BGT receives thousands of Ofcom complains for BLM performance

[Elliot]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8714239/Britains-Got-Talent-Ofcom-complaints-soar-7-581-Diversitys-routine.html

Britain isn’t a racist country haha

[UserSince2005]

I’d complain about how sweaty he is. Compounding negative stereotypes about us black people.

[Marsh.]

What the hell is there to complain about? :umm2:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Disgusting to see Marxism celebrated for likes
nihilism

Vile

[Liam-]

What the hell is there to complain about? :umm2:

Black people doing something

[Marsh.]

Black people doing something

:omgno:

[arista]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8714239/Britains-Got-Talent-Ofcom-complaints-soar-7-581-Diversitys-routine.html

Britain isn’t a racist country haha


Yes its Wrong to back an Extremist Group.

[Swan]

We aren't the US, as much as some would like to think!

[Marsh.]

The US being a worse example does not mean the UK is fine as much as some would like to think!

[bots]

people watch a show like BGT for entertainment, not to be lectured to

[Smithy]

Britain’s Got Racists

[Ammi]

...so BLM movement and their supporters, ‘do it the wrong way’...is often the thing said...so they do it another way and that’s ‘the wrong way also..’...so maybe another way, would be the thing...and another, and another etc...until there is a right time and place found to support equality...


...Diversity...:lovedup:...supporting equality for all and providing amazing dance art...

[Ammi]

The US being a worse example does not mean the UK is fine as much as some would like to think!

...also, because of the vast size of the USA, in comparison...and its gun laws etc...it can never be used as a benchmark, I feel...it’s more comparing a pea or something to a huge several course meal...

[Cherie]

Powerful performance, not sure it was the right show to perform it due to the adult theme, but I think they would have known that, so the cynic in me feels it was done for publicity for the show

[AnnieK]

So, no-one complained about the kids singing about climate change and saving the planet but a black dance group gets thousands of complaints dancing about equality? Both are causes that some people feel passionate about but only the race cause brings complaints. :shrug:

[Kizzy]

people watch a show like BGT for entertainment, not to be lectured to

The choreographer quoted ' My truth, my platform, my art'

NOT 'My lecture'...It's sickening how artists of any kind are expected to rein in any personal self expression for fear of appearing to have an opinion on anything.
And even more sickening that it's suggested that anything remotely thought provoking is unwelcome on a chewing gum fir the brain show like BGT.

[Ammi]

...wasn’t taking a knee in sporting events a ‘wrong time and place’ as well...was there ever a right time of approval to support equality....

[Cherie]

...wasn’t taking a knee in sporting events a ‘wrong time and place’ as well...was there ever a right time of approval to support equality....

It’s a bit easier to explain take the knee to a 5 year old than the there is a possibility the police will kill you

[Ammi]

...people watch BGT for different reasons as well, I think...entertainment is obviously a main thing for some but there are also many wow moments ...when performers show their talent in a very powerful way....all art forms have always had that blend of expression through their talent...personally I always prefer for an art/talent to have meaning, rather than ...’we dance because we dance because we are gifted dancers, etc...’...the meaning is what so lifts a performance into its ‘powerful’...


Incredible body painting act stuns the Britain’s Got Talent Judges...


An incredible visual artist used their Britain's Got Talent audition for a powerful message this week.

Simon described the act as "stunning" and said it was "the most original act we've seen this year."

https://tellymix.co.uk/reality-tv/britains-got-talent/444000-incredible-body-painting-act-stuns-the-britains-got-talent-judges.html

[bots]

The choreographer quoted ' My truth, my platform, my art'

NOT 'My lecture'...It's sickening how artists of any kind are expected to rein in any personal self expression for fear of appearing to have an opinion on anything.
And even more sickening that it's suggested that anything remotely thought provoking is unwelcome on a chewing gum fir the brain show like BGT.

The simple fact is people complained to ofcom, and they did so because they objected to the content. People can politicise things to the extent of the law, but you can't force people either to like it or to watch it. People will make their opinions clear, and in this case, they have

[Ammi]

...I wonder what the percentage of the Ofcom not happy people, with the overall viewing figures...please forgive me/I feel dirty, but I did sneak a peak at the DM comments section...only for a few seconds though because I stopped at the first comment...

‘They are hardly diverse are they when every member is the same colour‘....

..I mean, I would have laughed out loud if it wasn’t so unfunny and dumb as dumb as dumb...

[Ammi]

...if that was in any way representative of an Ofcom complain person.../...then it all makes sense now../... all becomes clear...

[bots]

...if that was in any way representative of an Ofcom complain person.../...then it all makes sense now../... all becomes clear...

people can't be forced into liking something they watch, and while that DM comment is laughable, it's not wrong either. Diversity isn't singular

[UserSince2005]

Britain’s Got Racists

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duh duh duh, duh duh duh duh dUH,
DUH, DUH, DUH, DUH,
DUH! DUH!
DUH!

[Ammi]

people can't be forced into liking something they watch, and while that DM comment is laughable, it's not wrong either. Diversity isn't singular

...equality isn’t singular, bots...but sadly it all too often appears to be...

[user104658]

people watch a show like BGT for entertainment, not to be lectured to

While I disagree that it was "a lecture" - I actually can appreciate that Saturday Night Telly isn't the best place for political activism. I'm a (huge) believer in the importance of escapism/entertainment immersion and I can fully appreciate why people wouldn't want their "intellectual down-time" (which is all Saturday night reality trash really can be) suddenly infused with the same political statements they hear elsewhere. It's not that it CAN'T be part of it but it's about expectation, I suppose. e.g. in terms of movies - there are many amazing movies with strong political messages that I love. There are also many "popcorn" movies that I see to zone out, and it can be pretty jarring to have overt political statements slipped into popcorn movies. BGT is absolutely a "popcorn movie".

So, no-one complained about the kids singing about climate change and saving the planet but a black dance group gets thousands of complaints dancing about equality? Both are causes that some people feel passionate about but only the race cause brings complaints. :shrug:

However I can also see Annie's point here - there is a double standard if people are fine with some political soapboxing but draw a line at another variety. IMO the blurred lines are always going to be too complicated for a show like this, and BGT should stick to being purely light entertainment, but if they ARE ok with some campaigning then they have to be OK with all campaigning.

[Tom4784]

Racists with subhuman intelligence getting mad over a dance on a talent show? And they are often the ones that accuse others of being snowflakes.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Jim takes down Diversity and talks about the performance. starts at 1.24

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[Liam-]

One day black people will be able to do something meaningful without being told they’re doing it the wrong way or that it’s ‘not the right time or place’ and I can’t wait

[user104658]

Jim takes down Diversity and talks about the performance. starts at 1.24

yd1_gJKxUfA

I don't think Jim Davidson doing a puffy-red-faced racist rant on YouTube is going to win you any arguments LT.

[user104658]

One day black people will be able to do something meaningful without being told they’re doing it the wrong way or that it’s ‘not the right time or place’ and I can’t wait

Has anyone ever done anything meaningful on BGT though?

[Kizzy]

The simple fact is people complained to ofcom, and they did so because they objected to the content. People can politicise things to the extent of the law, but you can't force people either to like it or to watch it. People will make their opinions clear, and in this case, they have

How can you object to how someone expresses a feeling through interpretive dance?.!

If you don't like it don't watch it ..switch off.

[Jake.]

Jim takes down Diversity and talks about the performance. starts at 1.24

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Sounds about white

[Kizzy]

Ugh Saturday nights trash gammon tv... that's what people want on a saturday night? That guy was right, the revolution will not be televised :/

[Livia]

He had the freedom to take that piece of Americana on TV at peak time, people have the freedom to complain if they didn't like it.

[The Slim Reaper]

So, no-one complained about the kids singing about climate change and saving the planet but a black dance group gets thousands of complaints dancing about equality? Both are causes that some people feel passionate about but only the race cause brings complaints. :shrug:

Bang on right.

I'm pretty sure that loads of songs written about political issues have been karaoke-murdered by wannabe's on saturday evening TV, without any issues.

[Livia]

Has anyone ever done anything meaningful on BGT though?

Question of the thread.

[Crimson Dynamo]

How can you object to how someone expresses a feeling through interpretive dance?.!

If you don't like it don't watch it ..switch off.

I think people do not want to sit at home with their children and watch a depiction of a man dying or glorifying a worrying marxist group who want to defund the police

(Last year in the US, 1,536 people were killed by police. In the UK, three people were killed.)

Britain's got Talent

[Rob!]

I think people do not want to sit at home with their children and watch a depiction of a man dying or glorifying a worrying marxist group who want to defund the police

(Last year in the US, 1,536 people were killed by police. In the UK, three people were killed.)

Britain's got Talent

Ironically the spacial difference between you and the point is about the distance between the UK and the US.

[Ammi]

One day black people will be able to do something meaningful without being told they’re doing it the wrong way or that it’s ‘not the right time or place’ and I can’t wait

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[Kizzy]

He had the freedom to take that piece of Americana on TV at peak time, people have the freedom to complain if they didn't like it.

Americana... Are all reactions to crimes to be contained in the countries they happen in then?

You dont have to like it, but what grounds would you have to make a formal complaint about it?

[Liam-]

Has anyone ever done anything meaningful on BGT though?

What has that got to do with anything I said?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Id imagine Simon was raging.

His own show promoting the end of Capitalism and closing all prisons and letting criminals and roam free

:umm2:

[Kizzy]

I think people do not want to sit at home with their children and watch a depiction of a man dying or glorifying a worrying marxist group who want to defund the police

(Last year in the US, 1,536 people were killed by police. In the UK, three people were killed.)

Britain's got Talent

Like I said if you don't like it switch off. It's fascistic to attempt to censor art. The producers of BGT had no issue with it and fair play to them for that.

Look at music over the years, there have been many protest songs written that were happily played on TOTP, if you didn't agree or weren't interested you'd switch off not complain it was aired at all :/

Look at all these snowflakes against freedom of expression, it's like Brexit never happened! We are free to do what we want now, so there.

[Ammi]

...George Floyd had freedoms as well ...but I guess that the power of a performance that expressed ...No, enough please...was overridden by...no, not on our watch, please...express that life taken in your own time and not on our entertainment watch...how much more can we really take of this...?...messing with BGT for goodness sake...

[Kizzy]

Has anyone ever done anything meaningful on BGT though?

They have now... and look at the meltdown, what?... Why are you trying to make me think!? It's Saturday night ffs!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Like I said if you don't like it switch off. It's fascistic to attempt to censor art. The producers of BGT had no issue with it and fair play to them for that.

Look at music over the years, there have been many protest songs written that were happily played on TOTP, if you didn't agree or weren't interested you'd switch off not complain it was aired at all :/

Look at all these snowflakes against freedom of expression, it's like Brexit never happened! We are free to do what we want now, so there.

Id imagine they ones who complained did switch it off and go and make a complaint?

isnt that the point?

[Smithy]

duh duh duh, duh duh duh duh duh,
duh duh duh, duh duh duh duh dUH,
DUH, DUH, DUH, DUH,
DUH! DUH!
DUH!

:joker:

Isn’t that X factor

[Kizzy]

Id imagine they ones who complained did switch it off and go and make a complaint?

isnt that the point?

Why complain though? For every complainant there will have been 1000s who thought it was amazing...I did.

Why attempt to stop things you don't like?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why complain though? For every complainant there will have been 1000s who thought it was amazing...I did.

Why attempt to stop things you don't like?

You would have to address that question directly to someone who made a complaint

[Liam-]

Why complain though? For every complainant there will have been 1000s who thought it was amazing...I did.

Why attempt to stop things you don't like?

Because right wingers are the biggest hypocrites when it comes to snowflakery ‘cancel culture’

[user104658]

...George Floyd had freedoms as well ...but I guess that the power of a performance that expressed ...No, enough please...was overridden by...no, not on our watch, please...express that life taken in your own time and not on our entertainment watch...how much more can we really take of this...?...messing with BGT for goodness sake...

They have now... and look at the meltdown, what?... Why are you trying to make me think!? It's Saturday night ffs!

I will preface this by saying I don't watch BGT. I think it's pretty much the worst brand of trash, and I actually *like* a lot of trash TV.

However, in general... I'm totally unapologetic in saying that, yes, people need headspace and escapism sometimes. It is healthy or even essential to be able to "switch off" sometimes if you don't want to end up hopping off down the depression/anxiety rabbit hole and I don't think anyone should feel bad for insisting that - as vitally important as many issues are - it's not a case at all of meaningful issues vs frivolous entertainment with the entertainment "obviously" always coming second to current social issues and politics. The balance is important, we're all bombarded with hard-hitting politics all week long and... yeah... if people want to eat some fish fingers and waffles, switch off their brains and watch dumb Saturday night telly without it too being full of political messages then I will fully defend their right to do just that.

Like I said originally I'm aware that there may well be a double standard going on, with people not being bothered about other political messages and suddenly kicking off over this, and that's another discussion BUT on the basic premise of people having the right to NOT always want to engage with politics 24/7, and in fact access to "simple escapism" being an essential aspect of good mental health.

[Ammi]

....hmmmm, I’m not really why you’re quoting my post there, TS...or what you’re unapologetic for...I honestly don’t know what your post is referring to in relation to any other post tbh...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Because right wingers are the biggest hypocrites when it comes to snowflakery ‘cancel culture’

Most of the people who complained were labour voters

[user104658]

....hmmmm, I’m not really why you’re quoting my post there, TS...or what you’re unapologetic for...I honestly don’t know what your post is referring to in relation to any other post tbh...The idea that it's "petty" for people to complain about global political events being brought "into their entertainment time", as though the importance of the latter pales in comparison to the former.

The idea that "simple entertainment time isn't that important" because people should always be ready and willing to listen to political voices "about important things" is a very quick route to poor mental health, generalised anxiety and (ultimately) no one having the mental resources or energy to do anything about anything.

[Oliver_W]

So, no-one complained about the kids singing about climate change and saving the planet but a black dance group gets thousands of complaints dancing about equality? Both are causes that some people feel passionate about but only the race cause brings complaints. :shrug:

To make it a closer comparison, I'd be interested to see if people would complain about a dance which showed people choking to death in a smoke-filled wasteland to make an environmental point.

Anyway, if people are gonna get on their soapbox about foreign affairs, I wonder why people aren't talking about the concentration camps in China? FGS a world war was started 80ish years ago because of people acting like China are now...

[Rob!]

Most of the people who complained were labour voters

And you know that how? :laugh2:

[Tom4784]

I reject the whole 'people need an escape' angle tbh. It's complete white privilege to want a 'break' from hearing about racism. Black people don't get a break, they have to live it. Black people in America have to deal with the fact that they can be shot to death while sleeping in bed, or playing a game with their nephew in their own Living Room or being shot by an officer who has wandered into their apartment and killed them because the officer was in the wrong department. The UK is not so innocent when it comes to brutality either.

If people get tired of hearing about racism and inequality in general, they should probably appreciate the fact that it doesn't affect them and the 'worst' they have to deal with is simply hearing and acknowledging that such inequality exists.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Because right wingers are the biggest hypocrites when it comes to snowflakery ‘cancel culture’

And you know that how? :laugh2:

.....

[Oliver_W]

Black people in America have to deal with the fact that they can be shot to death while sleeping in bed

If you're referring to Breonna Taylor, there's some misinformatino there.

Obvious she shouldn't have been killed -being part of a drug ring (https://eu.courier-journal.com/story/news/2020/05/12/breonna-taylor-louisville-emt-not-main-target-drug-investigation/3115928001/)doesn't carry the death sentence- it seems she was in her hallway (https://www.nytimes.com/article/breonna-taylor-police.html)at the time. Not that that makes it any better.

[Tom4784]

If you're referring to Breonna Taylor, there's some misinformatino there.

Obvious she shouldn't have been killed -being part of a drug ring (https://eu.courier-journal.com/story/news/2020/05/12/breonna-taylor-louisville-emt-not-main-target-drug-investigation/3115928001/)doesn't carry the death sentence- it seems she was in her hallway (https://www.nytimes.com/article/breonna-taylor-police.html)at the time. Not that that makes it any better.

Kind of irrelevant, as is the drug ring thing since it stinks of attempting to justify her death as her being in the wrong.

They were in bed, and they got out because of the police and then she was shot to death.

[Cherie]

Its probably people with young kids who were just sat down to have a nice evening and then had to field a barrage of questions, nobody knows why people complain, people complain about alot of things,(ask the mods :hehe:) its not really up to us to judge

[Rob!]

.....

......?

[Kizzy]

I will preface this by saying I don't watch BGT. I think it's pretty much the worst brand of trash, and I actually *like* a lot of trash TV.

However, in general... I'm totally unapologetic in saying that, yes, people need headspace and escapism sometimes. It is healthy or even essential to be able to "switch off" sometimes if you don't want to end up hopping off down the depression/anxiety rabbit hole and I don't think anyone should feel bad for insisting that - as vitally important as many issues are - it's not a case at all of meaningful issues vs frivolous entertainment with the entertainment "obviously" always coming second to current social issues and politics. The balance is important, we're all bombarded with hard-hitting politics all week long and... yeah... if people want to eat some fish fingers and waffles, switch off their brains and watch dumb Saturday night telly without it too being full of political messages then I will fully defend their right to do just that.

Like I said originally I'm aware that there may well be a double standard going on, with people not being bothered about other political messages and suddenly kicking off over this, and that's another discussion BUT on the basic premise of people having the right to NOT always want to engage with politics 24/7, and in fact access to "simple escapism" being an essential aspect of good mental health.

Tosh... nobody is 'bombarded' with anything we aren't tied to a chair and forced to watch thing's. We have a choice to consume as much or as little as we want.
Personally I think that the contemporary issues of the day do at times spill over into 'light' entertainment. .. during such a pivotal moment in history it's almost inevitable.

You can sit there with your eyes shut and your fingers in your ears if you want, thankfully the majority of people support the arts and their contribution to societal mood.

I will fully defend an artists right to express their strength of feeling and a broacasters right to air it.
If we don't see these issues from different angles and perspectives that's when it will affect mental health.

[Kizzy]

The idea that it's "petty" for people to complain about global political events being brought "into their entertainment time", as though the importance of the latter pales in comparison to the former.

The idea that "simple entertainment time isn't that important" because people should always be ready and willing to listen to political voices "about important things" is a very quick route to poor mental health, generalised anxiety and (ultimately) no one having the mental resources or energy to do anything about anything.
How do you cope when you watch soap operas? That's classed as 'entertainment' too..When there's a particularly harrowing storyline do you book yourself in for counselling?

[Ammi]

‘I think that the contemporary issues of the day do at times spill over into 'light' entertainment‘...as spoken by Kizzy...



...I think that the thing with that as well...is that obviously it’s know with all involved in the show...that there might be a ‘risk’ involved in alienating some viewers as they understand the controversy/opposing views etc of BLM, you know...so they’ve risk assessed and felt the performance was something they wanted on their show and worth the risk because it’s so important and such a powerful way to convey...?...it was all obviously previewed or pre approved as it were...and the final vote was...yes, you’re through, we want this on our light entertainment show...

[bots]

the reason that ofcom exists it to give people a vehicle to comment if there is something they don't like on the TV. What i find staggering is that people who supposedly want equality want to undermine that vital service and basically force their opinions upon others

[joeysteele]

So, no-one complained about the kids singing about climate change and saving the planet but a black dance group gets thousands of complaints dancing about equality? Both are causes that some people feel passionate about but only the race cause brings complaints. :shrug:


Absolutely.

I saw nothing to complain about.
Other issues have been presented on BGT in the past.

Dance is entertainment.
It's also an expression of history, the present and the future..
With themes across the board.

The complaints, I would possibly expect to be from those who would be against this expression like this anywhere.
Or in any other way too.
From their own inner prejudices.

Honestly if I was to complain about all I found unacceptable or offensive to my thinking on TV..
I'd never be doing much else.

I saw nothing to complain about, this is just more about the worrying intolerance growing.
Ridiculous.

[Elliot]

the reason that ofcom exists it to give people a vehicle to comment if there is something they don't like on the TV. What i find staggering is that people who supposedly want equality want to undermine that vital service and basically force their opinions upon others

There’s a REALLY big difference between saying ‘it’s stupid that people are complaining’ and ‘people shouldn’t be allowed to complain, ofcom shouldn’t exist’

[Crimson Dynamo]

the reason that ofcom exists it to give people a vehicle to comment if there is something they don't like on the TV. What i find staggering is that people who supposedly want equality want to undermine that vital service and basically force their opinions upon others

Exactly

and endorsing a worrying marxist extreme "movement" that want to shut UK prisons and destroy capitalism

so end all jobs in the UK and let all paedophiles out in the street

on a family show is so so wrong

its actually staggering

[Cherie]

the reason that ofcom exists it to give people a vehicle to comment if there is something they don't like on the TV. What i find staggering is that people who supposedly want equality want to undermine that vital service and basically force their opinions upon others

That’s a tolerant society for you :laugh:

[Tom4784]

the reason that ofcom exists it to give people a vehicle to comment if there is something they don't like on the TV. What i find staggering is that people who supposedly want equality want to undermine that vital service and basically force their opinions upon others

Ofcom exists to make sure that TV shows abide by regulations, it is not a points of view organisation. You can't complain to Ofcom just because you don't like what you're seeing, it has to breach regulations for the complaint to be anything other than hot air.

You're basically spreading misinformation to have a pop at people you dislike and your comparison is both silly and illogical because of it. Don't try to force a square to fit into a circular hole. Also, no one is saying you can't complain, we are simply expressing our own rights to our opinions on the matter. Freedom of speech works both ways, BOTS.

[Denver]

Only racists complained

[Morgan.]

This thread stinks of privilege

[Crimson Dynamo]

Broadcast complaints | Ofcom

If you are concerned about something you have heard or seen in a radio or TV programme and you would like to make a complaint, please use this form.

We consider every complaint we receive from viewers and listeners. Often, we investigate further. Sometimes, we find broadcasters in breach of our rules.

https://ofcomforms.secure.force.com/formentry/SitesFormCSLEStandardsComplaints

[Denver]

If your concerned about Black dancers doing a dance for Black equality then you need to check yourself

[Crimson Dynamo]

Diversity's BLM performance on Britain's Got Talent second most complained about TV moment of decade

By late on Wednesday, the total had climbed to 7,581 and by Thursday afternoon it had risen to 10,267.

This number puts it only behind Roxanne Pallett's 'punch' allegation against Ryan Thomas on Celebrity Big Brother as the most complained about TV moment from the past decade.

The Roxanne scandal attracted 25,327 complaints while Kim Woodburn and Coleen Nolan's infamous spat on Loose Women had 7,912.

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/tv/diversity-bgt-performance-ofcom-complaints-18912835

The GBP know what is what

and what is not



:clap1:

[Jordan.]

Britain’s Got Racists

.

[Liam-]

Only racists complained

Facts

[Kizzy]

the reason that ofcom exists it to give people a vehicle to comment if there is something they don't like on the TV. What i find staggering is that people who supposedly want equality want to undermine that vital service and basically force their opinions upon others
Wrong... ofcom is a government approved body that serves to ensure programming reflects it's audience, in effect someone could complain if they didn't think that an issue was being addressed that needed to be.
It's not there just because someone didn't 'like' something.

Nobody is looking to undermine ofcom far from it, I believe the people who complained have abused ofcom and are totally confused as to its regulatory function.

[Crimson Dynamo]

This was sent to Ashby Banjo

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/09/11/00/33032006-8720545-image-a-72_1599780920288.jpg

[Ammi]

...we don’t support equality for you, we just want you to dance for us..not your expression of dance but ours.../...beyond grim...

[joeysteele]

Wrong... ofcom is a government approved body that serves to ensure programming reflects it's audience, in effect someone could complain if they didn't think that an issue was being addressed that needed to be.
It's not there just because someone didn't 'like' something.

Nobody is looking to undermine ofcom far from it, I believe the people who complained have abused ofcom and are totally confused as to its regulatory function.

The saddest thing is Kizzy that some people possibly only watch TV to complain against anything they personally may not agree with.

I mean, re ofcom, I never understood why they entertained complaints about BB for instance.
We were warned about the content of the programme as to sexual nature, offensive language etc; before every showing.
The complaints should have been dismissed.

Perhaps BGT ought to have mentioned what the dance routine by Diversity was to include.
Really though, it was a dance routine.

Good grief, there'll be those complaining next at the segment in 'The King and I' film.
Of a King who had slaves being drowned in a dance/ playhouse presentation.

I think there's times, ofcom needs to advise adequate warnings of content were in place.
So complaints are understood but not validated.
Then advise all programmers to announce any possible content that may be deemed possibly of concern to others.

In relation to the millions who watch BGT, a few thousand complaints are what transpires.

Of course anyone should have the right to complain, however that doesn't mean others time needs to be wasted on what I'd suspect is possible routinely maybe even possibly professional complaining.

[Kizzy]

This was sent to Ashby Banjo

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/09/11/00/33032006-8720545-image-a-72_1599780920288.jpg

Well thanks for that LT it's a prime example of the level of ignorance, arrogance and privilege these men have to deal with constantly. It must be soul destroying to have to filter through comments that read like this every day.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Linda was disappointed :(

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/09/11/01/32836018-8720545-image-a-144_1599785260033.jpg

so was Terry

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/09/06/13/32836460-8702849-image-a-7_1599396053598.jpg

[Ammi]

Well thanks for that LT it's a prime example of the level of ignorance, arrogance and privilege these men have to deal with constantly. It must be soul destroying to have to filter through comments that read like this every day.

...Kizzy expresses it so much more perfectly than I can...

[Swan]

This was sent to Ashby Banjo

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/09/11/00/33032006-8720545-image-a-72_1599780920288.jpg

How many millions watched? And 10,000 complained. Say 10 million watched that's 0.01% of the viewership. 0.01% of 10 million does not represent the Great British Public!

[Crimson Dynamo]

SImon has been quiet so far?

[bots]

SImon has been quiet so far?

yes, he isn't backing any side

[Jack_]

If you complain to Ofcom about something you watched on television, you are a loser. A pathetic Karen that should step away from the TV. It was the same when people used to do it for Big Brother and it’s the same now

Only difference this time is, you’re most likely a racist too

[Cherie]

SImon has been quiet so far?

yes, he isn't backing any side

Head down, delighted with the publicity

[Dogeatdog]

I’ve just watched the performance and I thought it was great, you could tell the performance meant a lot to them and I thought it was very well choreographed and very inspiring. I don’t know what the complaints are all about, if you don’t like it then simply switch the channel over for 5 or so mins is it really that hard to do?

[joeysteele]

If you complain to Ofcom about something you watched on television, you are a loser. A pathetic Karen that should step away from the TV. It was the same when people used to do it for Big Brother and it’s the same now

Only difference this time is, you’re most likely a racist too


Good to get a chance to see you post again Jack_

I again agree.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think calling 10000 people you have never met losers/karens/racists is not such a good thing

Did we not have thread after thread about Meghan Markle where the basis of the argument was "you have never met this women so how can you judge her/hate on her"?

:/

[The Slim Reaper]

I think calling 10000 people you have never met losers/karens/racists is not such a good thing

Did we not have thread after thread about Meghan Markle where the basis of the argument was "you have never met this women so how can you judge her/hate on her"?

:/

Ridiculous comparison. No one is saying they know the innermost feelings and motives of every single person, including their friends (as happens in the MM threads). I think people are saying that there is a certain kind of person, with a certain kind of racial and political leanings that would be offended by BLM.

You should argue for the protests and explain why, if that's where you're coming from.

[user104658]

If you complain to Ofcom about something you watched on television, you are a loser. A pathetic Karen that should step away from the TV. It was the same when people used to do it for Big Brother and it’s the same now

Only difference this time is, you’re most likely a racist too

Hmm. I don't disagree with that to be honest; I don't think anyone "has to" watch anything the don't like the content of but unless it's actually horrendously inappropriate *cough*Cuties*cough* then the answer is to stop watching the show you don't like... not to report it to Ofcom. It is pathetic. If enough BGT fans start disliking the content, then it'll tank like the other Cowell shows, it doesn't need external regulation.

..........the unironic use of the "Karen" slur, though. You can do better than that, surely. Come on. We've entered 2020(b) now, we don't need sad misogynistic 2020(a) memes tagging along with us. It's been a long year, we're having a half-time.

[arista]

If you complain to Ofcom about something you watched on television, you are a loser. A pathetic Karen that should step away from the TV. It was the same when people used to do it for Big Brother and it’s the same now

Only difference this time is, you’re most likely a racist too


No Slick Jack

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[Oliver_W]

Karen and Gammon is just bringing phrenology back tbh

[Rob!]

Genuinely absolutely disgusted at those numbers.

[Tom4784]

Anyone complaining to Ofcom about a TV show for saying black lives matter are racists tbh. It reminds me of something that happened yesterday, an NFL game I believe in which, in lieu of kneeling in protest while the the anthem was sung, athletes engaged in a moment of silence after the the Anthem ended and yet still a loud stadiumwide chorus of boos opposed that silence.

People can say it's not the right platform or not the right way but that's just code for saying 'I don't want to see it' and they'll oppose it no matter what form it takes as long as it's something they are watching. Racism and white privilege.

[Swan]

Genuinely absolutely disgusted at those numbers.

It's a minuscule percentage of the people actually watching, i know it's not really point, but it's important to remember that that small number doesn't represent the general feeling of the GBP.

[Tom4784]

Hmm. I don't disagree with that to be honest; I don't think anyone "has to" watch anything the don't like the content of but unless it's actually horrendously inappropriate *cough*Cuties*cough* then the answer is to stop watching the show you don't like... not to report it to Ofcom. It is pathetic. If enough BGT fans start disliking the content, then it'll tank like the other Cowell shows, it doesn't need external regulation.

..........the unironic use of the "Karen" slur, though. You can do better than that, surely. Come on. We've entered 2020(b) now, we don't need sad misogynistic 2020(a) memes tagging along with us. It's been a long year, we're having a half-time.

Karen goes beyond gender tbh, anyone can be a Karen. I've encountered far more men in my life that are pure Karens then I have women.

[user104658]

..the Netflix movie, ‘Cuties’ has no place in this thread, none whatsoever...

It's a thread about Ofcom complaints... although I suppose you're right as Netflix isn't covered by Ofcom. I was using it as a counter-example of something that is outright inappropriate and thus valid to complain about, as opposed to this which is not a valid target for "official complaints".

[Crimson Dynamo]

This scandal could put the Christmas BGT in doubt

[user104658]

Karen goes beyond gender tbh, anyone can be a Karen. I've encountered far more men in my life that are pure Karens then I have women.

As have I and I agree in sentiment, but at this point the term is used too frequently by misogynistic people to make misogynistic statements aimed at women for it to get "a pass". Not really trying to start a debate on it, I just think it's a term that could do with being left behind.

[Tom4784]

It's a minuscule percentage of the people actually watching, i know it's not really point, but it's important to remember that that small number doesn't represent the general feeling of the GBP.

It represents the people so enraged that they want to make their voices heard but I think a lot of people who aren't so angered to action would agree with the complaints. I know of a lot of people who find BLM tiresome and don't care about it which is a very privileged position to take.

[Oliver_W]

It represents the people so enraged that they want to make their voices heard but I think a lot of people who aren't so angered to action would agree with the complaints. I know of a lot of people who find BLM tiresome and don't care about it which is a very privileged position to take.

There's nothing privileged about disliking riots and destruction. If BLM's protests looked more like ones by Extinction Rebellion, people would have a lot more sympathy for them.

Escalating protests into riots is basically pissing on the graves of the dead they were protesting for.

[Crimson Dynamo]

as is promoting closing all UK prisons (with no plan what to next) defunding our police and getting rid of the NHS and all business in the UK

People are complaining about this terrifying secret organisation and its advert by a misguided dance troup looking for likes

[Tom4784]

There's nothing privileged about disliking riots and destruction. If BLM's protests looked more like ones by Extinction Rebellion, people would have a lot more sympathy for them.

Escalating protests into riots is basically pissing on the graves of the dead they were protesting for.

Look to the NFL example I mentioned earlier, racists will oppose any and all forms of protests as long as they are made to witness it. They want black people to be neither seen nor heard.

If you honestly think people oppose the protests because of the destruction wrought by Right Wing infiltrators then you're not paying attention. They'll find a reason to oppose any kind of action that could lead to the problems being sorted.

[Swan]

It represents the people so enraged that they want to make their voices heard but I think a lot of people who aren't so angered to action would agree with the complaints. I know of a lot of people who find BLM tiresome and don't care about it which is a very privileged position to take.

Well you can think that, doesn't mean it's true. Im just saying that over 99% of people didn't complain thus not representing the general GBP. Im just trying to look at the bigger picture.

[Oliver_W]

Look to the NFL example I mentioned earlier, racists will oppose any and all forms of protests as long as they are made to witness it. They want black people to be neither seen nor heard.

If you honestly think people oppose the protests because of the destruction wrought by Right Wing infiltrators then you're not paying attention. They'll find a reason to oppose any kind of action that could lead to the problems being sorted.

Firstly there's no proof that all the riots were triggered by the right wing.

Second, any form of protest which associates itself with the BLM movement taints itself by their more extreme actions,

[Tom4784]

Well you can think that, doesn't mean it's true. Im just saying that over 99% of people didn't complain thus not representing the general GBP. Im just trying to look at the bigger picture.

But just because people didn't lodge an official complaint doesn't mean that they disagree or agree with the complaints. You can't make a judgement either way.

I can only say from personal experience that I think a lot of people would have agreed with complaints but they probably wouldn't have officially complained beyond posting about it on Facebook.

[Tom4784]

Firstly there's no proof that all the riots were triggered by the right wing.

Second, any form of protest which associates itself with the BLM movement taints itself by their more extreme actions,

Cast your mind back to a while ago in that thread when I literally provided you with about 5 or 6 articles in which the police of entirely separate states and jurisdictions all announced that riots in their respective areas were started by Right Wingers and white supremacists. You saw that post and you responded to it so all this post is is wilful ignorance for the sake of presenting BLM in a way that benefits your own agenda.

[Oliver_W]

Cast your mind back to a while ago in that thread when I literally provided you with about 5 or 6 articles in which the police of entirely separate states and jurisdictions all announced that riots in their respective areas were started by Right Wingers and white supremacists. You saw that post and you responded to it so all this post is is wilful ignorance for the sake of presenting BLM in a way that benefits your own agenda.

That doesn't mean every single riot was sparked by them.

Do you still have the links? I can't remember what thread they were in.

[Tom4784]

That doesn't mean every single riot was sparked by them.

Do you still have the links? I can't remember what thread they were in.

But it's enough to see a pattern, and no, you'll have to do your own research. I'm not bending over backwards again to have you just dismiss stuff you don't want to acknowledge.

[Swan]

But just because people didn't lodge an official complaint doesn't mean that they disagree or agree with the complaints. You can't make a judgement either way.

I can only say from personal experience that I think a lot of people would have agreed with complaints but they probably wouldn't have officially complained beyond posting about it on Facebook.

I guess it depends where you live/the people you know (the royal you). Where i live and the people i know, it's not been an issue. For example, i asked my mum if she watched, she said 'yes', i said 'have you heard about some people complaining', she said 'no, why did they complain' - which imo was the correct response.

I feel the same way, i don't see why anyone would complain, everyone should be allowed to express themselves (which i guess on the other side of the 'argument' you could say 'well people should also be allowed to voice their concerns', but that's a can of worms i do not wish to open).

[Crimson Dynamo]

...With Ofcom still deciding whether to investigate the complaints, the furore looks set to rage on. As it does, it will be up to ITV to consider whether “BGT Does BLM” was a risk worth taking. It isn’t unthinkable that the broadcaster will conclude the opposite – that the performance has ultimately done more harm than good.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/0/itvs-diversity-disaster-black-lives-matter-gatecrashed-britains/

[Elliot]

..........the unironic use of the "Karen" slur, though. You can do better than that, surely. Come on. We've entered 2020(b) now, we don't need sad misogynistic 2020(a) memes tagging along with us. It's been a long year, we're having a half-time.

I don’t think it’s fair to rebrand Karen as a slur.. the way I understand the phase is it’s used to call out and ascribe a certain type of entitled ‘I wish to speak to the manager’ mindset. The Karen subreddit is devoted to more extreme versions of this that mostly extend to anti vaxxers, anti maskers, racists, people who are extremely abusive to customer service and staff, and most of the most upvoted posts are men exhibiting this sort of behaviour..

For example I think this is a great example of ‘Karens’ going out of their way to complain about people speaking out against racism.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I don’t think it’s fair to rebrand Karen as a slur.. the way I understand the phase is it’s used to call out and ascribe a certain type of entitled ‘I wish to speak to the manager’ mindset. The Karen subreddit is devoted to more extreme versions of this that mostly extend to anti vaxxers, anti maskers, racists, people who are extremely abusive to customer service and staff, and most of the most upvoted posts are men exhibiting this sort of behaviour..

For example I think this is a great example of ‘Karens’ going out of their way to complain about people speaking out against racism.

The individual complaints and what they are as they have not been published - i dont think they ever are

All we know is that a number of people have contacted offcom

id imagine they cover a wide range of subjects about the ill-judged performance

[bots]

...With Ofcom still deciding whether to investigate the complaints, the furore looks set to rage on. As it does, it will be up to ITV to consider whether “BGT Does BLM” was a risk worth taking. It isn’t unthinkable that the broadcaster will conclude the opposite – that the performance has ultimately done more harm than good.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/0/itvs-diversity-disaster-black-lives-matter-gatecrashed-britains/

itv will only care if their viewer figures go down as a result or advertisers jump ship and I would think both are highly unlikely, Ofcom won't do anything ... that's a given

[Crimson Dynamo]

itv will only care if their viewer figures go down as a result or advertisers jump ship and I would think both are highly unlikely, Ofcom won't do anything ... that's a given

Agreed but i cant see this dance act getting many bookings going forward

[Tom4784]

A dance performance on BGT can do no 'harm'. If a bunch of snowflakey racists get upset over black people dancing for equality then they should probably find a way to travel back in time a few decades and move to Southern America, I'm sure they'd love living under Jim Crow rules.

[arista]

[Alesha Dixon tells critics of Diversity's divisive
Black Lives Matter routine to 'kiss my black ass']



[The hit ITV show's Ofcom complaints have soared
again to 15,500 following the dance troupe's
divisive routine
On Monday the figure stood at 1,121 with
grievances rising throughout the week]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8723025/Britains-Got-Talent-Ofcom-complaints-soar-15-500-Alesha-Dixon-hits-critics.html

[Kizzy]

It's a shame there's not a similar body that you can contact to show support for shows that have been referred to ofcom for balance.

[Cherie]

itv will only care if their viewer figures go down as a result or advertisers jump ship and I would think both are highly unlikely, Ofcom won't do anything ... that's a given

Viewing tonight will be massive as everyone will tune in to see how the issue is addressed, I can’t imagine it will be ignored

[Rob!]

Also, I'm fairly sure most complaining didn't even watch.

Only just over a thousand complained a day or two after the show. It has rocketed since then in a way even COVID isn't spreading...

[Tom4784]

Also, I'm fairly sure most complaining didn't even watch.

Only just over a thousand complained a day or two after the show. It has rocketed since then in a way even COVID isn't spreading...

It reminds me a lot of the Jonathan Ross/Russell Brand situation from years ago. Few people cared until the media stirred it up into a furor but I think this time, the furor can be less attributed to the press and more to social media, it wouldn't surprise me if it's right wingers telling each other to complain to cause a stink.

[Vanessa]

I really enjoyed it.
It was a performance to reflect the current times, not just black lives matter.

[arista]

1304902763537670144


Alesha
make your bloody mind UP

[Elliot]

It’ll be absolutely embarrassing if they apologise

[Cherie]

I think it’s done with now, it would have happened last night if they were going to

[Morgan.]

Also, I'm fairly sure most complaining didn't even watch.

Only just over a thousand complained a day or two after the show. It has rocketed since then in a way even COVID isn't spreading...

There’s a campaign on twitter to make it the most complained about moment ever, so you’re probably right :skull:

[Morgan.]

I think it’s done with now, it would have happened last night if they were going to

Last nights show was filmed before the first episode aired. I think they had 3 ready to go before the lives began

[Cherie]

Last nights show was filmed before the first episode aired. I think they had 3 ready to go before the lives began

Oh okay I thought they were live :worry:

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Oliver_W]

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Yup, more celebs should find a way to support the obvious notion of black lives mattering without supporting such a violent and hateful movement.

[Nicky91]

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imagine destroying a family entertainment show because of the current too PC world

[Denver]

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Nobody is listening to a racist twitter account unless they are racist themselves

[Denver]

Its actually disgusting how White people think they have the right to tell a race they can't fight for equality and then try to call them all terrorists

[Oliver_W]

Its actually disgusting how White people think they have the right to tell a race they can't fight for equality and then try to call them all terrorists

Do you think there's a way to "fight for equality" without wishing death on innocent cops?

[Nicky91]

Its actually disgusting how White people think they have the right to tell a race they can't fight for equality and then try to call them all terrorists

no need to call all of them terrorists, just those 3 founders of BLM

no need to go attacking innocent cops who do a good job, no need of shooting them either

[Oliver_W]

With some elements of BLM, there's not really another word but terrorist, unless someone else knows what we should call people who use violence and fear in pursuit of political aims?

Not that the importance of any lives is a political thing, virtually no-one would argue with black lives mattering.

[Nicky91]

With some elements of BLM, there's not really another word but terrorist, unless someone else knows what we should call people who use violence and fear in pursuit of political aims?

Not that the importance of any lives is a political thing, virtually no-one would argue with black lives mattering.

#AllLivesMatter

if we get rid of racism in general, no more who is more important in the world, then we can make a better more equal world

[Denver]

Do you think there's a way to "fight for equality" without wishing death on innocent cops?

Maybe if q black boy wasn't murdered for playing in a park or a woman wasn't murdered in her bed or thousands of other black people wasnt killed by the police then the black race would have more faith but aslong as you supply the police with military grade weapons and tell them to kill they will but now is the time to defend the police and take away all weapons

[Denver]

and All Lives Matter is a Racist Slogan just like Blue Lives Matter and Whote Lives matter and were only made to mock black people

[Oliver_W]

Maybe if q black boy wasn't murdered for playing in a park or a woman wasn't murdered in her bed or thousands of other black people wasnt killed by the police then the black race would have more faith but aslong as you supply the police with military grade weapons and tell them to kill they will but now is the time to defend the police and take away all weapons
If you're gonna climb up on your soapbox at least get it right, she wasn't murdered in her bed.

That doesn't make her death okay, obviously, but still.

Blaming all cops for things like that is like blaming all black people for the crimes of a few.

[Nicky91]

and All Lives Matter is a Racist Slogan just like Blue Lives Matter and Whote Lives matter and were only made to mock black people

All = Everyone



Black Lives Matter or Blue Lives Matter or White Lives Matter, meaning one specific individual group, then ur more like thinking one of those is superior over the other people in the world


lesser ego's, more equality

no more racism to feed one's ego, more equality

if we do that, we get a better world

[Denver]

How can all lives matter if black lives don't

[Denver]

Also its funny how you say we shouldn't blame all cops for being bad but have the white race called all Muslims terrorists for decades?

[Oliver_W]

Also its funny how you say we shouldn't blame all cops for being bad but have the white race called all Muslims terrorists for decades?

Not all of the "white race", only some idiots.

[Denver]

Yea itbyou call the majority of the British public idiots yes

[Oliver_W]

Yea itbyou call the majority of the British public idiots yes
When has the majority of Brits called muslims terrorists?

[Tom4784]

If you're gonna climb up on your soapbox at least get it right, she wasn't murdered in her bed.

That doesn't make her death okay, obviously, but still.

Blaming all cops for things like that is like blaming all black people for the crimes of a few.

We covered this before, she got out of bed because the police were breaking unannounced into her home. Whether she was in bed or not is inconsequential, she would have been asleep were it not for the murderers invading her home.

The whole 'few bad apples' thing when it comes to police officers is a crock of ****. It's not just a 'few bad apples' it's the whole system around them that protects them. It doesn't matter if it's only certain officers taking part in brutality if the rest go above and beyond to protect them.

You are also determined to paint BLM in a certain light despite being shown multiple times that the violence at the protest in multiple places unfold in the same way, White supremacy groups and individuals have sabotaged protests across America and various police forces in charge have said the same thing. One or two similar incidents is a coincidence, but a string of identical incidents is a pattern. Trying to compare sabotaged protests to a police system that protects officers that murder is not a comparison that works.

[Oliver_W]

You are also determined to paint BLM in a certain light despite being shown multiple times that the violence at the protest in multiple places unfold in the same way, White supremacy groups and individuals have sabotaged protests across America and various police forces in charge have said the same thing.
I've only been "shown" once and I can't find the post, you keep claiming it though.

I googled "BLM riots right wing" and all that came up was clashes between BLM and right wing folks.

To claim that every BLM riot was triggered by bad actors from the other side is just bonkers tbh

[Crimson Dynamo]

I've only been "shown" once and I can't find the post, you keep claiming it though.

I googled "BLM riots right wing" and all that came up was clashes between BLM and right wing folks.

To claim that every BLM riot was triggered by bad actors from the other side is just bonkers tbh

A lot of the antifa thugs have now been prosecuted and processed and i did a new thread with some in it. One guy trying ton torch a hotel by setting fire to a gas pipe. Just horrible people who think they are so right that they are above the law

horrible extreme left thugs plain and simple

[Oliver_W]

A lot of the antifa thugs have now been prosecuted and processed and i did a new thread with some in it. One guy trying ton torch a hotel by setting fire to a gas pipe. Just horrible people who think they are so right that they are above the law

horrible extreme left thugs plain and simple

There are horrible extreme people on both sides tbh. I don't identify with the left or the right so I don't really care who is behind the riots.

I'd even say that they don't even deserve to be called left wing. When it comes down to it, street-level communists and fascists are virtually the same anyway. The only real difference is the people they let themselves get duped by. #Horseshoe

(edited to make more sense)

[Nicky91]

There are horrible extreme people on both sides tbh. I don't identify with the left or the right so I don't really care who is behind the riots.

I'd even say that they don't even deserve to be called left wing. When it comes down to it, street-level communists and fascists are virtually the same anyway. The only real difference is the people they let themselves get duped by. #Horseshoe

(edited to make more sense)

correct, you got extremists on both left and right

which is why i am gonna be more in the middle i guess

[Tom4784]

I've only been "shown" once and I can't find the post, you keep claiming it though.

I googled "BLM riots right wing" and all that came up was clashes between BLM and right wing folks.

To claim that every BLM riot was triggered by bad actors from the other side is just bonkers tbh

You were shown it and you did what you are doing now, you downplayed it because it didn't fit with your agenda.

Since you're being exceptionally lazy in your efforts to do your own research in an attempt to discredit me, here's a few stories. I look forward to you yet again doing the most to minimise and pretend that these stories didn't happen.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/george-floyd-protests-antifa-twitter-white-supremacists-far-right-racist-a9544276.html

https://bipartisanreport.com/2020/07/27/nazis-caught-dressing-as-blm-protestors-to-instigate-riots/

https://heavy.com/news/2020/05/gov-walz-organized-groups-now-using-protests-to-break-the-back-of-civil-society/

https: //www.wsls.com/news/virginia/2020/07/27/police-richmond-riots-instigated-by-white-supremacists-disguised-as-black-lives-matter/

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/san-antonio/news/2020/08/04/white-supremacists-arrested-in-weatherford

https://www.inquirer.com/news/white-supremacist-extremists-reopen-rallies-black-lives-matter-protests-20200613.html

https://www.insider.com/minneapolis-umbrella-man-white-supremacist-riot-police-say-2020-7

There, a quick google search and I have a bunch of stories for you to swiftly ignore. Don't expect people to do your own research for you, in future.

The pattern is clear, in every major instance of violence during the protests so far, there's been White supremacists trying to stir up trouble which is evidenced by the fact that, after that teenage white supremacist killed those two people and had the entirety of the Right Wing defending his right to murder those he disagrees with, the protests on the following nights were peaceful because the white supremacists didn't show up.

[Swan]

The pattern is clear, in every major instance of violence during the protests so far, there's been White supremacists trying to stir up trouble which is evidenced by the fact that, after that teenage white supremacist killed those two people and had the entirety of the Right Wing defending his right to murder those he disagrees with, the protests on the following nights were peaceful because the white supremacists didn't show up.

What about all the looting and destruction? Is that everyone else's fault too?

zpNx_xoh6Iw

[Crimson Dynamo]

the first link is about 3 guys putting up some stickers


and they make people loot and burn cars and buildings?


lol i dont think so

[Oliver_W]

You were shown it and you did what you are doing now, you downplayed it because it didn't fit with your agenda.

Since you're being exceptionally lazy in your efforts to do your own research in an attempt to discredit me, here's a few stories. I look forward to you yet again doing the most to minimise and pretend that these stories didn't happen.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/george-floyd-protests-antifa-twitter-white-supremacists-far-right-racist-a9544276.html

https://bipartisanreport.com/2020/07/27/nazis-caught-dressing-as-blm-protestors-to-instigate-riots/

https://heavy.com/news/2020/05/gov-walz-organized-groups-now-using-protests-to-break-the-back-of-civil-society/

https: //www.wsls.com/news/virginia/2020/07/27/police-richmond-riots-instigated-by-white-supremacists-disguised-as-black-lives-matter/

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/san-antonio/news/2020/08/04/white-supremacists-arrested-in-weatherford

https://www.inquirer.com/news/white-supremacist-extremists-reopen-rallies-black-lives-matter-protests-20200613.html

https://www.insider.com/minneapolis-umbrella-man-white-supremacist-riot-police-say-2020-7

There, a quick google search and I have a bunch of stories for you to swiftly ignore. Don't expect people to do your own research for you, in future.

The pattern is clear, in every major instance of violence during the protests so far, there's been White supremacists trying to stir up trouble which is evidenced by the fact that, after that teenage white supremacist killed those two people and had the entirety of the Right Wing defending his right to murder those he disagrees with, the protests on the following nights were peaceful because the white supremacists didn't show up.

So some people were posting stupid tweets, handing out fliers, and putting stickers up?

One of the sources used in the article with a misplaced apostrphe in the heading said this:
"We have identified some individuals who have been seen with the Boogaloo boys and some Antifa groups around the area," Richmond Police Chief Gerald Smith said during a news conference Sunday afternoon. "The majority of those individuals who were there last night were Caucasian."

Smith also said that he believed some in the crowd were Antifa-influenced.

To think either side is without fault in the riots is naive, to say the least.

[Denver]

Antifa doesn't exist as an organisation and is used by a president trying to stoke a race war with his white supremacist groups who he continues to favour and protect

[Oliver_W]

Antifa doesn't exist as an organisation and is used by a president trying to stoke a race war with his white supremacist groups who he continues to favour and protect

Okay Whopee Goldberg :joker:

They might not be a singular organisation, but there are certainly cells of people who call themselves Antifa, and act under that banner.

[Liam-]

Antifa doesn't exist as an organisation and is used by a president trying to stoke a race war with his white supremacist groups who he continues to favour and protect

Correct, both election cycles Trump needed a boogeyman to scare his sheep with, last time it was Mexicans, this time it’s an incisively organisation that doesn’t exist, it’s so predictable and transparent

[Crimson Dynamo]

who is talking about President Trump?

The thread is about BGT

Trump did not make Diversity make a career ending decision

[Oliver_W]

If Trump was going to make up a bogeyman as a reason to vote for him, he wouldn't call it Anti-Fascist :joker: even he's not that insane.

Like I said they're not one large group but lots of little ones under one banner. The BBC did a little thing about them, which is fairly balanced

What are they opposed to?
Neo-Nazis, Neo-fascism, white supremacists and racism, and these days the movement that encapsulates some of those ideas: the alt-right.

We spoke to secret Antifa groups in Oregon. They said they come from a variety of political backgrounds but they were united in their opposition to fascism, and they have an anti-government streak. They said they see creeping authoritarianism in the current American administration that they are looking to build "a movement that really insulates us from the policies of Donald Trump".

"It's not just resisting the federal administration but also resisting moves that can lead to fascism," one member told us, "and those happen locally whether from local officials or from local alt-right movements."

What tactics do they use?
Antifa look to disrupt alt-right events and far-right speakers. They use a variety of tactics to do this – including shouting and chanting and forming human chains to block off right-wing demonstrators. Some are unapologetic about their online tactics, which include monitoring the far right on social media. They also release personal information about their opponents online, commonly known as "doxxing" – they’ve gotten some alt-right supporters fired from their jobs after identifying them online.

Antifa groups also use more traditional forms of community organising like rallies and protest marches. The most extreme factions will carry weapons like pepper spray, knives, bricks and chains – and they don’t rule out violence.

How violent are they?
Their willingness to use violence marks out Antifa from many other left-wing activists, although the Antifa members we spoke to said they denounce the use of weapons and violent direct action. They said if violence does occur, it’s as a form of self-defence. They also make historical arguments to justify their position. For instance, they ask, what if opponents of the German Nazi Party had been more forceful in their opposition in the 1930s, could World War Two and the Holocaust have been averted?

Antifa have been directly and sometimes physically confronting the far right on the streets and, in some cases, they have been successful in postponing, cutting short or cancelling rallies and speeches up and down America.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/X56rQkDgd0qqB7R68t6t7C/seven-things-you-need-to-know-about-antifa

[Liam-]

So antifa isn’t an organisation then, it’s a mindset, shouldn’t everyone be antifa?

[The Slim Reaper]

Remember when all the gallahads were moaning about free speech? Shows it was never really about speech for everyone, it was about their freedom to be openly racist.

[Nicky91]

who is talking about President Trump?

The thread is about BGT

Trump did not make Diversity make a career ending decision

Trump supports racists though

[Liam-]

Remember when all the gallahads were moaning abut free speech? Shows it was never really about speech for everyone, it was about their freedom to be openly racist.

Pretty much

[Crimson Dynamo]

I wonder if the complaints have now beaten Roxanne Pallet?

[Oliver_W]

So antifa isn’t an organisation then, it’s a mindset, shouldn’t everyone be antifa?

Depends if that includes using violence and rioting in the streets? You can think that black lives matter and be anti-fascist without aligning with the groups who use those names.

[The Slim Reaper]

Depends if that includes using violence and rioting in the streets? You can think that black lives matter and be anti-fascist without aligning with the groups who use those names.

This wave of antifa as bogeyman has cropped up in response to the fact that open white supremacy is on the march and rise again. The crowds now known as antifa didn't suddenly wake up one morning and decided to protest nothing for no reason, and yet the reason they even exist is being completely and intentionally glossed over and ignored.

[user104658]

Depends if that includes using violence and rioting in the streets? You can think that black lives matter and be anti-fascist without aligning with the groups who use those names.I do think this is part of the problem recently, more of the "we think"/"we believe" group identity nonsense... You can't broadly agree with the BLM message and their goals or anti-fascist ideology whilst also disagreeing with their methods, tactics and some of the rhetoric. If you do, it's often seen as "undermining", or "secretly" being against it and just pretending, or that you "might as well just say you hate X/Y/Z and be done with it".

Not very often on here, I would add, but certainly in the social media cacophony around these issues.

"UMM Well if you don't support [X] action or approach then you don't actually support [Y] message at all!!!1!1!"

[Oliver_W]

This wave of antifa as bogeyman has cropped up in response to the fact that open white supremacy is on the march and rise again. The crowds now known as antifa didn't suddenly wake up one morning and decided to protest nothing for no reason, and yet the reason they even exist is being completely and intentionally glossed over and ignored.

If people who call themselves white supremacists want to go on little marches, then good - they'll expose themselves to the world, and crap on their chances of finding work and probably ruin their social lives. Better to give people a chance to make their own beds. It's not like they're gonna change any minds or win people over.

But if their marches turn violent, then crack down on 'em.

[The Slim Reaper]

If people who call themselves white supremacists want to go on little marches, then good - they'll expose themselves to the world, and crap on their chances of finding work and probably ruin their social lives. Better to give people a chance to make their own beds. It's not like they're gonna change any minds or win people over.

But if their marches turn violent, then crack down on 'em.

The problem is that they weren't just going on 5 man marches, They were going on massively funded protests. They would be openly chanting and singing racist songs about Jews and others. The movement is on the rise, so dismissing it and criticising the people arguing or marching against it, is more than a little out of place. See the difference in the way you talk about antifa and the way you talk about the far right. One of those things only came back to combat what the other group was doing, and you have a problem with the wrong ones.

[Oliver_W]

The problem is that they weren't just going on 5 man marches, They were going on massively funded protests. They would be openly chanting and singing racist songs about Jews and others. The movement is on the rise, so dismissing it and criticising the people arguing or marching against it, is more than a little out of place. See the difference in the way you talk about antifa and the way you talk about the far right. One of those things only came back to combat what the other group was doing, and you have a problem with the wrong ones.

The problem are the ones who use violence. If the white supremacists use violence, they become the problem. Likewise with BLM/Antifa marches.

If they're massively funded, that money is going down the drain because no-one would look at those yobbos and think they're worth listening to.

[user104658]

This wave of antifa as bogeyman has cropped up in response to the fact that open white supremacy is on the march and rise again. The crowds now known as antifa didn't suddenly wake up one morning and decided to protest nothing for no reason, and yet the reason they even exist is being completely and intentionally glossed over and ignored.The reason any extreme exists is because of a game of ideological table tennis that has been going on... Forever... Although the Internet has served as a catalyst to put things into a gear that was never possible before now. I think it's only reasonable to appreciate that extreme right wing ideologies are more active and dangerous than any other, primarily because those ideologies are the ones that have tendrils that worm into pretty much every system of power and thus they are the ones with the real control, but in terms of tactics and methodology humans are humans and the ways they clump together, organise and propagate are always going to have similarities.

[The Slim Reaper]

The problem is that they weren't just going on 5 man marches, They were going on massively funded protests. They would be openly chanting and singing racist songs about Jews and others. The movement is on the rise, so dismissing it and criticising the people arguing or marching against it, is more than a little out of place. See the difference in the way you talk about antifa and the way you talk about the far right. One of those things only came back to combat what the other group was doing, and you have a problem with the wrong ones.

Take Charlottesville - a counter protester was murdered when a dude drove at ridiculous speed into a crows, and another guy was firing shots into a crowd.

The president came out and said there were good people on both sides.

[Liam-]

So racists marching with torches chanting racially abusive chants about Jews aren’t a problem?

[Oliver_W]

So racists marching with torches chanting racially abusive chants about Jews aren’t a problem?

Record them and get their faces, share it around. And if they escalate their marches, release the cops. It might well be a problem, but it's better for such people to show themselves.

[Nicky91]

Record them and get their faces, share it around. And if they escalate their marches, release the cops. It might well be a problem, but it's better for such people to show themselves.

lol won't help, since those racists will not be punished thx to their racist colleagues in the police force

[The Slim Reaper]

Record them and get their faces, share it around. And if they escalate their marches, release the cops. It might well be a problem, but it's better for such people to show themselves.


I've seen you calling for asylum seekers to be killed, so I have to say I'm surprised by the revelation that the far right need to have their pictures taken.

Maybe see if we can get family ones done in shopping centres :laugh:

[Oliver_W]

I've seen you calling for asylum seekers to be killed, so I have to say I'm surprised by the revelation that the far right need to have their pictures taken.

Maybe see if we can get family ones done in shopping centres :laugh:

I've never advocated for anyone to be killed, I've called for in-action. Leaving things to passively happen due to Darwinism isn't the same as wanting some action to be taken.

[The Slim Reaper]

I've never advocated for anyone to be killed, I've called for in-action. Leaving things to passively happen due to Darwinism isn't the same as wanting some action to be taken.

Pretty sure you mentioned snipers, which is a bit different to letting things happen naturally, and is also a fairly abhorrent way to view other humans.

[Oliver_W]

Pretty sure you mentioned snipers, which is a bit different to letting things happen naturally, and is also a fairly abhorrent way to view other humans.

I can't remember saying that, but whenever it was I take it back. Unless I was on the wind-up that must have been at least two years ago?

Nah I don't associate with the left or the right. I'm probably somewhere between old school liberal and anarchy :joker:

[Barry.]

I don’t get the complaining

[Swan]

I don’t get the complaining

Yeah that's where i stand on this tbh.

[Nicky91]

I don’t get the complaining

Ofcom complains are about literally anything these days in the tooo PC world

[user104658]

I can't remember saying that, but whenever it was I take it back. Unless I was on the wind-up that must have been at least two years ago?


That's CHEATING, you're not allowed to switch sides mid-game.

[user104658]

I don’t get the complainingYeah that's where i stand on this tbh.Given thought yes I think my thoughts on this are simpler than when I first came into the thread.

ITV choose to air BGT, the people who produce BGT choose which acts they have on to perform, it's their channel/their show so they can do what they want with it. If people don't like the show they've chosen to show/make, they can change the channel.

Theres not much more to be said about it really. Ofcom complaints should be for things that completely and clearly cross a line, and this obviously doesn't.

[bots]

calling ofcom is something that "busy bodys" do. As has been said the best form of censorship is to change channel. I dont understand the need to censor what other people want to watch

[Oliver_W]

That's CHEATING, you're not allowed to switch sides mid-game.

:joker:

Honestly my political views through the past few years have been swinging all over the place, the consistent thing has been environmentalism; that's what informs most of my views tbh - I want less immigration because the fewer people we have, the less building over green areas we'll need. A bit simplistic perhaps, but heyho.

[Tom4784]

What about all the looting and destruction? Is that everyone else's fault too?

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The pattern is there, it doesn't matter to anyone if you accept it or not.

[Swan]

The pattern is there, it doesn't matter to anyone if you accept it or not.

That has nothing to do with the video posted.

[Tom4784]

So some people were posting stupid tweets, handing out fliers, and putting stickers up?

One of the sources used in the article with a misplaced apostrphe in the heading said this:


To think either side is without fault in the riots is naive, to say the least.

I put that article in because I knew you'd jump at it, while discarding everything else and downplaying it. Very predictable. I wanted to see how you'd take the news sources and you reacted exactly how I thought. Your first instinct is to spin and downplay, you focused so hard on the one article that supports your own agenda that you disregarded the complete image that those few links present. There's a concentrated effort by White Supremacists to disturb protests and present BLM as a violent organisation, sometimes it's through Twitter or 'passive' ways like spreading hatefuelled propaganda, other times it's through rioting and looting and inciting others to do the same.

This is why you do your own research, by demanding it from others, you give them the power to lead the discussion. I didn't post those links to change your mind but to highlight the flaws in your thinking by adding one article that would appeal to your own agenda so you would disregard everything else in favour of that.

Also, your 'both sides' narrative doesn't pan out since you're confusing Antifa, a non-existent organisation for BLM. There's one side that's worse than the other in this situation and it's not BLM.

[Tom4784]

That has nothing to do with the video posted.

And your video has no relevance to what I'm saying.

[Oliver_W]

There's one side that's worse than the other in this situation and it's not BLM.

It's whoever does the worst things. In some cases that's BLM, in others it's the white supremacist saboteurs. Their broader aims and views go out the window when it kicks off.

[Swan]

And your video has no relevance to what I'm saying.

Yes it does. You're saying all violence is incited by right wingers or people against BLM. The video is of protesters looting and acting in an aggressive, destructive manner. So it disproves your view that all violence is caused by anyone but the protesters.

Hows does smashing up a shop and stealing high end clothes/shoes, and even setting fire to them after help black lives?

[Tom4784]

It's whoever does the worst things. In some cases that's BLM, in others it's the white supremacist saboteurs. Their broader aims and views go out the window when it kicks off.

I'd personally say the side that are killing people are worse, but go off sis.

[Oliver_W]

I'd personally say the side that are killing people are worse, but go off sis.

That's a separate issue. Rioters are bad whatever the reason, and murderers are bad. It's possible for more than one thing to be bad at once, you know?

I will add, even if the BLM people were enticed into rioting by people who wanted to make them look bad, they still rioted and it's still their own responsibility.

[Tom4784]

Yes it does. You're saying all violence is incited by right wingers or people against BLM. The video is of protesters looting and acting in an aggressive, destructive manner. So it disproves your view that all violence is caused by anyone but the protesters.

Hows does smashing up a shop and stealing high end clothes/shoes, and even setting fire to them after help black lives?

I'm saying most of the violence is incited by Right Wingers/White supremacists, there will always be opportunists out for themselves but the facts are clear, when there aren't White Supremacists at these protests, you rarely hear about them because they are peaceful.

Your point only has merit if I speak only in absolutes, which I do not. Stick to what I'm actually saying, and not what you want me to have said.

[Tom4784]

That's a separate issue. Rioters are bad whatever the reason, and murderers are bad. It's possible for more than one thing to be bad at once, you know?

I will add, even if the BLM people were enticed into rioting by people who wanted to make them look bad, they still rioted and it's still their own responsibility.

When protesters are being killed, or people are being dealt life changing injuries by the police or white supremacists, then it's not a separate issue at all.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think its universally accepted the looting, burning and criminality is the extreme left

i mean noone is even debating this fact in the USA

no one

[Oliver_W]

When protesters are being killed, or people are being dealt life changing injuries by the police or white supremacists, then it's not a separate issue at all.

I'm not sure what specifically you're referring to, but people getting killed or injured doesn't absolve "their side" from anything. Rioters are still scumbags, even if someone with broadly similar views did come to harm.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Beso]

I've just added another one

[GoldHeart]

I reject the whole 'people need an escape' angle tbh. It's complete white privilege to want a 'break' from hearing about racism. Black people don't get a break, they have to live it. Black people in America have to deal with the fact that they can be shot to death while sleeping in bed, or playing a game with their nephew in their own Living Room or being shot by an officer who has wandered into their apartment and killed them because the officer was in the wrong department. The UK is not so innocent when it comes to brutality either.

If people get tired of hearing about racism and inequality in general, they should probably appreciate the fact that it doesn't affect them and the 'worst' they have to deal with is simply hearing and acknowledging that such inequality exists.

That's why I can't even be bothered to argue with people sometimes because they'll never understood or get it .

Idiots go around saying "all lives Matter" :facepalm: , because they're too stupid to realise equality Doesn't exist for everyone , they don't comprehend the struggles in their little pea size brain .

I also find it fascinating that people continue to blame BLM , yet there's actual hate groups and terrorist groups out there being shrugged off / ignored. White superamacy ,KKK etc you name :bored: .

[Kizzy]

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:joker: omg! This guy is like a parody of some godawful 70s comic....oh, wait...

What an absolute crank! :laugh:

[Kizzy]

That's why I can't even be bothered to argue with people sometimes because they'll never understood or get it .

Idiots go around saying "all lives Matter" :facepalm: , because they're too stupid to realise equality Doesn't exist for everyone , they don't comprehend the struggles in their little pea size brain .

I also find it fascinating that people continue to blame BLM , yet there's actual hate groups and terrorist groups out there being shrugged off / ignored. White superamacy ,KKK etc you name :bored: .

:worship:

[The Slim Reaper]

That's CHEATING, you're not allowed to switch sides mid-game.

Yeah, going from Asylum seekers should be killed to eugenics is a real 180.

[Crimson Dynamo]

:joker: omg! This guy is like a parody of some godawful 70s comic....oh, wait...

What an absolute crank! :laugh:

And yet nothing he says isn't true iagree

It's all truth

[Tom4784]

I'm not sure what specifically you're referring to, but people getting killed or injured doesn't absolve "their side" from anything. Rioters are still scumbags, even if someone with broadly similar views did come to harm.

Your whole 'both sides are bad!' argument will always read as you place equal value in buildings as you do in lives.

Buildings are insured and can be fixed, the dead can't be brought back to life. Someone can't regrow an eye that has been destroyed by police brutality.

[Crimson Dynamo]

LT, learn the difference between an opinion and truth.

I do know

I'm not the one thinking putting up sticker's is causing looting a hotel burning

[Oliver_W]

Yeah, going from Asylum seekers should be killed to eugenics is a real 180.

Where on earth didyou get "eugenics" from what I said?

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think bringing up 2 year old posts (again and again and again)out of context should not be encouraged.

[user104658]

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Remember when Jim Davidson pretended he wasn't a racist prick when he was on Big Brother? And that he was hard done by because people thought he was? It is somewhat comforting that he's now just an out and proud. What an absolute car crash of a human being. What a sodden, miserable, addled old fart. Just really, really sad stuff.

[Oliver_W]

Your whole 'both sides are bad!' argument will always read as you place equal value in buildings as you do in lives.


If that's your takeaway that's fine, but two things can be bad at once. Police brutality doesn't excuse riots. Anyone who takes part in either is an awful person. I'm not saying the actions are as bad as each other, but they're both bad and it should be possible to dislike both.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Remember when Jim Davidson pretended he wasn't a racist prick when he was on Big Brother? And that he was hard done by because people thought he was? It is somewhat comforting that he's now just an out and proud. What an absolute car crash of a human being. What a sodden, miserable, addled old fart. Just really, really sad stuff.

He is so funny and right

I just can't..

[Epic.]

He is so funny and right

I just can't..

Then don't

[Kizzy]

And yet nothing he says isn't true iagree

It's all truth

As Mr T once said...I pity the fool!.

[Marsh.]

He is so funny and right

I just can't..

Racism is funny and right?

Well at least you've stopped the pretence now. Progress.

[user104658]

He is so funny and right



I just can't..He was a wife-beating drunk and as demonstrated by this video he's still an aggressive creep, and between his puffy eyes and slurring bitterness I honestly don't buy that he isn't still a drunk.

[Kizzy]

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[Ammi]

...Jim Davidson is just another thread of the abusive older guy on the bus, really...he made some kind of audible grunt, type thing about Alesha/I don’t know what the word for that would be../..an acknowledgement that he found her physically attractive, I think/but not sure...(...if that’s so, he did then sneakily give a second or two to say she had intelligence, which obviously balances his prejudices...)...‘she sings a little and dances a little’...how superior of him and that young lady has just been ‘put in her place’ of being pretty/eye candy and her artistic talents have been reduced to a little’...and goodness gracious, she’s looking a bit too black, what about her white ass bit..apparently before winning BB, he was this humble person who was looking to revive his career a bit more....hmmmmm...he’s ahead of his time, really...he showed so many prejudices and grim character etc before any of Diversity became even a sparkle in their parent’s eyes, as they say...and he’s reverted back to being ‘loud and proud’ about it...

...if you asked a classroom at primary school level...so we’re going to watch this video to look at which things you feel show prejudice, so that we can discuss them all etc...I would like you to write down a few on a little whiteboard...they’d be totally spoiled for choice...not just with race prejudices but with sexism as well...that man has lived so many years and had many life experiences and still stayed standing in the same place...he appears to feel that if he disingenuously self depreciates of being ‘old and white and fat and past it’...we won’t see him and who he is...he doesn’t even have the excuse anymore of...’..well that’s how it was back in the day, I didn’t know better...’....silly, silly man and still filled with so much prejudice and part of what represents ‘BLM’ because he’s making the rules of equality and he don’t want no one taking his rules away...

...it’s really sad to see someone have a renewed confidence in vocally reinventing and expressing their prejudices in such a regressive way...when convincing in his housemate days that he won’t live in those prejudices no more...

[user104658]

I still wouldn't advocate punching him though Ammi :joker:.

But yes the man is absolutely vile, I was very much of the opinion that it wasn't appropriate for him to even have been invited ON to CBB let alone him winning it. He nearly had a brain haemorrhage on the show from trying to hold in his sexist/racist/just generally hateful and angry opinions and it was really obvious. Seems he's fully embraced himself now. Yuck.

He's been abusive to multiple wives and he was even arrested as part of Yewtree ffs - but "not enough evidence" in the end. "Note that's "not enough to bother pressing charges" - there was enough to arrest him.

[Nicky91]

Jim Davidson lol lol lol, he is one of the last people i would take seriously

he's even below Piers Morgan in my estimations and that says a lot i guess

[Ammi]

I still wouldn't advocate punching him though Ammi :joker:.

But yes the man is absolutely vile, I was very much of the opinion that it wasn't appropriate for him to even have been invited ON to CBB let alone him winning it. He nearly had a brain haemorrhage on the show from trying to hold in his sexist/racist/just generally hateful and angry opinions and it was really obvious. Seems he's fully embraced himself now. Yuck.

He's been abusive to multiple wives and he was even arrested as part of Yewtree ffs - but "not enough evidence" in the end. "Note that's "not enough to bother pressing charges" - there was enough to arrest him.

...let it go, let it go, let it go...:laugh:...I might just come up there and punch you, TS...

[bots]

i don't think there would be any alternative universe where Jim Davidson would be held as an oracle of human behaviour

[user104658]

i don't think there would be any alternative universe where Jim Davidson would be held as an oracle of human behaviour

Trumpet-Man: Into the Trumpet-Verse (2020)

He is so funny and right

I just can't..

[Crimson Dynamo]

He won CBB and has had a glittering career

The GBP love him

[Beso]

He won CBB and has had a glittering career

The GBP love him

True.

[user104658]

He won CBB and has had a glittering career

The GBP love him

The GBP loved Saville, too.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The GBP loved Saville, too.

DOnt think so, as i recall most folk would not have trusted thier kids in his company

he was always viewed as a bit of a paedo

Only the BBC loved him

[Kazanne]

DOnt think so, as i recall most folk would not have trusted thier kids in his company

he was always viewed as a bit of a paedo

Only the BBC loved him

I really disliked Saville,always gave me the creeps,but I do like Jim Davidson,I read his book a while back it was enlightening.

[user104658]

I really disliked Saville,always gave me the creeps,but I do like Jim Davidson,I read his book a while back it was enlightening.

I am honestly BAFFLED that anyone could watch the youtube video posted on this thread and genuinely think "Oh I like this chap."

[user104658]

DOnt think so, as i recall most folk would not have trusted thier kids in his company

he was always viewed as a bit of a paedo

Only the BBC loved him

Serious question; If Jim Davidson came up to someone and started making jokes about popping his tongue into their daughter's arsehole, would you expect them to chuckle... or would you be unsurprised if they bopped him upside the head harder than a mouthy orangeman on the bus to Tesco?

[Kazanne]

I am honestly BAFFLED that anyone could watch the youtube video posted on this thread and genuinely think "Oh I like this chap."

I haven't watched it haven't got time,just talking in general.

[Nicky91]

DOnt think so, as i recall most folk would not have trusted thier kids in his company

he was always viewed as a bit of a paedo

Only the BBC loved him

Saville had a good way of hiding this creepy behaviour at the BBC that time


and he was popular, Top of the Pops was that number one chart show for the people

[Kizzy]

DOnt think so, as i recall most folk would not have trusted thier kids in his company

he was always viewed as a bit of a paedo

Only the BBC loved him

Davidson worked for the BBC.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Saville had a good way of hiding this creepy behaviour at the BBC that time


and he was popular, Top of the Pops was that number one chart show for the people

TOTP was the only way you could see pop stars playing their songs

My whole street of kids would empty when it came on

[Crimson Dynamo]

Davidson worked for the BBC.

yes a lot of people did Kizzy including every comedian

[arista]

Ofcom complaints soar to 21,673.

[user104658]

Ofcom complaints soar to 21,673.

I mean, it's only 0.4% of viewers so that number is relatively meaningless. I did read that they lost about 10% of their viewership but tbf I don't know how much of that is normal week-on-week drop. Also it would be conjecture to assume that all of that 10% was because of Diversity... maybe some people just remembered that BGT is ****.

[Liam-]

Ofcom complaints soar to 21,673.

That’ll happen when racists are determined to make black people the most complained about thing ever, without actually seeing what they’re complaining about

[Crimson Dynamo]

Give me an ep of Doctor Pimple popper and My 600lb life any day

[user104658]

OK so having actually watched the performance now ( :umm2: I know, I know...) I don't actually get what there is to complain about? I think I assumed that it was politically partisan but... it isn't even that... it's mainly observational of the issue and quite hopeful of a better future. Somewhat ironically given the response, perhaps.

I liked the performance, I didn't find it earth-shattering or revelationary but because of that... it really isn't controversial. It doesn't play into political tribalism in any particular way. So yes... the complaints really are petty and I can't think of any reason for them other than people having an automatic "ew lefty stuff yeuch" reaction.

[Ammi]

OK so having actually watched the performance now ( :umm2: I know, I know...) I don't actually get what there is to complain about? I think I assumed that it was politically partisan but... it isn't even that... it's mainly observational of the issue and quite hopeful of a better future. Somewhat ironically given the response, perhaps.

I liked the performance, I didn't find it earth-shattering or revelationary but because of that... it really isn't controversial. It doesn't play into political tribalism in any particular way. So yes... the complaints really are petty and I can't think of any reason for them other than people having an automatic "ew lefty stuff yeuch" reaction.

...can we just say, though...just for the holy fun of it etc...

[user104658]

...can we just say, though...just for the holy fun of it etc...

I don't watch council telly and I couldn't find it on YouTube the first time I looked :hmph:.

[Ammi]

I don't watch council telly and I couldn't find it on YouTube the first time I looked :hmph:.

...:love:...it’s an incredible performance, eh...I’ve said before, quite a while ago about an African group of children who have often visited the school and given such incredible and powerful performance with expression through dance...