Corbyn was right

[Liam-]

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They’ve voted to not protect the NHS from being owned and controlled by overseas influences, the NHS is on the table like we were all told it would be.

But Boris is fun though so who cares.

[Smithy]

Colour me shocked

[Ammi]

...just depressing, really...Boris was never fun, Boris was always a self serving liar...

[Zizu]

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They’ve voted to not protect the NHS from being owned and controlled by overseas influences, the NHS is on the table like we were all told it would be.



But Boris is fun though so who cares.



But why would so many vote against protecting the NHS when they know there’d be public outrage ..


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[Daniel-X]

But why would so many vote against protecting the NHS when they know there’d be public outrage ...

Because tories know they’ve brainwashed this country so much they can pretty much do as they please, because ‘BREXIT MEANS BREXIT!!!!’ and idk Boris is apparently funny or something? (I hate this country.)

[Captain.Remy]

Well well well, what a "surprise" isn't it? :rolleyes:

[joeysteele]

Beware of the deceit that is the only thing that comes out of Johnson's mouth.

A very dangerously deceitful politician indeed.

[Tom4784]

Congratulations, Tory voters, you have enabled the destruction of the NHS. **** your clapping and rainbows.

[Liam-]

...just depressing, really...Boris was never fun, Boris was always a self serving liar...

Ah, but he is fun because he hangs from ziplines, tells jokes and lies like normal people, that’s worth making him prime minister for, he’s fun!

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[Ammi]

Ah, but he is fun because he hangs from ziplines, tells jokes and lies like normal people, that’s worth making him prime minister for, he’s fun!

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...does he make canoes with his hot dog rolls though...because if he doesn’t, he’s not fun and didn’t deserve to be PM...

[The Slim Reaper]

Why didn't anyone warn the tory voters this was a possibility? We still clapping on Thursdays, or nah?

[Oliver_W]

But this is completely impossible because Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson is exactly like us and a good old boy, he'd be fun down the pub and everything.

[user104658]

How can anyone look at the US healthcare system in 2020 especially and think "yeah this is a better model". I find it STAGGERING that every country in the world is not currently rethinking and restructuring healthcare with a boat-load of extra funding... they know fine well that this will not be the last pandemic or health crisis and they're still lurching towards a private/insurance model?

[The Slim Reaper]

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[Cherie]

How can anyone look at the US healthcare system in 2020 especially and think "yeah this is a better model". I find it STAGGERING that every country in the world is not currently rethinking and restructuring healthcare with a boat-load of extra funding... they know fine well that this will not be the last pandemic or health crisis and they're still lurching towards a private/insurance model?

100%

[user104658]

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I'm convinced that less well off people who vote Tory simply already know this but have had the "strivers and shirkers" stuff forced on them so hard that they're suffering from some sort of self-hatred. "Well yeah I'm not doing so well but that's my own fault, if I had worked harder I'd be doing better... and at least I have more money than my neighbour... so I must have worked harder than them and that makes me feel good".

[arista]

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Yes a few years back
Cummings the Master Planner

[DouglasS]

Corbyn is the reason Boris is in power. Corbyn is so disliked by the nation that he handed a landslide over, well done Corbyn :clap1:

[Tom4784]

Corbyn is the reason Boris is in power. Corbyn is so disliked by the nation that he handed a landslide over, well done Corbyn :clap1:

Nah, Tory voters are just gullible and easily led. You can't blame the opposition for the terrible choices the voters made, their stupidity is on them. They made a terrible choice, yet again, and we all have to live with it.

[Smithy]

Corbyn is the reason Boris is in power. Corbyn is so disliked by the nation that he handed a landslide over, well done Corbyn :clap1:

Boris is in power because the 90% of the mainstream media is run by right wing cocks who benefit with Boris in power so they ran the biggest political smear campaign in decades to ensure Boris won

[DouglasS]

Boris is in power because the 90% of the mainstream media is run by right wing cocks who benefit with Boris in power so they ran the biggest political smear campaign in decades to ensure Boris won

We love left wing media sources :clap1:

I don’t believe every thing I read, I don’t think this is true, mainstream media seems more in favour of left wing (aka BBC) to me

[The Slim Reaper]

I'm convinced that less well off people who vote Tory simply already know this but have had the "strivers and shirkers" stuff forced on them so hard that they're suffering from some sort of self-hatred. "Well yeah I'm not doing so well but that's my own fault, if I had worked harder I'd be doing better... and at least I have more money than my neighbour... so I must have worked harder than them and that makes me feel good".

I think there are a few reasons. Yours is definitely one, but I think being a tory is also seen as aspirational. It's America, so not 100% relevant but polls over there as to why people vote republican reveal a ridiculous amount of people that think they're about to be rich at any minute. Being British, we don't generally have those levels of confidence, but I still think there's something there, and ours is based more around British exceptionalism and superiority complex, that the tories loathing of groups feeds into.

And of course the press most importantly. Decades of foreigners coming for your jobs, your benefits, your women, your rights, is all bound to have an effect. Propaganda rarely ever fails.

[caprimint]

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[Oliver_W]

Corbyn is the reason Boris is in power. Corbyn is so disliked by the nation that he handed a landslide over, well done Corbyn :clap1:

Nah, Tory voters are just gullible and easily led. You can't blame the opposition for the terrible choices the voters made, their stupidity is on them. They made a terrible choice, yet again, and we all have to live with it.

I think it's six of one tbh.

Corbyn had a lot of skeletons in his closet, and connections with questionable people. Whether or not this would affect how he'd run government, he made it really easy for the media to make him look incredibly unelectable.

Did they do so because a Tory government would benefit them more than a Corbyn-led one? Sure. But they took the straw that was there, and spun it into a golden result for Boris.

[The Slim Reaper]

I think it's six of one tbh.

Corbyn had a lot of skeletons in his closet, and connections with questionable people. Whether or not this would affect how he'd run government, he made it really easy for the media to make him look incredibly unelectable.

Did they do so because a Tory government would benefit them more than a Corbyn-led one? Sure. But they took the straw that was there, and spun it into a golden result for Boris.

Dude, the tory party is funded by Russians, and you're back to Corbyn shared a stage with this guy once...

It's not 6 of 1.

[Liam-]

You can tell the bbc isn’t biased because both sides accuse it of being biased

[Oliver_W]

Dude, the tory party is funded by Russians, and you're back to Corbyn shared a stage with this guy once...

It's not 6 of 1.

Oh yes, the Russians. They also influenced the EU referendum, the Scottish independence referendum, the UK election, the US election .... My street had a power cut a year or so ago, maybe that was them too.

To be clear, I didn't like either party in 2019 and wanted a hung parliament. I'm not pro-Tory so I don't really care they were funded by the Russians.

[The Slim Reaper]

You can tell the bbc isn’t biased because both sides accuse it of being biased

Don't agree with this. The BBC did used to have a left wing slant, but that is long gone as it's basically run by old etonian schoolmates of the cabinet. Laura Kuenssberg attacks labour, does cosy chats with boris just acts as a stenographer for the tory party.

[Cherie]

I do agree that Labour handed the Tories victory by not replacing Corbyn as leader before the GE ...he did well in the 2017 election as he was up against an already unpopular May and her even more unpopular ideas for paying for care, but he was never going to win against Bojo

[Liam-]

Don't agree with this. The BBC did used to have a left wing slant, but that is long gone as it's basically run by old etonian schoolmates of the cabinet. Laura Kuenssberg attacks labour, does cosy chats with boris just acts as a stenographer for the tory party.

They have biased individual reporters absolutely and they should be held to stricter impartiality rules, but in general I think the organisation is realistically balanced, even though the newly appointed head is someone who ran to be an mp as a Tory

[Liam-]

Although saying that, they did say that pointing out lies told by the government would ‘undermine public confidence in democracy’ so yeah, **** em, bunch of tories

[Zizu]

Calling the majority of the public as easily led and also calling them stupid because they disagree with your views is Incredibly patronising, indirectly insulting many members here in doing so and likely when some respond you will act defensive



It’s one reason so many of us detest politics and politicians.


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[arista]

Liam Corbyn may have been right on this,
but on other things like the Russian poison attack
he was very wrong.

[The Slim Reaper]

Liam Corbyn may have been right on this,
but on other things like the Russian poison attack
he was very wrong.

What do you think about the NHS being on the table?

[joeysteele]

Well I have to say it's never the majority of public swayed by either the deceit of this particular government or by the media.

Yes Johnson sits with an 80 overall majority but with between 43 to 44% only of the actual votes cast.
That means over 56% voted against him.

Labour and the Lib Dem votes, equalled the Tory vote.

That's an even less mandate considering the numbers eligible to vote too.

However, the splintering of a more pro EU or EU deal vote between 5 parties.
Left a near clean run for Johnson and his so called, ( not now so however), oven ready leaving EU deal.

All else, outside of brexit sadly fell by the wayside.
Labour's my party but it came across as desperate in promising all sorts, even adding things during the campaign.
Had they stressed their plans were for a 10 year plan period, that would have had more credibility.
Although at best, really all I could see was another hung parliament.

The NHS sadly, got lost in the election debate as not enough were listening to the warnings in a reasoned way.
Now we are seeing possibly the start of a new agenda, showing the real thinking of this dangerous Con party as to the NHS.

Nothing we can do now for over 4 years.
So it seems that 43+% will get ALL they wanted.
While over 56% will be dismissed and get the worst they feared would come.

Those percentages should worry all voters because whatever it is, it's not now in a multi party setting, real democracy.
It was in the past with fewer parties, not now.

Where something like a quarter of voters that voted, don't now vote for either main party.

Elections shouldn't be in any possible way able to be won with anything like an 80 overall majority for one party.
By ANY Party that gets so far under 50% of even just the votes cast.
Never mind the whole electorate eligible to vote.

[bots]

i think if the NHS is on the table, we should put the cabinet on the table too. let the surgeons do a bit of corrective surgery

[user104658]

The NHS should be ringfenced and protected with no questions asked. Even if it needs drastic reform, that should be happening in a safe "bubble" of funding that acknowledges that no reform will involve dismantling or outsourcing. It shouldn't be a party politics issue, if this pandemic has shown anything it's that GLOBAL universal healthcare is only going to become increasingly important.

[Tom4784]

I think it's six of one tbh.

Corbyn had a lot of skeletons in his closet, and connections with questionable people. Whether or not this would affect how he'd run government, he made it really easy for the media to make him look incredibly unelectable.

Did they do so because a Tory government would benefit them more than a Corbyn-led one? Sure. But they took the straw that was there, and spun it into a golden result for Boris.

Nah, I reject that, people's votes are their own responsibility and it's down to them to be informed and know what they are actually voting for. A tory voter can't blame the opposition for them deciding to vote against their own interests. They chose to vote Tory despite it being widely known how it could affect things like the NHS because they chose to be uninformed and not take in any information that makes them doubt the tories.

The NHS inevitable destruction is largely down to moronic voters enabling it. If the UK public were actually more informed and less gullible, the Tories would never be elected.

[Tom4784]

Oh yes, the Russians. They also influenced the EU referendum, the Scottish independence referendum, the UK election, the US election .... My street had a power cut a year or so ago, maybe that was them too.

To be clear, I didn't like either party in 2019 and wanted a hung parliament. I'm not pro-Tory so I don't really care they were funded by the Russians.

You don't care that the ruling party is funded by a hostile foreign country? If you truly don't care about the tories, why are you downplaying the Russian influence by making it seem like a conspiracy theory when it's not? What would be the benefit if not to strengthen the Tories' position by making out that they aren't russian puppets?

[Ammi]

Why didn't anyone warn the tory voters this was a possibility? We still clapping on Thursdays, or nah?

...Trump said it wasn’t on the table, though...and Trump is prided and known for his honesty....oh...

[Oliver_W]

You don't care that the ruling party is funded by a hostile foreign country? If you truly don't care about the tories, why are you downplaying the Russian influence by making it seem like a conspiracy theory when it's not? What would be the benefit if not to strengthen the Tories' position by making out that they aren't russian puppets?

Maybe "don't care" isn't quite right, but it doesn't affect my decision as I couldn't think much less to them anyway.

[Tom4784]

Maybe "don't care" isn't quite right, but it doesn't affect my decision as I couldn't think much less to them anyway.

Still an odd way to react to the news that the majority party is basically funded by russian money and is enabling russian interference.

This is the kind of thing you're meant to care about, Oliver.

[arista]

...Trump said it wasn’t on the table, though...and Trump is prided and known for his honesty....oh...


Yes Trump made an Error.

[Ammi]

Yes Trump made an Error.

....bless, I guess he’s allowed one error...oh...

[arista]

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[armand.kay]

oh no! :shocked: i’ll go out and clap now that should fix it xx

[Brother Leon]

This shouldn’t be news to anyone at all. And the same that voted for this would have been the ones doing clap for NHS. Remember when people thought Boris becoming sick would suddenly make him a human being? Give me a break.

[arista]

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[GoldHeart]

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They’ve voted to not protect the NHS from being owned and controlled by overseas influences, the NHS is on the table like we were all told it would be.

But Boris is fun though so who cares.

Shock horror who'd have thought it :notimpressed: , but no matter what Corbyn was hated and never had a chance. And labour will continue to be demonised .

As the Tories run this country down the toilet :bored: .

[MTVN]

A lot being assumed from the government not supporting an opposition amendment to their motion, maybe better to wait and see what actually happens, its not the case that x must happen because y didn't happen. This bill in question was about ensuring trading arrangements that have already been agreed continue after Brexit, it's nothing to do with future trade arrangements with the US or anyone else

[Elliot]

**** the tories **** the tories

[user104658]

A lot being assumed from the government not supporting an opposition amendment to their motion, maybe better to wait and see what actually happens, its not the case that x must happen because y didn't happen. This bill in question was about ensuring trading arrangements that have already been agreed continue after Brexit, it's nothing to do with future trade arrangements with the US or anyone elseCan I interest you in a tub of tartan paint?

[Crimson Dynamo]

The premis of this thread is wrong

But go off

[arista]

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[arista]

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[joeysteele]

Best thing about these headlines is Happy Birthday to Prince George.

[arista]

Best thing about these headlines is Happy Birthday to Prince George.

At least he is happy

[arista]

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[Kizzy]

Boris is in power because the 90% of the mainstream media is run by right wing cocks who benefit with Boris in power so they ran the biggest political smear campaign in decades to ensure Boris won

Yep... lies, lies and damn lies. Tory spin and slurs as you say.
One day Corbyn will be totally vindicated as the last hope for this country.

Never trust a tory... why does that keep getting forgotten?

[Withano]

Literally everyone saw this coming. Apart from tories. Who probably don’t even realise it’s happened.

[joeysteele]

Literally everyone saw this coming. Apart from tories. Who probably don’t even realise it’s happened.

They won't.
The more diehard ones anyway.

I know a good number of more soft CON voters, who do really worry for the NHS now.

You are right, excuses will be made and sidestepping from the harder line CON supporters.
Even when it starts to happen more too.

No one at all can say, love or hate Corbyn, or love or hate Labour that they weren't warned of this danger by Corbyn and Labour.

Preferring to believe Trump and Johnson, which really says all there is to say about them and their real so called support for the NHS too.

[Crimson Dynamo]

**** the tories **** the tories

this immature comment has no place in SD so can the Mods delete it please?

:shrug:

[Smithy]

this immature comment has no place in SD so can the Mods delete it please?

:shrug:

Maybe just report the comment rather than trying to make a point that you’ve read the article have no problem with it, have nothing to add but want to make sure everyone is aware of the former

[Crimson Dynamo]

Maybe just report the comment rather than trying to make a point that you’ve read the article have no problem with it, have nothing to add but want to make sure everyone is aware of the former

i did, yesterday

and there is no article and i cant comment on the thread as there is no link, just a left-wing biased summary by the op?

(nothing wrong with a biased summary but that is what it is)

[Liam-]

There was actually a tweet from an official government account but for some reason it’s not showing now

[Ammi]

There was actually a tweet from an official government account but for some reason it’s not showing now

...there was another image you posted that’s showing as a 404 image not found now...so I reckon images and tweets were on the table as well and they’ve been snatched ...

[Liam-]

Put a new link in the op to avoid the misunderstanding again :hee:

[Crimson Dynamo]

So party in power defeats a politically motivated amendment to a bill from the opposition.

[Liam-]

Protecting the NHS from being sold to foreign powers isn’t political but go off

[Samm]

**** the tories

[Livia]

**** the tories

It's hard to argue with reasoned, well-thought out arguments like that in Serious Debates and News.

[Liam-]

**** the tories **** the tories

**** the tories

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[Tom4784]

Honestly, unless you're rich as hell, you have no reason to ever support the tories. Supporting the tories as a working or middle class person is basically bending over and asking them to **** you without lube and hoping you could cuddle later, only to be thrown out because they want to sleep and you're a bother to them now they have what they wanted.

Tory supporters should remember how much they tried to rubbish these events when they have to decide whether or not they can afford hospital treatment.

[GoldHeart]

Goodbye NHS then seen as Trump the orange pig will get his dirty paws on it :facepalm::mad: .

I was hoping with this pandemic it would change things for the better,but it's obviously not made a difference to Bojo the clown ! .

[arista]

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[The Slim Reaper]

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[caprimint]

Honestly, unless you're rich as hell, you have no reason to ever support the tories. .
lol tbh this is pretty silly

[Kizzy]

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Not surprised at all...

[arista]

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A National Insurance Debate on Twitter today
a Left Wing 20 year old Student/Writer of a magazine.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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A National Insurance Debate on Twitter today
a Left Wing 20 year old Student/Writer of a magazine.

What vile gutter language and aggressiveNess

That young girl needs to grow up and learn to keep a civil tongue

[arista]

What vile gutter language and aggressiveNess

That young girl needs to grow up and learn to keep a civil tongue


Yes at 20
she has a long road ahead.

[bots]

i have to admit this is the first time i have seen Corbyn and right in the same sentence

[Nicky91]

What vile gutter language and aggressiveNess

That young girl needs to grow up and learn to keep a civil tongue

no she does not, everyone has rights of their own opinion, own form of speech

[Oliver_W]

no she does not, everyone has rights of their own opinion, own form of speech

One can use their freedom of speech - and indeed, be utterly correct - without sinking to trashy gutter talk.

[Liam-]

One can use their freedom of speech - and indeed, be utterly correct - without sinking to trashy gutter talk.

Didn’t you call someone a ‘cum dumpster’ the other day?

[Oliver_W]

Didn’t you call someone a ‘cum dumpster’ the other day?

Sure did <3 but that's just colourful imagery.

[Liam-]

If you say so

[Liam-]

i have to admit this is the first time i have seen Corbyn and right in the same sentence

Strange that, cause he was right about a lot of things

[user104658]

One can use their freedom of speech - and indeed, be utterly correct - without sinking to trashy gutter talk.

They CAN, I'd even say that it's usually a better way of getting the point across because these days, getting sweary and aggressive isn't noticeable, it's just standard internetting and anyone wanting real debate is going to say "meh, next"... but I don't think it's a requirement... people can use whatever language they want so long as they're not being directly abusive. Assessing the audience they want and how seriously they want to be taken is down to the individual. Maybe sometimes it's cathartic to rage into the abyss even if you know it isn't effective. Some days you want to paint a convincing argument... some days you want the world to **** off and die :shrug:.

[Oliver_W]

They CAN, I'd even say that it's usually a better way of getting the point across because these days, getting sweary and aggressive isn't noticeable, it's just standard internetting and anyone wanting real debate is going to say "meh, next"... but I don't think it's a requirement... people can use whatever language they want so long as they're not being directly abusive. Assessing the audience they want and how seriously they want to be taken is down to the individual. Maybe sometimes it's cathartic to rage into the abyss even if you know it isn't effective. Some days you want to paint a convincing argument... some days you want the world to **** off and die :shrug:.

Oh sure. Some people and certain political parties do deserve two short words.

But at this point, "**** the Tories and eat the rich" may as well be automatically generated text when browsing twitter :laugh: which, as you say, makes it easy to ignore; even when they're talking about specific things which deserve to be called out.

[user104658]

Oh sure. Some people and certain political parties do deserve two short words.

But at this point, "**** the Tories and eat the rich" may as well be automatically generated text when browsing twitter :laugh: which, as you say, makes it easy to ignore; even when they're talking about specific things which deserve to be called out.

I can't disagree with the latter part, if someone did an investigation and discovered that 95% of Twitter is actually just bots arguing with each other into infinity, I wouldn't really be shocked.

[Livia]

Oh sure. Some people and certain political parties do deserve two short words.

But at this point, "**** the Tories and eat the rich" may as well be automatically generated text when browsing twitter :laugh: which, as you say, makes it easy to ignore; even when they're talking about specific things which deserve to be called out.

… and not just Twitter.

[Kizzy]

I think repugnant is an excellent adjective, what a brilliant use of language.

[Cherie]

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a Left Wing 20 year old Student/Writer of a magazine.

Haven’t most people said for years they would be happy with an increase in NI as long as it was directed towards social care, an NHS for social care... we pay 6 per cent on council tax towards it already ...

[The Slim Reaper]

Well then...

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[arista]

Sure
pay her the Money