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Stockport council has come under fire for a ‘misogynistic’ tweet which urged people to treat coronavirus ‘like your mother-in-law’.
The post - which also appeared on Facebook - was intended as a humorous way of getting the message about social distancing across.
It read ‘the trick to social distancing is acting like your mother-in-law’s around every corner!’
But some felt it was badly misjudged - particularly in light of evidence that domestic violence against women has soared during lockdown.
The council has since removed the offending posts and said sorry for 'any upset caused'.
Coun Tom Morrison, who asked for them to be taken down, said it had done ‘nothing to help combat dangerous stereotypes that have spiked over recent months’.
Explaining his failure to see the funny side, he cited a south Manchester domestic violence charity reporting a 160pc increase in calls at the beginning of lockdown, and the UN describing the issue as a global ‘shadow pandemic’.
“This is simply unacceptable, I thought we left these kind of tropes back in the 1970s where they belong," he said.
“Across Stockport council, women are desperately under-represented. Is it any wonder when the council’s own social media team is putting out crass comments like this?
“We need to be doing everything we can to encourage more women to get involved in politics, not lumping stereotypes on them.”
It’s not the first time the town hall has run into trouble with its approach to coronavirus messaging.
Back in April it had to apologise after using the example of the 1986 Challenger disaster - in which seven astronauts died when the space shuttle exploded just seconds after lift off - to drum home a message about listening to expert advice.
Coun Morrison, who is the Lib Dems' shadow cabinet member for Inclusive Neighbourhoods, said he expected better in the future.
He said: “Stockport council needs to get it’s act in gear, retract this post, apologise, and clearly stop hiring Jim Davidson to write their social media content."
A spokesperson for Stockport council said: "The council has taken down the social media posts. We apologise for any upset caused."
user104658
08-09-2020, 07:00 AM
It is misogynistic. Also dumb. Also, I don't even understand what it means!
It is misogynistic. Also dumb. Also, I don't even understand what it means!
...I guess it would mean to distance yourself as you would with your mother in law because of mother in law/type humour...take all precautions etc...
...likening mother in law to COVID-19..?....
James
08-09-2020, 07:06 AM
I didn't understand the message either.
There's an anti-speeding campaign in Scotland called 'Drive like Gran's in the car'.
VMa22eW920E
...sorry I was half asleep this morning, so probably posted a confusing OP...
user104658
08-09-2020, 07:11 AM
I didn't understand the message either.
There's an anti-speeding campaign in Scotland called 'Drive'like Gran's in the car'.
VMa22eW920E"Do you know how fast you were going back there???"
"I had no choice, officer! My gran is an adrenaline junkie!"
Its highlighted the need to social distance so it's all good.
James
08-09-2020, 07:15 AM
...sorry I was half asleep this morning, so probably posted a confusing OP...
I meant not understanding the message behind the campaign, not your post.
I didn't understand the message either.
There's an anti-speeding campaign in Scotland called 'Drive'like Gran's in the car'.
VMa22eW920E
....hmmmm, yeah...but I don’t think it’s a one size fits all/type thing...obviously it’s a generalisation and targeted to female grandparents and not Male/or both...but it’s promoting a ‘balanced speed’, I would say...(...I don’t know if it’s inferring that he’s actually speeding or whether ‘gran’ just isn’t comfortable with his speed...it doesn’t really equate to attaching COVID-19 to a mother in law...imo...
"Do you know how fast you were going back there???"
"I had no choice, officer! My gran is an adrenaline junkie!"
...I think gran maybe just lusts after her pal Derrick...and she’s been stalking him and knows what time exactly he will cross that road...
...shakin’ that ass, shakin’ that ass...:laugh:...
Babayaro.
08-09-2020, 07:19 AM
I don't see the issue. It's clearly said in jest, and hardly the most offensive thing anyone has ever tweeted.
i would judge the message by whether it was successful or not. If it had the required effect ... great, if it didn't then it was inappropriate
I don't see the issue. It's clearly said in jest, and hardly the most offensive thing anyone has ever tweeted.
...they did take it straight down and apologised as well...it’s just really looking at what others thought../...was it felt to be ‘Misogynist’/thoughtless or whatever, you know...
i would judge the message by whether it was successful or not. If it had the required effect ... great, if it didn't then it was inappropriate
...do you mean if it had been particularly noticed that many in that local area weren’t wearing masks ../...not socially distancing etc...and then they were after the ad in a marked way....?...
Cherie
08-09-2020, 07:55 AM
I was thinking about this yesterday as there is a campaign to stop speeding, and it has Dad driving the kids around... when women speed too, you would never think we were in 2020
Marsh.
08-09-2020, 08:29 AM
I can't work out how it's making light of domestic abuse. :think:
Crimson Dynamo
08-09-2020, 08:33 AM
I remember when i was married and a made a Freudian slip. I was having
dinner with my then Mother-in-Law, and I wanted to say, "Could you please
pass the wine?" "But instead I said, "You awful witch, you have completely
ruined my life."
D:
Niamh.
08-09-2020, 08:37 AM
It's out dated sexist ****e so I'm glad they took it down. I know it's supposed to be lighthearted etc and it's not the most offensive thing in the world but it does carry forward stupid stereotypes about women
user104658
08-09-2020, 08:39 AM
i would judge the message by whether it was successful or not. If it had the required effect ... great, if it didn't then it was inappropriate
I'm not sure I agree with the logic in that :joker:. The ends justify the means, essentially?
"Hey everyone, there's a demon worshipper here who says that killing puppies will reduce Covid!"
"Hmmm well if it has that effect then great and fine but if it doesn't decrease cases then it's a bit of a waste of perfectly good puppies isn't it."
Aren't mother-in-law jokes mainly just based on the idea that they have this rose tinted view of their own child in contrast to their partner and that makes them overbearing and impossible to please etc. It can apply just as much to wives as husbands I'd have thought (as in women can also find their mother-in-law very frustrating)
Crimson Dynamo
08-09-2020, 08:52 AM
Aren't mother-in-law jokes mainly just based on the idea that they have this rose tinted view of their own child in contrast to their partner and that makes them overbearing and impossible to please etc. It can apply just as much to wives as husbands I'd have thought (as in women can also find their mother-in-law very frustrating)
and as most comedians were men it was the MIL that was targetted
Marsh.
08-09-2020, 08:53 AM
Yeah I would have thought it stereotyped overbearing mothers as opposed to "women".
smudgie
08-09-2020, 08:53 AM
Over reaction to a bit of tongue in cheek humour I think.
Cherie
08-09-2020, 08:54 AM
I remember when i was married and a made a Freudian slip. I was having
dinner with my then Mother-in-Law, and I wanted to say, "Could you please
pass the wine?" "But instead I said, "You awful witch, you have completely
ruined my life."
D:
:joker:
Liam-
08-09-2020, 08:54 AM
Not misogynistic at all
Cherie
08-09-2020, 08:55 AM
Aren't mother-in-law jokes mainly just based on the idea that they have this rose tinted view of their own child in contrast to their partner and that makes them overbearing and impossible to please etc. It can apply just as much to wives as husbands I'd have thought (as in women can also find their mother-in-law very frustrating)
yes but why not the Father in law :shrug: he could equally think no one is good enough for his Princess
user104658
08-09-2020, 08:59 AM
Not misogynistic at all
It plays into the trope that all mother-in-laws are middle-aged battleaxes who you would obviously want to avoid. Of course it's misogynistic. It could probably be argued that it's very "low level" misogyny but :shrug: the subtle messages are the ones that let the larger ones flourish.
user104658
08-09-2020, 09:00 AM
yes but why not the Father in law :shrug: he could equally think no one is good enough for his Princess
Indeed; if the aim of the joke is what's been said, why not "your in-laws are around the corner".
Niamh.
08-09-2020, 09:01 AM
Yeah I would have thought it stereotyped overbearing mothers as opposed to "women".
Mothers are always women though so it is about women
user104658
08-09-2020, 09:03 AM
Mothers are always women though
Don't open THAT can of worms Niamh! :laugh:
...it could have been ‘father in law’ just easily, but it wasn’t...because there hasn’t really been father in law ‘humour’ in the same way...as in, inferring father in laws are bit monstrous and stereotyping them in such a negative way...it’s not providing any ‘equal, why ‘in law humour at all’...and it’s definitely not progressing in any way by using a ‘humour’ that has become out dated for a reason...
Crimson Dynamo
08-09-2020, 09:07 AM
they should have used "Chugger" instead as that would put the fear of God in most
Liam-
08-09-2020, 09:08 AM
Nah, sorry, ‘everyone hates/is scared of their mother-in-law’ is not demeaning an entire gender
...I mean, one of the very things that ‘father in law humour’ hasn’t been a thing is what should have told them that this was an awful regression...
Nah, sorry, ‘everyone hates/is scared of their mother-in-law’ is not demeaning an entire gender
...it’s stereotyping a ‘role’ as it were, in a negative way because it’s equating it to an horrendous virus...
user104658
08-09-2020, 09:11 AM
Nah, sorry, ‘everyone hates/is scared of their mother-in-law’ is not demeaning an entire gender
Where did you get the impression that targetting the entire gender is a prerequisite of something being misogyny? One of the targetted characteristics of the joke is that it is the female in-law, specifically, thus it's gender-targetted, thus it's misogynistic. Just because it only applies to "mother in laws" and not women in general doesn't make it not misogyny. That's like the claim that Tommy Robinson isn't racist because he has black mates and only says bad things about Muslims. Or saying that someone "isn't homophobic" because they only dislike effeminate gay men and are fine with the blokey ones.
Cherie
08-09-2020, 09:13 AM
Nah, sorry, ‘everyone hates/is scared of their mother-in-law’ is not demeaning an entire gender
Most women become mother in laws ...:idc:
to say everyone hates them is just ridiculous
Marsh.
08-09-2020, 09:15 AM
Mothers are always women though so it is about women
But not all women are mothers. :smug:
And not all mothers are monstrous in-laws.
But not all women are mothers. :smug:
And not all mothers are monstrous in-laws.
....some day you might be a Marsh in-law...
Niamh.
08-09-2020, 09:17 AM
It plays into the trope that all mother-in-laws are middle-aged battleaxes who you would obviously want to avoid. Of course it's misogynistic. It could probably be argued that it's very "low level" misogyny but :shrug: the subtle messages are the ones that let the larger ones flourish.
Yeah exactly, it's another subtle message telling us women over a certain age are worthless, Karen, Mother in Law, cat lady etc etc
Niamh.
08-09-2020, 09:17 AM
Nah, sorry, ‘everyone hates/is scared of their mother-in-law’ is not demeaning an entire gender
Just the ones with children
Marsh.
08-09-2020, 09:18 AM
I can see how some mother-in-law humour can be seen as sexist.
But this is literally "avoid people like you might avoid your mother-in-law". The number of people who actually do that is quite high. :hehe:
Marsh.
08-09-2020, 09:19 AM
....some day you might be a Marsh in-law...
And what a lovely day that will be for you. :smug:
And what a lovely day that will be for you. :smug:
...yeah, we can socially distance and put our masks on of we see you in the distance...:laugh:...
user104658
08-09-2020, 09:21 AM
....some day you might be a Marsh in-law...
And what a lovely day that will be for you. :smug:
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Niamh.
08-09-2020, 09:22 AM
But not all women are mothers. :smug:
And not all mothers are monstrous in-laws.
That sounds like one of those questions on an aptitude test :laugh:
If all mother-in-laws are women and some women are monstrous, which of these statements are true?
A - All Mother-in-Laws are monstrous
B - Some Mother-in-Laws are monstrous
C - No Monsters are mothers
I can see how some mother-in-law humour can be seen as sexist.
But this is literally "avoid people like you might avoid your mother-in-law". The number of people who actually do that is quite high. :hehe:
...so there are many who seem to not like those old immigrants...We could treat coronavirus like those asylum seekers, yeah...
That sounds like one of those questions on an aptitude test :laugh:
If all mother-in-laws are women and some women are monstrous, which of these statements are true?
A - All Mother-in-Laws are monstrous
B - Some Mother-in-Laws are monstrous
C - No Monsters are mothers
...is this a top answer or a pointless one...?...:laugh:...
Cherie
08-09-2020, 09:23 AM
That sounds like one of those questions on an aptitude test :laugh:
If all mother-in-laws are women and some women are monstrous, which of these statements are true?
A - All Mother-in-Laws are monstrous
B - Some Mother-in-Laws are monstrous
C - No Monsters are mothers
:joker:
user104658
08-09-2020, 09:24 AM
That sounds like one of those questions on an aptitude test :laugh:
If all mother-in-laws are women and some women are monstrous, which of these statements are true?
A - All Mother-in-Laws are monstrous
B - Some Mother-in-Laws are monstrous
C - No Monsters are mothers
You can't actually answer that question with the given information Niamh :nono:
Liam-
08-09-2020, 09:25 AM
Well if you all stopped being such good, protective mothers, the ‘scary mother-in-law’ jokes would stop
Niamh.
08-09-2020, 09:25 AM
You can't actually answer that question with the given information Niamh :nono:
You're just not smart enough TS :hee:
arista
08-09-2020, 09:26 AM
I didn't understand the message either.
There's an anti-speeding campaign in Scotland called 'Drive like Gran's in the car'.
VMa22eW920E
Clever Ad.
Granny in the boot.
Well if you all stopped being such good, protective mothers, the ‘scary mother-in-law’ jokes would stop
....hmmmmm, I wonder if any of us do have scary mother in-laws...but it didn’t stop, Liam...Liam, WHY DIDN’T IT STOP...sob...
Clever Ad.
Granny in the boot.
...don’t you start, Arista....
...:laugh:..
Marsh.
08-09-2020, 09:28 AM
That sounds like one of those questions on an aptitude test :laugh:
If all mother-in-laws are women and some women are monstrous, which of these statements are true?
A - All Mother-in-Laws are monstrous
B - Some Mother-in-Laws are monstrous
C - No Monsters are mothers
:joker:
user104658
08-09-2020, 09:28 AM
You're just not smart enough TS :hee:
:oh: I got an A in degree-level formal logic (it's the only 3rd year philosophy module I actually finished :joker: ) and the entire thing is basically these logic puzzles :hehe:. A, B and C in your example are all "unknown" from the given premises :hmph:.
Marsh.
08-09-2020, 09:29 AM
...so there are many who seem to not like those old immigrants...We could treat coronavirus like those asylum seekers, yeah...
Now LISTEN!
user104658
08-09-2020, 09:30 AM
...so there are many who seem to not like those old immigrants...We could treat coronavirus like those asylum seekers, yeah...
I'm pretty sure they tried that in the spring :joker:.
Now LISTEN!
...now listen ‘ere you../...am not ‘avin it..:laugh:...
Niamh.
08-09-2020, 09:31 AM
:oh: I got an A in degree-level formal logic (it's the only 3rd year philosophy module I actually finished :joker: ) and the entire thing is basically these logic puzzles :hehe:. A, B and C in your example are all "unknown" from the given premises :hmph:.
The answer is clearly C just because :idc:
I'm pretty sure they tried that in the spring :joker:.
...yeah actually...maybes that was a bad analogy...Spring was a bit of a COVID blur tbh...
Niamh.
08-09-2020, 09:33 AM
....hmmmmm, I wonder if any of us do have scary mother in-laws...but it didn’t stop, Liam...Liam, WHY DIDN’T IT STOP...sob...
I don't have a Mother in Law she died when Gav was a teenager but my sister in law is amazing (as is my father in law) :love:
...TS...smarter than a 10yr old but not nearly as smart as Niamh...
I don't have a Mother in Law she died when Gav was a teenager but my sister in law is amazing (as is my father in law) :love:
....awwwww...:lovedup:...they stepped into her shoes as well to be all 3 things to you...
user104658
08-09-2020, 09:35 AM
The answer is clearly C just because :idc:
NO it is secret answer D) The question is meaningless as women do not exist.
You haven't been paying attention in class :nono:
Niamh.
08-09-2020, 09:37 AM
NO it is secret answer D) The question is meaningless as women do not exist.
You haven't been paying attention in class :nono:
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Marsh.
08-09-2020, 09:41 AM
I don't have a Mother in Law she died when Gav was a teenager but my sister in law is amazing (as is my father in law) :love:
That means you are destined to be the monster-in-law. :o
Niamh.
08-09-2020, 09:42 AM
That means you are destined to be the monster-in-law. :omfg:
:oh:
My mother in law had a tongue like a lizard at Christmas kisses time.
user104658
08-09-2020, 10:30 AM
Christmas kisses time.
Is this a thing? I'm glad I've never encountered it.
Jessica.
08-09-2020, 11:41 AM
I don't think it's mysoginistic but it's rude. My MIL is lovely and it's a toxic stereotype that they're all awful.
Marsh.
08-09-2020, 12:40 PM
:oh:
No, no it's good. It means you get to fight with Jennifer Lopez on her wedding day and drink vodka all day. :amazed:
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The Slim Reaper
08-09-2020, 12:44 PM
Niamh sending infractions through the post to her childrens betrothed.
Reason: Side eyeing me at the dinner table.
user104658
08-09-2020, 01:31 PM
Niamh sending infractions through the post to her childrens betrothed.
Reason: Side eyeing me at the dinner table.
"How come her hubby only got a 24 hour ban for kicking the dog, but my wife got a week-long ban for rolling her eyes??"
Niamh: "It's an automatic system, she had several previous infractions for similar eye-rolling over the last month."
...Niamh is innocent...:love:....or was that Happy Days, Niamh might be guilty...
...it’s all Marsh’s fault, it always is...
The Slim Reaper
08-09-2020, 01:43 PM
"How come her hubby only got a 24 hour ban for kicking the dog, but my wife got a week-long ban for rolling her eyes??"
Niamh: "It's an automatic system, she had several previous infractions for similar eye-rolling over the last month."
We don't allow infractions to be discussed at family gatherings, so stick to the topic.
Niamh.
08-09-2020, 01:45 PM
Anyone for Dessert?
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Marsh.
08-09-2020, 06:01 PM
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:joker:
GoldHeart
08-09-2020, 06:21 PM
It's an old silly joke , there's far more offensive stuff out there .
Are people forgetting back in the old BB days the famous frosty reunion with Jackie Stalone and Brigette Nielsen. And I think Stalone herself made out "daughter in law and mother in law's don't like eachother" .
Obviously it's ridiculous to generalise but it's like a cliché joke .
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