Alesha Dixon’s Black Lives Matter necklace on BGT sparks complaints...

[Ammi]

...I mentioned in the other thread that it would be interesting to se IF.../...and IF has become...yes, some complaints received...


Some 1,675 complaints have been made about last weekend’s Britain’s Got Talent episode, which saw judge Alesha Dixon wear a Black Lives Matter necklace.

Broadcasting watchdog Ofcom said the majority of the complaints related to Dixon’s three-tier necklace, which featured the letters B, L and M in gold.

An Ofcom spokeswoman said: “We are assessing these complaints against our broadcasting rules, but are yet to decide whether or not to investigate.”

Following Saturday night’s pre-recorded show, Dixon shared a video on Instagram showing the necklace in full as she applied make-up.

It comes after Diversity’s dance routine on the ITV show, inspired by the anti-racism movement, sparked more than 24,500 complaints to Ofcom as of last week.

The routine saw a dancer playing a white police officer kneel on Ashley Banjo, echoing the killing of unarmed black man George Floyd in US, while other dancers performed with police riot shields.

As Banjo lay on the floor while the police officer handcuffed him, other dancers crowded around with smartphones as if to film and take photos of the incident.

...full article...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/alesha-dixon-black-lives-matter-173216114.html

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/EbunJoseph1/status/1307633762612715520

exactly


lol if people are that easily triggered about a necklace :laugh3:

[Kizzy]

So what's the excuse this time?.. can't be the artistic representation of violence, so what's upset a handful of viewers now?

[Nicky91]

So what's the excuse this time?.. can't be the artistic representation of violence, so what's upset a handful of viewers now?

no excuses, just shows how pathetically easily triggered GBP viewers are

britain doesn't deserve light entertainment shows anymore if public cannot keep their mouths shut

[Ammi]

no excuses, just shows how pathetically easily triggered GBP viewers are

britain doesn't deserve light entertainment shows anymore if public cannot keep their mouths shut

...most GBP viewers don’t complain though, Nicky...it can’t be generalised like that...we do deserve light entertainment, please don’t take that from us because that wouldn’t be deserved...:sad:..

[Nicky91]

...most GBP viewers don’t complain though, Nicky...it can’t be generalised like that...we do deserve light entertainment, please don’t take that from us because that wouldn’t be deserved...:sad:..

true, but those who do complain can better no longer watch anything on tv :laugh:

[bots]

i don't watch the show, so i don't care .... she certainly hasnt broken any broadcasting guidelines to my knowledge. People can and will complain about anything, and they do .... it doesn't affect me

[Nicky91]

i don't watch the show, so i don't care .... she certainly hasnt broken any broadcasting guidelines to my knowledge. People can and will complain about anything, and they do .... it doesn't affect me

because they love the attention they can seek with it

[Nicky91]

cannot remember if people in my country ever complain about shows here lol

[Jordan.]

Didn't anyone tell the racists ofcom didn't give a ****e the first time they complained about BLM :shame:

[Cherie]

people complained about Hollys excessive boobage on DOI, they will literally complain about anything, its too easy to do it online, if they had to post a letter Ofcom would be out of business

[Tom4784]

Racists gonna racist, I guess. Stay triggered by three letters.

[Nicky91]

people complained about Hollys excessive boobage on DOI, they will literally complain about anything, its too easy to do it online, if they had to post a letter Ofcom would be out of business

also typing is easier than writing :fan:

[The Slim Reaper]

people complained about Hollys excessive boobage on DOI, they will literally complain about anything, its too easy to do it online, if they had to post a letter Ofcom would be out of business

I ate those blaks doin the dancing fing . britis and prowd.


sincereally yours


dave from soufend

[user104658]

people complained about Hollys excessive boobage on DOI, they will literally complain about anything, its too easy to do it online, if they had to post a letter Ofcom would be out of business

That's a good point you know - make it mail-in only. Even with a freepost address, only people who are really determined to make a complaint would bother so it would be more likely to be an actual serious complaint, and not just a load of people following a link that got sent 'round twitter.

[Cherie]

That's a good point you know - make it mail-in only. Even with a freepost address, only people who are really determined to make a complaint would bother so it would be more likely to be an actual serious complaint, and not just a load of people following a link that got sent 'round twitter.

yep

walk to the postbox! I don't think so!

[Cherie]

also typing is easier than writing :fan:

:fan:

[arista]

She is a Bloody Trouble Maker.

[The Slim Reaper]

.............and in comes Arista to reframe it.

[Barry.]

I don’t mind as she isn’t bringing it to our attention, as in not pointing at it and screaming BLM!!! I don’t get why people complained, again.

[bots]

.............and in comes Arista to reframe it.

bitch

[Cherie]

Amanda will be fuming, she is usually the one who gets complained about with her revealing outfits :laugh:

[The Slim Reaper]

bitch

Cocky bitch; get it right.

[The Slim Reaper]

Did anyone cry when she wore a crucifix? Any Jews, Muslims, or atheists feel the need to complain?

Anyone ever complained about a gospel act or song?

[Niamh.]

On what grounds were they complaining? People are allowed to wear Poppies etc so why not a BLM necklace?

[Liam-]

On what grounds were they complaining? People are allowed to wear Poppies etc so why not a BLM necklace?

Oh god, don’t open the poppies can of worms

[The Slim Reaper]

On what grounds were they complaining? People are allowed to wear Poppies etc so why not a BLM necklace?

Because everything we've ever done militarily has been perfect in the eyes of the gallahads that have an issue with black people trying to claim equal rights.

[Niamh.]

Oh god, don’t open the poppies can of worms

I know, I know but people generally don't even get to chose to not wear a poppy if they don't want to, the amount of backlash you'd get for not wearing one

[Dogeatdog]

It actually amazes me that there’s people out there that will complain about a necklace someone wore on a TV program?? :confused:

[Jake.]

If you’re complaining because of a BLM necklace, you really need to have a think about the kind of person you are

[Josy]

no excuses, just shows how pathetically easily triggered GBP viewers are



britain doesn't deserve light entertainment shows anymore if public cannot keep their mouths shutGive it a rest with blanket insults nicky

[Nicky91]

Give it a rest with blanket insults nicky

one post after that one i sorted that out, i meant the ones complaining to no longer watch entertainment shows


it's really getting too silly these complaints

[Strictly Jake]

If you look on her insta. The comments on her photo of it are ridiculously racist! Its awful

[Epic.]

Oh well, at the end of the day it's those racists looking like the fools in the end

[Epic.]

It actually amazes me that there’s people out there that will complain about a necklace someone wore on a TV program?? :confused:

And these same people are the same types to use the word snowflakes about others. Strange world :laugh:

[Ramsay]

And these same people are the same types to use the word snowflakes about others. Strange world :laugh:

The ironing is delicious

[Ammi]

The ironing is delicious

...do you recall the little ironing smilie that Niamh would keep and post now and again...

[Tony Montana]

Some people are so pathetic smh.

[Dogeatdog]

And these same people are the same types to use the word snowflakes about others. Strange world :laugh:

Ridiculous ain’t it? :laugh:

[user104658]

If you look on her insta. The comments on her photo of it are ridiculously racist! Its awfulRacism??? On social media????

[Swan]

00.01% people watching complained. Actually rather encouraging imo.

[Liam-]

‘We not racist, we just don’t like black things being forced upon us!!’

‘We’re not racist, we just don’t like abbreviated jewellery forced upon us!!’

[Beso]

I ate those blaks doin the dancing fing . britis and prowd.


sincereally yours


dave from soufend

https://www.facebook.com/DavidJHarrisJr/videos/283721706022746/?extid=3L3jMD1H0kms0YZj

[The Slim Reaper]

https://www.facebook.com/DavidJHarrisJr/videos/283721706022746/?extid=3L3jMD1H0kms0YZj

????

Defund the police has nothing to do with this thread, and it's also primarily an American thing. If you want to have a genuine conversation about the differences between the UK and the US in this matter; what defund the police actually means, and why it is more applicable to the US, then I'm all in, we can have that conversation, but I don't really think that's what you want.

[Beso]

????

Defund the police has nothing to do with this thread, and it's also primarily an American thing. If you want to have a genuine conversation about the differences between the UK and the US in this matter; what defund the police actually means, and why it is more applicable to the US, then I'm all in, we can have that conversation, but I don't really think that's what you want.


I'm pointing out that it isnt always dave from southend that complains about blm...I know you love trying to point out it is in a rather unfunny and pathetically childish way, bit it's not...no matter how much you think it is..

[The Slim Reaper]

I'm pointing out that it isnt always dave from southend that complains about blm...I know you love trying to point out it is in a rather unfunny and pathetically childish way, bit it's not...no matter how much you think it is..

You think black people might have been emailing ofcom about her necklace?

If you go back a page I also brought up the time she wore a crucifix and no one said anything.


Personally, if I was in a glass house I wouldn't be throwing stones at anyone with accusations of being childish or pathetic, but unfunny is both fair and accurate.

[Beso]

You think black people might have been emailing ofcom about her necklace? .

You think white illiterate people did, so why not?

[The Slim Reaper]

You think white illiterate people did, so why not?

I also think 2+2=4. That doesn't mean that 7+6 is too. If you have anything to add, great, if not, I think our little dalliance has taken enough time up in here.

[thesheriff443]

People are within their rights to complain.

I’m not upset by Alisha wearing the necklace would of liked it better if she wrote it on her chest with red ink.

[Beso]

I also think 2+2=4. That doesn't mean that 7+6 is too. If you have anything to add, great, if not, I think our little dalliance has taken enough time up in here.

Congrats on taking the moral high ground after adding an imaginary letter of complaint...what did that add to the discussion?

[Nicky91]

You think white illiterate people did, so why not?

of course white people made those complaints


black people wouldn't complain since subject is their cause

[The Slim Reaper]

Congrats on taking the moral high ground after adding an imaginary letter of complaint...what did that add to the discussion?

No parm, you obviously wanted to trade insults and I just didn't want to go down that route.

[Swan]

of course white people made those complaints


black people wouldn't complain since subject is their cause

It's no secret there are lots of black people against BLM Nicky. It's silly to assume every complainer was white. What about Asian, black etc. Though it's fair to say the majority were most likely white.

[Beso]

No parm, you obviously wanted to trade insults and I just didn't want to go down that route.

You are wrong again...I posted a video to show it isnt always white people who are against blm after you posted dave from saffends letter, which you then decided to jump upon..

Stating what you thought my aims were..you posted this catty remark at the end of your first post to me..

"we can have that conversation, but I don't really think that's what you want"

You still foolishly hold that belief by the sounds of it, merely cause j posted a video showing a black person can be against blm as well..


You are the one with the problem mate.

[Nicky91]

It's no secret there are lots of black people against BLM Nicky. It's silly to assume every complainer was white. What about Asian, black etc. Though it's fair to say the majority were most likely white.

then they are hypocrites to be against their own cause

[Ammi]

...I’m not sure that I would consider equality of all a ‘cause’ as such...but yeah, it would be strange to think that someone/anyone would have a mindset of...no, our lives don’t matter so much, they’re a bit less than...

[Nicky91]

...I’m not sure that I would consider equality of all a ‘cause’ as such...but yeah, it would be strange to think that someone/anyone would have a mindset of...no, our lives don’t matter so much, they’re a bit less than...

well we need to fight the racists first of all, they need their karma

and BLM is good to fight racism

[AnnieK]

I agree with Ammi....I can't see members of the Black community disagreeing that Black Lives Matter, they may disagree with some of the actions of a small group of people but I would have thought to have any self worth they must agree that they deserve the equality

[Nicky91]

I agree with Ammi....I can't see members of the Black community disagreeing that Black Lives Matter, they may disagree with some of the actions of a small group of people but I would have thought to have any self worth they must agree that they deserve the equality

the looting and vandalising is being done by undercover cops trying to bring down BLM ;)

the small group of people who bring negativity onto the cause

[Swan]

the looting and vandalising is being done by undercover cops trying to bring down BLM ;)

the small group of people who bring negativity onto the cause

:facepalm:

[Tom4784]

Facepalm all you want, there's a pattern of vandalism and crimes committed at protests being done by white supremacists. In most places where protests turned violent, you can bet there was a white supremacist at the heart of it.

The vast majority of protests are peaceful because they aren't sabotaged.

[Tom4784]

Also you won't get many black people outside the likes of Candace Owens who only has a career so white republicans can be like 'look, we aren't racist, a black person agrees with us!' who disagree with BLM. It's the same with LGBT people, you have a number of gays in republican pockets simply because it makes them look less homophobic.

Right Wing commentators will say the lines they are paid to say but most others won't oppose BLM because they've lived experiencing why they need change.

[Swan]

Facepalm all you want, there's a pattern of vandalism and crimes committed at protests being done by white supremacists. In most places where protests turned violent, you can bet there was a white supremacist at the heart of it.

The vast majority of protests are peaceful because they aren't sabotaged.

zpNx_xoh6Iw

All undercover cops and white supremacists? I know you wont watch, but it's pretty clear what's happening in the video.

[The Slim Reaper]

You are wrong again...I posted a video to show it isnt always white people who are against blm after you posted dave from saffends letter, which you then decided to jump upon..

Stating what you thought my aims were..you posted this catty remark at the end of your first post to me..

"we can have that conversation, but I don't really think that's what you want"

You still foolishly hold that belief by the sounds of it, merely cause j posted a video showing a black person can be against blm as well..


You are the one with the problem mate.

I moved away from the conversation when you decided to start calling me pathetic and childish. Nothing more complicated than that.

[Tom4784]

zpNx_xoh6Iw

All undercover cops and white supremacists? I know you wont watch, but it's pretty clear what's happening in the video.

Ah, it's okay, police reports from across the US that blame white supremacy for riots and violence in protests have all been proven wrong because Swan has posted an edited compilation footage from Youtube!

You should ask yourself why you are so intent on trying to discredit people protesting police brutality.

[Swan]

Ah, it's okay, police reports from across the US that blame white supremacy for riots and violence in protests have all been proven wrong because Swan has posted an edited compilation footage from Youtube!

You should ask yourself why you are so intent on trying to discredit people protesting police brutality.

Im all for the decent, honest people fighting police brutality, never said otherwise. But it's pretty obvious you've not watched the video, it's not edited to manipulate, it's just a compilation of clips where people are stealing clothes, electronics, guns, and various other stuff. Also of people needlessly smashing up shops and and property.

If you wanna blame that kind of behaviour on white supremacy, and/or right wingers that's up to you.

[Oliver_W]

You can acknowledge that black lives matter and simultaneously not like the rioting which has been attributed to them (and unless you look on every corner of the net you'd have no reason to doubt the attributions are rightful) and also dislike their links to communism (https://nypost.com/2020/09/17/blm-co-founder-teams-up-with-chinese-advocacy-group/). Disliking the movement of Black Lives Matter isn't the same as saying that black lives don't matter.

[Tom4784]

Im all for the decent, honest people fighting police brutality, never said otherwise. But it's pretty obvious you've not watched the video, it's not edited to manipulate, it's just a compilation of clips where people are stealing clothes, electronics, guns, and various other stuff. Also of people needlessly smashing up shops and and property.

If you wanna blame that kind of behaviour on white supremacy, and/or right wingers that's up to you.

You know what they say about assumptions, Swan. I watched it, and saw it was exactly what I said it was the first 1,000 times you posted this video as an argument.

Yes, I will blame the violence on the racists, that is the correct outcome in this conversation. For every protest that gets sabotaged to violence, there are hundreds of peaceful protest without any racist interference. But by all means, make out that I'm just believing what I want to believe, you obviously know more about this then the police that investigated cases of violence throughout the protests that all led back to racist interference.

[Tom4784]

You can acknowledge that black lives matter and simultaneously not like the rioting which has been attributed to them (and unless you look on every corner of the net you'd have no reason to doubt the attributions are rightful) and also dislike their links to communism (https://nypost.com/2020/09/17/blm-co-founder-teams-up-with-chinese-advocacy-group/). Disliking the movement of Black Lives Matter isn't the same as saying that black lives don't matter.

A bad faith statement on your part since you've made it abundantly clear in other posts on this matter that you care more about buildings and things over lives.

[Swan]

You know what they say about assumptions, Swan. I watched it, and saw it was exactly what I said it was the first 1,000 times you posted this video as an argument.

Yes, I will blame the violence on the racists, that is the correct outcome in this conversation. For every protest that gets sabotaged to violence, there are hundreds of peaceful protest without any racist interference. But by all means, make out that I'm just believing what I want to believe, you obviously know more about this then the police that investigated cases of violence throughout the protests that all led back to racist interference.

How do you feel about the people breaking into shops and stealing 6 of the same jackets, 10 of the same jeans etc? Or using a pick up truck to break into a gun shop, and stealing hundreds of guns?

[user104658]

Rioting and looting is a symptom of civil unrest and has been since there was a civilisation to be unrestful. It's just an inevitability of prolonged protest and should be viewed as a side-issue; it makes no difference in terms of discussing the reasons for the original protesting, though people will be more than happy to use it as a distraction.

Small groups of opportunistic people will use the cover of civil unrest to carry out selfish actions. You can acknowledge that but it's not really a key issue... It's just dolphins surfing the wake of a ship.

[Oliver_W]

A bad faith statement on your part since you've made it abundantly clear in other posts on this matter that you care more about buildings and things over lives.
Nope, never said that. I said that a murder doesn't excuse a riot.

You know what they say about assumptions, Swan. I watched it, and saw it was exactly what I said it was the first 1,000 times you posted this video as an argument.

Yes, I will blame the violence on the racists, that is the correct outcome in this conversation. For every protest that gets sabotaged to violence, there are hundreds of peaceful protest without any racist interference. But by all means, make out that I'm just believing what I want to believe, you obviously know more about this then the police that investigated cases of violence throughout the protests that all led back to racist interference.
Okay, let's assume that X amount of the riots were triggered by saboteurs. Everyone who joined in with the riots and looting are still to blame. Everyone is responsible for their own actions. Whether they initially went there to peacefully protest or with the intention to cause trouble, it all goes out the window when the rioting starts. White supremacists, AntiFa, BLM, whoever - they're to blame for taking part.

[Kizzy]

I think a murder is an excellent reason for a riot...especially if those doing the murdering are in the business of law enforcement. ..

Protests peaceful or otherwise are a gauge of public feeling, how are the public feeling about this?
Throughout history there have been violent and non violent protests and riots for noble causes, and for things that the modern day take for granted.
They are sometimes necessary. .. when all other avenues have been exhausted. Of course they're not ideal, but can everyone hand on heart say they are never warranted? Imo no.

[Oliver_W]

If they took their riots to the police stations or City Hall (if that's the right term :laugh: ) I might well be in support. Take it to the perpetrators!

But the level of destruction is inexcusable; pardon the anecdotal evidence but a twitter "friend" of mine lives in Chicago, and the riots left him without available food or medication for at least five miles.

You'd be hard-pressed to find anyone sane who agrees with the police murdering people, but it'd be just as hard to find anyone who thinks a riot which achieved nothing but a food desert was worth it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think a murder is an excellent reason for a riot...especially if those doing the murdering are in the business of law enforcement. ..

Protests peaceful or otherwise are a gauge of public feeling, how are the public feeling about this?
Throughout history there have been violent and non violent protests and riots for noble causes, and for things that the modern day take for granted.
They are sometimes necessary. .. when all other avenues have been exhausted. Of course they're not ideal, but can everyone hand on heart say they are never warranted? Imo no.

which "murder" are you referring to that has gone to court and been confirmed?

[Swan]

I think a murder is an excellent reason for a riot...especially if those doing the murdering are in the business of law enforcement. ..

Protests peaceful or otherwise are a gauge of public feeling, how are the public feeling about this?
Throughout history there have been violent and non violent protests and riots for noble causes, and for things that the modern day take for granted.
They are sometimes necessary. .. when all other avenues have been exhausted. Of course they're not ideal, but can everyone hand on heart say they are never warranted? Imo no.

If they took their riots to the police stations or City Hall (if that's the right term :laugh: ) I might well be in support. Take it to the perpetrators!

But the level of destruction is inexcusable; pardon the anecdotal evidence but a twitter "friend" of mine lives in Chicago, and the riots left him without available food or medication for at least five miles.

You'd be hard-pressed to find anyone sane who agrees with the police murdering people, but it'd be just as hard to find anyone who thinks a riot which achieved nothing but a food desert was worth it.

What Oliver said. No need in destroying small business and livelihoods of those you are supposedly fighting for. Take the riot to the criminals, the guilty, the murderers. If that were the case, i don't think there'd be much of an issue. Yet it's mainly the innocent who suffer.

[Tom4784]

When the police officers that murdered Breonna Taylor get charged for the bullets that didn't hit her but not the ones that killed her, people are going to get angry and white supremacists will stir up that anger with violence.

[Oliver_W]

When the police officers that murdered Breonna Taylor get charged for the bullets that didn't hit her but not the ones that killed her, people are going to get angry and white supremacists will stir up that anger with violence.

Okay, Mystic Meg.

Maybe the protests will organically turn into riots. To say that every BLM protest was pushed further by white supremacistsis as daft as saying none were. And no amount of righteous anger should be used as an excuse to follow whoever gets it going.

[Crimson Dynamo]

No one murdered the Taylor girl that is spreading misinformation in the thread.

The court in the county in which she lived have already decided on this case. Heed the law.

[Oliver_W]

No one murdered the Taylor girl that is spreading misinformation in the thread.

The court in the county in which she lived have already decided on this case. Heed the law.

Regardless of whatever the courts are currently saying, I think it could easily be called manslaughter. If I'm remember it correctly, the cops fired into a "blind spot" where she'd been standing, I think there was a partition or something? So was shot and killed by a cop, who wasn't intending to kill her?

[Tom4784]

Okay, Mystic Meg.

Maybe the protests will organically turn into riots. To say that every BLM protest was pushed further by white supremacistsis as daft as saying none were. And no amount of righteous anger should be used as an excuse to follow whoever gets it going.

I'm not making predictions here, remember all those news stories I've shown you multiple times that stated the same things are happening in different states but you keep pretending to have not seen that and keep acting like I'm some fraud because you can't handle acknowledging something that doesn't go with your agenda. Also you are acting in complete bad faith by twisting my words and making out that I'm speaking in absolutes when I'm not. Argue against what I'm saying, not what you desperately want me to have said so you can edit it to suit your narrative.

Some opportunists will spoil things, some people will let their anger reign and considering the situation, I think that's very ****ing understandable, but that doesn't change the fact that a lot of police departments are saying the same thing, that violence is often spurred on by extremist right wing and white supremacist people which is why most protests are peaceful, but they don't serve your purpose so you won't acknowledge them.

[Tom4784]

Also murder is murder, if anyone tries to argue against Breonna Taylor's murder not being murder then they're doing so for racial reasons because they don't want to admit the police murdered a black woman and it's easier for them to believe the black woman did something to deserve it.

They burst into her house unannounced, shot her up and then arrested the boyfriend for making use of his second amendment rights to defend his home and his girlfriend against unknown intruders. Then, after months of people demanding justice for her, the state charges the officers for the shots that didn't kill her.

[Beso]

Also murder is murder, if anyone tries to argue against Breonna Taylor's murder not being murder then they're doing so for racial reasons because they don't want to admit the police murdered a black woman and it's easier for them to believe the black woman did something to deserve it.

They burst into her house unannounced, shot her up and then arrested the boyfriend for making use of his second amendment rights to defend his home and his girlfriend against unknown intruders. Then, after months of people demanding justice for her, the state charges the officers for the shots that didn't kill her.


How do you know all this dezzy?

[Oliver_W]

I'm not making predictions here, remember all those news stories I've shown you multiple times that stated the same things are happening in different states but you keep pretending to have not seen that and keep acting like I'm some fraud because you can't handle acknowledging something that doesn't go with your agenda. Also you are acting in complete bad faith by twisting my words and making out that I'm speaking in absolutes when I'm not. Argue against what I'm saying, not what you desperately want me to have said so you can edit it to suit your narrative.

Some opportunists will spoil things, some people will let their anger reign and considering the situation, I think that's very ****ing understandable, but that doesn't change the fact that a lot of police departments are saying the same thing, that violence is often spurred on by extremist right wing and white supremacist people which is why most protests are peaceful, but they don't serve your purpose so you won't acknowledge them.

I don't have an agenda beyond "they're all scum", when it comes to rioters. Maybe the protests get sabotaged, maybe not. But either way, the former protesters who join in with the riots are entirely culpable for their own actions, whether they're following a white supremacist without knowing it, or whether they just happen to be violent.

Your list of links included people handing out leaflets and distributing stickers, putting paper in unwelcome places doesn't belong in the same conversation as rioting and looting. Unless you think they'd have behaved like human beings until they read some words on a bit of paper?

I don't need to acknowledge peaceful protests because they were never part of the conversation :shrug: riots and protests don't need to be lumped in with each other.

[Marsh.]

Maybe the protests get sabotaged, maybe not. But either way

So, you're basically saying sabotaged or not they're to blame? Kind of shown your hand there. :joker:

[Oliver_W]

So, you're basically saying sabotaged or not they're to blame? Kind of shown your hand there. :joker:

I'm saying every individual is to blame for their own actions. They don't have to join in when things turn nasty, it's their choice to do so.

[Swan]

I'm saying every individual is to blame for their own actions. They don't have to join in when things turn nasty, it's their choice to do so.

That's too a 'logical way of thinking' post Oliver, irrational thoughts only please.

Looters steal clothes and guns, ruin innocent folks livelihoods = Right Wing too blame, they started it etc etc etc :laugh:

[Kizzy]

Essentially though it should not negate your right to support a movement because some people choose to break the law.

It does not detract from the the original sentiment or from your right to promote its core values.

[Kazanne]

How do you know all this dezzy?

Well I heard she was shot by accident they weren't after her,who knows the real truth ?:wavey::wavey:

[user104658]

I don't particularly believe the conspiracy theory that "all" or even a large number of the protests that turn into riots are because they were secretly infiltrated by white supremacists who lit the kindling. I'm sure it happens, but it will be a relatively small number of the total incidents, and we should be wary of buying into the "twitter detective work" showing sneaky shadowy figures frequently being behing civil unrest while everyone else was behaving themselves and would have continued that way. It's just overly convenient nonsense, really, and a bit too easy (when riots are widespread) to collect together a half dozen clips or examples of it happening and use those to suggest that it's happening in every case.


Essentially though it should not negate your right to support a movement because some people choose to break the law.


That's my thoughts on it really, rioting and looting are a standard symptom of civil unrest, be that people getting caught up in violence or people who have little care for the cause using it as a cover for looting, it's literally ALWAYS been a feature of large protests, you can see it in pretty much every ancient culture (Romans, Greeks et al) ... it's just what ends up happening. It doesn't change the reasons for the protest, nor lessen them, nor does it mean people shouldn't protest out of "fear" that a number of people will go too far. Lumping all protesters in with the percentage that are lighting fires and smashing windows is an easy way for those being protested against to shut the whole thing down. Essentially, if you're in power, you have to accept that if you have an angry and unhappy population they're going to start breaking **** and wailing about "personal responsibility" isn't good enough. Yes they have personal responsibility, no rioting is not a good idea, yes anyone looting should face legal consequences... but that doesn't change the fact that if you've got rioting and looting in your cities, the people in power have ****ed up.

[Marsh.]

I'm saying every individual is to blame for their own actions. They don't have to join in when things turn nasty, it's their choice to do so.

I read the first time I didn't need a repeat.

[Tom4784]

How do you know all this dezzy?

Because I can read and have kept up with the facts of the case, instead of assuming she did something wrong and that the police are beyond blame for their own actions.

[Crimson Dynamo]

she wasnt murdered

the court has decided on this

having heard all the evidence

case closed

[Tom4784]

I don't have an agenda beyond "they're all scum", when it comes to rioters. Maybe the protests get sabotaged, maybe not. But either way, the former protesters who join in with the riots are entirely culpable for their own actions, whether they're following a white supremacist without knowing it, or whether they just happen to be violent.

Your list of links included people handing out leaflets and distributing stickers, putting paper in unwelcome places doesn't belong in the same conversation as rioting and looting. Unless you think they'd have behaved like human beings until they read some words on a bit of paper?

I don't need to acknowledge peaceful protests because they were never part of the conversation :shrug: riots and protests don't need to be lumped in with each other.

Here he goes again, choosing to ignore the links that detailed how white supremacists were behind violence in several protests to focus on the one link that benefits his agenda. Common sense dictates that, if you ignore several different things telling you the same thing to focus on the one thing that's more pleasing to your ears, you're probably in the wrong.

You keep going on about the evils of violence and vandalism but you are intent on scrubbing clean anything related to white supremacist violence and vandalism, of which there is a lot. Why are you so focused on minimising white supremacist incidents but you're so keen to amplify anything, whether it's true or not, that discredits and paints BLM in a bad light?

You should ask yourself if you are stood on the right side of history in this matter.

[Tom4784]

She was intentionally shot to death by police that broke into her home unannounced while she was asleep. That sounds like murder to me, might not sound like murder to someone intent on making out a paramedic to be a drug dealer just because she's black though.

[Tom4784]

That's too a 'logical way of thinking' post Oliver, irrational thoughts only please.

Looters steal clothes and guns, ruin innocent folks livelihoods = Right Wing too blame, they started it etc etc etc :laugh:

Read what I said to Oliver and apply it to yourself. Ask yourself some serious questions.

[Josy]

she wasnt murdered

the court has decided on this

having heard all the evidence

case closed

That's not for you to tell people tbf

Courts have got cases wrong many many times and even wrongfully imprisoned tons of people who then get convictions overturned

So if you feel the case is closed then the thread probably isnt for you but you dont have the right to tell others what to think of it or not to discuss it etc

[Kizzy]

Exactly, I hope the family can appeal.

[Crimson Dynamo]

That's not for you to tell people tbf

Courts have got cases wrong many many times and even wrongfully imprisoned tons of people who then get convictions overturned

So if you feel the case is closed then the thread probably isnt for you but you dont have the right to tell others what to think of it or not to discuss it etc
A grand jury is simply a legal procedure to determine if there is sufficient evidence in a criminal matter to reasonably result in a conviction at a criminal trial. No findings are made on points of fact or law. Grand Jury proceedings are secret, therefore records can not be made possible to even consider an appeal.

[Josy]

A grand jury is simply a legal procedure to determine if there is sufficient evidence in a criminal matter to reasonably result in a conviction at a criminal trial. No findings are made on points of fact or law. Grand Jury proceedings are secret, therefore records can not be made possible to even consider an appeal.Doesnt mean they are always correct, human error happens at all levels

[bots]

Cases are re-opened all the time, the fact that there may not have been the evidence available at the time for an indictment, doesn't mean that there can't be in the future. It was not a trial

[Crimson Dynamo]

and if the officer had been found guilty of murder would anyone be making these points?

i suspect not

(just my opinion of course)

[Kizzy]

and if the officer had been found guilty of murder would anyone be making these points?

i suspect not

(just my opinion of course)

Well no because there would have been some justice served.

Nobody should be allowed to break into a perfectly innocent persons home and shoot them in their bed, not even an on duty police officer... especially not an officer, as they are more aware than most of the rule of law.

[Crimson Dynamo]

well no because there would have been some justice served.

Nobody should be allowed to break into a perfectly innocent persons home and shoot them in their bed, not even an on duty police officer... Especially not an officer, as they are more aware than most of the rule of law.

they had a search warrant issued by a judge

[arista]

Tonight it was not on her neck


She is a Trouble maker

[user104658]

Insufficient evidence of guilt =/= evidence of innocence. I don't know what people find so hard to understand about that, it's a pretty simple piece of the legal puzzle.

In all honesty in this case I think the evidence points to manslaughter through extreme recklessness and professional negligence but honestly, when we're talking about heavily armed and supposedly trained individuals, I actually find that much ****ing scarier than an intentional killing. "It's not out fault! We didn't MEAN to shoot an innocent woman, we just blunder around with guns blazing and sometimes random people get hit by the bullets OK??"

That kind of negligence leading to a death is EASILY justification for a sentence as harsh as murder, in my opinion.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Insufficient evidence of guilt =/= evidence of innocence. I don't know what people find so hard to understand about that, it's a pretty simple piece of the legal puzzle.

In all honesty in this case I think the evidence points to manslaughter through extreme recklessness and professional negligence but honestly, when we're talking about heavily armed and supposedly trained individuals, I actually find that much ****ing scarier than an intentional killing. "It's not out fault! We didn't MEAN to shoot an innocent woman, we just blunder around with guns blazing and sometimes random people get hit by the bullets OK??"

That kind of negligence leading to a death is EASILY justification for a sentence as harsh as murder, in my opinion.

How much of the trial evidence did you read?

[Cherie]

Amanda had her breasts out tonight so Ofcom will be busy tomorrow

[AnnieK]

Amanda had her breasts out tonight so Ofcom will be busy tomorrow

The tape on that dress to hold it where it should be looked painful

[Cherie]

The tape on that dress to hold it where it should be looked painful

It looked really uncomfortable, don’t know why she puts herself through that

[Nicky91]

Amanda had her breasts out tonight so Ofcom will be busy tomorrow

if you complain about a silly necklace, you can also validly complain about that yes

there is children watching this show

[Oliver_W]

It does sound more like manslaughter, because they were returning fire after Taylor's boyfriend shot at them, as he thought they were intruders. But they fired blind, as she was standing behind a covered patio thing, which is why she was hit.

[bots]

murder has to be intentional, and that wasn't. George Floyd was murder to my mind

[Cherie]

It does sound more like manslaughter, because they were returning fire after Taylor's boyfriend shot at them, as he thought they were intruders. But they fired blind, as she was standing behind a covered patio thing, which is why she was hit.

I don’t think Alesha’s necklace shot anyone

[bots]

I don’t think Alesha’s necklace shot anyone

it shot everyone with a bolt of self righteousness :laugh:

[Liam-]

murder has to be intentional, and that wasn't. George Floyd was murder to my mind

Well leaving someone to bleed out for 20 minutes without calling for medical help can be classified as murder

[Cherie]

it shot everyone with a bolt of self righteousness :laugh:

:laugh:

[bots]

Well leaving someone to bleed out for 20 minutes without calling for medical help can be classified as murder

no it cant, you are making it up as you go along. The problem was with the no knock warrant, which has now been withdrawn in that state

[Nicky91]

murder has to be intentional, and that wasn't. George Floyd was murder to my mind

yes i also believe George Floyd death was a murder

i mean the man shouted i can't breathe 20 times, the man was apprehended by that cop and he kept his knee on top of him

Breonna, well i am gonna be controversial here, umm i think her boyfriend can be blamed for her death, fatally endangering her by being possession of a weapon, being on record with law enforcement

the cop pulled the trigger, but his criminal past is what led the police to that house

[Liam-]

no it cant, you are making it up as you go along. The problem was with the no knock warrant, which has now been withdrawn in that state

Well, yes, technically, I’m the purest sense of the word, you’re right, it wouldn’t be ‘murder’, but the person who refuses to help a clearly dying person could be held responsible for their eventual death, especially if said person is in a position of obligation to save a persons life

[Liam-]

Also the problem was that they shouldn’t have had a warrant anyway, because the person they were looking for was already in custody and didn’t even live at her address.

[Oliver_W]

Also the problem was that they shouldn’t have had a warrant anyway, because the person they were looking for was already in custody and didn’t even live at her address.
She was thought to have been involved though, her address was one of the places the drugs were being sent to.

no it cant, you are making it up as you go along.
Hm, while it's obvious they didn't mean to shoot her (they didn't know she was standing there, they were firing back at her boyfriend) leaving her to bleed out is pretty bad. Even that on its own could (should) be called manslaughter, even if her boyfriend shot her.

[Kizzy]

no it cant, you are making it up as you go along. The problem was with the no knock warrant, which has now been withdrawn in that state

Now you are making I things up..warrants don't kill people.
If a trigger happy officer is twitchy when lone females are asleep what are they going to be like when they're awake?

[Oliver_W]

Now you are making I things up..warrants don't kill people.
If a trigger happy officer is twitchy when lone females are asleep what are they going to be like when they're awake?

She was awake, she was standing in the hallway.

[Tom4784]

It does sound more like manslaughter, because they were returning fire after Taylor's boyfriend shot at them, as he thought they were intruders. But they fired blind, as she was standing behind a covered patio thing, which is why she was hit.

That makes it sound like the police were defending themselves although they intruded on someone's property without announcing themselves, leading to one of the owners of that property defending themselves against intruders. What a load of ****ing ****.

The police invaded someone's house, they shot it up and they murdered an innocent woman with a bright future and blamed it on the boyfriend who was just defending his property, if he was white, he would be the ****ing darling of the Right Wing for doing so.

[Crimson Dynamo]

What happened in Louisville?

Shortly after midnight on March 13, Louisville police officers executing a search warrant used a battering ram to enter the apartment of Ms. Taylor, a 26-year-old emergency room technician.

The police had been investigating two men who they believed were selling drugs out of a house that was far from Ms. Taylor’s home. But a judge had also signed a warrant allowing the police to search Ms. Taylor’s residence because the police said they believed that one of the men had used her apartment to receive packages. Ms. Taylor had been dating that man on and off for several years but had recently severed ties with him, according to her family’s lawyer.

Ms. Taylor and her boyfriend, Kenneth Walker, had been in bed, but got up when they heard a loud banging at the door. Mr. Walker said he and Ms. Taylor both called out, asking who was at the door. Mr. Walker later told the police he feared it was Ms. Taylor’s ex-boyfriend trying to break in.

After the police broke the door off its hinges, Mr. Walker fired his gun once, striking Sergeant Mattingly in a thigh. The police responded by firing several shots, striking Ms. Taylor five times. One of the three officers on the scene, Detective Brett Hankison, who has since been fired, shot 10 rounds into the apartment.

https://www.nytimes.com/article/breonna-taylor-police.html

[Tom4784]

The police invaded someone's house without announcing themselves and they shot an innocent woman dead when her boyfriend rightfully defended his property against people he assumed were intruding and meant them harm, which they obviously did given that they sprayed bullets into the home.

Murderers.

Trying to justify murder by painting the black victims as bringing it on themselves is not a good look.

[Kizzy]

They had no right or reason to be there... she was with a new partner nothing to do with the guy they wanted.

These were 2 innocent people doing what southerners do defending their property with a firearm.
It's in the constitution remember.

It isn't the right for white people to bear arms... is it?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Louisville police officers executing a search warrant

given by a judge

[Nicky91]

They had no right or reason to be there... she was with a new partner nothing to do with the guy they wanted.

These were 2 innocent people doing what southerners do defending their property with a firearm.
It's in the constitution remember.

It isn't the right for white people to bear arms... is it?

yes correct, NRA does not look at colour, race with this law

you have the right to defend your property with firearm

these cops should've made it more clear they are police rather than just invading people's property (as in statement it seems they didn't know they were cops, so probably no sirens were heard)

[Marsh.]

Louisville police officers executing a search warrant

given by a judge

A search warrant doesn't give them authority to murder the woman. But you know that.

[Tom4784]

A search warrant, not a 'murder an innocent woman' warrant.

[Oliver_W]

They didn't know she was standing there, she wasn't the target, so how is it murder?

[Kizzy]

They executed more than the search warrant. ..that's the problem.

They didn't even kill the guy with the gun! It was an unarmed innocent civilian in her own home.

How twisted do you have to be to see the justification in this?

[Oliver_W]

They executed more than the search warrant. ..that's the problem.

They didn't even kill the guy with the gun! It was an unarmed innocent civilian in her own home.

How twisted do you have to be to see the justification in this?

I don't think anyone is trying to justify it, but manslaughter and murder are different things. And, needless to say, both wrong.

[Kizzy]

They didn't know she was standing there, she wasn't the target, so how is it murder?

Oh... was HER fault, she got in the way if the bullets spraying round her home like the OK corralle?

Heard it all now.

[Oliver_W]

Oh... was HER fault, she got in the way if the bullets spraying round her home like the OK corralle?

Heard it all now.

That's your takeaway from what I said?

:joker:

lol kay. Obviously it's not her fault. It's the cop's fault for firing blinding and hitting her instead of the bloke shooting at them. Doesn't make it murder.

[Marsh.]

I'd say it is murder when they're blindly spraying a home with bullets they KNOW the occupant is inside of.

You can't fire your gun inside a dark room that you know someone else is with you inside of and then claim you didn't mean to hit them.

[Crimson Dynamo]

They were returning fire. The aim is to take out who is shooting at you.

[Tom4784]

If you fire blindly into someone's home, you're shooting not to wound or disarm, but you're shooting to kill at anyone who is in that home. The police did not identify themselves, they acted like intruders and the boyfriend acted in a way that the Right Wing would have championed if he was white, he defended his home against unknown intruders who obviously raided the home with deadly intent.

This would have been classed as murder if it wasn't the police that intruded on their property, the police acted like thieves in the night and they murdered someone while they're at it. Them being the police does not change that fact.

[bots]

a no knock warrant meant that they didnt need to identify themselves, and if someone shoots at you from a darkened room, they are entitled to shoot back ... it's not even close to being murder....

[Crimson Dynamo]

a no knock warrant meant that they didnt need to identify themselves, and if someone shoots at you from a darkened room, they are entitled to shoot back ... it's not even close to being murder....

EXACTLY

[Marsh.]

a no knock warrant meant that they didnt need to identify themselves, and if someone shoots at you from a darkened room, they are entitled to shoot back ... it's not even close to being murder....

They actually usually do identify themselves. A no-knock warrant is about giving no prior warning to entering the property, not just breaking in and shooting the occupant dead.

[Oliver_W]

They actually usually do identify themselves. A no-knock warrant is about giving no prior warning to entering the property, not just breaking in and shooting the occupant dead.

So should the cops have just rolled over and taken the bullets fired at them?

[Liam-]

So should the cops have just rolled over and taken the bullets fired at them?

They should have announced who they were, so the house dwellers wouldn’t feel the need to use their constitutional 2nd amendment rights to defend their home from unidentified invaders

[Crimson Dynamo]

The guy was a drug dealer so when his door gets done in in the night he knows exactly who it is. He knew they would fire back, he knew his girlfreind was there.....

[Liam-]

Is there any proof her current boyfriend was a drug dealer?

[Nicky91]

The guy was a drug dealer so when his door gets done in in the night he knows exactly who it is. He knew they would fire back, he knew his girlfreind was there.....

i am beginning to think Breonna did not know about his criminal past, since in his statement he had said he thought it was a ex boyfriend of her

makes it even more sad this story then

if this statement and story is true, some might not believe it who are anti-cops


is there strong hard evidence the guy was a drug dealer and was on record for this at the police force?

[AnnieK]

I thought this was a new boyfriend and not the one the police knew about. It said she had severed all ties with the drug dealer boyfriend and when they heard the noises her new boyfriend thought it was the ex turning up looking for trouble.

Just looked it up and it states that her boyfriend was not known to the police and was not implicated in any investigation

[GiRTh]

I thought this was a new boyfriend and not the one the police knew about. It said she had severed all ties with the drug dealer boyfriend and when they heard the noises her new boyfriend thought it was the ex turning up looking for trouble.

Just looked it up and it states that her boyfriend was not known to the police and was not implicated in any investigationGreat post. Its funny how people who constently shout 'Evidence?' When they see these incidents are happy to call Breonna Taylors boyfriend a drug dealer without a scrap of evidence.

The no knock warrant tactic has to be reviewed, and quite right too. I don't get why the police wouldn't acknowledge their presences in all situations. I dont care if they're walking into a a warzone with potentially rockets and grenades, the police need to announce their presence particularity if, like in this case, its the wrong guy. Some body has to be accountable for this 'error'

For all those who seem to be celebrating that no charges were bought. I wouldn't celebrate too soon if I were you. Many high profile celebs are taking interest in the case. Including Oprah. Didnt people want Oprah to run for president? She's quite influential is our Oprah. This isnt over.

[GiRTh]

Just found out that the police offered the guy they were looking for a deal but he had to claim Breonna Taylor was part of his drug operation. Thankfully he rejected the deal. Thing is, why would they do that if it was a righteous shoot?

[user104658]

Just found out that the police offered the guy they were looking for a deal but he had to claim Breonna Taylor was part of his drug operation. Thankfully he rejected the deal. Thing is, why would they do that if it was a righteous shoot?

Lol he'd have been dead in a week in prison. That's some Gotham-level corruption right there though :umm2:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Just found out that the police offered the guy they were looking for a deal but he had to claim Breonna Taylor was part of his drug operation. Thankfully he rejected the deal. Thing is, why would they do that if it was a righteous shoot?

From who?

[GiRTh]

From who?Oh do you want evidence do you? Go and find it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oh do you want evidence do you? Go and find it.

If you post info

We post links

Its how this works

[Josy]

Oh do you want evidence do you? Go and find it.Tbf girth posting something like that with no links or sources etc is going to encourage members to question it

[GiRTh]

I've found it in loads of places including the Daily Mail. It wasnt included in the final deal but in a draft version Breonna Taylor was named as a co-defendant in his case.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I've found it in loads of places including the Daily Mail. It wasnt included in the final deal but in a draft version Breonna Taylor was named as a co-defendant in his case.

Then post . Have you not poured scorn on the DM in the past??

[GiRTh]

Then post . Have you not poured scorn on the DM in the past??
Its a fine publication,

[Crimson Dynamo]

As are the people who comment

:clap1:

[Marsh.]

So should the cops have just rolled over and taken the bullets fired at them?

They wouldn't have had bullets fired at them had they announced who they were upon breaking the door down.

[Marsh.]

The guy was a drug dealer so when his door gets done in in the night he knows exactly who it is. He knew they would fire back, he knew his girlfreind was there.....

Her EX boyfriend was the drug dealer, who wasn't even in the house. I love how that's one fact you can't seem to register.

[Crimson Dynamo]

They wouldn't have had bullets fired at them had they announced who they were upon breaking the door down.

Evidence?

[AnnieK]

Evidence?

Where's your evidence that the boyfriend who fired at the officers was a drug dealer and not a scared citizen as you stated earlier in the thread?

[Marsh.]

Contrary Mary at it again. So boring.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Where's your evidence that the boyfriend who fired at the officers was a drug dealer and not a scared citizen as you stated earlier in the thread?

And your evidence he isn't!
?

[AnnieK]

And your evidence he isn't!
?

One of many articles

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/09/24/correcting-misinformation-about-breonna-taylor/%3foutputType=amp

From the article:

Taylor’s ex-boyfriend was dealing drugs. That man, Jamarcus Glover, was the main focus of the police investigation. Walker, Taylor’s boyfriend at the time of her death, was not named in any investigation

Now you show me one that proves he was a drug dealer. Don't worry, I'll wait :shrug:

[Liam-]

She got you there pal, take the L

[Crimson Dynamo]

Not named in the investigation does not mean he wasn't. Where is the evidence he wasnt?

[Crimson Dynamo]

And not a left wing source

[Liam-]

I think you’ll find that as the person insisting on it being true, the onus to prove it, falls onto you, unfortunately for you

[AnnieK]

Not named in the investigation does not mean he wasn't. Where is the evidence he wasnt?

Surely this is your time to show me evidence he was....I can post multiple articles....can you? Just one???

[Crimson Dynamo]

[QUOTE=AnnieK;10922827]Surely this is your time to show me evidence he was....I can post multiple articles....can you? Just one???[/QUOTypu posE]
Surely isn't evidence

[AnnieK]

Ah...so it's a no then....ok LT. Good chat

[GiRTh]

Not named in the investigation does not mean he wasn't. Where is the evidence he wasnt?:joker:
Good one :thumbs:

[Ramsay]

Rekt

[Crimson Dynamo]

So, no evidence??

[AnnieK]

So, no evidence??

From you...no. Just your assumption. As I said there are multiple articles stating the man she was with was an innocent citizen. Just waiting for that all important proof from you that he was a drug dealer. It's ok though....I'm here all night

[Liam-]

Ever seen a dog trying to get a stick through a door even though it won’t fit?

[Barry.]

Ever seen a dog trying to get a stick through a door even though it won’t fit?

Is that LT?

[GiRTh]

So, no evidence??Evidence of what ?? :conf:

There is evidence to back up my claim of the plea deal but there is none to back up your assertion that Breonna Taylors boyfriend was a drug dealer. Or are you telling us to go and find evidence that he wasnt? How on earth do we do that? This is getting quite silly.:shrug:

[user104658]

So, no evidence??

The burden of proof lies on the affirmative claim, you can't ask for proof of something NOT being the case, that's not how it works. You make a claim (e.g. that someone was a drug dealer) and you back it with evidence - people assess that evidence and decide if they think it's convincing or not. In the absence of evidence, you assume that the claim is false. No "proof" is required.

This is pretty basic stuff LT, both in a legal sense and in general debating :nono:.

[Marsh.]

Ever seen a dog trying to get a stick through a door even though it won’t fit?

:joker:

[bots]

people haven't said that the killing was justified, they are merely saying that there is a difference between murder and manslaughter and that particular case is not murder. People throw ... "it was murder" around all the time on this forum, and it most often simply isn't. The prosecution always select the most serious crime that they can get a conviction for ... although with plea bargaining it's more complicated in the USA

[Ammi]

...Murder isn’t thrown around though, bots...it’s debated because that’s what we do, that’s the whole point of this section...from the very closest people to Breonna and extending out to many other people, murder/manslaughter is being spoken about../debated...we could visit any forum in town, as they say...and the debate would be more or less the same/...very similar on this topic and any given topic of the day that we speak of...

[Ammi]

...if as the ‘EX’ of...a no knock warrant was felt a necessity, then why..?...what were the specific reasons for that because ‘being an EX’ in itself is not a reason, those reasons must have been pretty sure of...did they do the same or intend to do the same with every EX person his life just on the off chance that drugs may be found, or whatever...is that their use of policing ...the laws that they are upholding, say that firearms can be owned and can be used when someone ‘invades’ your home, because they’ve then become a threat to you and your loved ones safety...that’s the belief system and law that those officers uphold..I wonder how it would have been if one or several of the officers had been killed in their bungling...how the law and justice system would have viewed that ...rather than facing the death of loved ones through a bungled raid, would long term prison sentences have been what was faced instead, for innocent people who were sleeping in their beds...there is no way, no how and no upturn, side turn etc of this that can make Breonna’s death anything other than a direct result of police actions against innocent citizens..and those actions against innocent really had to be the most air tight of things to have showed those drugs actually being there and everything that they suspected being how it was...and it wasn’t how it was because they weren’t there...and her family are being expected to just suck it up and accept a very low value of Breonna’s death as any sentencing of ‘justice’...Because the law as it applies to everyone, apparently doesn’t apply to the people who uphold it, the police officers themselves...it’s easy to see why a system is as broken as it is..

[Nicky91]

...if as the ‘EX’ of...a no knock warrant was felt a necessity, then why..?...what were the specific reasons for that because ‘being an EX’ in itself is not a reason, those reasons must have been pretty sure of...did they do the same or intend to do the same with every EX person his life just on the off chance that drugs may be found, or whatever...is that their use of policing ...the laws that they are upholding, say that firearms can be owned and can be used when someone ‘invades’ your home, because they’ve then become a threat to you and your loved ones safety...that’s the belief system and law that those officers uphold..I wonder how it would have been if one or several of the officers had been killed in their bungling...how the law and justice system would have viewed that ...rather than facing the death of loved ones through a bungled raid, would long term prison sentences have been what was faced instead, for innocent people who were sleeping in their beds...there is no way, no how and no upturn, side turn etc of this that can make Breonna’s death anything other than a direct result of police actions against innocent citizens..and those actions against innocent really had to be the most air tight of things to have showed those drugs actually being there and everything that they suspected being how it was...and it wasn’t how it was because they weren’t there...and her family are being expected to just suck it up and accept a very low value of Breonna’s death as any sentencing of ‘justice’...Because the law as it applies to everyone, apparently doesn’t apply to the people who uphold it, the police officers themselves...it’s easy to see why a system is as broken as it is..

Breonna's death is a tragedy, but in all honesty what Bots had previously mentioned some pages back, it can't also be convincingly be ruled a ''murder'' compared to George Floyd where you got more concrete evidence against the officer involved (whom ignored 20 ''i can't breathe'' pleas, meaning Floyd was already apprehended, surrendered and he kept his knee on top of his neck so that was unnecessary usage of deadly force, he knew he was begging for his life and he coldly just ended his life)


Breonna's family deserves justice, but we need the truth of what went down

[user104658]

people haven't said that the killing was justified, they are merely saying that there is a difference between murder and manslaughter and that particular case is not murder. People throw ... "it was murder" around all the time on this forum, and it most often simply isn't. The prosecution always select the most serious crime that they can get a conviction for ... although with plea bargaining it's more complicated in the USAPeople (incorrectly) assume that murder is by necessity "worse" than various types of manslaughter and therefore "if it was really bad and they should be locked up for a long time, we must call it murder, cos that's the bad one".

Its a bit overly simplistic though and there are many examples of manslaughter that are arguably far worse than murder and rightly hcarry heavier sentences too.

Here's a simple example; some arsehole goes and gets tanked up on cocaine and alcohol, steals a car, and kills a woman and baby crossing the road. Vehicular manslaughter. He gets out on bail and the husband/father of the two, after seeing him laughing on Social Media, decides to go out and beat the guy to death. That's murder.

Whose side are we on? Who (if they were separate incidents, obviously) is quite likely to get more jail time?

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/BerniceKing/status/1310364433068306432

[Kizzy]

https://twitter.com/BerniceKing/status/1310364433068306432

Oop... a porky pie to justify a murder?

[Strictly Jake]

It annoys me when people put comments about where was the repsect towards the police seargent etc on the show...surely people realise the show isnt live??!! It was filmed weeks ago