Say NO to another Lockdown

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Marsh.]

The only way to say no to another lockdown is honour social distancing measures, which a lot of people don't seem to get.

[GiRTh]

Lots of comments about 'illegals' in the comment section. Most puzzling :conf:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Lots of comments about 'illegals' in the comment section. Most puzzling :conf:
People can post what they wish not what you expect??

[Marsh.]

People can post what they wish not what you expect??

And he can find what they post puzzling. What a bizarre reply.

[Elliot]

We wouldn’t have to have another one if we had a competent government that handled this properly

[Crimson Dynamo]

We wouldn’t have to have another one if we had a competent government that handled this properly

How should they handle it?

[bots]

How should they handle it?

think thats pretty obvious, better testing/tracing. We wont have another lockdown like we had in march. More restrictions maybe, but business and services will not close down again

[joeysteele]

We wouldn’t have to have another one if we had a competent government that handled this properly


If we had one too that didn't deceive and lie as well.

I agree, from protection equipment to testing, to dangerously easing lockdown too much, the incompetence has been unbelievably infuriating.

With way more deaths than should ever have resulted too.
Scandalous.

I mean in Farage's video, I agree it should be unacceptable that none of the things being done have been voted on individually in parliament.
However with an 80 overall majority, which Farage helped him get with his undemocratic election farcical gameplaying, it wouldn't matter if parliament did have votes on it.

He's right in that this government is more dictatorial than democratic however.

[bots]

over the last 20 - 25 years, i've noticed a steep decline in competence of cabinet members across all political parties. They can get away with it when things are running smoothly, but come crisis time they fail miserably. There is obviously a lack of talent available

[GiRTh]

People can post what they wish not what you expect??Dunno what the lockdown has got to do with immigration is why I'm puzzled. There one comment about immigrants staying in five star hotels. :shrug: Maybe you can explain what thats got to do with anything? :conf:

[Kizzy]

Oh foff with this clown!

[Mitchell]

If a lockdown is necessary then yes.

[joeysteele]

If a lockdown is necessary then yes.

I agree.

[Zizu]

So the medical boffins all saying the only way to stop this second wave is to have a complete lockdown to keep everyone apart - so it can’t be passed on human to human .. The flaw in this idea is that we are planning on keeping schools open as normal .




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[Jake.]

Not really down to you (or any other member of the public) I’m afraid.

[GiRTh]

Rule of six doesn’t apply to blm or any other neo Marxist movement.. interestingPuzzling comment. Its got 27 likes.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Dunno what the lockdown has got to do with immigration is why I'm puzzled. There one comment about immigrants staying in five star hotels. :shrug: Maybe you can explain what thats got to do with anything? :conf:

I'm explaining YouTube comments to you

:joker:

NO

[GiRTh]

I'm explaining YouTube comments to you

:joker:

NOJust saying, alot of comments on immigration. I was wondering why it was relevant seeing as a few mentioned it. :shrug:

[bots]

the only reason for the original lockdown was to keep the pressure off the nhs. At the moment the nhs is under zero pressure from covid, so any talk of lockdown is extremely premature. The number of hospital admissions should drive restrictions, not the number of daily infections... we are being manipulated by the media

[Crimson Dynamo]

The thirst to ape the tabloids for a lockdown is baffling

[user104658]

over the last 20 - 25 years, i've noticed a steep decline in competence of cabinet members across all political parties. They can get away with it when things are running smoothly, but come crisis time they fail miserably. There is obviously a lack of talent available

These says, it's just not an attractive career path for talented people, is the simple reality of it. Talented people can excel in academia, the private sector or the 3rd sector without being smeared all over tabloids like politicians are... they can say/write/do what they believe in and still keep getting paid, where politicians have to pander to the lowest common denominator or fail to be elected. Who would do that to themself? Only someone who isn't in it because they're talented... but because they're seeking something else. Power, influence or just banal prestige. Not the realms of clever people tbh.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/09/20/22/33409136-0-image-a-87_1600635803345.jpg

[michael21]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/09/20/22/33409136-0-image-a-87_1600635803345.jpg


Even the papers have forgotten about the 6 people rule

[arista]

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[GoldHeart]

We wouldn’t have to have another one if we had a competent government that handled this properly

Exactly !

[Nicky91]

we need second national lockdowns

people need to be ordered to stay home if they can't obey the other rules

[bots]

we need second national lockdowns

people need to be ordered to stay home if they can't obey the other rules

never going to happen, that would kill millions from poverty

[Nicky91]

never going to happen, that would kill millions from poverty

not exactly our fault since our EU is going to protect us, apart from that one country who left them (who won't have advantages from the covid package fund)

Health is number one priority, and number one danger at the moment is corona, not poverty


poverty you can easily solve taking some money from super rich and giving it to the poor

[joeysteele]

we need second national lockdowns

people need to be ordered to stay home if they can't obey the other rules



I don't think it would be supported in the UK.
I think the last one shouldn't have been opened as quick and as much.

I've heard those saying if pubs are closing earlier, they'll just go out earlier to them to make up for that.

It's the vulnerable and elderly I worry over.
The government here has been awful, trying to coax more and more people out into society and work..
Then trying to slap them down.

Wild moonshot statements, irresponsibly made by the man leading the Country..
There's a huge dangerously sad joke in itself.
When the basic testing is in. chaos

I don't think the support is there for a full lockdown .
People are growing in their loss of confidence in this government.
Although there are those diehard and uncaring Tories who will support this useless leader we have, no matter what devastation he brings to others lives.

I wouldn't be having universities going back at this time either.

This is heading to be a shambles of an even bigger mess than 6 months ago.

Then we've a health secretary who can only deceive and lie too.
This is just like groundhog day with this government.
It's like we've stepped back almost 6 months rather than move on at all.

[Nicky91]

basically it confirms Farage as one of those anti-maskers morons who believe corona is a hoax :idc:

[bots]

every country is facing the same problems, and this idealistic notion that a vaccine will save the day is just fantasy. We have to get used to the fact that covid is with us now. Shield the old and vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life. Restrictions are untenable, people will not accept them long term

[Cherie]

What is the point of another lockdown, selfish people need to change their habits, another lockdown won’t help with that

[Nicky91]

What is the point of another lockdown, selfish people need to change their habits, another lockdown won’t help with that

if people cannot stick by the rules on their own, force them with a lockdown and this time a whole lot stricter, with armed military patrolling the streets 24/7

[Cherie]

if people cannot stick by the rules on their own, force them with a lockdown and this time a whole lot stricter, with armed military patrolling the streets 24/7

You can have that in the Netherlands Nicky, the problem is there is no end in sight with this virus so we gave to learn to live with it, locking people up will not work at all.

[AnnieK]

What is the point of another lockdown, selfish people need to change their habits, another lockdown won’t help with that

Exactly....every time we come out we will be back in this situation if people don't follow the advice and rules.

[bots]

What is the point of another lockdown, selfish people need to change their habits, another lockdown won’t help with that

there is no point in it at all, it won't be effective, and the police would not be able to enforce it

[Nicky91]

You can have that in the Netherlands Nicky, the problem is there is no end in sight with this virus so we gave to learn to live with it, locking people up will not work at all.

because of the vile youth who go breaking rules everytime


so that is why, second lockdown i advise

[bots]

because of the vile youth who go breaking rules everytime


so that is why, second lockdown i advise

aren't you a vile youth Nicky?

[joeysteele]

What is the point of another lockdown, selfish people need to change their habits, another lockdown won’t help with that

How do you make selfish people change without a lockdown.
One selfish person can if they get this, then infect many others who are doing things right.

So you need the law to enforce change.
Anyone breaking lockdown rules, should feel the full force of penalties for doing so.
However no lockdown then that's not really feasible.

Growing numbers of areas are on lockdown and strict restrictions again.
That isn't having the effect a full lockdown had sadly.

Nobody really wants another lockdown.
However if it is the only way and last resort to bring down infections then what else can be done?

Things were eased too much too quickly in my view..
I don't want to lose any more people from my life to this virus.
If a lockdown can help prevent that, I'd support it.

[Nicky91]

aren't you a vile youth Nicky?

no, i'm not

i never socialize anyway

[joeysteele]

because of the vile youth who go breaking rules everytime


so that is why, second lockdown i advise

It's not just the youth here Nicky.

I see outside pubs, middle aged men and women out there all congregating together, for a cigarette or chat.
Then trooping off back into the pub, then heading off to their homes and others homes likely.

They are as much to blame but so was opening up the pubs the way they were too.
I think that was a mistake by government here AGAIN.

A friend of mine went to a pub where no one was being asked for contact details.
Obviously they left.

It's not just the youth here, or those middle aged people I mentioned earlier but some cutting corners business people too.

[Nicky91]

It's not just the youth here Nicky.

I see outside pubs, middle aged men and women out there all congregating together, for a cigarette or chat.
Then trooping off back into the pub, then heading off to their homes and others homes likely.

They are as much to blame but so was opening up the pubs the way they were too.
I think that was a mistake by government here AGAIN.

A friend of mine went to a pub where no one was being asked for contact details.
Obviously they left.

It's not just the youth here, or those middle aged people I mentioned earlier but some cutting corners business people too.

middle aged people also among those who can die of the virus


youth can't die of this virus, but they are the ''superspreaders'' to those who can die of the virus

and i do not think any youngster wants to have a corona death on their conscience

[joeysteele]

middle aged people also among those who can die of the virus


youth can't die of this virus, but they are the ''superspreaders'' to those who can die of the virus

and i do not think any youngster wants to have a corona death on their conscience

Sadly Nicky there's people who think those who have lost their lives to this detestable cruel virus.
It doesn't matter.
As they'd have died anyway and didn't of this virus.

How to get past that mentality is beyond me.

I know the losses from my life were people who lost their lives unnecessarily earlier than they should have.
That's a fact.

One was a fit NHS Nurse, who contracted this caring for those in hospital with this virus when there wasn't adequate protection equipment for Doctors and Nurses.

I'll never agree with those voices diminishing or dismissing the deaths to this virus.
They are another real danger to dealing effectively with it.

[Cherie]

I agree there should be a standard when it comes to restaurants/pubs/cafes and it should be law that details are taken rather than leaving it up to the visitor to text or scan an app which is the case in some places, that said social distancing was well observed in all the places we visited over the last few days, and no one can stand at the bar other than to order

[bots]

How do you make selfish people change without a lockdown.
One selfish person can if they get this, then infect many others who are doing things right.

So you need the law to enforce change.
Anyone breaking lockdown rules, should feel the full force of penalties for doing so.
However no lockdown then that's not really feasible.

Growing numbers of areas are on lockdown and strict restrictions again.
That isn't having the effect a full lockdown had sadly.

Nobody really wants another lockdown.
However if it is the only way and last resort to bring down infections then what else can be done?

Things were eased too much too quickly in my view..
I don't want to lose any more people from my life to this virus.
If a lockdown can help prevent that, I'd support it.

People were fed up with the lockdown by May, they won't do it again. The government could bring in 100 laws, it doesn't matter. People will live their lives as they want to. If the government try to do anything more than shield the vulnerable there will be a huge backlash

[Kazanne]

I really don't think it's the government confusing people its the media ,one minute saying we are having a second lock down then saying one is not needed, IF we are told a lock down is necessary because some people have not adhered to advice ,then surely that's what we should do , but human nature as it is will always think it doesn't apply to them ,so they will never comply, so I don't know the answer to that one and I know I will get well' they don't stick to the rules themselves' comments, but really its just an excuse to flout rules, just because someone else does something does not mean we should do the same, not everything has been spot on, mistakes have been made ,but the blame game is always aimed at the government when really we should all do our bit, no matter if others have not.A lot of hate is aimed at Boris when he is just really the messenger.

[Nicky91]

I really don't think it's the government confusing people its the media ,one minute saying we are having a second lock down then saying one is not needed, IF we are told a lock down is necessary because some people have not adhered to advice ,then surely that's what we should do , but human nature as it is will always think it doesn't apply to them ,so they will never comply, so I don't know the answer to that one and I know I will get well' they don't stick to the rules themselves' comments, but really its just an excuse to flout rules, just because someone else does something does not mean we should do the same, not everything has been spot on, mistakes have been made ,but the blame game is always aimed at the government when really we should all do our bit, no matter if others have not.A lot of hate is aimed at Boris when he is just really the messenger.

you speak nonsense in this post lol


people do not have to decide anything for themselves, they MUST comply to the rules and STAY HOME

maybe it is indeed better to take freedom away from people

[bots]

you speak nonsense in this post lol


people do not have to decide anything for themselves, they MUST comply to the rules and STAY HOME

maybe it is indeed better to take freedom away from people

people don't need to do anything nicky, laws are only enforceable if people want to abide by them, and people wont abide by any new lockdown

[Kazanne]

you speak nonsense in this post lol


people do not have to decide anything for themselves, they MUST comply to the rules and STAY HOME

maybe it is indeed better to take freedom away from people

Of course people decide whether to abide by rules or not, they cannot be forced to do anything.so nonsense to you and others but not to me,

[Nicky91]

people don't need to do anything nicky, laws are only enforceable if people want to abide by them, and people wont abide by any new lockdown

i think we all know Health comes first, and not your unnecessary socializing

forgive me pls for being kinda over the top, but i'm feeling annoyed no one feels same way as i do

i care also about UK, which is why i get bit cautious when it comes to this virus


as for my own country, we also do not enough, we should go for another lockdown as well


countries who i applaud are Australia, Denmark, New Zealand, Austria, Iceland, kinda Norway too since they are still doing sort of well despite easing down of some measures, even some people in audiences of sports matches they do better with distancing than in my country (was very annoyed to see so many people next to each other yesterday at feyenoord match in rotterdam one of corona hotspots currently here and nothing being said about it on news either this morning)



yes i admit i am ProLockdown, since i think precautions are best to go for rather than wait until its too late

[Nicky91]

but what was your idea then Bots, as for shielding the old and vulnerable?

i think you guys might find our first ''intelligent lockdown'' somewhat of interest


maybe we need to go back to that either


with special shopping hours early morning for elderly, vulnerable people

for example just before schools begin so they can avoid spreaders like children, teens and also before work shifts begin so they can avoid middle aged people group

[Rob!]

Why on earth would we care about Farage’s opinion on anything?

[DouglasS]

How do you make selfish people change without a lockdown.
One selfish person can if they get this, then infect many others who are doing things right.

So you need the law to enforce change.
Anyone breaking lockdown rules, should feel the full force of penalties for doing so.
However no lockdown then that's not really feasible.

Growing numbers of areas are on lockdown and strict restrictions again.
That isn't having the effect a full lockdown had sadly.

Nobody really wants another lockdown.
However if it is the only way and last resort to bring down infections then what else can be done?

Things were eased too much too quickly in my view..
I don't want to lose any more people from my life to this virus.
If a lockdown can help prevent that, I'd support it.

A lockdown would destroy the economy, a destroyed economy will also lead to a loss of many lives, including the vulnerable.

The downfall of the economy has so many other impacts, including more deaths

[Liam-]

If we have to lockdown again, then so be it, the response should have been quicker and done properly the first time around, when you’ve got a government that continuously makes excuses for themselves flouting their own rules, it’s not hard to see why people ended up not bothering with it themselves, the way it’s going now it’s just going to be an endless cycle of ****housery and meaningless rules that don’t apply to the elite and it’ll all still get blamed on the young and common.

[joeysteele]

If we have to lockdown again, then so be it, the response should have been quicker and done properly the first time around, when you’ve got a government that continuously makes excuses for themselves flouting their own rules, it’s not hard to see why people ended up not bothering with it themselves, the way it’s going now it’s just going to be an endless cycle of ****housery and meaningless rules that don’t apply to the elite and it’ll all still get blamed on the young and common.

Absolutely spot on.
Better to do it sooner too, as the rhetoric is where that's heading again now anyway.
Rather than due their usual procrastination and wait and see how worse things get.

Rather than trying to limit things getting worse in the first place.

[DouglasS]

People seem to be blaming the government regardless. Going into lockdown too early can be a waste of time. Right now hospital admissions are extremely low, if we went into lockdown last week we around be halting almost no spread with a much larger cost to the economy
For almost no impact/pause on COVID. Going into lockdown too early can be ineffective and just a waste of time/millions of money with little impact, and then people will tire of the rules/lockdown when it would really matter as the lockdown was wasted.

At least people have been flouting the rules when COVID has been killing less people than the flu/other illnesses rather than during the peak.

[joeysteele]

I really don't think it's the government confusing people its the media ,one minute saying we are having a second lock down then saying one is not needed, IF we are told a lock down is necessary because some people have not adhered to advice ,then surely that's what we should do , but human nature as it is will always think it doesn't apply to them ,so they will never comply, so I don't know the answer to that one and I know I will get well' they don't stick to the rules themselves' comments, but really its just an excuse to flout rules, just because someone else does something does not mean we should do the same, not everything has been spot on, mistakes have been made ,but the blame game is always aimed at the government when really we should all do our bit, no matter if others have not.A lot of hate is aimed at Boris when he is just really the messenger.

Of course it's the government but then you'd say what you have anyway.

They are the ones getting the scientific and public health advice.
They are the ones who DECIDE and dictate what's needed to protect as near all as possible.

If it's not the government with their confusing messaging, contradictory too.
One day saying get everyone back to work and the cities.
Get pubs and restaurants open with NOT the relevant checks in place.

The testing chaos which has to be led by government and the science.
Which has become a dangerous farce.

Who else is to blame.

I hate the media, however they're only printing the endless contradictory messaging from government.
It's the media that have helped expose the testing tripe this government spouts out.
It's the media who highlighted the losses of Doctors and Nurses lives for lack of protection equipment.
It's the media too who helped expose the cruel sacrificing of elderly in care homes too.

Things this rotten Government all tried to cover up.

I know who I to blame, and I'd be saying this no matter what Government was in.
I'd never even think of trying to defend the indefensible.
It's this disgraceful PM and his government,as to the scandal he's presided over all through in this pandemic.
Of UNNECESSARY deaths of peoples loved ones.
Leaving devastation in the lives of those mourning lost loved ones too.

This government who now cannot and hadn't been for ages, even publicly sending condolences to all bereaved.

Odious creeps are what we have in this Cabinet, nothing else in my view.

[Cherie]

Hasn’t the North East been in lockdown since March effectively and its not worked at all :shrug:

[joeysteele]

Hasn’t the North East been in lockdown since March effectively and its not worked at all :shrug:

The North East had one of the least problems originally with this, I believe.
They've only just had new restrictions, not any great lockdown put in place.

However, the whole Country was in lockdown from March.
The flare ups in ALL the areas affected have followed the easing of lockdown.

[Nicky91]

Hasn’t the North East been in lockdown since March effectively and its not worked at all :shrug:

was there armed military force? NO

so your point means nothing lol

[joeysteele]

was there armed military force? NO

so your point means nothing lol

There didn't need to be Nicky.

That area of the UK was one of the least affected.
The problem there has arisen since the government eased lockdown and sent the message, get back to pubs, restaurants, eat cheaply Monday to Wednesday.
Get back to the offices and populate the town centre again.
Acting like the danger was near over.

That's where the problem has arisen.

[bots]

was there armed military force? NO

so your point means nothing lol

so you want to shoot people while they are on a night out?

[Cherie]

so you want to shoot people while they are on a night out?

Snipers shooting on sight :laugh:

[Nicky91]

so you want to shoot people while they are on a night out?

in current times you shouldn't be ''on a night out''


exceptions only for elderly, vulnerable of course, especially elderly since they need their walks outside their homes in park, bit of contact among each other whilst socially distanced (which they can stick too as we know better than 20-30 youth)

not exactly shooting people, it is more for display like if we got armed forces on streets patrolling, it feels much more serious, youth could maybe then see the dangers of this coronavirus pandemic crisis so a lockdown might be much more effective then

and also not easing down too soon anymore would also be my advice, if it decreases a lot, wait 1 or 2 more weeks until you know it for sure and it decreases to almost zero new cases then start easing down, and working on rebuilding good stable economy again

[bots]

oh look ... granny forgot to wear her mask in the supermarket ... quick bullet to the head will solve that problem

[Nicky91]

oh look ... granny forgot to wear her mask in the supermarket ... quick bullet to the head will solve that problem

don't be silly, if we can shield elderly from main group of spreaders 20-30 age group

they can possibly go to supermarket and be safe with and without masks (maybe for extra caution that they want to wear a mask in terms of contacts with cashier)

[joeysteele]

It is a virtual bullet to the head to anyone vulnerable or elderly who comes across anyone infected with this virus.
Whether the person infected knows they are or don't.

[Nicky91]

so you're saying my own thoughts on this are flawed then

and if so, good i am not a PM then or health minister

[user104658]

It is a virtual bullet to the head to anyone vulnerable or elderly who comes across anyone infected with this virus.
Whether the person infected knows they are or don't.I do find that a bit hyperbolic to be honest, even among the very elderly the death rate is not 100%, its more like 10 - 20% for the elderly as an overall group.

[The Slim Reaper]

Nicky sending for everyone this morning :laugh:

[joeysteele]

I do find that a bit hyperbolic to be honest, even among the very elderly the death rate is not 100%, its more like 10 - 20% for the elderly as an overall group.


I did say VIRTUAL bullet.
Which means not completely or wholly as described.

Plus while, it may not kill all.
There are all those unrecorded levels, which never the less are the case.
Of those badly affected as to permanent lung damage or other organ damage.
With their lives further hit, even after surviving.

There a lot left after this virus hits, to some of those as to even poorer health,.
Not just the deaths.

All I care about is ensuring the safety of the vulnerable and elderly and no way will I after learning of the losses of loved ones to myself and others.
No way will I ever look for ways to downplay that.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nicola said we are in a much better positiion to deal with this now

I like her postitive take

[MTVN]

Think we were always going to be facing this one way or the other tbh. I'm glad we reopened what we did in the summer when transmission was low so that we had a few months of laxer restrictions and could give the economy a boost because the autumn and winter were always going to be tough

[AnnieK]

Nicola said we are in a much better positiion to deal with this now

I like her postitive take

She's been great throughout. Far better than Boris

[Scarlett.]

Without a lockdown, the NHS will become overwhelmed, that is the reason we do them.

However, we can't do another lockdown like Spring, so perhaps maybe close Pubs/Restaraunts/Cafes only?

[Cherie]

Has anyone suggesting locking down restaurants/pubs been to one since they reopened, they seem like the safest places to socialise :shrug:

Shut down house parties and big family gatherings more like

[Cherie]

I do find that a bit hyperbolic to be honest, even among the very elderly the death rate is not 100%, its more like 10 - 20% for the elderly as an overall group.

Literally, they had covid in the care home my neighbour is in and no one died

[bots]

the biggest influencer to the numbers was opening up schools again, and yet everyone is hell bent on keeping them open. I think if we want society to return to normal we have to accept the high numbers and get on with protecting the vulnerable. There isn't any other sensible solution

[Scarlett.]

the biggest influencer to the numbers was opening up schools again, and yet everyone is hell bent on keeping them open. I think if we want society to return to normal we have to accept the high numbers and get on with protecting the vulnerable. There isn't any other sensible solution

But the high numbers means the NHS will be overwhelmed and more people will die, and not just of COVID

[bots]

But the high numbers means the NHS will be overwhelmed and more people will die, and not just of COVID

no, not at all, the high admissions come when it spreads to those who are vulnerable ... most folk shrug off the virus so the numbers mean nothing in that sense. Shielding the vulnerable in a targeted way is the only viable solution over the winter

[Cherie]

the biggest influencer to the numbers was opening up schools again, and yet everyone is hell bent on keeping them open. I think if we want society to return to normal we have to accept the high numbers and get on with protecting the vulnerable. There isn't any other sensible solution

BOTs for Health Secretary

[Tom4784]

If people who have spent their lives studying illnesses and medicine are saying the best thing to do is to lockdown, then I'll take that advice over the words of a failed political leader who hates the NHS and can't see beyond his own nose.

[Scarlett.]

no, not at all, the high admissions come when it spreads to those who are vulnerable ... most folk shrug off the virus so the numbers mean nothing in that sense. Shielding the vulnerable in a targeted way is the only viable solution over the winter

Hospital admissions are already beginning to rise, Matt Hancock says they're doubling every 8 days

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/09/18/13/33333650-8746817-image-a-2_1600432680055.jpg

[Nicky91]

BOTs for Health Secretary

+1

agree, and i give in i went too far with my ''armed military force'' suggestion

[bots]

Hospital admissions are already beginning to rise, Matt Hancock says they're doubling every 8 days

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/09/18/13/33333650-8746817-image-a-2_1600432680055.jpg

yeah, and shielding of vulnerable people has also just stopped ... and we wonder why the number of hospital cases is rising? Shield our vulnerable citizens effectively and the numbers in hospital with covid will remain low

[Crimson Dynamo]

hospital admissions always go up in autumn dont they?

[Cherie]

Are any other European countries thinking of having another national lockdown?

[Cherie]

+1

agree, and i give in i went too far with my ''armed military force'' suggestion

:laugh:

[Nicky91]

Are any other European countries thinking of having another national lockdown?

no, more local lockdowns i guess

Netherlands more hoping for quick testing to pull off as a breakthrough in slowing down the spread, if we got a better view on whoever is infected we might be more easier to control it

nothing about a national lockdown here anyway, only thing what we aim for is regain control again over the virus until the vaccine is there (then not everyone maybe required to get that, we still think about ''herd immunity'' if we can get a specific amount of people vaccinated we might be able to use that as a shield for elderly, vulnerable)

[user104658]

the biggest influencer to the numbers was opening up schools again, and yet everyone is hell bent on keeping them open.

It wasn't though, as Scottish schools went back a full 3 weeks before English schools, but cases started increasing across the board in Scotland and England at exactly the same time. The factor causing the increase, thinking sensibly, HAS to be something that is "the same" and happened at the same time across both.

[Nicky91]

closing pubs at one specific time doesn't make too much difference

i mean here pubs/cafes/bars have to close at 0:00 rather than 1:00 at night

what a mess of a government here if they believe 1 hour earlier closing time will make a difference and slow down the spread :skull:

[joeysteele]

She's been great throughout. Far better than Boris

She has been indeed.
All the way through

Still shows respect too to those for lives of loved ones lost.

For me, she's been the only REAL leader across the UK.

[Tom4784]

She's been great throughout. Far better than Boris

She's a capable leader, which I've been missing in England given the slate we've had from the Tories over the last decade.

[bots]

The factor causing the increase, thinking sensibly, HAS to be something that is "the same" and happened at the same time across both.

ahhhh you are right it was diversity's dance routine that did it :fist:

[Kizzy]

If people who have spent their lives studying illnesses and medicine are saying the best thing to do is to lockdown, then I'll take that advice over the worlds of a failed political leader who hates the NHS and can't see beyond his own nose.

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[joeysteele]

If people who have spent their lives studying illnesses and medicine are saying the best thing to do is to lockdown, then I'll take that advice over the words of a failed political leader who hates the NHS and can't see beyond his own nose.

Me too.
No doubt on that at all.

[user104658]

ahhhh you are right it was diversity's dance routine that did it :fist:

More likely to have been the release of the Meghan and Harry biography, I would have thought.