Labour MP Dawn Butler accuses Metropolitan Police of racial profiling

[arista]

Easy to do.


[she was the victim of racial profiling after the
car she was in was stopped by police.
The former shadow equalities minister filmed
the incident,
which happened in the London borough of Hackney
this afternoon.
Police officers stopped her "black male friend" who
was driving a "nice car" and questioned her
while she was in the passenger seat.]


https://news.sky.com/story/labour-mp-dawn-butler-accuses-metropolitan-police-of-racial-profiling-after-being-stopped-by-officers-12045860

[Oliver_W]

It's bloody Hackney lol, of course there's gang and knife crime.

If she has been stopped multiple times, maybe she's a really bad driver?

[GiRTh]

It's bloody Hackney lol, of course there's gang and knife crime.

If she has been stopped multiple times, maybe she's a really bad driver?She was'nt driving.

[GiRTh]

My bad, she was driving. The excuse was that the car was registered in North Yorkshire. Why were they checking the plates in the first place?

[bots]

police were caught playing games of snooker in the way they stopped cars, so nothing surprises me

[Oliver_W]

My bad, she was driving. The excuse was that the car was registered in North Yorkshire. Why were they checking the plates in the first place?
Depends what they were investigating tbh :shrug: To try and claim she was racially profiled in Hackney of all places is bonkers :joker:

[GiRTh]

Depends what they were investigating tbh :shrug: To try and claim she was racially profiled in Hackney of all places is bonkers :joker:They weren't investigating anything. It was a random stop and search.

[Oliver_W]

They weren't investigating anything. It was a random stop and search.

Random eh? So there really was no reason for her little tantrum.

[GiRTh]

Random eh? So there really was no reason for her little tantrum.
Tantrum? She spoke to the officer and asked why she was stopped. Strange that you see a tantrum. Is she supposed to be happy that she's been stopped?

[Crimson Dynamo]

well done to the met police for stopping them. stop and search is much needed in that awful crime ridden area

i am sure the lady knew this and was helpful to the key workers doing their job?

[arista]

She was relaxed

[Liam-]

All those people who spout ‘god they’re just doing their job, just comply, don’t argue or question them!!’ Are likely the very same people who shout at parking attendants every time they get a ticket

[GiRTh]

well done to the met police for stopping them. stop and search is much needed in that awful crime ridden area

i am sure the lady knew this and was helpful to the key workers doing their job?
https://www.crimeandjustice.org.uk/publications/does-stop-and-search-reduce-crime

Based on London-wide data from the last ten years, the report finds little evidence of impact of stop and search on violent crime and non-domestic violent crime. Similarly, the authors found no evidence for its impact on robbery, theft or criminal damages.

Much needed why? There are few studies that find it effective.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Ms Butler told Sky News she was "angry and annoyed" by the incident, claiming the Metropolitan Police has a "cancerous" problem with institutional racism.

She said: "We were stopped because we're two black people driving in a nice car in Hackney.

"I'm angry because I know it happens all the time every day. And people don't know why they've been stopped."

so she has no evidence

she is making a claim based on nothuing but her own hatred of police

what a despicable vile human being

oh she is an extreme left MP, colour me shocked

:bored:

its the poor police i feel sorry for

[GiRTh]

Ms Butler told Sky News she was "angry and annoyed" by the incident, claiming the Metropolitan Police has a "cancerous" problem with institutional racism.

She said: "We were stopped because we're two black people driving in a nice car in Hackney.

"I'm angry because I know it happens all the time every day. And people don't know why they've been stopped."

so she has no evidence

she is making a claim based on nothuing but her own hatred of police

what a despicable vile human being

oh she is an extreme left MP, colour me shocked

:bored:

its the poor police i feel sorry forJust like the police who stopped her.

[Crimson Dynamo]

CRESSIDA DICK Stop and search works to help keep streets safe and the public back it, says Metropolitan Police Commissioner



i think i will leave this to those who know

[GiRTh]

CRESSIDA DICK Stop and search works to help keep streets safe and the public back it, says Metropolitan Police Commissioner



i think i will leave this to those who knowSearch and I find an article from the Sun. You got any other sources?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Search and I find an article from the Sun. You got any other sources?

its not from the SUn its from Cressida Dick herself

understand what you click on, please

Are you claiming you know better than her?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12352592/cressida-dick-stop-and-search-works-police/


you dont

[Crimson Dynamo]

Cressida Dick
9 Aug 2020, 1:39

:bored:

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/NINTCHDBPICT000423963045-1.jpg?w=620

Met Police Commissioner Cressida Dick says policing is the best job in the worldCredit: PA:Press Association

:clap1:

[GiRTh]

its not from the SUn its from Cressida Dick herself

understand what you click on, please

Are you claiming you know better than her?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12352592/cressida-dick-stop-and-search-works-police/


you dontI cant find that interview anywhere else and I'm not a big fan of the Sun.

I'm not claiming anything, I'm saying I cant find your article and i can find plenty that say stop and search doesn't work. Simple as that :shrug:

[GiRTh]

Cressida Dick
9 Aug 2020, 1:39

:bored:Why have you posted this? Is it her birthday today or something, is it a reminder for an appointment? :conf:

[GiRTh]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/NINTCHDBPICT000423963045-1.jpg?w=620

Met Police Commissioner Cressida Dick says policing is the best job in the worldCredit: PA:Press Association

:clap1:Are we posting random things about her? Ok then I'll post this

Cressida Dick faces fresh demands to resign after report into Carl Beech blunders (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/13/cressida-dick-faces-fresh-demands-resign-report-carl-beech-blunders/)

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sadiq Khan to 'significantly increase' stop and search in London

The mayor said that although the controversial searches can cause tension, they are a “vital tool for police to keep our communities safe”.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/sadiq-khan-stop-search-london-crime-plan-violence-police-metropolitan-stabbings-acid-murder-moped-a8152371.html

[GiRTh]

Sadiq Khan to 'significantly increase' stop and search in London

The mayor said that although the controversial searches can cause tension, they are a “vital tool for police to keep our communities safe”.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/sadiq-khan-stop-search-london-crime-plan-violence-police-metropolitan-stabbings-acid-murder-moped-a8152371.html
An article from 2018? A few things have happened since then LT.

[Crimson Dynamo]

An article from 2018? A few things have happened since then LT.

yes more crime (stabbings) from some parts of london. the police need our support not hate and race cards for political gain or personal revenge

so we agree there

[GiRTh]

yes more crime (stabbings) from some parts of london. the police need our support not hate and race cards for political gain or personal revenge

so we agree thereThe bit in bold - You have no evidence, just like the police who stopped her.

What are we agreeing on? You have provided nothing to show stop and search works so there is no agreement there.

[Crimson Dynamo]

She said: "We were stopped because we're two black people driving in a nice car in Hackney."

total fabrications

she is getting Angry about her own lies:conf::shrug::conf:


I hope Sir Keir carpets her over this it undermines the hard crucial job police do

its inexcusable

[GiRTh]

Police smash car window of man on way home from TV interview about police racism (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jul/04/police-smash-car-window-ryan-colaco-tv-interview-racism)

[GiRTh]

She said: "We were stopped because we're two black people driving in a nice car in Hackney."

total fabrications

she is getting Angry about her own lies:conf::shrug::conf:


I hope Sir Keir carpets her over this it undermines the hard crucial job police do

its inexcusableYou focus entirely on her reaction and so do others but little comment on the fact the car was not registered in Yorkshire like the police claimed. Do you have a comment on that ?

[Crimson Dynamo]

"When stopped by a police officer the correct response is, "Good afternoon, Officer, how may I be of assistance?" What is so difficult about this? I think people being disrespectful to the police should receive an on-the-spot 1,000 fine."

top comment by the GBP

:clap1:

[GiRTh]

"When stopped by a police officer the correct response is, "Good afternoon, Officer, how may I be of assistance?" What is so difficult about this? I think people being disrespectful to the police should receive an on-the-spot 1,000 fine."

top comment by the GBP

:clap1:Got a source?

So what about the case I posted? Stopped twice in two weeks yet he has no criminal record. How many times is he to be stopped before he expresses unhappiness or is he supposed to keep smiling?. Did you watched the vid? The bit where he said 'THis cant keep happening to me' HE seemed quite distressed to me. Should he keep smiling every time she's stopped? And if he shows unhappiness at being stopped AGAIN should he just keep smiling? Tell him how he should behave because if that was me I'd want to know exactly what I as doing and why I was getting stopped so often

[arista]

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[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/7E33/production/_113870323_guardian.jpg

[joeysteele]

I think she has a point.
She raised valid points with the Officer.

The Police do seem to have been ' selective' here and unjustified.

As an MP she will have validly supported information of this happening when it shouldn't to others, particularly constituents.

This sounds an odd one from the Police side of things sadly.
Of course the Police have a job to do but it has to be done right and not with any prejudicial undertones to the job.

Perhaps in this case, for the Police, it's unfortunate for them that they ended up making this higher profile, by stopping an MP.

It's also worrying incorrect details can be entered anywhere too, as to car registration and people too.

I'm pleased she filmed this actually.

[bots]

i'm not sure how it can be considered racial profiling if the driver is white

[UserSince2005]

Cry baby, she needs to be removed from her post.

[UserSince2005]

Shes a trouble raiser.

[joeysteele]

Cry baby, she needs to be removed from her post.

She doesn't have a post, so what post should she be removed from?
She's just an MP.
So only the constituents can try to remove her from that.

Which they won't because she's a popular MP.

She left her post in April.

You're a bit behind the times I'm afraid there.

[Oliver_W]

So she asked a question, and then kept rabbiting on while he was trying to answer? :joker:

At least the police are actually doing their job, maybe if she let them get on with it they'd have more time to catch criminals instead of listening to some Karen MP

[Oliver_W]

Hang on, the car's registered in North Yorkshire? Aren't parts of the North on local lockdown?

[Cherie]

The reg was input incorrectly, human error it happens

As an aside my son has been stopped and searched twice at a train station, probably due to him looking dodgy and carrying a backpack :fist:

[Liam-]

And like clockwork, the level of abuse, a lot of it racist, she’s receiving online for pointing out racial profiling is appalling

[bots]

the unfortunate thing is that profiling is an absolute necessity if we want to keep a grip on crime and terrorism. It is very unpleasant if anyone is innocent and falls foul of that profiling, but I would rather it was there and that my family is kept safe than if crime were allowed to persist because it wasn't deemed politically correct.

I've deliberately called it profiling rather than racial profiling, because profiling as a mechanism is much more sophisticated than it is being made out to be.

[Oliver_W]

And like clockwork, the level of abuse, a lot of it racist, she’s receiving online for pointing out racial profiling is appalling

Any examples?

[Oliver_W]

Also how is it "pointjng out institutional racism" when a white man was driving the car?

[Ammi]

Any examples?

...they’re in the comments, Oliver...it’ll take you seconds to find them, I did...

[Oliver_W]

...they’re in the comments, Oliver...it’ll take you seconds to find them, I did...

I looked in the #sackdawnbutler and it was mostly calling her a "race baiter" which she arguably was doing :shrug: some were calling her an idiot. I didn't see any actual racism.

[Liam-]

Also how is it "pointjng out institutional racism" when a white man was driving the car?

He wasn’t white

[Liam-]

...they’re in the comments, Oliver...it’ll take you seconds to find them, I did...

Don’t bother, he’ll always have an excuse for why racism isn’t actually racism

[joeysteele]

It says clearly in all reports and even in the opening post that the driver friend was black too.

Surely that is clearly known!

[bots]

It says clearly in all reports and even in the opening post that the driver friend was black too.

Surely that is clearly known!

did you see the video Joey?

[Liam-]

It’s like people have never seen a light skinned black man before, Jesus

[Liam-]

I looked in the #sackdawnbutler and it was mostly calling her a "race baiter" which she arguably was doing :shrug: some were calling her an idiot. I didn't see any actual racism.

Also, isn’t this just an example of the ‘horrible cancel culture’ that these right wingers are always complaining about? Funny that

[joeysteele]

It’s like people have never seen a light skinned black man before, Jesus

As you say.

It's more likely to play down the race card.

A waste of time to try to get the message over really.
Good luck with it Liam.

[Oliver_W]

He wasn’t white
He clearly was.
https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=5029&stc=1&d=1597062254

Don’t bother, he’ll always have an excuse for why racism isn’t actually racism
If you can find an example of racism, that might help?

Also, isn’t this just an example of the ‘horrible cancel culture’ that these right wingers are always complaining about? Funny that
Nah it's just consequence culture.

[Liam-]

He wasn’t white.

Do people not understand how phone front cameras work?

The conspiracy theories people jump through to justify racism never fails to astonish me

[Oliver_W]

How do you know it was "racism"? Even if the driver is black, Hackney is a "minority-majority" area, the police would have their hands full if they stopped every car driven by a black guy :laugh:

[Oliver_W]

Oops the police have released a statement:

At approximately midday on Sunday, 9 August, police stopped a vehicle in Hackney.

Prior to stopping the vehicle, an officer incorrectly entered the registration into a police computer which identified the car as registered to an address in Yorkshire.

Upon stopping the vehicle and speaking with the driver, it quickly became apparent that the registration had been entered incorrectly and was registered to the driver in London.

Once the mistake was realised the officer sought to explain this to the occupants; they were then able to continue on their way.

No searches were carried out on any individuals.

One of the occupants has since been contacted by a senior officer and they have discussed the stop, subsequent interaction as well as feedback regarding the stop.

We have offered to meet with those involved to discuss the matter further.
> http://news.met.police.uk/news/statement-re-vehicle-stop-in-hackney-408320#:~:text=At%20approximately%20midday%20on%20 Sunday,to%20an%20address%20in%20Yorkshire.


Climb down off your cross, Dawn, nothing to do with race :)

[Crimson Dynamo]

oof

[The Slim Reaper]

Not sure why a car being registered in Yorkshire would require being stopped in London. I've never been stopped when I've driven down to that there London.

[Liam-]

Why did they feel the need to check on the plate in the first place?

[The Slim Reaper]

Why did they feel the need to check on the plate in the first place?

5-0 cars do this automatically now since tax switched over to electronic.

[Liam-]

5-0 cars do this automatically now since tax switched over to electronic.

They’ve said that the plate number was manually input incorrectly

[The Slim Reaper]

They’ve said that the plate number was manually input incorrectly

I took that to mean at the DVLA.

[user104658]

I took that to mean at the DVLA.

"an officer incorrectly entered the registration into a police computer" :suspect:

[user104658]

But yes I was unaware that there's anything inherently suspicious about driving a car out of your local area :think:. They must REALLY panic darn sarf when they scan my dodgy Scotch plates :worry:.

[user104658]

They did scan them in fact! They scanned and photographed them at a KFC car park because we were parked there for 4 hours and then they sent a £100 fine to my house along with the sordid pictures :(. Talk about criminal.

[The Slim Reaper]

"an officer incorrectly entered the registration into a police computer" :suspect:

Ahh, my bad; just checked and not all police cars scan for plates, so that's my error because I didn't believe they'd need to input and check manually.

[Liam-]

They did scan them in fact! They scanned and photographed them at a KFC car park because we were parked there for 4 hours and then they sent a £100 fine to my house along with the sordid pictures :(. Talk about criminal.

You were in kfc for 4 hours? :omgno:

[Oliver_W]

But yes I was unaware that there's anything inherently suspicious about driving a car out of your local area :think:. They must REALLY panic darn sarf when they scan my dodgy Scotch plates :worry:.

Maybe the area they incorrectly thought the cqr was from was under local lockdown?

You were in kfc for 4 hours? :omgno:
~30 mins to eat it, three and a half hours being sick.

[hijaxers]

Oops the police have released a statement:



Climb down off your cross, Dawn, nothing to do with race :)

No it was to do with police incompetence.

[Livia]

Never stop black people again. I can think of no other answer that will suit.

[The Slim Reaper]

There are actual laws about when it's right to stop and search, and those laws weren't written by any black or minority group.

[user104658]

You were in kfc for 4 hours? :omgno:

Umm it takes a while to get though a 16 piece boneless bucket you know.

[Tom4784]

You'd have to be utterly foolish and completely ignorant to think that racial profiling isn't a thing. It's so strange how people go out of their way to deny it's existence, why? What does it actually cost you to admit that POCs are targeted more by the police than white people? Ask yourselves that.

[Oliver_W]

Oh I just thought - if they mistyped the reg code, it'd (most likely) show a different make and model. A car with the "wrong" plates would certainly need investigating.

[bots]

they don't tend to type reg codes these days, it's all done automatically from cameras and the systems alert them to dodgy vehicles

[Oliver_W]

they don't tend to type reg codes these days, it's all done automatically from cameras

mistyped, misscanned, either way.

[bots]

mistyped, misscanned, either way.

point being it would be computer racial profiling

[Oliver_W]

point being it would be computer racial profiling

Oh god, even computers are racist now!!! whatever next :joker:

[Liam-]

Nope, they’ve said themselves the officer put the number in himself

[Oliver_W]

Nope, they’ve said themselves the officer put the number in himself

So he typed it in wrong, and the system told him the number he typed belonged to a different car on the other end of the country? They'd be rubbish cops if they didn't look into it.

[The Slim Reaper]

they don't tend to type reg codes these days, it's all done automatically from cameras and the systems alert them to dodgy vehicles

I made this mistake yesterday. Not all police cars have cameras that do this.

[Livia]

So he typed it in wrong, and the system told him the number he typed belonged to a different car on the other end of the country? They'd be rubbish cops if they didn't look into it.

Not if the person involved goes onto Twitter with a film of it instead of behaving like a real public servant and going straight to the Met.

[Oliver_W]

Not if the person involved goes onto Twitter with a film of it instead of behaving like a real public servant and going straight to the Met.

To be fair it was Sunday. I know "crime doesn't sleep" and the Bobbies obviously work all year round, but the people she's need to speak to probably have Sundays off.

[Cherie]

The windows were tinted so they were unable to ascertain the ethnicity, and they were respectful and polite when dealing with the occupants, maybe just don't bother pulling over cars with tinted windows in case it causes offence

[The Slim Reaper]

To be fair it was Sunday. I know "crime doesn't sleep" and the Bobbies obviously work all year round, but the people she's need to speak to probably have Sundays off.

Do you drive, Oliver? I've driven all around the country at different times, and not once have I ever been pulled for being far away from where my vehicle was/is registered, it just doesn't happen, and this is the first/only instance I've ever heard of it happening.

[Oliver_W]

Do you drive, Oliver? I've driven all around the country at different times, and not once have I ever been pulled for being far away from where my vehicle was/is registered, it just doesn't happen, and this is the first/only instance I've ever heard of it happening.

Remember the cop mistyped the reg number. The system would show a different make and model. Using fake or different plates is a crime.

Why not try swapping your car's plates and see how long it takes to be pulled over?

[bots]

a cars distance from it's home would only rate as secondary information, something else would have to trigger the stop

[The Slim Reaper]

Remember the cop mistyped the reg number. The system would show a different make and model. Using fake or different plates is a crime.

Why not try swapping your car's plates and see how long it takes to be pulled over?

Depending on the actual error, cars roll off production lines with their plates in sequence. That's not foolproof because obviously there are beginnings and ends to these plates, but a small typing error wouldn't necessarily show a different make or model.

[Oliver_W]

Depending on the actual error, cars roll off production lines with their plates in sequence. That's not foolproof because obviously there are beginnings and ends to these plates, but a small typing error wouldn't necessarily show a different make or model.

Depends which part of the plate was mistyped. If it was the first character, it'd show a different line. And if he had custom plates, it'd be even more different. I guess it depends on the "type" of mistyping it was - confusing a 0 with an O? Accidentally hitting a key near the one he meant to?

Human error is much more likely that racial profiling, in this case.

[The Slim Reaper]

Depends which part of the plate was mistyped. If it was the first character, it'd show a different line. And if he had custom plates, it'd be even more different. I guess it depends on the "type" of mistyping it was - confusing a 0 with an O? Accidentally hitting a key near the one he meant to?

Human error is much more likely that racial profiling, in this case.

Taken from your own post a couple of pages ago. says nothing about make or model, only registered address.

Prior to stopping the vehicle, an officer incorrectly entered the registration into a police computer which identified the car as registered to an address in Yorkshire.

Upon stopping the vehicle and speaking with the driver, it quickly became apparent that the registration had been entered incorrectly and was registered to the driver in London.

[Oliver_W]

Taken from your own post a couple of pages ago. says nothing about make or model, only registered address.

... And? That doesn't go against anything I said. The wrong car was in the wrong place :laugh:

[The Slim Reaper]

... And? That doesn't go against anything I said. The wrong car was in the wrong place :laugh:

The police statement makes no mention of it's make or model, only it's registration, which speaks directly against what you were saying.

[Oliver_W]

The police statement makes no mention of it's make or model, only it's registration, which speaks directly against what you were saying.

It simply doesn't mention it, that doesn't mean it wasn't considered.

They were in Hackney,most drivers would be BAME. If Dawn's driver was stopped in Devon or something her harping on about being "racially profiled" might hold a few drops of water.

[The Slim Reaper]

It simply doesn't mention it, that doesn't mean it wasn't considered.

They were in Hackney,most drivers would be BAME. If Dawn's driver was stopped in Devon or something her harping on about being "racially profiled" might hold a few drops of water.

So the police put out their version of events but chose to omit the most understandable and reasonable part of any explanation they could provide?

[Oliver_W]

So the police put out their version of events but chose to omit the most understandable and reasonable part of any explanation they could provide?

Police incompetence? Nevahhh :laugh:

[The Slim Reaper]

Police incompetence? Nevahhh :laugh:

In the current BLM climate, there is now way they would have left it off that statement. That statement probably went through about 50 different sets of eyes before being released.

[Oliver_W]

In the current BLM climate, there is now way they would have left it off that statement. That statement probably went through about 50 different sets of eyes before being released.

Sure, but there's simply no reason to assume they were profiled :shrug:

[Liam-]

Why was the plate checked in the first place?

[Ammi]

...it’s really impossible to know if someone has been racially profiled, if we’ve never been racially profiled ourselves...and I’ve never been racially profiled...Dawn Butler feels she was so she should voice that as she has......I don’t understand the ‘Yorkshire registered’ thing though...why would a car that was thought to be registered in Yorkshire, be stopped...

[Ammi]

Why was the plate checked in the first place?

...or what Liam just said...I wish I could do that small sentence stuff...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Top Met cop says officers who stopped car carrying MP Dawn Butler didn’t know
occupants were black because the windows were TINTED as he condemns trial
by social media


Senior police official has spoken out against officers facing 'trial by social media'
Ms Butler accused police of racial profiling after BMW she was in was pulled over
Sir Steve House has defended the officers' conduct after reviewing the incident
He says they did not know she was black because windows on car were tinted


:clap1:

The officers had acted properly, and it was 'unfair' that police should have their actions hastily posted and scrutinised on social media, rather than being reviewed through proper channels.

He added officers, ‘didn't know who the occupants of the car were, including their ethnicity because the car windows were tinted.'

case closed, another black hard left MP pulling the race card - despicable. I hope she is forced to go by Sir Keir

:fc:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8618593/Deputy-police-commissioner-backs-officers-stopped-MP-Dawn-Butler.html

top comment:

An MP who's first reaction was to film the encounter, and 2nd act posting it on Twitter.... not ideal for a responsible member of Parliament I would have thought!!

[Oliver_W]

She was pretty irresponsible and closed-minded, hard to deny. But she's not on the Shadow Cabinet anymore, and if acting like an idiot was enough to get someone removed from Parliament, the House would be mostly empty!

But Sir Kier should certainly have a word, it's not just herself she makes look bad and the Labour Party are trying to fix their image.