Harry and Meghan Deny Netflix reality show reports

[arista]

[Meghan and Harry have reportedly agreed
to star in a Netflix reality series
Docuseries will follow couple for 3 months
and focus on their charitable work
'It will all be very tasteful, and
not Katie Price and Peter Andre-style reality TV,' a source said]


I am sure some papers can not wait
to have a go at them.



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8779057/Meghan-Markle-Prince-Harry-agreed-star-fly-wall-Netflix-reality-series.html

[Ammi]

...I am sure as well...:laugh:...they dismiss them as not worth the paper that they’re printed on and report every aspect of their lives...whatever would those sneaky media things do without their Meghan and Harry...

[LaLaLand]

But I genuinely thought the whole point of their “leaving”/move was the get away from any sort of intrusion from media, right?

This is exactly what they claim they had to “escape from”.

[Ammi]

...more on their terms though La, La...because the media have liked to make their own version of fly on the wall...is the point, surely...

[Smithy]

But I genuinely thought the whole point of their “leaving”/move was the get away from any sort of intrusion from media, right?

This is exactly what they claim they had to “escape from”.

They have complete control over this though

[Ammi]

...anyways, it’s not something I’m particularly focused on in spending time thinking about...I’m not going to go through every step of the making of and Harry shouting camera/action, type thing...whether I’ll watch it when it reaches my Netflix screen, I really don’t know...I don’t plan my viewing that far ahead...but I wish them good luck with it all...and glad that they’re able to have so much more control in their lives...etc...

[bots]

honestly couldn't give a crap what they do, but I won't be watching it

[Cherie]

They have complete control over this though

They had complete control over their trip to SA :shrug: and they will have no control over the critics

[Cherie]

But I genuinely thought the whole point of their “leaving”/move was the get away from any sort of intrusion from media, right?

This is exactly what they claim they had to “escape from”.

Lies as most people pointed out as soon as they left Canada...

[Cherie]

Katie Price and the Kardashians must be quaking

[joeysteele]

If people want to watch it they will.
They've got their terms on the making of it.
I just state all I've said before which is I wish them the best of luck.
I hope they find success.

I actually think those who criticise them strongly may possibly be ones who will watch every minute, to look to seize on anything to highlight as bad as to them.
However there are people too, who like them and will watch this out of genuine liking and admiration for them.

I'm not either for or against them.
The titles issue means little to me as does the aggressive dislike for anything and everything Meghan says or does.

[Ammi]

If people want to watch it they will.
They've got their terms on the making of it.
I just state all I've said before which is I wish them the best of luck.
I hope they find success.

I actually think those who criticise them strongly may possibly be ones who will watch every minute, to look to seize on anything to highlight as bad as to them.
However there are people too, who like them and will watch this out of genuine liking and admiration for them.

I'm not either for or against them.
The titles issue means little to me as does the aggressive dislike for anything and everything Meghan says or does.



...well they’ve got to make their income, Joey...because we don’t want them to be a kept couple with any royal funding etc...and I guess with COVID restrictions atm and no contact etc and social distancing which is also applied in the entertainment world of movies and TV shows etc...?..’fly on the wall’ is a good option, with so much being able to be filmed themselves...we’re seeing ‘own home’ stuff a lot atm aren’t we...

[joeysteele]

...well they’ve got to make their income, Joey...because we don’t want them to be a kept couple with any royal funding etc...and I guess with COVID restrictions atm and no contact etc and social distancing which is also applied in the entertainment world of movies and TV shows etc...?..’fly on the wall’ is a good option, with so much being able to be filmed themselves...we’re seeing ‘own home’ stuff a lot atm aren’t we...

I agree with that Ammi.
It's a deal that suits them so well done to them and really good luck to them both.

[UserSince2005]

It either be so over produced that it will be awful to watch. or her mask will fall hehe.

[arista]

They have complete control over this though

Yes She will almost Edit it.

[bots]

the Marquess of Bath (bless him) did a reality series that i thoroughly enjoyed, but he was a great character which sadly, Harry and Meghan are not

[Cherie]

the Marquess of Bath (bless him) did a reality series that i thoroughly enjoyed, but he was a great character which sadly, Harry and Meghan are not

Remember that, yes he was brilliant

[Ammi]

...Meghan Markle in Netflix killing fly on wall shocker..


https://media.giphy.com/media/X9tEKODk3kXGo/giphy.gif

[rusticgal]

They have complete control over this though


She wants us all to see the 'real' her....directed and edited by hers truly :laugh:.

[Beso]

...well they’ve got to make their income, Joey...because we don’t want them to be a kept couple with any royal funding etc...and I guess with COVID restrictions atm and no contact etc and social distancing which is also applied in the entertainment world of movies and TV shows etc...?..’fly on the wall’ is a good option, with so much being able to be filmed themselves...we’re seeing ‘own home’ stuff a lot atm aren’t we...



There will be hardly any at home stuff in this pile of ****e.

[Tom4784]

But I genuinely thought the whole point of their “leaving”/move was the get away from any sort of intrusion from media, right?

This is exactly what they claim they had to “escape from”.

They'll never escape from the media but they can dictate the terms, not that it'll do much to change the utterly irrational (racial) hatred of Meghan though. I've seen people on this forum call them scroungers and unemployed but as soon as they sign a deal to guarantee themselves financial independence, the same people are slating them for it.

Some people just live to hate.

[user104658]

They'll never escape from the media but they can dictate the terms, not that it'll do much to change the utterly irrational (racial) hatred of Meghan though. I've seen people on this forum call them scroungers and unemployed but as soon as they sign a deal to guarantee themselves financial independence, the same people are slating them for it.

Some people just live to hate.

Indeed. If they make their money in the media/entertainment industry they're branded pathetic sell-outs. If they were to go back to the Royals cap in hand they'd be embarrassing scroungers. If they were to get more "normal" jobs doing something else entirely out of the spotlight they'd be laughed at as "the mighty having fallen". There is literally no option that isn't a path to ridicule, because let's face it, for those doing it the ridicule is the whole point and the specifics don't really matter.

[Tom4784]

Indeed. If they make their money in the media/entertainment industry they're branded pathetic sell-outs. If they were to go back to the Royals cap in hand they'd be embarrassing scroungers. If they were to get more "normal" jobs doing something else entirely out of the spotlight they'd be laughed at as "the mighty having fallen". There is literally no option that isn't a path to ridicule, because let's face it, for those doing it the ridicule is the whole point and the specifics don't really matter.

Pretty much, it's irrational and senseless.

I don't even care about these two that much at all but the hatred just bothers me because it's just so bizarre and weird.

[Liam-]

So it’s a show that will highlight the charities they support and do good work for, but of course the gammon will still find a way to slaughter the pair of them

[Crimson Dynamo]

SO SPurs did a fly on the wall and Jose comes out of it a nice guy - sincere, caring, a good guy

coz gues what

he is all that


SO lets just see what this little fly on the wall will tell us...


:joker:

[rusticgal]

So it’s a show that will highlight the charities they support and do good work for, but of course the gammon will still find a way to slaughter the pair of them

Hopefully they will be able to achieve that this time without making it all about them....

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hopefully they will be able to achieve that this time without making it all about them....

:whistle:

[Tom4784]

Honestly, they could appear for one frame in the background of one shot and people would still be all like 'THEY MADE IT ALL ABOUT THEM!!!!'

It's pure irrational hatred.

[Cherie]

Hopefully they will be able to achieve that this time without making it all about them....

Indeed!

[Ammi]

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex have responded to claims that they're set to star in a new show for Netflix.

The pair recently signed a huge multi-year deal with the streaming site to produce feature films, scripted shows, documentaries and children’s programming. Reports soon began swirling that Prince Harry and Meghan would offer fans a glimpse into their lives as part of the agreement.

It was suggested that cameras would follow them for three months as part of a fly-on-the-wall series, which would be "tasteful" and "focus on their charity work".

However, the couple have now released a statement denying the rumours. A spokesperson told The Independent: “The Duke and Duchess are not taking part in any reality shows.” Instead, they are working on a nature docu-series as well as an animated series that celebrates inspiring women.

Despite being a professional actress prior to her life as a royal, Meghan will not be acting in any of the projects, Harper's Bazaar US has confirmed, with a source also adding that the former royals are pledging to commit to diverse hires on and off camera.


"Our focus will be on creating content that informs but also gives hope," Harry and Meghan explained in a statement at the time of the original Netflix announcement. "As new parents, making inspirational family programming is also important to us."

The couple added that Netflix's "unprecedented reach" — a massive audience that's currently 193 million subscribers strong — "will help [them to] share impactful content that unlocks action".

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/uk/culture/a34190789/harry-meghan-netflix-reality-show/

[Ammi]

...is this fake news, Arista...I think it might be...


...DM’s gotta DM...

[jet]

Hopefully they will be able to achieve that this time without making it all about them....

No chance of that...

[jet]

So this pair of self serving ‘privacy seeking’ (errr...attention seeking) hypocrites are going to make sure their so called ‘good works’ are broadcast to the world, and in effect, getting paid big money while doing it by Netflix.

No working for charity quietly and with dignity behind the scenes for them. It’s all about ‘look at us, how CARING we are when Meghan’s previous charitable endeavours was turning up with photographers for a 10 ten minute quickie and then making sure everyone knew about it. They are so predictably awful that I can’t even be bothered now.

[rusticgal]

Honestly, they could appear for one frame in the background of one shot and people would still be all like 'THEY MADE IT ALL ABOUT THEM!!!!'

It's pure irrational hatred.


...errr no...its called an opinion. Please explain where the hatred is?

[Tom4784]

...errr no...its called an opinion. Please explain where the hatred is?

And my opinion is that the hatred of them is irrational because anything they do is seen as a negative.

Opinions are a two way street, buddy. Not a shield to stop someone from criticising your views.

[rusticgal]

No working for charity quietly and with dignity behind the scenes for them. It’s all about ‘look at us, how CARING we are when Meghan’s previous charitable endeavours was turning up with photographers for a 10 ten minute quickie and then making sure everyone knew about it. They are so predictably awful that I can’t even be bothered now.


Spot on Jet.....they should take some tips from Princess Anne..work hard for their charities and be humble at the same time.

[arista]

...is this fake news, Arista...I think it might be...


...DM’s gotta DM...


Its on Every News Channel
Worldwide

[Ammi]

...it’s being reported that that they’re not even doing it though...I’ll just quote this down..../...this seems to be fake news and tabloid media being too eager in reporting things that aren’t true ...



The Duke and Duchess of Sussex have responded to claims that they're set to star in a new show for Netflix.

The pair recently signed a huge multi-year deal with the streaming site to produce feature films, scripted shows, documentaries and children’s programming. Reports soon began swirling that Prince Harry and Meghan would offer fans a glimpse into their lives as part of the agreement.

It was suggested that cameras would follow them for three months as part of a fly-on-the-wall series, which would be "tasteful" and "focus on their charity work".

However, the couple have now released a statement denying the rumours. A spokesperson told The Independent: “The Duke and Duchess are not taking part in any reality shows.” Instead, they are working on a nature docu-series as well as an animated series that celebrates inspiring women.

Despite being a professional actress prior to her life as a royal, Meghan will not be acting in any of the projects, Harper's Bazaar US has confirmed, with a source also adding that the former royals are pledging to commit to diverse hires on and off camera.


"Our focus will be on creating content that informs but also gives hope," Harry and Meghan explained in a statement at the time of the original Netflix announcement. "As new parents, making inspirational family programming is also important to us."

The couple added that Netflix's "unprecedented reach" — a massive audience that's currently 193 million subscribers strong — "will help [them to] share impactful content that unlocks action".

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/uk/culture/a34190789/harry-meghan-netflix-reality-show/

[LukeB]

Honestly, they could appear for one frame in the background of one shot and people would still be all like 'THEY MADE IT ALL ABOUT THEM!!!!'

It's pure irrational hatred.

:clap1: it’s quite obsessive tbh

[Ammi]

Its on Every News Channel
Worldwide

...well if you insist on the DM as your source, Arista...it’s also being reported on there now that it has been denied and is fake news...I’m not providing the link, though....I’m sure you’ll easily find it...

[Ammi]

...of course, we could just carry on as if it’s true and NEWS or whatever...I’m sure there’s still lots to say about them not doing something ...

[rusticgal]

And my opinion is that the hatred of them is irrational because anything they do is seen as a negative.

Opinions are a two way street, buddy. Not a shield to stop someone from criticising your views.


First of all...I aint your Buddy.

Secondly...no one on this thread or on many discussions show 'hatred'....dislike but not hatred. Are you saying that any negetive comment is 'irrational hatred'?...

[arista]

...well if you insist on the DM as your source, Arista...it’s also being reported on there now that it has been denied and is fake news...I’m not providing the link, though....I’m sure you’ll easily find it...


SkyNewsHD have updated it,


Harry and Meghan deny Netflix reality show reports

[Harry and Meghan have denied reports they are set
to take part in a reality show for Netflix, after signing
a deal with the streaming service.
A spokesman for the couple said the duke and
duchess "are not taking part in any reality shows" following tabloid
reports that a "fly-on-the-wall" series is planned.]

https://news.sky.com/story/harry-and-meghan-deny-netflix-reality-show-reports-12084401

[jet]

Honestly, their haters tie themselves up in knots trying to justify it when really, they should take a breath and really look at themselves and what they've become.

What a dramatic imagination you have! :laugh:

[arista]

...well if you insist on the DM as your source, Arista...it’s also being reported on there now that it has been denied and is fake news...I’m not providing the link, though....I’m sure you’ll easily find it...



No that was just a fast source
Early AM.

[Ammi]

...smooth swerve, Arista...it’s not really SD or news though if they’re not doing something that they never said they were doing...it’s just another Monday for them...’Harry and Meghan having a nice Monday’...could be the thread title...?..

[Ammi]

No that was just a fast source
Early AM.

...no, it wasn’t a fast source...it was a false source...typical tabloid media with Meghan and Harry, just made up is what it seems to be...

[arista]

...smooth swerve, Arista...it’s not really SD or news though if they’re not doing something that they never said they were doing...it’s just another Monday for them...’Harry and Meghan having a nice Monday’...could be the thread title...?..


NO

The Title is now Correct


Bossy Lady

[rusticgal]

What a dramatic imagination you have! :laugh:


:laugh2:

[arista]

...no, it wasn’t a fast source...it was a false source...typical tabloid media with Meghan and Harry, just made up is what it seems to be...


Look at that Time 6:28AM
it was on Every TV news
they also said the same as the Newspaper......................

[Ammi]

NO

The Title is now Correct


Bossy Lady

...you are most wise, Arista...:love:...(..only not always in the early mornings...:laugh:..)...

[bots]

Arista, you have out done yourself with completely changing the title and context of the thread :joker:

[Beso]

scripted shows,


It will be one of those types.

[Ammi]

Arista, you have out done yourself with completely changing the title and context of the thread :joker:

....Arista ain’t ya sista, change that thread title, punk...move it, move it, move it...


...we love a magician ...:love:..

[arista]

scripted shows,


It will be one of those types.


No they are not brave enough to do a series

[Jordan.]

omg they are keeping all of us little sussexians FED with all this new content :flutter:

[jet]

The devoted fans she has left who seem to think she can do no wrong must be SO disappointed….:bawling:
I’m not convinced though that they won’t do a scripted docu of some sort to show how caring and wonderful they are in all their preachy lectureness.

After all, they have jumped on every bandwagon going so far in their desperation to be relevant, how could they resist?...
Meanwhile, the latest bandwagon opportunity (whatever that will be) is coming to a bench in the garden of their mansion soon...watch this space.

[Cherie]

The devoted fans she has left who seem to think she can do no wrong must be SO disappointed….:bawling:
I’m not convinced though that they won’t do a scripted docu of some sort to show how caring and wonderful they are in all their preachy lectureness.

After all, they have jumped on every bandwagon going so far in their desperation to be relevant, how could they resist?...
Meanwhile, the latest bandwagon opportunity (whatever that will be) is coming to a bench in the garden of their mansion soon...watch this space.

fingers in ears time for the irrational fans of H and M:hehe:

[rusticgal]

:clap1: it’s quite obsessive tbh


No more obsessive than the supporters...:laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

The problem is they are just a sancimonious unlikeable pair and because they are a little deluded (like say Louis Hamilton) and they think people buy their bs it makes people think they are a pair of doughnuts.

[Oliver_W]

What, Miss Hollywood who married a prince and moved to LA wants a reality tv show?! How surprising.

If people really want them to go away for good, they could at least stop reporting on every time they break wind. Who cares? Let Rosie and Jim do their thing, watch it or don't.

[arista]

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[Tom4784]

First of all...I aint your Buddy.

Secondly...no one on this thread or on many discussions show 'hatred'....dislike but not hatred. Are you saying that any negetive comment is 'irrational hatred'?...

i'm saying that it's the same people who describe them as royal scroungers who shat on them for securing their financial independence from the crown with the Netflix deal. It's the same people who can't see them doing charity work without feeling the need to **** on it. When you dislike someone, you avoid talking about them, you avoid acknowledging them, when someone obsessively hates to an irrational degree, they'll look for reasons to **** on then whenever they can. A lot of hate that this couple gets falls into the latter.

If you honestly dislike someone, you'll be happier if you don't base your life around hating them.

[Tom4784]

What a dramatic imagination you have! :laugh:

You should try letting that hatred go, it'll be a weight off your shoulders.

[Tom4784]

No more obsessive than the supporters...:laugh:

Honestly, I don't give a **** about the royals, I just see a bizarre level of hatred aimed at Meghan and I think it's racially motivated as much as anything else and I'm gonna call it out. I could live my life without hearing about them again and not know the difference but I think people who hate this couple so deeply would seek out reasons to hate them and that's just sad.

[rusticgal]

i'm saying that it's the same people who describe them as royal scroungers who shat on them for securing their financial independence from the crown with the Netflix deal. It's the same people who can't see them doing charity work without feeling the need to **** on it. When you dislike someone, you avoid talking about them, you avoid acknowledging them, when someone obsessively hates to an irrational degree, they'll look for reasons to **** on then whenever they can. A lot of hate that this couple gets falls into the latter.

If you honestly dislike someone, you'll be happier if you don't base your life around hating them.


But most of us come on here to debate present issues...they are both subject matter for many based on their decision to quit public life and the Royal family. They attract much debate...hence why any thread on them often leads to many pages of discussion.
Many dislike what they have done and what they do :shrug:...and this forum amongst others give people the opportunity to say so....and it gives people the opportunity to support them :shrug:....shame that can't be done without over exaggerating the feelings of people that don't agree with what they are doing.

[rusticgal]

Honestly, I don't give a **** about the royals, I just see a bizarre level of hatred aimed at Meghan and I think it's racially motivated as much as anything else and I'm gonna call it out. I could live my life without hearing about them again and not know the difference but I think people who hate this couple so deeply would seek out reasons to hate them and that's just sad.


You think everything is racially motivated sadly...

[jet]

Excellent points, Rusticgal. :clap1:
No need for me to add anything. :hee:

[Glenn.]

So it’s fake tabloid news and STILL they are in the wrong?

[Glenn.]

Jesus have you actually read the comments on that article lmao.

[Marsh.]

But most of us come on here to debate present issues...

Harry and Meghan are a "present issue".

:laugh2:

Good thing you don't have real problems.

[Marsh.]

So it’s fake tabloid news and STILL they are in the wrong?

:joker:

[Tom4784]

But most of us come on here to debate present issues...they are both subject matter for many based on their decision to quit public life and the Royal family. They attract much debate...hence why any thread on them often leads to many pages of discussion.
Many dislike what they have done and what they do :shrug:...and this forum amongst others give people the opportunity to say so....and it gives people the opportunity to support them :shrug:....shame that can't be done without over exaggerating the feelings of people that don't agree with what they are doing.

I don't think many people really care, it's just a few obssessives that bend over backwards to hate them. If someone finds themselves hating them for being 'royal scroungers' and then hating them for getting a career path outside of the Royal Family to fund their Independence than that is pure irrational hatred. To hate them for something and then hate them for trying to change that thing is just unreasonable and irrational.

These same people hated Meghan and then hated her more when she peaced out, normal people would have just left it at that but irrational people are not normal. It doesn't matter what the couple does, the same people will always hate them and that's obsessive behaviour and incredibly unhealthy.

If anyone spends their life discussing someone they hate to such lengths, to me that's just a waste. They are not world leaders, they are not killers or criminals, they are basically celebrities whose lives have no real impact on anyone else's. it's all just very sad, really.

[Tom4784]

You think everything is racially motivated sadly...

So you get more offended on behalf of others when it comes to accusations of racism then you do about racism itself. Interesting.

[Swan]

So you get more offended on behalf of others when it comes to accusations of racism then you do about racism itself. Interesting.

Why are you twisting what she said? She has a point, you bring race into everything. I can you assure most of the dislike has NOTHING to do with her race.

If, for example, a white person said they didn't like Kayne West, would you automatically assume it was because of his race, or because he's an idiot? No of course you wouldn't assume racism, because the man is an unlikable attention seeking fool. Well some people think Megan is an unlikable attention fool, it's sometimes that simple Dezzy. It's not all about race!

[Ammi]

...to be fair, though...with Meghan specifically and her not feeling accepted by the media and some public etc, all which led up to her and Harry’s decision to step back from the type of ‘fame’ they were receiving ...(...I don’t know about anything domestically within the Royal family, none of us do...we either choose to absorb gossip and have that impact our opinions or we don’t...)...there were very much race related things involved, right from the off there were with comments like ‘exotic blood’ and ‘wrong side of the tracks’...there were many undercurrents of race related...and even with little Archie, of that photo and comment released when he was born...there was absolutely no subtlety there of the meaning ...so if and when that’s questioned../..pondered or whatever...it’s for very good and obvious reason and that’s the whole point, everything has a reason...and it is a reason because it has been an actual reason for Harry and Meghan as a statement was given out about it at one time...so I would say, very much contributory...

...yes we can like or we can dislike, of course and it can be based on many things...especially when it’s a ‘I don’t know them but I dislike them intensely’ though...there are usually very much, reasons for that...some type of personal association type thing that someone just can’t take to that person...otherwise it does indeed become of the ‘irrational’ vein....because we all do know the reasons for our likes and dislikes etc...for others whose mindsets in likes/dislikes of people have a tendency to have a reasoning...then a natural reasoning is searched for with thought processing...and yeah, that will lead to things that we know...that’s the way that reasoning links in the old head...

...so far as Kanye is concerned and his often erratic behaviour...well exactly that...there is a reason a very obvious and definite reason for liking or disliking and everything in between, as it were...he is bipolar and has very poor mental health and because he also has to live that out in public...then yeah, it will create very ‘bi polar’ of opinions about him...

[Ammi]

...very plentiful use of the word ‘reason’ there...

[Ammi]

...that was the long of it because I’ve just woken up so my thoughts aren’t completely together yet...but the short of it...?...is that so many things that have been reported with Meghan that have been so similar to things with Kate...have been entirely different in their slant and vein of... with one being very positive and the other being very negative, when there really has t been differences in those things so the logical would be of s similar vein in reporting...so in view of that and the things that have been stated outright and openly inferred etc...of course, ‘race’ is questioned and absolutely questioned in the name of equal, surely it’s everyone’s responsibility to question...

[Swan]

Tbf the phrase "wrong side of the tracks" has nothing to do with a persons race, more to do with their standing in society if you like. Same as and similar to "a bit rough around the edges". Neither race related.

Of course, some of the old fashioned, Royal 'purists' may be against "Harry marrying a coloured girl". And of course they'll be a very small minority who are against her because she is mixed race. But to say the dislike of her is spearheaded by race is utterly absurd imo.

She does herself no favours, they both don't. They're not wonderfully likeable people. A lot of us are just fed up of their hypocrisy at every turn, and it's so awfully plain to see.

I think it weakens a persons argument when they holler "racist" at someone because they happen to dislike a mixed race person.

The perfect example being me, i cannot stand Megan, i don't hate her, but my god i think both of them are pompous, deluded, hypocritical idiots, yet i have a mix raced girlfriend. Would you point the finger at me and spout racist accusations towards me because i don't like Megan? Probably not.

A very, very, VERY small minority of people will be against Megan because of her race. But by saying "oh well obviously everyone who doesn't like her is racist" is beyond any form or rational.

[bots]

i find them dull, predictable and irrelevant. Hate is a very strong word that should be used sparingly against precise examples and not thrown around as a general method of silencing opposing opinions

[Ammi]

...we don’t know whether it’s minority or majority though because there hasn’t been a balance of anything in the media, so of course...we question in what we see and experience, not what we don’t see and experience...racism/prejudice will and should always be questioned If it’s been such an undercurrent which has been a constant, as it has with Meghan...and with ‘wrong side of the tracks’...?...obviously we have to look at the whole context and whole media picture as it were and can’t exclude or isolate from ‘exotic blood’...

...as for ‘hypocrites’ ...well, we are all...every single one of us...and with celebrity hypocrites...well, welcome to the world of many and many and every one and all...:laugh:..


...anyways, all in all, things are questioned because they should be because if they weren’t then the surface appearance would be of the ‘irrational’ ....

[Glenn.]

I don't think many people really care, it's just a few obssessives that bend over backwards to hate them. If someone finds themselves hating them for being 'royal scroungers' and then hating them for getting a career path outside of the Royal Family to fund their Independence than that is pure irrational hatred. To hate them for something and then hate them for trying to change that thing is just unreasonable and irrational.

These same people hated Meghan and then hated her more when she peaced out, normal people would have just left it at that but irrational people are not normal. It doesn't matter what the couple does, the same people will always hate them and that's obsessive behaviour and incredibly unhealthy.

If anyone spends their life discussing someone they hate to such lengths, to me that's just a waste. They are not world leaders, they are not killers or criminals, they are basically celebrities whose lives have no real impact on anyone else's. it's all just very sad, really.

Pretty much this.

They’ll never accept it though

[Swan]

In your honest opinion Ammi, would you say the dislike, on the whole, of Megan is spearheaded by her race?

I don't really read newspaper headlines, but by the general feeling i get by the people i see online who don't like her, it really has nothing to do her race.

[Glenn.]

Regardless of her race the hatred of her is not warranted, hence irrational

[Swan]

Regardless of her race the hatred of her is not warranted, hence irrational

Well that's another issue too. Just because you don't like someone, doesn't mean you hate the person. The word 'hate' is thrown around way too much in these Megan and Harry threads.

[Glenn.]

Well that's another issue too. Just because you don't like someone, doesn't mean you hate the person. The word 'hate' is thrown around way too much in these Megan and Harry threads.

When you’re saying the complete opposite of nice things about people it’s exactly the word to use. People that have such an issue with the pair of them on here are completely irrational with their opinions of them.

[Ammi]

In your honest opinion Ammi, would you say the dislike, on the whole, of Megan is spearheaded by her race?

I don't really read newspaper headlines, but by the general feeling i get by the people i see online who don't like her, it really has nothing to do her race.

....I can’t really say on the ‘whole’ because I don’t know...but I do think that when ‘the irrational’ rears it’s head to the extent of the intense negativity levelled at Meghan then the ‘the logical’ will try to make sense of, it’s a natural thought processing and as there have been so many undercurrents of prejudices toward Meghan’s bloodline...then it’s right to be questioned...prejudice should always be questioned if we seek progression...and seek equality...


...if I personally felt some kind of dislike for someone I’d never spoken to and only ever essentially experienced ‘gossip’ from sources who had an investment in that gossip../...as in some sources of ‘media’...then I would question my dislike of...because there is very rarely, if ever..’no reason’...

...I guess all I can say really with ‘it seems to have nothing to do with her race’...?...is that there wouldn’t be many people who would openly say ‘no, I don’t like the colour of her skin, I’m not really a fan for the Royal bloodline’.....so again, it’s all understandably questioned because of those constant undercurrents and not so undercurrents but more blatant etc...

[Ammi]

Well that's another issue too. Just because you don't like someone, doesn't mean you hate the person. The word 'hate' is thrown around way too much in these Megan and Harry threads.

...we always have to look at ‘too much’ on ‘both sides’ though, when our thought processes search...but so far as ‘both sides’ do go as well..?...it takes two sides and both sides to continue this tedious dance, which is felt as well, I feel...my main thoughts yesterday were of the fake news bit...but regardless of fake or no fake...the dance continues and continues, which I’ll be sitting out because there’s only so much dancing before exhaustion becomes a thing as well...

[Swan]

...we always have to look at ‘too much’ on ‘both sides’ though, when our thought processes search...but so far as ‘both sides’ do go as well..?...it takes two sides and both sides to continue this tedious dance, which is felt as well, I feel...my main thoughts yesterday were of the fake news bit...but regardless of fake or no fake...the dance continues and continues, which I’ll be sitting out because there’s only so much dancing before exhaustion becomes a thing as well...

Im with you on that. I actually didn't want to even read this thread, i just wanted to address the whole 'you hate her because you're racist' which i feel is absurd. And it's the same with everything nowadays, the 'you're a racist' is thrown around way too often by certain members. But anyway, i'll leave it at that.

[Swan]

When you’re saying the complete opposite of nice things about people it’s exactly the word to use. People that have such an issue with the pair of them on here are completely irrational with their opinions of them.

By calling out their questionable behaviour, it doesn't mean you hate them. If you don't say nice things about them, that also doesn't mean you hate them either. Get a grip!

Anyway, im out.

[Glenn.]

I think if you refuse to see anything good in someone, by default you hate them yes?

When you’re imagining peoples thought processes and seeing them thought processes as fact by default that would be an irrational way of thinking yes?

Irrational hatred yes?

[Swan]

I like that she's against hunting for sport, a sport loved by her in-laws. So yeah, there you go she's not all bad. Would i qualify as not hating her now, and simply disliking her?!

[Ammi]

Im with you on that. I actually didn't want to even read this thread, i just wanted to address the whole 'you hate her because you're racist' which i feel is absurd. And it's the same with everything nowadays, the 'you're a racist' is thrown around way too often by certain members. But anyway, i'll leave it at that.

...I have to say that ‘certain members’ posts are focused on in criticism while other ‘certain members’ are overlooked, but I’ll also leave that at that...I honestly don’t feel in any way that prejudice being questioned is in any way absurd in view of everything that has led up to Meghan and Harry’s decision to step down from Royal life...and also in view of the ‘Meghan/Kate’ comparisons being so totally apart and extreme, while the situations were so similar...

[Glenn.]

You can be as pedantic as you like but it doesn’t make what I said wrong.

[bots]

I think if you refuse to see anything good in someone, by default you hate them yes?

When you’re imagining peoples thought processes and seeing them thought processes as fact by default that would be an irrational way of thinking yes?

Irrational hatred yes?

refusing to see any good in some is simply that, not seeing any good in them ... it doesn't equate to hate at all. I haven't seen a single instance of hate being directed toward them. All I have seen is people pointing out the couples general hypocrisy in the main, that doesn't equate to hate at all ... perhaps debate the substance of peoples opposing opinions rather than intentionally trying to shut them up by calling them haters or racists

[Glenn.]

refusing to see any good in some is simply that, not seeing any good in them ... it doesn't equate to hate at all. I haven't seen a single instance of hate being directed toward them. All I have seen is people pointing out the couples general hypocrisy in the main, that doesn't equate to hate at all ... perhaps debate the substance of peoples opposing opinions rather than intentionally trying to shut them up by calling them haters or racists

Pop yourself onto the comments section of that article and tell me you see no irrational hatred.

[Ammi]

...to be fair, though...the substance was debated in this all being fake news as it were and just an average Monday for the couple...

[bots]

Pop yourself onto the comments section of that article and tell me you see no irrational hatred.

well, feel free to discuss them on that platform, or make a thread on it here so people can discuss it. You are grouping people who have an opinion here with comments you have read on another platform, and with respect, that's not relevant to this thread. Having said that, the whole thread is a joke as Arista changed the title and context of the thread making it a confusing mess anyway, so we would all be better moving on in this instance :laugh:

[Ammi]

...’we would all be better moving on’ though, bots can also be interpreted as a shutting down...I choose to move on atm because it was nice to have an early morning sharing of thoughts with Swan...there aren’t that many people awake when I log on or they ignore me or whatever...but that’s that of that for the moment for me and because when ‘ration is found then ration can be discussed quite easily’...but for anyone else...?..that’s their choice to make...

...I might decide to get up on that dance floor again at some point, who knows...but just not for the moment because there is no ‘freshness of thoughts’ added or to add atm...

[Glenn.]

well, feel free to discuss them on that platform, or make a thread on it here so people can discuss it. You are grouping people who have an opinion here with comments you have read on another platform, and with respect, that's not relevant to this thread. Having said that, the whole thread is a joke as Arista changed the title and context of the thread making it a confusing mess anyway, so we would all be better moving on in this instance :laugh:

It’s hard not to group people together when they share the same opinions. Most of the comments on the article have been posted on TiBB in some shape or form.

It’s where most of the haters get their stories about them in the first place.

[rusticgal]

When you’re saying the complete opposite of nice things about people it’s exactly the word to use. People that have such an issue with the pair of them on here are completely irrational with their opinions of them.



No its not...hate is a strong word. Its like saying all those who like her LOVE her. Its the extreme.
You can Like and Dislike...or you can Love or Hate.

[rusticgal]

Harry and Meghan are a "present issue".

:laugh2:

Good thing you don't have real problems.

Well since the claims we are discussing came out yesterday I would say it was a very present issue....:facepalm:

[rusticgal]

...to be fair, though...the substance was debated in this all being fake news as it were and just an average Monday for the couple...

Yes Ammi...an average Monday with a Court case looming today :laugh:

[Tom4784]

Why are you twisting what she said? She has a point, you bring race into everything. I can you assure most of the dislike has NOTHING to do with her race.

If, for example, a white person said they didn't like Kayne West, would you automatically assume it was because of his race, or because he's an idiot? No of course you wouldn't assume racism, because the man is an unlikable attention seeking fool. Well some people think Megan is an unlikable attention fool, it's sometimes that simple Dezzy. It's not all about race!

You cannot, you can assume and that is all. To think that her race doesn't play a part in why she gets hate is quite naive.

I only bring up race in issues of racism, why are you being so defensive? Why are you reacting so angrily to issues of race being brought up? It makes no sense to get this wound up about an issue being mentioned. You should consider why that is the case.

I like how you threw a fit about me apparently twisting Rustic's words and then, not a few sentences later, you're twisting my words to make out that I'm saying you can't dislike a black person without being racist. Some self awareness never hurt anyone, Swan.

[jet]

IMO I find the general attitude by some of Meghan being mixed race makes her automatically prone to dislike and criticism so patronising and disgusting. It’s as if her skin colour is all she is, and her characteristics, personality, essence, behaviour, actions, whether perceived as unlikeable or otherwise are not applicable or an afterthought.
Some obviously racist remarks were reported and whole swathes of the press and people are lumped together as guilty.
So much for the aim of just seeing people as people, whatever your opinion of them, regardless of skin colour. Those who continually dwell on perceived ‘differences’ are part of the problem.

[Tom4784]

Well that's another issue too. Just because you don't like someone, doesn't mean you hate the person. The word 'hate' is thrown around way too much in these Megan and Harry threads.

When you hate someone for everything they do and without ceasing, that is hatred and it's irrational hatred. Meghan could save a hundred orphans from a burning building and if she was caught on camera doing it, the people that base their lives around hating her would say she only did it because the cameras were on her and that she did it for attention.

It's just irrational no matter how you cut it. If someone dislike someone regardless of what they do and do 'research' (reading gossip rags) to fuel that hatred then that is irrational hatred. They're looking for reasons to hate on that person and will twist any situation to make them look bad. To say it isn't is just ignoring the reality of the situation.

This forum isn't full of Meghan fans, most of us are simply perturbed by the level of hate this woman gets and feel the need to counteract that. We could all go on with our lives and not care otherwise can the people in this world who hate her say the same?

[Tom4784]

IMO I find the general attitude by some of Meghan being mixed race makes her automatically prone to dislike and criticism so patronising and disgusting. It’s as if her skin colour is all she is, and her characteristics, personality, essence, behaviour, actions, whether perceived as unlikeable or otherwise are not applicable or an afterthought.
Some obviously racist remarks were reported and whole swathes of the press and people are lumped together as guilty.
So much for the aim of just seeing people as people, whatever your opinion of them, regardless of skin colour. Those who continually dwell on perceived ‘differences’ are part of the problem.

It will always make me laugh when people who are desperate to brush racism under the carpet where it can fester unseen from their view call people who live in reality racist for pointing out that racism is in fact a real and everpresent issue.

It stinks of a pre-emptive and telling 'I know you are, but what am I?' mentality.

Like with Swan, ask yourself why you get so wound up about issues of race being discussed.

[jet]

When you hate someone for everything they do and without ceasing, that is hatred and it's irrational hatred. Meghan could save a hundred orphans from a burning building and if she was caught on camera doing it, the people that base their lives around hating her would say she only did it because the cameras were on her and that she did it for attention.

It's just irrational no matter how you cut it. If someone dislike someone regardless of what they do and do 'research' (reading gossip rags) to fuel that hatred then that is irrational hatred. They're looking for reasons to hate on that person and will twist any situation to make them look bad. To say it isn't is just ignoring the reality of the situation.

This forum isn't full of Meghan fans, most of us are simply perturbed by the level of hate this woman gets and feel the need to counteract that. We could all go on with our lives and not care otherwise can the people in this world who hate her say the same?

More dram....:facepalm:

Come on admit it, you are a big Meg fan. :hehe:

[Tom4784]

If it wasn't for the irrational hatred, I wouldn't speak or think of her. I just think it's gross that everything she does is a reason to hate her regardless of if it makes sense or not.

I pity anyone who is a figure of hate to the obsessed for simply existing. It's just grim. Falsely painting me as a fan won't make your hatred towards her any less strange.

[jet]

It will always make me laugh when people who are desperate to brush racism under the carpet where it can fester unseen from their view call people who live in reality racist for pointing out that racism is in fact a real and everpresent issue.

It stinks of a pre-emptive and telling 'I know you are, but what am I?' mentality.

Like with Swan, ask yourself why you get so wound up about issues of race being discussed.

Thinking you know what is in other peoples minds again? Wrong.
It's the first time I've even mentioned race on this forum, in this thread or any other thread. It's not something I ever think about or even notice, I go by character, not colour.

[Cherie]

IMO I find the general attitude by some of Meghan being mixed race makes her automatically prone to dislike and criticism so patronising and disgusting. It’s as if her skin colour is all she is, and her characteristics, personality, essence, behaviour, actions, whether perceived as unlikeable or otherwise are not applicable or an afterthought.
Some obviously racist remarks were reported and whole swathes of the press and people are lumped together as guilty.
So much for the aim of just seeing people as people, whatever your opinion of them, regardless of skin colour. Those who continually dwell on perceived ‘differences’ are part of the problem.

Many who are ‘fans’ would have no interest if she were white

[Glenn.]

Thinking you know what is in other peoples minds again? Wrong.
It's the first time I've even mentioned race on this forum, in this thread or any other thread. It's not something I ever think about or even notice, I go by character, not colour.

This is what you do where Meghan and Harry are concerned.

[jet]

If it wasn't for the irrational hatred, I wouldn't speak or think of her. I just think it's gross that everything she does is a reason to hate her regardless of if it makes sense or not.

I pity anyone who is a figure of hate to the obsessed for simply existing. It's just grim. Falsely painting me as a fan won't make your hatred towards her any less strange.

...and you painting me as hating Meghan doesn't make it true either. Dislike, yes.
As for obsessed, I pity anyone who is so obsessed with racism, it must be exhausting.

[LukeB]

...and you painting me as hating Meghan doesn't make it true either. Dislike, yes.
As for obsessed, I pity anyone who is so obsessed with racism, it must be exhausting.

Just admit it stop lying to yourself :shrug: you only come on tibb to bash Meghan for whatever stupid reason even over a netflix deal which is not something to criticise about! She isn’t a criminal, she isn’t a bad person and she hasn’t done anything wrong... she gets more hate than a Prince Andrew which says quite a lot

[jet]

This is what you do where Meghan and Harry are concerned.

Nope, just educated conclusions arrived at from their actions and reading more reliable material than the comments sections you torture yourself with.

Where do you get your devotion from?

[Tom4784]

Just admit it stop lying to yourself :shrug: you only come on tibb to bash Meghan for whatever stupid reason even over a netflix deal which is not something to criticise about! She isn’t a criminal, she isn’t a bad person and she hasn’t done anything wrong... she gets more hate than a Prince Andrew which says quite a lot

I remember a screenshot from Twitter a few days back of someone saying it was strange that Meghan gets more hate than Andrew and then this gammon chimed in with something like 'Well she's more annoying!'

Preying on children is seen as less problematic then an ex-royal just living her life outside of the royal bubble.

[Tom4784]

...and you painting me as hating Meghan doesn't make it true either. Dislike, yes.
As for obsessed, I pity anyone who is so obsessed with racism, it must be exhausting.

Another 'I know you are but what am I?' response.

[Glenn.]

Nope, just educated conclusions arrived at from their actions and reading more reliable material than the comments sections you torture yourself with.

Where do you get your devotion from?

You’ve literally imagined scenarios where you’ve given your own deluded insights into her thinking. It’s irrational.

I don’t have devotion for her I just don’t believe she deserves the level of hatred that is thrown at her for no justified reason, which is something you’ve yet to give.

[jet]

Just admit it stop lying to yourself :shrug: you only come on tibb to bash Meghan for whatever stupid reason even over a netflix deal which is not something to criticise about! She isn’t a criminal, she isn’t a bad person and she hasn’t done anything wrong... she gets more hate than a Prince Andrew which says quite a lot

If I hated Meghan I would have no problem whatsoever saying so. I said I hated Jeremy Corbyn often enough.
I do dislike Meghan for many reasons. If my dislike of her ever progresses into hatred, which I doubt, I'll be sure to let you know. :hee:

[jet]

Many who are ‘fans’ would have no interest if she were white

:eureka: Very astute point, Cherie, I believe you are right.
How crazy is that though?:eek:

[Tom4784]

She wouldn't get the same level of hatred if she was white, most likely.

Trying to paint people who are repulsed by the utterly insane level of hatred aimed at this woman as her fans is silly. We are simply decent human beings that finds the hatred gross.

[jet]

She wouldn't get the same level of hatred if she was white, most likely.

Trying to paint people who are repulsed by the utterly insane level of hatred aimed at this woman as her fans is silly. We are simply decent human beings that finds the hatred gross.

No sillier than painting those who dislike her as racists and haters. If you translate that dislike and criticsm into an 'insane level of hatred' then it could be equally said over and over (but isn't) that those who spend lots, if not more, time defending her are obsessively in love with her and huge fans. :shrug:

Maybe you read the same comments sections of papers that Glenn talks about and you are carrying your impressions over to this site, for there is no insane hatred here.

[jet]

She wouldn't get the same level of hatred if she was white, most likely.


:facepalm:

[Glenn.]

No sillier than painting those who dislike her as racists and haters. If you translate that dislike and criticsm into an 'insane level of hatred' then it could be equally said over and over (but isn't) that those who spend lots, if not more, time defending her are obsessively in love with her and huge fans. :shrug:

Maybe you read the same comments sections of papers that Glenn talks about and you are carrying your impressions over to this site, for there is no insane hatred here.

Ok jet if you say so.

[Tom4784]

No sillier than painting those who dislike her as racists and haters. If you translate that dislike and criticsm into an 'insane level of hatred' then it could be equally said over and over (but isn't) that those who spend lots, if not more, time defending her are obsessively in love with her and huge fans. :shrug:

Maybe you read the same comments sections of papers that Glenn talks about and you are carrying your impressions over to this site, for there is no insane hatred here.

Do you ever get bored of saying 'I know you are, but what am I' as your go to response?

[Tom4784]

:facepalm:

Well, she wouldn't. Someone who isn't white will always get more hatred then someone who is because the white person won't have to deal with racism.

It's just kind of a basic thing really. If Meghan was white, she wouldn't get racist hate. Common sense, really.

[Crimson Dynamo]

from 4.17 (SKY NEWS)


"Just when you thought this couple could not get any more ridiculous"


hyMIt4CkYyg

[jet]

Do you ever get bored of saying 'I know you are, but what am I' as your go to response?

No, I get bored of you saying that line at every opportunity though. Along with your other boring go - to's on repeat.

[Glenn.]

They aren’t doing a reality show...

[jet]

Meghan Markle loses latest court battle in privacy lawsuit with newspaper

ByDanya Bazaraa Senior News Reporter
15:05, 29 SEP 2020

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-meghan-markle-loses-latest-22760839

[Crimson Dynamo]

:hehe:

[jet]

from 4.17 (SKY NEWS)


"Just when you thought this couple could not get any more ridiculous"


hyMIt4CkYyg

Yes, as pointed out there, Meghan was welcomed with open arms and millions watched the wedding and celebrated with them, racism didn't come into it for the huge majoirty. It was later when they started 'wagging their finger' at us and preaching and lecturing us while being hypocritical and attention seeking that the public turned against them.
But some will just bang on about racism and what they call 'hate' for no reason regardless, its their lifeline, they don't have anything else.

[Glenn.]

Yes, as pointed out there, Meghan was welcomed with open arms and millions watched the wedding and celebrated with them, racism didn't come into it for the huge majoirty. It was later when they started 'wagging their finger' at us and preaching and lecturing us while being hypocritical and attention seeking that the public turned against them.
But some will just bang on about racism and what they call 'hate' for no reason regardless, its their lifeline, they don't have anything else.

So you agree that racism is a part of it then?

[rusticgal]

from 4.17 (SKY NEWS)


"Just when you thought this couple could not get any more ridiculous"


hyMIt4CkYyg


People seem to forget how popular Meghan was when she became engaged to Harry....how so many tuned in to the wedding.
It just justifies their behaviour has changed the public perception...nothing to do with her skin colour.

[Tom4784]

No, I get bored of you saying that line at every opportunity though. Along with your other boring go - to's on repeat.

Well if you stop responding in the same manner, I'll stop pointing out that you're doing it, how about you give that a go?

[Glenn.]

People seem to forget how popular Meghan was when she became engaged to Harry....how so many tuned in to the wedding.
It just justifies their behaviour has changed the public perception...nothing to do with her skin colour.

It doesn’t justify it at all :laugh2:

[rusticgal]

It doesn’t justify it at all :laugh2:


So why has she gone from being liked to disliked by a large percent of the population?....

[Crimson Dynamo]

and this failed "lets take on the press and beat them" attempt has now aliented a lot of newspapers i feel

[Swan]

You cannot, you can assume and that is all. To think that her race doesn't play a part in why she gets hate is quite naive.

I only bring up race in issues of racism, why are you being so defensive? Why are you reacting so angrily to issues of race being brought up? It makes no sense to get this wound up about an issue being mentioned. You should consider why that is the case.

I like how you threw a fit about me apparently twisting Rustic's words and then, not a few sentences later, you're twisting my words to make out that I'm saying you can't dislike a black person without being racist. Some self awareness never hurt anyone, Swan.

Bringing up issues of racism is fine, absolutely fine, but it doesn't always need to be discussed on every single topic that happens to include someone black/mixed raced/brown/asian etc. It doesn't actually help the fight against racism in general. It's counter progressive to assume people and the press are against Megan because of her race, it doesn't help the argument, it weakens it. The press may have been against Megan (for good reason imo) but that doesn't mean it has anything to do with her race. The press tear a part plenty of white people, if it sells, they'll sell it, simple as that.

Megan and Harry's behaviour has been questionable to say the least. It's all up for debate and criticism. Some seem to have a problem with this, and brand others against Hollywood's hottest couple 'haters'. Well would that make those for them 'lovers'? It works both ways. As for you saying im angry, throwing a fit, defensive? Well you do this all the time, it doesn't bother me it amuses me. It's an easy and cheap way to try and dis-credit any opinion, debate or argument on given subject. And it's kinda ironic in the sense that you're probably the most aggressive poster on this forum. **** blah blah blah ****** etc etc etc ****** white supremacists ****** racism ***** Trumps dick *****. You get the gist.

When you hate someone for everything they do and without ceasing, that is hatred and it's irrational hatred. Meghan could save a hundred orphans from a burning building and if she was caught on camera doing it, the people that base their lives around hating her would say she only did it because the cameras were on her and that she did it for attention.

It's just irrational no matter how you cut it. If someone dislike someone regardless of what they do and do 'research' (reading gossip rags) to fuel that hatred then that is irrational hatred. They're looking for reasons to hate on that person and will twist any situation to make them look bad. To say it isn't is just ignoring the reality of the situation.

This forum isn't full of Meghan fans, most of us are simply perturbed by the level of hate this woman gets and feel the need to counteract that. We could all go on with our lives and not care otherwise can the people in this world who hate her say the same?

And defending some of their behaviour would in turn make those people megan lovers, it's swings and roundabouts. You can dislike someone without hating. I really have no idea why this ever became questioned? Is it all just love and hate, no in between?? Ridiculous.

Swan didn't sound defensive, angry or wound up and certainly wasn't 'throwing a fit'. You are such a dramatic amatuer mind reader Dezzy. :laugh:

Don't worry, im used to it now. Some people just need a bit more self awareness :laugh:

[jet]

So you agree that racism is a part of it then?

As everyone knows, there were a few obviously racist comments reported, which somehow has translated, for some, to 'there is a racist element to everyone who doesn't like Meghan'. She was welcomed by the majority initially, so racism was not the big issue it is made out to be to beat people with.
Character and actions are everything, skin colour is irrelevant.

[Ammi]

...to be fair, there was criticism of some wedding choices as well and the breaking of ‘tradition’ .and Meghan’s ‘bloodline’ was referred to in derogatory ways before they married... choosing a gospel choir for their service was one of those criticisms but it wasn’t the only one...they tried to do things their way, in how their decisions reflected them, which is what we all do in life..but the criticisms kept on coming through appearances and things apparently done wrong by Meghan or she wore the wrong outfit or whatever....she couldn’t really win for losing tbh...so they have done it their way and got out of our hair and off the Royal table...and they still can’t do right for doing wrong...

[Ammi]

...if people experience racism, I would doubt that it would always be the outright and obvious...Racist comments are not a one size fits all and have to be outrightly blatant...

[Swan]

...to be fair, there was criticism of some wedding choices as well and the breaking of ‘tradition’ .and Meghan’s ‘bloodline’ was referred to in derogatory ways before they married... choosing a gospel choir for their service was one of those criticisms but it wasn’t the only one...they tried to do things their way, in how their decisions reflected them, which is what we all do in life..but the criticisms kept on coming through appearances and things apparently done wrong by Meghan or she wore the wrong outfit or whatever....she couldn’t really win for losing tbh...so they have done it their way and got out of our hair and off the Royal table...and they still can’t do right for doing wrong...

The only thing im against is how much the wedding cost, her dress etc. That being said, im the same when it comes to every royal, i would never single them out it that sense, they're all as bad as it each other. As for the press, they use key triggering words and sentences all the time like that, it's sad but true. I bet the majority of people who watched the wedding never even thought of 'tradition' until they read some of the rubbish the press spout. It's all to stir up some faux outrage and get people debating, it helps sell their rags.

[Swan]

...if people experience racism, I would doubt that it would always be the outright and obvious...Racist comments are not a one size fits all and have to be outrightly blatant...

But it's how you interpret some of the comments made. You said "wrong side of the tracks" "tradition" "bloodline" none of them suggest racism to me? "bloodline" could but i think it's more to do with her being American, non upper class etc.

I wasn't around for it, but didn't Fergie get absolutely destroyed by the press for being 'a bit rough around edges'?

[Glenn.]

So why has she gone from being liked to disliked by a large percent of the population?....

She hasn’t. Just the ones that read sensationalised tabloid stories.

[jet]

Bringing up issues of racism is fine, absolutely fine, but it doesn't always need to be discussed on every single topic that happens to include someone black/mixed raced/brown/asian etc. It doesn't actually help the fight against racism in general. It's counter progressive to assume people and the press are against Megan because of her race, it doesn't help the argument, it weakens it. The press may have been against Megan (for good reason imo) but that doesn't mean it has anything to do with her race. The press tear a part plenty of white people, if it sells, they'll sell it, simple as that.

Megan and Harry's behaviour has been questionable to say the least. It's all up for debate and criticism. Some seem to have a problem with this, and brand others against Hollywood's hottest couple 'haters'. Well would that make those for them 'lovers'? It works both ways. As for you saying im angry, throwing a fit, defensive? Well you do this all the time, it doesn't bother me it amuses me. It's an easy and cheap way to try and dis-credit any opinion, debate or argument on given subject. And it's kinda ironic in the sense that you're probably the most aggressive poster on this forum. **** blah blah blah ****** etc etc etc ****** white supremacists ****** racism ***** Trumps dick *****. You get the gist.



And defending some of their behaviour would in turn make those people megan lovers, it's swings and roundabouts. You can dislike someone without hating. I really have no idea why this ever became questioned? Is it all just love and hate, no in between?? Ridiculous.



Don't worry, im used to it now. Some people just need a bit more self awareness :laugh:

Smashing post Swan. :clap1:

[Tom4784]

Bringing up issues of racism is fine, absolutely fine, but it doesn't always need to be discussed on every single topic that happens to include someone black/mixed raced/brown/asian etc. It doesn't actually help the fight against racism in general. It's counter progressive to assume people and the press are against Megan because of her race, it doesn't help the argument, it weakens it. The press may have been against Megan (for good reason imo) but that doesn't mean it has anything to do with her race. The press tear a part plenty of white people, if it sells, they'll sell it, simple as that.

Megan and Harry's behaviour has been questionable to say the least. It's all up for debate and criticism. Some seem to have a problem with this, and brand others against Hollywood's hottest couple 'haters'. Well would that make those for them 'lovers'? It works both ways. As for you saying im angry, throwing a fit, defensive? Well you do this all the time, it doesn't bother me it amuses me. It's an easy and cheap way to try and dis-credit any opinion, debate or argument on given subject. And it's kinda ironic in the sense that you're probably the most aggressive poster on this forum. **** blah blah blah ****** etc etc etc ****** white supremacists ****** racism ***** Trumps dick *****. You get the gist.



And defending some of their behaviour would in turn make those people megan lovers, it's swings and roundabouts. You can dislike someone without hating. I really have no idea why this ever became questioned? Is it all just love and hate, no in between?? Ridiculous.



Don't worry, im used to it now. Some people just need a bit more self awareness :laugh:

So, you're telling me that none of the hatred Meghan gets is at all racially motivated? Really? You're gonna try and push that angle? The fact that you, a white person, also then tried to make out racism doesn't have to be discussed around in every subject featuring a non-white person is laughable. Racism doesn't affect you, but it certainly affects non-white people and a lot of this post comes across as you simply being tired of the discussion of racism which you should be glad you have that luxury. Non-white people can't be 'bored' of the discussion of it because they live it.

Discussion is good, not liking them is good but the level of hate they get is irrational and I truly don't think you'd be making the same argument if the situation was reversed and I was the one obsessively hating on Meghan. I think your tune would change then. The level of hatred they get is just not healthy, people hate them in the royal family, they hate them when they leave, they hate them for 'scrounging' they hate them for daring to get a job... It's insane.

I don't discredit opposing views, I argue against them. I don't need to make someone to discredit them, I just prefer to straight up argue why they are wrong. You're confusing me with others by saying that I rely on discrediting people when I make more efforts to write good arguments against opposing viewpoints. Also your last line on this subject is confusing, you find me to aggressive when speaking about white supremacists? Do you want me to treat someone who thinks of black people as subhuman with respect? Grim.

As for the weird 'Megan lovers' line. You're pushing false equivalency there. Defending someone against irrational hatred (IE, finding a reason to hate on a woman regardless of what she does) is not the same as being some sort of obssessed fan. Thinking someone is not worthy of hate is not the same as dishing out hatred on the regular.

As for your post to Jet, I'm gonna give you a tip, if you want to pull off a little gotcha moment by using someone's words against them, context is very important. If the context isn't there then your little attempt at a gotcha falls to pieces. Remember that next time, and you're welcome :thumbs:

[Ammi]

But it's how you interpret some of the comments made. You said "wrong side of the tracks" "tradition" "bloodline" none of them suggest racism to me? "bloodline" could but i think it's more to do with her being American, non upper class etc.

I wasn't around for it, but didn't Fergie get absolutely destroyed by the press for being 'a bit rough around edges'?

...the wrong side of the tracks wasn’t a stand alone, comment...her ‘exotic blood’ was also referred to so it’s the whole context, Swan...and why I said it as ‘bloodline’...I’m sure that Fergie and other Royal brides have had criticism and some will have had criticism quite plentiful...but I can’t recall any to have had undercurrents of racism or more blatant racism attached as well...which obviously when Archie was born, extended out to him also, more or less from birth...I really understand why they felt ...enough... when it was extending to their child...

[bots]

...the wrong side of the tracks wasn’t a stand alone, comment...her ‘exotic blood’ was also referred to so it’s the whole context, Swan...and why I said it as ‘bloodline’...I’m sure that Fergie and other Royal brides have had criticism and some will have had criticism quite plentiful...but I can’t recall any to have had undercurrents of racism or more blatant racism attached as well...which obviously when Archie was born, extended out to him also, more or less from birth...I really understand why they felt ...enough... when it was extending to their child...

racism is a much bigger issue in the USA than it is here ... and where did they go?

[Swan]

So, you're telling me that none of the hatred Meghan gets is at all racially motivated? Really? You're gonna try and push that angle? The fact that you, a white person, also then tried to make out racism doesn't have to be discussed around in every subject featuring a non-white person is laughable. Racism doesn't affect you, but it certainly affects non-white people and a lot of this post comes across as you simply being tired of the discussion of racism which you should be glad you have that luxury. Non-white people can't be 'bored' of the discussion of it because they live it.

Discussion is good, not liking them is good but the level of hate they get is irrational and I truly don't think you'd be making the same argument if the situation was reversed and I was the one obsessively hating on Meghan. I think your tune would change then. The level of hatred they get is just not healthy, people hate them in the royal family, they hate them when they leave, they hate them for 'scrounging' they hate them for daring to get a job... It's insane.

I don't discredit opposing views, I argue against them. I don't need to make someone to discredit them, I just prefer to straight up argue why they are wrong. You're confusing me with others by saying that I rely on discrediting people when I make more efforts to write good arguments against opposing viewpoints. Also your last line on this subject is confusing, you find me to aggressive when speaking about white supremacists? Do you want me to treat someone who thinks of black people as subhuman with respect? Grim.

As for the weird 'Megan lovers' line. You're pushing false equivalency there. Defending someone against irrational hatred (IE, finding a reason to hate on a woman regardless of what she does) is not the same as being some sort of obssessed fan. Thinking someone is not worthy of hate is not the same as dishing out hatred on the regular.

As for your post to Jet, I'm gonna give you a tip, if you want to pull off a little gotcha moment by using someone's words against them, context is very important. If the context isn't there then your little attempt at a gotcha falls to pieces. Remember that next time, and you're welcome :thumbs:

First of all, if you read my posts back, you'll see i said a small minority will be against her because of her race. Racist people come in all forms, bigots will be against any one different from them. By default some will be against her because of her skin colour. Just like some people are against gay people, trans people, even christians, muslims and so on. People based on race will always be discriminated against, even white people are (not on the same scale, granted). The fact that you, a white person, seem to know more about how racism works than me, a white person doesn't make any sense. What qualifies you more than me, considering we're both white males?

No Dezzy, a white supremacist is in the same boat as a black supremacist, a religious person who believes woman are a lesser species, and person who believes gay people should be killed. All scum. Being angry about that is fine/understandable. I think it's more your 'every trump supporter is racist and white supremacist' argument which i don't think is true, but that's a different subject all together.

No, in YOUR opinion they're wrong, just because you don't agree, doesn't make others opinions 'wrong' Dezzy. That's a terrible trait to have.

I know the Megan 'lovers' term is ridiculous, as is Megan haters. No point going over that, again.

And also, thanks for the advice i'll bare that in mind :hee:

[Swan]

...the wrong side of the tracks wasn’t a stand alone, comment...her ‘exotic blood’ was also referred to so it’s the whole context, Swan...and why I said it as ‘bloodline’...I’m sure that Fergie and other Royal brides have had criticism and some will have had criticism quite plentiful...but I can’t recall any to have had undercurrents of racism or more blatant racism attached as well...which obviously when Archie was born, extended out to him also, more or less from birth...I really understand why they felt ...enough... when it was extending to their child...

But again, if you're looking for racism you'll find it, even when it's not necessarily there. "exotic blood" could certainly suggest a racial undercurrent, in turn it could also suggest her 'american ism' Our press are dramatic to say the least, anyone outside the British Isles could easily be considered "exotic" by our sensationalist press. It's this strange Island mentality we have.

Im not saying it didn't have any racist undercurrents, but it's fair to look at this from every angle.

Their child would have been hounded by our press, problem is he'll also be hounded by the LA press too. Very, very strange place to set up home when you're 'wanting out' of the limelight, but that's been covered to death.

[Beso]

Well, she wouldn't. Someone who isn't white will always get more hatred then someone who is because the white person won't have to deal with racism.

It's just kind of a basic thing really. If Meghan was white, she wouldn't get racist hate. Common sense, really.



But you should stop focusing on that and realise that people are bored and disappointed with them because they see them as a pair knobs.

They were given a chance by most, and now most feel like they have been slapped in the face by them both.

People see them as the couple they are, and judge them in that. It seems only you and a few others are obsessed with her, and her alone.

[Glenn.]

But you should stop focusing on that and realise that people are bored and disappointed with them because they see them as a pair knobs.

They were given a chance by most, and now most feel like they have been slapped in the face by them both.

People see them as the couple they are, and judge them in that. It seems only you and a few others are obsessed with her, and her alone.

‘Given a chance’

It’s not for us to give them a chance.

And if people are so bored of them then just stop talking about them?

The only threads ever made about them on here are negative ones where people think it’s completely acceptable to hound every single thing they do. They can’t be that boring.

[jet]

racism is a much bigger issue in the USA than it is here ... and where did they go?

It’s certainly debatable whether she had any intentions of staying in the UK to begin with.
The racism was bigged up as part of her excuse to get her own way.
Never mind old Trump, guns galore and far worse racism. Off we go Harry!

[Beso]

‘Given a chance’

It’s not for us to give them a chance.

And if people are so bored of them then just stop talking about them?

The only threads ever made about them on here are negative ones where people think it’s completely acceptable to hound every single thing they do. They can’t be that boring.

The only thread made about them are news stories actually.

Then the opinions come along.

Maybe it's you that see them as negative stories...you should say in future..rather than blindly defending them for something you see as a negative action.

[Glenn.]

The only thread made about them are news stories actually.

Then the opinions come along.

Maybe it's you that see them as negative stories...you should say in future..rather than blindly defending them for something you see as a negative action.

Which are negative stories... followed by hateful sheep that accept those stories to be fact

[Glenn.]

It’s certainly debatable whether she had any intentions of staying in the UK to begin with.
The racism was bigged up as part of her excuse to get her own way.
Never mind old Trump, guns galore and far worse racism. Off we go Harry!

Prime example of an irrational thought process.

[Beso]

Which are negative stories... followed by hateful sheep that accept those stories to be fact

You sound very angry, I shall leave you to rant at someone else's opinions.

[Glenn.]

You sound very angry, I shall leave you to rant at someone else's opinions.

The ole ‘I can’t dispute this so I’ll make a personal jibe and bounce’

[Beso]

The ole ‘I can’t dispute this so I’ll make a personal jibe and bounce’

I can dispute it..

You are blindly defending her because she is black, and you feel she is persecuted for that..

Even though you have admitted all the stories about her are negative ones, and therefore seeing the negative side to her, you still ignore the story and attack the people posting on tibb who are brave enough to air thier suspicions of her and them as a couple, and others will point out thier hypocrisy. But again you will attack that opinion on tibb whilst ignoring the story and the couples misgivings..

[jet]

Prime example of an irrational thought process.

Meghan stated that part of the reason she wanted out of the UK was the racism ....so she moves to a country where racism is much worse. The only thing irrational here is Meghan's thought processes. :laugh:

[Beso]

Meghan stated that part of the reason she wanted out of the UK was the racism ....so she moves to a country where racism is much worse. The only thing irrational here is Meghan's thought processes. :laugh:

And Harry's choice in women.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Meghan stated that part of the reason she wanted out of the UK was the racism ....so she moves to a country where racism is much worse. The only thing irrational here is Meghan's thought processes. :laugh:

Its to keep the victim narrative (just like with her poor father)

[Ammi]

But again, if you're looking for racism you'll find it, even when it's not necessarily there. "exotic blood" could certainly suggest a racial undercurrent, in turn it could also suggest her 'american ism' Our press are dramatic to say the least, anyone outside the British Isles could easily be considered "exotic" by our sensationalist press. It's this strange Island mentality we have.

Im not saying it didn't have any racist undercurrents, but it's fair to look at this from every angle.

Their child would have been hounded by our press, problem is he'll also be hounded by the LA press too. Very, very strange place to set up home when you're 'wanting out' of the limelight, but that's been covered to death.

...I’m not looking for racism, Swan...people don’t look for racism, it finds its own targets to level its prejudice at...I also tend to look whichever way and whichever angle, etc in forming my own personal thoughts...and never in my entire life have I had American described as ‘exotic’...other than with Meghan ...and he mother described as ... ‘a dreadlocked African-American lady from the wrong side of the tracks’ which is most definitely a racist comment to have been made...

...with Archie..?...it’s also not about ‘hounding’ it’s again about a very racist inference that was ‘joked’ about him on social media...not a really encouraging beginning to his little life...and possibly an ‘ending’ for Harry and Meghan...

[Ammi]

racism is a much bigger issue in the USA than it is here ... and where did they go?

...for Meghan it obviously wasn’t and isn’t a bigger issue in the USA, isn’t that one of the points ...it’s not really for us to say to those who have personal experiences of racism, where the biggest issue is in their lives, because the biggest issue is where and when they’re experiencing that prejudice...so it’s only for those people themselves to say, not anyone else...

[Glenn.]

I can dispute it..

You are blindly defending her because she is black, and you feel she is persecuted for that..

Even though you have admitted all the stories about her are negative ones, and therefore seeing the negative side to her, you still ignore the story and attack the people posting on tibb who are brave enough to air thier suspicions of her and them as a couple, and others will point out thier hypocrisy. But again you will attack that opinion on tibb whilst ignoring the story and the couples misgivings..

I’m not blindly defending her because she is black :umm2:

I’m simply defending her from completely unwarranted hate

[Glenn.]

Meghan stated that part of the reason she wanted out of the UK was the racism ....so she moves to a country where racism is much worse. The only thing irrational here is Meghan's thought processes. :laugh:

Whatever jet I’m literally bored to tears with you trying to justify your irrationality.

They didn’t want to leave the uk because of racism although that was part of the reason. It was the increasingly erratic abuse they were getting from the media and the sheep that blindly consume it.

[Beso]

I’m not blindly defending her because she is black :umm2:

I’m simply defending her from completely unwarranted hate

This hate word is tedious. Nobody on tibb hates her..

You are falling on deaf ears here. Try the dm website or Twitter where your efforts are needed more.

[Glenn.]

This hate word is tedious. Nobody on tibb hates her..

You are falling on deaf ears here. Try the dm website or Twitter where your efforts are needed more.

‘I can’t argue with what you’ve said I’ll tell you to go away’

[Beso]

‘I can’t argue with what you’ve said I’ll tell you to go away’

I can debate(call it argue if you must, I'm not one to judge you on that)

Do you believe people on TIBB hate her?

[Glenn.]

I can debate(call it argue if you must, I'm not one to judge you on that)

Do you believe people on TIBB hate her?

I can only go on what I see posted and certain members are obsessed with picking her apart.

[Jessica.]

I can only go on what I see posted and certain members are obsessed with picking her apart.I think you're right. I don't even post in threads like this because people are so obsessed and it is actually sad to see them so hateful and toxic towards someone who has done nothing more than marry a royal, royalty means absolutely nothing, nobody deserves titles just because their parents had titles. It's silly to hold people to such standards and even worse to try to gatekeep who they can love.

[Beso]

I can only go on what I see posted and certain members are obsessed with picking her apart.

Well she keeps putting herself out there for all to see and judge.

Like we do as a forum, and like we have always, and will always do as a forum, we judge her and others like her(Gemma, jade,kim)

I think you are beginning to overstep the mark with your personal hatred of people who do not put themselves in the limelight.:shrug:

I base that on you agreeing that these are negative stories, but you are attacking someone even though you see the story the same way they do..

And the fact you keep saying argue instead of debate, its clear to me why you are here.

[Cherie]

The word 'irrational' must be worn out, lets club together and send it on holiday :smug:

[jet]

Whatever jet I’m literally bored to tears with you trying to justify your irrationality.

They didn’t want to leave the uk because of racism although that was part of the reason. It was the increasingly erratic abuse they were getting from the media and the sheep that blindly consume it.

You are saying the same thing I did there.
I'm glad you are bored - does that mean you won't respond to my posts anymore? (Please say yes.)

[Glenn.]

Well she keeps putting herself out there for all to see and judge.

Like we do as a forum, and like we have always, and will always do as a forum, we judge her.

I think you are beginning to overstep the mark with your personal hatred of people who do not put themselves in the limelight.:shrug:

I base that on you agreeing that these are negative stories, but you are attacking someone even though you see the story the same way they do..

And the fact you keep saying argue instead of debate, its clear to me why you are here.

The negative stories would be fine if they were actually portraying fact. This article about the non existent reality series is a good example.
Over 9 thousand comments were posted on that article and the usual toxicity was posted on here before it was debunked.

[jet]

The negative stories would be fine if they were actually portraying fact. This article about the non existent reality series is a good example.
Over 9 thousand comments were posted on that article and the usual toxicity was posted on here before it was debunked.

That one was debunked. There are so many that weren't and were proved to be true, for instance in the bio written by their friend Scobie. Even he couldn't sugarcoat certain stories which he was obliged to cover if the book was to have any merit at all, though he tried his best, bless.

[Glenn.]

That one was debunked. There are so many that weren't and were proved to be true, for instance in the bio written by their friend Scobie. Even he couldn't sugarcoat certain stories which he was obliged to cover if the book was to have any merit at all, though he tried his best, bless.

And before this story was debunked it was jumped on by the usual haters instantly...

So ready to spew vile hatred towards them.

[Beso]

The negative stories would be fine if they were actually portraying fact. This article about the non existent reality series is a good example.
Over 9 thousand comments were posted on that article and the usual toxicity was posted on here before it was debunked.

I think they would have gotten more support if it was an actual reality series, as opposed to this self serving drivel that they have complete rights over.

The fact that they ran away from the royal family but are now popular with Netflix because harry is a royal, and they are cashing in on that fact!!

well that needs scrutinised, dont you think?

Why is it she should get a free ride on tibb when Gemma Collins gets slaughtered for the slightest thing.

[Glenn.]

I think they would have gotten more support if it was an actual reality series, as opposed to this self serving drivel that they have complete rights over.

The fact that they ran away from the royal family but are now popular with Netflix because harry is a royal, and they are cashing in on that fact!!

well that needs scrutinised, dont you think?

Why is it she should get a free ride on tibb when Gemma Collins gets slaughtered for the slightest thing.

They’re free to do whatever they want, they aren’t working Royals...

[Beso]

Still grabbing at the last scabby skirt tails of being one though to earn loads of cashm

[Glenn.]

Still grabbing at the last scabby skirt tails of being one though to earn loads of cashm

Yes I’m sure that’s what they’re doing :pat:

[Beso]

Yes I’m sure that’s what they’re doing :pat:

I'm glad you agree....



Again.

[jet]

And before this story was debunked it was jumped on by the usual haters instantly...

So ready to spew vile hatred towards them.

You ignored the part about the book - this is what you do....

Anyway, I didn't see any vile hatred spewed on here. You seem to torture yourself by reading tabloid comments and then come on here to unfairly vent your anger.
If they are spouting vile comments, take it up with them. Even better, couldn't you stay away from comment sections altogether? I thought only fanatics read those things.

[Swan]

...I’m not looking for racism, Swan...people don’t look for racism, it finds its own targets to level its prejudice at...I also tend to look whichever way and whichever angle, etc in forming my own personal thoughts...and never in my entire life have I had American described as ‘exotic’...other than with Meghan ...and he mother described as ... ‘a dreadlocked African-American lady from the wrong side of the tracks’ which is most definitely a racist comment to have been made...

...with Archie..?...it’s also not about ‘hounding’ it’s again about a very racist inference that was ‘joked’ about him on social media...not a really encouraging beginning to his little life...and possibly an ‘ending’ for Harry and Meghan...

I wasn't saying you Ammi, more the royal (sic) 'you'. As for the 'African American lady' comment, yeah i don't get why a persons skin colour/nationality needs to be mention in anything other than when looking for a crime suspect (white/black/brown asian male etc)

The tweet was stupid, if you believe him, then it was clumsy. But really? A tweet had something to do with them up and leaving the Country, i very much doubt it.

A lot of criticism comes from them wanting away from the limelight, then go and move to the limelight capital of the world. The fact they don't want to Royals, yet want to keep their Royal titles. Their telling people to do bit for the environment, whilst flying all over the world in private jets. Their opportunistic charity work. I could go on. I don't hate them, they're just another typical over privileged, deluded Hollywood 'it' couple now. Plenty of them, nothing new. Not liking them isn't irrational, and yeah i've never read the word 'irrational' so many times, in such a short amount of time, Cherie's right :laugh:

Im going close my argument here, as you, quite rightly stated this morning, all this debating is pointless now, it's been done to death. Some people like them some people don't.

[Glenn.]

You ignored the part about the book - this is what you do....

Anyway, I didn't see any vile hatred spewed on here. You seem to torture yourself by reading tabloid comments and then come on here to unfairly vent your anger.
If they are spouting vile comments, take it up with them. Even better, couldn't you stay away from comment sections altogether? I thought only fanatics read those things.

I haven’t read the book and I can take a guess that neither have you.
I do know that that some tabloid stories that were printed about them were debunked in the book though.

It’s not unfairly venting anything. When I see the same ignorant deluded comments being made by members on here I’ll call it out. They’re strikingly similar to the absolute nonsense in the comment section which I read to give myself a laugh at how moronically gullible people are.

[jet]

Still grabbing at the last scabby skirt tails of being one though to earn loads of cashm

Indeed. As if Netflix would be interested in that pair of knobs if Harry wasn't the son and brother of future Kings. Meghan on her own wouldn't have got past the receptionist. :hee:

[Glenn.]

Indeed. As if Netflix would be interested in that pair of knobs if Harry wasn't the son and brother of future Kings. Meghan on her own wouldn't have got past the receptionist. :hee:

Why wouldn’t she?

[jet]

I haven’t read the book and I can take a guess that neither have you.
I do know that that some tabloid stories that were printed about them were debunked in the book though.

It’s not unfairly venting anything. When I see the same ignorant deluded comments being made by members on here I’ll call it out. They’re strikingly similar to the absolute nonsense in the comment section which I read to give myself a laugh at how moronically gullible people are.

You don't sound like you get a laugh. At all. :worry:

[Glenn.]

You don't sound like you get a laugh. At all. :worry:

I notice how you skirted past the tabloid stories (that greatly contributed to the hatred spewed at her) was debunked.
And yea I had great laugh at the morons. It’s crazy how deluded some people are and I’m safe in the knowledge that I’m at least better then them :thumbs:

[Ammi]

I wasn't saying you Ammi, more the royal (sic) 'you'. As for the 'African American lady' comment, yeah i don't get why a persons skin colour/nationality needs to be mention in anything other than when looking for a crime suspect (white/black/brown asian male etc)

The tweet was stupid, if you believe him, then it was clumsy. But really? A tweet had something to do with them up and leaving the Country, i very much doubt it.

A lot of criticism comes from them wanting away from the limelight, then go and move to the limelight capital of the world. The fact they don't want to Royals, yet want to keep their Royal titles. Their telling people to do bit for the environment, whilst flying all over the world in private jets. Their opportunistic charity work. I could go on. I don't hate them, they're just another typical over privileged, deluded Hollywood 'it' couple now. Plenty of them, nothing new. Not liking them isn't irrational, and yeah i've never read the word 'irrational' so many times, in such a short amount of time, Cherie's right :laugh:

Im going close my argument here, as you, quite rightly stated this morning, all this debating is pointless now, it's been done to death. Some people like them some people don't.

....:love:... we don’t know really what ‘the final straw’ was, Swan...what completely moulded their decision as it were... because these things generally have many, many layers before such a life changing decision is made...I think the ‘lime light’ thing is a manipulation of words as well../ a slanting....because as far as I recall, it was more to feel as though they had more control of their own lives and not have to live such a public life of duty, which being a senior Royal involves and those duties in themselves opened up that criticism so much for the media to lay..what did Meghan wear, what did she say, did she give a strange look and etc etc......the private jets..?...yeah, that’s how those Royals roll...:laugh:...because they’re obviously a high security risk, so that’s the safest option ...and so many people are ‘hypocrites’ because they care to preserve the environment that we live in and yet they travel overseas and quite frequently for some with holidays and work related things etc ...(...well not so much atm, I know...)...we are all hypocrites, every single one of us with no exceptions...I agree with you completely, Swan..(...yayyyyyy...:love:...)...this is the most I think that Ive given thought with a ‘Meghan’ thread for a while because I don’t find them very productive or healthy in how they revolve and revolve in circles with nothing new being added for debate...(...if debate is applicable, that is..)...

[Beso]

And yea I had great laugh at the morons. It’s crazy how deluded some people are and I’m safe in the knowledge that I’m at least better then them :thumbs:

You say that safe on the knowledge that none of them post on tibb, so cant see that unproven statement.

[Glenn.]

You say that safe on the knowledge that none of them post on tibb, so cant see that unproven statement.

When did I say they didn’t post on TiBB?

[Beso]

When did I say they didn’t post on TiBB?

Are you calling forum members morons?

[Glenn.]

No parm of course I’m not

[Beso]

what are you saying...I've explained myself.

[Glenn.]

Hardly

[Beso]

I knew I should left when you sounded angry..gnight glen.

[Glenn.]

It’s probably best if you can’t keep to the discussion

[Tom4784]

First of all, if you read my posts back, you'll see i said a small minority will be against her because of her race. Racist people come in all forms, bigots will be against any one different from them. By default some will be against her because of her skin colour. Just like some people are against gay people, trans people, even christians, muslims and so on. People based on race will always be discriminated against, even white people are (not on the same scale, granted). The fact that you, a white person, seem to know more about how racism works than me, a white person doesn't make any sense. What qualifies you more than me, considering we're both white males?

No Dezzy, a white supremacist is in the same boat as a black supremacist, a religious person who believes woman are a lesser species, and person who believes gay people should be killed. All scum. Being angry about that is fine/understandable. I think it's more your 'every trump supporter is racist and white supremacist' argument which i don't think is true, but that's a different subject all together.

No, in YOUR opinion they're wrong, just because you don't agree, doesn't make others opinions 'wrong' Dezzy. That's a terrible trait to have.

I know the Megan 'lovers' term is ridiculous, as is Megan haters. No point going over that, again.

And also, thanks for the advice i'll bare that in mind :hee:

What qualifies me not to know more about racism but to have empathy with all who suffer bigotry is experience, I'm not straight, after all. It's not the same as racism but people who suffer bigotry should have empathy for all others who have suffered other brands of bigotry and hate. That, and the fact that I don't shy away from reality in anything I do. I'm not going to minimize racism and pretend it doesn't exist, I'm not going to think that racism is dead because I don't personally suffer from it. Just because I don't suffer from racism doesn't mean others do not and I will never pretend that it isn't a massive issue worldwide because it is. After all, I prefer reality to a comfortable lie.

....Did you really just try to 'both sides' White Supremacists? And what's this about 'Black Supremacists'.... Is that meant to refer to BLM? Do you see BLM as black supremacists and thus they are the opposite side of the same hate coin as White Supremacy? Is that what you're getting at here cus that's a whole lotta wrong in one paragraph. As for Trump, what reasons does anyone have left to support him? Everyone knows he's a fraud, he's killed 200k Americans with his response to covid, the economy was in a bad position before Covid.... Just what is there left to support Trump for besides the fact that he makes racists feel vindicated in their hatred? There's nothing, the only people left in his base are the racists and the extremists, if that upsets, argue against it.

That whole opinion line is just plain silly, this is the second post where you've tried to attribute false traits to me. I've always said that if you disagree with what I say, to argue against it and I'll do the same. Do you not know how discussion or debate works? There's no point in lying to me about me, I know myself, you are proving rapidly that you do not if you think I'm someone intolerant of opposing opinions when all I do is encourage debate. If you wanna play me at my own game, get better at getting a handle on people, on reading them because all your angry assertions in your last few posts towards me have just been plain wrong.

Nah, the 'Megan lovers' thing is just a **** response to people taking issue with the wanton hatred aimed at someone who, to anyone of a rational mindset, has not really done anything to deserve it. It's literally just a 'Well I'm I'm this then you're THAT!' type of response.

[jet]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/book-on-meghan-and-harry-can-be-used-in-privacy-case-judge-rules-8szzq36cv

Meghan hit with £178,000 legal bill after losing battle over book.

The Duchess of Sussex has lost another round in her legal battle with The Mail on Sunday after the newspaper won the right to use a recent book about her in its defence.

The duchess is suing the newspaper in the High Court over its publication of a “private and confidential” letter she sent to her estranged father.

A judge ruled yesterday that Associated Newspapers Ltd (ANL), publishers of The Mail on Sunday, could use Finding Freedom, a book about the duke and duchess published last month, as part of its argument that Meghan did not have a “reasonable expectation of privacy” with regard to her letter.

The judge ordered that Meghan pay ANL’s costs of £39,000 as well as her own costs of £139,000....

Ouch!

[rusticgal]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/book-on-meghan-and-harry-can-be-used-in-privacy-case-judge-rules-8szzq36cv

Meghan hit with £178,000 legal bill after losing battle over book.

The Duchess of Sussex has lost another round in her legal battle with The Mail on Sunday after the newspaper won the right to use a recent book about her in its defence.

The duchess is suing the newspaper in the High Court over its publication of a “private and confidential” letter she sent to her estranged father.

A judge ruled yesterday that Associated Newspapers Ltd (ANL), publishers of The Mail on Sunday, could use Finding Freedom, a book about the duke and duchess published last month, as part of its argument that Meghan did not have a “reasonable expectation of privacy” with regard to her letter.

The judge ordered that Meghan pay ANL’s costs of £39,000 as well as her own costs of £139,000....

Ouch!


Oh dear...she needs to get a better Lawyer.

[Glenn.]

It’s almost as if you think it’s ok for a tabloid to print a private letter

[Tom4784]

Morality goes out the window when it comes to hating Meghan, apparently.

[arista]

Morality goes out the window when it comes to hating Meghan, apparently.

No Dezzy
She does not Worry about haters:


Duchess insists she doesn't pay attention
to 'criticism OR flattery', saying she's focused
on 'spending time' with Prince Harry and 'watching our little one grow'




[Meghan, 39, addressed the virtual summit
on Tuesday afternoon, when she took part in a one-on-one conversation about 'creating humane tech'
During the conversation with senior
Fortune editor Ellen McGirt, Meghan quoted
Georgia O'Keeffe to claim that she pays no
mind to public opinion about her
'I have already settled it for myself so flattery
and criticism go down the same drain
and I am quite free,' she quoted,
according to Fortune's Twitter feed]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8786507/Meghan-Markle-says-doesnt-focus-criticism-flattery.html

[arista]

1311177451909918720


GMBHD itv
showed a clip of that Bitch.


She is Arrogant
Dezzy.

[Ammi]

...GMBHD itv
showed a clip of that Bitch....


....you really are better than that, Arista...

[thesheriff443]

Oh dear...she needs to get a better Lawyer.

Paying three and a half times the fees to lawyers does not mean they can buy the result they wanted.

The judge was not on their payroll and they will have to pay a lot more when they lose the big trial.

[arista]

...GMBHD itv
showed a clip of that Bitch....


....you really are better than that, Arista...



No I watched her Talk.
She is a Bitch.

[Ammi]

...your words reflect on you/not Meghan, Arista...I have nothing more to say, this thread isn’t at all a good place to be..

[thesheriff443]

No I watched her Talk.
She is a Bitch.

Without doubt best come back of the year.

[Ammi]

...I’m not sure what was meant to be a ‘comeback’ or a derogatory/offensive term for a female being in any way seen as a positive/best...

[bots]

No I watched her Talk.
She is a Bitch.

its a word you throw around much to easily Arista

[arista]

Ammi

Is it illegal to call that lady a bitch?

[arista]

its a word you throw around much to easily Arista


If it is needed
I have every right to use that word

[AnnieK]

its a word you throw around much to easily Arista

Agreed. Just smacks of sexism and lack of argument to me. Can think of anything else.....call a woman a bitch :shrug: That'll show em :fist:

[AnnieK]

If it is needed
I have every right to use that word

Tell us why you find her a "bitch" then Arista. What has she said that is bitchy in your opinion

[Ammi]

Ammi

Is it illegal to call that lady a bitch?

...give it thought, Arista...I’m not your mama...

If it is needed
I have every right to use that word

...you have every right to use it in the constant way that you do, Arista...I have the right to my thoughts about the words you use and how and when you use them...having the right doesn’t make something right...

[arista]

Tell us why you find her a "bitch" then Arista. What has she said that is bitchy in your opinion


Her Arrogance that she has done nothing wrong, Ever.

Which is so not true.

[arista]

...give it thought, Arista...I’m not your mama...



...you have every right to use it in the constant way that you do, Arista...I have the right to my thoughts about the words you use and how and when you use them...having the right doesn’t make something right...


Yes nothing wrong with that

[Ammi]

Her Arrogance that she has done nothing wrong, Ever.

Which is so not true.

...the irony of these words with the descriptive term you’ve just used, Arista/and too often use for a female ...oh the irony, indeed...


..enough, done...let the toxicity continue...

[arista]

...the irony of these words with the descriptive term you’ve just used, Arista/and too often use for a female ...oh the irony, indeed...


..enough, done...let the toxicity continue...


It Happens to be a Female

[bots]

It Happens to be a Female

yet you don't have a bad word to describe trump throughout all his episodes which under any measure are much much worse

[thesheriff443]

Soap box outrage on here.

So much time and energy defending millionaires living their lives while you spend yours on here defending them hour after hour day after day.

All opinions on here are worth the same, absolutely nothing.

[jet]

1311177451909918720


GMBHD itv
showed a clip of that Bitch.


She is Arrogant
Dezzy.

Yes, it's the air of smug preachy arrogance which is so offputting to so many.

[Tom4784]

Soap box outrage on here.

So much time and energy defending millionaires living their lives while you spend yours on here defending them hour after hour day after day.

All opinions on here are worth the same, absolutely nothing.

Where is your outrage for the people that spend hours looking up reasons to hate someone they don't know, that they'll never meet? I'm standing up for common decency here yet you're demonising that to stand up for friends that are endorsing hate.

[rusticgal]

Paying three and a half times the fees to lawyers does not mean they can buy the result they wanted.

The judge was not on their payroll and they will have to pay a lot more when they lose the big trial.


It was said in jest...:laugh:

[rusticgal]

Where is your outrage for the people that spend hours looking up reasons to hate someone they don't know, that they'll never meet? I'm standing up for common decency here yet you're demonising that to stand up for friends that are endorsing hate.


FFS Dezzy...no one is endorsing HATE. We all have opinions on people...you have yours and I have mine. Are you telling me as an opinionated person that you have no negative opinion on someone you 'dont know' or will 'never meet'?...
This is debate...defend her and support her but dont critisise people for their opinions and over exagerrate the tone of opinion of the majority of people who dislike her.

[Glenn.]

Yes, it's the air of smug preachy arrogance which is so offputting to so many.


Seeing things that aren’t there again

[rusticgal]

Seeing things that aren’t there again



You need to go to Specsavers :laugh:

[jet]

You need to go to Specsavers :laugh:

:joker:

[Glenn.]

You need to go to Specsavers :laugh:

Do you have to watch it with hate goggles on?

[thesheriff443]

Where is your outrage for the people that spend hours looking up reasons to hate someone they don't know, that they'll never meet? I'm standing up for common decency here yet you're demonising that to stand up for friends that are endorsing hate.

Dezzy, just have a look back at this thread alone, the level of hate that you continue to talk about is just not here on this forum the racism is not here on this forum.

You keep on throwing hate around but you and glenn are the only ones using the word hate.

No one on this forum talks about Meghan using the words hate in their opinions of her.

Meghan at most is disliked on this forum and you are not doing yourself any favours by keep using the word hate.

[jet]

Do you know what I find really weird? Hours are spent defending Meghan against those that dislike her, yet those that do this never actually post their own positive opinions/anything nice about Meghan to show she is worth their time and balance it out. I wonder why?

It’s all about attacking posters with the same lectures and childish jibes like ‘hater’ ‘irrational’ ‘obsessive’ over and over as if that is going to make people change their minds and think Meghan is lovely, even while never putting any effort whatsoever themselves into saying why they think she is.
It's their choice of course, but it’s still so strange.

[rusticgal]

Do you have to watch it with hate goggles on?


Can you get them on Amazon?

[rusticgal]

Do you know what I find really weird? Hours are spent defending Meghan against those that dislike her, yet those that do this never actually post their own positive opinions/anything nice about Meghan to show she is worth their time and balance it out. I wonder why?

It’s all about attacking posters with the same lectures and childish jibes like ‘hater’ ‘irrational’ ‘obsessive’ over and over as if that is going to make people change their minds and think Meghan is lovely, even while never putting any effort whatsoever themselves into saying why they think she is.
It's their choice of course, but it’s still so strange.


Well said Jet...I actually thought this this morning...its blatently obvious those that come on these threads to abuse for the sake of abusing but they add no context or arguement for their beloved Meghan...they just attack forum members with wild accusations...bizarre.

[Tom4784]

Dezzy, just have a look back at this thread alone, the level of hate that you continue to talk about is just not here on this forum the racism is not here on this forum.

You keep on throwing hate around but you and glenn are the only ones using the word hate.

No one on this forum talks about Meghan using the words hate in their opinions of her.

Meghan at most is disliked on this forum and you are not doing yourself any favours by keep using the word hate.

Using the word hate doesn't make someone hateful, that's childish logic and it only serves as very low level projection and an attempt to stop discussion of what hatred is, thus allowing it to fester.

[Tom4784]

Well said Jet...I actually thought this this morning...its blatently obvious those that come on these threads to abuse for the sake of abusing but they add no context or arguement for their beloved Meghan...they just attack forum members with wild accusations...bizarre.

The projection is astounding.

[Cherie]

Do you know what I find really weird? Hours are spent defending Meghan against those that dislike her, yet those that do this never actually post their own positive opinions/anything nice about Meghan to show she is worth their time and balance it out. I wonder why?

It’s all about attacking posters with the same lectures and childish jibes like ‘hater’ ‘irrational’ ‘obsessive’ over and over as if that is going to make people change their minds and think Meghan is lovely, even while never putting any effort whatsoever themselves into saying why they think she is.
It's their choice of course, but it’s still so strange.

Well said Jet...I actually thought this this morning...its blatently obvious those that come on these threads to abuse for the sake of abusing but they add no context or arguement for their beloved Meghan...they just attack forum members with wild accusations...bizarre.

100 per cent

[Marsh.]

Pointing out that a certain section of "hate" is irrational and unwarranted does not need a positive counterpoint. And if anyone did they'd be accused of defending their "beloved Meghan". It's just an empty response because people have no idea how to actually respond to the fact their abuse is irrational.

Pointing out her treatment by the media is out of order does not mean you are a fan of her either.

The fact that has to be said illustrates some of the craziness.

[Beso]

100 per cent

Make that 200.

[Glenn.]

Do you know what I find really weird? Hours are spent defending Meghan against those that dislike her, yet those that do this never actually post their own positive opinions/anything nice about Meghan to show she is worth their time and balance it out. I wonder why?

It’s all about attacking posters with the same lectures and childish jibes like ‘hater’ ‘irrational’ ‘obsessive’ over and over as if that is going to make people change their minds and think Meghan is lovely, even while never putting any effort whatsoever themselves into saying why they think she is.
It's their choice of course, but it’s still so strange.

You say this but I’ve yet to see any rational opinions on why she’s disliked so much...

I’ve stated a million times that I don’t have an opinion on her. I don’t know her. I couldn’t care less what she’s doing or any royal for that matter. I don’t believe we should even have a monarchy, it’s a cesspit of ****. We literally have a peadophile in the royal family which should be a more pressing matter than Meghan Markle and as someone who is interested in the Royal Family as you say you are. surely this should be taking more of your time than being a grown man throwing insults at a woman?

What you don’t like is that you’re being called out on your irrationality. You have no real reason to dislike the woman because you don’t know her, will never know her. They aren’t working royals, so I don’t know why you’re still obsessed with them? You claim to not care about what they do but they are living in your mind rent free.
You only come on here to post crap about them and it got boring a long time ago.

Your point is like a child being bullied and harassed in the playground and then criticising people for defending the child from the harassment.

[Tom4784]

Pointing out that a certain section of "hate" is irrational and unwarranted does not need a positive counterpoint. And if anyone did they'd be accused of defending their "beloved Meghan". It's just an empty response because people have no idea how to actually respond to the fact their abuse is irrational.

Pointing out her treatment by the media is out of order does not mean you are a fan of her either.

The fact that has to be said illustrates some of the craziness.

Pretty much, it's all just childish deflection.

Like, I despise Piers Morgan, but I'm not gonna lie in wait for any news story to bash him, I've even reluctantly agreed with him at times, notably recently on his insistence for people to follow Covid rules. I'm not reading up on gossip about his personal life, i'm not looking for reasons to hate him.

The hate that Meghan gets is ridiculous that anyone can see it. You don't need to be a fan of anyone to see how toxic something is.

[user104658]

You say this but I’ve yet to see any rational opinions on why she’s disliked so much...

That's not really how it works these days though is it, the same as no one ever being able to offer up an actual direct reasoning for Rowling is "an awful TERF who must be cancelled". Meghan is disliked because people who happen to wear that colour of top say Meghan is disliked, so that's just how it is, there doesn't need to be conversation or reasoning, it's 2020 and no one has time for it. Just follow the script man, it's all in there.

[rusticgal]

Using the word hate doesn't make someone hateful.


:laugh2:

[Tom4784]

:laugh2:

Good response, well though out...

[rusticgal]

You say this but I’ve yet to see any rational opinions on why she’s disliked so much...

I’ve stated a million times that I don’t have an opinion on her. I don’t know her. I couldn’t care less what she’s doing or any royal for that matter. I don’t believe we should even have a monarchy, it’s a cesspit of ****. We literally have a peadophile in the royal family which should be a more pressing matter than Meghan Markle and as someone who is interested in the Royal Family as you say you are. surely this should be taking more of your time than being a grown man throwing insults at a woman?

What you don’t like is that you’re being called out on your irrationality. You have no real reason to dislike the woman because you don’t know her, will never know her. They aren’t working royals, so I don’t know why you’re still obsessed with them? You claim to not care about what they do but they are living in your mind rent free.
You only come on here to post crap about them and it got boring a long time ago.

Your point is like a child being bullied and harassed in the playground and then criticising people for defending the child from the harassment.


So you constantly come on to Meghan related threads but you dont have an opinion of her :shrug:.....instead you come on here to slag off people who do :shrug:....everyone is entitled to an opinion about anyone. You seem perplexed about why people talk of Meghan but not Prince Andrew? So its OK to talk about him although we dont know him either?....
If its so boring why do you come on these threads?....the hypocrisy is alarming.

[rusticgal]

Good response, well though out...


Thank you...

[LukeB]

So you constantly come on to Meghan related threads but you dont have an opinion of her :shrug:.....instead you come on here to slag off people who do :shrug:....everyone is entitled to an opinion about anyone. You seem perplexed about why people talk of Meghan but not Prince Andrew? So its OK to talk about him although we dont know him either?....
If its so boring why do you come on these threads?....the hypocrisy is alarming.

Because one actually has done something wrong and the hate would be justified since they are a nonce and the other hasn’t really done anything wrong just gets attacked by you and others just for breathing..

[Marsh.]

So you constantly come on to Meghan related threads but you dont have an opinion of her :shrug:.....instead you come on here to slag off people who do :shrug:....everyone is entitled to an opinion about anyone. You seem perplexed about why people talk of Meghan but not Prince Andrew? So its OK to talk about him although we dont know him either?....
If its so boring why do you come on these threads?....the hypocrisy is alarming.

He's allowed an opinion on the public/media reaction to a celebrity. It couldn't be more on topic.

Again, nobody said you can't have an opinion on people. However, best to keep it based on things you actually know and not things you've either invented or think you know about how they are in private. (And then use tabloid gossip as a bible).

And I'm using the general "you" in response to the issue you raised btw.