Laurence Fox launching a new political party to fight the culture wars...

[Ammi]

Actor Laurence Fox is launching a political party to fight the culture wars after raising over £1 million, including substantial sums from former Tory donors, The Telegraph can disclose.

Fox hopes to stand dozens of candidates for his new party at the next general election to provide a political movement for people who are "tired of being told that we represent the very thing we have, in history, stood together against".

His aims include reforming publicly funded institutions, likely to include the BBC, and celebrating Britain's history and global contribution.

The new party (provisionally called "Reclaim") could launch as soon as next month. The party's name is subject to approval by the Electoral Commission. Papers are due to be submitted to the electoral regulator in the middle of this week.

In a statement to The Telegraph, Fox said: "Over many years it has become clear that our politicians have lost touch with the people they represent and govern.

"Moreover, our public institutions now work to an agenda beyond their main purpose. Our modern United Kingdom was borne out of the respectful inclusion of so many individual voices.

"It is steeped in the innate values of families and communities, diverse in the truest sense but united in the want and need to call this island home.

"The people of the United Kingdom are tired of being told that we represent the very thing we have, in history, stood together against.

"We are all privileged to be the custodians of our shared heritage. We can reclaim a respectful nation where all are included and none are ashamed to have somewhere to call home.

"I have been so encouraged by the support I have received by those wishing to add their voices to this reclamation of our values.

"Our country is now in desperate need of a new political movement which promises to make our future a shared endeavour, not a divisive one. This is now my endeavour."

One Westminster source described the new party as a version of the UK Independence Party for the culture wars which could attract hundreds of thousands of disaffected Tory voters at the next general election.

The source said: "This is basically a Ukip for culture and is exactly what the Tory party should be frightened about."

Sources close to Reclaim stressed that it did not see itself as of the left or right in British politics insisting "it is a broad church, acknowledging left and right are dying distinctions".

Reclaim has three stated objectives, according to plans seen by The Telegraph.

The first is "to promote an open space through full protection of the fundamental freedoms of speech, expression, thought, association and academic inquiry. To stand in full opposition to laws and other measures which undermine those freedoms".

The second objective is "to reform publicly funded, controlled and operated institutions to ensure that they deliver on their primary purpose, free from political bias or agendas beyond their scope.

"This program of reform will cover, although not be exclusive to, our system of democracy, education, law enforcement, the civil service, public media, charitable organisations and other non-governmental organisations in receipt of public funds."

The third objective is "to preserve and celebrate our shared national history, cultural inheritance and global contribution".

Planning has been underway for the past two months.

More than £1 million had been pledged from business people including former Tory donor Jeremy Hosking. A spokesman for Mr Hosking declined to comment.

A staff to run the party is currently being recruited ahead of Reclaim's expected launch next month.

Rada-educated Fox, 42, the son of actor James Fox, is best known for playing the lead role of DS James Hathaway in the British TV drama series Lewis from 2006 to 2015.

But he burst onto the political scene in January when he hit back at claims the media's treatment of the Duchess of Sussex amounted to "racism", telling the audience on BBC 1's QuestionTime: "It's not racism ... we're the most tolerant, lovely country in Europe."

Fox also attracted attention on the BBC programme for comments about climate change. Joking about the hypocrisy of celebrities who fly regularly, Fox said: "The carbon footprint's huge. But we make up for it by preaching to everyone how they should change their life."

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/laurence-fox-launching-political-party-193706010.html

[Nicky91]

Laurence wanting to fight the Tories, LOL good luck with that :laugh2:

many have tried before you and failed


we do not care about a privileged upper-class twat seeking attention on social media's

:bored:

[Oliver_W]

I swear these "culture wars" are only in the heads of weirdos who need to get out more.

[arista]

Reclaim

While we are Stuck in Covid-19.

This is a Joker


https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/WDKYIynkiUe9AQi_nSd4ig--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTk2MDtoPTYwMC4zMzU4NjU2NT M3Mzg2/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/WnIrnBLVQ3Mv7O74sdEAVA--~B/aD0xNTY0O3c9MjUwMTtzbT0xO2FwcGlkPXl0YWNoeW9u/https://media.zenfs.com/en-GB/the_telegraph_818/8ba74eecfa558696179210b4eb63d324


Anyway 4 years to go

"Lozza Fox hopes to stand dozens of candidates for his new party at the next general election"

[Liam-]

He really is insufferable

[arista]

He really is insufferable


Maybe this could get him back on
GMBHD itv on Monday.


Covid-19
is destroying the World
Lozza needs to debate - that.

[bots]

more political choice is never a bad thing

[Nicky91]

more political choice is never a bad thing

true

[Jake.]

Because the far right really aren’t represented enough by todays media

[arista]

more political choice is never a bad thing


Yes if it's a Real Choice.

Saying Reclaim
is not a choice
it's a bunch of Nutters

[Kizzy]

Another right wing party? Great just what we need :/

Designed to spit the labour vote just like UKIP did initially.

[Liam-]

He really is milking the gammon support isn’t he? Bless him, anything to pay the mortgage

[arista]

He really is milking the gammon support isn’t he? Bless him, anything to pay the mortgage


He is Musician as well a Actor

[Liam-]

He is Musician as well a Actor

It’s like saying Bob is a singer as well as a builder

[joeysteele]

It's pointless.
Sorry I'm going off on my PR stance again here.

Multi parties leave most with no real chance of any real breakthrough in this electoral system.

What is needed is a better and more reliable, while controlled choice of the parties in existence already, whichever take power.

So without a change in the electoral system to PR.
An agenda can be influenced with little electoral success as voters feel their votes are wasted.

When the two main parties took over 80% of the votes cast, this system largely worked with strong but accountable government.

That's not so now.
Certainly since 2005 which was a shocking result , where Labour and the Cons had only 68% of the votes combined.
Yet Labour got a 58 overall majority on barely 35%+ of the votes.

So no matter the reasons for this likely new party, it's not a real choice because it could in effect take into almost double figures of votes, yet get none to a couple of seats.

Another one just splitting the votes doesn't serve the Nation at all.
It just allows a bigger Party, to get around 40% or even less of the actual votes cast but a thumping overall majority, to do whatever they like even with well over half of voters never supporting the policies.

Reforming properly the Parties we currently have and then getting an electoral system that serves the majority, not the minority.
That would in my view bring more accountable in a real sense, government.

[bots]

what always happens, without fail, is that the major parties are forced to take on policies of the minor parties to erode their popularity. This can be good or bad depending on your political stance, but it is effective

[arista]

From the Telegraph Pay Site:


[Actor Laurence Fox is launching a political party
to fight the culture wars after raising over £1 million,
including substantial sums from
former Tory donors, The Telegraph can disclose.
Fox hopes to stand dozens of candidates for
his new party at the next general election
to provide a political movement for people
who are "tired of being told that we represent
the very thing we have, in history,
stood together against".
His aims include reforming publicly funded institutions,
likely to include the BBC, and celebrating
Britain's history and global contribution.
The new party (provisionally called "Reclaim")
could launch as soon as next month.
The party's name is subject to approval
by the Electoral Commission.
Papers are due to be submitted to
the electoral regulator in the middle of this week.
In a statement to The Telegraph,
Fox said: "Over many years it has become clear that
our politicians have lost touch with the people
they represent and govern.
"Moreover, our public institutions now work
to an agenda beyond their main purpose.
Our modern United Kingdom was borne
out of the respectful inclusion of so many
individual voices.
"It is steeped in the innate values of families
and communities, diverse in the truest sense
but united in the want and need to
call this island home.
"The people of the United Kingdom are tired of
being told that we represent the very thing we have,
in history, stood together against.
"We are all privileged to be the custodians
of our shared heritage.
We can reclaim a respectful nation where all are
included and none are ashamed to
have somewhere to call home.
"I have been so encouraged by the support
I have received by those wishing to add
their voices to this reclamation of our values.
"Our country is now in desperate need of a
new political movement which promises to
make our future a shared endeavour,
not a divisive one. This is now my endeavour."
One Westminster source described the
new party as a version of the UK Independence Party
for the culture wars which could attract hundreds
of thousands of disaffected Tory voters at the next general election.
The source said: "This is basically a Ukip for
culture and is exactly what the Tory party
should be frightened about."
Sources close to Reclaim stressed that it
did not see itself as of the left or right
in British politics insisting "it is a broad church,
acknowledging left and right are dying distinctions".
Reclaim has three stated objectives,
according to plans seen by The Telegraph.
The first is "to promote an open space
through full protection of the
fundamental freedoms of speech,
expression, thought, association and academic inquiry.
To stand in full opposition to laws and
other measures which undermine those freedoms".
The second objective is "to reform publicly funded,
controlled and operated institutions to ensure
that they deliver on their primary purpose,
free from political bias or agendas
beyond their scope.
"This program of reform will cover,
although not be exclusive to,
our system of democracy, education,
law enforcement, the civil service, public media,
charitable organisations and other
non-governmental organisations in receipt
of public funds."
The third objective is
"to preserve and celebrate our shared national history,
cultural inheritance and global contribution".
Planning has been underway for the past two months.
More than £1 million had been pledged from
business people including former
Tory donor Jeremy Hosking.
A spokesman for Mr Hosking declined to comment.
A staff to run the party is currently being
recruited ahead of Reclaim's expected
launch next month.
Rada-educated Fox, 42, the son of
actor James Fox, is best known for playing
the lead role of DS James Hathaway in the
British TV drama series Lewis from 2006 to 2015.]

[Kizzy]

Is there a list of these values we need reclaiming?..

[Oliver_W]

"It is steeped in the innate values of families
and communities, diverse in the truest sense
but united in the want and need to
call this island home.
.
The first is "to promote an open space
through full protection of the
fundamental freedoms of speech,
expression, thought, association and academic inquiry.
To stand in full opposition to laws and
other measures which undermine those freedoms".
.
The second objective is "to reform publicly funded,
controlled and operated institutions to ensure
that they deliver on their primary purpose,
free from political bias or agendas
beyond their scope.
.
The third objective is
"to preserve and celebrate our shared national history,
cultural inheritance and global contribution".

None of these are bad, or even particularly right wing tbh.

Communities and families are certainly something which it would be beneficial for everyone to be invested in, but as values it's hard to legislate. Maybe churches and community centres should be given more money to find ways to bring people together? And tax breaks for married parents would be good.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Whay not call it Reclaim Britain First


:amazed:

[Kizzy]

Oh.... I just got what this is about. It's due to right wing speakers not being welcome in universities.

[bots]

hate speech is still hate speech whether someone is a member of a political party or not, so that won't change anything

[Oliver_W]

Oh.... I just got what this is about. It's due to right wing speakers not being welcome in universities.

If someone's been booked to speak at a university, why should their audience be denied it? People who don't like the speaker don't have to attend :shrug:

[bots]

If someone's been booked to speak at a university, why should their audience be denied it? People who don't like the speaker don't have to attend :shrug:

safe space and all that

[arista]

Whay not call it Reclaim Britain First


:amazed:


Could due to a Nazi Type Britain First group.

[Oliver_W]

safe space and all that
Then don't go in? All views (apart from those that advocate violence, obvs) deserve a space.

[arista]

1309903403229884416

[Kizzy]

If someone's been booked to speak at a university, why should their audience be denied it? People who don't like the speaker don't have to attend :shrug:

My point being if he is saying this is not a left or right issue it clearly is as it only affects right wing speakers. This is akin to saying it's traditional to allow young students to be effectively indoctrinated via right wing mouthpieces.

[Ammi]

Laurence Fox to set up new political party dubbed 'Ukip for culture'...

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/laurence-fox-political-party-ukip-culture-reclaim-a4557171.html

[Kizzy]

1309903403229884416

King Danny...literally ;)

[bots]

Then don't go in? All views (apart from those that advocate violence, obvs) deserve a space.

that's not the way things are done at universities these days, and like i say, hate speech isn't tolerated no matter the banner it is under

[Oliver_W]

that's not the way things are done at universities these days, and like i say, hate speech isn't tolerated no matter the banner it is under

Hm I guess that's why the rules need to be changed :laugh: People saying hateful things only shoots themselves in the foot, so give them enough rope tbh. I don't keep up with the "deplatformings" but most of them weren't even hatefu tbh. People like Amber Rudd and Julie Bindel are fine.

[user104658]

My point being if he is saying this is not a left or right issue it clearly is as it only affects right wing speakers. This is akin to saying it's traditional to allow young students to be effectively indoctrinated via right wing mouthpieces.To be fair I would say if there's a policy of not allowing extreme speech then that should be what it is, it shouldn't be politically partisan. If you don't allow a hard right speaker (and I definitely understand the reasons for that) then you shouldn't allow hard left speakers either. Personally I am inclined to think that Universities are not places to be used as mouthpieces for any extreme in a lecture/monologue situation. I think if you're going to book people with extreme views, it should be for a live debate alongside opposing viewpoints (and moderates). Very little to be gained by giving any person or group with strong political views a "soapbox", especially with young students who are mostly still figuring out their political leanings. They need space to do that.

[Liam-]

I have a feeling the ‘please let us be bigots in the open’ party won’t do very well

[user104658]

I have a feeling the ‘please let us be bigots in the open’ party won’t do very well It'll go exactly the same way as Brexit Party and Change UK.

i.e. nowhere.

[Ammi]

I have a feeling the ‘please let us be bigots in the open’ party won’t do very well

...I don’t know, it’s just not catchy enough...the 3 word slogan is the way, I feel, roll like Boris does...Be Better Bigot...?..

[arista]

Laurence Fox to set up new political party dubbed 'Ukip for culture'...

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/laurence-fox-political-party-ukip-culture-reclaim-a4557171.html


Only Due to a Very Rich Conservative backer.


[former
Tory donor Jeremy Hosking.]


Without his Cash
he has nothing.

[Oliver_W]

My point being if he is saying this is not a left or right issue it clearly is as it only affects right wing speakers.
Hmmm ... even if he was brought to the issue by "deplatforming" in universities, free speech is something that every reasonable person should be behind.

[Tom4784]

I look forward to his party flopping like his acting career and attempts to be Katie Hopkins did.

[arista]

I look forward to his party flopping like his acting career and attempts to be Katie Hopkins did.



It's not his money
so Lozza will not care

[bots]

...I don’t know, it’s just not catchy enough...the 3 word slogan is the way, I feel, roll like Boris does...Ke Ketter Kigot...?..

fixed it for you

[Tom4784]

It's not his money
so Lozza will not care

His name is attributed to it, he'll look like a bigger joke than he does already when it quietly dies on it's arse.

[Kizzy]

To be fair I would say if there's a policy of not allowing extreme speech then that should be what it is, it shouldn't be politically partisan. If you don't allow a hard right speaker (and I definitely understand the reasons for that) then you shouldn't allow hard left speakers either. Personally I am inclined to think that Universities are not places to be used as mouthpieces for any extreme in a lecture/monologue situation. I think if you're going to book people with extreme views, it should be for a live debate alongside opposing viewpoints (and moderates). Very little to be gained by giving any person or group with strong political views a "soapbox", especially with young students who are mostly still figuring out their political leanings. They need space to do that.

Define 'hard left' do we know any hard left speakers? What are their views?
We do know some that have been prevented from speaking at uni, Toby Young, Katie Hopkins that Milo wotsit guy.

There is plenty to gain from having all the future voters singing from the same songbook. And as the country lurches further and further right how could you facilitate this covertly? By framing it as 'tradition'.

[Nicky91]

Hosking looks like a huge fool, salty ex-Tory trying to bring his former party down :joker:

[arista]

His name is attributed to it, he'll look like a bigger joke than he does already when it quietly dies on it's arse.



Maybe or Maybe not

[Kizzy]

fixed it for you

How about 'Keep Karens Kingdom!' ;)

[Kizzy]

Hmmm ... even if he was brought to the issue by "deplatforming" in universities, free speech is something that every reasonable person should be behind.

That very much depends on the person on the platform... free speech is noble but hate speech? How 'reasonable' do you have to be before you can differentiate between the two?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Old Laurence certainly seems to get peoples attention that is for sure

[Marsh.]

As if he knows the meaning of culture.

[Oliver_W]

That very much depends on the person on the platform... free speech is noble but hate speech? How 'reasonable' do you have to be before you can differentiate between the two?

I don't see the need to differentiate :shrug: until someone actively calls for violence, they should be able to be hateful as they like.

[Tom4784]

If people want to be hateful little *****, then they can be, on their own platforms. They aren't entitled to demand a platform that belongs to someone else and cry if that platform comes with conditions.

If a university doesn't want you speaking at their events then that's their decision, because it's their establishment, their platform.

[arista]

1310644174845349891

[Beso]

He really is milking the gammon support isn’t he? Bless him, anything to pay the mortgage

Those golden locks will get him the Karen vote as well.:dance:

[Nicky91]

Old Laurence certainly seems to get peoples attention that is for sure

so did Katie Hopkins though


Laurence is really becoming the male katie, gonna predict he'll be banned from twitter too a la katie in no time, with his provoking, trolling

[arista]

1315042919850684420


[A small Manchester charity that works with young people
from poor backgrounds has now presented him
with a legal “cease and desist” letter,
warning him to stop using the name Reclaim for his project.]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/oct/10/reclaim-charity-warns-laurence-foxs-new-party-not-to-use-its-name?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1602365014

[Ammi]

...yeah, I did wonder about the name actually...whether the charity would state an objection and if it would be upheld or allowed anyway...

[Ammi]

...it might be a smaller charity but it’s quite a well known one...

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1315024799761137670/d54V02As?format=jpg&name=small

[Nicky91]

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1315024799761137670/d54V02As?format=jpg&name=small

and not wearing any masks

[Oliver_W]

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1315024799761137670/d54V02As?format=jpg&name=small

Not a bad message to put out there tbh

[Kizzy]

Best thing to come out of this is the exposure for the charity.
Let's help him find a new name.. I say the KGB...( karens, gammons and boomers), surely nobody will object to that? ;)

[Oliver_W]

Best thing to come out of this is the exposure for the charity.
Let's help him find a new name.. I say the KGB...( karens, gammons and boomers), surely nobody will object to that? ;)

May as well, it's not like the kind of NEETs who use terms like that unironically would vote for them anyway ;)

[Nicky91]

Best thing to come out of this is the exposure for the charity.
Let's help him find a new name.. I say the KGB...( karens, gammons and boomers), surely nobody will object to that? ;)

well it's either a new name, or it's over and out for Lozza's few moments of political fame :joker:

[arista]

Laurence Fox
is live tomorrow on Nic's LBC Radio
6AM - 10AM show talking about this new Political Party.

[Kizzy]

It's not a political party... there's a procedure for that, this is yet another random group of right wing malcontents that are for some reason being given a media platform, I wonder why?

[arista]

It's not a political party... there's a procedure for that, this is yet another random group of right wing malcontents that are for some reason being given a media platform, I wonder why?


Planning to be a Political Party.

[Kizzy]

Planning to be a Political Party.

Not a chance...just another right wing sounding board.

[arista]

L. Fox was Live on LBC


He intends to achieve a Political Party
he has masses of followers.


His backer has put £5million in his bank.

[Nicky91]

Not a chance...just another right wing sounding board.

surprises me that Katie Hopkins isn't on board of that ''party'' yet :hehe:


since Laurence and Katie are the same right wing, in love with themselves dumb idiots

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/1315927394558136320

still using the word ''reclaim'' :nono:

[arista]

https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/1315927394558136320

still using the word ''Reclaim'' :nono:



Yes he likes that Word
and Tomorrow AM he is on the Panel
of Ch5HD Live AM from 9:15AM

But also Yasmin Ali Brown
and LBC's Ian Dale

One will be on a Screen.

[arista]

Live in the ITN Studio L.Fox is there
on Ch5HD Live Vine



Yasmin having a go at him.


Watch on Ch5+1

[arista]

1316341614416199680

[Oliver_W]

Live in the ITN Studio L.Fox is there
on Ch5HD Live Vine



Yasmin having a go at him.


Watch on Ch5+1

Let me guess how it went down...

Fox: blahhblahhblahh culture wars, I keep getting silenced-
Yasmin: SHADDAP! YOU IS WHITE MAN!

[Tom4784]

Culture wars is just another buzzword for white genocide which is only said by racists upset that they can't be racist without criticism and so they feel the need to equate that criticism to genocide because they have no idea what oppression is.

[arista]

Let me guess how it went down...

Fox: blahhblahhblahh culture wars, I keep getting silenced-
Yasmin: SHADDAP! YOU IS WHITE MAN!


I record them
It was a Great show

He Wrote down what she said at one point
as she called him Racist.
But then said sorry, took it back.

[The Slim Reaper]

I record them
It was a Great show

He Wrote down what she said at one point
as she called him Racist.
But then said sorry, took it back.

Sounds like a great show

I can see why you record it.

[user104658]

I think she's right that he finds his privilege "hard", but on balance I think that's actually quite a large part of the problem when seeking to recognise and address privilege.

It's not a sliding scale... you can accept and be aware of the privileges you have whilst also being aware of areas that you don't have privilege and I think she illustrates that quite well by pointing out that she IS aware of her own relative privilege. It can be something that's difficult to see when you don't "feel" particularly privileged, I suppose, or can see the areas where actually your own life is harder than other people - some of whom you supposedly have privilege over.

e.g. it's a tough ask to ask a financially struggling white bloke to recognise that he has white privilege over a wealthy black man, and male privilege over a wealthy white woman, whilst at the same time BOTH of those people have wealth privilege over him... but that is indeed how it works, and these privileges come into play in different ways.

Wealthy Sue doesn't ever have to worry about how she's going to pay for a household repair but Burly Jack is in a panic about a leak in his roof - she has privilege.

Burly Jack can walk down a dark street at midnight feeling totally relaxed and confident whereas Wealthy Sue holds tight to her keys because she's being intimidated by a group of drunk lads - he has privilege.

It's not a sweeping thing that applies across the board, it's entirely situational and that's what people struggle to understand I think.

[Ammi]

...what I found interesting is when Yasmin Alibhai-Brown went in to say that her upbringing was to be ‘racist’ too...as her parentage being African/Asian, I think she said..she was brought up as being ‘a middle’, I think were her words or similar...with ‘white’ above and ‘black’ below and she was brought up to very much feel superiority towards black but the white were superior to her...

[arista]

...what I found interesting is when Yasmin Alibhai-Brown went in to say that her upbringing was to be ‘racist’ too...as her parentage being African/Asian, I think she said..she was brought up as being ‘a middle’, I think were her words or similar...with ‘white’ above and ‘black’ below and she was brought up to very much feel superiority towards black but the white were superior to her...


Yes of Course her younger years in North Africa
she was brought up as blacks are the lowest.
Uganda Crazy Leader then kicked out all non blacks
including British Asian Passport holders
hence, her arriving in England, back then

[Ammi]

...yeah, I meant to say that her upbringing was in Africa and that her mother had taught her ‘racism’ because of her own views...and her own ‘superiorities’...she was openly admitting a prejudice taught, if you like...that she doesn’t feel anymore but that she was brought up to feel...I kind of think that Laurence missed all of the points of what she was saying in favour of focusing on his own repeated words...

[Nicky91]

I think she's right that he finds his privilege "hard", but on balance I think that's actually quite a large part of the problem when seeking to recognise and address privilege.

It's not a sliding scale... you can accept and be aware of the privileges you have whilst also being aware of areas that you don't have privilege and I think she illustrates that quite well by pointing out that she IS aware of her own relative privilege. It can be something that's difficult to see when you don't "feel" particularly privileged, I suppose, or can see the areas where actually your own life is harder than other people - some of whom you supposedly have privilege over.

e.g. it's a tough ask to ask a financially struggling white bloke to recognise that he has white privilege over a wealthy black man, and male privilege over a wealthy white woman, whilst at the same time BOTH of those people have wealth privilege over him... but that is indeed how it works, and these privileges come into play in different ways.

Wealthy Sue doesn't ever have to worry about how she's going to pay for a household repair but Burly Jack is in a panic about a leak in his roof - she has privilege.

Burly Jack can walk down a dark street at midnight feeling totally relaxed and confident whereas Wealthy Sue holds tight to her keys because she's being intimidated by a group of drunk lads - he has privilege.

It's not a sweeping thing that applies across the board, it's entirely situational and that's what people struggle to understand I think.

Laurence is a white privileged, whom should have no place in politics

he should just keep his mouth shut, and be banned from twitter, same as his racist troll colleague Katie Hopkins already had been rightfully banned

[Oliver_W]

Burly Jack can walk down a dark street at midnight feeling totally relaxed and confident whereas Wealthy Sue holds tight to her keys because she's being intimidated by a group of drunk lads - he has privilege.

I can't find a source for this (Google on phone!) but aren't men more likely to be beaten up than women are to be raped? So really she should be the confident one.

Unless Burly Jack really is very burly indeed ... got any pics?

[arista]

1316436956386078727

[Tom4784]

I can't find a source for this (Google on phone!) but aren't men more likely to be beaten up than women are to be raped? So really she should be the confident one.

Unless Burly Jack really is very burly indeed ... got any pics?

I don't think there's any sources that could ever attest to that. Common sense dictates that women are more likely to get attacked though, we know sexual assaults are common and that many of them go unreported.

[Oliver_W]

I don't think there's any sources that could ever attest to that. Common sense dictates that women are more likely to get attacked though, we know sexual assaults are common and that many of them go unreported.
Did some digging since getting home:
Research shows men more likely to be the victims of violent attacks by strangers

According to research issued this month by the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare men are more likely to be attacked by random strangers than women.

Newcastle City crime manager Detective Inspector Scott Parker said the rate of females being randomly attacked in public was low.

“But even one incident, is one too many,” said Inspector Parker.

The research found more than one in three assaults on males which resulted in hospitalisation in 2014-15, where the attacker was specified, were perpetrated by strangers. This compared to about one in 14 for females.

For most women following police safety advice that typically follows high-profile random attacks does not mean changing their behaviour.

Being vigilant and aware of surroundings, particularly at night, is something most women already do.

According to Inspector Parker, if out alone females should always carry a charged mobile phone, but he warned some social media platforms allowed tracking of users’ movements.

“Be aware of your security settings on social media and who you permit to know your movements,” he said.

“Ensure people you trust and friends know your planned movements, where relevant.”

Always look out for friends, particularly if they have been drinking, and travel in groups where possible using busy transport hubs with CCTV and good lighting.
https://www.newcastleherald.com.au/story/5523942/research-shows-rates-of-random-attacks-are-low-but-one-incident-is-one-too-many/

[user104658]

It's not really about the actual numbers, the likelihood of being randomly attacked at all isn't very high, the point is FEELING safe vs not. Women are much more likely to feel intimidated and vulnerable in certain situations.

[Kizzy]

I think she's right that he finds his privilege "hard", but on balance I think that's actually quite a large part of the problem when seeking to recognise and address privilege.

It's not a sliding scale... you can accept and be aware of the privileges you have whilst also being aware of areas that you don't have privilege and I think she illustrates that quite well by pointing out that she IS aware of her own relative privilege. It can be something that's difficult to see when you don't "feel" particularly privileged, I suppose, or can see the areas where actually your own life is harder than other people - some of whom you supposedly have privilege over.

e.g. it's a tough ask to ask a financially struggling white bloke to recognise that he has white privilege over a wealthy black man, and male privilege over a wealthy white woman, whilst at the same time BOTH of those people have wealth privilege over him... but that is indeed how it works, and these privileges come into play in different ways.

Wealthy Sue doesn't ever have to worry about how she's going to pay for a household repair but Burly Jack is in a panic about a leak in his roof - she has privilege.

Burly Jack can walk down a dark street at midnight feeling totally relaxed and confident whereas Wealthy Sue holds tight to her keys because she's being intimidated by a group of drunk lads - he has privilege.

It's not a sweeping thing that applies across the board, it's entirely situational and that's what people struggle to understand I think.

I agree with some of your terms in relation to black and white men but that's it, privilege in this context that YAB refers to relate's to a whole life lived experience, not just privilege on the basis of physical strength or financial stability. Those privileges are situational rather than fundamental.

[Ammi]

...when Yasmin started to speak of ‘privilege’...?..she was speaking of the ‘privilege’ of those who are able be who they are and not feel prejudice for that...well, not just prejudice but that some receive actual hate for who they are...she said that she had received death threats...not for anything she said or anything she did etc...(...and death threats would always be wrong, always obviously...)...she said those hostile feelings of hate were aimed at her because she was female and she was Muslim and she was an immigrant...and that had been apparent because of the content of the threats and the content of the hate...what she was trying to explain...?..is that Laurence as a ‘white actor or white person from the Fox family and doing his acting etc...’....was privileged because he could be who he was/what he was and didn’t receive hate for it...I mean, whether people gave him bad reviews for his acting or whatever...whether they liked him or not on their screens ...he would be being judged by a performance basically...and that’s perfectly understandable, isn’t it...he’d never been judged in his life in the same ways...because he isn’t female and he isn’t Muslim and he isn’t an immigrant, so how could he have...

...anyways, Laurence just deflected completely...so maybe, Kizzy...he should be a politician, ooops...and said...’well I've had death threats..’...and that’s completely wrong that he’s had them, that should never be for anyone...but he hasn’t had any in the same context...he hasn’t had them for just being...’Laurence Fox, the White actor, born into the Fox family’...?...and that’s what she was describing ‘privilege’ as because so many of us have that privilege, don’t we...when he talks about ‘pride in who he is’ ...Yasmin wasn’t ever made to feel any pride in who she is...a female Muslim immigrant, she was threatened death directly because of those things ....he just didn’t get it at all and didn’t listen or absorb anything she said...it was really so sad to see that kind of ‘privileged ignorance’ that he displayed...

[Kizzy]

Yes, but those blinkered ignorant views are very popular at the moment. He's seen the niche, the void to be filled as the other fringe right wing agitator parties are strangely quiet at the moment... not that I'm missing Tommy at all but you would've thought all this would be right up his alley. Where is he?

[Ammi]

...did he go to Spain to live, I think he might have done...

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkR4r7qWAAAacDM?format=jpg&name=small

Last week
He even got a chance to survey the field.

[arista]

Laurence Fox launches new
party to fight ‘WAR ON WOKE’ – ‘We’re not on our own side!’


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1365940/Laurence-Fox-news-Reclaim-Party-woke-culture-political-correctness-Black-Lives-Matter-ont


Sign Of The Times.


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[Kizzy]

Another right wing motormouth... woke is the new pc, just a way of disparaging anything that might be described as left wing.
He's some actor that was in a crime drama 10yrs ago, why has he been given such a huge media platform?

To aid in the war on progressives.

[bots]

Another right wing motormouth... woke is the new pc, just a way of disparaging anything that might be described as left wing.
He's some actor that was in a crime drama 10yrs ago, why has he been given such a huge media platform?

To aid in the war on progressives.

he was married to Billie Piper which is probably his main claim to fame :laugh:

[Tom4784]

It's pretty easy to create a career doing **** like this, the right wing are gullible enough to lift up anyone who will tell them what they want to hear.

[arista]

It's pretty easy to create a career doing **** like this, the right wing are gullible enough to lift up anyone who will tell them what they want to hear.

For sure
he has a large following now


His Party Link
https://twitter.com/thereclaimparty

[arista]

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[The Slim Reaper]

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[Scarlett.]

I miss when I just knew him as Lewis' assistant

[Ammi]

...well...

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[Niamh.]

:laugh2:

[arista]

No need to get so Rude

[Niamh.]

What did Billie Piper ever see in that guy though?

[arista]

What did Billie Piper ever see in that guy though?


He is Very Fit

Musician and Actor

[Niamh.]

He is Very Fit

Musician and Actor

He's really not fit at all, ew

[arista]

He's really not fit at all, ew


He was when Billie dated him

[Niamh.]

He was when Billie dated him

If by fit you mean good looking then no he wasn't

[arista]

If by fit you mean good looking then no he wasn't


He was very Fit

Starring in Lewis for ITV.

[The Slim Reaper]

He is Very Fit

Musician and Actor

https://media4.giphy.com/media/Ck1Pib39Dl5TSzFB3S/giphy.gif

[arista]

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[GoldHeart]

He was very Fit

Starring in Lewis for ITV.

That's a funny joke , thanks for the laugh :laugh3::joker: .

[Tom4784]

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So he's fine with calling gay people peadophiles but he gets upset when someone reveals he was a bully at school?

The Free Speech brigade are once again showing themselves to be utter hypocritical snowflakes.

[arista]

So he's fine with calling gay people peadophiles but he gets upset when someone reveals he was a bully at school?

The Free Speech brigade are once again showing themselves to be utter hypocritical snowflakes.


He only did it once

[Tom4784]

He only did it once

No, he did it to at least two gay people and once would have been bad enough. He chose to respond to two notable gay people are peadophiles for no other reason then they are gay.

You really need to consider not excusing bigotry if it comes from someone you happen to like, especially when it's hypocritical given that you seem to support this twat in his efforts to threaten someone for bringing up his expulsion.

[Ammi]

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[Niamh.]

:laugh2:

[Cherie]

:laugh:

[bots]

"Compliance is violence" has there ever been a more absurd catch phrase

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4VCXwVX0AMQ30r?format=jpg&name=large
Large Version

From the Sunday Telegraph
which is Pay only View
So a Great Tweet gave us this photo

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4VCXwVX0AMQ30r?format=jpg&name=900x900

[arista]

[Actor and self-styled 'anti-woke' activist Laurence Fox
has announced a campaign against the alleged politicisation
of legal institutions as the latest focus
for his Reclaim political party.
In an article for The Spectator this week,
Fox wrote: ’I see Reclaim as a movement:
one part is electoral, another is focused
on media, and we will be adding a
third spike to our trident in the area of law,
which I look forward to telling you
more about in June.’]

[The Gazette understands that the campaign
has provisionally been named the
Bad Law Project, an apparent reference
to barrister Jolyon Maugham’s Good Law Project,
which has mounted several high-profile
legal challenges to government policies.

Fox set up Reclaim in 2020
'to change freedom of speech laws and to
depoliticise the police and other public institutions'.
He finished sixth in last year's London mayoral
election with 47,634 votes.
According to its website,
'Reclaim stands for patriotism and believes
hard work should be rewarded.
We believe in protecting our borders,
supporting forgotten working class communities
and, above all, true equality for all Britons - rather
than dividing us into narrow, protected groups.']


https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/fox-hits-back-with-bad-law-project/5112541.article


He was Live on GBnewsHD