Prince Harry & MEGHAN come for Twitter/Facebook/Insta - culture of HATE

[Crimson Dynamo]

Prince Harry says social media is stoking a 'crisis of hate' as he reveals he an
d Meghan have been calling business leaders for the last month to ask them to
stop funding the sites in column for US business magazine


In an opinion piece for U.S. business magazine Fast Company, Prince Harry said that social media, in its current state, is 'unwell' and in desperate need of fixing
The former senior royal said he and his wife, Meghan, have spent the past few weeks working with business leaders to enact positive change
The Duke of Sussex called for online communities to be 'defined more by compassion than hate; by truth instead of misinformation'
Harry said he and Meghan started their social media reform campaign at the same time as the launch of the Stop Hate for Profit movement in June


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The 35-year-old continues that while most people enjoy the likes of
Facebook, Twitter and Instagram, because its presented as a free way to
access entertainment and information, Harry insists, 'it's not actually free; the cost is high'.

In what he called the beginning of a global movement, Harry said that, above all else, he hopes that social media can become a Utopian community built
on 'empathy, tolerance and kindness'.

'The internet has enabled us to be joined together. We are now plugged into
a vast nervous system that, yes, reflects our good, but too often also
magnifies and fuels our bad,' Harry wrote.

'We can—and must—encourage these platforms to redesign themselves in a
more responsible and compassionate way. The world will feel it, and we will
all benefit from it.'



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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8602471/Prince-Harry-says-social-media-stoking-crisis-hate.html

Is harry and his wife right - is it time to stop using social media as its bad?

[Liam-]

Well they’re not wrong

[Smithy]

Social media in general is a cesspit of toxicity

[Cherie]

of course, it was social media that drove them out of Britain, toxic environment at best

[Black Dagger]

Social media is a toxic wasteland so yes. Where is the lie sis.

[Jake.]

Why is Meghan’s name in caps?

[user104658]

social media is stoking a 'crisis of hate'

:omgno: no way

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[bots]

it isn't going to change

[Crimson Dynamo]

yes identifying problems is an easy game

as is saying "we need to fix them"

people make careers out of that

producing actual solutions... well thats not so much fun


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[arista]

Social media in general is a cesspit of toxicity



Sure but you Float your Ship
above them.

[jet]

As if business leaders are going to listen to 2 unemployed attention seekers preaching to them...the self - importance is laughable. :rolleyes:

[Crimson Dynamo]

As if business leaders are going to listen to 2 unemployed attention seekers preaching to them...the self - importance is laughable. :rolleyes:

Fast Company did this for an uptick in PR and sales. Meanwhile social media platforms will ignore as their aim is to make money and not act as a nanny for individual people or listen to to minor celebs who are desperately trying to find relevance when actually they are middle aged and somewhat past it

:joker:

[thesheriff443]

They put on a face mask and handed out a couple of meals during lockdown.

I’m all for making the world a better place but it’s easy to point out the obvious when your living in a mansion having the best of everything.

We need to cut down on global warning but us taking this private jet for a spin won’t matter.

Desperados.

[Oliver_W]

Social media is pretty gross, and nothing of value would be lost if it all got deleted.

I have no doubt they did face toxicity on there.

[Livia]

Since they moved themselves out of the spotlight they've taken step after step to keep their names in the media. Bored with an actress and an ex-royal who say they want privacy but court publicity. Maybe they've only just realised how toxic it is, because they've both used social media for years and year.

[Marsh.]

Yes, working with charities and for causes they believe in is exactly the same as the UK media intruding in their personal space.

Great comparison.

[Beso]

Tighten your purse lizzie, before all these grey american lawyers get thier hands on it...andrew ain't worth it, and neither is SHEEEEE.

[jet]

Since they moved themselves out of the spotlight they've taken step after step to keep their names in the media. Bored with an actress and an ex-royal who say they want privacy but court publicity. Maybe they've only just realised how toxic it is, because they've both used social media for years and year.

Yes, they are like 'you call us out on our many hypocrisies and s***** behaviour, stop it! we only want good things said about us'!!! Boo hooooooo!

[Marsh.]

Meanwhile "Stop living your lives how you want to!!! We want you to stay in the Royal family, spending our taxes and let us abuse you for that! We have no reason to do so otherwise!!"

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes, they are like 'you call us out on our many hypocrisies and s***** behaviour, stop it! we only want good things said about us'!!! Boo hooooooo!
So true

[Tom4784]

Honestly, the Royal family should just step aside and let Queen Meg ascend to her rightful throne :clap1: We are not worthy :clap1:

[rusticgal]

Honestly, the Royal family should just step aside and let Queen Meg ascend to her rightful throne :clap1: We are not worthy :clap1:



There’s only one throne she will be sitting on...:laugh:

[user104658]

There’s only one throne she will be sitting on...[emoji23]Harry's face :flutter:

[Marsh.]

Harry's face :flutter:

:joker:

[rusticgal]

Harry's face :flutter:

:laugh:

[jet]

Prince Harry Should Look at Himself Before Taking
Moral High Ground

https://www.ccn.com/prince-harry-media-moral-high-ground/

Before questioning others, Prince Harry should look at himself and Meghan Markle's social media following. Get your own house in order, Harry!

Prince Harry has penned a 1,400-word tirade against the current media landscape, lamenting the lack of fairness and truth.
The problem is, Meghan and Harry are only interested in their version of the truth.
Before they ask questions of others, perhaps they ought to take a look at themselves?

In the latest laughable attempt by Prince Harry and Meghan Markle to push themselves as self-styled social justice warriors, “simply” Harry penned a 1,400-word article blasting the current digital landscape.
You have to hand it to this couple–they’re on a different level when it comes to playing the victims and portraying themselves as martyrs.
I would take Prince Harry a little more seriously if his wife, Meghan Markle, and her ruthless bully friends hadn’t been guilty of manipulating the media for years. Or if both of them weren’t taking part in Zoom calls with a confessed internet bully and troll......

.......Prince Harry commented in his tirade:
Our hope is that it’s the beginning of a movement where we, as people, place community and connection, tolerance and empathy, and joy and kindness above all. The internet has enabled us to be joined together.

How can he say these things while not only sitting idly by and allowing his and Meghan’s fanbase to wreak havoc online but actively engage with these people via Zoom calls?
Prince Harry needs to get his own house in order before preaching to others. His fanbase is among the most hateful on the internet.

:clap1:

[jet]

Harry's face :flutter:

Harry hiding chairs again....:creep:

[Cherie]

Prince Harry Should Look at Himself Before Taking
Moral High Ground

https://www.ccn.com/prince-harry-media-moral-high-ground/



:clap1:

Ironic given they used Instagram to bully their way out because poor Megs didn’t realise she had to parade in front of the plebs at the Palaces request :laugh:

[Cal.]

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[Cherie]

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Nope they were actually the most popular of the Royals, but that went to their heads and they didn’t want to play second fiddle so they starting playing the victim card

[Liam-]

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I saw that the other day, it’s disgusting the way this couple have been treated, people should be ashamed of themselves imo

[Oliver_W]

Two things can be true at once - their behaviour can be unbecoming for a Royal couple, and social media and the gutter press can be toxic garbage which should be flushed away.

[user104658]

Nope they were actually the most popular of the Royals, but that went to their heads and they didn’t want to play second fiddle so they starting playing the victim cardHarry and Megan together were never the "most popular" royals. Harry on his own was quite popular - ironically, for not towing the traditional Royal line. William and Kate were always the Royal couple of choice for both the press an public.

[Liam-]

Dressing as a nazi, getting drunk and stripping in Vegas = Aw, good ol’ Harry, being himself, he’s so likeable!

Marrying a woman he loves, protecting his family and addressing societal issues that affect millions = Waste of space, he’s a disgrace to Britain!!

[Mitchell]

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Couldn’t put it better

[jet]

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Absolutely heartbreaking, but the guilt trip doesn't work I'm afraid.

Losing your mother when young doesn't give anyone (or their wife) a pass for life against just or even unjust criticism for their actions. Behave like spoiled selfish entitled brats and you'll be called out on it. That's life.
.... and Diana was mainly adored (by the press too) despite her faults, because she had a warmth and sincerity about her that Meghan just doesn't. Perhaps you missed that the whole country grieved like never before, for anyone, on Diana's death.

[jet]

Nope they were actually the most popular of the Royals, but that went to their heads and they didn’t want to play second fiddle so they starting playing the victim card

In a nutshell.

[user104658]

Perhaps you missed that the whole country grieved like never before, for anyone, on Diana's death.

Yes because the "Great" British public (or at least, the royalist section of it) believed they owned her. She was THEIRS and THEY lost their favourite doll. Boo hoo.

Now... Harry and Megan are repeatedly saying "you don't own us". Big angry for public. Big, big angry. Who the **** do those entitled brats think they are? They need put in their place quick smart, or else future generations of royals might get the same silly idea about not being a commodity and THEN what will we be? Some sort of filthy Republic?

[jet]

Yes because the "Great" British public (or at least, the royalist section of it) believed they owned her. She was THEIRS and THEY lost their favourite doll. Boo hoo.

Now... Harry and Megan are repeatedly saying "you don't own us". Big angry for public. Big, big angry. Who the **** do those entitled brats think they are? They need put in their place quick smart, or else future generations of royals might get the same silly idea about not being a commodity and THEN what will we be? Some sort of filthy Republic?

Rather simplistic and OTT there TS.

[joeysteele]

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Says it all for me that.
It's true.
It's clear to anyone he adores his wife and will do all it takes to protect her and their son from intrusion that's unwanted or uninvited.

I commend him on that

The acidic attacks on her are really over the top at times.
Then turning on him too, just because he's standing by ' HIS CHOSEN ' wife.

[user104658]

Rather simplistic and OTT there TS.

It is, isn't it?

[bots]

prince Harry has been playing the poor me for decades, they are intentionally keeping themselves in the press on an almost daily basis, if they want privacy, it's simple, stay private

[thesheriff443]

Own them, people don’t want anything to do with that pair of self pitying fools.

They are an embarrassment to people who are really suffering.

MILLIONAIRE’S telling people with nothing there needs to be change, absolutely pathetic pair.

[Nicky91]

Diana adored by the press?

stalking someone until the moment of her fatal car accident isn't a good form of adoration though

@Jet


as for the warmth, hmm Diana also could've easily been a actress too, i even would say Kate comes across more warm, sincere than Diana and lol i am not Kate's biggest fan or any of those middletons but i had to say this


i defend neither there, press had (still have) their faults, and Diana had her faults

[AnnieK]

Own them, people don’t want anything to do with that pair of self pitying fools.

They are an embarrassment to people who are really suffering.

MILLIONAIRE’S telling people with nothing there needs to be change, absolutely pathetic pair.

If people truly don't want anything to do with them, threads like these would have no reply, they would not be in the media every day. The fact is the GBP either love them or loathe them and lap every report up. The media are doing their bit to keep them relevant whilst harping on about them abandoning the UK and Royal Family. If the media had any integrity behind what they report they would simply stop giving them column inches. As it is, Harry and Meghan sell papers so the hypocrisy of the media continues.

[Nicky91]

If people truly don't want anything to do with them, threads like these would have no reply, they would not be in the media every day. The fact is the GBP either love them or loathe them and lap every report up. The media are doing their bit to keep them relevant whilst harping on about them abandoning the UK and Royal Family. If the media had any integrity behind what they report they would simply stop giving them column inches. As it is, Harry and Meghan sell papers so the hypocrisy of the media continues.

well yeah something gotta turn attention away from Andrew

[Marsh.]

MILLIONAIRE’S telling people with nothing there needs to be change, absolutely pathetic pair.

Of all the millionaire's doing this, you take issue with Harry and Meghan who have no impact on you.

[thesheriff443]

Of all the millionaire's doing this, you take issue with Harry and Meghan who have no impact on you.

If there was a thread with someone else doing the same thing I would have the same opinion.

[jet]

Full article https://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/relationships/harry-meghan-seem-bring-worst/

Harry and Meghan seem to bring out the worst in each other

Just before Prince Harry got engaged to Meghan Markle, he invited me to Kensington Palace for a chat as I was writing his biography. One of the things he was keen to get across was the importance of teamwork.
“If you want to be a success you have to be a team player,” he told me. “You get taught in the Army that you can’t get anywhere without the support of other people. I agree.” .....

......Less than a year on, however, I witnessed this warm young prince morph into a nervy, tense man who seems constantly on edge. It is as if the dark side that we had only had glimpses of previously, have fully enveloped him. It is ironic that the book quotes Harry bemoaning the state of society, asking “where is the positivity? Why is everyone so miserable and angry” - for these are surely questions he must ask of himself.....

......I watched Harry become increasingly uneasy when Meghan began to make most of the speeches, walked in front of him or pulled his sleeve to sit down – as she did at Canada House in January this year – while he was mid-conversation. She is a mega-watt attention grabber with the eyes of the world upon her and Harry’s shine has faded in her shadow. Does the torment he feels come down to believing he hasn’t done enough for her? But can he ever do enough? Perhaps Meghan is one of those people who never has enough, who, unless everything and everyone around her is not 100 per cent going her way, will always zoom in on the negative. ...

The sad truth seems to be that however much Harry and Meghan stare blissfully into each other’s eyes and however tightly Meghan hangs on to her husband’s arm, they seem to bring out the worst in each other.

The pair of them — described in the biography as “impulsive and impatient” — are said to want to “be in charge of their own narrative”. Where then is the team playing spirit Harry had been so enthusiastic about? Meghan arrived in this family very much as an individual, one whose needs and desires have now seemingly been serviced to a worrying degree.

It’s true, however, that Harry often thought about leaving the Royal family before he met his wife. He confided in me how much he hated living in a “goldfish bowl”, ached to be “something other than Prince Harry” and wanted to lead a “relatively normal life.”

It’s a wish that couldn’t be more misplaced in Los Angeles. Seeing Harry look so dour, claiming to be a victim, it's obvious to me the peace he desires continues to elude him. Settling scores is likely to lead to more unhappiness. Maybe it's time for Harry to take a step back and remember who he was and what was really important to him before all this began.

[thesheriff443]

If people truly don't want anything to do with them, threads like these would have no reply, they would not be in the media every day. The fact is the GBP either love them or loathe them and lap every report up. The media are doing their bit to keep them relevant whilst harping on about them abandoning the UK and Royal Family. If the media had any integrity behind what they report they would simply stop giving them column inches. As it is, Harry and Meghan sell papers so the hypocrisy of the media continues.

Yes they are being put in the papers because they are embarrassing themselves with how they want to be known for having a positive effect on the world while living a millionaires life style.

Anyone with any influence will be distancing themselves from this pair of hypocrites.

[jet]

Yep, they are jumping on every latest bandwagon to make waves with their pontificating, trying to stay relevant on their own. If they led the private life they said they wanted there would be nothing for the press to report. They are embarrassing themselves.

[Nicky91]

Yep, they are jumping on every latest bandwagon to make waves with their pontificating, trying to stay relevant on their own. If they led the private life they said they wanted there would be nothing for the press to report. They are embarrassing themselves.

true, same as moving to LA which is like the showbizz gossip capital basically

if you want to live a private life without media, some really quiet peaceful small town where nothing of interest happens would be a much better location to move towards

[Crimson Dynamo]

Diana adored by the press?

stalking someone until the moment of her fatal car accident isn't a good form of adoration though

@Jet


as for the warmth, hmm Diana also could've easily been a actress too, i even would say Kate comes across more warm, sincere than Diana and lol i am not Kate's biggest fan or any of those middletons but i had to say this


i defend neither there, press had (still have) their faults, and Diana had her faults

Diana died due to a drunk driver at the wheel./


Get your facts in order

[jet]

For Slim Reaper: :hee:

Full article: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8599765/Prince-Harrys-royal-biographer-Angela-Levin-says-shadow-former-self.html

Prince Harry's biographer Angela Levin claims he's become 'a shadow of his former self' after losing some of his 'mischievous charm and royal stardust' and only focusing on negativity

Her remarks come as the Royal Family reels from the bombshell claims made in the Sussexes' biography Finding Freedom, released next week, which lays bare a rift between the couple and senior members of The Firm.....
......Revealing her thoughts about extracts of the biography made available so far, Angela said: 'When you read the book you realise the pile of grievances Meghan and Harry hold. This is going back a few years now, it is absolutely extraordinary.
'Most of these grievances are incredibly petty, but when you add them up it is like a great big sandcastle.
'They ignore all of the wonderful things they have had, the prerogatives and chances to meet great people and do charity work they want to do. It seems to me they have focused entirely on the negative.'.......

[user104658]

"He's lost his mojo, it must be his wife's fault!" claims yet another journalist writing opinion pieces on a man's private life.

I wonder if the author can think of any other reasons Harry might be feeling a bit down lately? 'tis a mystery that may never be solved I guess.

[Cherie]

For Slim Reaper: :hee:

Full article: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8599765/Prince-Harrys-royal-biographer-Angela-Levin-says-shadow-former-self.html

Prince Harry's biographer Angela Levin claims he's become 'a shadow of his former self' after losing some of his 'mischievous charm and royal stardust' and only focusing on negativity

Her remarks come as the Royal Family reels from the bombshell claims made in the Sussexes' biography Finding Freedom, released next week, which lays bare a rift between the couple and senior members of The Firm.....
......Revealing her thoughts about extracts of the biography made available so far, Angela said: 'When you read the book you realise the pile of grievances Meghan and Harry hold. This is going back a few years now, it is absolutely extraordinary.
'Most of these grievances are incredibly petty, but when you add them up it is like a great big sandcastle.
'They ignore all of the wonderful things they have had, the prerogatives and chances to meet great people and do charity work they want to do. It seems to me they have focused entirely on the negative.'.......

This sums it up for me, my opinion on them both changed when they took the opportunity to do a ‘woe is me’ segment during their SA tour right after a segment on girls having to go to self defence classes in order to prevent rape spurred on by Tom Bradbury who then decided to regale us with his mental health issues, there is a time and a place to air your illness/grievances but during that documentary was spectacularly ill judged

[Crimson Dynamo]

ONE of Prince Harry’s oldest and closest friends Tom 'Skippy' Inskip shared his doubts about Meghan Markle when she arrived on the scene, a new book claims.

Skippy, who was inseparable with Harry since they met at Eton, advised Harry and Meghan to live together “before doing anything more serious”.

A source close to the couple told authors Omid Scobie and Carolyn Durand that although his advice “came from a good place,” Prince Harry “didn’t totally see it that way”.

After sharing their reservations about Meghan, Skippy and wife Lara were said to be “punished” by not being invited to Harry and Meghan’s wedding party at Frogmore House. :skull:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/12342684/meghan-markle-prince-harry-latest-news-adele/

[jet]

This sums it up for me, my opinion on them both changed when they took the opportunity to do a ‘woe is me’ segment during their SA tour right after a segment on girls having to go to self defence classes in order to prevent rape spurred on by Tom Bradbury who then decided to regale us with his mental health issues, there is a time and a place to air your illness/grievances but during that documentary was spectacularly ill judged

Yes, that is when a lot of people were turned right off them; the blind insensitivity and self - involvement was shocking.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Interesting comment from that DM article

"I don't think what Harry has for Meghan can in any way be described as love. She triggered his deepest needs, insecurities, and weaknesses in a pathological way. What he feels for Markle isn't love, it's the need of a completely dependent infant child for its mother. In healthy people and situations, children eventually become separate entities, develop their own identities, and grow out of the need phase. At that point they can become fully-functioning people, capable of real love. I don't see that happening with Harry any time soon."

[Niamh.]

I've deleted a lot of posts in this thread, I'm going to reopen it but I would like to remind people that getting personal with other forum members is against the rules. Please stick to the thread topic or you will end up being banned from the Serious debates Section or infracted.

[Crimson Dynamo]

PRINCE Harry has insisted that it will take "every single person on the planet" to defeat racism.

''Inequality is not unfortunate like a car accident, it has been manufactured."

Said the Royal Prince living in his 21 million dollar mansion for free

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/12360369/prince-harry-racism-defeat-everyone/

[jet]

PRINCE Harry has insisted that it will take "every single person on the planet" to defeat racism.

''Inequality is not unfortunate like a car accident, it has been manufactured."

Said the Royal Prince living in his 21 million dollar mansion for free

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/12360369/prince-harry-racism-defeat-everyone/

Another day, another lecture from a stressed - out looking Harry.
It mentions in the article that their biographer Scobie says Meghan is teaching Harry 'how to be woke'. It's not doing him any good, he looks like a right miserable sod these days. :notimpressed:

[user104658]

Another day, another lecture from a stressed - out looking Harry.

He doesn't look or sound stressed out at all in that video :think:. Seeing what you want to see, I suspect.

[jet]

He doesn't look or sound stressed out at all in that video :think:. Seeing what you want to see, I suspect.

That works both ways. :hee:
That is the 4th video I've seen of him this week pontificating earnestly about some weighty subject. Ffs Harry go and do something fun that makes the news like naked pool shenanigans, like you used to. It would do you the world of good. :laugh:

[rusticgal]

That works both ways. :hee:
That is the 4th video I've seen of him this week pontificating earnestly about some weighty subject. Ffs Harry go and do something fun that makes the news like naked pool shenanigans, like you used to. It would do you the world of good. :laugh:



I thought he just wanted a Quiet fun life?....I think Meghan had other ideas :laugh:
Harry seems desperate to find a role in his life....he just seems like a lost soul atm.

[Liam-]

Bless him, speaking out on issues that affect millions of people around the world on a daily basis, he’s so tortured

[joeysteele]

Bless him, speaking out on issues that affect millions of people around the world on a daily basis, he’s so tortured

Also, expected to be joyful, relaxed, fun loving Harry when he's talking about really worrying, concerning issues that he has his own strong feelings on.

As if he has to be grinning and be the fun Prince no matter what he's saying about, or where he's saying it on really serious issues.
Unbelievable.

If he was attending a funeral and shed tears, it would likely be reported Meghan was the cause of that too.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Markle DID take offence to Princess Michael of Kent's brooch that she wore to Christmas lunch and thought it was 'insensitive' towards her African American heritage, biography claims

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

Getting enraged abiout jewellery ? :shrug:

I mean is there any end to what she will do to undermine the Royal Family?

[Cherie]

Meghan was often seen carrying binders full of research on Royal protocol so she didn't put a foot wrong :joker:

who writes this stuff :laugh:

[bots]

i thought the brooch incident was intentional by Princess Michael

[thesheriff443]

People devote their entire life to issues such as racism, but Harry who sits in someone’s else’s mansion wanting for nothing is the right person to be talking about racist issues.

Jumping on any issue that’s making the news to try to stay relevant.

[Niamh.]

People devote their entire life to issues such as racism, but Harry who sits in someone’s else’s mansion wanting for nothing is the right person to be talking about racist issues.

Jumping on any issue that’s making the news to try to stay relevant.

Harry's wife and son are mixed race, he's certainly more qualified than a lot of people, mansion or not :shrug:

[Oliver_W]

Markle DID take offence to Princess Michael of Kent's brooch that she wore to Christmas lunch and thought it was 'insensitive' towards her African American heritage, biography claims

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

Getting enraged abiout jewellery ? :shrug:

I mean is there any end to what she will do to undermine the Royal Family?

Remember she's American, race is more of a "thing" there. It's not something most Brits (of any race) need to think about, but the USA has an uglier history of race relations.

[user104658]

Harry's wife and son are mixed race, he's certainly more qualified than a lot of people, mansion or not :shrug:

How DARE someone in an interracial couple with a mixed race child think they know anything about race issues :fist:.

[jet]

Also, expected to be joyful, relaxed, fun loving Harry when he's talking about really worrying, concerning issues that he has his own strong feelings on.

As if he has to be grinning and be the fun Prince no matter what he's saying about, or where he's saying it on really serious issues.
Unbelievable.

If he was attending a funeral and shed tears, it would likely be reported Meghan was the cause of that too.

Yes, but WHY is he talking about worrying, concerning issues every other day NOW. It was a rare thing to see him do so in all of his 36 years. Even in the past when talking about his passion, the Invictus games, his infectious, bubbly personality shone through. That is completely gone. Maybe because he was sincerely passionate and enthusiastic about the Invictus games and wounded veterans. I'm not sure his heart is fully in what he is saying now, he sounds like Meghans puppet.

Does he really believe that the British public are happy to tolerate an enormously privileged man wagging his finger at them about their supposed racism, actually apologising for them and their ‘unconscious bias’ or how they are destroying the environment while hopping on private jets and driving gas guzzling SUV’s. I mean, who does he think he is?

They left the Royal family, thinking they were going to be lauded in the USA, (or more likely, Meghan did) - mingling with A list celebs, bringing in big bucks making speeches and being the star turn at glittering charity balls. Meghan becoming a big noise in politics even - and I think now that is her aim, and why they are jumping on the latest ‘in’ cause to come along every 5 minutes. Their biggest fear, imo, is fading into obscurity after their big dramatic departure from the Royals, so they have to get their faces out there somehow, anyhow.

That was a big reason why they left the Royals in the first place - the 2 heirs were more important than they were and they couldn’t bear not being the star turns. The public being all newly fangled with the newlyweds went to their heads and they thought the world was their oyster and the Royals would suffer terribly without them - It was the “We’ll show them”!!! mentality. Well, all they have showed us is 2 bores who are desperate for relevance. JMO!

[user104658]

Remember she's American, race is more of a "thing" there. It's not something most Brits (of any race) need to think about, but the USA has an uglier history of race relations.

Hmmmmm whilst general population race issues MAY be less tense here than in the US... I'm not entirely sure that applies to the aristocracy or royalty. There are some clear implications there and it's hardly the first time the issue of racism has reared it's head in the family. Philip exists.

[Oliver_W]

Hmmmmm whilst general population race issues MAY be less tense here than in the US... I'm not entirely sure that applies to the aristocracy or royalty. There are some clear implications there and it's hardly the first time the issue of racism has reared it's head in the family. Philip exists.

I get what you're saying, but which do you find more likely

- Princess Michael thought "mwahaha, this brooch will really annoy the **** **** with whom Harry insists knocking about!!!"

- She rummaged through her jewellery box, thought it looked nice, and bunged it on

?

[Niamh.]

Hmmmmm whilst general population race issues MAY be less tense here than in the US... I'm not entirely sure that applies to the aristocracy or royalty. There are some clear implications there and it's hardly the first time the issue of racism has reared it's head in the family. Philip exists.

mmmhhmm

[Niamh.]

I get what you're saying, but which do you find more likely

- Princess Michael thought "mwahaha, this brooch will really annoy the **** **** with whom Harry insists knocking about!!!"

- She rummaged through her jewellery box, thought it looked nice, and bunged it on

?

tbf it could as easily be either answer Oliver

[Oliver_W]

tbf it could as easily be either answer Oliver

Wait, you censored the word ******? :joker: that's accepted slang for Americans, there's even a football team called that!

[Ammi]

...how anyone could think that brooch looked nice is beyond me...I can’t think it would have been worn for any other reason than to ‘state something‘...it’s hideous....

[user104658]

I get what you're saying, but which do you find more likely

- Princess Michael thought "mwahaha, this brooch will really annoy the Yankee negress with whom Harry insists knocking about!!!"

- She rummaged through her jewellery box, thought it looked nice, and bunged it on

?

If it was (mostly) anyone else I'd give the benefit of the doubt but with Princess Michael I think there's a high probability that it was intentional. She has prior. It may have been intended to be more subtle than it was.

[bots]

Philip exists.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2017/06/17/TELEMMGLPICT000132181508_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqwD2sfO9 joeQ6RY-qlTATNB2cSHopZMn-aCc647VHTAY.jpeg?imwidth=700

Prince Philip is renowned for speaking his mind. Here we celebrate his best jokes and gaffes from over the years.

"British women can't cook" (in Britain in 1966).

"What do you gargle with, pebbles?" (speaking to singer Tom Jones after the 1969 Royal Variety Performance).

"I declare this thing open, whatever it is." (on a visit to Canada in 1969).

"Everybody was saying we must have more leisure. Now they are complaining they are unemployed" (during the 1981 recession).

"If it has got four legs and it is not a chair, if it has got two wings and it flies but is not an aeroplane, and if it swims and it is not a submarine, the Cantonese will eat it." (at a 1986 World Wildlife Fund meeting).

"It looks like a tart's bedroom." (on seeing plans for the Duke and Duchess of York's house at Sunninghill Park in 1988).

"Yak, yak, yak; come on get a move on." (shouted from the deck of Britannia in Belize in 1994 to the Queen who was chatting to her hosts on the quayside).
"We didn't have counsellors rushing around every time somebody let off a gun, asking 'Are you all right? Are you sure you don't have a ghastly problem?' You just got on with it." (about the Second World War commenting on modern stress counselling for servicemen in 1995).

"How do you keep the natives off the booze long enough to get them through the test?" (to a driving instructor in Oban, Scotland, during a 1995 walkabout).

"If a cricketer, for instance, suddenly decided to go into a school and batter a lot of people to death with a cricket bat, which he could do very easily, I mean, are you going to ban cricket bats?" (in 1996, amid calls to ban firearms after the Dunblane shooting).

"Bloody silly fool!" (in 1997, referring to a Cambridge University car park attendant who did not recognise him).

"It looks as if it was put in by an Indian." (pointing at an old-fashioned fusebox in a factory near Edinburgh in 1999).

"Deaf? If you are near there, no wonder you are deaf." (to young deaf people in Cardiff, in 1999, referring to a school's steel band).

"They must be out of their minds." (in the Solomon Islands, in 1982, when he was told that the annual population growth was 5%).

"You are a woman, aren't you?"(In Kenya, in 1984, after accepting a small gift from a local woman).

"If you stay here much longer, you'll all be slitty-eyed." (to British students in China, during the 1986 state visit).

"Your country is one of the most notorious centres of trading in endangered species in the world." (in Thailand, in 1991, after accepting a conservation award).

"Oh no, I might catch some ghastly disease." (in Australia, in 1992, when asked to stroke a Koala bear).

"You can't have been here that long - you haven't got a pot belly." (to a Briton in Budapest, Hungary, in 1993).

"Aren't most of you descended from pirates?" (to a wealthy islander in the Cayman Islands in 1994).

"You managed not to get eaten, then?" (suggesting to a student in 1998 who had been trekking in Papua New Guinea that tribes there were still cannibals).

In Germany, in 1997, he welcomed German Chancellor Helmut Kohl at a trade fair as "Reichskanzler" - the last German leader who used the title was Adolf Hitler.

"You're too fat to be an astronaut." (to 13-year-old Andrew Adams who told Philip he wanted to go into space. Salford, 2001).

"I wish he'd turn the microphone off." (muttered at the Royal Variety Performance as he watched Sir Elton John perform, 2001).

"Do you still throw spears at each other?" (In Australia in 2002 talking to a successful aborigine entrepreneur).

"You look like a suicide bomber." (to a young female officer wearing a bullet-proof vest on Stornoway, Isle of Lewis, in 2002).

"Do you know they're now producing eating dogs for anorexics?" (to a blind woman outside Exeter Cathedral, 2002).

"Well, you didn't design your beard too well, did you?" (to designer Stephen Judge about his tiny goatee beard in July 2009).

"There's a lot of your family in tonight." (after looking at the name badge of businessman Atul Patel at a Palace reception for British Indians in October 2009).

"Do you work it a strip club?" (to 24-year-old Barnstaple Sea Cadet Elizabeth Rendle when she told him she also worked in a nightclub in March 2010).

"Do you have a pair of knickers made out of this?" (pointing to some tartan to Scottish Conservative leader Annabel Goldie a papal reception in Edinburgh in September 2010).

"Bits are beginning to drop off." (on approaching his 90th birthday, 2011).
"How many people have you knocked over this morning on that thing?" (meeting disabled David Miller who drives a mobility scooter at the Valentine Mansion in Redbridge in March 2012).

"I would get arrested if I unzipped that dress." (to 25-year-old council worker Hannah Jackson, who was wearing a dress with a zip running the length of its front, on a Jubilee visit to Bromley, Kent, in May 2012).

"The Philippines must be half empty as you're all here running the NHS." (on meeting a Filipino nurse at a Luton hospital in February 2013).

"Most stripping is done by hand." (to 83-year-old Mars factory worker Audrey Cook when discussing how she used to strip or cut Mars Bars by hand in April 2013).

"(Children) go to school because their parents don't want them in the house." (prompting giggles from Malala Yousafzai, who survived an assassination attempt by the Taliban after campaigning for the right of girls to go to school without fear - October 2013).

"Just take the *******ing picture." (losing patience with an RAF photographer at events to mark the 75th anniversary of the Battle of Britain - July 2015).

"You look starved." (to a pensioner on a visit to the Charterhouse almshouse for elderly men - February 2017)

"I'm just a bloody amoeba." (on the Queen's decision that their children should be called Windsor, not Mountbatten).

"Gentlemen, I think it is time we pulled our fingers out."(to the Industrial Co-Partnership Association on Britain's inefficient industries in 1961).

"Are you asking me if the Queen is going to die?" (on being questioned on when the Prince of Wales would succeed to the throne).

"If the man had succeeded in abducting Anne, she would have given him a hell of a time while in captivity." (On a gunman who tried to kidnap the Princess Royal in 1974).

"I hope he breaks his bloody neck." (when a photographer covering a royal visit to India fell out of a tree).

"If it doesn't fart or eat hay, she's not interested." (on the Princess Royal).

"When a man opens a car door for his wife, it's either a new car or a new wife." (on marriage).

"It's a pleasant change to be in a country that isn't ruled by its people." (to Alfredo Stroessner, the Paraguayan dictator).

"Where did you get that hat?" (supposedly to Queen at her Coronation).

[Niamh.]

Wait, you censored the word ***? :joker: that's accepted slang for Americans, there's even a football team called that!

Can you not post it again after I deleted it, thanks. It was pretty offensive in the context it was used

[user104658]

...how anyone could think that brooch looked nice is beyond me...I can’t think it would have been worn for any other reason than to ‘state something‘...it’s hideous....

"The English take the breeding of their horses and dogs more seriously than they do their children," she told Welt am Sonntag. "God forbid that the wrong drop of blood should get into their labrador. But their children marry everywhere."

Princess Michael of Kent

:umm2:

[Ammi]

"The English take the breeding of their horses and dogs more seriously than they do their children," she told Welt am Sonntag. "God forbid that the wrong drop of blood should get into their labrador. But their children marry everywhere."

Princess Michael of Kent

:umm2:

...this was something..(...part of a quote..)...about Harry...back in the day when he wore the Nazi uniform...

[Ammi]

...poor Meghan, though...she had the undertones of racism to contend with plus being referred to as Harry’s ‘showgirl’ within their own circles ...Lord, she became a miserable pain though, what on Earth was wrong with her...

[Ammi]

...just going to the brooch again because I’m just reading this now... so such an offensive Brooch was allowed but when Meghan wore a necklace with her and Harry’s initials on it ....an ‘MH’ necklace...she got a phone call from a senior palace aide, asking her not to wear it again...."She was advised that wearing such a necklace only served to encourage the photographers to keep pursuing such images - and new headlines."...(...all allegedly in the book, obviously...)...

[jet]

According to accounts, Meghan suffered from racism in school, in her acting career; is that part of why she fled back to a country far more racist than our own, which she herself stated when she and Harry went to live in Canada that she would never return to while Trump was still president....

[Niamh.]

According to accounts, Meghan suffered from racism in school, in her acting career; is that part of why she fled back to a country far more racist than our own, which she herself stated when she and Harry went to live in Canada that she would never return to while Trump was still president....

Maybe she learned the grass wasn't greener...........

Are people not allowed to change their minds? I change my mind all the time :shrug:

[bots]

Maybe she learned the grass wasn't greener...........

Are people not allowed to change their minds? I change my mind all the time :shrug:

are you sure about that?

[jet]

Maybe she learned the grass wasn't greener...........

Are people not allowed to change their minds? I change my mind all the time :shrug:

You women and your perogatives :laugh:

[Niamh.]

are you sure about that?

:hehe:

You women and your perogatives :laugh:

Too right :hee:

[jet]

Princess Michael was always a snobby horror. Diana couldn't stand her and apparently one day when Princess Michael went into the courtyard to greet her guests Diana threw open the window and sang 'Oh what a loverly morning...'
- topless! :hehe:

[Cherie]

Princess Michael was always a snobby horror. Diana couldn't stand her and apparently one day when Princess Michael went into the courtyard to greet her guests Diana threw open the window and sang 'Oh what a loverly morning...'
- topless! :hehe:

:joker: brilliant

I always thought the brooch was worn to offend tbf

[Crimson Dynamo]

i think that her taking issue with a brooch and not giving the benefit of the doubt really just illustrates waht a nasty piece of work she is. Also in the book it says that she saw Charles as her 2nd Father. well she has rinsed her actual dad out to dry so that really is just another dig at her poor father whom she despises

:(

[user104658]

i think that her taking issue with a brooch and not giving the benefit of the doubt really just illustrates waht a nasty piece of work she is. Also in the book it says that she saw Charles as her 2nd Father. well she has rinsed her actual dad out to dry so that really is just another dig at her poor father whom she despises

:(

The idea that people "owe" their parents unconditional good regard and respect regardless of their actions is an inherently flawed one, I find. Really it's just used as an excuse to be a ****ty parent (or person) and then say "Waaaah you have to still like & respect me because I spat you out of my willy(/pushed you out of my vagina) AND I spent money on feeding you waah".

If I turn out to be a crappy dad I hope I've at least done a good enough job to raise daughters with the self-confidence to tell me so and avoid me. Know what I won't do if that happens? Whine about it to tabloid journalists for cash.

[Crimson Dynamo]

the idea that people "owe" their parents unconditional good regard and respect regardless of their actions is an inherently flawed one, i find. Really it's just used as an excuse to be a ****ty parent (or person) and then say "waaaah you have to still like & respect me because i spat you out of my willy(/pushed you out of my vagina) and i spent money on feeding you waah".

If i turn out to be a crappy dad i hope i've at least done a good enough job to raise daughters with the self-confidence to tell me so and avoid me. Know what i won't do if that happens? Whine about it to tabloid journalists for cash.

you do realise she literally falls out with everyone?

[user104658]

you do realise she literally falls out with everyone?

Yes I'm sure her relationships with "everyone" have been fully documented, and people don't have a vested interest in only reporting those she's had fallouts with.

[rusticgal]

Yes, but WHY is he talking about worrying, concerning issues every other day NOW. It was a rare thing to see him do so in all of his 36 years. Even in the past when talking about his passion, the Invictus games, his infectious, bubbly personality shone through. That is completely gone. Maybe because he was sincerely passionate and enthusiastic about the Invictus games and wounded veterans. I'm not sure his heart is fully in what he is saying now, he sounds like Meghans puppet.

Does he really believe that the British public are happy to tolerate an enormously privileged man wagging his finger at them about their supposed racism, actually apologising for them and their ‘unconscious bias’ or how they are destroying the environment while hopping on private jets and driving gas guzzling SUV’s. I mean, who does he think he is?

They left the Royal family, thinking they were going to be lauded in the USA, (or more likely, Meghan did) - mingling with A list celebs, bringing in big bucks making speeches and being the star turn at glittering charity balls. Meghan becoming a big noise in politics even - and I think now that is her aim, and why they are jumping on the latest ‘in’ cause to come along every 5 minutes. Their biggest fear, imo, is fading into obscurity after their big dramatic departure from the Royals, so they have to get their faces out there somehow, anyhow.

That was a big reason why they left the Royals in the first place - the 2 heirs were more important than they were and they couldn’t bear not being the star turns. The public being all newly fangled with the newlyweds went to their heads and they thought the world was their oyster and the Royals would suffer terribly without them - It was the “We’ll show them”!!! mentality. Well, all they have showed us is 2 bores who are desperate for relevance. JMO!

:clap1:....I couldnt agree more.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Shortly after the announcement, royal correspondent Camilla Tominey claimed she was told by two sources that “Kate was left in tears" by Meghan following a row over Princess Charlotte's bridesmaid's dress before the royal wedding in May.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1315288/meghan-markle-news-book-prince-harry-kate-middleton-rift-royal-family-spt

I mean could there be anyone nicer than Kate? Only just met her and already making her cry??

[user104658]

I mean could there be anyone nicer than Kate? Only just met her and already making her cry??

I don't know and neither do you because - just as with Megan - neither of us have met any of these people and are going entirely on 2nd/3rd/4th+ hand information about them that we've read online or in papers (if we are Luddites).

[jet]

The idea that people "owe" their parents unconditional good regard and respect regardless of their actions is an inherently flawed one, I find. Really it's just used as an excuse to be a ****ty parent (or person) and then say "Waaaah you have to still like & respect me because I spat you out of my willy(/pushed you out of my vagina) AND I spent money on feeding you waah".

If I turn out to be a crappy dad I hope I've at least done a good enough job to raise daughters with the self-confidence to tell me so and avoid me. Know what I won't do if that happens? Whine about it to tabloid journalists for cash.

Meghan was always saying how wonderful her Dad was pre - Harry. There was the speech she gave on something or other when she was full of praise for him and references on her 'Tig' blog about how he was the best Dad in the world.
What makes you think he was crappy?

[user104658]

Meghan was always saying how wonderful her Dad was pre - Harry. There was the speech she gave on something or other when she was full of praise for him and references on her 'Tig' blog about how he was the best Dad in the world.

People praising their crappy parents in the hopes that the positive attention will turn them into better people is extremely common.

What makes you think he was crappy?

He sold stories about his daughter to tabloids.

[Livia]

Maybe they're impostors. I'm sure I read that Harry and Meghan didn't want anything to do with the nasty press.

[jet]

People praising their crappy parents in the hopes that the positive attention will turn them into better people is extremely common.

Yeah, right. :joker:

He sold stories about his daughter to tabloids.

Stupid thing to do, but there is a long story leading up to that, which you either are ignorant of or you don't want to comment on because you know Meghan doesn't come out of it smelling of roses.

[user104658]

Yeah, right. :joker:

:shrug: "Developmental psychology, pfft mumbo jumbo"

Stupid thing to do, but there is a long story leading up to that, which you either are ignorant of or you don't want to comment on because you know Meghan doesn't come out of it smelling of roses.

I don't care how long the story is, it's not about being ignorant of it, it's that it doesn't matter. I don't care if she shat on his bed and killed his cat. Selling stories about your kids makes you a crappy parent, full stop. There's nothing to know.

[Niamh.]

:shrug: "Developmental psychology, pfft mumbo jumbo"



I don't care how long the story is, it's not about being ignorant of it, it's that it doesn't matter. I don't care if she shat on his bed and killed his cat. Selling stories about your kids makes you a crappy parent, full stop. There's nothing to know.

Yep, there is nothing else to say about that imo

[The Slim Reaper]

Niamh in selling stories about her sons favourite PS4 game to the Irish times, shocker.

"He likes The Last Of Us 2" said the housewife. :smug:

[jet]

:shrug: "Developmental psychology, pfft mumbo jumbo"



I don't care how long the story is, it's not about being ignorant of it, it's that it doesn't matter. I don't care if she shat on his bed and killed his cat. Selling stories about your kids makes you a crappy parent, full stop. There's nothing to know.

Great Dad before Harry, crappy Dad after. :shrug:

Meghan leaking contents of a letter to 5 friends putting her father in a bad light so they can talk to the press about it (People Mag) isn't great either.

Crappy Dad, crappy daughter. :shrug:

[The Slim Reaper]

Great Dad before Harry, crappy Dad after. :shrug:

Meghan leaking contents of a letter to 5 friends putting her father in a bad light so they can talk to the press about it (People Mag) isn't great either.

Crappy Dad, crappy daughter. :shrug:

If I was in the same situation, I'd also reveal what he'd written in the letter, because sometimes you need to talk these things through with the people you trust the most to get opinions, and a different set of eyes away from personal anger and animus is often the right way to go.

Don't you talk through your IRL problems with the people you trust?

[user104658]

Great Dad before Harry, crappy Dad after. :shrug:

Quite a lot of people don't preperly reflect on their family until they have a decent family of their own, I find. Perhaps Harry's conduct as a partner is part of what made her re-evaluate her relationship with her dad? All speculation of course because - again - neither of us know these people.

Meghan leaking contents of a letter to 5 friends putting her father in a bad light so they can talk to the press about it (People Mag) isn't great either.

Crappy Dad, crappy daughter. :shrug:

People talking about their experiences being raised is healthy and legitimate, selling out on your children is not. I realise some people might see that as a double standard, but I don't know how to further convey the message that "it doesn't matter what sort of son/daughter someone is when it comes to being a decent parent".

[Tom4784]

Anyone that would sell stories on their children is scum. If this was Kate's father, the people cheering on Meghan's would revile him and rightfully so but because his stories paint Meghan in a bad light, he is held up as a hero in their eyes.

It's sad when obssession overcomes morality, rationality and common sense.

Anyone that sells stories about their kids is a ****, end of.

[jet]

I'm not condoning what Mr. Markle did, it was wrong.
But neither to I adhere to the ‘daughters and sons can treat their parents like s*** and they just have to suck it up’ school of thought either.
All adults are responsible for their actions.

It’s just sad the way things have turned out with Meghan and her Dad, especially when the whole saga could have been avoided by making sure her father was looked after when he was being hounded by the press and bringing Harry to meet him. Or just returning his desperate calls.

He was a hurt and frustrated man, and hurt and frustrated people do stupid things.

[user104658]

I'm not condoning what Mr. Markle did, it was wrong.
But neither to I adhere to the ‘daughters and sons can treat their parents like s*** and they just have to suck it up’ school of thought either.
All adults are responsible for their actions.

It’s just sad the way things have turned out with Meghan and her Dad, especially when the whole saga could have been avoided by making sure her father was looked after when he was being hounded by the press and bringing Harry to meet him. Or just returning his desperate calls.

He was a hurt and frustrated man, and hurt and frustrated people do stupid things.

They don't have to suck it up, they don't have to say nothing, they don't have to like their children or their actions, they don't have to put up with mistreatment, they don't have to not be angry or express anger, or sadness, or whatever else they're feeling, to their children... or to confidants...

...they do have to refrain from taking action specifically designed to cause harm, and from exploiting for financial gain. He didn't "slip up" and accidentally sell tabloid stories, that's not something that can happen without plenty of opportunity to reconsider.

It's fine that you disagree but there are many people, including myself, who find his behaviour selfish and highly questionable in terms of what sort of person he is overall. It makes other criticism of him far more believable, at the very least.

[jet]

They don't have to suck it up, they don't have to say nothing, they don't have to like their children or their actions, they don't have to put up with mistreatment, they don't have to not be angry or express anger, or sadness, or whatever else they're feeling, to their children... or to confidants...

...they do have to refrain from taking action specifically designed to cause harm, and from exploiting for financial gain. He didn't "slip up" and accidentally sell tabloid stories, that's not something that can happen without plenty of opportunity to reconsider.

It's fine that you disagree but there are many people, including myself, who find his behaviour selfish and highly questionable in terms of what sort of person he is overall. It makes other criticism of him far more believable, at the very least.

The articles that I read always added: Mr. Markle was not paid for this Interview.
How do you know if he was?

[The Slim Reaper]

If I'm not saying what he did was right, but he only did it because they made him is considered a reasonable explanation, then absolutely no one is responsible for their own actions.

[Ammi]

...Sadly her father sold her for a few pieces of silver, that’s the crux of it...he had a choice not to but he chose to...I can’t imagine how she must have felt, being ‘sold’ by someone she had complete trust in...

[Niamh.]

Following his daughter’s wedding to Prince Harry, Meghan Markle’s father has been doing a number of interviews in the media and blasting the royal family. His motives for doing so have been questioned a number of times and people are beginning to wonder if he truly doesn’t understand how he’s coming off or if money is the reason he won’t stop talking. Here’s more on Thomas Markle Sr.’s finances and how much he’s reportedly making off his daughter’s fame.

The former actress’ dad has given one scathing interview after another and while one in particular with the Daily Mail was reportedly done without an exchange of cash, that hasn’t been the case with all of them. Markle Sr. admitted himself that he was paid to take paparazzi photos that were staged prior to the royal wedding. However, he claimed that he didn’t do it for money but rather to repair his image because photographers had only snapped unflattering pictures of him.

“They’d take photos of me grabbing a beer, take photos of me getting into my car … they’d take photos of me making me look negative,” he said.

There’s no good excuse though for him talking to the press about his daughter and her husband on several other occasions and accepting payouts for thousands of dollars to do so.

Less than a month after the world watched Meghan marry Prince Harry, Markle Sr. gave an interview to ITV’s Good Morning Britain for a reported $10,000. However, other sites have said the amount was actually much higher.

In addition, Markle Sr. has continued his own personal media tour with TMZ as well as tabloids in Britain for undisclosed amounts. In every interview, he seems more and more bitter when talking about Meghan and her in-laws so it appears at this point that he’s just selling his daughter out.

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/how-much-money-is-thomas-markle-sr-worth.html/

[user104658]

The articles that I read always added: Mr. Markle was not paid for this Interview.
How do you know if he was?

Him and a photographer staged photographs that were sold to the global press for a 6-figure sum. There's no "proof" that he got a slice of that/was paid in advance by said photographer, but you'd have to be pretty naive to not think it likely.

edit: to add to that, I can't find many that state he was NOT paid for comments and interviews, only reports that say it is "unknown" whether or not he was given financial incentive. There's no rules on having to disclose it. Though for press transparency there probably SHOULD be.

[jet]

If I'm not saying what he did was right, but he only did it because they made him is considered a reasonable explanation, then absolutely no one is responsible for their own actions.

Everyone is responsible for their actions, because they have to pay the price of those actions. Mr. Markle, Harry and Meghan are now all paying the price for what they all did.

[Ammi]

Him and a photographer staged photographs that were sold to the global press for a 6-figure sum. There's no "proof" that he got a slice of that/was paid in advance by said photographer, but you'd have to be pretty naive to not think it likely.

...the sad thing is that I personally believe that he probably got paid very little for them ...but others made a lot of money out of them...I think he ‘sold her’ for quite a relatively small fee...

[user104658]

...the sad thing is that I personally believe that he probably got paid very little for them ...but others made a lot of money out of them...I think he ‘sold her’ for quite a relatively small fee...

I agree I think the most likely scenario in that case is that he was paid a couple of thousand up-front by the photographer, with no idea what they would be worth "at market". That really makes it somehow worse though.

[Ammi]

I agree I think the most likely scenario in that case is that he was paid a couple of thousand up-front by the photographer, with no idea what they would be worth "at market". That really makes it somehow worse though.

...yeah it’s really quite grim and it’s only my personal thoughts...but nothing about him, that I’ve seen of him in interviews etc...makes me feel that he got a large sum of money for the photographs...I think upwards of £100,000 was reported...but I think it’s others that made that type of money, not him...it’s all very sad ...

[user104658]

...yeah it’s really quite grim and it’s only my personal thoughts...but nothing about him, that I’ve seen of him in interviews etc...makes me feel that he got a large sum of money for the photographs...I think upwards of £100,000 was reported...but I think it’s others that made that type of money, not him...it’s all very sad ...

All areas of the press are of course making HUGE sums of money out of all of it... I think that's part of what makes the whole thing so reminiscent of Diana. She "sold papers" and, whether directly or indirectly, that lead to her premature death.

[thesheriff443]

...Sadly her father sold her for a few pieces of silver, that’s the crux of it...he had a choice not to but he chose to...I can’t imagine how she must have felt, being ‘sold’ by someone she had complete trust in...

He didn’t sell her to a slave trader did he, just a story along with many other stories written about her by many other people.

[jet]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12230560/meghan-harry-rejected-help-protect-dad/

CUT ADRIFT Harry and Meghan rejected offers to help protect her ‘troubled’ dad Thomas Markle, bombshell book claims.

PRINCE Harry and Meghan Markle rejected offers to help protect Thomas Markle, sources have claimed.

Palace aides have revealed the pair refused to "engage" with Meghan's dad ahead of their wedding in 2018.

Sources told the Sunday Times they didn't listen to suggestions they should meet Thomas, 76, before and after announcing their plans to get married.
And when courtiers raised worries the retired lighting director would be overwhelmed without support, Harry and Meghan are said to have rejected ideas on how to prepare him.

A source told the newspaper: "We repeatedly sat down with Harry and Meghan before the engagement announcement to say this needed to be handled sensitively, but that it had to be handled.
"We desperately asked them to engage with Thomas, but they wouldn’t. Aides also offered to go personally and see him to try and find a way to protect him.

"There is genuine disbelief and bemusement in the household at the couple’s approach to him and that Harry has still not met his father-in-law.”

Another aide said: “Thomas is troubled, but Harry and Meghan would not engage in the issue of going out to see him and for Harry to meet him. It was raised before their engagement and again constantly in the months afterwards, leading up to the wedding.

"Everyone knew it would be a huge issue that would explode if they didn’t address it and deal with it.”

In Finding Freedom, serialised in The Sunday Times reports how Meghan blamed the media for the fallout, saying: “He’s vulnerable. He’s been baited.

"A lot of the tabloid journalists have been coaxing him and paying him. I don’t know if he really even had a chance.”

The Sussexes had declined to comment.

The Duchess has blamed the breakdown of her relationship on the press before, revealing in new court papers filed by her lawyers they became distanced when he was "targeted three years ago".

She said they “had a very close father/daughter relationship throughout her childhood and remained close", until he was unable to come to her wedding 2018.

[Ammi]

All areas of the press are of course making HUGE sums of money out of all of it... I think that's part of what makes the whole thing so reminiscent of Diana. She "sold papers" and, whether directly or indirectly, that lead to her premature death.

...yeah absolutely...Harry I think has been very scarred by the media particularly because he’s had his parentage questioned as well....

[Cherie]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12230560/meghan-harry-rejected-help-protect-dad/

CUT ADRIFT Harry and Meghan rejected offers to help protect her ‘troubled’ dad Thomas Markle, bombshell book claims.

PRINCE Harry and Meghan Markle rejected offers to help protect Thomas Markle, sources have claimed.

Palace aides have revealed the pair refused to "engage" with Meghan's dad ahead of their wedding in 2018.

Sources told the Sunday Times they didn't listen to suggestions they should meet Thomas, 76, before and after announcing their plans to get married.
And when courtiers raised worries the retired lighting director would be overwhelmed without support, Harry and Meghan are said to have rejected ideas on how to prepare him.

A source told the newspaper: "We repeatedly sat down with Harry and Meghan before the engagement announcement to say this needed to be handled sensitively, but that it had to be handled.
"We desperately asked them to engage with Thomas, but they wouldn’t. Aides also offered to go personally and see him to try and find a way to protect him.

"There is genuine disbelief and bemusement in the household at the couple’s approach to him and that Harry has still not met his father-in-law.”

Another aide said: “Thomas is troubled, but Harry and Meghan would not engage in the issue of going out to see him and for Harry to meet him. It was raised before their engagement and again constantly in the months afterwards, leading up to the wedding.

"Everyone knew it would be a huge issue that would explode if they didn’t address it and deal with it.”

In Finding Freedom, serialised in The Sunday Times reports how Meghan blamed the media for the fallout, saying: “He’s vulnerable. He’s been baited.

"A lot of the tabloid journalists have been coaxing him and paying him. I don’t know if he really even had a chance.”

The Sussexes had declined to comment.

The Duchess has blamed the breakdown of her relationship on the press before, revealing in new court papers filed by her lawyers they became distanced when he was "targeted three years ago".

She said they “had a very close father/daughter relationship throughout her childhood and remained close", until he was unable to come to her wedding 2018.

How can anyone claim fo be close to their Dad and not introduce them to the person they are going to marry

[thesheriff443]

...yeah absolutely...Harry I think has been very scarred by the media particularly because he’s had his parentage questioned as well....

And rightly so it was questioned since his mother admitted sleeping with ginger James hewit.

[The Slim Reaper]

And rightly so it was questioned since his mother admitted sleeping with ginger James hewit.

The ginger gene runs in Diana's family.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/07/27/02/0000FC6D00000CB2-0-image-m-100_1501117771265.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

Her father must be so heartbroken after all he did for her :(

[Niamh.]

Also, she had the affair with Hewitt after Harry was born apparently

[Crimson Dynamo]

Also, she had the affair with Hewitt after Harry was born apparently

she had quite a few affairs

[bots]

she had quite a few affairs

she had 7 lovers apparently and 1 butler

[Ammi]

The ginger gene runs in Diana's family.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/07/27/02/0000FC6D00000CB2-0-image-m-100_1501117771265.jpg

...and Diana’s sister, Sarah...but I think Harry has always most looked like his father, Charles...

[Crimson Dynamo]

"The book also claims Meghan expanded Harry's "spiritual world", introducing him to yoga through her own practice and with her encouragement he began a daily session of meditation."

:joker:

[Niamh.]

she had quite a few affairs

No wonder she did since Charles was never actually committed to her from day 1 :shrug:

[The Slim Reaper]

...and Diana’s sister, Sarah...but I think Harry has always most looked like his father, Charles...

Don't forget her cousin, Lady Annie of Mosside.

[Niamh.]

Don't forget her cousin, Lady Annie of Mosside.

:laugh:

[Ammi]

Don't forget her cousin, Lady Annie of Mosside.

..Annie’s the rightful heir to the throne...?...I knew it...

[Ammi]

...goddamn it, I’m going to sell Annie’s story and some photos as well...

[jet]

As per the article I posted:

Sources told the Sunday Times they didn't listen to suggestions they should meet Thomas, 76, before and after announcing their plans to get married.
And when courtiers raised worries the retired lighting director would be overwhelmed without support, Harry and Meghan are said to have rejected ideas on how to prepare him.

A source told the newspaper: "We repeatedly sat down with Harry and Meghan before the engagement announcement to say this needed to be handled sensitively, but that it had to be handled.
"We desperately asked them to engage with Thomas, but they wouldn’t. Aides also offered to go personally and see him to try and find a way to protect him.

"There is genuine disbelief and bemusement in the household at the couple’s approach to him and that Harry has still not met his father-in-law.”

This is so strange, as it was BEFORE he had the pap photos taken which was said to be the cause of their estrangement.
Thoughts?

[Crimson Dynamo]

No wonder she did since Charles was never actually committed to her from day 1 :shrug:

that isnt an excuse. she had the life of riley

[AnnieK]

One day I will accept my destiny and be crowned and all you peasants will be sorry :fist:

Poor Harry all those rumours about his parentage.
My brother often said I was the postman's because he and both my parents had dark hair and skin that actually tans and I was ginger with lily white skin. Although.....my mum did work for the Post Office :shrug:

[Niamh.]

that isnt an excuse. she had the life of riley

Umm pretty damn good excuse if you ask me, she owed the cheating scumbag no loyalty

[The Slim Reaper]

One day I will accept my destiny and be crowned and all you peasants will be sorry :fist:

Poor Harry all those rumours about his parentage.
My brother often said I was the postman's because he and both my parents had dark hair and skin that actually tans and I was ginger with lily white skin. Although.....my mum did work for the Post Office :shrug:

One whiff of power and you go full Cersei. :smug:

[Ammi]

One day I will accept my destiny and be crowned and all you peasants will be sorry :fist:

Poor Harry all those rumours about his parentage.
My brother often said I was the postman's because he and both my parents had dark hair and skin that actually tans and I was ginger with lily white skin. Although.....my mum did work for the Post Office :shrug:

...:fan:...

[Cherie]

As per the article I posted:



This is so strange, as it was BEFORE he had the pap photos taken which was said to be the cause of their estrangement.
Thoughts?

I have always found the whole thing very odd, the idea that her Dad had no protection or guidance from the Palace seemed at odds with how carefully the Palace choreograph every move

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its all going to end badly, i can feel it in my water

[Cherie]

One day I will accept my destiny and be crowned and all you peasants will be sorry :fist:

Poor Harry all those rumours about his parentage.
My brother often said I was the postman's because he and both my parents had dark hair and skin that actually tans and I was ginger with lily white skin. Although.....my mum did work for the Post Office :shrug:

so it was you on the bus that day I was regaled completed with DNA evidence from a fat file that you were the rightful Queen, and that Liz and Philip would be ousted as people were going to march on the palace :laugh:

[Ammi]

One day I will accept my destiny and be crowned and all you peasants will be sorry :fist:

Poor Harry all those rumours about his parentage.
My brother often said I was the postman's because he and both my parents had dark hair and skin that actually tans and I was ginger with lily white skin. Although.....my mum did work for the Post Office :shrug:

...but yeah, poor Harry...he’s had that add on thing of knowing all the media and public gossip about his parentage ...

[AnnieK]

so it was you on the bus that day I was regaled completed with DNA evidence from a fat file that you were the rightful Queen, and that Liz and Philip would be ousted as people were going to march on the palace :laugh:

Ssssshhhh.....:laugh:

Although I did once meet a lady myself on a train who told me she was the Queen of Sheeba, I curtsyed and everything. (I was 4 and would never sit with my mum because she was boring and so used to find someone far more interesting to talk at)

[jet]

I have always found the whole thing very odd, the idea that her Dad had no protection or guidance from the Palace seemed at odds with how carefully the Palace choreograph every move

Some believe (and it was in that other book from a few weeks back that I haven’t read yet -‘The Real Story’) that Meghan told Harry that she had had a troubled childhood with her family to empathise with his own childhood as a way of reeling him in - ‘the ‘we are in this together’ tactic.
She then had to keep Harry and her father well away from each other until she had the ring on her finger because her story would have been blown wide open.
I wouldn't put it past her.
Tbh I have never heard anything other than she had a very loving and even spoilt upbringing with every advantage given her by a hard working father.

[bots]

royalty and bastard is like coffee and cream

[Liam-]

He has spent his entire life being called the ‘spare to the heir’ and his family ties being questioned and pulled apart, bearing in mind William is also a ginger, he’s always been thought of as second class to Will and now people find joy in torturing him and his wife, it’s tragic, I don’t blame him if he looks a bit sullen every now and then, wouldn’t you be?

[Ammi]

...gosh, I wonder why Lady Colin Campbell would have possibly written ‘the real story’ for £17.49 per hard copy volume...she’s also written about the Queen’s marriage and sex life, I think...

[jet]

I didn't rate Lady Colin Campbell as an author, though I find her amusing... but just had a look on Amazon - 416 ratings and rave reviews...
Getting it on my kindle....

[thesheriff443]

..Annie’s the rightful heir to the throne...?...I knew it...

No, she is just a ginger from Manchester.

[Ammi]

...she is amusing, I agree...she featured in the documentary at the weekend and it was obvious that she disapproved of Meghan as a royal bride...I would say it’s probably closer to fiction tbh...a gal’s making her pennies, though...

[Ammi]

...Annie isn’t ‘just’ anything...she’s a sensation...:flutter:..

[AnnieK]

No, she is just a ginger from Manchester.

Off with his head :hmph:

[thesheriff443]

[QUOTE=AnnieK;10894744]Off with his head :hmph

I see you as the queen in black adder

[jet]

A lot of the reviews are saying her book is well balanced and fair. :shrug:

[Ammi]

...it can’t be balanced and fair because Lady Colin Campbell doesn’t know the ‘real story’ ...writing these ‘real stories’ is what she does....people will believe what they want to believe, though...that’s the only ‘real story’ I guess...how could anyone who has read it, possibly know if it was fair or balanced...I only go with what makes sense and that doesn’t...

[jet]

They can’t know - they can only go by what they have seen and read already and make up their own minds. We don't know yet who Lady Colin has spoken with, who her connections are etc. With this book, the reviewers seem to think she has been balanced as she has been quite fair to Meghan, with a mixture of criticism and understanding.
Same with Finding Freedom, the authors don’t know the real story either - only what the friends etc they have spoken to have told them, according to Meghan and Harry. But I never trust a book where the subjects themselves have led the narrative, especially about a couple who never once have taken the blame for anything…and the contents contain a lot of spite and point scoring, by all accounts.
But of course, I haven’t read either book yet myself and just some serialization of Finding Freedom.

[Marsh.]

Yep, they are jumping on every latest bandwagon to make waves with their pontificating, trying to stay relevant on their own. If they led the private life they said they wanted there would be nothing for the press to report. They are embarrassing themselves.

They wanted their private life to be private, which it now is.

If you thought they were going to disappear never to be seen again then that's something you have misunderstood from the start.

Who knew wanting to do work for the good of millions of other people would attract such animosity. :idc:

That works both ways. :hee:
That is the 4th video I've seen of him this week pontificating earnestly about some weighty subject. Ffs Harry go and do something fun that makes the news like naked pool shenanigans, like you used to. It would do you the world of good. :laugh:

Yet, if they were "having fun like naked pool shenanigans" you'd be slagging them off for that.

[Marsh.]

XeBUiV3XiDM

This sums up the chip paper that will be Lady C's "book".

[Ammi]

...the thing is, we don’t know what fair and balanced would be because we don’t know what the ‘real story’ would be...and I don’t think that any of us would like to be judged by a ‘source’ who knew nothing in depth about our lives because the ‘sources’ in books like this are often very obscure...I mean if Meghan was a manipulative person for instance...then a ‘fair and balanced’ judgement of her as such, wouldn’t actually be accurate..and as the readers/reviewers don’t know Meghan or Harry, then they have no measure of fair or balanced....and everything can’t be ‘the real story’... there are so many real stories and all too conflicting or differing...what I don’t personally trust are stories which are commercially driven in their ‘truths’....

[bots]

all we can really do is judge them by their actions and if i were being kind i would describe them as naive

[Crimson Dynamo]

all we can really do is judge them by their actions and if i were being kind i would describe them as naive

AND DESPERATE

[Ammi]

XeBUiV3XiDM

This sums up the chip paper that will be Lady C's "book".

....ooops..’...I don’t deal with servants...’...

[jet]

...the thing is, we don’t know what fair and balanced would be because we don’t know what the ‘real story’ would be...and I don’t think that any of us would like to be judged by a ‘source’ who knew nothing in depth about our lives because the ‘sources’ in books like this are often very obscure...I mean if Meghan was a manipulative person for instance...then a ‘fair and balanced’ judgement of her as such, wouldn’t actually be accurate..and as the readers/reviewers don’t know Meghan or Harry, then they have no measure of fair or balanced....and everything can’t be ‘the real story’... there are so many real stories and all too conflicting or differing...what I don’t personally trust are stories which are commercially driven in their ‘truths’....

If I approached reading a biography in that way I would never have bothered reading any at all - it would be too exhausting. I'm a prolific reader and I read for enjoyment, not torture, and when I'm finished I'm left with whatever my overall impression is. :shrug:

[joeysteele]

...the thing is, we don’t know what fair and balanced would be because we don’t know what the ‘real story’ would be...and I don’t think that any of us would like to be judged by a ‘source’ who knew nothing in depth about our lives because the ‘sources’ in books like this are often very obscure...I mean if Meghan was a manipulative person for instance...then a ‘fair and balanced’ judgement of her as such, wouldn’t actually be accurate..and as the readers/reviewers don’t know Meghan or Harry, then they have no measure of fair or balanced....and everything can’t be ‘the real story’... there are so many real stories and all too conflicting or differing...what I don’t personally trust are stories which are commercially driven in their ‘truths’....

This for me.

I can't really get worked up about the Royals really.
They don't really affect me and I'll never know any of them, so will never really know what they think, feel or even are.

They are still however people.
I'd hate to be a Royal.
I think the life must be, while privileged, also unbearable too.

These 2 chose to slip off from the really active side of the Royal life.
So their privacy needs to be respected.

It was said earlier here that no way would it be, they went off and wouldn't be reported on again.
There's media who will always still want to know all about them.
Report on what they're doing
Then others wanting to maybe cash in on anything related to them.

As for the press.
Just gutter trash which I'd never hold as gospel, they'll twist anything to put sensation into the story even where there's possibly nothing.

I just wish these 2 well.
I think their privacy ought to be respected.
Whether I hear from them or about them is irrelevant to me, as they are irrelevant to myself anyway..

They've done nothing wrong and Meghan has done nothing substantiated that I can see, that warrants all the more acidic negativity towards her, from people and the media too.

[Marsh.]

If I approached reading a biography in that way I would never have bothered reading any at all

If you read any biographies written by people who write them based on fourth-hand gossip and take it very seriously then that's a naive mistake.

[Ammi]

.....I have to say, Jet...I’m not much of a biography reader...but I guess that if I was to read one, it would be one that I felt had some substance...where the author knew or had known in some depth, those whose lives they were giving pages of ‘insight’ on in apparently giving us their ‘real story’...even then, all a biography would be is personal perspective../...little more than an extended opinion piece...with the author of the book referred to and was apparently reviewed widely as ‘fair and balanced’....by her own admission, she prefers to not know or have any knowledge of the people she’s writing about...And yet it’s quite obvious from her interviews and from her articles that she has very formed and fixed opinions about the people she writes about and has no knowledge of, so it could never be fair or balanced...I guess for me a biography by definition would be ...’a detailed account of...etc...’...and again, by her own words, she has no detailed accounts of...very few of us do when it comes to marriages, even of very public people...’integrity’ seems to be a huge thing with Lady Colin...she doesn’t feel that Harry and Meghan are showing integrity by looking to earn their living in the USA...why can’t they just suck it up and have integrity by living off Royal money and being Royal and doing what Royal people do...she doesn’t see the irony of her words and how she earns a living and how that marries up to ‘integrity’ that she seems to hold so highly...

...but yeah, I’m a reader too and I like to form opinions ...but the foundation of opinion is substance and books such as this have none at all, so for me...(...as much as I can be amused by Lady Colin...)...this book would define torture..in my opinion of course...

[bots]

what usually happens when I biography is released is that it sparks debate and people in the know come forward to either confirm or deny the content. The bio itself doesnt need to be accurate if it brings out the correct version of events.

We all know that things could have been done better from Harry and Meghan's perspective. For people that are supposed to be media savvy they have done a piss poor job and have totally misread how the British public would react. There is no-one to blame for that but them. Have the media sensationalised it, yes of course they have, but who honestly expected it to be different. As for it being racist, well the Royal family have made gaff after gaff for generations and been subject to exactly the same level of press scrutiny so it's pretty much normal. Has it brought out unacceptable comments about Meghan? Yes it has, no excuse for that at all, but that doesn't make Meghan an angel either.

[Ammi]

...there are no ‘angels’, bots...the ‘angels’ and the ‘villains or demons’ are what the media create and they often seem to have to create both so they can put them against each other as has been done with Kate and Meghan..it’s what makes the money, honey in stories ...and as we know from pantomime land...the villain is the one the audience all love to hate and Boooooo and often have the greater interest in...Meghan being portrayed as an ‘angel’ in their stories, just wouldn’t have the same income/interest...

[joeysteele]

...there are no ‘angels’, bots...the ‘angels’ and the ‘villains or demons’ are what the media create and they often seem to have to create both so they can put them against each other as has been done with Kate and Meghan..it’s what makes the money, honey in stories ...and as we know from pantomime land...the villain is the one the audience all love to hate and Boooooo and often have the greater interest in...Meghan being portrayed as an ‘angel’ in their stories, just wouldn’t have the same income/interest...


I totally agree.

The last lines very strong points, I've not much more to add to what I said before.

I just cannot get what it is, she's done that's so wrong and warrants such continuous and always negative personal attack towards her.

The nonsense of Harry not being happy.
Even worse.
Of course he's happy with her.
That's obvious to see for me anyway.

He's however likely not happy and even furious, that there's elements of media and people who are being so acidic and at times unfairly critical of HIS chosen wife.

[thesheriff443]

...there are no ‘angels’, bots...the ‘angels’ and the ‘villains or demons’ are what the media create and they often seem to have to create both so they can put them against each other as has been done with Kate and Meghan..it’s what makes the money, honey in stories ...and as we know from pantomime land...the villain is the one the audience all love to hate and Boooooo and often have the greater interest in...Meghan being portrayed as an ‘angel’ in their stories, just wouldn’t have the same income/interest...

Broad minded people like myself don’t hang on every word that’s written about someone and then make up our minds if they are good or bad I look at the actions of that person and what comes out of their own mouths.

I have respect for the people who are actually living a life without the basic’s that we all take for granted.

I don’t have respect for two morons living in a mansion wanting for nothing making empty statements while complaining how hard it’s been for them.

[thesheriff443]

From the start they should of got married in a registry office instead making the tax payers pay for their lavish wedding so Meghan could invite a list celebrity’s to it that she hadn’t even met.

And in preparation for it the homeless where moved off the streets of Windsor so they would not be seen on tv.

[Tom4784]

Broad minded people like myself don’t hang on every word that’s written about someone and then make up our minds if they are good or bad I look at the actions of that person and what comes out of their own mouths.

I have respect for the people who are actually living a life without the basic’s that we all take for granted.

I don’t have respect for two morons living in a mansion wanting for nothing making empty statements while complaining how hard it’s been for them.

How can you call yourself broad minded in one breath and then disregard someone's struggles at the end of your post because of their status? Hypocrisy.

Gatekeeping struggling is just.... peak Tibb.

[Oliver_W]

Can you not post it again after I deleted it, thanks. It was pretty offensive in the context it was used

Sorry Paddy <3

[Niamh.]

Sorry Paddy <3

That's my dads name :idc:

[Oliver_W]

That's my dads name :idc:

No sweat, my Scottish cousin is called Scott :joker:

[thesheriff443]

How can you call yourself broad minded in one breath and then disregard someone's struggles at the end of your post because of their status? Hypocrisy.

Gatekeeping struggling is just.... peak Tibb.

They ain’t struggling, they are so bored and wanting attention they are jumping on the racism bandwagon.

They are struggling to deal with the fact no one is interested in their bollox.

[Tom4784]

They ain’t struggling, they are so bored and wanting attention they are jumping on the racism bandwagon.

They are struggling to deal with the fact no one is interested in their bollox.

How very broad minded of you.

I do love it when someone claims that someone they do not know is not struggling. Do you know these people personally? Can you attest to their troubles or are you simply being gullible in believing gossip to be fact?

You don't know their lives, you don't know anyone's struggles so stop acting like you do.

[thesheriff443]

How very broad minded of you.

I do love it when someone claims that someone they do not know is not struggling. Do you know these people personally? Can you attest to their troubles or are you simply being gullible in believing gossip to be fact?

You don't know their lives, you don't know anyone's struggles so stop acting like you do.

What do you think they are struggling with?

Its not from lack of food/water medical supplies no were to live not having any money to pay the bills, in fear for their lives.

You ain’t got a clue of real life struggles. All you can keep doing is defending people you don’t know while taking the high ground with the same lines.

[AnnieK]

Mental health struggles affect everyone.....just because a person has money doesn't mean they are not plagued by depression, anxiety etc. Look how many rich and famous take their own lives....money does not equal happiness and so yes, they live a very comfortable life in terms of material things but the richest person in the world can also be the saddest. Some people with nothing are happy with their lot too and wouldn't want the trapping of fame and fortune.

[The Slim Reaper]

The duchess has spoken.

[Aaliyah]

I'll never forgive this insufferable pair for what they've put the Queen through, she's nearly 100 years old and they (particularly the evil Megan) have put her through so much stress I'm surprised she's still here.

[bots]

once you get to a certain age, you couldn't care less about petty dramas which in the scope of things, this is, so the queen won't have been affected by these events at all

[thesheriff443]

Mental health struggles affect everyone.....just because a person has money doesn't mean they are not plagued by depression, anxiety etc. Look how many rich and famous take their own lives....money does not equal happiness and so yes, they live a very comfortable life in terms of material things but the richest person in the world can also be the saddest. Some people with nothing are happy with their lot too and wouldn't want the trapping of fame and fortune.

If you have money you can get access to the best mental health care in the world but a person who has no money kills them selves while waiting for an appointment.

My daugher has mental health problems and is on anti phycotic medication her mum died April when her heart stopped in her sleep my dad has liver cancer so yea we’ve all got real problems I don’t see that pair of over privileged twats giving the large on the back a poor black mans death as nothing more than attention seeking arse wipes.

[Oliver_W]

What do you think they are struggling with?

Its not from lack of food/water medical supplies no were to live not having any money to pay the bills, in fear for their lives.

You ain’t got a clue of real life struggles. All you can keep doing is defending people you don’t know while taking the high ground with the same lines.

Dude have you ever had mental health issues? As irrational as it may seem, having a house, food, water, and medical stuff sometimes just doesn't touch it.

[Marsh.]

What do you think they are struggling with?

Its not from lack of food/water medical supplies no were to live not having any money to pay the bills, in fear for their lives.

You ain’t got a clue of real life struggles. All you can keep doing is defending people you don’t know while taking the high ground with the same lines.

People have to literally be dying to be "struggling"?

Too "hard" to comprehend mental health issues?

Have a day off.

[Cherie]

If you have money you can get access to the best mental health care in the world but a person who has no money kills them selves while waiting for an appointment.

My daugher has mental health problems and is on anti phycotic medication her mum died April when her heart stopped in her sleep my dad has liver cancer so yea we’ve all got real problems I don’t see that pair of over privileged twats giving the large on the back a poor black mans death as nothing more than attention seeking arse wipes.

Tough time for you Sherriff, :hug:

[AnnieK]

If you have money you can get access to the best mental health care in the world but a person who has no money kills them selves while waiting for an appointment.

My daugher has mental health problems and is on anti phycotic medication her mum died April when her heart stopped in her sleep my dad has liver cancer so yea we’ve all got real problems I don’t see that pair of over privileged twats giving the large on the back a poor black mans death as nothing more than attention seeking arse wipes.

Your problems are awful Sheriff, I sympathise truly I do....but they don't impact on my life. I have had my fair share of loss recently and troubles and they do not impact on your life.

What I'm trying to say is, when you have mental health issues, whether you have access to professionals or not, your problems are huge. Robin Williams had multiple millions, he still took his own life and there are many many more examples of this.

When you have issues in your life, they are huge to YOU. To others you may seem self absorbed and up your own arse but to you its all consuming.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Your problems are awful Sheriff, I sympathise truly I do....but they don't impact on my life. I have had my fair share of loss recently and troubles and they do not impact on your life.

What I'm trying to say is, when you have mental health issues, whether you have access to professionals or not, your problems are huge. Robin Williams had multiple millions, he still took his own life and there are many many more examples of this.

When you have issues in your life, they are huge to YOU. To others you may seem self absorbed and up your own arse but to you its all consuming.

yes robin wi8liams had dependency issues and mental health issues well documented, severe case. Prince Harry hasnt. and there the comparison ends

[Marsh.]

yes robin wi8liams had dependency issues and mental health issues well documented, severe case. Prince Harry hasnt. and there the comparison ends

What would you know about Prince Harry's mental health?

[user104658]

I'll never forgive this insufferable pair for what they've put the Queen through, she's nearly 100 years old and they (particularly the evil Megan) have put her through so much stress I'm surprised she's still here.

I mean her own son is implicated in a massive global paedophile conspiracy but yeah I bet Megan has her proppa stressed.

[Ammi]

...I really am genuinely sorry about your daughter’s mother, Sheriff...and I know how difficult it must be with your daughter and her ongoing mental health issues...collectively for all of us, 2020 has been a rubbish year ..but then more so with individual sorrows for some as well...and I can completely understand why you have a low tolerance for Harry and Meghan and ‘their problems’...I know when I was ill, so many things just felt so small and insignificant in the ‘grand scheme’ ....but just following from Annie’s words, it’s us ...each and every one of us who are small/tiny in the grand scheme...and yet for us, our sorrows and worries are huge, they can become everything, our whole worlds at times...to others though, they are nothing...except for those, obviously, close to us whose lives are also impacted...and who will each day to be better for us...I think the thing with being ‘rich and famous’..?...is that it must be a mixed blessing or a blessing and a curse...yes, so much can have the very best of care through affordability...but so much as well, must be enhanced and intensified through a public and media glare and spotlight....’self healing’ in private is something they can do much less than us so we have ‘privilege’ they don’t also ..their ‘having it all’ can work against them in the very same way that having nothing can for many people...they’ve obviously both been very unhappy in their roles and how things were, so it’s impossible to not wish them better days if they can find them in the life they’ve now chosen...

[Niamh.]

yes robin wi8liams had dependency issues and mental health issues well documented, severe case. Prince Harry hasnt. and there the comparison ends

I read just recently that he was suffering from a form of dementia too, poor guy

I mean her own son is implicated in a massive global paedophile conspiracy but yeah I bet Megan has her proppa stressed.

I know right, it's so weird how unfocused people are on that compared to the Meghan and Harry stuff, how is Prince Andrew being a potential sex offender/paedophile less controversial than Harry moving to America? The mind boggles :laugh:

[Cherie]

I read just recently that he was suffering from a form of dementia too, poor guy



I know right, it's so weird how unfocused people are on that compared to the Meghan and Harry stuff, how is Prince Andrew being a potential sex offender/paedophile less controversial than Harry moving to America? The mind boggles :laugh:

tff Andrew is keeping a low profile so there is nothing new to discuss

if he was popping up telling the plebs not to fly to save the planet he would be getting grief too :laugh:

[bots]

the queen hasn't forgiven Andrew for highlighting the fact that they are all really lizards

[Cherie]

the queen hasn't forgiven Andrew for highlighting the fact that they are all really lizards

:joker:

[Niamh.]

the queen hasn't forgiven Andrew for highlighting the fact that they are all really lizards

:hehe:

[joeysteele]

...I really am genuinely sorry about your daughter’s mother, Sheriff...and I know how difficult it must be with your daughter and her ongoing mental health issues...collectively for all of us, 2020 has been a rubbish year ..but then more so with individual sorrows for some as well...and I can completely understand why you have a low tolerance for Harry and Meghan and ‘their problems’...I know when I was ill, so many things just felt so small and insignificant in the ‘grand scheme’ ....but just following from Annie’s words, it’s us ...each and every one of us who are small/tiny in the grand scheme...and yet for us, our sorrows and worries are huge, they can become everything, our whole worlds at times...to others though, they are nothing...except for those, obviously, close to us whose lives are also impacted...and who will each day to be better for us...I think the thing with being ‘rich and famous’..?...is that it must be a mixed blessing or a blessing and a curse...yes, so much can have the very best of care through affordability...but so much as well, must be enhanced and intensified through a public and media glare and spotlight....’self healing’ in private is something they can do much less than us so we have ‘privilege’ they don’t also ..their ‘having it all’ can work against them in the very same way that having nothing can for many people...they’ve obviously both been very unhappy in their roles and how things were, so it’s impossible to not wish them better days if they can find them in the life they’ve now chosen...

Inspirational, purely and simply.
A beautiful use of words.

I agree with all you've said.

Sadly too, I think the strains and pain of 2020 so far are going to continue for a long time yet too.

I too have said on here, all I wish for this couple is the best they can find for them.
Even stepping back as they chose to.

They'll still be sought after for views on this or that.
They'll have their views.
They didn't want to or set out to change those.

There are those who'll want to hear them and others who'll think they should just shut up.
To cast negativity to their marriage and relationship is deeply personalising the criticism.

They chose each other, to blame one for the other looking or being miserable, in any photo is in my view unnecessary.
We don't know either personally.

We don't see how happy or otherwise they are in their private life setting.
That's part of what they wanted to achieve in the main.

Not, for them now to be expected to seem to NOT now exist at all in the World.

[Tom4784]

If you have money you can get access to the best mental health care in the world but a person who has no money kills them selves while waiting for an appointment.

My daugher has mental health problems and is on anti phycotic medication her mum died April when her heart stopped in her sleep my dad has liver cancer so yea we’ve all got real problems I don’t see that pair of over privileged twats giving the large on the back a poor black mans death as nothing more than attention seeking arse wipes.

Everyone struggles and you have no right to gatekeep struggling. There is always someone who has it worse but that doesn't invalidate the struggles that everyone has.

[Aaliyah]

Robin Williams had multiple millions, he still took his own life and there are many many more examples of this.

He had early on set dementia and numerous other problems, hardly comparable!

[thesheriff443]

Everyone struggles and you have no right to gatekeep struggling. There is always someone who has it worse but that doesn't invalidate the struggles that everyone has.

Yes they are really struggling with the 11 million mansion they have just bought.

Five acres spa pool tennis court, your embarrassing yourself like other are defending them.

Every person on the planet is neededto defeat racism!

There I’ve said it, now you can all hold me in same high regards as Harry.

Empty words that’s all he is giving.

[Tom4784]

Yes they are really struggling with the 11 million mansion they have just bought.

Five acres spa pool tennis court, your embarrassing yourself like other are defending them.

Every person on the planet is neededto defeat racism!

There I’ve said it, now you can all hold me in same high regards as Harry.

Empty words that’s all he is giving.

I have no care for them but I do have a hatred for ignorant people that believe that can say whether someone else's troubles are legitimate or not when they have no ****ing clue what they are talking about. You are completely ignorant of other people's struggles so you don't get to say whether they are struggling or not without being called out because you are talking out of your arse. You are not wise to other people's lives, you have a bias against someone and you think that gives you knowledge about them that you do not possess.

There's always someone suffering worse but that doesn't invalidate your own suffering. How would you feel if I heard everything you said and said 'well, you still have a roof over your head so you aren't suffering. Get over it.' It would be horrifically dismissive of your own struggles.

You have no clue about other people's struggles so stop acting like you're an authority when you clearly aren't.

[Marsh.]

I have no care for them but I do have a hatred for ignorant people that believe that can say whether someone else's troubles are legitimate or not when they have no ****ing clue what they are talking about. You are completely ignorant of other people's struggles so you don't get to say whether they are struggling or not without being called out because you are talking out of your arse. You are not wise to other people's lives, you have a bias against someone and you think that gives you knowledge about them that you do not possess.

There's always someone suffering worse but that doesn't invalidate your own suffering. How would you feel if I heard everything you said and said 'well, you still have a roof over your head so you aren't suffering. Get over it.' It would be horrifically dismissive of your own struggles.

You have no clue about other people's struggles so stop acting like you're an authority when you clearly aren't.

:clap1:

[arista]

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[jet]

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Oh no! Their awful struggles just go on and on....poor wee lambs. :hehe:

[bots]

this financial independence is a tough gig

[jet]

this financial independence is a tough gig

:laugh:

[jet]

.....I have to say, Jet...I’m not much of a biography reader...but I guess that if I was to read one, it would be one that I felt had some substance...where the author knew or had known in some depth, those whose lives they were giving pages of ‘insight’ on in apparently giving us their ‘real story’...even then, all a biography would be is personal perspective../...little more than an extended opinion piece...with the author of the book referred to and was apparently reviewed widely as ‘fair and balanced’....by her own admission, she prefers to not know or have any knowledge of the people she’s writing about...And yet it’s quite obvious from her interviews and from her articles that she has very formed and fixed opinions about the people she writes about and has no knowledge of, so it could never be fair or balanced...I guess for me a biography by definition would be ...’a detailed account of...etc...’...and again, by her own words, she has no detailed accounts of...very few of us do when it comes to marriages, even of very public people...’integrity’ seems to be a huge thing with Lady Colin...she doesn’t feel that Harry and Meghan are showing integrity by looking to earn their living in the USA...why can’t they just suck it up and have integrity by living off Royal money and being Royal and doing what Royal people do...she doesn’t see the irony of her words and how she earns a living and how that marries up to ‘integrity’ that she seems to hold so highly...

...but yeah, I’m a reader too and I like to form opinions ...but the foundation of opinion is substance and books such as this have none at all, so for me...(...as much as I can be amused by Lady Colin...)...this book would define torture..in my opinion of course...

Well, I will read LCC's book before I pass Judgement.
On the other hand, I've given up on Finding Freedom. It's a ghastly mix of whining and pettiness/a sicky sweet Mills and Boon confection. Meghan's 'Sugars' will love it. Get the tissues ready! :flutter:

[Ammi]

...I don’t intend to read either and will happily keep an open mind and take with a pinch of Royal salt of the writings of ‘we have source or sauce, type people...just buy my book and the sauce will be displayed...I think if ‘Meghan Sugars’ as you call them...(...although they’re probably supporters of both Meghan and Harry, which has always been one of the huge issues regarding bias and judgement...)...anyways, if supporters only read positive books or articles etc...then they’re equally as closed minded and fixed in their judgements as those who are completely unsupportive of Meghan (..and Harry...)...’seek and you shall find...’...which is fine and everyone’s prerogative but won’t ever paint an accurate story ....

[The Slim Reaper]

Well, I will read LCC's book before I pass Judgement.
On the other hand, I've given up on Finding Freedom. It's a ghastly mix of whining and pettiness/a sicky sweet Mills and Boon confection. Meghan's 'Sugars' will love it. Get the tissues ready! :flutter:

So you won't pass judgement until you've read another negative book, but you won't even finish reading a book with positivity in it? Do you see the problem?

[jet]

...I don’t intend to read either and will happily keep an open mind and take with a pinch of Royal salt of the writings of ‘we have source or sauce, type people...just buy my book and the sauce will be displayed...I think if ‘Meghan Sugars’ as you call them...(...although they’re probably supporters of both Meghan and Harry, which has always been one of the huge issues regarding bias and judgement...)...anyways, if supporters only read positive books or articles etc...then they’re equally as closed minded and fixed in their judgements as those who are completely unsupportive of Meghan (..and Harry...)...’seek and you shall find...’...which is fine and everyone’s prerogative but won’t ever paint an accurate story ....

Did you miss the part where I said 'I have given up' on Finding Freedom'? I gave it a good go.
If you are not reading the book then you can't say whether there is merit in my critique of it or not, so your judgement that I am closed minded regarding it is wrong. If H&M had admitted to some faults from themselves in the book it would have gone some ways to soften them, but they never do admit to any faults, ever. That is where my dislike stems from.

I have only read the extract from LCC's book on Amazon so far.

[jet]

So you won't pass judgement until you've read another negative book, but you won't even finish reading a book with positivity in it? Do you see the problem?

How do you know if LCC's book is negative? The majority of reveiwers say it is surprisingly balanced. Haven't read it yet, so can't say.
As for a book you call 'positive', if Mills and Boon and whining and petty point scoring against families is your thing, enjoy!

[The Slim Reaper]

How do you know if LCC's book is negative? The majority of reveiwers say it is surprisingly balanced. Haven't read it yet, so can't say.
As for a book you call 'positive', if Mills and Boon and whining and petty point scoring against families is your thing, enjoy!

I have no interest in reading any book on them, because I'm a grown adult, not an excitable teenager who believes reading heat magazine puts me in the life of my favourite pop star.

[Liam-]

Harry and Megz living the luxury they deserve after the horrid abuse they’ve received at the hands of the racists :flutter:

[Ammi]

...I didn’t miss anything, Jet...I’m not sure why you think I did as I didn’t comment on your ‘critique‘ at all, I wasn’t aware that you had given any...what I commented on was ‘meghan’s Sugars’ as you called them...those who are so supportive of Meghan and Harry ...and saying if positive things are all they are looking for, then that’s equally as closed as those ‘non supporters’ shall we call them...who only look for negatives in their judgement...as I said, the same would apply to both ...’seek and you shall find...’....there is bias in all articles/biographies because they’re all commercially driven...

[jet]

I have no interest in reading any book on them, because I'm a grown adult, not an excitable teenager who believes reading heat magazine puts me in the life of my favourite pop star.

:joker:

[Josy]

Can we please stop with petty tit for tat sniping and baiting in these threads please, it's the same members constantly involved and its draining for other members to have to read through it in every thread

Either accept that fact that opinions will differ, argue your point without being insulting or overly aggressive or just ignore the posts you disagree with and move on

[jet]

Harry and Megz living the luxury they deserve after the horrid abuse they’ve received at the hands of the racists :flutter:

People really have fallen for their spin and sob stories.

The racists are horrid to us.
The royal family are horrid to us.
The Markles are horrid to us.
The press are horrid to us.
The news programmes are horrid to us.
The royal correspondents are horrid to us.

:bawling:

[rusticgal]

People really have fallen for their spin and sob stories.

The racists are horrid to us.
The royal family are horrid to us.
The Markles are horrid to us.
The press are horrid to us.
The news programmes are horrid to us.
The royal correspondents are horrid to us.

:bawling:


:joker:

[Josy]

People really have fallen for their spin and sob stories.



The racists are horrid to us.

The royal family are horrid to us.

The Markles are horrid to us.

The press are horrid to us.

The news programmes are horrid to us.

The royal correspondents are horrid to us.



:bawling:People make their own decisions on them based on the information available to them just the same way you do. That doesnt mean they have 'fallen' for anything it just means they have came to a different conclusion it also doesn't mean that the opinion you have is superior in anyway.

[Livia]

I intend to abide by Harry and Meghan's wishes and ignore them completely. I don't care about them or anything to do with them. If nobody pays them any attention maybe they'll stop trying to manipulate the press into making them a headline every day.

[jet]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/aug/14/prince-harry-meghan-montecito-california-duke-duchess-sussex

Montecito: the super-wealthy enclave Harry and Meghan now call home


There are moments, as you make the 90-minute drive up the coast from Los Angeles to Montecito, where Prince Harry and Meghan have set up their new home, when you can almost imagine you are heading into an unspoilt wilderness.
The mini-malls, car dealerships and fast-food joints give way, first, to jagged mountainscapes and plunging canyons. Then, after another stretch of asphalt and commercial activity where the mountains meet the Pacific, comes a deliriously unspoiled stretch of coastline, with pristine beaches to the left and the foothills of the Los Padres national forest to the right.

Then comes Montecito. It is indubitably a retreat, not a town in any recognisable sense but a cluster of narrow lanes that wind up from the coast through lush stands of eucalyptus and juniper towards a popular hot spring in the hills. It has a gas station but no chain stores – only a couple of small commercial strips known as the Upper and Lower Village.

What it does have is an extraordinary concentration of wealth and celebrity. This is home to Oprah Winfrey (she calls her sprawling estate “the promised land”), Ellen DeGeneres, Ariana Grande, Gwyneth Paltrow and a broad sprinkling of the US’s super-rich whose multimillion-dollar estates stud the hillsides and, occasionally, raise local eyebrows because of their sheer, unabashed extravagance.....

.....The spread that local real estate mavens say the couple has bought includes nine bedrooms, 12 bathrooms, a guest house, a teahouse, a tennis court, a swimming pool and a custom jungle gym for the kids. Known as “Chateau at Riven Rock”, it is accessible only along a gated private driveway whose sign warns passersby to stay well away unless they have permission to pass....

There is, of course, a darker side – the noir behind the sunshine. All those wealthy homeowners cling jealously to what they have and are unafraid to use their money and their power to stare down anyone – local elected officials or local newspaper columnists, usually – who dares to suggest they should make room for more affordable housing, or are consuming more than their fair share of California’s desperately short water supply.....

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Landed where they wanted at last (or Meghan wanted anyway) while Wills and Kate slog away at home taking on the extra workload they fled from in an already heavy schedule.
Watched 'William and Kate: Too good to be true?' last night. Nearly 300 engagements a year, plus their charities and patronages to keep up with - and 3 kids to bring up. All done with dignity and without complaint - but then those are not seen as desirable qualities these days by the public - thankfully a minority though!

[rusticgal]

Well I hope they are happy....she will be like a pig in ****....I don’t think he will as time goes on.

[Ammi]

...I’ve been watching all of the Royal documentaries over the last few weeks as well...I can’t think that anyone sees William and Kate as not having ‘desirable qualities’...their Royal role has always been quite different though to that of Harry and Meghan....there are two Royal brothers and the Royal role fitted one, but not the other, because one size doesn’t fit all, even with Royal princes, it would seem...it was interesting to see that Harry has always been quite protective with the ladies in his life and how the media was impacting them...that was mentioned and I think it was Chelsy Davy in particular who was mentioned and how he had always had concern for her also, with the media intrusions ...he really does seem to have had a very uneasy relationship with media intrusion through his life...

[user104658]

he really does seem to have had a very uneasy relationship with media intrusion through his life...

It's probably to be expected when it's killed your mum. What's happening right now must literally be his worst nightmares coming true.

[thesheriff443]

It's probably to be expected when it's killed your mum. What's happening right now must literally be his worst nightmares coming true.

A drunk driver going to fast and the fact she was not wearing a seatbelt killed his mum.

If she had her seat belt on she would still be alive.

[Cherie]

It's probably to be expected when it's killed your mum. What's happening right now must literally be his worst nightmares coming true.

you would have thought he would have the sense to be more low key then wouldn't you, as a man in his 30s he seems to have very little in the way of common sense, its like he wants what he wants but only on his terms, that is not how the world works for people like him

[Ammi]

It's probably to be expected when it's killed your mum. What's happening right now must literally be his worst nightmares coming true.

...yeah for sure, the documentaries have really shown for me how protective Harry must have been feeling for Meghan ...maybe overly so, who knows...?...but I do feel that he’s been very active in driving their decisions...


...just off topic...but staying with ‘Royal and Royal duty’ type stuff..?..Royal families are strange breeds, I watched the documentary about Princess Grace of Monaco, who was very unhappy in her marriage...(...and also who died in a car accident, as you know...)...and she had many affairs..(allegedly...)...but she was told at the time of marrying him, if they had children and she ever divorced him for whatever reason....she would never see her children again....

[bots]

if they had messed up one time and rectified it no-one would care less, but its been a catalog of issues with no lessons learnt. They don't need to work, they are already financially independent (how else could they afford 22 million on a house) So there is nothing stopping them disappearing from the public eye if they really wanted to. The issue is that they want to remain high profile but want people to be obsequious toward them and that's not going to happen

[joeysteele]

It's probably to be expected when it's killed your mum. What's happening right now must literally be his worst nightmares coming true.

Exactly.
I can take on board how still haunted he must be by that.
No matter the circumstances, and it was in part involving trying to avoid rabid photographers too as to what helped lead to his Mother's life being lost.

No matter who you are or your status,losing a parent so tragically would leave scars on anyone.

His Mother did ask for the press to ease off.
His wife finding the same thing hard must have triggered his concerns too.

There's times I quite like being photographed for instance, then times I don't.
I can feel quite irritated if a photo is taken of me when I don't want it to be.

A good point TS.

[Ammi]

...well the utility bills on that place are going to be pretty high so I expect keeping that high profile will earn some pennies ...it’ll all be more their choices though....great to be masters and mistresses of our own lives...

[thesheriff443]

...well the utility bills on that place are going to be pretty high so I expect keeping that high profile will earn some pennies ...it’ll all be more their choices though....great to be masters and mistresses of our own lives...

Keeping a high profile by jumping on the racism bandwagon.

To pay for his millionaire life style.

[Tom4784]

Ah, racism is a bandwagon now and not a serious societal issue in which Meghan can speak freely about because she is in fact, mixed race and has likely faced racism all her life (not least of all from the British public and media).

[jet]

It's probably to be expected when it's killed your mum. What's happening right now must literally be his worst nightmares coming true.

Diana, Fergie and Kate had paparazzi literally following them, crowding round them, flashbulbs going off in their faces when they were going about their daily life when news broke of their relationships. They had no protection from the palace.
Even after their engagement and marriage, and with security, the paps were always hanging about waiting for their photo op. That doesn’t happen anymore, Diana’s death stopped all that.

Meghan was the most protected bride to be ever and there has never, not once, been a paparazzi shot of her, before or after her marriage in the UK.

Their litany of bad decisions, petulance, selfishness and wanting a relevance way beyond their importance draws criticism of them - and they see every deserved criticism as victimisation of one sort or another. They don’t seem to have any self - awareness at all. Nothing is ever their fault. I’ve never seen a couple so paranoid and wrapped up in themselves. If its a nightmare, it is largely of their own making.

[thesheriff443]

Ah, racism is a bandwagon now and not a serious societal issue in which Meghan can speak freely about because she is in fact, mixed race and has likely faced racism all her life (not least of all from the British public and media).

Yes Harry was concerned about racism before he met Meghan when he had to apologise while in training for referring to one of his fellow cadets as our little ****

Great person to be talking about racism, not

[thesheriff443]

Harry and Meghans plan to pay for their lifestyle is to live of the back of other people’s money in the name of charity.

Like charity muggers on the streets harassing people for donations while getting paid 10 pound an hour.

[Tom4784]

Yes Harry was concerned about racism before he met Meghan when he had to apologise while in training for referring to one of his fellow cadets as our little ****

Great person to be talking about racism, not

People can learn from their mistakes and grow, shockingly enough.

Are you still the same person from when you were young? I'd hope not since that would mean you never learned from your mistakes. People should always be changing and learning, to remain the same is to never learn.

[Tom4784]

Harry and Meghans plan to pay for their lifestyle is to live of the back of other people’s money in the name of charity.

Like charity muggers on the streets harassing people for donations while getting paid 10 pound an hour.

So, they're too rich to suffer any kind of hardship and any act of charity is instantly deemed as them being branded as 'muggers'.

Do you think, if you truly look at what you are saying, that you might sound just a touch irrational?

[rusticgal]

Diana, Fergie and Kate had paparazzi literally following them, crowding round them, flashbulbs going off in their faces when they were going about their daily life when news broke of their relationships. They had no protection from the palace.
Even after their engagement and marriage, and with security, the paps were always hanging about waiting for their photo op. That doesn’t happen anymore, Diana’s death stopped all that.

Meghan was the most protected bride to be ever and there has never, not once, been a paparazzi shot of her, before or after her marriage in the UK.

Their litany of bad decisions, petulance, selfishness and wanting a relevance way beyond their importance draws criticism of them - and they see every deserved criticism as victimisation of one sort or another. They don’t seem to have any self - awareness at all. Nothing is ever their fault. I’ve never seen a couple so paranoid and wrapped up in themselves. If its a nightmare, it is largely of their own making.


So true Jet....not once did you see Meghan surrounded at arms length by photographers. Never was she chased down the street.
I think the book has really shown us their desire for only positive press...anything else won’t be tolerated.

[Ammi]

...it was mentioned in the documentaries that the media’s interest was very much focused on Harry and Meghan, to the point that it could cause jealousy from other Royals...social media and the toxicity from that..(...which obviously is the basis of the thread OP...)...is also a more modern day thing but which adds substantially...Meghan in particular, more so than Harry has been fairly media blasted with a negative slant...it was early days when the media started to paint Meghan’s villain...she was a Suits actress, not really an A lister even...and she was older than our ‘Arry, I mean, what even was her financial status...was she after the Royal purse...and then there was her ethnicity, she was an ‘exotic lady’ and she was an American...she wore trousers and the media headlines would run...’look who wears the trousers with Harry and Meghan..’.... when Kate wore a one-shoulder gown to an event, she was declared a “true princess” and “vision in white”, when Meghan did the same, the press branded her “vulgar”...Meghan’s nail polish colour was an in appropriate colour...Meghan ate an Avocado and she was supporting drought and murder...she was criticised for putting her hand on her pregnant tummy...and on and on...


....eventually they told the media to sod off and they’re trying to build a life/a career, more on their own terms and feeling more control that they’ve felt in the past...and for Harry, it’s been his whole life, so must have been a very difficult decision...(...for both of them...)...they’re now being vilified for leaving, obviously...they really never quite win, it was always lose/lose so far as the media were concerned...and that’s probably the way it will always be and maybe they’re naive to think otherwise....but at least they’re doing it their way which should afford some control to help create a balance that has been absent from the media...

[joeysteele]

Excellent post Ammi.

Nice to read more reasoned points.
I doubt they'll find the real peace they wanted.

Because the media will always seek them out to build or develop some controversy.

While there's people who are so determined to follow an agenda, that Harry shouldn't have married her and that in their view she was wrong for him and the Royal family too.

I just cannot go down a road of negativity towards one Woman or the Man who married her.
When they are people I don't know, never will know really.
Also those firing on all cylinders against her particularly, don't know them and never will know them either.