Johnson PM Visits North Scotland 23/7/20

[arista]

He has No time
to meet any SNP troublemakers.


Once again has said
No to another Scottish Vote


Debate Live on LBC, now

[Boris Johnson is visiting Scotland claiming the "sheer might of our union" has
strengthened the fight against coronavirus north of the border.
In a trip billed as kick-starting a campaign to save the union,
he will tell Scots that if they stick with Britain they will
continue to benefit from huge economic support.]

https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-visits-scotland-to-promote-the-union-but-scots-increasingly-eye-independence-12034198


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-53485651

[joeysteele]

He has no time to meet with the party elected to run Scotland's affairs.
What disrespect for the electorate of Scotland.

Since he rejects the will of the majority of voters in Scotland. Since the Greens support the SNP as to an independence vote again.
His visit will help ensure the swing against him flows stronger and he may yet be the PM who ends up being forced to preside over the break up of not only the UK but Great Britain too.

Arrogant, ignorant and insulting are the only traits he has.

[Oliver_W]

They're the governing body of Scotland, he should "have time" for them.

But still...

SNP: "Westminster’s plan to impose an unelected, unaccountable body to rule on decisions made by the Scottish Parliament will not be accepted." (https://twitter.com/theSNP/status/1283359531226091521)

Also SNP: Scotland loves the EU (https://twitter.com/thesnp/status/1223270497603014658?lang=en)

[arista]

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[Oliver_W]

#BorisFarewellTour is trending on twitter :joker:

[James]

Twitter gives massive disproportionate prominence to small groups of people, and has little to no relevance to actual public opinion. Also the 'cybernats' are just the worst.

[Livia]

It's the people who shout the loudest about dirty campaigns and unfair politics, are the ones who come up with buzz phrases like Boris Farewell Tour and break out the EU flags when it's been democratically decided to leave the EU. Like it was a democratic vote that decided no to independence in the referendum. They sure can dish it out...

[The Slim Reaper]

Cough cough, brexit means brexit, oven ready deal, get brexit done, build build build.

They sure can dish it out...

[Samm]

It's the people who shout the loudest about dirty campaigns and unfair politics, are the ones who come up with buzz phrases like Boris Farewell Tour and break out the EU flags when it's been democratically decided to leave the EU. Like it was a democratic vote that decided no to independence in the referendum. They sure can dish it out...

I would understand if both referendums were landslide results. But they weren’t. It’s been five years since both. Things have changed.

[Livia]

Cough cough, brexit means brexit, oven ready deal, get brexit done, build build build.

They sure can dish it out...

I don't really want to talk to you, we have not much to say to each other so I'm going to stop quoting you and hope you do me the same courtesy. Thank you.

[Livia]

I would understand if both referendums were landslide results. But they weren’t. It’s been five years since both. Things have changed.

The Scottish referendum was a "once in a lifetime" referendum. And the Brexit referendum was a single, stand-alone referendum. Not that much has changed in five years... just the people who were defeated in both referendums can't come to terms.

[Oliver_W]

Twitter gives massive disproportionate prominence to small groups of people, and has little to no relevance to actual public opinion. Also the 'cybernats' are just the worst.

Oh yeah I'm sure those pesky Russian Bots are behind it all :joker:

[James]

Oh yeah I'm sure those pesky Russian Bots are behind it all :joker:

About a thousand tweets is enough to get something trending sometimes. When I had a look there the nationalists were also going after Naga Munchetty because of some interview they were unhappy about.

[arista]

I would understand if both referendums were landslide results. But they weren’t. It’s been five years since both. Things have changed.


Yes all over the World
China's Covid-19 virus has.



But still No to another Vote
Samm you may stand strong
but you need the Union.

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

He will find it much harder to keep saying no to another referendum.
If the SNP have as part of the Holyrood elections, their intention to have another.
If the SNP retain control in Holyrood and increase their support.
Plus if the Greens in Scotland continue to support the SNPs aim.

Then really, Johnson and his government would be taking politics and the UK on an extremely inappropriate and dangerous road.

Dictatorship doesn't look and isn't good.
If through elections the SNP get a further mandate from the Scots voters for a new independence vote.

Then really, Johnson shouldn't be able to and I'd say pressure would mount where he couldn't not grant it.

All he'll do is fuel more discord and strengthen more and more the likely vote for independence.
Unity is not something he achieves, he tries to demand it.
That's not real or the best leadership.

[arista]

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[Cherie]

About a thousand tweets is enough to get something trending sometimes. When I had a look there the nationalists were also going after Naga Munchetty because of some interview they were unhappy about.

She really went for Ian Blackford this morning :joker:

[joeysteele]

I find Naga Munchety one of the most annoying people on TV.
I really have to switch over when she's on.
Not just on politics, on anything.

I doubt Ian Blackford would be bothered.

[Cherie]

I find Naga Munchety one of the most annoying people on TV.
I really have to switch over when she's on.
Not just on politics, on anything.

I doubt Ian Blackford would be bothered.

I like her, she pulls no punches

[arista]

The Labour Leader
said The Conservative should not go up there
pushing them.

He also is against
Scotland getting their Freedom

[arista]

i like her, she pulls no punches


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[DouglasS]

The Scottish referendum was a "once in a lifetime" referendum. And the Brexit referendum was a single, stand-alone referendum. Not that much has changed in five years... just the people who were defeated in both referendums can't come to terms.

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You just know if it was the other way round that they would be saying the same thing also and would not be asking for a second referendum.

[The Slim Reaper]

:clap1:

You just know if it was the other way round that they would be saying the same thing also and would not be asking for a second referendum.

Apart from 62% of Scots that voted against brexit, and are having their rights forcibly removed because of England.

[Cherie]

Apart from 62% of Scots that voted against brexit, and are having their rights forcibly removed because of England.

And Wales?

[The Slim Reaper]

And Wales?

Wales voted by a minor percentage, and England was always the decider, but yeah, you're right. Fcuking Liam :fist: I'd put Norn Iron in the same camp as Scotland too, although they are naturally tied to the motherland

[Cherie]

Wales voted by a minor percentage, and England was always the decider, but yeah, you're right. Fcuking Liam :fist: I'd put Norn Iron in the same camp as Scotland too, although they are naturally tied to the motherland

England
Leave 53.4%
15,188,406 VOTES
Remain 46.6%
13,266,996 VOTES

Wales
Leave 52.5%
854,572 VOTES
Remain 47.5%
772,347 VOTES

0.9% between England and Wales

looking at the map most of the remain counties were in the South, its all the knuckle heads from up Norf caused this :hee:

[joeysteele]

I don't wish to rerun the EU vote.
However the vote itself was a UK wide vote and in that, the result is valid, although a narrow margin.
Even of all who voted.

However, it was the devising of the vote that was at fault, which is the cause of division in part, in my view.

For such a major change of the UKs past and future.
One condition should have been, 50% + one vote needed from all eligible to vote.
To make it valid.

and/or
Another condition, with the fact the UK is made up of 4 Nations.
It should have been 3 had to vote the same way to validate the referendum.

It's irrelevant now however with England having the massively disproportionate share of voters in the UK..
It was always likely the case that however the vote went in England.
England would only really decide this referendum.
Even had Wales voted remain other than leave.

So with Scotland voting by double figure margins to remain along with Northern Ireland too.
It's no wonder divisions, suspicion and even dismay have just not gone away.

However the blame lies with the then PM Cameron and his failure to ensure the fairest possible vote.

You can't have that, when you create the scenario where only the biggest of population and voters of 4 Nations, are able to wipe out the votes and results of the other 3 Nations.

As to Johnson in Scotland.
I think he may secretly want Scotland to leave the UK.
Him going there will for sure, in my view, only likely help to hasten that cause.

[arista]

"As to Johnson in Scotland.
I think he may secretly want Scotland to leave the UK."


No way

Ch4HDnews is live in Scotland

[arista]

The Big Donor
to the Conservatives
Stuart Wheeler aged 85, has died

[arista]

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[arista]

A Remix


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[MTVN]

Similar charmers to those who stood on the border telling people coming from England to 'stay the **** out'

[Crimson Dynamo]

Similar charmers to those who stood on the border telling people coming from England to 'stay the **** out'

Josy and my finest moment

[joeysteele]

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If only he'd heed that good advice.
Doing something decent for once politically.

[Cherie]

Similar charmers to those who stood on the border telling people coming from England to 'stay the **** out'

Josy and my finest moment

:joker:

[Cherie]

Similar charmers to those who stood on the border telling people coming from England to 'stay the **** out'

You must understand that was fine as they were Scottish..not English...all hell would break loose if it were reversed of course...:joker:

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

I can't see what way he can use the virus as a positive political weapon for him or the Union.
He's taken England away from and behind the other UK Nations in dealing with it.

Nicola Sturgeon has no reason to fear him on that one.
He has shown how inept he is all through on this pandemic.
His crawling Ministers too.

England's record on the pandemic is at best shameful.

Nicola Sturgeon has shown endless compassion to the bereaved and massive regret on the losses of lives to this.
She's also been totally upfront and honest with her Nation.

Of all the UK, she has been the ONLY leader I'd listen to in the context of trusting them.
Certainly never Johnson, who,with his Ministers, has presided over nothing much more than deceit all through with the citizens of England and the rest of the UK.

Rishi Sunak totally I exclude from that last statement, I wish him well however in carrying on his good and right work..
As I fear, he's going to be reigned well in soon sadly from his more understanding and fairer stance.

[arista]

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[Beso]

Apart from 62% of Scots that voted against brexit, and are having their rights forcibly removed because of England.

And 38 percent of scots voted for Brexit..

[joeysteele]

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Just shows that Nicola Sturgeon gives an example of how often good things come in little bundles.

Rather than from possibly more like towering bully boys.

[arista]

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