U.S. police filmed shooting unarmed Black man seven times in front of his kids

[MB.]

Jacob Blake had been trying to break up a fight and was entering his car when he was shot seven times in the back; he's currently in the ICU

Protests erupted in the U.S. state of Wisconsin following a police shooting of a reportedly unarmed Black man, forcing officials to impose a curfew in the city of Kenosha.

The man was hospitalized in a serious condition on Sunday evening after police shot him multiple times after which crowds gathered at the scene, local media reported.

The victim has been identified as Jacob Blake by Wisconsin Governor Tony Evers in a tweet. "We stand against excessive use of force and immediate escalation when engaging with Black Wisconsinites," the governor wrote.

The shooting happened at around 5 p.m. local time in Kenosha as officers were responding to a "domestic incident". The victim was immediately taken to a hospital by the police, according to a statement issued by the Kenosha police department.

No further explanation was given by the police as to what led to the shooting. The shooting will be investigated by the Wisconsin Department of Justice, police said.

A video circulating on social media and cited by the U.S. press showed the man walking towards a car followed by two officers and one of them shooting him as he opens the car door.

https://news.trust.org/item/20200824043928-54dpd/

[Oliver_W]

RIP

[Ammi]

RIP

...I think he’s in Intensive Care, Oliver...


...It’s not reported yet in the U.K. so far as I can see, so I’ll try to see if I can find some more information later...I wish him a recovery from his injuries...

[Ammi]

...I’ve just watched a vid and seriously, that can’t be right...7 times in the back like that, while he was walking away and grabbing his shirt from the back to immediately make the 7 shots ...?...that vid can’t be right, surely..?...

[Ammi]

...I mean, that there was an attempted assassination...

[bots]

Protests have erupted in the US state of Wisconsin after police shot a black man several times while responding to what they said was a domestic incident.

The man, identified as Jacob Blake, is in a serious condition in hospital.

Video posted online appears to show Mr Blake being shot in the back by an officer as he tries to get into a car in the city of Kenosha.

Protesters and security officials have clashed following the shooting and an overnight curfew was imposed.

Hundreds marched on police headquarters on Sunday night. Vehicles were set on fire and police used tear gas.

Wisconsin Governor Tony Evers tweeted following the shooting of Mr Blake, who was reportedly unarmed.

"We stand against excessive use of force and immediate escalation when engaging with Black Wisconsinites," Mr Evers wrote.

Kenosha police said the Wisconsin department of justice would be investigating the "officer involved shooting".

It comes amid heightened tensions in the US over police brutality following the killing of George Floyd in May.

A white police officer knelt on Mr Floyd's neck for almost nine minutes before he died in Wisconsin's neighbouring state of Minnesota.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53886070

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Tragic and astonishing and abhorrent, interesting timing with the GoP conference this week

[user104658]

Not that there are ever particularly good excuses but... how do you explain away shooting someone in the back SEVEN times.

[user104658]

Having watched the video I have to be honest and say that it does look like he's reaching into the car for something and they did have to incapacitate him. I can't honestly see any way around that that wouldn't endanger officers or bystanders.

But then - with what ACTUALLY happened. There were plenty of opportunities to stop him before he even reached the car - either with a taser or physical tackle - yet they just sort of stroll round with him, wait til the door is open and he's half inside, then unload half a clip on him? I honestly feel like cops in the US are just given next to no training when it comes to handling active situations. No verbal conflict resolution, no tackling/restraining skills, no non-lethal techniques for stopping a suspect. It's just "shoot at them". That's the extent of their toolkit.

[Liam-]

Before anyone says ‘well he was getting in his car, he was probably scared for his life!! #backtheblue’

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It’s funny cops don’t feel scared for their life when white men get in their cars and literally attack them.

[arista]

He should have laid on the ground
and stayed still.

[Tom4784]

The US police were created to keep slaves in line and they never got the memo that it wasn't their job to brutalise black people any more. Defund the ****ers.

[user104658]

Before anyone says ‘well he was getting in his car, he was probably scared for his life!! #backtheblue’

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It’s funny cops don’t feel scared for their life when white men get in their cars and literally attack them.

This is the other side of it though. The answer has to be somewhere in the middle. This guy should quite clearly and for good reason have been stopped from getting back in that car and driving away - if he had driven off (rather than inexplicably deciding to ram the police car) there's a VERY high chance that he'd have caused a fatal crash or hit a pedestrian. There's clearly a huge mess with the US police not knowing how to use proportionate force... either using massive excessive force, or not being confident in using enough force to stop a genuinely high risk situation like this one.

I do think if someone has been told to stop and chooses to continue and reach into a vehicle (the man in the first video, to me, looks like he is clearly reaching into the vehicle - not climbing into it) then it would be a massive risk for that to continue - both to officers and bystanders - so some action has to be taken. Like I said though, from the video, there was ample opportunity while he was clearly unarmed to make a physical tackle or to use a taser if needed.

[AnnieK]

If they really wanted to stop him getting in the car....why not shoot him in the leg? He would ha e dropped like a stone and they could have then restrained him.

Lack of training, lack of care and lack of any moral compass. Hope he survives

[Oliver_W]

American police definetly need better training in deescalation and non-fatal incapacitation tbh

[Ammi]

...on the vid I watched, it’s really difficult to see if Jacob Blake was reaching into the car and whether any ‘threat’ could possibly have been felt...because his body going forward seemed at the exact same time as his shirt was grabbed and his forward body position would have been an instinctive resistance and reaction to that, if someone tugged my top like that, my body would go forward in resistance ...as it was obvious though that his intention was to get into the car/going around to the door etc and putting his hand on the door to open it...and if a ‘weapon in the car threat’ was a thought...then a shoulder or leg aimed shot would have been the thing if a shot was to be fired ...not 7 shots in the back, each one potentially lethal...

...I really do hope he survives, just awful...

[user104658]

If they really wanted to stop him getting in the car....why not shoot him in the leg? He would ha e dropped like a stone and they could have then restrained him.

Lack of training, lack of care and lack of any moral compass. Hope he survives

Well exactly - they knew he didn't have a weapon on his person, if they thought he has a weapon in the car they had AMPLE opportunity to stop him getting anywhere near the door.

[Crimson Dynamo]

JUst to clear up the "shoot them in the leg" fallacy

Why not “shoot to wound” instead?

For a couple of reasons: First, shooting to wound someone may not stop the threat. If a person is shot in the leg, the threat may still exist as a suspect could still use his or her hands to fire a gun or stab with a knife.

Second, and most importantly, it takes a skilled marksman to hit someone exactly in the arm or leg, and, most officers are not skilled marskmen. In fact, outside of an old-fashioned TV Western, few people can make that shot, no matter the training.

Dr. Bill Lewinski, executive director of the Force Science Institute, explained in a position paper for the Institute the physics involved in the notion of training officers – who are often running after suspects – to "shoot to wound."

"Hands and arms can be the fastest-moving body parts,” Lewinski said. “For example, an average suspect can move his hand and forearm across his body to a 90-degree angle in 12/100 of a second. He can move his hand from his hip to shoulder height in 18/100 of a second.

"The average officer pulling the trigger as fast as he can on a Glock, one of the fastest- cycling semi-autos, requires 1/4 second to discharge each round.

"There is no way an officer can react, track, shoot and reliably hit a threatening suspect's forearm or a weapon in a suspect's hand in the time spans involved.”

David Klinger, a professor of Criminology and Criminal Justice at the University of Missouri-St. Louis, put it another way speaking to ABC News -- with officers trying to stop a threat to their life or the lives of others, "Why would we want to injure or maim people?" he said. "It doesn't stop them."

What’s the law on police using deadly force?

Policy for the use of deadly force has been shaped by four U.S. Supreme Court rulings during the past 30 years.

A 1985 U.S. Supreme Court ruling struck down policies that allowed officers to shoot a suspect just because they are fleeing police. The court ruled that a suspect has to be posing an immediate threat of serious physical harm in order for police to justify using deadly force.

In 1989, the court went further saying officers can use deadly force if it is proven to be “reasonable” based on the circumstances of a specific situation.

The third ruling on deadly force came in 1994 when the court ruled that officers do not have to use less lethal force before resorting to deadly force – for instance, an officer does not have to use a Taser before he or she uses a gun in a situation.

In 2015, the court ruled citizens could not sue police for using deadly force against fleeing suspects unless it is "beyond debate" that a shooting was unjustified.

Candace McCoy, a professor at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice at the City University of New York, suggested in an article in The Guardian that shooting to wound would lower the legal threshold for using deadly force.

“As a policy, [shoot to wound] is a really bad idea because it would give the police permission to take that gun out of the holster under any circumstance,” she said.

https://www.ajc.com/news/national/here-why-police-don-shoot-wound-the-case-deadly-force/IV4ohtIm6r8FaEMj78u1bO/

[user104658]

I mean it's a fallacy simply because a GSW to the femoral artery is most likely going to kill you.

But anyway.

There is (quite clearly) a rather large gulf between "reasonable force" and "seven shots to the back".

[Ammi]

Kenosha shooting: Protests erupt after US police shoot black man...



Protests have erupted in the US state of Wisconsin after police shot a black man many times while responding to what they said was a domestic incident.
The man, identified as Jacob Blake, was taken to hospital for surgery and is now in intensive care, his family said.
Video posted online appears to show Mr Blake being shot in the back as he tries to get into a car in Kenosha.
Authorities in the city declared an emergency overnight curfew after unrest broke out following the shooting.
Hundreds of people marched on police headquarters on Sunday night. Vehicles were set on fire and protesters shouted "We won't back down"


...rest of article...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53886070

[bots]

I mean it's a fallacy simply because a GSW to the femoral artery is most likely going to kill you.

But anyway.

There is (quite clearly) a rather large gulf between "reasonable force" and "seven shots to the back".

unless your name is Arnie

[Oliver_W]

Kenosha shooting: Protests erupt after US police shoot black man...



Protests have erupted in the US state of Wisconsin after police shot a black man many times while responding to what they said was a domestic incident.
The man, identified as Jacob Blake, was taken to hospital for surgery and is now in intensive care, his family said.
Video posted online appears to show Mr Blake being shot in the back as he tries to get into a car in Kenosha.
Authorities in the city declared an emergency overnight curfew after unrest broke out following the shooting.
Hundreds of people marched on police headquarters on Sunday night. Vehicles were set on fire and protesters shouted "We won't back down"


...rest of article...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53886070
I hope the police force aren't held hostage from doing their jobs from fear of riots happening. I doubt would-be rioters will discern between accidents, police having no other choice in difficult circumstances... And actual murders.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Donald needs to deasl with these violent mobs protesting on gossip and misinformation. |Its getting out of hand.

Its the police I am worried about

[Tom4784]

American police definetly need better training in deescalation and non-fatal incapacitation tbh

That, and the police must be purged of extremist influences. The US police has a lot of ties to racist groups that must be dealt with before retraining can be considered effective.

[Oliver_W]

That, and the police must be purged of extremist influences. The US police has a lot of ties to racist groups that must be dealt with before retraining can be considered effective.

I agree mostly, but that last bit sounds like rhetoric - what racist groups do they have ties with?

[Tom4784]

It's widely known at this point, hell, the FBI warned the police of the influence of white supremacy groups in it's ranks and nothing changed. Just google white supremacy and the US police, it's quite staggering how deeply ingrained such groups are but then again, considering the origin of the police in the US, it's sadly not surprising.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgMSgucXoAERNyi?format=jpg&name=large

[Nicky91]

we got all the evidence we need, all the video evidence


what do we care what the non-story/excuse of the cops is

[Ammi]

Jacob Blake was allegedly trying to break up a fight between two women when an officer held his shirt and shot him in the back...



A black man is in a serious condition after being shot seven times at close range by police in Wisconsin.

The man, identified by the state governor as Jacob Blake, was flown by helicopter to hospital on Sunday evening after being shot repeatedly in the back in the city of Kenosha.

Footage circulating on social media showed the incident with Mr Blake, who does not appear to be carrying a weapon, seen walking towards a car as two officers followed him with their guns drawn.

As Mr Blake opens the car door, one of the officers can be seen grabbing his vest and shooting him in the back.

Seven shots can be heard followed by the car's horn continuously beeping.

Civil rights lawyer Benjamin Crump, who represents George Floyd's family, said Mr Blake's three sons were in the car when he was shot.

Police said they had been called to a domestic incident at 5.11pm but gave no further details as to what led to the shooting that followed.

Witnesses said Mr Blake was trying to break up a fight between two women when the officers arrived.

The officers involved in the shooting have been placed on administrative leave, the Wisconsin Department of Justice said early on Monday.

Wisconsin state governor Tony Evers wrote in a tweet: “We stand against excessive use of force and immediate escalation when engaging with black Wisconsinites.”

Wisconsin's division of criminal investigation is looking into the shooting and said it will seek to “provide a report of the incident to the prosecutor within 30 days”.

A city-wide curfew was imposed until 7am on Monday after large protests marched down the streets throwing Molotov cocktails and bricks at police, with one officer reportedly injured by a brick.

A large rubbish truck parked on the road to prevent demonstrators marching towards the police station could be seen on fire before one of its tyres exploded, while people were seen kicking police cars and smashing their windows.

Kenosha's protests are the latest in a series of ongoing demonstrations against police brutality and racism since 25 May when George Floyd died after a white police officer knelt on his neck for eight minutes and 46 seconds.


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/black-man-shot-back-seven-090900195.html

[Oliver_W]

The police in question have been put on leave while an investigation is being carried out. Apparently they didn't know the kids were in the car at the time - believable, it'd probably be hard to see small children in a big SUV from that far back.

It seems like Wisconsin was being burned for nothing... Jacob Blake's rap sheet shows sexual and domestic abuse, and what kind of father violently resists arrest in front of his children? Seven shots might have been excessive, but based on the information at hand the police needed to incapacitate him. But like TS said, they should have done it before he even reached the car.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The police in question have been put on leave while an investigation is being carried out. Apparently they didn't know the kids were in the car at the time - believable, it'd probably be hard to see small children in a big SUV from that far back.

It seems like Wisconsin was being burned for nothing... Jacob Blake's rap sheet shows sexual and domestic abuse, and what kind of father violently resists arrest in front of his children? Seven shots might have been excessive, but based on the information at hand the police needed to incapacitate him. But like TS said, they should have done it before he even reached the car.

didnt they already try to taser him?

[Oliver_W]

didnt they already try to taser him?

Maybe if he'd have stayed tasered then hundreds of thousands of dollars of destruction would have been averted...

[Liam-]

Bringing up someone’s irrelevant history is such a crass way of excusing blatant police brutality

[Oliver_W]

Bringing up someone’s irrelevant history is such a crass way of excusing blatant police brutality

I wasn't excusing anything, I already said seven shots were excessive and he should have been put out of action sooner :shrug:

But the information the police had was: arrested for violence in the past, had just assaulted them, was reaching for something in his car... Easy to see why they'd be just a little concerned, no?

[Crimson Dynamo]

I wasn't excusing anything, I already said seven shots were excessive and he should have been put out of action sooner :shrug:

But the information the police had was: arrested for violence in the past, had just assaulted them, was reaching for something in his car... Easy to see why they'd be just a little concerned, no?

Yes he could and may have been going for a shot gun. People have no idea what the POlice go through on a daily basis, its astonishing how under appreciated they are!

[Ammi]

Jacob Blake: Black man paralysed from waist down after being repeatedly shot in back by police, father says...


https://news.sky.com/story/jacob-blake-black-man-paralysed-from-waist-down-after-being-repeatedly-shot-in-back-by-police-father-says-12056461

[Liam-]

Jacob Blake: Black man paralysed from waist down after being repeatedly shot in back by police, father says...


https://news.sky.com/story/jacob-blake-black-man-paralysed-from-waist-down-after-being-repeatedly-shot-in-back-by-police-father-says-12056461

I hope the cops who cause this suffering face the proper repercussions

[arista]

I hope the cops who cause this suffering face the proper repercussions


Strange the Police Chief
is not telling the press what went on.


It's Tragic he shot him in the back so many times.

[AnnieK]

Yes he could and may have been going for a shot gun. People have no idea what the POlice go through on a daily basis, its astonishing how under appreciated they are!

At least 7 bullets it would seem.

Surely... you can admit that 7 bullets in the back is excessive??

[Crimson Dynamo]

At least 7 bullets it would seem.

Surely... you can admit that 7 bullets in the back is excessive??

how many bullets would you fire to ensure a criminal would not be able to use a gun to kill you?

(exact number please)

[AnnieK]

how many bullets would you fire to ensure a criminal would not be able to use a gun to kill you?

(exact number please)

Considering I am an untrained member of the public, I would not have access to a deadly weapon and therefore am unable to answer that. As it stands....was this man even a criminal? Never the less, as the Police are trained, I am sure a man (criminal or not) can be incapacitated quickly by armed officers without emptying practically the whole clip in his back.

These are trained professionals apparently.....:shrug:

[Tom4784]

Aww poor would be murderers has a hard job so they put 7 bullets in the back of an innocent man and paralysed him for life but that's okay because their job is hard and we should give them a hug instead of holding them accountable for their own actions.

Imagine having empathy for the violent criminal that paralysed this victim and then try to make out that it was the victim's fault he got shot in the back 7 times. That's a dangerous lack of morality there.

[Oliver_W]

As it stands....was this man even a criminal? Never the less, as the Police are trained, I am sure a man (criminal or

He has a history of assaulting the police, and also domestic and sexual abuse.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-jr-jacob-blake-wisconsin-shooting-black-lives-matter-protests-a9686191.html

[Tom4784]

And absolutely none of that lessens the fact that the police committed an act of brutality. I'm so tired of the narrative of 'Oh, this black person has a record so that makes police brutality okay.'

Breonna Taylor never did anything wrong and she was executed in her sleep. Atatianna Jefferson was shot through her window as she played a game with her nephew etc. This man, regardless of his past was shot seven times in the back by a police officer that should know better.

[Oliver_W]

And absolutely none of that lessens the fact that the police committed an act of brutality. I'm so tired of the narrative of 'Oh, this black person has a record so that makes police brutality okay.'

Did I say it did? Or was I simply answering Annie's question?

[thesheriff443]

It’s simple if police pulls a gun on you do as they say.

[Tom4784]

It’s simple if police pulls a gun on you do as they say.

Breonna Taylor was asleep, Atatianna Jefferson was shot through her window before any demands were made of her. The police basically did a drive by on Tamir Rice. George Floyd and Eric Garner both told the police that they couldn't breath when the officers choked them to death.

It's not as simple as doing what the police say when they kill people in their beds and fire first on women and children before establishing the situation and acting accordingly.

Honestly, such a white privilege answer.

[Ammi]

...it’s also been reported in many sites that Jacob Blake was trying to break up a fight and that he had taken his children to the car to distance them from it../...to get them to safety if it continued to escalate etc...when police officers are called, I don’t think they are given any criminal history, if he has one, so why the 7 shots in the back at close range... any one shot being a potentially fatal one...I mean, oh he’s ‘got previous’...(...and surely that wouldn’t be known when the gun was aimed anyway...)...let’s shoot him and then again and again and again etc, just to be sure...only makes for a police officer and police force that doesn’t ‘protect and serve’...it just makes for something that’s very broken, sadly...in some States, obviously....


...slightly off topic, I know...but I recall when the child who fell into a gorilla cage...obviously there was much concern for the child and his family and poor Harambe was killed as well...but it went very quickly from that concern to...’his father has a past criminal history, he has ‘previous’, don't you know...’....I mean what bearing and why was that relevant in any way.....?...IF, Jacob Blake was committing any crime then that crime would be the only thing of any relevance...and potentially he had been given a ‘death sentence’....


...I think that the attorney representing him and his family is the same attorney who is representing George Floyd’s family...

[lewis111]

It’s very clear now that people are always going to find a reason why black people deserve to be murdered. Whether you’re a kid playing with a toy or a woman lying in your own bed the racists will dig and dig to find a justification for your murder

[Oliver_W]

It’s very clear now that people are always going to find a reason why black people deserve to be murdered. Whether you’re a kid playing with a toy or a woman lying in your own bed the racists will dig and dig to find a justification for your murder

Sounds like you're making things up - who has attempted to justify either of these?

[lewis111]

Sounds like you're making things up - who has attempted to justify either of these?

The cases of Tamir Rice and Breyonna Taylor? A simple look through twitter or any discussion on the cases will show plenty of people saying “her boyfriend shouldn’t have shot” or “he shouldn’t have been playing with that toy gun”

[Oliver_W]

The cases of Tamir Rice and Breyonna Taylor? A simple look through twitter or any discussion on the cases will show plenty of people saying “her boyfriend shouldn’t have shot” or “he shouldn’t have been playing with that toy gun”

... okay? and I'll bet their replies are full of people calling them idiots.

No-one here has defending either killing, so acting all indignant about idiots on twitter is no different to attacking a strawman in this particular forum :)

[Denver]

White supremacist vigilantes have attack BLM protestors hooting a bunch of them and killing 2

[Denver]

If is believwd they are the Boogaloo boys and there is evidence that the police are working with them to attack and kill people

[Oliver_W]

Got a link? The terms are all too generic to search :laugh:

[Liam-]

If is believwd they are the Boogaloo boys and there is evidence that the police are working with them to attack and kill people

Wouldn’t surprise me, the founder of the Proud Boys has previously bragged that the police turn a blind eye when they get violent and harm people, so it’s not really a stretch that they do it for other hate groups too

[Denver]

Search Kenosha on twitter all the evidence you need

[Denver]

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Had this been a black guy minutes after a mass shooting then the cops would have put hundreds of rounds in him but because its a white guy

[Oliver_W]

Search Kenosha on twitter all the evidence you need

https://twitter.com/search?q=Kenosha%20&src=typed_query

There doesn't seem to be any evidence the shootings were done by a white supremacist? Maybe someone was sick of the rioting and took it too far.

[Denver]

https://twitter.com/search?q=Kenosha%20&src=typed_query

There doesn't seem to be any evidence the shootings were done by a white supremacist? Maybe someone was sick of the rioting and took it too far.

Its was done by 17 year old Kyle Rittenhouse who has links to extremists groups and the police know about him and it is also illegal for him to have a gun yet police allow him

[Liam-]

No deaths were recorded at the protests until the night that the white supremacist militia turns up and kills 3 people, let’s not kid ourselves about who the dangerous ones are

[Oliver_W]

It sucks that people died, but it also sucks the riots weren't dealt with when they escalated from protests.

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Had this been a black guy minutes after a mass shooting then the cops would have put hundreds of rounds in him but because its a white guy

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[Denver]

Its time for the workd to wake up and put the Trump government on the terrorism list

[Denver]

I cant wait for Biden to send the whole Trump family to prison though

[Oliver_W]

who has links to extremists groups and the police know about him

How'd you know that? I searched his name on twitter and most of the posts were people only naming him and talking about the incident, nothing about extremist links?

[Liam-]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=kGVdk_1598372355

Looters assault an older business owner trying to defend his business in Kenosha, Wisconsin on August 24, 2020

looting, attacking old men, burning local stores


:bored:

[Oliver_W]

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=kGVdk_1598372355

Looters assault an older business owner trying to defend his business in Kenosha, Wisconsin on August 24, 2020

looting, attacking old men, burning local stores


:bored:

The authorities should pull the rugs out from under the alleged extremists by keeping control of the situation, and cracking down on rioting and looting. Deprive the extremists of anything to respond to.

[Tom4784]

It sucks that people died, but it also sucks the riots weren't dealt with when they escalated from protests.



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How strange that your first reaction to all this is not to condemn this killer but to try to make out that the protests were riots.

[Liam-]

I don’t know if anyone’s noticed, but rioting isn’t a crime punishable by death, there is no excuse for these armed, civilian militia going out and murdering people, the excuses being made for them speaks volumes

[Denver]

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Surprise surprise the Sheriff is a known racist

[Oliver_W]

I don’t know if anyone’s noticed, but rioting isn’t a crime punishable by death, there is no excuse for these armed, civilian militia going out and murdering people, the excuses being made for them speaks volumes

The rioters shouldn't be killed, but drenched by water canons, incapacitated by gasses/truncheons/rubber bullets, and removed from the situation. The "militias" should stay at home safe in the knowledge their neighbourhoods aren't being burned to the ground.

[Denver]

The rioters shouldn't be killed, but drenched by water canons, incapacitated by gasses/truncheons/rubber bullets, and removed from the situation. The "militias" should stay at home safe in the knowledge their neighbourhoods aren't being burned to the ground.

The same rubber bullets being illegally shot at peoples heads by police?

[Oliver_W]

The same rubber bullets being illegally shot at peoples heads by police?

When did this happen?

[Tom4784]

The same rubber bullets that are leaving people with permanent injuries?

[Denver]

When did this happen?

During the protests in May and June

[Tom4784]

The rioters shouldn't be killed, but drenched by water canons, incapacitated by gasses/truncheons/rubber bullets, and removed from the situation. The "militias" should stay at home safe in the knowledge their neighbourhoods aren't being burned to the ground.

That's barely condemnation for the white supremacists that went out and killed three protesters.

[Liam-]

When did this happen?

It’s been happening since the protests began, they’ve broken people’s skulls, exploded their eyes, rubber bullets are meant to ricochet off the floor at people, but cops have chosen to shoot them directly at people

[Oliver_W]

That's barely condemnation for the white supremacists that went out and killed three .

That goes without saying :shrug: Everyone knows murder is wrong, and water is wet. I've not seen you condemn rioters using the protests as an excuse to destroy property and loot.

How do you know the guy was a white supremacist?

[Crimson Dynamo]

First lady Melania Trump urged Americans to
cease rioting and looting in major cities in the name of justice.


“I urge people to come together in a civil manner so we can work to live up
to our shared American ideals,” Melania Trump said. “I also ask people to
stop the violence and looting being done in the name of justice and never
make assumptions based on the color of a person’s skin.”


:clap1:

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/08/26/05/32392764-8664385-Melania_Trump_made_the_case_for_her_husband_s_seco nd_term_in_a_s-a-60_1598416059629.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8664385/Melania-Trump-pleads-end-looting-violence-justice.html

[Denver]

First lady Melania Trump urged Americans to
cease rioting and looting in major cities in the name of justice.


“I urge people to come together in a civil manner so we can work to live up
to our shared American ideals,” Melania Trump said. “I also ask people to
stop the violence and looting being done in the name of justice and never
make assumptions based on the color of a person’s skin.”


:clap1:

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/08/26/05/32392764-8664385-Melania_Trump_made_the_case_for_her_husband_s_seco nd_term_in_a_s-a-60_1598416059629.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8664385/Melania-Trump-pleads-end-looting-violence-justice.html
That gold digging bitch best get use to doing time because soon as Trump is out of power the whole family is going down

[Liam-]

A black man gets shot for getting into his car, a white guy shoots 3 people, killing 2 and he gets to just walk away, that is why people protest and that’s why people are angry

[Denver]

A black man gets shot for getting into his car, a white guy shoots 3 people, killing 2 and he gets to just walk away, that is why people protest and that’s why people are angry

and all the white people defending the police and militants

[Smithy]

police didn’t learn from this year, peaceful protests clearly have no impact and it looks like they aren’t interested. There’s no reason to respect them because shooting someone 7 times in back isnt respect. riots are a proper response because violence is their language

[Crimson Dynamo]

A black man gets shot for getting into his car, a white guy shoots 3 people, killing 2 and he gets to just walk away, that is why people protest and that’s why people are angry

no what is causing it is people who misrepresent what happens

"A black man gets shot for getting into his car"

Its a lie

"white guy shoots 3 people, killing 2 and he gets to just walk away"

It's a lie

This type of misrepresentation helps no one and just causes hysteria

[Denver]

no what is causing it is people who misrepresent what happens

"A black man gets shot for getting into his car"

Its a lie

"white guy shoots 3 people, killing 2 and he gets to just walk away"

It's a lie

This type of misrepresentation helps no one and just causes hysteria

I mean there is video evidence there, you would have to be as thick as pig **** to not understand it

[Crimson Dynamo]

I mean there is video evidence there, you would have to be as thick as pig **** to not understand it

well sadly it seems its not been understood

and i am baffled as to why:shrug:

[Denver]

the man got back in his car to see to his kids, what warrants being shot 7 times in your back while your kids watch, its attempted murder

[Oliver_W]

the man got back in his car to see to his kids, what warrants being shot 7 times in your back while your kids watch, its attempted murder

Got back in his car to see his kids? :joker:

After fighting with the cops and being asked to halt, he thought he'd casually stroll over and have a nice chat?

[Tom4784]

That goes without saying :shrug: Everyone knows murder is wrong, and water is wet. I've not seen you condemn rioters using the protests as an excuse to destroy property and loot.

How do you know the guy was a white supremacist?

Because I have common sense? Every time a BLM protester has been murdered at a protest, it's been by a white supremacist. I don't see cause to doubt the guy is a white supremacist here.

Insured property is insured property, I don't value it on the same level I value human lives like you seem to do.

[Tom4784]

Fighting with the cops is an interesting way of saying he was trying to de-escalate the situation but I suppose the latter doesn't work for blaming the guy for getting shot in the back.

[Liam-]

Kyle Rittenhouse has been charged with 2 counts of 1st degree murder and 1 attempted murder, he’s being labelled as a fugitive because he fled Wisconsin

[Liam-]

Oh, he was a fugitive, but they found and arrested him.

[Ammi]

...17yrs old...:sad:..


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[Liam-]

He broke the law just by carrying his gun there and no cops thought to stop him, just tell him and his pals that they’re appreciated and hand them water, it’s a disgrace

[Denver]

He broke the law just by carrying his gun there and no cops thought to stop him, just tell him and his pals that they’re appreciated and hand them water, it’s a disgrace

Lets not forget the cops allowed him to escape

[Oliver_W]

Because I have common sense? Every time a BLM protester has been murdered at a protest, it's been by a white supremacist. I don't see cause to doubt the guy is a white supremacist here.

No reason to think he is one either :shrug: maybe in his twisted mind he thought he was a vigilante, and was defending the streets from the rioters.

Source for BIB?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes he was a juvenile so obviously not anything other than a silly kid

[Denver]

Yes he was a juvenile so obviously not anything other than a silly kid

Well he had broke 2 laws before committing 2 murders and an attempted murder, off to the death penalty he goes

[Crimson Dynamo]

Good to see you are putting faith in the law

We all need to respect the police and the law to avoid anarchy

[Denver]

if a black person is given a death penalty for selling some ciggerettes then a white person can be given it for commiting 5 crimes in one day 3 of which are very serious

[Liam-]

Kyle Rittenhouse has more deaths on his hands than the ‘domestic terrorists’ ‘antifa’ Yet right wingers will still blame his murderous rampage on anything but his own hatred

[Oliver_W]

Yet right wingers will still blame his murderous rampage on anything but his own hatred

His motives aren't clear yet :shrug: If he turns out to be ranting about black people and linked with extremists groups, then sure, brand him thusly. But for now there's no proof at all.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Kyle Rittenhouse has more deaths on his hands than the ‘domestic terrorists’ ‘antifa’ Yet right wingers will still blame his murderous rampage on anything but his own hatred

Can you explain who specifically and how you know Thier politics?

It's Avery specific allegation??

[Denver]

His motives aren't clear yet :shrug: If he turns out to be ranting about black people and linked with extremists groups, then sure, brand him thusly. But for now there's no proof at all.

Its clear his motives by looking into his history

[Tom4784]

No reason to think he is one either :shrug: maybe in his twisted mind he thought he was a vigilante, and was defending the streets from the rioters.

Source for BIB?

Again, google, it's not difficult.

His own deluded justification doesn't matter, he wanted to kill protesters for suggesting that black lives matter, that's white supremacy to me. Honestly, why are you tying yourself in knots about this?

[Oliver_W]

Its clear his motives by looking into his history
Where'd you find the relevant information from his history?
Again, google, it's not difficult.


None of these show what you're alluding to?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12508393/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-wisconsin-jacob-blake-riots/
https://abc30.com/kenosha-shooting-jacob-blake-protests-wisconsin/6389473/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-shooting-suspect-arrested-illinois/

[Oliver_W]

he wanted to kill protesters for suggesting that black lives matter, that's white supremacy to me. Honestly, why are you tying yourself in knots about this?
Or maybe he wanted to stop rioters from causing further damage?

[Liam-]

Or maybe he wanted to stop rioters from causing further damage?

By killing them yes, glad you agree he went there to commit a crime

[Denver]

Where'd you find the relevant information from his history?


None of these show what you're alluding to?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12508393/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-wisconsin-jacob-blake-riots/
https://abc30.com/kenosha-shooting-jacob-blake-protests-wisconsin/6389473/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-shooting-suspect-arrested-illinois/

His Facebook is full of posts about the police and blue lives matter and he wanted to be a police officer now add that to the fact he turn up to a march from a group that wants to defend the police what do you think his motives were?

[Denver]

Also to add he illegally took a gun despite legally not being allowed one then took it to another state where it is illegal to cross states with guns

[Liam-]

His tik-tok also has ‘Trump2020’ in the bio so, his politics are clearly known

[Tom4784]

Or maybe he wanted to stop rioters from causing further damage?

Why are you so averse to admitting that this murderer's motives were racially charged? He decided to kill people at Black Lives Matter protest, it speaks for itself.

Your referring of protesters as rioters is noted. You're already trying to make this racist's crimes less severe by making out that they weren't racially charged and now you keep referring to protesters, and by extension, his victims, as rioters in order to make them look guilty, to subtly make out that they are responsible for being targeted. I see you.

[Oliver_W]

By killing them yes, glad you agree he went there to commit a crime
Did I ever deny that? Or was I saying there's no need to jump to assumptions about the thoughts that go through his head?
His Facebook is full of posts about the police and blue lives matter and he wanted to be a police officer now add that to the fact he turn up to a march from a group that wants to defend the police what do you think his motives were?
But blue lives do matter, all lives do :shrug: Being a copper is a hard and noble job, if done right. Why should someone not want to be one?

I don't know what his motives were, I'm not pretending to be a mind reader. There's no reason to jump to any conclusion, he wanting to "take the law into his own hands" and stop the rioters is as likely as him being racist.

[Oliver_W]

Your referring of protesters as rioters is noted
The protests had turned to riots at that point
https://twitter.com/search?q=wisconsin%20riot&src=typeahead_click&f=image

I see you.
:wavey:

His tik-tok also has ‘Trump2020’ in the bio so, his politics are clearly known

Which bio, do you have a source? I googled "tik tok Trump2020" and nothing relevant came up?

[Liam-]

which bio, do you have a source? I googled "tik tok trump2020" and nothing relevant came up?

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[Oliver_W]

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Hm interesting. I wonder if this'll come into play during the prosecution.

Though if a prosecution brings it up, one only has to point at the line above it and his screenname to say he's just an idiot :hehe:

[Ammi]

...the police officer who shot Jacob Blake has been named as Rusten Sheskey...

[Liam-]

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Is anyone surprised?

[Liam-]

And he has a criminal record of drug possession and resisting arrest, funny that, cause people say black people deserve to die if they have a past like that

[Oliver_W]

And he has a criminal record of drug possession and resisting arrest, funny that, cause people say black people deserve to die if they have a past like that

Who has said that?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes he had a knife in his car (and his children) resisted arest and ignored repeated commands from the officers.

---------------------------------------------
In a statement, the Department of Justice said that during its investigation into the shooting, Mr Blake admitted that he had a knife and that one was recovered from the driver's side of Mr Blake's car.


"Kenosha Police Department officers were dispatched to a residence in the 2800 block of 40th Street on the evening of Sunday, 23 August after a female caller reported that her boyfriend was present and was not supposed to be on the premises.

"During the incident, officers attempted to arrest Jacob S Blake, age 29. Law enforcement deployed a taser to attempt to stop Mr Blake, however the taser was not successful in stopping Mr Blake.

"Mr Blake walked around his vehicle, opened the driver's side door, and leaned forward. While holding onto Mr Blake's shirt, officer Rusten Sheskey fired his service weapon seven times. Officer Sheskey fired the weapon into Mr Blake's back.

"No other officer fired their weapon. Kenosha Police Department does not have body cameras, therefore the officers were not wearing body cameras.

https://news.sky.com/story/police-officer-who-shot-jacob-blake-named-as-rusten-sheskey-12057436

The officer feared for his life, the children and his fellow officers as the perp made a grab for the knife it seems

[arista]

...the police officer who shot Jacob Blake has been named as Rusten Sheskey...


Yes arrest him.

[Oliver_W]

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Following the shooting deaths of two individuals in Kenosha, Wisconsin, 17-year-old Kyle Rittenhouse has been placed under arrest, with footage of the incident showing him appear to run through a crowd of protesters armed with an assault rifle when he is attacked by a number of individuals.

In the video, one of the Black Lives Matter protesters trips Rittenhouse to the ground, resulting in others pouncing on him, including one man with a skateboard. In the ensuing scuffle, Rittenhouse appears to fire a number of rounds off, striking two of his attackers. The crowd then quickly disperses as gun shots from another location can be heard in the background.

Although the video shows Rittenhouse surrounded by an angry mob and him firing in self-defense, it is unclear what happened immediately before the video and police have charged him with first-degree murder, accusing him of being responsible for two shooting deaths. Rittenhouse was arrested in Illinois, where he is a resident.
https://rmx.news/article/article/video-of-kenosha-shooting-appears-to-show-17-year-old-kyle-rittenhouse-fire-his-assault-rifle-in-self-defense-after-being-attacked-by-blm-rioters


Hmmm

[Liam-]

That occurred after he had already shot someone in the head, those people that ‘attacked’ him, were trying to disarm him

[Denver]

From what I heard is there have no evidence that there was a knife on the body cams at the time of it happening

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Liam-]

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Funny that

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Oliver_W]

That occurred after he had already shot someone in the head, those people that ‘attacked’ him, were trying to disarm him

How'd you know that? Last I heard the relative chronology of the clip was unclear.

[Denver]

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It wasn't even his state

[Liam-]

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Hence why he was running and people chased him.

Right wingers who are desperate for protesters’ blood to be spilled are purposefully misrepresenting the order.

He killed two people, he shot two people after he was chased and one just had an arm wound, hence he had already murdered someone before that happened.

[Oliver_W]

It wasn't even his state
And that's not even our country :hehe: People can dislike rioting- and murder- in places they're not from.

[Oliver_W]

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Hence why he was running and people chased him.

Right wingers who are desperate for protesters’ blood to be spilled are purposefully misrepresenting the order.

He killed two people, he shot two people after he was chased and one just had an arm wound, hence he had already murdered someone before that happened.

All that shows is him running and no-one even looking at him.

So it's looking like one count of murder and one killing in self-defence...

[Tom4784]

And that's not even our country :hehe: People can dislike rioting- and murder- in places they're not from.


I notice how you mentioned rioting first (and in place of what it actually is, protesting) like it's justification for the latter. You really do not like acknowledging that it's protesters being murdered, do you?

As Liam noted, the protests went on last night without racist armed militia and it was peaceful. Instead of banging on about rioters, you should consider that it's racists stirring up trouble to demonise the protesters and you're just helping that by refusing acknowledge protests for what they are. It makes it easier for you to blame the protesters for dying if you consider them rioters, I suppose.

[Oliver_W]

Imagine bending over backwards to defend a racist murderer.

Anyone who believes he came from another state to 'protect property' is very ****ing gullible and easily led. He came to shoot people who suggested that black lives matter, to shoot people who 'dared' think that a black person should be considered equal to a white person.

Why are you so hellbent on minimalising racism?

I've not once defended the act of murder :shrug: I'm just not leaping to conclusions about his motives. Seems more likely he's a moronic wannabe vigilante.

[The Slim Reaper]

All that shows is him running and no-one even looking at him.

So it's looking like one count of murder and one killing in self-defence...

If he wouldn't have done the killing, the self defense wouldn't have been necessary. He'll have a tough time trying to make that argument in court as it's nonsensical.

[Liam-]

All that shows is him running and no-one even looking at him.

So it's looking like one count of murder and one killing in self-defence...

You can hear him in the video saying ‘I just killed someone’ on the phone while he runs from the scene, the other videos catch him running and being chased, it’s really not hard logic.

And murdering someone who’s trying to disarm you after killing someone isn’t self defence..

[Liam-]

Besides that, he was carrying that gun illegally, so I don’t really think self defence will wash when he shouldn’t have had the gun in the first place

[The Slim Reaper]

Besides that, he was carrying that gun illegally, so I don’t really think self defence will wash when he shouldn’t have had the gun in the first place

Go on a murderous rampage of killing 200 people. 1 murder, 199 self defences.

[Oliver_W]

I notice how you mentioned rioting first (and in place of what it actually is, protesting) like it's justification for the latter.

Nope, not justification. I mentioned it first because Adam said "it wasn't his state" in response to the video LT posted -the video where the guy didn't denounce BLM or say anything racist. It looks like he was against the riots, and took it too far, ending up in murder. He absolutely should face justice for the unprovoked killing. It's his reasons for being there I'm pondering.

[Liam-]

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[Oliver_W]

If he wouldn't have done the killing, the self defense wouldn't have been necessary. He'll have a tough time trying to make that argument in court as it's nonsensical.

If the riots hadn't kicked off or the police stepped in sooner and got them under control, he'd have no excuse to run around with a gun.

[Liam-]

He was there because groups like that have been calling for ‘patriots’ to stand up and fight against the ‘terrorists’

The right are radicalising people to walk the streets and kill people they don’t agree with, it’s barbaric

[Tom4784]

I've not once defended the act of murder :shrug: I'm just not leaping to conclusions about his motives. Seems more likely he's a moronic wannabe vigilante.

You're downplaying the racism side of things and avoid referring to protesters as protesters, instead referring to them as rioters. You keep mentioning about property damage and this man 'defending property' which in itself is downplaying what is a double murder on his part which you, whether consciously or not, are trying to absolve him of blame by painting it as self defense and by constantly referring to protesters as rioters.

I see what you're doing and I will continue to call it out.

[Tom4784]

If the riots hadn't kicked off or the police stepped in sooner and got them under control, he'd have no excuse to run around with a gun.

And there it is, the justification AND the defense of this murderer's actions. It's all the PROTESTERS' fault for PROTESTING.

[Liam-]

If the riots hadn't kicked off or the police stepped in sooner and got them under control, he'd have no excuse to run around with a gun.

Rioting or protesting isn’t an excuse for nutjobs to roam the streets with machine guns and shoot people, what part of that are you not getting? Starting fires or smashing windows is not punishable by death, making excuses for private citizens to act like private armies and shoot civilians is honestly so bizarre

[Oliver_W]

He was there because groups like that have been calling for ‘patriots’ to stand up and fight against the ‘terrorists’

The right are radicalising people to walk the streets and kill people they don’t agree with, it’s barbaric

Obviously they weren't terrorists, but no-one wants their areas destroyed by rioters.

Sometimes there are no good people in a given situation.

[Oliver_W]

And there it is, the justification AND the defense of this murderer's actions. It's all the PROTESTERS' fault for PROTESTING.

Not the protesters, only the rioters. Some of us differentiate between the two :)

And once again, I've still not defended his actions.

[Liam-]

I’d rather rioters than actual murders shooting people I the street tbh, human lives are worth more than buildings, it’s a shame people refuse to believe it

[Oliver_W]

You're downplaying the racism side of things

Which there's not any proof for.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1298432975974080519

[Liam-]

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This is why they protest

[Tom4784]

Not the protesters, only the rioters. Some of us differentiate between the two :)

And once again, I've still not defended his actions.

Nah, you don't differentiate, you ignore protesters and focus primarily on rioters to downplay the protests and focus on the riots, something that, proven by last night, doesn't tend to happen unless militia or violent right wingers are present.

You've placed blame on the protesters by suggesting this man wouldn't have killed people if not for the 'rioting', that's defending his actions by placing blame elsewhere.

[Oliver_W]

Nah, you don't differentiate, you ignore protesters and focus primarily on rioters to downplay the protests and focus on the riots, something that, proven by last night, doesn't tend to happen unless militia or violent right wingers are present.

You've placed blame on the protesters by suggesting this man wouldn't have killed people if not for the 'rioting', that's defending his actions by placing blame elsewhere.

No, I ignore protesters because they don't need acknowledging, they're doing nothing wrong... until people use the excuse to start rioting and looting.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Jacob Blake had a knife when he was shot in the back seven times by Wisconsin police leaving him paralyzed, the Wisconsin Attorney General revealed.

The Wisconsin Department of Justice provided some of the first details surrounding the police shooting on Wednesday, revealing Blake had a knife and the name of the officer who opened fire.

That knife was later recovered from the driver's side floorboard of his SUV, but it's unclear if Blake had it on him when he was talking to police.

Blake, a 29-year-old father of six, was with his children when he was shot multiple times in the back by Kenosha officers responding to a dispute at the scene on Sunday evening, sparking national outrage and heated protests.

Police were called to the scene at the 2800 block of 40th Street in Kenosha on Sunday after Blake's girlfriend 'reported that her boyfriend was present and was not supposed to be on the premises.'

Officers tried to subdue him with a taser before opening fire.

He opened his car door and appeared to lunge for something as a police officer, identified as Officer Rusten Sheskey, grabbed the back of his shirt and fired into Blake's back seven times.

Officials said Blake was either lunging for the knife on the floor board or it fell from his hand.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8668375/Jacob-Blake-armed-KNIFE-cops-shot-says-Wisconsin-AG.html#comments

but lets have a riot before we get any actual facts...

[Oliver_W]

there was no trouble at the protests until Right Wing racists turned up to sabotage and inflame the situation.

How'd you know that?

[Crimson Dynamo]

obey the police, do not resist, do not ignore what they are telling you, do not make a lunge for a weapon

[Oliver_W]

How'd you know that?

Actually, I don't care. Left or right, rioting is rioting. Maybe it was a couple of far right extremists who got slugged. Doubtful, but still.

I never made it a left v right thing, I don't care who the rioters were.

[Crimson Dynamo]

‘How shocked are we that 17-year-olds with rifles decided they had to maintain order when no one else would?’


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[The Slim Reaper]

Tucker Carlson and his white power hour. You're not even trying anymore LT.

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[Crimson Dynamo]

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[bots]

tucker carlson? Really?

[Beso]

And there it is, the justification AND the defense of this murderer's actions. It's all the PROTESTERS' fault for PROTESTING.

It's the looters fault for looting, in america humans are allowed to protect thier property with a gun...and use it if need be.

[Crimson Dynamo]

tucker carlson? Really?

yes, can you believe he is 50!

[Nicky91]

yes, can you believe he is 50!

Carlson is a loser, and more importantly he's a FOX news lapdog, most vile fake news channel in US

[Crimson Dynamo]

Carlson is a loser, and more importantly he's a FOX news lapdog, most vile fake news channel in US



No you are thinking about CNN

[Liam-]

tucker carlson? Really?

Of course, he’s the poster boy of far right snowflakery

[Nicky91]

No you are thinking about CNN

i only watch CNN, i avoid FOX like the plague (thanks to helpful advice from Trevor Noah's daily show)

[Crimson Dynamo]

One of those people, we know from video, was the first person who was shot by
Rittenhouse. That person has been identified by police as Joseph Rosenbaum,
a white registered sex offender who was convicted of a sex crime with a minor
and who was seen on video using the N-word near black militia members and
taunting them to "shoot me, n***a." At this point, Rosenbaum is the only
person involved in this story who is confirmed to have done anything that might
get a person justifiably branded as a white supremacist.


https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/kyle-rittenhouse-first-degree-murder-absurd

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[Oliver_W]

One of those people, we know from video, was the first person who was shot by
Rittenhouse. That person has been identified by police as Joseph Rosenbaum,
a white registered sex offender who was convicted of a sex crime with a minor
and who was seen on video using the N-word near black militia members and
taunting them to "shoot me, n***a." At this point, Rosenbaum is the only
person involved in this story who is confirmed to have done anything that might
get a person justifiably branded as a white supremacist.


https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/kyle-rittenhouse-first-degree-murder-absurd

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Kyle being our hero dishing out justice

[The Slim Reaper]

One of those people, we know from video, was the first person who was shot by
Rittenhouse. That person has been identified by police as Joseph Rosenbaum,
a white registered sex offender who was convicted of a sex crime with a minor
and who was seen on video using the N-word near black militia members and
taunting them to "shoot me, n***a." At this point, Rosenbaum is the only
person involved in this story who is confirmed to have done anything that might
get a person justifiably branded as a white supremacist.


https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/kyle-rittenhouse-first-degree-murder-absurd

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The videos in that link don't show what this says it does.

[Denver]

Former class mates of the shooter have said he was short tempered and easily offended and they believe he went to the state with the intent to kill

[Crimson Dynamo]

Former class mates of the shooter have said he was short tempered and easily offended and they believe he went to the state with the intent to kill

link and how do they know what he intended?

gossip

[Denver]

link and how do they know what he intended?

gossip
Because they all said in school he would become a mass shooter and he proved them right

[Crimson Dynamo]

Because they all said in school he would become a mass shooter and he proved them right

they all?

where are you getting this stuff from

id imagine every school in america has similar playground gossip about pupils

and i mean every single one

[Crimson Dynamo]

There was an active arrest warrant in Blake's name at the time of the shooting, the Tribune reported, though there is no suggestion that the police were called because of that.

Court records indicate Blake had been charged with third-degree sexual assault, trespassing, and disorderly conduct in connection with domestic abuse on July 6.

https://www.insider.com/picture-details-jacob-blake-black-man-shot-by-police-kenosha-2020-8

He also had a deadly weapon in the car plus his 3 kids...

[Denver]

There we go again LT defending a white police officer shooting a man 7 times in the back

[Crimson Dynamo]

There we go again LT defending a white police officer shooting a man 7 times in the back

No I am realistically showing that if you are a known criminal with a warrant out on you and you are breaking the law by violating a court order do not ignore the police with guns telling you to lie down, do not run to you car and make a grab for a deadly weapon as you will get shot in America

fact

[Nicky91]

No I am realistically showing that if you are a known criminal with a warrant out on you and you are breaking the law by violating a court order do not ignore the police with guns telling you to lie down, do not run to you car and make a grab for a deadly weapon as you will get shot in America

fact

basically comes down to defending those vile disgusting cops

[Oliver_W]

basically comes down to defending those vile disgusting cops

So once they'd been attacked, should the cops have not reacted when Blake reached for something in his vehicle?

[Denver]

No I am realistically showing that if you are a known criminal with a warrant out on you and you are breaking the law by violating a court order do not ignore the police with guns telling you to lie down, do not run to you car and make a grab for a deadly weapon as you will get shot in America

fact

Tell me why have they gave no evidence to the Knife being there and why did it take them 3 days to make an announcement about it? and they have a lot of eye witnesses that refute the clams of the bastard cops #DefundthePolice

[Denver]

So once they'd been attacked, should the cops have not reacted when Blake reached for something in his vehicle?

Yet they allowed white man days before attack them and steal their car but not once was a gun raised

[Oliver_W]

Yet they allowed white man days before attack them and steal their car but not once was a gun raised

Who? When? Link?

Was it the same cops?

[The Slim Reaper]

Who? When? Link?

Was it the same cops?

Tucker Carlson and his white power hour. You're not even trying anymore LT.

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[Nicky91]

So once they'd been attacked, should the cops have not reacted when Blake reached for something in his vehicle?

reacting is something else than shooting a man multiple times in his back

this yet again proves the law enforcement system is severely flawed in US


silly white privileged cops, about time justice system should be taken care of, no more corruption, racism, unnecessary violence there

[Nicky91]

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yeah lol, mainly because they are white, and then you can't do anything wrong with these vile cops :idc:

[bots]

Jacob Blake, the black man shot seven times in the back by police in the US state of Wisconsin, has been handcuffed to his hospital bed, his family says.

Mr Blake was paralysed by the shooting and it is not clear if he will recover.

Police in Kenosha told the BBC that Mr Blake was in custody for previous warrants and the handcuffs were policy.

Meanwhile, a court hearing for a teenager charged with killing two people during unrest over Mr Blake's shooting has been delayed by a month.

Kyle Rittenhouse, 17, had been due to appear before a court in Lake County, Illinois, for a hearing on a request to have him extradited to Wisconsin. But a judge postponed the extradition hearing until 25 September, the Associated Press reported.

Mr Rittenhouse did not appear during Friday's brief video conference.

He faces six criminal counts, including first-degree intentional homicide, first-degree reckless homicide and possession of a dangerous weapon below the legal age of 18.

Kyle Rittenhouse is being defended by a prominent legal firm whose clients have included President Donald Trump's personal attorney Rudolph Giuliani and former Trump adviser Carter Page, according to Reuters news agency.

Mr Blake's shooting in the city of Kenosha sparked demonstrations there and in other cities across the US. It has been relatively quiet for the past two nights.

Mr Blake's father, also called Jacob Blake, spoke to reporters after visiting his son in hospital.

"I hate it that he was laying in that bed with the handcuff on to the bed," he said, quoted by the Chicago Sun-Times. "He can't go anywhere. Why do you have him cuffed to the bed?"

Mr Blake's lawyers have said it will take "a miracle" for him to walk again.

Lt Eric Klinkhammer, of the Kenosha County Sheriff's Department, told the BBC: "Mr Blake is in custody for previous felony warrants. Our policy indicates that all people in custody outside of our jail facility shall be secured with restraints."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53950621

[Crimson Dynamo]

he is a criminal on bail as i understandf it so that would be procedure

[user104658]

he is a criminal on bail as i understandf it so that would be procedure

Bleep blop bloop must follow procedure bleep bloop must blindly comply bleep bleep handcuff paralysed man because he might run away boop boop logic is sound boop no need for free thinking bleep bleep.

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Bleep blop bloop must follow procedure bleep bloop must blindly comply bleep bleep handcuff paralysed man because he might run away boop boop logic is sound boop no need for free thinking bleep bleep.

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TS have you had a wee drink?😁

[Tom4784]

Yet another instance of police cruelty. They paralysed him, he's not going anywhere.

[Liam-]

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[Denver]

Trump got exactly what he wanted, trump supporters attacked a BLM march in Portland which has left 1 person dead.

He has been asking for a race war for months

[Liam-]

Funnily enough, people keep saying that Biden condones the riots and the violence when he doesn’t, yet Trump has today literally made excuses and condoned even more violence and nobody bats an eyelid, it’s tiring

[Oliver_W]

yet Trump has today literally made excuses and condoned even more violence and nobody bats an eyelid, it’s tiring
I've not been following Trump, what did he say?

[bots]

it's up to the american people to get their house in order, they have the opportunity to change things in November if it's what they really want

[Tom4784]

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It is neverending. Defund the police.

[arista]

it's up to the American people to get their house in order, they have the opportunity to change things in November if it's what they really want

Its now getting like 2016 Election.
Trump is using the Battles in America
to gain more support.

Meaning Biden is a Vote for Criminal Looters etc.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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tazered for failing to lie down and follow order. Police have to get suspect on ground to immobilise and check for weapons. Standard procedure when dealing with a potential shooter

once again, fo what the police say

[Nicky91]

tazered for failing to lie down and follow order. Police have to get suspect on ground to immobilise and check for weapons. Standard procedure when dealing with a potential shooter

once again, fo what the police say

since when is it an must to lie down, since hands up is also a correct way of surrender to law enforcement

and yes this particular suspect very much looked like he surrendered

a ''potential shooter'' wouldn't put his hands up either

[Crimson Dynamo]

since when is it an must to lie down,

When a LAW Enforcement officer tells you to

[Denver]

tazered for failing to lie down and follow order. Police have to get suspect on ground to immobilise and check for weapons. Standard procedure when dealing with a potential shooter

once again, fo what the police say

I can tell you know it is not police protocol in any country to kung fu kick a suspect in the back when their hands are in the air not resisting arrest

[Crimson Dynamo]

i can tell you know it is not police protocol in any country to kung fu kick a suspect in the back when their hands are in the air not resisting arrest

he had been tasered and was not doing what was instructed of him

[Denver]

I think you need to go to specsavers as you saw something totally different in the video that was posted

[Nicky91]

I can tell you know it is not police protocol in any country to kung fu kick a suspect in the back when their hands are in the air not resisting arrest

well if Jean-Claude Van Damme worked for american law enforcement, they might have someone qualified to do that

but lol i can't see regular cops doing that

[Tom4784]

You don't jump kick someone who is complying and not resisting. That officer did it to provoke a reaction because who wouldn't react if someone kicked them in the back for no reason? To try to spin that video to make the victim the bad guy is just insane.

Racist white people tell black people to comply with the police and when they do and still get attacked, it's still their fault in those racists' eyes.

[Liam-]

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They’re saying the quiet part out loud now

[Crimson Dynamo]

The International Association of Chiefs of Police has described use of force as the "amount of effort required by police to compel compliance by an unwilling subject"

Officers receive guidance from their individual agencies, but no universal set of rules governs when officers should use force and how much.

https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/overview-police-use-force

It stands to reason that armchair quarterbacks will know better from scant video clips but that is to be expected and ignored by the Great American voting public

[Liam-]

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Trump enjoys the division, he thrives on the hatred and he condones the murder of people who disagree with his disastrous handling of America, he knows he and his cronies are radicalising citizens to do his their bidding, he’s a clear and present danger not only to democracy, but to national security and safety.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes theb actions of violent criminal extreme left thugs all over America is playing right into Mr Tump's hands as he is the LAw and order ticket

[Liam-]

Law and order ticket, yet he constantly breaks laws in plain sight, the only thing he’s good at is gaslighting

[Tom4784]

He also broke several laws in office but the republicans let him off since he 'learned his lesson' (Spoiler alert: he did not).

[Liam-]

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They just won’t stop

[Ammi]

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They just won’t stop

...I vaguely read about this earlier but wasn’t able to fully absorb the story...jeez, what on Earth, though....

[Liam-]

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[Swan]

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Not sure how to react to that video?! Like did the car go there with the intention of causing unrest and damage? Or was it simply someone who was just trying to get home, or to work etc and became frustrated by people blocking the roads?

[Crimson Dynamo]

t simply someone who was just trying to get home, or to work etc and became frustrated by people blocking the roads?

yes i dont think a terrorist would use the horn first! :laugh:

[Liam-]

Not sure how to react to that video?! Like did the car go there with the intention of causing unrest and damage? Or was it simply someone who was just trying to get home, or to work etc and became frustrated by people blocking the roads?

The end result is the name in either situation so it doesn’t really matter?

Plus, eye witness reports and photo evidence show that it was an unmarked police car that had trump supporters that were being escorted somewhere

[Crimson Dynamo]

The end result is the name in either situation so it doesn’t really matter?

Plus, eye witness reports and photo evidence show that it was an unmarked police car that had trump supporters that were being escorted somewhere

how does photo evidence of an unmarked policecar work?

[Swan]

The end result is the name in either situation so it doesn’t really matter?

Plus, eye witness reports and photo evidence show that it was an unmarked police car that had trump supporters that were being escorted somewhere

What was the end result? I looked around and there haven't been any reported injuries.

How did they know they were Trump supporters? Were they wearing MAGA hats or something.

It's all just hearsay. Obviously the driver was wrong, either way, but if it was just a regular NY resident trying to get somewhere i can understand their frustration by being blocked.

[Ammi]

Jacob Blake seen for first time since he was shot by police for court appearance from hospital bed...


https://news.sky.com/story/jacob-blake-makes-court-appearance-from-hospital-bed-to-answer-old-charges-12064016

[Kizzy]

Jacob Blake seen for first time since he was shot by police for court appearance from hospital bed...


https://news.sky.com/story/jacob-blake-makes-court-appearance-from-hospital-bed-to-answer-old-charges-12064016
Hang on... the guy shot 7 times in the back is alive?!

Were the police using a water pistol? Only joking, that's good news.

[Liam-]

Hang on... the guy shot 7 times in the back is alive?!

Were the police using a water pistol? Only joking, that's good news.

He survived but he’s now paralysed from the waist down

[Liam-]

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More extreme right wing violence on peaceful protesters at the hands of Trump supporting thugs, when will the president speak out against this?

[arista]

Liam there are Thugs on both sides

[Oliver_W]

The world would be a better place if a sinkhole swallowed both sides tbh. Giving protesters a bad name.

[Beso]

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I would word it as protestors block car..car refuses to be blocked in.

[Oliver_W]

I would word it as protestors block car..car refuses to be blocked in.

Well sure, he initially moved slowly enough to not hurt anyone, then sped off when the crowd parted.

[Liam-]

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[The Slim Reaper]

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So one sided. We need to see what he was doing to the police before we rush to judgement.

Was he armed?

[Liam-]

So one sided. We need to see what he was doing to the police before we rush to judgement.

Was he armed?

They’ve got such a hard job, there’s no way they could have controlled this tiny child!

[Tom4784]

Enough about the police, what about white on white violence?!

[The Slim Reaper]

When people talk about the cost of the damage to cities, they forget that settling police misconduct suits costs far more.

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[Oliver_W]

When people talk about the cost of the damage to cities, they forget that settling police misconduct suits costs far more.

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The police being sued doesn't make as much difference to people whose businesses or places of work or homes are destroyed though.

[Crimson Dynamo]

76 injured, 14 killed by gunfire this week as NYC shootings skyrocket

New York City’s latest bloody week of gunfire saw 76 people injured, including
14 murdered — with almost two-and-a-half times more shootings than the
same week last year, according to police sources.

As of 7 a.m., the previous week saw 62 separate shootings — a dramatic rise
over the 26 during the same week last year, sources said.

Among the 76 hurt in the latest surge of gunplay, there were 14 murders —
again more than the 10 for the same period in 2019, the sources said.

https://nypost.com/2020/08/16/nyc-shootings-76-injured-14-killed-by-gunfire-this-week/

[The Slim Reaper]

The police being sued doesn't make as much difference to people whose businesses or places of work or homes are destroyed though.

They're generally not being sued for chinese burns. They are often destroying peoples lives and families.

[Oliver_W]

They're generally not being sued for chinese burns. They are often destroying peoples lives and families.

And so they should be sued. But those lawsuits are still background noise to people not involved, unlike riots (which also destroy lives).

[Tom4784]

Buildings mean more than black lives, apparently. Losing loved ones can destroy lives, having your home violated by people who should protect you as they leave destruction and death in their wake can destroy lives. When the police shoot first, lives are destroyed.

[Oliver_W]

Buildings mean more than black lives, apparently.

The two things aren't related. The police shouldn't be killing people, people shouldn't be rioting.