Jonathan Ross' daughter Honey SLAMS parents for offering her diets as a child...

[Ammi]

...Jonathon Ross’ daughter, Honey...has spoken on Loose Women about the impact diet culture has on children...she said that as a teenager, her parents saw her as coming home from school and her suffering miserably and hating her body and hating herself...which isn’t an uncommon conversation that parents can have with their children...her mum and dad tried to give her suggestions on losing weight, which was diets...Honey feels that diets are ‘insane and toxic’ and don’t work...and her advice to parents now is ‘not to shame your children’ in the way that she felt ...anyways, those are all her words and this link has a vid to what she said...


...thoughts..?...


https://uk.style.yahoo.com/jonathan-ross-daughter-honey-slams-071200629.html

[The Slim Reaper]

They would have been worse parents if she came to them with this same problem and they just told her to love herself. I think if I was a parent in that situation, I would have done the same. Offer her the chance to change the things she doesn't like about herself.

[Ammi]

They would have been worse parents if she came to them with this same problem and they just told her to love herself. I think if I was a parent in that situation, I would have done the same. Offer her the chance to change the things she doesn't like about herself.

...that’s the thing, though...that’s why it’s interesting, I think...to see her perspective and even in reflection...?...because, as Honey said, it is a conversation that many parents have with their children...and there is no ‘faulting’ their parenting...but what they were saying and what she heard were not compatible at all and didn’t leave her feeling any less hating of herself....Honey as the receiving child to their parenting for this..?...found it insane and toxic...

[Niamh.]

Yeah I think I agree with Slim here, it's a parents job to make sure their kids are healthy and being over weight isn't. People are tip toeing around hurt feelings and no one can take facts anymore

[Crimson Dynamo]

The DM have been on this story for a few days now


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very little sympathy for her reading the comments

[The Slim Reaper]

...that’s the thing, though...that’s why it’s interesting, I think...to see her perspective and even in reflection...?...because, as Honey said, it is a conversation that many parents have with their children...and there is no ‘faulting’ their parenting...but what they were saying and what she heard were not compatible at all and didn’t leave her feeling any less hating of herself....Honey as the receiving child to their parenting for this..?...found it insane and toxic...

If they were saying "oi fatty, fatty bum bum, stop eating lard for breakfast" then that would be shaming, but dieting and exercise obviously isn't for everyone, so it's easier to throw internal shame on to society, rather than just admitting she didn't want to do anything about it herself.

[Niamh.]

If they were saying "oi fatty, fatty bum bum, stop eating lard for breakfast" then that would be shaming, but dieting and exercise obviously isn't for everyone, so it's easier to throw internal shame on to society, rather than just admitting she didn't want to do anything about it herself.

I mean............ in a nut shell really.

It's nothing to do with how you look, it's about health

[Ammi]

Yeah I think I agree with Slim here, it's a parents job to make sure their kids are healthy and being over weight isn't. People are tip toeing around hurt feelings and no one can take facts anymore

...yeah I agree as well, they handled it in a way that many parents would have...but Honey’s perspective is that diet advise is ‘insane and toxic’ and that’s how she found it both then and now in reflection...I wonder if she discussed the Loose Women debate topic with her parents before she went in and they also knew what she would say...because it would be very hurtful to her parents if it’s something they haven’t all discussed since and that was the first time they were hearing it...

[Ammi]

If they were saying "oi fatty, fatty bum bum, stop eating lard for breakfast" then that would be shaming, but dieting and exercise obviously isn't for everyone, so it's easier to throw internal shame on to society, rather than just admitting she didn't want to do anything about it herself.

....hmmmm, she was a child, though...and health awareness is becoming more and more as time goes on...(..I don’t know what age she is now, this might jot have been that long ago..)...

[Niamh.]

...yeah I agree as well, they handled it in a way that many parents would have...but Honey’s perspective is that diet advise is ‘insane and toxic’ and that’s how she found it both then and now in reflection...I wonder if she discussed the Loose Women debate topic with her parents before she went in and they also knew what she would say...because it would be very hurtful to her parents if it’s something they haven’t all discussed since and that was the first time they were hearing it...

Crash diets are insane and toxic maybe, but having a proper diet is sensible and healthy. I mean were they telling her to go on the Atkins diet or were they telling her to eat more fruit and veg and cut out the McDonalds and chocolate

[Ammi]

Crash diets are insane and toxic maybe, but having a proper diet is sensible and healthy. I mean were they telling her to go on the Atkins diet or were they telling her to eat more fruit and veg and cut out the McDonalds and chocolate

...in my own personal opinion, I think any diet is toxic just because of the word ‘diet’...which suggests depriving off and cutting out etc...it’s an eating change for a life plan that could work better for that person...and if it doesn’t...?...then it’s finding that life eating plan to ‘fit‘...I think especially when food treats are so important to young people as well..(...well older people also...)...so it’s being able to still have those, but just rearrange them a little...

[The Slim Reaper]

....hmmmm, she was a child, though...and health awareness is becoming more and more as time goes on...(..I don’t know what age she is now, this might jot have been that long ago..)...

As an overweight child, she still needed to burn more calories than she took in if she wanted to lose weight. There really is no way to sugarcoat it. Obviously if they were forcing fad dieting on her, then that would be wrong, but offering her exercise and salad is what a parent should be offering regardless of a childs weight.

[Ammi]

...maybe that’s it as well, maybe it’s the attachment to ‘diet’ that she felt to be toxic...

[Niamh.]

...in my own personal opinion, I think any diet is toxic just because of the word ‘diet’...which suggests depriving off and cutting out etc...it’s an eating change for a life plan that could work better for that person...and if it doesn’t...?...then it’s finding that life eating plan to ‘fit‘...I think especially when food treats are so important to young people as well..(...well older people also...)...so it’s being able to still have those, but just rearrange them a little...

Again, I don't see why we have to tip toe around words, your Diet is just what you eat, having a healthy diet isn't being on a diet as such. I don't think we're really helping kids turn in to capable, functioning adults by "protecting" them from words, absolutely normal words at that

[Ammi]

As an overweight child, she still needed to burn more calories than she took in if she wanted to lose weight. There really is no way to sugarcoat it. Obviously if they were forcing fad dieting on her, then that would be wrong, but offering her exercise and salad is what a parent should be offering regardless of a childs weight.

...well I’m not sure even that she was ‘overweight’ but that’s she was feeling, herself....a really low body self image/weight related...?...

[The Slim Reaper]

...well I’m not sure even that she was ‘overweight’ but that’s she was feeling, herself....a really low body self image/weight related...?...

She looks as though she's probably always been struggling with weight. You don't suddenly wake up at 20 and wonder where all the excess timber came from.

[Ammi]

Again, I don't see why we have to tip toe around words, your Diet is just what you eat, having a healthy diet isn't being on a diet as such. I don't think we're really helping kids turn in to capable, functioning adults by "protecting" them from words, absolutely normal words at that

...it’s the use of words as well though ..’this is my daily diet/my daily diet comprises of....’...etc...’you should try this diet/why don’t you try this diet’..(..I hope this is something that she’s just agreed with her parents to talk about as well...because they all think it would be a good debating thing and she’s giving the perspective more as a debate point...)....

[Ammi]

She looks as though she's probably always been struggling with weight. You don't suddenly wake up at 20 and wonder where all the excess timber came from.



...*cringe...*...

[Niamh.]

Actually (and I know some people are just more prone to weight gain) but I wonder in people who use food as an emotional crutch or coping mechanism, does that stem from childhood, on whether when they were upset as a child the parents used sweets or treats to "make them feel better"? From a personal point of view my parents didn't ever do that and now food is the last thing I look for if I'm upset or feeling low

[Ammi]

Actually (and I know some people are just more prone to weight gain) but I wonder in people who use food as an emotional crutch or coping mechanism, does that stem from childhood, on whether when they were upset as a child the parents used sweets or or treats to "make them feel better"? From a personal point of view my parents didn't ever do that and now food is the last thing I look for if I'm upset or feeling low

..yeah, I’m not a ‘comfort eater’ either ...but I recall Becky Hannon from BB...her weight struggles seemed to begin when she lost a sibling...I think her brother died very young...

[Ammi]

...we had a school cook...well quite a few years ago...but she was a nightmare for giving children extra pudding treats to ‘cheer them up’ if she felt they were a bit glum...

[Niamh.]

...we had a school cook...well quite a few years ago...but she was a nightmare for giving children extra pudding treats to ‘cheer them up’ if she felt they were a bit glum...

Yeah, it's just like most things, as a child you're learning to associate and if every time you feel down, fatty or sweet food is the "cure" you're going to reach for that too when you get older

[Ammi]

Yeah, it's just like most things, as a child you're learning to associate and if every time you feel down, fatty or sweet food is the "cure" you're going to reach for that too when you get older

..yeah I think there are a lot of emotionally related comfort associations with smiles/happiness and food etc...and trying to ‘reprogram’ yourself to relating food to hunger and sustenance only, so not overeating beyond being full as well at a meal...?...there might be a little physical stuff involved as well because it’s a common thing for some to say....IT HAS to be ChOCoLATE as a specific craving as opposed to it being a more general ‘treat craving’...

[Marsh.]

Why is this woman starting to make a living out of "SLAMMING" her parents whenever they breathe?

Time to get a job.

[user104658]

Depends if they were saying "lets improve our diets and lifestyle" or "you should go on a diet".

Diets are utter nonsense, the weight lost "on a diet" is almost always put back on later. So if they were encouraging her to "diet" that's not the best idea. If they were encouraging her to eat more healthily and take up physical activities that's another matter; although I would say the best way to do this is to just do it, as a family, rather than "telling" one family member they should do it.

[Cherie]

They would have been worse parents if she came to them with this same problem and they just told her to love herself. I think if I was a parent in that situation, I would have done the same. Offer her the chance to change the things she doesn't like about herself.

I read this the other day and tbf I thought what they did is what most parents would do :shrug:

[bots]

it's very easy to blame others for your own predicament basically

[Kizzy]

Parents are not infallible, to be still blaming your parents for your issues as an adult is immature.

As said the best thing to do as a kid rather than diet is activities. Gymnastics, trampolining, swimming, dance.

She sounds a bit bratty imo, attempting to shame your parents for suggesting ways to help you in your best interest is unfair and hurtful.

[Niamh.]

Parents are not infallible, to be still blaming your parents for your issues as an adult is immature.

As said the best thing to do as a kid rather than diet is activities. Gymnastics, trampolining, swimming, dance.

She sounds a bit bratty imo, attempting to shame your parents for suggesting ways to help you in your best interest is unfair and hurtful.

It really is, we've all, as parents did the wrong thing sometimes (not that I think they're even wrong here but you know) parents are just people doing what they think is best with the tools they have, If she ever has kids herself lets see how perfect she is.

[Kizzy]

She needs to work on her self esteem, she could start by washing her hair?

[Liam-]

Ah yes, she’s not entitled to have feelings about something because parents aren’t perfect, that sounds very balanced and fair

[The Slim Reaper]

Kizzy sending for Niamh :smug:

[Niamh.]

Ah yes, she’s not entitled to have feelings about something because parents aren’t perfect, that sounds very balanced and fair

She can have whatever feelings she wants Liam, she's the one who brought those feelings about her parents in to the media so i presume she doesn't mind having that discussed?

[Liam-]

She can have whatever feelings she wants Liam, she's the one who brought those feelings about her parents in to the media so i presume she doesn't mind having that discussed?

Well that’s not what people are saying in here though is it? It seems people don’t really care that the smallest of things can effect children for the rest of their lives, but how dare they criticise their parents!

[Kizzy]

Ah yes, she’s not entitled to have feelings about something because parents aren’t perfect, that sounds very balanced and fair

It's not fair on her parents to have their purported failings aired on national television..

If you have a problem tell a therapist or a councillor, what are the panel of loose women going to do to help? Their the most effed up bunch of dried up old crones on TV. All they know how to do is flog their tales of depression/ menopause/ divorce to the daily mirror.

[Liam-]

It's not fair on her parents to have their purported failings aired on national television..

If you have a problem tell a therapist or a councillor, what are the panel of loose women going to do to help? Their the most effed up bunch of dried up old crones on TV. All they know how to do is flog their tales of depression/ menopause/ divorce to the daily mirror.

Because maybe other parents can hear her experience and adjust how they deal with their kids as a result, would it have helped if she did it on this morning?

[Niamh.]

Well that’s not what people are saying in here though is it? It seems people don’t really care that the smallest of things can effect children for the rest of their lives, but how dare they criticise their parents!

Jeez Liam you don't need to get so outraged about it, it's just a discussion :laugh:

[Liam-]

Jeez Liam you don't need to get so outraged about it, it's just a discussion :laugh:

I’m not ‘outraged’ I just can’t believe there are people actually blaming her for the feelings something in her childhood caused her, I think most parents would be mortified that something they had done or said caused their child to have bad feeling about it into their adulthood

[Niamh.]

I’m not ‘outraged’ I just can’t believe there are people actually blaming her for the feelings something in her childhood caused her, I think most parents would be mortified that something they had done or said caused their child to have bad feeling about it into their adulthood

But something she's doing now is probably causing her parents to have bad feelings, why is she the only one who's feelings matter to you? Maybe she's in the wrong, maybe she's too sensitive, maybe she's trying to transfer blame so she doesn't have to deal with the real issue.....or maybe it's all her parents faults, we're all just giving our opinions on that from our own life experiences

[Marsh.]

She needs to work on her self esteem, she could start by washing her hair?

:skull:

[Marsh.]

It's not fair on her parents to have their purported failings aired on national television..

If you have a problem tell a therapist or a councillor, what are the panel of loose women going to do to help? Their the most effed up bunch of dried up old crones on TV. All they know how to do is flog their tales of depression/ menopause/ divorce to the daily mirror.

Having illnesses like depression discussed on a public platform does a lot of good for a lot of people and isn't deserving of derision. It's certainly not on the level of celebs sharing trashy stories about their lives.

[Oliver_W]

......but Honey’s perspective is that diet advise is ‘insane and toxic’ and that’s how she found it both then and now in reflection.....

Hm, that wording sounds like kind of thing you'd find on one of those websites which are done in earnest but are used to make feminists look stupid, if that makes sense :hehe: "toxic" is a very "Tumblr" word. Sounds like Honey spent too much time on the Internet during lockdown :laugh:

But in general, I agree with what Slim said up thread. Of course helping ones kids diet is a positive thing, while actively shaming them isn't.

[Kizzy]

Because maybe other parents can hear her experience and adjust how they deal with their kids as a result, would it have helped if she did it on this morning?

If you're getting parenting advice from the pulsating mass of HRT that is loose women or Mr ' kids I've hid my true self from you all your life' Scofield. .There's something very wrong

[Liam-]

If you're getting parenting advice from the pulsating mass of HRT that is loose women or Mr ' kids I've hid my true self from you all your life' Scofield. .There's something very wrong

Idk which part of that to discuss first, the misogyny or the homophobia.

[Kizzy]

I’m not ‘outraged’ I just can’t believe there are people actually blaming her for the feelings something in her childhood caused her, I think most parents would be mortified that something they had done or said caused their child to have bad feeling about it into their adulthood

It's not what she's saying...it's the way she's saying it.the context is rather accusatory which us imo very unfair. I'm sure her parents did not intend to hurt her with their suggestions.

I'm sure they are mortified, and remember her issues began with the bullying, everything her parents did was to counter that but it seems the damage was already done.

The best way to get back at those bullies would be to hit the gym, reduce the sugar and have a makeover. She has beautiful eyes and her hair colour is amazing.

As an adult that has had my fair share of toxic people filter in and out hearing her say those things is upsetting to me, she's tarring her parents with the same brush. No their advice was not ideal but it came from a place of love. If she acknowledged that she would heal a lot quicker.

[Kizzy]

Idk which part of that to discuss first, the misogyny or the homophobia.

Liam for goodness sake...stop projecting your dumb labels onto me. I mentioned that to highlight that parents don't always do the right thing that's all!

I'm the same age as the loose women.. so am I misogynistic against myself? :/

[Kizzy]

Having illnesses like depression discussed on a public platform does a lot of good for a lot of people and isn't deserving of derision. It's certainly not on the level of celebs sharing trashy stories about their lives.

Does it? To people who actually do share/sell trashy stories about their lives.

Imo family therapy would've been a better way to go, that way her parents would have been able to hear and absorb how hurt she was without feeling judged by a load of over opinionated piss heads.

[user104658]

The patriarchy's greatest weapon strikes again :fist:

[Cherie]

I’m in Kizzy’s corner :hee:

Watched the clip, she seems very angry, watching JR over the years he always spoke about his kids and dogs in a loving way, don’t know much about his wife, but Honey comes across as a bit spoiled, would she rather they have taken her to Maccies D to comfort eat, ‘diets’ were not the right way to go but 10 years ago ‘diets’ were very popular and cutting calories is a sure fire way to lose weight...now healthy eating is more the norm than bingeing and starving, and as for Gloria nodding along ..give me strength....she knows what it’s like to lose a child so to be supporting this rather angry woman in slurring her parents on day time TV was crass. Her parents must be very upset by her actions

[Liam-]

Liam for goodness sake...stop projecting your dumb labels onto me. I mentioned that to highlight that parents don't always do the right thing that's all!

I'm the same age as the loose women.. so am I misogynistic against myself? :/

Women can be misogynistic too yes.

You mentioned him hiding his sexuality as a reason someone shouldn’t take parenting advice from him, sorry, that is dubious imo.

[Liam-]

Everyone’s assuming she hasn’t previously discussed this issue with her parents, I have more sympathy for a person who was clearly affected by something as a child than the people who affected her, whether it was intentional or not.

[Cherie]

Everyone’s assuming she hasn’t previously discussed this issue with her parents, I have more sympathy for a person who was clearly affected by something as a child than the people who affected her, whether it was intentional or not.

Even if she has what’s the point of having a go like that, if she wanted to get her point across she could have put it in a different way, it looked to me like she wanted to put the knife in, helped along by Granny Gloria who was loving the drama, if she had a decent relationship with her parents she wouldn’t be slagging them on day time TV, feels more like revenge, maybe the allowance has been stopped!

[Liam-]

Jesus, compassion and understanding has gone out the window then these days

[Glenn.]

The DM have been on this story for a few days now


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very little sympathy for her reading the comments

Shocking given the readership

[Liam-]

If she was skinny or conventionally attractive people would be on her side

[Niamh.]

If she was skinny or conventionally attractive people would be on her sideThat's weird logic

[Kizzy]

Women can be misogynistic too yes.

You mentioned him hiding his sexuality as a reason someone shouldn’t take parenting advice from him, sorry, that is dubious imo.

You're projecting again ...don't presume my intention. I explained I highlighted that to show parents don't always make the best choices, they do what they feel is best at the time. After if that is found to be wrong then you talk it out as adults.

This does not appear to have happened with honey or if it has not very effectively as she still seems very hurt and angry. Which is why this televised venting is imo counterproductive.

[Oliver_W]

If she was skinny or conventionally attractive people would be on her side

If she was skinny people might find it more believable she knew anything about diets :hehe:

[Liam-]

That's weird logic

Not really, people in general seem to have a very low tolerance for overweight people, if she was skinny and pretty and was saying dieting culture was toxic and her parents damaged her by pursuing that for her at a young age, guaranteed she would have a lot more sympathy and understanding, it’s the way society works these days.

[Liam-]

You're projecting again ...don't presume my intention. I explained I highlighted that to show parents don't always make the best choices, they do what they feel is best at the time. After if that is found to be wrong then you talk it out as adults.

This does not appear to have happened with honey or if it has not very effectively as she still seems very hurt and angry. Which is why this televised venting is imo counterproductive.

Projecting what? I’m giving my opinion on your opinion, that’s what we’re all doing

[Kizzy]

Jesus, compassion and understanding has gone out the window then these days

It hasn't. . I have a lot of compassion for her, it's horrible to see how affected she is, I just fail to see how this will help her reconcile her emotional pain.
You hurt me so now I'm going to hurt you?.. what other message is there to get from this? Just pointing fingers isn't helping anyone.

[Kizzy]

Projecting what? I’m giving my opinion on your opinion, that’s what we’re all doing

Yes well I've just clarified my opinion for you as you seem to be misinterpretating what I'm saying and making all kinds of accusations!

So far I'm a misogynistic homophobe for giving MY opinion.

[Kizzy]

I’m in Kizzy’s corner :hee:

Watched the clip, she seems very angry, watching JR over the years he always spoke about his kids and dogs in a loving way, don’t know much about his wife, but Honey comes across as a bit spoiled, would she rather they have taken her to Maccies D to comfort eat, ‘diets’ were not the right way to go but 10 years ago ‘diets’ were very popular and cutting calories is a sure fire way to lose weight...now healthy eating is more the norm than bingeing and starving, and as for Gloria nodding along ..give me strength....she knows what it’s like to lose a child so to be supporting this rather angry woman in slurring her parents on day time TV was crass. Her parents must be very upset by her actions

Can we have some kind of award for this momentous occasion?...

:joker:

[Liam-]

It hasn't. . I have a lot of compassion for her, it's horrible to see how affected she is, I just fail to see how this will help her reconcile her emotional pain.
You hurt me so now I'm going to hurt you?.. what other message is there to get from this? Just pointing fingers isn't helping anyone.

She went on there to talk about her experiences and her opinion on something that is a concern for countless people across the country, I doubt she went on there with the aim of hurting her parents

[Kizzy]

Not really, people in general seem to have a very low tolerance for overweight people, if she was skinny and pretty and was saying dieting culture was toxic and her parents damaged her by pursuing that for her at a young age, guaranteed she would have a lot more sympathy and understanding, it’s the way society works these days.

That's very fuzzy logic Liam, it says more about your view than anyone's tbh. Imo whatever size she is if she's hurt she's hurt.

[Dogeatdog]

She went on there to talk about her experiences and her opinion on something that is a concern for countless people across the country, I doubt she went on there with the aim of hurting her parents

I think she should’ve still considered her parents feelings though. She may have discussed with them what she intended on saying during this interview (obviously we don’t know) but if I was her parents I’d still feel a bit hurt by what she said regardless whether a discussion took place beforehand or not.

[Cherie]

If she was skinny or conventionally attractive people would be on her side

Funnily enough about two weeks ago there was a very attractive skinny woman being interviewed on This Morning claiming she wouldn’t hire an overweight person, I didn’t agree with her either

[Cherie]

Can we have some kind of award for this momentous occasion?...

:joker:

Yes ..Josy ??? :laugh:

[Niamh.]

Not really, people in general seem to have a very low tolerance for overweight people, if she was skinny and pretty and was saying dieting culture was toxic and her parents damaged her by pursuing that for her at a young age, guaranteed she would have a lot more sympathy and understanding, it’s the way society works these days.If she was skinny and pretty and women disagreed with her we'd be accused of being jealous, lose/lose

[Kizzy]

I'm sorry to say...I read the mail article. (I'm going to hell)

And yes I still think she's a fat whingy brat, sat there in a 500 quid frock purporting to be a body image activist.
Wearing pink latex with 'real' on it? Feeling proud she inspired someone to throw their scales away..

It's a fact , being overweight is a big risk to your health, it may not seem it at 22, you're young and supple, for now. Fast forward another 20yrs, now your joints ache you have early onset arthritis, diabetes and you're in daily pain that requires medication.

How about when bleating about the dangers of bad advice you take a listen to yourself Honey? Body confidence is one thing but advocating a size that may jeopardise your future health THAT is toxic.

I don't care what her parents said you watch in a few years when the realities of being overweight start to take their toll she'll do what EVERY other fat and proud celeb has done and lose weight!

Unfortunately it may not be as easy for some of those she's 'influenced' with her plus size instagram photoshoots spilling out of the latest must have outfit.

[Marsh.]

Women can be misogynistic too yes.

Oh don't even bother. :joker:

[Marsh.]

Does it? To people who actually do share/sell trashy stories about their lives.

Imo family therapy would've been a better way to go, that way her parents would have been able to hear and absorb how hurt she was without feeling judged by a load of over opinionated piss heads.

I was referring to your dismissive comments about "Loose Women" sharing stories of depression, I don't know if Jonathan Ross' daughter has depression.

Either way, it being discussed publicly helps reduce stigma and get people to seek help. Only a good thing.

[Kizzy]

I was referring to your dismissive comments about "Loose Women" sharing stories of depression, I don't know if Jonathan Ross' daughter has depression.

Either way, it being discussed publicly helps reduce stigma and get people to seek help. Only a good thing.

Who said she did, reduces the stigma of what? What does she need help for, she's a body positivity inluencer with 1000s of instagram followers. As she says she's more confident in her own skin than her leaner friends... so where's the issue?

[Ammi]

Everyone’s assuming she hasn’t previously discussed this issue with her parents, I have more sympathy for a person who was clearly affected by something as a child than the people who affected her, whether it was intentional or not.

...I guess that’s my main thought, Liam...that this is maybe something that she’d already discussed with her parents, that this would be ‘her point of debate‘ as it were when she knew that she would be on Loose Women...?...and it has indeed caught media attention ...(...and obviously we’re discussing it now...)....and that it was something that they are fine with....I read on DS that her dad had been asked for comment, so it’ll be interesting to see if he adds anything to it publicly....anyways, it’s one of those things for me when I feel for both ‘sides’ as it were...the ‘diet advice’ offered by her parents obviously had a very negative impact on her and that’s very sad...:sad:...and her parent’s own sadness at that time would have come from seeing the child they loved so much, being so unhappy and hating herself so much....when all they would be able to see themselves was a most beautiful daughter...?...and all they would have wanted to see was that daughter’s happiness...I think at times as well when someone feels so low and miserable etc as Honey did...any advice might feel ‘insane and toxic’ just because some of it would be her own personal perspective as well and how she herself thought processes things etc...so it’s difficult because it’s never a one size fits all, type thing...for some people and some teenagers...?...diet advice would be a positive, life changing, type thing....I still have a dislike of the word diet in that context but you know what I mean....

....anyways, they all seem like a lovely and loving family and she’s trying to help others now to a better body confidence place...:love:...hopefully, no one will find her ‘influencing’ insane or toxic...but I think that the insane and toxic can sometimes come from within ourselves of just not always being in a place of receiving any ‘positive advice‘ yet...

[Cherie]

She said on that interview that 'she didn't choose her parents' and that her picture was taken at events she attended with them without her consent and posted online which is fair comment when she was little (apart from choosing her parents as no one can do that) , I wonder why she attended events at say age 16 when she could have stayed at home?

Anyhow I think it shows a lack of respect for her parents, it's reported that JR and his wife treated their kids more like friends than children, maybe that is the issue here

[bots]

there has obviously been a breakdown in relations between her and her parents, and it will be a lot deeper than their attitudes on dieting. It seems to me that the whole thing is a setup and she is cashing in on her parents success. No "normal" family would air their grievances in public - it's no-one elses business

[Kizzy]

It just seems odd to me that someone complaining about being given bad advice is in turn offering out equally bad advice.

The advice and support she was offered by her parents didn't work for her, that's not really a reason to brand all diets toxic, A healthy diet plan can work for many.

[Marsh.]

Who said she did, reduces the stigma of what? What does she need help for, she's a body positivity inluencer with 1000s of instagram followers. As she says she's more confident in her own skin than her leaner friends... so where's the issue?

None of this relates to anything I said, so I'll assume you quoted the wrong post. No worries.

[Cherie]

I wonder at the timing, maybe like most caring parents they are concerned about her size during a pandemic where being overweight does not help fight the virus, maybe they are concerned that being a 'fat activist' at this current time isn't particularly helpful to people desperately trying to lose weight, if she is fine in her own skin and taking responsibility for her own health, no bother, but 'influencing' others ..nah

[Marsh.]

Given her penchant for "speaking out" against her parents in the past to publicly disagree with something they've done or commented on I think she's attention seeking first and foremost. The easiest way to do that is to jump on dad's fame.

[Kizzy]

None of this relates to anything I said, so I'll assume you quoted the wrong post. No worries.

Ok I'm not looking to get into any 'I said,you said' that might derail the conversation either.

[Marsh.]

Ok I'm not looking to get into any 'I said,you said' that might derail the conversation either.

I said there's no worries. :thumbs:

[Kizzy]

I said there's no worries. :thumbs:

And I said ok.

[user104658]

:think: I just watched the clip and she doesn't even slam them. She says they "offered her solutions to a problem she brought to them; wanting to lose weight - and the solutions they offered were various diets".

She says it was in hindsight bad advice, which it is, but she isn'tsaying they should have known better or deliberately shamed her, just that, giving it thought, the advice could have been better. How is that "slamming them"? I don't get it, really. Plays into this idea that parents are supposed to be infallible and that her saying they gave out some bad advice means they were terrible or did something really wrong... when that's not even what she's doing. Not in the clip I saw, anyway. I'm sure I'll give my kids a tonne of pish advice as they grow up and I'll be happy enough for them to say so when they're adults :joker:.

I can only imagine that the idea that she's "slamming them" comes from the nonsensical and unhealthy idea that adult children should have some sort of reverence for their parents. Yawn.

[Kizzy]

There is no expectation of reverence, respect maybe?

Hindsight is a wonderful thing but as you know even us parents don't possess it.

The use of language is important using words like toxic are designed specifically to make you feel they almost force fed her salad!

Whats the deal that diets don't work anyway? Many do diet and succeed?

[Marsh.]

:think: I just watched the clip and she doesn't even slam them. She says they "offered her solutions to a problem she brought to them; wanting to lose weight - and the solutions they offered were various diets".

She says it was in hindsight bad advice, which it is, but she isn'tsaying they should have known better or deliberately shamed her, just that, giving it thought, the advice could have been better. How is that "slamming them"? I don't get it, really. Plays into this idea that parents are supposed to be infallible and that her saying they gave out some bad advice means they were terrible or did something really wrong... when that's not even what she's doing. Not in the clip I saw, anyway. I'm sure I'll give my kids a tonne of pish advice as they grow up and I'll be happy enough for them to say so when they're adults :joker:.

I can only imagine that the idea that she's "slamming them" comes from the nonsensical and unhealthy idea that adult children should have some sort of reverence for their parents. Yawn.

Same old tabloid fodder.

Anytime one celebrity disagrees with another on twitter it leads to a slew of "x SLAMMED by y" articles. :joker:

[Marsh.]

Whats the deal that diets don't work anyway? Many do diet and succeed?

Depends what she means by it. If they were fad diets, then they are harmful and toxic or whether she means they simply tried helping her to change the quality and quantity of food she was consuming.

[Kizzy]

Depends what she means by it. If they were fad diets, then they are harmful and toxic or whether she means they simply tried helping her to change the quality and quantity of food she was consuming.

There was no explanation, just an umberella over 'diets'. Which again is bad advice, it's akin to saying 'don't attempt any change of diet, it won't work'! That's really negative.

[Marsh.]

There was no explanation, just an umberella over 'diets'.

I know. I said "depends what she means".

[user104658]

There is no expectation of reverence, respect maybe?

Hindsight is a wonderful thing but as you know even us parents don't possess it.

The use of language is important using words like toxic are designed specifically to make you feel they almost force fed her salad!

Whats the deal that diets don't work anyway? Many do diet and succeed?

I don't see what's disrespectful about an adult stating they disagree with a parenting choice their parents made, unless there's an expectation of reverence. You can acknowledge that your parents were only human, that they were doing what they thought was best, that they had good intentions, whilst still commenting that a choice they made affected you badly. I don't see why a parent would have any problem with that, either, unless they find it "disrespectful" to be questioned by their offspring. I'm aware that many do feel that way of course.

Changing your diet permanently (if it's bad) works, a healthier lifestyle in general works... "temporary" diets tend not to work because they have an end date and more often than not, weight goes back on as soon as the dieting is finished. That can be "toxic" because reaching a goal weight only to wake up 6 months later as overweight as ever can be even more disheartening than not losing the weight in the first place.

The focus should always be cutting junk, cutting portion sizes if they're excessive, and a more active lifestyle... permanently. The reason a lot of people are overweight isn't even "bad food"... it's large portion sizes and sedentary lifestyle.

[Kizzy]

I know. I said "depends what she means".

Yes you did, I was just clarifying my point a bit better.