View Full Version : Boris addressing the nation in a couple of minutes on TV.
Kate!
22-09-2020, 06:58 PM
Are you watching?
Or are you sick of him?
Crimson Dynamo
22-09-2020, 07:04 PM
Watched Nicola so no interest
Morgan.
22-09-2020, 07:04 PM
Not watching, I’ll read one of the online recaps when it’s finished.
"a stitch in time saves nine"
:thumbs:
Oliver_W
22-09-2020, 07:12 PM
I saw it because I thought Bake Off was on at 8. Blehh he just washes over me these days.
Though that weatherman looks sooo weird, like an over-realistic puppet.
Dogeatdog
22-09-2020, 07:14 PM
He likes to do that fist thing doesn’t he?
Crimson Dynamo
22-09-2020, 07:15 PM
I saw it because I thought Bake Off was on at 8. Blehh he just washes over me these days.
Though that weatherman looks sooo weird, like an over-realistic puppet.
We all said that:joker:
"a stitch in time saves nine"
:thumbs:
...a picture is worth a thousand... Boris......words...
Kate!
22-09-2020, 07:16 PM
He likes to do that fist thing doesn’t he?
Yeah he's very dramatic.
joeysteele
22-09-2020, 07:34 PM
He presents things even serious as if they're a game.
He's totally negatively unbelievable.
Nicola Sturgeon in her address was compassionate, sincere and inspiring.
What a contrast of leadership.
She's by miles a better leader.
Kizzy
22-09-2020, 07:46 PM
He has no clue how to be a statesman, all he knows is how to deliver monologues like he's performing an after dinner speech at a masonic lodge!
joeysteele
22-09-2020, 07:51 PM
He has no clue how to be a statesman, all he knows is how to deliver monologues like he's performing an after dinner speech at a masonic lodge!
Good description.
Spot on Kizzy.
Cherie
22-09-2020, 09:37 PM
Sick of him, I didn’t watch
Crimson Dynamo
22-09-2020, 10:01 PM
Sick of him, I didn’t watch
Nope. Fed up of this bs
user104658
22-09-2020, 10:45 PM
He presents things even serious as if they're a game.
He's totally negatively unbelievable.
I'm pretty sure it IS a game to him. There's a reason there are rumblings about him stepping down... He became PM, he's "completed the game" now, he doesn't want to have to hang around and do actual work. His plan was to become PM, "get Brexit done" and then retire with that as his legacy. But then Covid came along and ruined his plans so now he's fumbling about in the dark with no clue where to go next.
arista
22-09-2020, 10:51 PM
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joeysteele
22-09-2020, 10:51 PM
I'm pretty sure it IS a game to him. There's a reason there are rumblings about him stepping down... He became PM, he's "completed the game" now, he doesn't want to have to hang around and do actual work. His plan was to become PM, "get Brexit done" and then retire with that as his legacy. But then Covid came along and ruined his plans so now he's fumbling about in the dark with no clue where to go next.
You I would say are right in that TS.
arista
22-09-2020, 10:56 PM
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For Joey
Kizzy
23-09-2020, 01:14 AM
The media is turning on Boris. ..time to find a new leader torybots.
arista
23-09-2020, 01:40 AM
The media is turning on Boris. ..time to find a new leader torybots.
No you are stuck with him.
People are just pouring out their frustrations and it's perfectly understandable. Plenty people can't stand Nicola either
...I don’t think that we can dismiss bad governments, though...bad is bad, no matter what times we are living in and Boris most definitely defines bad for so many...of course people are frustrated, losing loved ones can be a very frustrating thing and the lives that some of ‘his’ people are living every day of his bungling ineptitude...the world that we’re living in right now is far too scary and worrying to be in the hands of such a career politician...
We can all put the country to right from the comfort of our armchairs, easiest thing in the world. I'm not defending Boris and the cabinet, it is full of incompetents, they have made bad decisions (from my perspective) but they are broadly doing the right things.
...we can’t put the country right though, bots...I mean that would never be suggested in any way, that we/the general public could...whether it be this or any other country../...world crises...’we’ vote in our leaders to inspire guidance etc...and they put themselves forward for that inspired guidance as well...I mean, I just don’t ever get that ‘sitting in our armchairs’ thing as any perspective at all because it’s really not...we could lay criticism at a ‘bad surgeon’ because they’re indeed a bad surgeon...but are we suggesting that we ourselves, with no surgical knowledge etc, would be able to perform a surgery to a higher standard.../...that mindset would make no sense at all to me to have any bearing...for our very lives in many things, we need a leader/government who is able to lead and govern...they haven’t made bad decisions imo, Boris and his chosen crew...they’ve made decisions that have sacrificed lives and that’s way beyond what ‘bad’ could ever imagine...
...we never, ever sit in our armchairs when the voting vibe happens and this government has let so many people down who found their feet and their vote for them...
...I did think that part of his address to the nation was very wonderful though...:lovedup:..so not all bad, bless him...
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Strictly Jake
23-09-2020, 06:54 AM
Loved the sketch at the start of bake off. Was perfect that it just so happened to be on the same night as boris!!
Bake off was lovely to be back on by the way....matt lucas is great!
Back on topic, Im so confused lately with all these rules, do this actually dont do it etc
Strictly Jake
23-09-2020, 06:55 AM
Anyone else think Boris would be good at celebrity catchphrase?
...we can’t put the country right though, bots...I mean that would never be suggested in any way, that we/the general public could...whether it be this or any other country../...world crises...’we’ vote in our leaders to inspire guidance etc...and they put themselves forward for that inspired guidance as well...I mean, I just don’t ever get that ‘sitting in our armchairs’ thing as any perspective at all because it’s really not...we could lay criticism at a ‘bad surgeon’ because they’re indeed a bad surgeon...but are we suggesting that we ourselves, with no surgical knowledge etc, would be able to perform a surgery to a higher standard.../...that mindset would make no sense at all to me to have any bearing...for our very lives in many things, we need a leader/government who is able to lead and govern...they haven’t made bad decisions imo, Boris and his chosen crew...they’ve made decisions that have sacrificed lives and that’s way beyond what ‘bad’ could ever imagine...
...we never, ever sit in our armchairs when the voting vibe happens and this government has let so many people down who found their feet and their vote for them...
the majority of people on this forum didn't like Boris before covid, so they were never going to fans now. Plenty people support Boris and what he is trying to do so people can have opinions sure, but it is simply that
Also, don't think it's particularly responsible of bake off to undermine the government at a time of national crisis ... i don't think its funny
Cherie
23-09-2020, 07:04 AM
Loved the sketch at the start of bake off. Was perfect that it just so happened to be on the same night as boris!!
Bake off was lovely to be back on by the way....matt lucas is great!
Back on topic, Im so confused lately with all these rules, do this actually dont do it etc
stay away from people/crowds as much as possible and don't socialise with more than 6 people and even when socialising, keep your distance unless they are your family of course, think you guys also have no household mixing?
Strictly Jake
23-09-2020, 07:28 AM
stay away from people/crowds as much as possible and don't socialise with more than 6 people and even when socialising, keep your distance unless they are your family of course, think you guys also have no household mixing?
Yeah we are currently in a mini lockdown. But other than not mixing households everything is pretty much the same still.
the majority of people on this forum didn't like Boris before covid, so they were never going to fans now. Plenty people support Boris and what he is trying to do so people can have opinions sure, but it is simply that
Also, don't think it's particularly responsible of bake off to undermine the government at a time of national crisis ... i don't think its funny
...that’s not true, though and it really is for each individual personally to know and say...I was one of the ‘wasn't a fan before‘, people...but COVID gave more of a ‘level play’ again in how I viewed him...especially as he had, had the virus himself and been hospitalised...I felt/hoped that would have attached some ‘personal’ to him as well in any empathies /compassion/considerations etc he may have shown...but no, just no, no and no...there has always been a time to ‘create fans’ who were not fans before, some were very open to that...Whether it be COVID related../...Brexit related or whatever...the most he and his government have shown this country is lies after lies after lies...
...the 6 people..(..I think..)...can only comprise of two households as well, it can’t be from 3, 4, 5, 6 different households...
Strictly Jake
23-09-2020, 07:35 AM
...the 6 people..(..I think..)...can only comprise of two households as well, it can’t be from 3, 4, 5, 6 different households...
But noone would know whether they were or werent anyway
...I mean, this is a government headed by Boris ...that took away so many testing centres as the schools and industries went back to ‘normality’ that he said was safe to go back to and would be monitored...is that ‘trying his best’...or is that just callous and reckless and placing very little weight on human life...?...it’s staggering, the suggestion that he was ‘never going to have fans’ based on any previous political or personal history...if only the public had any need to ever go that far back...I mean, streuth...
But noone would know whether they were or werent anyway
...yeah to an extent, Jake...but then isn’t ‘let’s tell on our neighbours’ being encouraged as well, so...it’s all just a messy mess of a mess...
joeysteele
23-09-2020, 08:02 AM
...I don’t think that we can dismiss bad governments, though...bad is bad, no matter what times we are living in and Boris most definitely defines bad for so many...of course people are frustrated, losing loved ones can be a very frustrating thing and the lives that some of ‘his’ people are living every day of his bungling ineptitude...the world that we’re living in right now is far too scary and worrying to be in the hands of such a career politician...
Absolutely Ammi.
On ALL your posts.
I don't in any way consider myself just an armchair critic.
I've had to pull myself up to coping in this, protecting my Mum particularly, and seeing the UNNECESSARY deaths of family and friends.
2 under 40 and 2 more elderly.
I resent those calling people like me armchair critics.
I've battled, by getting medical records and learning the facts.
Gathering too the experiences of others too.
As to how these UNNECESSARY deaths happened.
The veiled supporting for Johnson is what annoys me when it's said Hancock is incompetent while excusing the incompetence of the man who can and should have by now, sacked him from his health post.
One of the most important posts at this time.
I have never liked Johnson.
I said from the start of this pandemic, I hoped for success for this government.
I praised Sunak for his initial response.
We still get this us and them comments as to well people didn't like Johnson before this.
I have never really liked a Labour party leader either, despite my support there.
I never got the leader I wanted.
Johnson isn't, by growing numbers liked now because his mask is falling.
His attitude, lack of any real compassion,he won't even meet with groups of bereaved families of this pandemic..his double standards and incompetence.
That's why I don't like him, as growing numbers are also now eventually seeing his deceit.
Some will never see it and will only get at people, saying they never liked Johnson anyway, or they're just armchair critics.
To a degree that's all anyone on this forum is, an armchair critic.
Some dismiss this pandemic near totally.
Some see it a huge joke to inject humour too.
Some have lost really close family and friends yet get derided for their anger and massive hurt left by that, especially as to unnecessary deaths.
To have a career politician as you point out , totally inept in dealing compassionately, with justice, efficiently and quickly.
Having the power of control.
Is frightening in the very least.
That's why I don't like him, this cabinet is a dismal failure because none dare really speak out.
At a time we needed a strong, determined, listening and caring leader.
What we've got is all the opposite to that.
People can rush in and in a veiled way keep defending him but it's obvious to me.
You cannot have got as much wrong as this government has on this.
Then say they're doing the right thing.
I don't think we've ever been as badly served in England by any government as we have by this one, in a time of massive crisis too.
For me, Scotland has a real leader.
Who shows, firmness with authority, however fairness and compassion too.
Never stops expressing condolences to those, (even if there was only a single one), as to deaths in a family.
This arrogant PM we have can only tell us there'll be more and not even acknowledge the losses of loved ones now.
Rising figures again even on his manipulated registering of deaths now too.
This armchair critic then, has lost 4 very special people from his life and I am hurt and furious at that.
So I'll keep justifiably attacking the incompetence and the incompetent leader who has, by being so ill prepared, inept and by his procrastinating dangerous reactions, helped make UNNECESSARY deaths more likely.
It's a scandal and indefensible.
Perhaps I'm too close to this issue with the losses of loved ones.
However dismissed as being just armchair critics is a gross insult.
From the medical records, it's easy to see what went wrong in part.
Which caused the unnecessary deaths before their time.
The truth will out one day and I'd guess this PM may possibly want to be well out the way when it does too.
...the thing as well, Joey...of course we’re armchair observers as it were because we’ve spent time being quarantined to armchairs so observing our government has been a big part of our lives...even those who generally not gravitate toward any political stuff etc...because this isn’t just ‘political’, it’s human...we observe, yes...but we also live, all of us live this virus with our own personal and individual experiences and in a much more ‘real world’ than some politicians who are making our rules of living...and that’s how we judge, not from anything that came before...
...and we should observe and we should judge and we should feel everything we feel, what our heads and hearts say to us about this government...because looking back in history..?...there sadly may be no looking back for some of us/or/and some of our very most loved ones...so ‘armchair now’ is all there might be so it’s very important to voice, also...and to feel etc...
Kazanne
23-09-2020, 08:33 AM
the majority of people on this forum didn't like Boris before covid, so they were never going to fans now. Plenty people support Boris and what he is trying to do so people can have opinions sure, but it is simply that
Also, don't think it's particularly responsible of bake off to undermine the government at a time of national crisis ... i don't think its funny
I kind of agree with this bots , this is why I don't bother giving an opinion on it much anymore on here ,but I will answer this one as it's balanced. whatever he does is shot down ,plus I really doubt he sits there alone and thinks 'Oh what can I do to piss everyone off then no one will ever vote for me again ' people are now moaning that they may not be able to celebrate Xmas properly ,so what ? if it saves lives, we should be complying, the rules are not that difficult to get your head around. So many armchair experts and so little knowledge.
Strictly Jake
23-09-2020, 08:37 AM
I have just read nicolas speech word for word
Its so clear cut and understandable but also it is very sympathetic! Its so much better then Mr Mumble Bumble!
Boris doing a bad job equats to him being the spawn of satan..sturgeon doing an equally bad job equats to her being a fantastic leader..
Neither have led thier perspective countries well during this, yet one is saintly and one isnt..
Makes no sense to me...get the kids back off school cause the buses are a shambles and fast becoming death traps cause the kids just wont keep thier masks on and are mixing with many working adults in such confined spaces.
user104658
23-09-2020, 08:44 AM
Scotland have tightened overall but have actually relaxed a little on kids under 12 - they can meet outdoors (with other kids under 12). I think under-18's are allowed to meet in groups of up to 6 without social distancing, too.
Apparently the "zero household mixing indoors" thing is quite important; the West of Scotland implemented it a few weeks ago and (apparently) it has had a notable effect on rising case numbers there. It applies to the whole of Scotland now.
Strictly Jake
23-09-2020, 08:46 AM
Also can I just say why hasnt sexism in the house of commons not being a big thing at the moment. I was watching it yesterday, when the male mps asked their questions total silence in the room, when the women mps asked their questions a lot of mumbling seemed to be happening in the background I have seen this happen on many occasions now
user104658
23-09-2020, 08:46 AM
Boris doing a bad job equats to him being the spawn of satan..sturgeon doing an equally bad job equats to her being a fantastic leader..
Neither have led thier perspective countries well during this, yet one is saintly and one isnt..
Makes no sense to me...get the kids back off school cause the buses are a shambles and fast becoming death traps cause the kids just wont keep thier masks on and are mixing with many working adults in such confined spaces.
Let's not fling all of the kids in the UK under the bus (excuse the pun) just because London is a rat warren; most places in the UK aren't an overcrowded mess so most kids don't have to go on public transport to get to school. Close London schools if you must :hee:.
user104658
23-09-2020, 08:47 AM
Also can I just say why hasnt sexism in the house of commons not being a big thing at the moment. I was watching it yesterday, when the male mps asked their questions total silence in the room, when the women mps asked their questions a lot of mumbling seemed to be happening in the background I have seen this happen on many occasions now
Pretty standard stuff to be honest, same reasons women on Twitty get torn to shreds for expressing things that barely blip on the radar when men say them.
Let's not fling all of the kids in the UK under the bus (excuse the pun) just because London is a rat warren; most places in the UK aren't an overcrowded mess so most kids don't have to go on public transport to get to school. Close London schools if you must :hee:.
This is in rural essex.
Strictly Jake
23-09-2020, 08:51 AM
Pretty standard stuff to be honest, same reasons women on Twitty get torn to shreds for expressing things that barely blip on the radar when men say them.
But I mean its so obvious to see and hear its nasty
we have dedicated school buses here:shrug:
...this is so ‘politics’ and demonstrating of ‘Boris politics’ as well...get people to look at people and judge people...judge the younger, the older, the townies, the countryphiles, the neighbours, the bus travellers and etc and etc, etc.../...all distractions from facing the government and Boris square in the face...
joeysteele
23-09-2020, 08:56 AM
...the thing as well, Joey...of course we’re armchair observers as it were because we’ve spent time being quarantined to armchairs so observing our government has been a big part of our lives...even those who generally not gravitate toward any political stuff etc...because this isn’t just ‘political’, it’s human...we observe, yes...but we also live, all of us live this virus with our own personal and individual experiences and in a much more ‘real world’ than some politicians who are making our rules of living...and that’s how we judge, not from anything that came before...
...and we should observe and we should judge and we should feel everything we feel, what our heads and hearts say to us about this government...because looking back in history..?...there sadly may be no looking back for some of us/or/and some of our very most loved ones...so ‘armchair now’ is all there might be so it’s very important to voice, also...and to feel etc...
Absolutely spot on Ammi.
Your inclusion of us living in, during and with this virus does indeed make us more than just sitting armchair critics.
How I envy those who have lost no one to this virus.
I hope that no one does.
That, once you realise a death ought not have happened, then another part of you is woken up.
Far from armchair critic you become an active critic and justifiably too.
No one should lose their lives before their time.
No matter how an unnecessary deaths occurs.
In this pandemic, with the chaos of protection equipment which caused the death of my friend who was a Nurse.
The not testing of hospital patients, being sent back to care homes who then infected others there.
You don't sit back in an armchair to criticise when that happens.
You want justice.
So you'll act because if you've lost people very close to you.
You owe that to them too, as well as others and yourselves.
Now there's voices who want all that brushed under the carpet.
Those actually responsible in part and in power too.
If people just take that, do nothing and then jump in with ignore armchair critics, people's hurts don't matter, deaths happen.
Don't just criticise the PM, he and his governmentt are doing their best.
Good lord, I'd hate to see his and their worst if this is his best
I also am going to add this.
Yes, like a broken record which I make no apology for.
Yet here he is, again, ignoring the vulnerable and elderly he shoved outside by removing all the help and aid of shielding.
FOR those who even STILL needed it and wanted it.
To save in effect a pittance.
Yet if they've no practical.help elsewhere, they HAVE to sustain themselves and seek all they need.
Out there where this virus is still around and again growing after his pushing as many people back into the community and towns as he could.
I could never admire anyone who played such dangerous games with those vulnerable and elderly as this PM has.
Yet all day yesterday, he offered those who still needed and if they actually wanted the official stamp of shielding, nothing.
He did and said nothing.
Being Mayor of London, is not being PM.
It's a different position altogether.
There are a lot of skills and qualities needed to be a PM of a whole Nation.
Johnson in my view has very few ,if any at all of them.
joeysteele
23-09-2020, 08:59 AM
...this is so ‘politics’ and demonstrating of ‘Boris politics’ as well...get people to look at people and judge people...judge the younger, the older, the townies, the countryphiles, the neighbours, the bus travellers and etc and etc, etc.../...all distractions from facing the government and Boris square in the face...
Divide and conquer, exactly.
...this is so ‘politics’ and demonstrating of ‘Boris politics’ as well...get people to look at people and judge people...judge the younger, the older, the townies, the countryphiles, the neighbours, the bus travellers and etc and etc, etc.../...all distractions from facing the government and Boris square in the face...
but it is up to people to take individual responsibility for their actions, now all i see everywhere is ****ing government. The principles have not changed since March - social distance, wash your hands and don't have any unnecessary close contact outside your family circle. There is nothing confusing in this at all, and people saying it is confusing are only doing so because they don't like the restrictions or are just frustrated in general and want to complain. The government wouldn't need to enforce any restrictions at all if people just did what they were told to do
user104658
23-09-2020, 09:03 AM
This is in rural essex.
Then why are the local councils not running school busses? Last time I asked about this I was told that it was because it would be "impossible due to London traffic". Clearly that's not the case in rural Essex :nono:.
Divide and conquer, exactly.
...otherwise known as the Brexit strategy, I think...
...nothing has changed since March and yet the government didn’t step into each phase...they ran and leapt with changes and yet nothing had changed...while many people cried noooooooooo, just slowly please, let’s see how this phase unfolds...they were running too quickly to pay any heed because they’d made their decisions based on ‘no change and nothing new to see here..’....
...nothing has changed since March and yet the government didn’t step into each phase...they ran and leapt with changes and yet nothing had changed...while many people cried noooooooooo, just slowly please, let’s see how this phase unfolds...they were running too quickly to pay any heed because they’d made their decisions based on ‘no change and nothing new to see here..’....
and they were right to open up quickly and take advantage of the summer where the spread of the virus was low .... If they hadn't done that our economy would have been completely down the pan
...it was and still is down the pan, I would say...
Cherie
23-09-2020, 09:22 AM
Let's not fling all of the kids in the UK under the bus (excuse the pun) just because London is a rat warren; most places in the UK aren't an overcrowded mess so most kids don't have to go on public transport to get to school. Close London schools if you must :hee:.
In London some of the public transport buses are for school kids only, one of the few things the Mayor has got right :smug:
user104658
23-09-2020, 09:27 AM
In London some of the public transport buses are for school kids only, one of the few things the Mayor has got right :smug:
Parmy told me that snot-nosed brats are sneezing all over little old ladies and TV repairmen :nono:.
...it was and still is down the pan, I would say...
yeah, but it was a short flush rather than a long one :laugh:
...the long and the short of the flush, it doesn’t really matter in the ‘grand scheme’ and in terms of the economy which was pretty much screwed in its destiny from when Ms COVID first visited ...but it very much does matter in terms of exposure and lives...nothing at all had changed and lives that will be lost now in the up and coming, may have been saved if Boris had realised the fundamental of...nothing at all had changed...
...the long and the short of the flush, it doesn’t really matter in the ‘grand scheme’ and in terms of the economy which was pretty much screwed in its destiny from when Ms COVID first visited ...but it very much does matter in terms of exposure and lives...nothing at all had changed and lives that will be lost now in the up and coming, may have been saved if Boris had realised the fundamental of...nothing at all had changed...
i fundamentally disagree with this. A tiny percentage of the population are vulnerable to covid. Efforts should be made to protect and shield them and let everyone else get on with normal life. You don't fix an issue with broad strokes. You zero in and take precise action to protect those vulnerable ... that is the most effective solution. That way, the effect on our economy would have been minimal
Then why are the local councils not running school busses? Last time I asked about this I was told that it was because it would be "impossible due to London traffic". Clearly that's not the case in rural Essex :nono:.
I think there are so many kids from the same area going to different schools, I have at least 12 kids on my bus who are travelling over 15 miles to get to thier school even though the bus passes 3 other schools on the way.
Most of them sitting with thier masks pulled down I may add.
i fundamentally disagree with this. A tiny percentage of the population are vulnerable to covid. Efforts should be made to protect and shield them and let everyone else get on with normal life. You don't fix an issue with broad strokes. You zero in and take precise action to protect those vulnerable ... that is the most effective solution. That way, the effect on our economy would have been minimal
...so either way../..both ways../...every which way, Boris did it wrong...from every angle../every aspect../...every personal perspective even ..of your fundamental thoughts, my fundamental thoughts and etc etc.../..thoughts...
...I’ll leave you to your day, bots...I think this is where I came in so a good place to leave for the moment.../...he could have made ‘much more right’ decisions...but he made ‘much more wrong’ ones and that’s all on him...
Ain't all these restrictions so the vulnerable dont have to self isolate while the rest of us get on with it..I'm sure boris made it very clear that locking away all the vulnerable is out of the question yesterday.
Parmy told me that snot-nosed brats are sneezing all over little old ladies and TV repairmen :nono:.
I dont really find the situation funny, I'm basically sharing a livingroom with 20 other families for 40 minutes a day on the bus. Then going in and out of 6 or 7 different homes during the day..surely that's not very safe.
Kizzy
23-09-2020, 10:06 AM
I dont really find the situation funny, I'm basically sharing a livingroom with 20 other families for 40 minutes a day on the bus. Then going in and out of 6 or 7 different homes during the day..surely that's not very safe.
Can't you work from home, If someone want's their telly fixed can't they bring it to you?
user104658
23-09-2020, 10:13 AM
My plumber works from home. Absolute carnage when my shower stopped working last week.
joeysteele
23-09-2020, 10:17 AM
i fundamentally disagree with this. A tiny percentage of the population are vulnerable to covid. Efforts should be made to protect and shield them and let everyone else get on with normal life. You don't fix an issue with broad strokes. You zero in and take precise action to protect those vulnerable ... that is the most effective solution. That way, the effect on our economy would have been minimal
Can you tell me just WHERE, even in these measures where he is protecting the vulnerable.
Millions are vulnerable to this virus as to underlying health conditions and age.
Just what did he announce for them yesterday to protect them.
You harp on dismissing this point all the time.
He isn't protecting or shielding the vulnerable.
He's taken away all he had in place.
Now you'll retort back with we are all responsible for ourselves and others likely.
What about those still now worried that shielding was ended.
How do you shield IF you have to go out, mixing with more and more people.
Where has he put any protection in place as you're saying above protection for the vulnerable should be..
Where has he put any protection to them, even for those who still wanted it and needed it.
He only just brushed aside the vulnerable and elderly in both the Commons and TV address.
Millions vulnerable are a tiny part of the population.
Really.
That sounds like a good line for Johnson to adopt himself actually.
joeysteele
23-09-2020, 10:19 AM
...so either way../..both ways../...every which way, Boris did it wrong...from every angle../every aspect../...every personal perspective even ..of your fundamental thoughts, my fundamental thoughts and etc etc.../..thoughts...
...I’ll leave you to your day, bots...I think this is where I came in so a good place to leave for the moment.../...he could have made ‘much more right’ decisions...but he made ‘much more wrong’ ones and that’s all on him...
.... and you are right Ammi.
I really have to leave this thread too.
Unbelievable is all I'll end with at what I read here.
Can't you work from home, If someone want's their telly fixed can't they bring it to you?
No.
Hes protecting the vulnerables rights as human beings, by NOT locking them away..unfortunately hes relying on everyone else to help with that..and that's the stumbling block because most people dont give 2 ****s about anyone but themselves these days.
Kizzy
23-09-2020, 10:34 AM
Hes protecting the vulnerables rights as human beings, by NOT locking them away..unfortunately hes relying on everyone else to help with that..and that's the stumbling block because most people dont give 2 ****s about anyone but themselves these days.
That's not true.. look at the last lock down, I had to work through it and on my way to and from work there was literally nobody anywhere. Leeds was a ghost town.
user104658
23-09-2020, 11:23 AM
That's not true.. look at the last lock down, I had to work through it and on my way to and from work there was literally nobody anywhere. Leeds was a ghost town.
I dunno. That didn't last very long and it was mostly (in my opinion as a misanthrope) mostly because of the confusion and scare stories. Everywhere was abandonned because people were scared for themselves, not out of a desire to protect the vulnerable. As soon as people started getting comfortable with the idea that "Covid is out there" they started heading back out.
The Slim Reaper
23-09-2020, 11:26 AM
Hes protecting the vulnerables rights as human beings, by NOT locking them away..unfortunately hes relying on everyone else to help with that..and that's the stumbling block because most people dont give 2 ****s about anyone but themselves these days.
Didn't you have major issues (to put it mildly) about wearing masks?
Didn't you have major issues (to put it mildly) about wearing masks?
On tibb I did yes...in real life I have always stuck to the guidelines.
Kizzy
23-09-2020, 11:56 AM
I dunno. That didn't last very long and it was mostly (in my opinion as a misanthrope) mostly because of the confusion and scare stories. Everywhere was abandonned because people were scared for themselves, not out of a desire to protect the vulnerable. As soon as people started getting comfortable with the idea that "Covid is out there" they started heading back out.
I disagree for the majority It lasted as long as the advice lasted, as soon as measures were relaxed people felt it was OK to socialise again.
That's not true.. look at the last lock down, I had to work through it and on my way to and from work there was literally nobody anywhere. Leeds was a ghost town.
...I agree completely, Kizzy...my experience also in lockdown times was the very opposite of anything remotely in any way ‘self serving...’....
the first lockdown everyone was in shock and happy to do whatever anyone told them. The reasons for someone doing something don't matter if it achieves the required result.
For a million reasons lockdown is past its sell by date, another one wouldn't be anywhere near as effective as the first one.
...My own experiences and those experiences of others during lockdown times were not of ‘shock’ at all, everyone pretty much knew how their own job roles would enfold to incorporate the needs of others...many schools for instance, had begun their own care plan for essential worker and vulnerable children etc ...long before Boris and his government raised their voices at all in that direction...we knew what was happening, we anticipated ‘the result’ without anyone telling us...as...(...from my experience...)...did every other essential worker ...who never once had thought for themselves in terms of not being where they were in their workplace...no one was ‘happy to’...happy didn’t figure at all but essential very much did figure and essential applied to others and not to self...
Nicky91
23-09-2020, 12:28 PM
the first lockdown everyone was in shock and happy to do whatever anyone told them. The reasons for someone doing something don't matter if it achieves the required result.
For a million reasons lockdown is past its sell by date, another one wouldn't be anywhere near as effective as the first one.
i agree, now we need a new strategy
maybe a requirement to wear masks isn't a bad idea after all, and if we got idiots like ''anti-maskers'' ''viruswaanzin'' we might need to bring it another way than it being a order, but more asking it as a friendly advice to contribute your bit in protecting the elderly and vulnerable
Kizzy
23-09-2020, 01:10 PM
the first lockdown everyone was in shock and happy to do whatever anyone told them. The reasons for someone doing something don't matter if it achieves the required result.
For a million reasons lockdown is past its sell by date, another one wouldn't be anywhere near as effective as the first one.
Again I disagree if the advice came again to isolate we would, hence the recent recurrence of panic buying, some are preparing to lock down.
I'm usually the one being accused of not having any faith in brits, but I do. I believe it would be adhered to as it was before to help each other but primarily the vulnerable.
I had 7 days off in the whole of July due to colleagues shielding did you hear me complain about it?
No, because I felt it necessary to pull together. And I would do it again.
Again I disagree if the advice came again to isolate we would, hence the recent recurrence of panic buying, some are preparing to lock down.
I'm usually the one being accused of not having any faith in brits, but I do. I believe it would be adhered to as it was before to help each other but primarily the vulnerable.
I had 7 days off in the whole of July due to colleagues shielding did you hear me complain about it?
No, because I felt it necessary to pull together. And I would do it again.
restrictions will kind of work up to a point, but a full lockdown would not be followed. People just won't do it ... businesses will be screaming, the government can't afford another furlough ... it will not happen
...My own experiences and those experiences of others during lockdown times were not of ‘shock’ at all, everyone pretty much knew how their own job roles would enfold to incorporate the needs of others...many schools for instance, had begun their own care plan for essential worker and vulnerable children etc ...long before Boris and his government raised their voices at all in that direction...we knew what was happening, we anticipated ‘the result’ without anyone telling us...as...(...from my experience...)...did every other essential worker ...who never once had thought for themselves in terms of not being where they were in their workplace...no one was ‘happy to’...happy didn’t figure at all but essential very much did figure and essential applied to others and not to self...
I'm a bit shocked at the schools gambling with our children's lives before the government and its top scientific advisers gave them the ok.
How were they so sure it would be ok during something that they had no idea what thier actions could cause.
Kizzy
23-09-2020, 01:35 PM
restrictions will kind of work up to a point, but a full lockdown would not be followed. People just won't do it ... businesses will be screaming, the government can't afford another furlough ... it will not happen
They will do it if it is required, business will just have to adapt . We don't have a choice... It has to happen, this is not going away.
The govt are looking at the German model to replace furlough I read, hopefully that will be successful.
user104658
23-09-2020, 01:39 PM
I'm a bit shocked at the schools gambling with our children's lives before the government and its top scientific advisers gave them the ok.
How were they so sure it would be ok during something that they had no idea what thier actions could cause.
Kids have to go to school Parmy :shrug:... it IS a tough thing to get your head around as a parent, but then, all of it is weighing up benefits vs risks isn't it. I let my 8 year old play out on her bike - she'd be safer in the house where there's no risk of being hit by a car. I let my 11 year old meet her friends on the other side of town - she'd be safer in her room watching Netflix. But social contact is essential as well.
Kids went to school in the 40's when there was a risk of a bomb being dropped on their heads... kids went to school in the US during the cold war when they were being taught how to "duck and cover" incase of nuclear war... kids have gone to school throughout all sorts of things throughout history. The world continues to turn. It won't if we start saying "Uh oh everything isn't perfect, better halt education".
They will do it if it is required, business will just have to adapt . We don't have a choice... It has to happen, this is not going away.
The govt are looking at the German model to replace furlough I read, hopefully that will be successful.
yes, the idea being that employers pay for the time someone works and the government make up the rest if they only work 2 days a week or something .... rather than being if you are furloughed you can't work at anything ... i think it's a good solution ... but thats for a non lockdown society
and you say it like its very simple if business closes ... its not ... and it will not happen again
Kizzy
23-09-2020, 01:48 PM
yes, the idea being that employers pay for the time someone works and the government make up the rest if they only work 2 days a week or something .... rather than being if you are furloughed you can't work at anything ... i think it's a good solution ... but thats for a non lockdown society
and you say it like its very simple if business closes ... its not ... and it will not happen again
I didn't say it was simple... I said if required, as in inevitable. I'd bet my car we lock down again before Christmas. ..What do you mean my cars not worth anything?! :fist:
Nicky91
23-09-2020, 01:51 PM
yes good to look at Germany's approach, they have been doing quite well in coronacrisis so far
https://www.thelocal.de/20200923/covid-19-how-germany-plans-to-increase-outdoor-seating-at-restaurants-this-autumn
also here about increasing outdoor seating at restaurants this autumn from them
user104658
23-09-2020, 02:05 PM
I think BOTS is right - they can't realistically do another lockdown without furlough, and they simply cannot afford another round of furlough. It won't happen. One of these rumoured "circuit breaker" lockdowns of two weeks? Maybe. That's not really the same thing as Spring though.
Makes little difference to me personally of course, both me and my wife will still be working as normal just like first time round. If they do a 2 week lockdown it'll be when the kids are off anyway (October half term).
Also it wouldn't be QUITE like the first one regardless. NHS services will not close. I'd be very surprised if drive-thru restaurants closed (they only did last time because they weren't set up properly, it was never required).
I don't see high street retail closing either, though it's possible.
Leisure stuff across the board? Probably.
I didn't say it was simple... I said if required, as in inevitable. I'd bet my car we lock down again before Christmas. ..What do you mean my cars not worth anything?! :fist:
we probably aren't disagreeing much ... there will be further restrictions, i'm in no doubt about that, but it won't go to the close everything down phase we were at before
...very neat swerve with Kizzy’s car question, bots...smart move, I think...
...if you’d made a different move...?..my money would have been on Kizzy...just saying...
Cherie
23-09-2020, 02:35 PM
There will be no lockdown on the scale of what we had in March, it hasn't happened in any other European country and it won't happen here, we locked down in March to get the house in order, it's in semi order but that will have to do I am afraid
The Slim Reaper
23-09-2020, 02:36 PM
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Boris is obviously an avid tibb reader and took note of Nicky's suggestion
Everyone dissing bojo (the labour leader for example) yet I doubt very much any of them would have dealt with this situation any differently, they go on the expert advice they are given apparently :shrug:
People are just pouring out their frustrations and it's perfectly understandable. Plenty people can't stand Nicola eitherYes I agree with this
Kazanne
23-09-2020, 05:31 PM
Everyone dissing bojo (the labour leader for example) yet I doubt very much any of them would have dealt with this situation any differently, they go on the expert advice they are given apparently :shrug:
Yes, so many giving there take on it but no answers.
joeysteele
23-09-2020, 06:25 PM
I will be dissing Johnson for as long as he fails to really lead.
He is supposed to be LEADING his Country and this Country and it's citizens justly, compassionately and truthfully.
He isn't.
I will not again list ALL the endless list of deceit he's showered all through it or his Ministers.
It's clearly a waste of time to those who'd support him if he created an earthquake.
As for no answers.
Plenty have been given.
Better testing and never to have stopped the testing in the first place as he did in March.
Protection equipment, make sure we had more than needed in January/ February when we saw what was going to hit here after Italy and Spain etc:
It seems it's Johnson who has no answers.
To the procrastination that's lost many elderly loved ones lives in care homes and hospital staff too.
Choose to ignore that if people must, however to those who've lost loved ones just a bit respect for life and those lives lost would just be simply decent.
As for Starmer criticising him.
He's supportive but knows the above is and are things that could have saved lives.
Plus does anyone really believe if Starmer was handling this crisis this way in the calamitous way Johnson has.
That Johnson wouldn't be dissing him.
Of course he would.
So would I be too.
Any leader deceiving the country with such serious matters on this pandemic, such as the lies on protection equipment.
The farcical mess of testing.
The sacrificing of the elderly loved one in care homes.
Only warrants the fury and contempt I feel for him and his Ministers.
I'll say it freely, I'll be dissing Johnson as long as I have to, particularly off this forum too,because I hold him and his Ministers in some part responsible for the deaths way too soon of my own Aunts and friends.
By his failure to prepare this country for this pandemic.
Not getting the right testing in place.
For not ensuring staff and care home elderly were protected with enough protection equipment.
The man is a disgrace.
Those deaths of loved ones due to lack of testing and protection equipment, a national scandal.
Which one day it will be when things finally do catch up with this dangerous deceiver who is PM at present.
You have a very low opinion people on TIBB Joey if you think they would support an earthquake creating man.
joeysteele
24-09-2020, 07:22 AM
You have a very low opinion people on TIBB Joey if you think they would support an earthquake creating man.
I would say a man who gets support of voters to lead a country, who can then preside over a situation of the unnecessary deaths of THOUSANDS of residents in care homes.
Because he didn't ensure enough protection equipment and safe testing was in place, months after knowing this pandemic was coming.
Yet then still gets defended and supported.
On here or off here in the Country at large too.
Well I make no apologies to say that is as bad as an earthquake.
I have my reasons for my intense dislike of this PM and his continuously never ending deceit from him and his Ministers.
You took one line in a whole post just to as usually nitpick.
I honestly now don't care if I get banned from here.
On here all we see is there's hardly any deaths now.
People getting it don't get ill.
Humour on the issue.
Total discounting and near ridicule of those who have been affected by losses to this.
We who have lost really close loved ones, we saw regularly.
Who know the realities of the devastation it can bring at the time, then the hurt and pain left knowing loved ones have been lost before their time.
Not able to be with them as they were ill and dying.
Not able to even go to their funerals
To joke about that, ridicule and nitpick doesn't make me look at any that do in a positive light.
I make no apology for that either.
I stand by every word I said in that post.
I said earlier in the day, I maybe am too close to this issue losing 4 people, and I do hold in some way partly responsible for my losses of loved ones way before their time, this hopeless procrastinating PM and his Ministers all through this pandemic.
So I'd best keep off this thread., before the onslaught arrives to just nitpick on one line or one statement.
I'd hazard a guess if people had my situation of the losses of loved ones unnecessarily, also seeing the pain and devastation left to my other closest and dearest, one very important person will never be the same again who I will now protect with my life, after losing her Sister.
If others had that situation, and accepted as I now know, had people not been returned to care homes untested, just to free up beds in hospitals.
If enough adequate protection equipment been ensured was in place by the government.
Then I'd have had no likely losses of the 4 I have.
I'd guess anyone in that situation wouldn't be any different or not much less, as to having the anger and contempt for those in power, WHO had the power to ensure ALL should be and WAS in place from the first forewarnings in January.
Anyway.
I will keep off this thread now.
I did yesterday after I said I would until criticism of dissing this PM was put forward.
Good lord, if I could get to speak this PM face to face, although he won't meet with bereaved families, NO WONDER he won't.
What I'd like to fire at him then, my earthquake comment would pale into insignificance.
Judge me when you're in my position as to seeing the effects of this virus.
Not on one line in a long detailed post.
However my hope is you, nor anyone else anywhere, is ever in the situation to see the rotten, cruel, endlessly haunting effects of losses of loved ones unnecessarily to this virus.
However I stand by every word in my post.
As I do in this one.
Don't worry though,you won't need to take one line on a post from me on this thread again.
As I'm done posting on it.
Leaving it with my own thoughts and what I believe to be correct.
If so again, I get in bother for defending myself, my actions, my words on here when others can just fire negatively at me with no comeback to them.
Then so be it.
As a footnote, I can't have a low opinion of anyone on here I don't know anyone in person on here.
Mind you, I've been branded an anti-Semitism supporter on here.
Is that not having a low opinion of someone to even infer that?.
Or if it comes from a preferred source to another, does that not matter then as to opinions of others.
I just now find it best to try to avoid some, which equally others here offended by my words can easily avoid me too.
That's our right on here still, well I think it maybe is.
Have a good day parmnion.
I dont really find the situation funny, I'm basically sharing a livingroom with 20 other families for 40 minutes a day on the bus. Then going in and out of 6 or 7 different homes during the day..surely that's not very safe.
I had a bit shout this morning at them.
those conditions don't matter much when infection rates are low which was the case about 3 weeks ago. With infected numbers rising daily, it's a completely different situation now
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