return to UK to challenge removal of British citizenship
The 20-year-old left the UK in 2015 and lived
under Isis rule for more than three years before
she was found in a refugee camp]

https://news.sky.com/story/shamima-begum-court-rules-is-bride-can-return-to-uk-to-challenge-removal-of-british-citizenship-12029526

[caprimint]

****ing trash

[DouglasS]

We don’t want her!

[Livia]

How many more appeals I wonder, before some bleeding heart decides she should come home.

[arista]

We don’t want her!


But her lawyers
will say she was born in England

[The Slim Reaper]

How many more appeals I wonder, before some bleeding heart decides she should come home.

That's not really how the legal profession works, is it?

[Tom4784]

Her child deserved a chance to grow up and live a normal life but since he is gone, she made her choice and she should live with it.

[user104658]

The point remains as it always has been: she has to be somewhere, she was born in England, she is English, she should be in a prison in England.

"We don't want her" isn't a valid argument, "not wanting her" doesn't mean we get to palm a UK citizen off on another country. Imagine the screeching if other countries tried to insist their criminals should be locked up in the UK :joker:. Hypocrisy. The same people sayi g "we don't want her" would be insisting we "send their criminals back where they came from".

Of course, we did this topic to death round and round in circles back when it was first an issue and it was constantly turned into a "bleeding heart" strawman so... Let's see how this one goes.

[Niamh.]

The point remains as it always has been: she has to be somewhere, she was born in England, she is English, she should be in a prison in England.

"We don't want her" isn't a valid argument, "not wanting her" doesn't mean we get to palm a UK citizen off on another country. Imagine the screeching if other countries tried to insist their criminals should be locked up in the UK :joker:. Hypocrisy. The same people sayi g "we don't want her" would be insisting we "send their criminals back where they came from".

Of course, we did this topic to death round and round in circles back when it was first an issue and it was constantly turned into a "bleeding heart" strawman so... Let's see how this one goes.

Yeah exactly this.

[The Slim Reaper]

The point remains as it always has been: she has to be somewhere, she was born in England, she is English, she should be in a prison in England.

"We don't want her" isn't a valid argument, "not wanting her" doesn't mean we get to palm a UK citizen off on another country. Imagine the screeching if other countries tried to insist their criminals should be locked up in the UK :joker:. Hypocrisy. The same people sayi g "we don't want her" would be insisting we "send their criminals back where they came from".

Of course, we did this topic to death round and round in circles back when it was first an issue and it was constantly turned into a "bleeding heart" strawman so... Let's see how this one goes.

Bang on right.

[Livia]

The point remains as it always has been: she has to be somewhere, she was born in England, she is English, she should be in a prison in England.

"We don't want her" isn't a valid argument, "not wanting her" doesn't mean we get to palm a UK citizen off on another country. Imagine the screeching if other countries tried to insist their criminals should be locked up in the UK :joker:. Hypocrisy. The same people sayi g "we don't want her" would be insisting we "send their criminals back where they came from".

Of course, we did this topic to death round and round in circles back when it was first an issue and it was constantly turned into a "bleeding heart" strawman so... Let's see how this one goes.

The bleeding heart comment was meant lightly, although I'm not surprised you bring it up.

[Oliver_W]

Clown world...

[Livia]

That's not really how the legal profession works, is it?

I'm kind of shouted down in here when I refer to the legality of anything. And yet it's still regularly used as a stick to beat me in this playground, isn't it.

[user104658]

The bleeding heart comment was meant lightly, although I'm not surprised you bring it up.I bring it up because, as I said, it was a major feature of the debate when she was first imprisoned. People who said she should be back in the UK because she is the responsibility of the UK, and were quite clear on that being the reasoning, were repeatedly dismissed as "feeling sorry for her".

[Ammi]

...surely it’s that she can return to the U.K. to plead her case, Arista...the thread title isn’t completely accurate...

[caprimint]

Shamima Begum is a formerly British, now Bangladeshi woman.
.

[Livia]

I bring it up because, as I said, it was a major feature of the debate when she was first imprisoned. People who said she should be back in the UK because she is the responsibility of the UK, and were quite clear on that being the reasoning, were repeatedly dismissed as "feeling sorry for her".

Whereas those who imagined their opinion is the only right one, dismissed those those who think she should not be allowed to return as pearl-clutching upholders of the Empire. But thanks... if it wasn't for people taking the piss or trying to get a rise, I'd be on here talking to myself.

[user104658]

.IIRC her citizenship is contested by Bangladesh, just as it is by the UK, which presents an interesting conundrum:

If she returns to The UK on appeal and is held here, and the appeal fails, she surely might end up staying here if Bangladesh refuses to accept her back?

[Niamh.]

I bring it up because, as I said, it was a major feature of the debate when she was first imprisoned. People who said she should be back in the UK because she is the responsibility of the UK, and were quite clear on that being the reasoning, were repeatedly dismissed as "feeling sorry for her".

Yeah exactly, I don't think I read any comments that thought she should be allowed back because they felt sorry for her or thought she should be looked after.

[Nicky91]

inbefore she ends up living in my country, given she's married to a dutch born

[caprimint]

inbefore she ends up living in my country, given she's married to a dutch born
Omg :joker:

[Livia]

inbefore she ends up living in my country, given she's married to a dutch born

You can have her, you know....

[Ammi]

...(..she isn’t being allowed back, that’s still to be determined...she’s allowed to plead her case which will be pleaded in the U.K...)...

[user104658]

Whereas those who imagined their opinion is the only right one, dismissed those those who think she should not be allowed to return as pearl-clutching upholders of the Empire. But thanks... if it wasn't for people taking the piss or trying to get a rise, I'd be on here talking to myself.No one offered a valid argument for why someone born and radicalised in the UK is not the UK's responsibility at the time and no one is now. More importantly; no one even bothered to try. "We don't want her because she's dangerous and that's that" was the extent of the counter-argument. Never any response to why Bangladesh should want her either, other than "that's not our problem". It's not really a debate, is it.

[Ammi]

Yeah exactly, I don't think I read any comments that thought she should be allowed back because they felt sorry for her or thought she should be looked after.

...it’s more that if we in the U.K. say the same of citizens of other countries, that they should be returned etc...we should practice what we preach...

[The Slim Reaper]

I'm kind of shouted down in here when I refer to the legality of anything. And yet it's still regularly used as a stick to beat me in this playground, isn't it.

I've neither shouted you down nor tried to beat you with a stick. You made a statement, and I asked a fair question.

[user104658]

...it’s more that if we in the U.K. say the same of citizens of other countries, that they should be returned etc...we should practice what we preach...Every country in the world that has a prisoner with a British parent should strip their citizenship and put them on a plane to London. The UK has set the precedent so can't really complain (but would, of course, oh so loudly).

[arista]

...surely it’s that she can return to the U.K. to plead her case, Arista...the thread title isn’t completely accurate...


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[Nicky91]

You can have her, you know....

she needs to live somewhere, you know

one more into our country doesn't make a huge difference too

we'll have moronic clown Wilders moaning but no one else in parliament listens to that racist idiot anyway so

[Mitchell]

Every country in the world that has a prisoner with a British parent should strip their citizenship and put them on a plane to London. The UK has set the precedent so can't really complain (but would, of course, oh so loudly).

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[Ammi]

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...yeah, to challenge the decision...so your title is not complete, Arista...and therefore not entirely accurate...

[user104658]

...yeah, to challenge the decision...so your title is not complete, Arista...and therefore not entirely accurate...Clickbait :fist:

[thesheriff443]

She needs a british bullet in the back of her head.

A hate filled breeding machine, who probably killed her kids.

[Niamh.]

...it’s more that if we in the U.K. say the same of citizens of other countries, that they should be returned etc...we should practice what we preach...

Yep for sure. We had to take back an Irish "ISIS Bride" last year.

[Livia]

No one offered a valid argument for why someone born and radicalised in the UK is not the UK's responsibility at the time and no one is now. More importantly; no one even bothered to try. "We don't want her because she's dangerous and that's that" was the extent of the counter-argument. Never any response to why Bangladesh should want her either, other than "that's not our problem". It's not really a debate, is it.



Bangladesh never had any legal responsibility to take her and I'm not sure why that was ever a "plan".

It's my opinion that neither the US nor Europe should be forced to take back ISIS traitors. However, I do think it's our problem and we should go much further is finding a solution but I don't think that solution should be returning them to the country they betrayed in the first place. I really don't know what the answer is, it's kind of uncharted territory. But my instinct is that they should not return.

[Ammi]

Yep for sure. We had to take back an Irish "ISIS Bride" last year.

...I don’t think any of us are entirely comfortable with that idea which is exactly why we can’t expect other countries to be okay with it... life is not one our own terms’, that’s not what it is as much as we may like it to be..

[bots]

i don't know the legal technicalities, so I can't comment really. Rule number 1 is to take the emotion out of it and follow the law

[The Slim Reaper]

She needs a british bullet in the back of her head.

A hate filled breeding machine, who probably killed her kids.

You sure showed her what it means to hate.

[caprimint]

Bangladesh never had any legal responsibility to take her and I'm not sure why that was ever a "plan".

It's my opinion that neither the US nor Europe should be forced to take back ISIS traitors. However, I do think it's our problem and we should go much further is finding a solution but I don't think that solution should be returning them to the country they betrayed in the first place. I really don't know what the answer is, it's kind of uncharted territory. But my instinct is that they should not return.
Yeah I agree with this

[Nicky91]

She needs a british bullet in the back of her head.

A hate filled breeding machine, who probably killed her kids.

her elder two kids no information there


however her youngest child, who was born in refugee camp, cause of death was lung infection (back in March last year)

[Livia]

Every country in the world that has a prisoner with a British parent should strip their citizenship and put them on a plane to London. The UK has set the precedent so can't really complain (but would, of course, oh so loudly).

That's not quite the same thing... is it. We're talking about a woman who left this country voluntarily, to join an organisation intent on destroying us.

[Ammi]

i don't know the legal technicalities, so I can't comment really. Rule number 1 is to take the emotion out of it and follow the law

..and the law says that she’s entitled to plead her case...

[thesheriff443]

You sure showed her what it means to hate.

I don’t hate her it’s the decent thing to do to her and many others.

[Ammi]

...what is thought that ISIS would have done to us is what we should do to her...?...that would make us all of the same level of those we condemn as ‘evil’...

[thesheriff443]

...what is thought that ISIS would have done to us is what we should do to her...?...that would make us all of the same level of those we condemn as ‘evil’...

You reap what you sow ammi.

A dangerous dog gets put to sleep.

[Ammi]

...she is reaping what she’s sowed, which is why shes trying to plead a case right now...

[The Slim Reaper]

You reap what you sow ammi.

A dangerous dog gets put to sleep.

I canine believe it, you should always let sleeping dogs lie.

[Ammi]

I canine believe it, you should always let sleeping dogs lie.

...rule the place with jokes...(..you looney..:laugh:..)...

[user104658]

IMO an attempt should always be made to deprogramme and rehabilitate, if only because doing so successfully would send a much stronger message than anything else. What should happen to her is a totally separate debate though, really.

[thesheriff443]

...she is reaping what she’s sowed, which is why shes trying to plead a case right now...

Yes let’s all give scum bags who wanted see our families killed a second chance and pat ourselves on the back for being so forgiving.

[thesheriff443]

I canine believe it, you should always let sleeping dogs lie.

Yapping away as usual.

[Ammi]

...anyways, the thread title is inaccurate which is inciteful...

[Liam-]

She was born here and radicalised here, our systems failed her so she’s our responsibility, that’s really the crux of it

[bots]

She was born here and radicalised here, our systems failed her so she’s our responsibility, that’s really the crux of it

thats up to the court to decide though isn't it

[The Slim Reaper]

Yes let’s all give scum bags who wanted see our families killed a second chance and pat ourselves on the back for being so forgiving.

Lots of these young girls were/are groomed in the same sort of way a peadophile would groom a child to take advantage of them.

[The Slim Reaper]

Yapping away as usual.

My bad, feeling a bit ruff this morning.

[Ammi]

Yes let’s all give scum bags who wanted see our families killed a second chance and pat ourselves on the back for being so forgiving.

...the reality of life is that ‘second chances’ aren’t up to us, they’re up to the courts and justice systems of the world...there would be no remnants of society to see at all if we condoned ‘bullet to the back of the head’ behaviour...

[thesheriff443]

...the reality of life is that ‘second chances’ aren’t up to us, they’re up to the courts and justice systems of the world...there would be no remnants of society to see at all if we condoned ‘bullet to the back of the head’ behaviour...

Of course the would, there would be a clear line, take an inoccent person life and you lose yours.

People are still murdering innocent people everyday day of the week so prison is no deterrent.

[arista]

...anyways, the thread title is inaccurate which is inciteful...

Title changed

[user104658]

Of course the would, there would be a clear line, take an inoccent person life and you lose yours.



People are still murdering innocent people everyday day of the week so prison is no deterrent.Hmmm even if I did condone the death sentence for murder (I don't, for many reasons) - there is actually no evidence that she has directly killed anyone.

Also, prison not being a deterrent doesn't mean that death sentences would be. There really are only 3 scenarios when someone commits murder

1) The person believes they won't get caught.

2) The person has lost control of logical thought so they aren't considering the consequences.

3) The person just doesn't care any more.


In all three scenarios, attempting to make "a worse deterrent" makes no difference.

[Ammi]

...an eye for an eye didn’t work that well in Biblical times either which is why we evolved a little in our societies and justice systems...they’re not perfect for sure but taking them back to barbaric isn’t the solution to that...

[Marsh.]

Bring her back. Lock her up.

[Ammi]

Title changed

...:love:..so perfectly accurate, thank you so much...

[Cherie]

Bring her back. Lock her up.

Yes I think that now tbh.

[Liam-]

Bring her back. Lock her up.

.

She isn’t going to face justice over there, she should go through our legal system and face the consequences

[thesheriff443]

...an eye for an eye didn’t work that well in Biblical times either which is why we evolved a little in our societies and justice systems...they’re not perfect for sure but taking them back to barbaric isn’t the solution to that...

Allowing murders to live does not make us better people, spend the money on good people who deserve it not those that a took a father mother brother sister or child away from there families.

[thesheriff443]

And the justice system is a joke, a day in prison is worth two days in the outside world how the fcuk can that be right.

Someone gets 10 years and in reality they will be out in five.

[Ammi]

Allowing murders to live does not make us better people, spend the money on good people who deserve it not those that a took a father mother brother sister or child away from there families.

...so far as we’re aware, she’s not a murderer so I don’t get that reference anyway...what she’s been granted is a right to appeal and no one knows the outcome of that...

[UserSince2005]

We all know what that as soon as shes back on british soil we will never get her out again. Bar her.

[The Slim Reaper]

And the justice system is a joke, a day in prison is worth two days in the outside world how the fcuk can that be right.

Someone gets 10 years and in reality they will be out in five.

Prison should be about rehabilitation (wherever possible) and if someone is getting their sentenced halved, it's most likely for good behaviour, not for extra criminality.

[Beso]

How will she get back?

[Cherie]

How will she get back?

Her case is being funded by the taxpayer :laugh:

[Marsh.]

There are far worse people at threat to our country and its people (several of whom scarily in positions of enormous power) than this young, naive, immature fool. Should've served her the consequences from the start so everyone can move on.

[bots]

If the court does allow her to stay, she is condemning her entire family to a lifetime of constant surveillance

[The Slim Reaper]

If the court does allow her to stay, she is condemning her entire family to a lifetime of constant surveillance

You think they aren't already?

[Beso]

Her case is being funded by the taxpayer :laugh:

Ffs!!

[Marsh.]

How will she get back?

First class ISIS Airways

[thesheriff443]

Prison should be about rehabilitation (wherever possible) and if someone is getting their sentenced halved, it's most likely for good behaviour, not for extra criminality.

No sunshine, a day in prison is worth two in the out side world so unless a judge says a minimum sentence they must serve they will be out in by half the sentence.

Repeat offenders treat prison like an occupational hazard.

[Tom4784]

The point remains as it always has been: she has to be somewhere, she was born in England, she is English, she should be in a prison in England.

"We don't want her" isn't a valid argument, "not wanting her" doesn't mean we get to palm a UK citizen off on another country. Imagine the screeching if other countries tried to insist their criminals should be locked up in the UK :joker:. Hypocrisy. The same people sayi g "we don't want her" would be insisting we "send their criminals back where they came from".

Of course, we did this topic to death round and round in circles back when it was first an issue and it was constantly turned into a "bleeding heart" strawman so... Let's see how this one goes.

Pretty much, she made her decision but if she's deported then we have no choice but to take her.

I have no sympathy for her either way, my only sympathy is for her children that never got the chance to live.

[Tom4784]

Allowing murders to live does not make us better people, spend the money on good people who deserve it not those that a took a father mother brother sister or child away from there families.

Using murderers (not even a murderer, in this case) as an outlet for bloodlust doesn't make someone a good person either.

If someone's sitting in their armchair crying out for blood then they are not much better than those they'd condemn.

[The Slim Reaper]

No sunshine, a day in prison is worth two in the out side world so unless a judge says a minimum sentence they must serve they will be out in by half the sentence.

Repeat offenders treat prison like an occupational hazard.

OK buster, does that mean If I go to jail I could live twice as long? :smug:

Quick maffs.

[Jigs]

A high profile case like Shamima's will probably mean she'll need constant supervision in the UK; for her safety and for ours. Saying that, I don't think she's much of a threat to the national security of our country and any issues that come out of this will probably be as a result of people going after her, as opposed to the other way around.

Idk the extent of her extremism but putting her in a specialist detention/rehabilitation center would be a fine way of establishing some positive change whilst also keeping her separate from the GP.

[arista]

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[thesheriff443]

Using murderers (not even a murderer, in this case) as an outlet for bloodlust doesn't make someone a good person either.

If someone's sitting in their armchair crying out for blood then they are not much better than those they'd condemn.

See you are trying to make me into a monster.

To make the world a better place you have to get rid of the bad.

Prison is a holiday camp, that’s if they even get to prison, and early release has allowed those in prison that serves as a threat to go on and murder.

[thesheriff443]

OK buster, does that mean If I go to jail I could live twice as long? :smug:

Quick maffs.

No it means you can get a sentence that is not a real sentence.

Local guy just got sentenced to seven years for killing a 13 year old by knocking him off his bike bike while on drugs.

He got seven years but will be out in 3 and a half.

Is three and a half years all that boys life was worth?

[Kizzy]

The point remains as it always has been: she has to be somewhere, she was born in England, she is English, she should be in a prison in England.

"We don't want her" isn't a valid argument, "not wanting her" doesn't mean we get to palm a UK citizen off on another country. Imagine the screeching if other countries tried to insist their criminals should be locked up in the UK :joker:. Hypocrisy. The same people sayi g "we don't want her" would be insisting we "send their criminals back where they came from".

Of course, we did this topic to death round and round in circles back when it was first an issue and it was constantly turned into a "bleeding heart" strawman so... Let's see how this one goes.
Yep...all of this.
You cannot render someone stateless. She will have to be a citizen of somewhere.. and she is. Here.
As said it's silly to suggest beause she is overseas they have to keep her.
As I think I remember saying in my usual bleeding heart fashion, bring her home where we can monitor her movements to assess how much of a threat she poses going forward.

[thesheriff443]

Pretty much, she made her decision but if she's deported then we have no choice but to take her.

I have no sympathy for her either way, my only sympathy is for her children that never got the chance to live.

She probably killed them herself, did you see the interviews she has done?

Wouldn’t trust her as far as I could throw her.

[thesheriff443]

Yep...all of this.
You cannot render someone stateless. She will have to be a citizen of somewhere.. and she is. Here.
As said it's silly to suggest beause she is overseas they have to keep her.
As I think I remember saying in my usual bleeding heart fashion, bring her home where we can monitor her movements to assess how much of a threat she poses going forward.

She can set up the, i was a isis bride group

And hold coffee mornings.

I have no doubt she will be allowed back and after some do Gooders have spoken to her softly for a few sessions she will be back on the street being totally supported by the benefit system for the rest of her life.

[arista]

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[Mystic Mock]

First class ISIS Airways

I've heard that's explosive.:hehe:

Tbh I hope that she gets sent to Prison for a long time as she's a threat to society.

[Mystic Mock]

Using murderers (not even a murderer, in this case) as an outlet for bloodlust doesn't make someone a good person either.

If someone's sitting in their armchair crying out for blood then they are not much better than those they'd condemn.

Tbf that's not true as the murderer wants to harm/has harmed innocent people in certain circumstances where as the "bloodlust" people are calling for a murderer to be harmed. I'm not saying it's right, but they're still much better people than murderers or ISIS sympathizers imo.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'd imagine the GBP know exactly what do with this terrorist

[Nicky91]

I'd imagine the GBP know exactly what do with this terrorist

she isn't a terrorist

[rusticgal]

she isn't a terrorist

Well she is because she joined a terrorist group...

[arista]

she isn't a terrorist


Yes not doing the murder
but she stood with Isis,
agreed with Isis.

[bots]

the last i heard she was a member of a terrorist group (ISIS) and still agreed with it's views, so she is a terrorist

[thesheriff443]

the last i heard she was a member of a terrorist group (ISIS) and still agreed with it's views, so she is a terrorist

Didn’t she say, when her story broke she agreed with the Manchester arena bombing.

[arista]

Didn’t she say, when her story broke she agreed with the Manchester arena bombing.


Yes she did

[Denver]

Even her Lawyer said she is a threat to the UK

[GoldHeart]

Even her Lawyer said she is a threat to the UK

:crazy::rant: Amazing how people like that get another chance, yet decent folk get deported out this country who have worked hard and never had a criminal record.

Yet this lunatic is being trusted, what if she radicalises others and causes harm here .

As mentioned her kid deserves a chance but she's a terrorist sympathiser .

[The Slim Reaper]

:crazy::rant: Amazing how people like that get another chance, yet decent folk get deported out this country who have worked hard and never had a criminal record.

Yet this lunatic is being trusted, what if she radicalises others and causes harm here .

As mentioned her kid deserves a chance but she's a terrorist sympathiser .

She's allowed back to appeal the decision, and she will most likely be arrested whilst here. She isn't coming back to go on a girls weekend to Blackpool.

[GoldHeart]

She's allowed back to appeal the decision, and she will most likely be arrested whilst here. She isn't coming back to go on a girls weekend to Blackpool.

For ages they've been going back and forth with this decision of her coming back to the UK , so it wouldn't surprise me if she won the appeal.

How many times have dangerous people been free wondering these streets despite their history.

[bots]

For ages they've been going back and forth with this decision of her coming back to the UK , so it wouldn't surprise me if she won the appeal.

How many times have dangerous people been free wondering these streets despite their history.

People can only be punished for the crime they commit. Citizenship is a legal argument that is quite separate

[GoldHeart]

People can only be punished for the crime they commit. Citizenship is a legal argument that is quite separate

Why should she be granted citizenship , when people who have done nothing wrong get denied .

Whole thing seems backwards and unfair as usual.

[bots]

Why should she be granted citizenship , when people who have done nothing wrong get denied .

Whole thing seems backwards and unfair as usual.

she is not being granted citizenship, the argument is that the UK couldn't legally strip her of her citizenship because no-one can be left stateless

[Liam-]

Why should she be granted citizenship , when people who have done nothing wrong get denied .

Whole thing seems backwards and unfair as usual.

The case is about whether her citizenship should have been stripped in the first place, she was born here, she’s a British citizen

[Oliver_W]

Isn't she claiming to have been groomed? If she was it might help if she said where and by whom. In all of her interviews she seems pretty stupid, she has empty "cow eyes" and was probably raised to just be chattel. Have her parents spoke of her to the media at all? I wonder what they have to say about her running away.

[user104658]

Isn't she claiming to have been groomed? If she was it might help if she said where and by whom. In all of her interviews she seems pretty stupid, she has empty "cow eyes" and was probably raised to just be chattel. Have her parents spoke of her to the media at all? I wonder what they have to say about her running away.IIRC her parents were horrified about her running away to join actual ISIS, however some aspects of her family's beliefs are... a bit questionable. But I believe she was groomed online and her family weren't aware that she was planning to leave the UK.

[Tom4784]

Why should she be granted citizenship , when people who have done nothing wrong get denied .

Whole thing seems backwards and unfair as usual.

She's a british citizen, she's not applying for citizenship.

If it was down to me, I'd say she made her choice but legally speaking, it's the UK's duty to take back it's citizens. We shouldn't expect the world to deal with out trash because we'd be raging if the situation was reversed.

A person has to be a citizen of somewhere, it's just a fact. If Begum's citizenship being stripped is proven to be illegal or simply against the rules then it must be reinstated and she would have to face imprisonment and hopefully rehabilitation here.

[Oliver_W]

IIRC her parents were horrified about her running away to join actual ISIS, however some aspects of her family's beliefs are... a bit questionable. But I believe she was groomed online and her family weren't aware that she was planning to leave the UK.

Oh okay, so it sounds like the islamic version of a family of white people who aren't actively hateful racist, but are certainly NIMBYists, whose kid joins the KKK :laugh: