Kenosha Riot Shootout: Your Reaction? (graphic video)

[Liberty4eva]

Not sure if this had made any news in the UK. On the third night of rioting in Kenosha Wisconsin a 17 year old with a rifle shot 3 people. Two of them died and the third (who had a gun in his hand) lost a huge chunk of his right arm and may have to have it amputated.

The 17 year old was part of a bigger group that was protecting private property from BLM protesters. Interestingly, the 3 people he shot were all convicted felons and one of them spent a decade in jail for raping a 12 year old girl. Did they deserve death? Well, perhaps not. The kid has been charged with murder but would be surprised if he is convicted. It's clearly self-defense and one of them (the pedophile) was egging him on to shoot him.

The only scene that is truly gruesome is where the guy is nursing his half-blown off arm. For better or worse, we in America have a 2nd amendment.

[Mokka]

Wow
So you are happy to live in a country where a 17 year old can illegally walk the streets with an assult rifle, and dole out vigilante justice firing on anyone who yells at him.
I watched your video and you must have some serious blinders on if you call that self-defense. The priors of the victims are irrelevant because the gunman a) wasn't privy to that information when he mowed them down, and b) doesn't have the legal right to be judge, jury and executioner. That is what a Justice system is for.
Good luck with your Country. I'm proud to not be apart of it.

[Ammi]

...I’m not going to click on the vid, it says banned video...it’s very sad that such a great country as the USA, the land of the free and the home of the brave and the land of opportunity etc...over time has now become the land that puts a deadly weapon into the hands of children....

[arista]

Yes its getting bad there

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes it's the consequence of looting and burning property by criminals pretending to be upset by gossip and misinformation.

[bots]

it's a consequence of the police not being transparent over the issue and de-escalating it and Trump enabling individuals to violence with his rhetoric - and i'm not going to watch the video

[Oliver_W]

If the police knew how to do their jobs it wouldn't have happened.

And yes, I mean in the shooting of Jacob Blake and in allowing the protests to reach the point of riots.

[Liam-]

He went there with an illegal weapon and murdered two people, he should rot in prison with the other murderers, simple as that really.

[Tom4784]

Shootout would suggest a gunfight, that both parties have chosen to engage in combat. A person going around shooting unarmed people is murder. Don't try to frame what happened as a fight to make both sides look equally bad when it wasn't.

Murdering someone with a criminal record is still murder.

[Denver]

Have a terrorist as a president then expect his followers to do this

[Liberty4eva]

Shootout would suggest a gunfight, that both parties have chosen to engage in combat. A person going around shooting unarmed people is murder. Don't try to frame what happened as a fight to make both sides look equally bad when it wasn't.

Murdering someone with a criminal record is still murder.

If you watch the video he's clearly trying to escape the people trying to attack him. One of the people shot had a handgun. Video and photo evidence shows this. And he wasn't the only one shooting. There is shooting by someone else (not sure who or where).

[Liam-]

If you watch the video he's clearly trying to escape the people trying to attack him. One of the people shot had a handgun. Video and photo evidence shows this. And he wasn't the only one shooting. There is shooting by someone else (not sure who or where).

He was being chased by people trying to disarm him after he had just murdered someone

[Denver]

If you watch the video he's clearly trying to escape the people trying to attack him. One of the people shot had a handgun. Video and photo evidence shows this. And he wasn't the only one shooting. There is shooting by someone else (not sure who or where).

If you actually watched more then 1 video you would understand he shot someone in the head and killed them before being chased

[Tom4784]

If you watch the video he's clearly trying to escape the people trying to attack him. One of the people shot had a handgun. Video and photo evidence shows this. And he wasn't the only one shooting. There is shooting by someone else (not sure who or where).

You mean he just killed someone and people are trying to stop him from getting away?

Why do the right wing struggle so much when it comes to facts?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Videos prove self defense for all three shot:

-1st chap shot (in head) chased the 17 year old boy (Kyle) and threw a firebomb at him in the dealership lot then charged him before Kyle shot him as Kyle was surrounded by rioters/looters coming from all directions.

- 2nd chap shot (in chest) was 3rd in a string of rioters/looters trying to knock Kyle out (hitting him in the head with a skateboard) while Kyle was running to police.

- 3rd chap shot (in arm) charged Kyle with a handgun after faking hands-up.

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[Liberty4eva]

You mean he just killed someone and people are trying to stop him from getting away?

Why do the right wing struggle so much when it comes to facts?

Getting away? When he shot that pedophile in the head he immediately called the police on the phone. You can faintly hear him say "I just shot someone". And he was trying to get away from them. He actually was going towards the police to turn himself in.

[Liam-]

Getting away? When he shot that pedophile in the head he immediately called the police on the phone. You can faintly hear him say "I just shot someone". And he was trying to get away from them. He actually was going towards the police to turn himself in.

He didn’t phone the police, he phoned his friend, read the official charge documents, his friend confirmed it to the police.

The police drove past him and true patriots tried to disarm him after he murdered someone, murdering someone trying to disarm you after you’ve murdered someone isn’t self defence.

[Liberty4eva]

To the editor: why did you remove my video? That kind of defeats the purpose of this thread. I give full disclaimer that it is graphic and describe how it is graphic. If people choose to watch that's their choice. What are we a bunch of children? You might as well just delete the whole thread without the video.

[Tom4784]

Getting away? When he shot that pedophile in the head he immediately called the police on the phone. You can faintly hear him say "I just shot someone". And he was trying to get away from them. He actually was going towards the police to turn himself in.

You don't know the facts that are widely available.

Murder is murder, Liberty. If you murder someone and then people try to disarm you, that's not self defense on your part and trying to frame it as such is just disingenuous bull****. The white supremacist you're defending travelled state lines with an illegal gun because he wanted to use it, he wanted to kill someone. You don't go to that much bother to protect a building that has no relevance to you, you do it because you want to harm protesters and most likely more specifically, black people.

[Niamh.]

To the editor: why did you remove my video? That kind of defeats the purpose of this thread. I give full disclaimer that it is graphic and describe how it is graphic. If people choose to watch that's their choice. What are we a bunch of children? You might as well just delete the whole thread without the video.

Graphic video's like that are not allowed. "What are we a bunch of Children"? The age limit is 13 for this forum so yes there may be members who are not adults. Would you like me to delete the thread?

[Oliver_W]

The white supremacist you're defending travelled state lines with an illegal gun because he wanted to use it

Have you found any proof the murderer was a white supremacist?

[Tom4784]

Have you found any proof the murderer was a white supremacist?

Trump Supporter, travelled across state lines with an illegal gun to use against protesters protesting police brutality against black people.

It's not exactly difficult to put 2 and 2 together, Oliver.

[Denver]

Have you found any proof the murderer was a white supremacist?

Being a hard-core trump supporter is enough proof

[Oliver_W]

Trump Supporter, travelled across state lines with an illegal gun to use against protesters protesting police brutality against black people.

It's not exactly difficult to put 2 and 2 together, Oliver.

He didn't say he wanted to use it against protesters, he said he wanted to protect the area from rioting. Maybe race doesn't come into it at all :shrug: If the protesters had simply protested, at least three lives wouldn't have been lost, and people's buildings and business wouldn't have been destroyed. And also, the wannabe vigilantes would be standing around with nothing to do.

[Liam-]

I think you’ll find that if they weren’t shot, they’d still be alive, what they were doing wouldn’t have lead to their death without a madman with a gun

[Tom4784]

He didn't say he wanted to use it against protesters, he said he wanted to protect the area from rioting. Maybe race doesn't come into it at all :shrug: If the protesters had simply protested, at least three lives wouldn't have been lost, and people's buildings and business wouldn't have been destroyed. And also, the wannabe vigilantes would be standing around with nothing to do.

Usually the most simple explanation is the correct one, you have to jump through a lot of logical hoops for your version to work.

Again, you blame murdered victims for being murdered while minimalising the obvious racism and crimes of the murderer in question. Instead of looking for ways to victim blame, how about you hold murderers and vigilantes accountable for their own actions? It's certainly easier than the regular mental gymnastics you do to justify and minimalise the actions of murderers.

[Oliver_W]

Usually the most simple explanation is the correct one, you have to jump through a lot of logical hoops for your version to work.


What logical hoops?

In the video LT shared in the other thread, he didn't say anything about race or BLM. He talked about the rioting. Not a single logic hoop needs to be jumped through to come to my conclusion. Occam's Razor would therefor suggest race didn't come into it.

[Tom4784]

You have to ignore a lot of common sense to make your version of events work, Oliver.

He was an extremist Trump Supporter that crossed state lines with an illegal gun and he knew what he was doing since he was looking at law enforcement as a career. Your version of events ignore a bunch of likelier options over a preferred view that doesn't make much sense considering the outcome.

The simple answer is often the correct one. He is a murderer that killed people because they were protesting poor treatment of black people, therefore, he is a racist murderer.

[Liberty4eva]

Graphic video's like that are not allowed. "What are we a bunch of Children"? The age limit is 13 for this forum so yes there may be members who are not adults. Would you like me to delete the thread?

I'd like you to put the link back in. We live in a world that ain't always sunshine and flowers. Would you delete a video the zapruder film in the Kennedy assassination? In the strictest technical sense I didn't post the video. I just presented a link to the video. "Banned.video" is just the name of the platform. It's owned and operated by Alex Jones.

As far as deleted the thread, I don't care either way. I'm just saying there is no purpose to it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

it wasnt graphic it was blurred out

you didnt see anything

[Liam-]

Alex Jones, why am I not surprised

[Niamh.]

I'd like you to put the link back in. We live in a world that ain't always sunshine and flowers. Would you delete a video the zapruder film in the Kennedy assassination? In the strictest technical sense I didn't post the video. I just presented a link to the video. "Banned.video" is just the name of the platform. It's owned and operated by Alex Jones.

As far as deleted the thread, I don't care either way. I'm just saying there is no purpose to it.

What I will do is discuss it with admin and see if they are OK with the video going back up.

[Tom4784]

Ah Alex Jones, the man who made targets out of grieving parents who had lost their children in an elementary school shooting by making up a conspiracy theory to make crazies harrass those poor people. He is a voice that must surely be believed.

[Oliver_W]

You have to ignore a lot of common sense to make your version of events work, Oliver.

He was an extremist Trump Supporter that crossed state lines with an illegal gun and he knew what he was doing since he was looking at law enforcement as a career. Your version of events ignore a bunch of likelier options over a preferred view that doesn't make much sense considering the outcome.

The simple answer is often the correct one. He is a murderer that killed people because they were protesting poor treatment of black people, therefore, he is a racist murderer.
We'll just have to agree to disagree :)

As it is, all I see is a little snot who took vigilantism too far, because he wanted to protect an area from the riots. Until something comes to light which shows he wanted to kill people based on the amount of pigment in their skin, I'm gonna hold my horses. Remember riots and protests are different things, and there's no evidence he was against the latter.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

The member of the “People’s Revolution Movement” who had his bicep blown off in Konesha two nights ago may have just helped Kyle Rittenhouse’s claim of self-defense. If you aren’t familar with the details, Gaige Grosskreutz charged with a pistol at Rittenhouse after he was being beaten on the ground by another man who subsequently shot and killed. New evidence also shows that someone fired at Rittenhouse first during the first altercation in which a third man was shot in the head. He was then chased down the street where he encountered Grosskreutz.

Now, a friend claims that Grosskreutz regrets not shooting and killing Rittenhouse, going so far as to say he wanted to empty “the entire mag into him.”

While this statement may or may not be admissible in court, it does bolster Rittenhouse’s claim that he rightfully feared for his life. It will also be something the police have to take into account during their investigation. Rittenhouse, according to the video, was not the aggressor in either location where shooting took place. In the first instance, a man charged him, throwing something at him while clearly posing a threat. That was the first discharge of the weapon. The mob then chased him down the street. After stumbling, he was hit with a skateboard and discharged his weapon several times again, killing the man trying to assault him. It was then that Grosskreutz was videoed running at Rittenhouse with a pistol in his hand. The final shot was fired at that point, blowing Grosskreutz’s bicep up in what has now become a viral video.

At the end of the day, I see noway that a 1st degree murder charge stands here. Every piece of evidence says this was self-defense. And while it may be correct to say this 17 year old shouldn’t have been there armed with a gun, the right stop others from harming or killing you doesn’t go out the window over concerns of vanity. Regardless of why he was there, Rittenhouse had a right to shoot those attacking him. Whether this will serve as a lesson for future “protesters,” we’ll see. It’s a shame something like this had to happen for people to realize how dangerous these riots are getting. This entire ordeal is a gross failure of state and local officials who had the power to prevent the carnage and destruction. If police aren’t allowed to do their jobs and anarchy reigns, people are going to get killed. It was inevitable and it will happen again unless things change.

https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2020/08/27/protester-who-got-his-bicep-shot-off-admits-he-wanted-to-kill-teen-shooter/

[Liam-]

The guy who had his arm blown off was the 3rd person the lunatic shot and Americans have the right to shoot people if they’re being shot at, so yes, I’m not surprised he wished he shot him after he shot someone else and before he got his arm blown off, seems quite rational thinking actually, if he had shot the murderer, he wouldn’t have been shot himself, that’s sensible

[Crimson Dynamo]

The guy who had his arm blown off was the 3rd person the lunatic shot and Americans have the right to shoot people if they’re being shot at, so yes, I’m not surprised he wished he shot him after he shot someone else and before he got his arm blown off, seems quite rational thinking actually, if he had shot the murderer, he wouldn’t have been shot himself, that’s sensible

From what we know so far he charged at the young boy pointing a handgun at him

so he is lucky to get away with a minor wound

[Liam-]

He was trying to disarm a murderer using his protected liberties, he was a very Good Samaritan trying to help keep his fellow citizens safe and paid the price at the hands of a murderous, radicalised militant, he’s very lucky to have escaped alive, bless him

He showed great restraint in the face of an imminent threat to his life, he should be rewarded for his bravery

[Crimson Dynamo]

he was trying to disarm a murderer using his protected liberties, he was a very good samaritan trying to help keep his fellow citizens safe and paid the price at the hands of a murderous, radicalised militant, he’s very lucky to have escaped alive, bless him

he is a rioter and a member of a communist organisation

[Liam-]

He’s a hero who put his life on the line to try and stop a vicious murder from taking any more lives, if a cop did that they’d get some sort of medal, he should be honoured somehow

[Crimson Dynamo]

He’s a hero who put his life on the line to try and stop a vicious murder from taking any more lives, if a cop did that they’d get some sort of medal, he should be honoured somehow

too far

[Denver]

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doesn't Lin Wood have a history of being racist?

[Crimson Dynamo]

He’s a hero who put his life on the line to try and stop a vicious murder from taking any more lives, if a cop did that they’d get some sort of medal, he should be honoured somehow

here you can watch the video of your "Hero" charging WITH A HANDGUN at a 17 year old boy who has been knocked on the floor

The young boy defends himself as best he can



self- defense

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8672915/Teen-charged-Kenosha-shootings-killed-2-wounded-1.html

[Denver]

Its nit self defense if you went with the intention to kill

[Liam-]

A 17 year old double murderer LT, he was using is liberties to attempt to disarm a double murderer, it’s not self defence to kill someone trying to disarm you after murdering two people

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[Nicky91]

here you can watch the video of your "Hero" charging WITH A HANDGUN at a 17 year old boy who has been knocked on the floor

The young boy defends himself as best he can



self- defense

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8672915/Teen-charged-Kenosha-shootings-killed-2-wounded-1.html

no, it is not self-defense

[Liam-]

When 12 year old are shot while playing with toy guns, they’re seen as criminals, when 17 year olds murder and injure multiple people with actual guns, they’re seen as kids, enough of the bull**** honestly.

[Crimson Dynamo]

no, it is not self-defense

its the very definition

he was being attacked by a murderous criminal mob

[Liam-]

Except, they’ve never killed anybody, try again

[Crimson Dynamo]

Except, they’ve never killed anybody, try again

no because they came up against someone who fought back to their lawless criminality and anarchy and id imagine this will continue until these agitators are jailed en masse

[Liam-]

No, because they’re not murderers, if they were the double murderer would have been dead as well, this hero had the chance to take deadly measures to protect himself and he chose not to, he chose to put his life at risk instead.

You’re right though, there probably will be more murderous right wingers killing people for no reason, they’re the most dangerous people in the USA right now, I hope everyone stays aware and safe.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Denver]

Antifa is just a made up name to take away from the president being a benefactor in white supremacist groups

[Nicky91]

Antifa is just a made up name to take away from the president being a benefactor in white supremacist groups

which i wonder, i guess Donnie still gets those votes from those KKK members this years elections too

[Crimson Dynamo]

which i wonder, i guess Donnie still gets those votes from those KKK members this years elections too

:joker:

well with approximately 3,000 Klan members in the USA he isnt going to get too far with that

[Denver]

He will rely in all the other 10,000 white supremacist organisations

[Crimson Dynamo]

He will rely in all the other 10,000 white supremacist organisations

yes like the Police, the Fire Brigade, the Church and the Binmen

[Oliver_W]

yes like the Police, the Fire Brigade, the Church and the Binmen

Some nutters would probably say all of those are symbols of white supremacy :joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Some nutters would probably say all of those are symbols of white supremacy :joker:

Oh I know :joker:

[Swan]

yes like the Police, the Fire Brigade, the Church and the Binmen

The Binmen especially! Those damn white supremacists :fist:

[Liam-]

The police in America were set up to hunt down escaped slaves so, y’know, it wouldn’t be far wrong and reports show the level of racists joining the force has skyrocketed over the years.

And the less said about the church the better tbh.

[Oliver_W]

The police in America were set up to hunt down escaped slaves.

The purposes of things can change over hundreds of years, funnily enough.

[Tom4784]

Imagine not knowing some basic US history and making out that speakingout against the police is the same as speaking out against public services as a whole when the US police were created to basically beat down slaves and 'keep them in line'.

Some people are so disingenuous with their arguments that they have to knowingly misrepresent a fact to make out that one side is wrong. Imagine jumping through so many hoops and not realising you're in the wrong.

[Tom4784]

We'll just have to agree to disagree :)

As it is, all I see is a little snot who took vigilantism too far, because he wanted to protect an area from the riots. Until something comes to light which shows he wanted to kill people based on the amount of pigment in their skin, I'm gonna hold my horses. Remember riots and protests are different things, and there's no evidence he was against the latter.

And what you happen to see is a killer whose image you're softening by making him out to be a dumb kid when he's a killer that targetted protesters. To try to make out this wasn't racially motivated is particularly foolish, the whole situation is racially motivated, protesters are out there protesting because of racially motivated violence by the police. People oppose the protesters because they don't like being reminded that racism exists or they don't want to consider black people their equals. The whole situation is racially charged so contorting your mind into nonsensical justifications as to why this man chose to cross state lines with an illegally owned gun to oppose a protest protesting police brutality against black people is just particularly silly. You can't fight common sense so don't try.

Also, you've already shown your hand by being quick to blame protesters for being murdered and not the white supremacist murderer himself.

[Oliver_W]

And what you happen to see is a killer whose image you're softening by making him out to be a dumb kid when he's a killer that targetted protesters. To try to make out this wasn't racially motivated is particularly foolish,
The only person he killed outside of self-defence was a white sex offender who was using the N-word. So maybe it really wasn't about race after all.

https://theothermccain.com/2020/08/28/sex-offender-joseph-rosenbaum-taunted-armed-civilians-shoot-me-n-r/

To say he was targetting protestors is to act as if peaceful protesters are the same as rioters, which is an insult to protesters.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Can we stop pretending that using the word ",imagine" isn't just being insulting to members. I mean, please. It's not subtle

[Liberty4eva]

A 17 year old double murderer LT, he was using is liberties to attempt to disarm a double murderer, it’s not self defence to kill someone trying to disarm you after murdering two people

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Do you really think their only goal was to disarm him? Like they would have taken his gun and that would have been that. Anyone with half a brain knows that they would have disarmed him and then beaten him to within an inch of his life. When the kid tripped and was on the ground, at that point he really didn't have a choice.

[Tom4784]

Can we stop pretending that using the word ",imagine" isn't just being insulting to members. I mean, please. It's not subtle

You must fall to pieces every time you hear John Lennon's imagine.

'This word is ATTACKING ME!:bawling:'

[Tom4784]

The only person he killed outside of self-defence was a white sex offender who was using the N-word. So maybe it really wasn't about race after all.

https://theothermccain.com/2020/08/28/sex-offender-joseph-rosenbaum-taunted-armed-civilians-shoot-me-n-r/

To say he was targetting protestors is to act as if peaceful protesters are the same as rioters, which is an insult to protesters.

Oh drop it, it's not self defense if you kill someone and then other people try to apprehend you. Also your source is just plain dubious when a quick google search shows that no respected publication or platform is covering this 'story'.

I know you desperately want to paint this story a certain way but if you're relying on bad sources to push a certain narrative then you're destined to be in the wrong. The Right Wing are desperate to venerate this murderer and it's gross. The victim's past is irrelevant, what the victim said is irrelevant. You don't shoot people in the face and murder them and none of the details that the right bang on about change the facts of the case.

[Denver]

Why wouls the person who has a history of hating on black people then take offence when someone uses the N word? That story makes no sense

[Oliver_W]

Why wouls the person who has a history of hating on black people then take offence when someone uses the N word? That story makes no sense

What's his history of hating on black people?

[Denver]

What's his history of hating on black people?

His whole stance on the BLM and the president he supports

[Oliver_W]

His whole stance on the BLM and the president he supports

What has he said about the BLM movement?

[Denver]

What has he said about the BLM movement?

By turning the slogan into Blue Lives Matter whichbus a very racist thing to be doing

[Oliver_W]

By turning the slogan into Blue Lives Matter whichbus a very racist thing to be doing

:joker:okay Adam.

Did you know black people can be cops? They would fall under the banner of Blue Lives Matter. There's nothing racist in thinking the people who put their lives on the line every day actually do matter.

Sometimes it's not actually about skin colours :)

[Denver]

:joker:okay Adam.

Did you know black people can be cops? They would fall under the banner of Blue Lives Matter. There's nothing racist in thinking the people who put their lives on the line every day actually do matter.

Sometimes it's not actually about skin colours :)

If your taking the name of an organisation that was made to raise awareness for treatment of black people to change it into your agenda then I am sorry you are racist.

Blue lives matter, White Lives Matter, All Lives matter are only used by racist people

[Oliver_W]

If your taking the name of an organisation that was made to raise awareness for treatment of black people to change it into your agenda then I am sorry you are racist.

Blue lives matter, White Lives Matter, All Lives matter are only used by racist people
Bare in mind he's only seventeen and wanted to be a cop How many seventeen year olds know what they're talking about 100% of the tine? Unless there's something else to cross-reference racism, chances are he just appropriated the
phrase to show support for the police.

And before any nutters try to twist the first part of that, he's still a murderer, being 17 years old doesn't absolve him of that :rolleyes:

[Denver]

Bull**** he knew what he was doing and the video evidence out there of him saying he was out to kill people at the march

[Oliver_W]

Bull**** he knew what he was doing and the video evidence out there of him saying he was out to kill people at the march

I've never denied that. Doesn't mean race had anything to do with it though.

[Denver]

If your going to a march about how black people are treated with the intentions to kill then you are there because of your hatred for black people nothing else

[Oliver_W]

It wasn't about the intention of the initial protest, it was about the damage caused by the riots.

[Tom4784]

Blue Lives Matter is a direct response to Black Lives Matter, an angry response to the suggestion that Black lives are weighed the same as everyone else's. Blue Lives Matter is steeped in racism. Anyone that supports Blue Lives Matter basically opposes the idea that black lives matter as well.

Being a Trump supporter in 2020 is pretty much proof of racism, there is literally no other reason for anyone to support him other than that he makes them more confident in their racism.

[Liam-]

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Well would you look at that, the lunatic double murderer has a history of violence against women, whodathunkit, kinda puts a hole in the ‘good kid’ narrative the far right morons have been spinning doesn’t it

[Denver]

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Well would you look at that, the lunatic double murderer has a history of violence against women, whodathunkit, kinda puts a hole in the ‘good kid’ narrative the far right morons have been spinning doesn’t it

-waits for the 'it was self defence' narrative-

[Oliver_W]

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Well would you look at that, the lunatic double murderer has a history of violence against women, whodathunkit, kinda puts a hole in the ‘good kid’ narrative the far right morons have been spinning doesn’t it

Who said he was a good kid? I've not seen anyone claiming that in the coverage?

[Tom4784]

People have just been undermining his acts of murder by making out that he's some dumb kid that didn't know what he was doing or that he was doing the right thing and it's the evil protesters that deserve death because of reasons that don't make much sense.

[Crimson Dynamo]

He was defending a business against criminal extreme left gangs and was attacked by cowards, unfortunately for them he was armed.


If Biden were to win and that would be a big if these extreme left crimnal gangs would get worse and worse so hopefully the Great American public will once again back Donald and law and order

:fc:

[Denver]

Donald Trump is a racist who has a history of wanting innocent black men dead

[Liam-]

Trump is inciting the violence because he knows that’s all he has, fear, he’s stoking hatred and division to try and say Biden will create hatred and division, everything they say that will happen under Biden, is happening now, under Trump, because he’s not a cult leader, not a president, he’s trying every dirty trick in the book because he knows he’s going to be going to court once he’s out of office, it’s simple as that, him and his zombies are the biggest domestic terror threats in America at this moment

[Oliver_W]

Domestic terror includes destroying homes and businesses, who does that with more regularity? What comparable things do the other side do?

[Liam-]

You’re right, killing people isn’t comparable to destroying property, tell me the last time someone on the left shot up a church or a supermarket

[Oliver_W]

You’re right, killing people isn’t comparable to destroying property, tell me the last time someone on the left shot up a church or a supermarket

Don't know. When was the last time someone on the right did one of those?

Is it as common as the riots?

[Liam-]

Don't know. When was the last time someone on the right did one of those?

.Boogaloo boys killed security and law enforcement this year
.Jeffersontown Kruger shooting
.El Paso Walmart shooting
.Pittsburgh Synagogue shooting
. An anti-racism protestor was run over and killed by a neo-nazi in Charlottesville
.Lafayette cinema shooting
.Blaze Bernstein was stabbed to death by a neo-nazi because he was Jewish and openly gay.
.A man killed two people on a train in Portland after being confronted because he was abusing muslims
.Timothy Caughman was stabbed to death by a white man who admitted to killing black men so that white women didn’t get into interracial relationships with them
.Colorado planned parenthood shooting
. Charlestone church shooting


58 deaths in total at the hands of right wing terrorists and that’s just in 5 years, there are many many more examples.

But yeah, people angry at racism smashing windows and setting fires, with no formal deaths attributed to them are the real dangers in America, nah.

[Liam-]

Property damage will never be in the same league as the loss of life, no amount of spinning will ever change that.

[Tom4784]

Don't know. When was the last time someone on the right did one of those?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_El_Paso_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poway_synagogue_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_synagogue_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlottesville_car_attack
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_Springs_Planned_Parenthood_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charleston_church_shooting

Just a small selection of Right Wing terror attacks within the past 5 years, there has been 15 shooting incidents involving Right Wing terrorism in the US in the past five years alone and that's just from looking on Wikipedia, the majority of which have occurred in 2017/2018.

[Tom4784]

Property damage will never be in the same league as the loss of life, no amount of spinning will ever change that.

Black lives are less important than insured brick or mortar it seems.

[arista]

Donald Trump is a racist who has a history of wanting innocent black men dead


No he is not
he has Blacks working for him.

[Liam-]

No he is not
he has Blacks working for him.

...

[Denver]

No he is not
he has Blacks working for him.

Are you denying he tried to get 5 innocent men the death penalty for a crime they didn't commit and was later release and had it Expunged after evidence found they were not guilty which the police already knew and to this day he still refuses to apologise and still believes they should be dead?

[Crimson Dynamo]

.Boogaloo boys killed security and law enforcement this year
.Jeffersontown Kruger shooting
.El Paso Walmart shooting
.Pittsburgh Synagogue shooting
. An anti-racism protestor was run over and killed by a neo-nazi in Charlottesville
.Lafayette cinema shooting
.Blaze Bernstein was stabbed to death by a neo-nazi because he was Jewish and openly gay.
.A man killed two people on a train in Portland after being confronted because he was abusing muslims
.Timothy Caughman was stabbed to death by a white man who admitted to killing black men so that white women didn’t get into interracial relationships with them
.Colorado planned parenthood shooting
. Charlestone church shooting


58 deaths in total at the hands of right wing terrorists and that’s just in 5 years, there are many many more examples.

But yeah, people angry at racism smashing windows and setting fires, with no formal deaths attributed to them are the real dangers in America, nah.

10 deaths a year from a population of 300,000,000?

Id imagine most Americans are far worried about looting and burning of businesses by extreme left criminal thugs prevalent in the great Democrat-run cities

[Liam-]

Black lives are less important than insured brick or mortar it seems.

That’s what happens in a racist capitalist country

[Denver]

10 deaths a year from a population of 300,000,000?

Id imagine most Americans are far worried about looting and burning of businesses by extreme left criminal thugs prevalent in the great Democrat-run cities

So a burning building where nobody dies is more important then the death of 10 people?

[Denver]

burn the whole building down starting with Trump Towers

[Crimson Dynamo]

So a burning building where nobody dies is more important then the death of 10 people?

yes especially if its your city

In Wisconsin at least half a dozen buildings burned to the ground, including small businesses and a Wisconsin probation and parole office. Every car in a dealership lot was charred.

Countless other buildings had smashed windows and vandalized exteriors.

Very worrying for the local non-criminal community.

[Oliver_W]

.Boogaloo boys killed security and law enforcement this year
.Jeffersontown Kruger shooting
.El Paso Walmart shooting
.Pittsburgh Synagogue shooting
. An anti-racism protestor was run over and killed by a neo-nazi in Charlottesville
.Lafayette cinema shooting
.Blaze Bernstein was stabbed to death by a neo-nazi because he was Jewish and openly gay.
.A man killed two people on a train in Portland after being confronted because he was abusing muslims
.Timothy Caughman was stabbed to death by a white man who admitted to killing black men so that white women didn’t get into interracial relationships with them
.Colorado planned parenthood shooting
. Charlestone church shooting


58 deaths in total at the hands of right wing terrorists and that’s just in 5 years, there are many many more examples.

But yeah, people angry at racism smashing windows and setting fires, with no formal deaths attributed to them are the real dangers in America, nah.

Boogaloo Boys? How do those idiots come up with those names :joker: Not heard of them. Hopefully all of the criminals you mentioned are facing or have faced justice?

50-odd deaths in five years isn't that much.

Also bare in mind they're usually individual people who generally get caught on their first outing at a single target, not an organised group or movement who constantly and indiscriminately destroy vast swathes of a city where innocent people live. Both forms of radicalisation should be cracked down on, the sooner the better.

[Tom4784]

Boogaloo Boys? How do those idiots come up with those names :joker: Not heard of them. Hopefully all of the criminals you mentioned are facing or have faced justice?

50-odd deaths in five years isn't that much.

Also bare in mind they're usually individual people who generally get caught on their first outing at a single target, not an organised group or movement who constantly and indiscriminately destroy vast swathes of a city where innocent people live. Both forms of radicalisation should be cracked down on, the sooner the better.

Good ****ing grief, Oliver.

You're basically saying you're perfectly fine with a set amount of terror related deaths as long as they don't go over a perceived amount. 50 murders (NOT deaths) are 50 too many and don't get it twisted, 50 terror related deaths in 5 years is a ****ing lot. There is no 'acceptable amount'. It doesn't make someone's death less bad if they're killed by a lone terrorist or a group.

Honestly, you've moved on from minimising a racist murderer's crime to minimising right wing terrorism and both are disgusting things to do.

[Oliver_W]

Chill yer beans love, I'm not minimizing anything. A single death is too many, obviously. But to act as if ten deaths a year indicates the biggest terror threat in the west is bonkers.

[Liam-]

I said in America, not the west and right wing terror is the biggest threat in the States at the moment, without fail

Although, it is a continually growing threat worldwide too so

[Tom4784]

Chill yer beans love, I'm not minimizing anything. A single death is too many, obviously. But to act as if ten deaths a year indicates the biggest terror threat in the west is bonkers.

Completely wrong. Right Wing terrorism is considered the biggest threat in the US at the moment and Right Wing attacks are increasing throughout the west at a worrying rate, so yeah, you are trying to minimize it by making out that it's not as big of a threat as it is.

[Oliver_W]

Completely wrong. Right Wing terrorism is considered the biggest threat in the US at the moment .

By what metric? If we're talking about deaths caused, islamic attacks have the right wing beat at 78 deaths since 2015 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks). If we're talking about damage to communities, the left wing riots cause thousands (millions?) of dollars of damage, destroy businesses, and in Chicago for instance created "food deserts" where there were no active food stores within five miles. (https://twitter.com/justsomeguycc/status/1268953181486297088)

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Tom4784]

By what metric? If we're talking about deaths caused, islamic attacks have the right wing beat at 78 deaths since 2015 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks). If we're talking about damage to communities, the left wing riots cause thousands (millions?) of dollars of damage, destroy businesses, and in Chicago for instance created "food deserts" where there were no active food stores within five miles. (https://twitter.com/justsomeguycc/status/1268953181486297088)

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/25/us/domestic-terrorism-laws.html

Homeland security themselves said that Right Wing terrorism is the biggest threat at the moment while islamic terrorism has been demoted to third, which isn't a surprise really given that they haven't had an islamic terrorist incident in quite a few years compared to the semi-regular Right Wing attacks.

I like how you attribute riots to protesters and the left when it's known that the agitators are nearly always Right Wing based. Russians and Right Wingers posing as Antifa on Twitter, police officers engaging in plots to destabalise peaceful protests etc.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-antifa-twitter-fake/fact-check-antifa-twitter-account-that-called-for-violence-was-fake-idUSKBN23B2TY
https://www.chcf.org/blog/journalists-covering-protests-sabotaged-police-violence-harassment/
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/31/us/george-floyd-protests-white-supremacists-antifa.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/minneapolis-protest-riot-umbrella-man-george-floyd-a9539741.html

[arista]

1299840099211972608


Nice People

[Oliver_W]

I like how you attribute riots to protesters and the left when it's known that the agitators are nearly always Right Wing based. Russians and Right Wingers posing as Antifa on Twitter, police officers engaging in plots to destabalise peaceful protests etc.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-antifa-twitter-fake/fact-check-antifa-twitter-account-that-called-for-violence-was-fake-idUSKBN23B2TY
https://www.chcf.org/blog/journalists-covering-protests-sabotaged-police-violence-harassment/
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/31/us/george-floyd-protests-white-supremacists-antifa.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/minneapolis-protest-riot-umbrella-man-george-floyd-a9539741.html

I guess it depends if the rioters were sitting at home on twitter, saw the tweets, and decided to where the protests were and cause trouble; or if the protests escalated to the point of riots because of high spirits and generally aggressive people. Just because some "bots" tweet out stupid things, it doesn't mean it leads to people acting on them, especially when people stoked by a "race war" rhetoric were already present and protesting.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Kenosha activist declares open season on white people:
'It’s time for us to kill one of yours'

:facepalm:

https://media.breitbart.com/media/2020/08/Kenosha-rally-Getty-640x480.jpg

At a rally in Kenosha on Saturday, an activist declared that black people
should retaliate against white people when they kill members of the black
community.


What did the "activist" say?

According to the Kenosha News, the shocking comments were made during a
rally on Saturday during which demonstrators demanded justice for Blake.


The man, who was only identified by one demonstrator as "our president,"
according to the newspaper, made his comments during what the Kenosha
News called a "peaceful march."

But the activist's instructions were anything but peaceful.

"I love being black. I love black people. I know some of you may not want to
say that," the man said, according to the Kenosha News. "You tell us how t
behave when you have taken our lives. The black man is worth something. His life is worth something."

"I have to say god d**n it — if you kill one of us, it's time for us to kill one of yours," the activist went on to say. "I know everybody don't want to hear
that. But d**n why are we the ones who have to keep burying ours and got
to keep clean for you to see us as being human? We ain't never did nothing to nobody."

https://www.theblaze.com/news/kenosha-activist-declares-open-season-on-white-people-its-time-for-us-to-kill-one-of-yours

[Oliver_W]

Kenosha activist declares open season on white people:
'It’s time for us to kill one of yours'

:facepalm:

https://media.breitbart.com/media/2020/08/Kenosha-rally-Getty-640x480.jpg

At a rally in Kenosha on Saturday, an activist declared that black people
should retaliate against white people when they kill members of the black
community.


What did the "activist" say?

According to the Kenosha News, the shocking comments were made during a
rally on Saturday during which demonstrators demanded justice for Blake.


The man, who was only identified by one demonstrator as "our president,"
according to the newspaper, made his comments during what the Kenosha
News called a "peaceful march."

But the activist's instructions were anything but peaceful.

"I love being black. I love black people. I know some of you may not want to
say that," the man said, according to the Kenosha News. "You tell us how t
behave when you have taken our lives. The black man is worth something. His life is worth something."

"I have to say god d**n it — if you kill one of us, it's time for us to kill one of yours," the activist went on to say. "I know everybody don't want to hear
that. But d**n why are we the ones who have to keep burying ours and got
to keep clean for you to see us as being human? We ain't never did nothing to nobody."

https://www.theblaze.com/news/kenosha-activist-declares-open-season-on-white-people-its-time-for-us-to-kill-one-of-yours

Scary, but remember one nasty racist doesn't represent the entire movement.

If I was a protester I'd be really pissed off that people like that were taking the spotlight.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Tom4784]

I guess it depends if the rioters were sitting at home on twitter, saw the tweets, and decided to where the protests were and cause trouble; or if the protests escalated to the point of riots because of high spirits and generally aggressive people. Just because some "bots" tweet out stupid things, it doesn't mean it leads to people acting on them, especially when people stoked by a "race war" rhetoric were already present and protesting.

This thread is about a murderer that basically did just that...

Please, the only people going on about race wars are racists that see black people demanding equality and to not be murdered by the police as a threat. No one who believes in Black Lives Matter care about some racist's race war delusions, they just want justice and equality.

I feel like, no matter what is posted, you are determined to see BLM in a bad light, or are determined to make it seem like an extremist organisation that's the opposite of the same coin to far right extremists when it's clearly not.

[Nicky91]

Trump is coming to Kenosha, but he doesn't want to meet Jacob Blake's parents (because they only want to with their lawyers)

[Crimson Dynamo]

Trump Defends Kenosha Shooting Suspect

President Trump on Monday declined to condemn the actions of the suspected 17-year-old shooter of three protesters against police brutality in Kenosha, Wis., claiming, without evidence, that it appeared the gunman was acting in self defense.

Kyle Rittenhouse has been charged with six criminal counts, including first-degree intentional homicide, for the shooting last week that left two protesters dead and a third injured. An investigation is ongoing, which the president also acknowledged.

The incident occurred during the third night of unrest following the police shooting of 29-year-old on the run criminal Jacob Blake,.

When asked during a Monday press briefing whether he would condemn the Illinois teen's actions, Trump defended Rittenhouse, suggesting that it appeared to him the shooter was acting in self defense.

"He was trying to get away from them, I guess, it looks like," Trump said, noting the incident was under investigation. "I guess he was in very big trouble. He probably would have been killed," Trump said.

https://www.npr.org/2020/08/31/908137377/trump-defends-kenosha-shooting-suspect?t=1598945820661

[Nicky91]

Trump Defends Kenosha Shooting Suspect

President Trump on Monday declined to condemn the actions of the suspected 17-year-old shooter of three protesters against police brutality in Kenosha, Wis., claiming, without evidence, that it appeared the gunman was acting in self defense.

Kyle Rittenhouse has been charged with six criminal counts, including first-degree intentional homicide, for the shooting last week that left two protesters dead and a third injured. An investigation is ongoing, which the president also acknowledged.

The incident occurred during the third night of unrest following the police shooting of 29-year-old on the run criminal Jacob Blake,.

When asked during a Monday press briefing whether he would condemn the Illinois teen's actions, Trump defended Rittenhouse, suggesting that it appeared to him the shooter was acting in self defense.

"He was trying to get away from them, I guess, it looks like," Trump said, noting the incident was under investigation. "I guess he was in very big trouble. He probably would have been killed," Trump said.

https://www.npr.org/2020/08/31/908137377/trump-defends-kenosha-shooting-suspect?t=1598945820661

Trump defending murderers :bored:

[Tom4784]

Murder is okay if you're a racist, it seems.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

He went there with an illegal weapon and murdered two people, he should rot in prison with the other murderers, simple as that really.

INcorrect it was not an illegal weapon and he was legally allowed to open carry it in Wisconsin

[Crimson Dynamo]

Trump Supporter, travelled across state lines with an illegal gun to use against protesters protesting police brutality against black people.

It's not exactly difficult to put 2 and 2 together, Oliver.

it was NOT an illegal weapon

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eg2T8NBWsAIjPrG?format=jpg&name=900x900

Trump Visiting Kenosha

[arista]

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Trump is Live

[Crimson Dynamo]

Very good of Donald to visit cities destroyed by extreme left terrorists

[Tom4784]

it was NOT an illegal weapon

You don't know what you're talking about, as usual.

You have to be 18 to openly carry a gun in Wisconsin, the white supremacist murderer was 17. He also concealed the gun while he transported it which is against Wisconsin law. It's also in breach of federal law, as he crossed state lines with a semi-automatic weapon.

This is what happens when you only consume media that tells you what you want to hear, you get fed bull**** and you spread that bull**** to others thinking it's fact.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You don't know what you're talking about, as usual.

You have to be 18 to openly carry a gun in Wisconsin, the white supremacist murderer was 17. He also concealed the gun while he transported it which is against Wisconsin law. It's also in breach of federal law, as he crossed state lines with a semi-automatic weapon.

This is what happens when you only consume media that tells you what you want to hear, you get fed bull**** and you spread that bull**** to others thinking it's fact.

Please harness your aggressive posting

It's NOT an illegal weapon and it didn't cross state lines

f a c t

And the patriot is not a ws

F a c t

[Liam-]

Wisconsin also doesn’t have a ‘stand your ground’ law so he has no actual legal defence for him murdering two people.

Justice should prevail and he should spend the rest of his life behind bars with the other violent murdering thugs

[Crimson Dynamo]

The American public admire those who self defend

[Liam-]

Yes, Trump supporters do admire people who murder those advocating for racial equality, you’re right

[Tom4784]

Please harness your aggressive posting

It's NOT an illegal weapon and it didn't cross state lines

f a c t

And the patriot is not a ws

F a c t

It is an illegal weapon for reasons I stated and you haven't been able to state otherwise. It's grim to call a double murderer a patriot for killing protesters. This is what happens when you let false narrative radicalise you. You are one to bang on about the 'far left' but here you are justifying the murder of protesters and exalting their murderer by calling him a patriot. The hypocrisy is too much.

[Tom4784]

The American public admire those who self defend

If we go by what you're saying, a school shooter is only defending themselves if someone attempts to apprehend them after they commit a murder. Any ol' mass murderer can just say they were acting in self defense.

The lengths people will allow themselves to plummet to to 'own the libs'. Sad.

[Swan]

A few months old, but still very apt.
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She makes some excellent points.

[Swan]

I honestly think the reason Trump is looking more likely to win the election now is because of all the 'protests'. This so called movement (which has lost it's way now imo) isn't doing Biden and the Democrats any favours at all.

[The Slim Reaper]

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[Oliver_W]

Did the former owner still work there in some capacity? Maybe it's a family business?

[The Slim Reaper]

Did the former owner still work there in some capacity? Maybe it's a family business?

Even if he did, and I don't think he did, do you not see how you're trying to work hard to make this reasonable? He's not the owner now so pretending to be to aid Trump, at the request of the trump campaign, is more than seedy.

[Oliver_W]

Even if he did, and I don't think he did, do you not see how you're trying to work hard to make this reasonable? He's not the owner now so pretending to be to aid Trump, at the request of the trump campaign, is more than seedy.

Where did he pretend the former owner was anything? All I see is Trump standing near a man holding a board :shrug: It's more reasonable to think the man still worked or helped there, than it is to think Trump found out who the previous owner was, called him up, and asked him to come to the scene :joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

does the store owner not realise that it got trashed in the firts place for "political gain"?

:facepalm:

[The Slim Reaper]

Where did he pretend the former owner was anything? All I see is Trump standing near a man holding a board :shrug: It's more reasonable to think the man still worked or helped there, than it is to think Trump found out who the previous owner was, called him up, and asked him to come to the scene :joker:

What? We know Trump asked the previous owner to pretend to be the current owner for a photo op, because the current owner didn't want to be part of a trump charade. Absolutely mental to try and twist that t make it excusable.

[The Slim Reaper]

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[Oliver_W]

What? We know Trump asked the previous owner to pretend to be the current owner for a photo op, because the current owner didn't want to be part of a trump charade. Absolutely mental to try and twist that t make it excusable.

Where did he claim the past owner was the current one?

And of course it's excusable, he can take whatever pictures he wants, within reason :laugh:

[Tom4784]

I honestly think the reason Trump is looking more likely to win the election now is because of all the 'protests'. This so called movement (which has lost it's way now imo) isn't doing Biden and the Democrats any favours at all.

Protesters are being murdered and you're accusing the protests of losing their way? No criticism for the extreme right that are killing them? That are sabotaging the protests and making them out to be riots because the idea of treating black people like equals is akin to white genocide to them?

It's all the democrats fault after all, not the current president of the US or his party that runs the senate, this will be blamed on the challenger, not the president who is currently running the country.

Entitled centrism logic does not exist.

[Tom4784]

Did the former owner still work there in some capacity? Maybe it's a family business?

Lol, you're bending over backwards to defend the kind of **** the right accuses the left of all the time, crisis actors. The real owner didn't want to be involved so they got a stand-in to push a false narrative. If this was Biden you'd be dragging him over the coals so why are you trying to rationalise it for Trump?

[Swan]

Protesters are being murdered and you're accusing the protests of losing their way? No criticism for the extreme right that are killing them? That are sabotaging the protests and making them out to be riots because the idea of treating black people like equals is akin to white genocide to them?

It's all the democrats fault after all, not the current president of the US or his party that runs the senate, this will be blamed on the challenger, not the president who is currently running the country.

Entitled centrism logic does not exist.

Answer me this then, who does it help when these 'protesters' ransack though poor, sometimes predominantly black neighbourhoods destroying buildings belonging to small businesses the locals rely on? Setting fire to cars, and anything else that will burn. Causing nothing but destruction, preventing hard working people earning a living. Making it harder for good honest, people to get from a to b. Chanting 'black lives matter' whilst making life harder for black people (like the video posted for example).

Mainly 'woke' white people, filming every single second, thinking they're making the world a better place for the black lives they care so much for, whilst destroying businesses and neighbourhoods they don't even live in, where they have no real idea of the day to day struggle.

Maybe if they really wanted to help black lives, they could help the poor people in those neighbourhoods eat, help the elderly who can't get around easy, and those with underlying health issues with shopping, and daily needs.

But no, they storm through these neighbourhoods and communities destroying and looting. The locals have to deal with the aftermath, cleaning the mess, claiming on insurance, making it harder and sometimes impossible to make a living, and these 'activists' move onto the next town/city patting each other on the back for 'fighting the power'. This movement has completely lost it's way, of course there are plenty of genuine people trying to make a difference, but stealing a pair of flashing trainers, and burning down small local businesses is just making life harder for people.

[Tom4784]

Answer me this then, who does it help when these 'protesters' ransack though poor, sometimes predominantly black neighbourhoods destroying buildings belonging to small businesses the locals rely on? Setting fire to cars, and anything else that will burn. Causing nothing but destruction, preventing hard working people earning a living. Making it harder for good honest, people to get from a to b. Chanting 'black lives matter' whilst making life harder for black people (like the video posted for example).

Mainly 'woke' white people, filming every single second, thinking they're making the world a better place for the black lives they care so much for, whilst destroying businesses and neighbourhoods they don't even live in, where they have no real idea of the day to day struggle.

Maybe if they really wanted to help black lives, they could help the poor people in those neighbourhoods eat, help the elderly who can't get around easy, and those with underlying health issues with shopping, and daily needs.

But no, they storm through these neighbourhoods and communities destroying and looting. The locals have to deal with the aftermath, cleaning the mess, claiming on insurance, making it harder and sometimes impossible to make a living, and these 'activists' move onto the next town/city patting each other on the back for 'fighting the power'. This movement has completely lost it's way, of course there are plenty of genuine people trying to make a difference, but stealing a pair of flashing trainers, and burning down small local businesses is just making life harder for people.

Ah, so you're ignoring the fact that protests are pretty much always peaceful when the right wing armed militia doesn't turn up to incite violence because acknowledging that completely dismantles your wrong argument that the protests themselves are inherently violent. When you have to ignore reality to make your point work, you've already lost.

[Swan]

Ah, so you're ignoring the fact that protests are pretty much always peaceful when the right wing armed militia doesn't turn up to incite violence because acknowledging that completely dismantles your wrong argument that the protests themselves are inherently violent. When you have to ignore reality to make your point work, you've already lost.

What are your opinions on the video i posted? Or did you not watch?

Do you not think the woman has a point? (regardless of anything else)

[Swan]

Im not angry Dezzy, it's just very frustrating that common sense has gone out the window. Even if every single protest that has turned violent was incited by extreme ring wingers, why would the protesters then react by destroying buildings, cars and other property owned by the people they are 'fighting for'. Why not just fight the person or people provoking them?

Fwiw, im not defending the fact 17 year old kids are allowed to walk the streets 'patrolling' with AK-47's or whatever. Im not getting into that argument because i think everyone involved in that incident acted poorly, and every story seems to be different. It's also little to do with the point im trying to make.

[Tom4784]

Im not angry Dezzy, it's just very frustrating that common sense has gone out the window. Even if every single protest that has turned violent was incited by extreme ring wingers, why would the protesters then react by destroying buildings, cars and other property owned by the people they are 'fighting for'. Why not just fight the person or people provoking them?

Fwiw, im not defending the fact 17 year old kids are allowed to walk the streets 'patrolling' with AK-47's or whatever. Im not getting into that argument because i think everyone involved in that incident acted poorly, and every story seems to be different. It's also little to do with the point im trying to make.

A shooter kills two people and 'everyone acted poorly'? What is the logic in that?

Also, as to your point, the police themselves are saying it's the WS that are sabotaging protests, why do you instantly think that means that the WS provoked an incident and the protesters ran with it? How can you say in one breath they should fight the people provoking them and then, in the next, say how 'everyone acted poorly' when a shooter shot one person and everyone then tried to apprehend him? What exactly are you trying to say here because your point is very conflicted.

The fact that protests basically always go peacefully when there aren't militia's inciting violence should tell you where the blame lies.

[Swan]

A shooter kills two people and 'everyone acted poorly'? What is the logic in that?

Also, as to your point, the police themselves are saying it's the WS that are sabotaging protests, why do you instantly think that means that the WS provoked an incident and the protesters ran with it? How can you say in one breath they should fight the people provoking them and then, in the next, say how 'everyone acted poorly' when a shooter shot one person and everyone then tried to apprehend him? What exactly are you trying to say here because your point is very conflicted.

The fact that protests basically always go peacefully when there aren't militia's inciting violence should tell you where the blame lies.

My point is perfectly clear, why wreck and destroy the property of the innocent, in most cases the people they are fighting for, and say your fighting for them?

Also as for you twisting the argument and ignoring my viewpoint with your 'yeah but', i'll bite (you still haven't acknowledged the woman in the video i posted who is actually spot on) -

The video i watched of that kid shooter was with people running at him at all angles, yeah they probably were trying to disarm him but it was the wrong thing to do, if left he wouldn't have just randomly shot people. Lets not forget his age, he was a 17 year old kid and when people ran at him, kicking him etc he was obviously gonna shoot. Also someone else pulled a gun out, right? He shouldn't have been there in the first place one, two his parents should be ashamed for allowing him to even be there, three America's relation with guns is appalling. He simply shouldn't have been there. But to say everyone but him involved was innocent is completely incorrect, and no, no body deserved to die.

[Glenn.]

My point is perfectly clear, why wreck and destroy the property of the innocent, in most cases the people they are fighting for, and say your fighting for them?

Also as for you twisting the argument and ignoring my viewpoint with your 'yeah but', i'll bite (you still haven't acknowledged the woman in the video i posted who is actually spot on) -

The video i watched of that kid shooter was with people running at him at all angles, yeah they probably were trying to disarm him but it was the wrong thing to do, if left he wouldn't have just randomly shot people. Lets not forget his age, he was a 17 year old kid and when people ran at him, kicking him etc he was obviously gonna shoot. Also someone else pulled a gun out, right? He shouldn't have been there in the first place one, two his parents should be ashamed for allowing him to even be there, three America's relation with guns is appalling. He simply shouldn't have been there. But to say everyone but him involved was innocent is completely incorrect, and no, no body deserved to die.

Hadn’t it just murdered someone?

[Swan]

Hadn’t it just murdered someone?

Yes, so they knew what he was capable of, running at him was completely the wrong thing to do. He was obviously in the wrong, and had no problem pulling the trigger, why would you run at him?

[bots]

Yes, so they knew what he was capable of, running at him was completely the wrong thing to do. He was obviously in the wrong, and had no problem pulling the trigger, why would you run at him?

the same reason that the public ran to disable that attacker at london bridge, concern for your fellow man and stopping a nutter inflicting more damage

[Swan]

the same reason that the public ran to disable that attacker at london bridge, concern for your fellow man and stopping a nutter inflicting more damage

He wasn't randomly shooting, it was completely different. He wouldn't have shot imo if they hadn't run at him.

The best thing to do with any kind of situation like that is to get away/stay away, your intentions might be good but you're endangering yourself and other lives within 'range'. If a group of say 20 people are standing there, and 2 run at a terrorist with a gun, if he starts spraying bullets anyone could be injured/and or killed.

[Glenn.]

He wasn't randomly shooting, it was completely different. He wouldn't have shot imo if they hadn't run at him.

The best thing to do with any kind of situation like that is to get away/stay away, your intentions might be good but you're endangering yourself and other lives within 'range'. If a group of say 20 people are standing there, and 2 run at a terrorist with a gun, if he starts spraying bullets anyone could be injured/and or killed.

He had already randomly shot and killed someone...

[Swan]

He had already randomly shot and killed someone...

Even if that was the case, which hasn't been proven it was random, would it be the best thing to do to run at a terrorist with a gun?

[Glenn.]

Even if that was the case, which hasn't been proven it was random, would it be the best thing to do to run at a terrorist with a gun?

Just let him continue randomly killing people then

[Swan]

Just let him continue randomly killing people then

You have first hand knowledge he would have shot those people had they not run at him?

[Glenn.]

You have first hand knowledge he would have shot those people had they not run at him?

Well he had already killed someone so it’s safe to say he went with one intention

[Swan]

Well he had already killed someone so it’s safe to say he went with one intention

Hence why staying away from him would have been the best option.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It was self defense and hopefully he will get off . He was attacked by a violent extreme left mob. Poor lad was terrified.

[Josy]

Can we stop reporting posts from this thread that arent breaking any rules, in fact it's becoming a bit of a pattern in this section in general

Members are allowed an opinion.

If you dont agree with someone elses opinion on a topic and take offense that they dont share the same views as you then maybe serious debates isnt for you, the clue is kinda in the name.

[Oliver_W]

Ah, so you're ignoring the fact that protests are pretty much always peaceful when the right wing armed militia doesn't turn up to incite violence
Have you any proof of this? I know you posted a link that said some bot twitter accounts were sending out incendiary messages, but that doesn't mean those tweets were acted upon. Have you any actual proof it's right wing people causing the riots, rather than the protesters ... who were already there, high on the fumes of the "race war" rhetoric?

[Swan]

Still think it's a shame no one arguing for the destruction caused by the movement, yet didn't watch the video i posted by someone actually going through, living through this.

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10906156&postcount=137

I am with this woman all the way. Unfortunately my point of view got derailed with 'yeah buts'. But that video really does show how this sort destruction is making lives harder for many black people.

[Oliver_W]

Still think it's a shame no one arguing for the destruction caused by the movement, yet didn't watch the video i posted by someone actually going through, living through this.

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10906156&postcount=137

I am with this woman all the way. Unfortunately my point of view got derailed with 'yeah buts'. But that video really does show how this sort destruction is making lives harder for many black people.

I frankly don't care who is behind the destruction, they're scumbags whether they be left or right :shrug:

[Swan]

I frankly don't care who is behind the destruction, they're scumbags whether they be left or right :shrug:

Yeah agreed, but like in the video, the woman actually has to live in the neighbourhood they're destroying is absolutely spot on. Watch the video, in this case it's the BLM small minority of rioters/looters etc..

The people 'helping' just move on and care little for the lives they're making miserable in their wake!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Smart lady

[Denver]

Can we stop reporting posts from this thread that arent breaking any rules, in fact it's becoming a bit of a pattern in this section in general

Members are allowed an opinion.

If you dont agree with someone elses opinion on a topic and take offense that they dont share the same views as you then maybe serious debates isnt for you, the clue is kinda in the name.

But what do you class as an opinion?

[Swan]

But what do you class as an opinion?

A viewpoint that differs from yours? :shrug:

[Tom4784]

Have you any proof of this? I know you posted a link that said some bot twitter accounts were sending out incendiary messages, but that doesn't mean those tweets were acted upon. Have you any actual proof it's right wing people causing the riots, rather than the protesters ... who were already there, high on the fumes of the "race war" rhetoric?

I posted several links alongside the twitter one that detailed the same story happening in different cities, police confirming white supremacist groups inciting riots to disparage BLM. Basically, pay attention?

[Oliver_W]

he engaged in a politically motivated attack on protesters, you know what another word for that is? Terrorism.

Or to put it another way, he was there to defend property from rioters. Rioters who were apparently white supremacists.

The rioters who were engaging in politically motivated attacks on the city, and do you know what another word for that is?

[Ammi]

...I did watch the vid you posted btw, Swan...I watched it yesterday but was a little tired to post...the lady is a former Aide to the Obama’s and has spoken publicly about a few different things...(...one of them being mental health...)...that’s just a by the by, not relevant to her words here...I mean, I don’t think that looting and rioting and destroying livelihoods can ever be justified but a lot of the comments under the vid are referencing ‘ the movement’, which I presume is BLM ...and the destruction etc, isn’t BLM, it’s not the protesters...sadly though, there will sometimes be rioters and looters who attach themselves to protests like this..also, some comments referred to the lady as being ‘a real patriot’ ...BLM are real patriots as well I would say...they’re patriots who are trying to strive for some kind of equality for their lives....anyways, there have been massive, largely peaceful protests in many states, I believe...and those are being reported widely by those who are seeing the protests themselves/as opposed to some media type reporting....


...anyways, I was reading this yesterday as well and I found it an interesting read, so I’ll just leave it here ...(...or quotes from it and a link to the full article...)...because I think it also plays a part in USA events and frustrations atm, which have many layers to them...

‘Trump has repeatedly refused to condemn the 17-year-old militia member’s behavior, giving a partial and one-sided rendering of the violence that cast it as justifiable self-defense in a Monday night press conference...’...


‘Donald Trump has a very long history of inciting violence. “If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously, OK? Just knock the hell ... I promise you I will pay for the legal fees,” he told his supporters at a 2016 rally...’...

‘But we’re going through an especially tense period in American politics, with a high-stakes election in two months and bouts of street violence in several cities. In such an atmosphere, Trump’s habit of engaging in violent rhetoric goes well beyond playing with fire...’...

‘Judging by his tweets and the programming during the last week’s Republican National Convention, the president appears to genuinely believe that the chaos unfolding on American streets is good for him politically. The more violence there is, the more he can fearmonger about “Democrat-run cities” and “Joe Biden’s America” — distracting from America’s botched response to the Covid-19 virus...’...


...I’ll just leave it there with the quotes because the link is here, but yeah...interesting ....

https://www.vox.com/2020/9/1/21409037/trump-protest-riots-kenosha-violence-incitement


...I mean, there are just so many layers to the ‘long of it all’....but the ‘short of it’...I think is said very perfectly by the very wise and very peaceful Rev. Jesse Jackson...’we deserve better than that, we deserve better...’...equality deserves a law that doesn’t hold down a knee until all life has gone and shoots 7 times in the back, each one a potentially lethal shot...and it deserves justice, when these things happen, obviously...and it also deserves for them to not keep happening again and again and again...etc...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Kyle Rittenhouse breaks silence in 'tweet heard 'round the world,'
lawyer says: 'I'm going to be out of here soon'


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[Denver]

The fact they are all using it to try get fame says it all

[Swan]

...I did watch the vid you posted btw, Swan...I watched it yesterday but was a little tired to post...the lady is a former Aide to the Obama’s and has spoken publicly about a few different things...(...one of them being mental health...)...that’s just a by the by, not relevant to her words here...I mean, I don’t think that looting and rioting and destroying livelihoods can ever be justified but a lot of the comments under the vid are referencing ‘ the movement’, which I presume is BLM ...and the destruction etc, isn’t BLM, it’s not the protesters...sadly though, there will sometimes be rioters and looters who attach themselves to protests like this..also, some comments referred to the lady as being ‘a real patriot’ ...BLM are real patriots as well I would say...they’re patriots who are trying to strive for some kind of equality for their lives....anyways, there have been massive, largely peaceful protests in many states, I believe...and those are being reported widely by those who are seeing the protests themselves/as opposed to some media type reporting....


...anyways, I was reading this yesterday as well and I found it an interesting read, so I’ll just leave it here ...(...or quotes from it and a link to the full article...)...because I think it also plays a part in USA events and frustrations atm, which have many layers to them...

‘Trump has repeatedly refused to condemn the 17-year-old militia member’s behavior, giving a partial and one-sided rendering of the violence that cast it as justifiable self-defense in a Monday night press conference...’...


‘Donald Trump has a very long history of inciting violence. “If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously, OK? Just knock the hell ... I promise you I will pay for the legal fees,” he told his supporters at a 2016 rally...’...

‘But we’re going through an especially tense period in American politics, with a high-stakes election in two months and bouts of street violence in several cities. In such an atmosphere, Trump’s habit of engaging in violent rhetoric goes well beyond playing with fire...’...

‘Judging by his tweets and the programming during the last week’s Republican National Convention, the president appears to genuinely believe that the chaos unfolding on American streets is good for him politically. The more violence there is, the more he can fearmonger about “Democrat-run cities” and “Joe Biden’s America” — distracting from America’s botched response to the Covid-19 virus...’...


...I’ll just leave it there with the quotes because the link is here, but yeah...interesting ....

https://www.vox.com/2020/9/1/21409037/trump-protest-riots-kenosha-violence-incitement


...I mean, there are just so many layers to the ‘long of it all’....but the ‘short of it’...I think is said very perfectly by the very wise and very peaceful Rev. Jesse Jackson...’we deserve better than that, we deserve better...’...equality deserves a law that doesn’t hold down a knee until all life has gone and shoots 7 times in the back, each one a potentially lethal shot...and it deserves justice, when these things happen, obviously...and it also deserves for them to not keep happening again and again and again...etc...

The comments section in any of those kind of videos is best not read/or just ignored. Admittedly i read a hand full of them and you're right about people going overboard. I just felt her passion, it really stood out. I know for a fact a lot of the protests are peaceful, i've never said otherwise. I can also see how extreme right wingers are certainly going to some of these protests to pick a fight and incite violence. On the other side of the coin though some of the extreme left 'protesters' are looking for any excuse to cause destruction and cause unrest. You could, of course, put some of that down to frustration, anger and unjust, but you also need to control those feelings. Some people are letting their emotions get the better of them and not only are they weakening the movement, they're also making lives even worse for people having to clean up their mess and go through racism on a daily basis.

[Alf]

If you didn't know, the trail of this has been going on for the past week. Huge developments yesterday when the survivor testified.

Jack Posobiec has been following and tweeting about this for the past week. Follow him and you'll get to know what's happening. Posobiec is one of the best accounts on twitter if you want to find out what's really happening in America.

[Alf]

179 posts worth in this thread (and that's without the posts that probably got deleted) and nobody even had an opinion on the trail.

[Alf]

Live coverage of the trail.



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[Liam-]

The judge had very clearly made up his mind about how he wanted the trial to go before hand, he allowed the defence to veto all of the black jurors, he’s going to get off because of a biased, prejudice system

[Alf]

Not guilty

[Alf]

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[Liam-]

Completely shameful

[Alf]

The Mayor of New York, is definitely not trying to fan the flames for riots.

Sue this Commie piece of sh1t too Kyle.


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[lewis111]

Interesting that it’s now completely legal to murder those you disagree with in America…

[Denver]

Absolute scumbag who i hope has the worse life imaginable, not only was he on someone else's property illegally carrying a gun before murdering other people its an absolutely shameless result.

But do I expect anything better then a country that made heroes out of cops who murdered an innocent black boy playing in the park?

[Alf]

Absolute scumbag who i hope has the worse life imaginable, not only was he on someone else's property illegally carrying a gun before murdering other people its an absolutely shameless result.

But do I expect anything better then a country that made heroes out of cops who murdered an innocent black boy playing in the park?One of the dead criminals you're in mourning for anally raped a 9 year old boy.

Wheras your anger is towards a 17 year old boy defending himself for his life from a gang of vicious, rioting criminals.

[Oliver_W]

Two things can be true at once - he shouldn't have been there while carrying a gun, and he was defending himself when he shot those people.

Anyone who can listen to the evidence from the trial and think it wasn't self-defence is as stupid as those acting like Rittenhouse is some kind of hero.

[Alf]

Two things can be true at once - he shouldn't have been there while carrying a gun, and he was defending himself when he shot those people.

Anyone who can listen to the evidence from the trial and think it wasn't self-defence is as stupid as those acting like Rittenhouse is some kind of hero.More importantly, the rioters shouldn't have been there in the first place. They attacked Kyle because he put our a fire they started. He works in kenosha and his father lives there. Luckily he was armed or he could be dead.

[arista]

More importantly, the rioters shouldn't have been there in the first place. They attacked Kyle because he put our a fire they started. He works in kenosha and his father lives there. Luckily he was armed or he could be dead.


Very True

The Judge seemed to Like him crying

[arista]

Completely shameful


The Judge warned the other side
to not be Brazen,
that was debated last week on CNN HD.

Debate again today on CNN HD Live at 2PM

[Tom4784]

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[Alf]

The Judge warned the other side
to not be Brazen,
that was debated last week on CNN HD.

Debate again today on CNN HD Live at 2PMThe Judge also banned news network MSNBC after they were caught by police following the jury bus, obviously to try to intimidate the jury. Deep State's gonna deep state!

[Oliver_W]

Absolute scumbag who i hope has the worse life imaginable, not only was he on someone else's property illegally carrying a gun before murdering other people its an absolutely shameless result.

Would he have been less of a scumbag if he let his assailants kill him?

Interesting that it’s now completely legal to murder those you disagree with in America…
It wasn't about "disagreement", he was defending his life.

More importantly, the rioters shouldn't have been there in the first place. They attacked Kyle because he put our a fire they started. He works in kenosha and his father lives there. Luckily he was armed or he could be dead.

Well yeah, obviously they shouldn't have been rioting. If it weren't for all the endless riots, he wouldn't have gone there in the first place.

I wonder how long until the next load of riots will be sparked, as a result of this ... Rittenhouse will probably need to be given a new identity tbh, save him from the lunatics.

[Alf]

Racists can choke.Funny you mention that. Here's a video of one of the criminals this young 17 year old defended himself against, from those riots they were involved in.

What's your take on this?



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[Alf]

Imagine if Sarah Everard had have had a weapon like a legal gun? The roles would be reversed now. She would be living her life and that scum bag would be in her place.

There's pro's and cons for USA's second ammendment, and for me the pro's outweigh the cons. The cons are usually a result of poor education and upbringing. The pro's stop needless, tragic deaths to innocent people that don't deserve to happen.

[bots]

it's america and their concepts on gun control and self defence are completely alien to us here in the uk, so it's impossible for us to understand what went on there. It sounds horrendous, but then lawless rioting is horrendous too

[Oliver_W]

Racists can choke.
I doubt anyone here will disagree with you on that 🙂
Imagine if Sarah Everard had have had a weapon like a legal gun? The roles would be reversed now. She would be living her life and that scum bag would be in her place.

There's pro's and cons for USA's second ammendment, and for me the pro's outweigh the cons. The cons are usually a result of poor education and upbringing. The pro's stop needless, tragic deaths to innocent people that don't deserve to happen.
When it comes to the 2A, I don't quite think we should be on the exact same page as the USA
Moreover, cops are trained to deal with guns, she wouldn't necessarily have the upper hand.

BUT I do think it's ridiculous we can't legally carry non-lethals such as pepperspray or tasers. Self defence should be enabled for the most vulnerable, and all the weapons shouldn't be in the hands of criminals.

[Alf]

I doubt anyone here will disagree with you on that 🙂

When it comes to the 2A, I don't quite think we should be on the exact same page as the USA
Moreover, cops are trained to deal with guns, she wouldn't necessarily have the upper hand.

BUT I do think it's ridiculous we can't legally carry non-lethals such as pepperspray or tasers. Self defence should be enabled for the most vulnerable, and all the weapons shouldn't be in the hands of criminals.I believe I called for that in the thread about Sarah Everard, that probably everybody but certainly females should be able to carry things like pepper spray.

There would be abuses of that law too just like there are of guns in America, but again I think the pro's would outweigh the cons for that to be a deterent.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Good news, justice is done

[Denver]

Imagine if Sarah Everard had have had a weapon like a legal gun? The roles would be reversed now. She would be living her life and that scum bag would be in her place.

There's pro's and cons for USA's second ammendment, and for me the pro's outweigh the cons. The cons are usually a result of poor education and upbringing. The pro's stop needless, tragic deaths to innocent people that don't deserve to happen.

He didn't have a legal gun, he was illegally carrying a gun and purposely went to a completely different state with the intentions to murder

[arista]

He didn't have a legal gun, he was illegally carrying a gun and purposely went to a completely different state with the intentions to murder


But the Judge Excepted
the Gun was used as protection.


Case Closed.


It USA Law, Adam
nothing like our laws

[Alf]

He didn't have a legal gun, he was illegally carrying a gun and purposely went to a completely different state with the intentions to murderHe works in that state and his father lives in that state, so he has very strong connections to that state which he enters on a regular basis. That came out at the trail.

What the MSM told you wasn't the evidence, it was them pushing an agenda to get you to hate. They're still lying about it right now.

[Jordan.]

If nothing he might have learned shooting people isn't the best idea. Perhaps he'll just go back to beating up young girls to make himself feel tough.

[user104658]

There's a difference between morality and legality I think if what everyone needs to remember here. This case is of course HUGELY up for debate in terms of morality, you could philosophize over it for months.

In terms of the US legal system though? These states allow people to carry firearms, and they (often heavily) promote the ideas of full liberty of self/self defense by any means.

Whatever the circumstances, he was at genuine physical risk and he used a firearm to defend himself. Legally, the US allows this. Thus, legally, it's the "correct" result.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Ben fully exposing the left wing media who created this lie and perpetuated it

sickening what they did

until the jury and the court did their duty


nEL-AnkSCgE

[arista]

Live Debate CNN HD
now

[arista]

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[arista]

I can see why the Jury
found him Not Guity.

He was being Hunted Down
they did not care about his Rifle Gun.

They wanted to murder him.


This is the Rage in the USA, right now
it is a Split Nation.


If you can,
Watch Bill Mayer on Monday
on SkyComedyHD
Great Political Debates.

[arista]

If nothing he might have learned shooting people isn't the best idea. Perhaps he'll just go back to beating up young girls to make himself feel tough.


He is not Tough
never will be.
The Gun Rifle saved his life


Jordan
you are a Clever man.
They were hunting him.

The jury understood the truth.

He will need to carry a Pistol
the rest of his life
That is what America is built on.

I have Been In LA, NYC and Houston,
and Toronto and Ottawa in Canada.

America is a Great Place to Visit.
Try and Visit Canada as well.

[user104658]

It's really just that it's complicated, but also not, like I said...

Complicated:

1) He kinda seems like a piece of ****
2) There's no GOOD reason for him to have been there
3) There's no GOOD reason for him to have been armed
4) America's gun laws/gun problems are insane and NO ONE should be walking around armed like this
5) The whole situation shouldn't have been happening and is a political mess

Not so complicated:

6) America's gun situation is what it is and isn't changing any time soon
7) He didn't fire when not at personal risk
8) He would, at the point of firing said gun, almost certainly have been seriously injured or killed if he hadn't used it.


But for the purposes of the trial? Points 1 - 5 don't matter. The jury had to make the decision on points 6, 7 and 8. It was the only outcome that wouldn't have been extremely questionable legally.

The thing people should be angry about, and the thing people should seek to change, is America's gun laws and gun culture. As it has been for ... well, since the US was the US. But that's a question for future incidents and future trials - you can't make up the rules as you go along and THEN say "these are the new rules now". This trial had to be answered based on how things stand today. Not how they "should be".

[bots]

in a lawless situation, americans always revert back to their right to basically protect themselves at all costs. By default, they have the means to do this by shooting people, it's embedded in their constitution.

We just cant view it from that perspective because we just don't have the same culture. Also, i think Biden has made a complete idiot of himself. He knows the law and he knows the judicial system

[arista]

TS

He wanted to Protect shops and windows

Thats why he went there
he was Armed as he knew his life would be in danger.


That is what USA is.

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[Oliver_W]

Arista, defending a racist murderer.

A "racist" "murderer", who only shot
1) white people
2) who were threatening his life?

Given that it happened during a BLM riot, you'd think a racist murderer's kill list would look a little different!

[user104658]

it's embedded in their constitution.

It's imbedded in the very roots of their constitution and the philosophical justification of colonization. Hobbes, Locke, social contract theory that's 300+ years old but carved in stone in the foundations of US law. It's like a coding bug so deep in the code that to fix it, you'd have to write a whole new programme.

[Oliver_W]

in a lawless situation, americans always revert back to their right to basically protect themselves at all costs. By default, they have the means to do this by shooting people, it's embedded in their constitution.
I'm sure Rittenhouse wasn't the only person who needed to defend himself as a result of the riots tbh.

Also, i think Biden has made a complete idiot of himself.
Well. Duh.

[Tom4784]

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[arista]

Arista, defending a racist murderer.


No
just reporting facts/

[Alf]

Oliver, defending a racist murderer.Not guilty! Sunshine.

Get a grip of yourself! You're being silly, be better!

I showed you the racist in the video I posted to you. Video evidence that you can't deny, but you will try too anyway because pride is getting in the way. You need to do what Marcellus Wallace says in Pulp Fiction when he says the line "Fook pride"

Kyle Rittenhouse didn't bring a gun overstate lines, that was his legal gun that was already in that state. He went to the BLM riots to help out medically and wherever he could. He was attacked for putting out a fire that the criminals started.

I could show you lots of cases where none White people also got off prison sentences for self-defence when killing people. It's all out there for everyone to see.

[Oliver_W]

Oliver, defending a racist murderer.

Not defending anyone, just pointing out it was murder but self defense, and there's no evidence he's racist.

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[bots]

the murders weren't racist no matter how many times you say it

[Alf]

Lots of people, defending a racist murderer.So, as he killed a paedo, does that mean that you're defending a paedo? Or are the rules different for you?

[Alf]

the murders weren't racist no matter how many times you say itEverything's racist to Dezzy.

[Oliver_W]

the murders weren't racist no matter how many times you say it
They weren't even murders, it was self defence :joker:

[arista]

Lots of people, defending a racist murderer.


Dezzy you are a Great Poster
could you post a bit more, please

As many other posters
all see this as self defence.


I am only talking about the Court Case
I noticed the other week a Debate
Live on CNN HD
as the Judge got very angry,
telling the other side not to be "Brazen"

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[Oliver_W]

A future mass shooter crosses state lines with an automatic weapon to 'counter protest' a BLM protest and wound up using that gun to kill said protesters.

He didn't cross state lines with the gun, and out of all the rioters, the only ones he shot were the three who threatened his life.

Did you pay any attention to the trial?

[Tom4784]

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[arista]

He went to a protest armed with a gun and he intended to use it. You may try to excuse murder by painting it as self defense, but I do not.



Thats not proven as a Fact.

To Stop others Killing him
Yes.



I assume you wanted him killed?

[Tom4784]

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[Oliver_W]

He went to a protest armed with a gun and he intended to use it. You may try to excuse murder by painting it as self defense, but I do not.

If he didn't have the gun, he himself would have been murdered. Therefore it's self defense.

[arista]

"he wasn't in danger."


But a Kick to your head a few times
can kill you.

Be more Realistic
Dezzy
please

[Jordan.]

If he didn't have the gun, he himself would have been murdered. Therefore it's self defense.

If he didnt have the gun no one would have tried to disarm him and no one would have been killed.

[Oliver_W]

If he didnt have the gun no one would have tried to disarm him and no one would have been killed.

Don't victim-blame him for being attacked during a riot, you wouldn't blame a woman's shirt skirt on her sexual assault.

[Jordan.]

Don't victim-blame him for being attacked during a riot, you wouldn't blame a woman's shirt skirt on her sexual assault.

Bizarre take on two completely different scenarios.

[Alf]

Speaking of trails, Jeffery Epstein's associate's trail starts a week from today.

[Cherie]

Speaking of trails, Jeffery Epstein's associate's trail starts a week from today.

It's a trial Alf, a trail is something you walk on :laugh:

[Alf]

It's a trial Alf, a trail is something you walk on :laugh:I was never the best in English class, I was too busy twagging.

My education came from Only fools and horses.

[Alf]

I do appreciate your pointing it out though Cherie, it makes me determined not to make that mistake again, and that can only be a good thing, I always appreciate being educated when it benifits me.

[Cherie]

I do appreciate your pointing it out though Cherie, it makes me determined not to make that mistake again, and that can only be a good thing, I always appreciate being educated when it benifits me.

I hope you didn't mind, I though it was a typo but you used it a few times

Think Maxines trial will be interesting, where can we follow it?