Face masks could be giving people Covid-19 immunity, researchers suggest

[Samm]

Face masks may be inadvertently giving people Covid-19 immunity and making them get less sick from the virus, academics have suggested in one of the most respected medical journals in the world.

The commentary, published in the New England Journal of Medicine, advances the unproven but promising theory that universal face mask wearing might be helping to reduce the severity of the virus and ensuring that a greater proportion of new infections are asymptomatic.

If this hypothesis is borne out, the academics argue, then universal mask-wearing could become a form of variolation (inoculation) that would generate immunity and “thereby slow the spread of the virus in the United States and elsewhere” as the world awaits a vaccine.

It comes as increasing evidence suggests that the amount of virus someone is exposed to at the start of infection - the “infectious dose” - may determine the severity of their illness. Indeed, a large study published in the Lancet last month found that “viral load at diagnosis” was an “independent predictor of mortality” in hospital patients.

This is because even a low viral load can be enough to induce an immune response, which is effectively what a typical vaccine does.

Source (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/face-masks-could-giving-people-covid-19-immunity-researchers/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr)

interesting, doses may not be large enough to cause symptoms but they could still be large enough to induce an immune response. So by wearing a mask and getting very small viral doses, you may actually build up immunity to Covid 19. This is an acedemic opinion piece in the NEJM, this is an hypothesis from a noted expert. NEJM is one of the top medical journals in the world.

the process is called inoculation.. this is how small pox was kept in check. They would take some pus from the open wound of a small pox patient, put it on a pin head and poke the arms of those who didn't yet have it. It was just enough viral dose to provoke an immune response.

So mask up!

[Niamh.]

Yeah, I don't know what people's problems are with the masks, is it really that much of an inconvenience? The more people wear them, the more likely it will be to get back to some what of normal life

[Ammi]

...maybe kind of unrelated but kind of is as well....I went to the bank last week, which I hadn’t been to for a while, but this was something that couldn’t be done online...anyway with the indoor transaction machines, an older man was using one, but not sure what to do../..how to operate it...the staff member who was assisting him was wearing a mask but he wasn’t....in her assistance, she was leaning right over him and her face was only a few inches from his and he didn’t step back at all to give her more ‘safe space’...so she was ‘protecting him’ with her mask wearing but he obviously didn’t feel ‘vulnerable’ to being protected, as it were...he was also placing her at risk because he could have been asymptomatic etc...

[Cal.]

I love wearing my mask it makes me feel like a bad bitch

[Cal.]

Especially when I pull it off dramatically looking slightly annoyed in case any fit boys are watching me in the supermarket car park

[Niamh.]

Especially when I pull it off dramatically looking slightly annoyed in case any fit boys are watching me in the supermarket car park

:laugh2:

[DouglasS]

To be honest there’s research and studies for everything, there is likely research opposing this

[Tom4784]

Yeah, I don't know what people's problems are with the masks, is it really that much of an inconvenience? The more people wear them, the more likely it will be to get back to some what of normal life

Entitled people that confuse wearing a piece of fabric on your face to being oppressed. It's just people throwing tantrums over nothing.

[Niamh.]

Entitled people that confuse wearing a piece of fabric on your face to being oppressed. It's just people throwing tantrums over nothing.

Would they rather another full on Lock down? Do they argue when they're told they can't fly off to their holidays if they don't put their seat belts on in the plane? ****ing stupidity

[Nicky91]

Yeah, I don't know what people's problems are with the masks, is it really that much of an inconvenience? The more people wear them, the more likely it will be to get back to some what of normal life

groups like anti-maskers, viruswaanzin believe wearing those masks take away something of your freedom

some here in my country (especially one founder of viruswaanzin Willem Engel)

he said like those who recommend wearing masks, staying at home, working from home, those people who order that are similar to gestapo


very silly, since even with a mask you still have 98% of your freedom to do whatever you want

[Ammi]

I love wearing my mask it makes me feel like a bad bitch

...but you are a ba...../mask wearer, Cal....

[Ammi]

Especially when I pull it off dramatically looking slightly annoyed in case any fit boys are watching me in the supermarket car park

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6fJ5Aj2KNnYrtBkc/giphy.gif

[The Slim Reaper]

We didn't fight 2 world wars to be told to wear masks, etc.

[Crimson Dynamo]

everyone in Scotland is wearing them with no problems

:spin:

[Beso]

I wonder how they measure the amount of covid people were exposed to when they caught it...

Sounds a bit far fetched to me atm.

[Nicky91]

I wonder how they measure the amount of covid people were exposed to when they caught it...

Sounds a bit far fetched to me atm.

not precisely since therefore you need everyone to be tested ofc, and you have not got that amount of testkits

so more hypothetically too, with information of those tested positive where they had been the last week, who was near them, then you can ask those people to go into 2 weeks quarantine as well (out of precaution)

[Cherie]

everyone in Scotland is wearing them with no problems

:spin:

Can you take Parmy back :hehe:

[user104658]

Honestly I just quite like them aesthetically, maybe I'm drawn to people's eyes? But definitely just when wandering around out and about, people are looking distinctly less ugly lately :joker:.

[user104658]

everyone in Scotland is wearing them with no problems

:spin:

Actually not to throw a spanner in the works - but I went to the local bakers the other day and there were 4 people in front of me (two groups of two) and of those four people... only one had a mask - and it was (confusingly) around her bottom lip and chin :think:.

It was a strange one because I was at a shopping centre the following day and must have passed hundreds of people, and didn't see ONE without a mask.

[Niamh.]

Honestly I just quite like them aesthetically, maybe I'm drawn to people's eyes? But definitely just when wandering around out and about, people are looking distinctly less ugly lately :joker:.

I like when people can't see my mouth actually, I'm kind of anti social a lot of times and it makes me feel more enclosed and happy :laugh:

[Ammi]

...I guess that aesthetically is what I don’t like about them just because of what they represent.../...a changed world of less contact and freedom and more anxiousness etc...and I’m not entirely certain that a smile is held in the eyes, so they take so much away in a smile being more masked/simple human interaction....but for safety and care etc, I couldn’t not like them as I feel they’re a huge help to keeping us all safer...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Actually not to throw a spanner in the works - but I went to the local bakers the other day and there were 4 people in front of me (two groups of two) and of those four people... only one had a mask - and it was (confusingly) around her bottom lip and chin :think:.

It was a strange one because I was at a shopping centre the following day and must have passed hundreds of people, and didn't see ONE without a mask.

i expect they were...English

:skull:

[user104658]

i expect they were...English

:skull:

They were tradies from a local flats conversion and their lady supervisor in a high-vis jacket

Sign Of The Times

[Beso]

Can you take Parmy back :hehe:

London's domestic abuse cases would go up if I were to leave.:smug:

So I'm staying put, with my mask.

[Tom4784]

Would they rather another full on Lock down? Do they argue when they're told they can't fly off to their holidays if they don't put their seat belts on in the plane? ****ing stupidity

They don't think that far ahead, you also get people who oppose masks thinking that Covid is a hoax. Delusion, entitlement and stupidity rolled into one. If another lockdown were to happen, they'd blame everyone else but themselves because it's never their fault.

We live in an age where wilful ignorance is seen as enlightenment and science is becoming demonised because people only care about things that fuel their delusions, not facts.

[Niamh.]

They don't think that far ahead, you also get people who oppose masks thinking that Covid is a hoax. Delusion, entitlement and stupidity rolled into one. If another lockdown were to happen, they'd blame everyone else but themselves because it's never their fault.

We live in an age where wilful ignorance is seen as enlightenment and science is becoming demonised because people only care about things that fuel their delusions, not facts.

I just don't get the "why" for a hoax. It's crippling economies, I can't think why governments would want that

I made a thread about a Netflix series today actually called The Social Dilemma, I think maybe that might begin to answer some of why people are getting caught up in conspiracies like this

[Tom4784]

I just don't get the "why" for a hoax. It's crippling economies, I can't think why governments would want that

I made a thread about a Netflix series today actually called The Social Dilemma, I think maybe that might begin to answer some of why people are getting caught up in conspiracies like this

People are simply rejecting reality when it doesn't suit them. A global pandemic that is killing hundreds of thousands is scary so they convince themselves it's all a hoax to strip them of their freedoms, climate change is scary so it's a leftist political plot. Anything bad that gets said about their preferred politicians is simply fake news etc.

It's honestly worrying how prevalent such trains of thoughts are becoming. Facts are fact, whether they are good or bad is irrelevant, living in a dream world won't fix what's wrong.

[Niamh.]

People are simply rejecting reality when it doesn't suit them. A global pandemic that is killing hundreds of thousands is scary so they convince themselves it's all a hoax to strip them of their freedoms, climate change is scary so it's a leftist political plot. Anything bad that gets said about their preferred politicians is simply fake news etc.

It's honestly worrying how prevalent such trains of thoughts are becoming. Facts are fact, whether they are good or bad is irrelevant, living in a dream world won't fix what's wrong.

The problem is what is or is not "fact" is being muddied and debated so much that sometimes it's hard to see which things are and are not facts

[user104658]

I just don't get the "why" for a hoax. It's crippling economies, I can't think why governments would want that

I made a thread about a Netflix series today actually called The Social Dilemma, I think maybe that might begin to answer some of why people are getting caught up in conspiracies like this

New World Order, control through fear, covert permanent altering of civil rights, etc. It's not THAT wild of a theory (aside from Covid obviously being real), mainly because the wealth of billionaires has expanded massively during Covid so yes there are very powerful people with a lot to gain, and part of a "true" New World Order would involve heavy economic restructuring anyway, and "writing off" a tonne of international debt or making it irrelevant, so the short term economic cost becomes moot.

It's conspiracy nonsense of course (... probably :joker: ...) but it's not inherently illogical.

[Niamh.]

New World Order, control through fear, covert permanent altering of civil rights, etc. It's not THAT wild of a theory (aside from Covid obviously being real), mainly because the wealth of billionaires has expanded massively during Covid so yes there are very powerful people with a lot to gain, and part of a "true" New World Order would involve heavy economic restructuring anyway, and "writing off" a tonne of international debt or making it irrelevant, so the short term economic cost becomes moot.

It's conspiracy nonsense of course (... probably :joker: ...) but it's not inherently illogical.

I just couldn't imagine all world governments agreeing with and/or benefiting from it (unless a lot of them are being duped too which seems pretty far fetched)

[user104658]

I just couldn't imagine all world governments agreeing with and/or benefiting from it (unless a lot of them are being duped too which seems pretty far fetched)

Well you also have to remember that most of these theories are US-born and people in the US have a habit of forgetting that most of the world exists.

[Tom4784]

The problem is what is or is not "fact" is being muddied and debated so much that sometimes it's hard to see which things are and are not facts

Yeah, it also doesn't help that it's becoming increasingly more commonplace to reject the advice of experts if they don't tell you what you want to hear.

People are placing their feelings on the same absolute pedestal as facts to the point they feel like they can reject them if they don't like it.

Common sense is taking a leave of absence and people's egos are inflating in the process. If a validated expert tells me something, I will listen whether or not I like what I'm hearing, to reject such things because it's inconvenient is arrogant.

[Niamh.]

Well you also have to remember that most of these theories are US-born and people in the US have a habit of forgetting that most of the world exists.

True enough, also it seems even less likely for the US government to be involved considering how Trump has handled it and back tracked on it too, in fact he was almost acting like he thought it was a hoax himself at the beginning

[user104658]

True enough, also it seems even less likely for the US government to be involved considering how Trump has handled it and back tracked on it too, in fact he was almost acting like he thought it was a hoax himself at the beginning

Classic NWO ideology would be that there are "shadowy behind the scenes figures" doing the work and that world leaders up to and including the president are unaware or at least don't know "how deep the rabbit hole goes" when it comes to their machinations. Think "The Smoking Man" in the X-files, if you ever watched that... or "Hydra" in the MCU I suppose.

It makes for some great fiction to be fair but I honestly just don't think the world is complex enough for any of it to be true. It would require a level of secrecy and... well... competence that I just don't think actually exists. It feels much closer to reality to say "Oh god they just genuinely have no idea what they're doing, do they".

[Crimson Dynamo]

Whenever a theory, for it to be true, relies on lots of people not sharing a secret

you know its BS

[Zizu]

everyone in Scotland is wearing them with no problems

:spin:



There’s a bus just driven past me leaving a bus stop ... older people near the front all wearing masks ..

Teenagers at the back of the bus - masks on but under their chins or hanging on one ear ..

Therein lies the problem


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[Zizu]

I like when people can't see my mouth actually, I'm kind of anti social a lot of times and it makes me feel more enclosed and happy :laugh:



Well it’s gonna be strange for anyone on the autism spectrum as they ‘tend’ to focus their eyes on other people’s mouths ( avoiding eye contact ) when interacting with them ..


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[Beso]

Imagine thinking a mask gives you immunity to covid...how utterly ridiculous

[user104658]

Imagine thinking a mask gives you immunity to covid...how utterly ridiculous

The science behind micro-dosing is pretty solid to be honest, it's how early inoculation programmes worked. You can also microdose immunity to certain poisons and venoms :thumbs:.

https://blogs.cornellcollege.edu/cla3642019/files/2019/05/tumblr_mpliutmXUA1qf97j8o5_250.gif

[Beso]

The science behind micro-dosing is pretty solid to be honest, it's how early inoculation programmes worked. You can also microdose immunity to certain poisons and venoms :thumbs:.

https://blogs.cornellcollege.edu/cla3642019/files/2019/05/tumblr_mpliutmXUA1qf97j8o5_250.gif


doctors ain't gonna be prescribing masks anytime soon though, are they.

[Nicky91]

doctors ain't gonna be prescribing masks anytime soon though, are they.

ORW4TpWmfao

[Tom4784]

Imagine thinking a mask gives you immunity to covid...how utterly ridiculous

The science supports it. You can disagree but I'd rather listen to experts who are qualified and have experience in these matters