Do psychic abilities exist?

[Redway]

I'm sure this sort of thread's been done to death on here but they've never ended well for obvious reasons. I thought I'd try it again but this time with a bit more respectfulness from either side (which isn't too much to ask), bearing in mind people from different religious and cultural backgrounds think different things about this thing.

[Beso]

They used to.

[Redway]

Like I said people from different cultural backgrounds will have different things to say for this so there's no need to dismiss people who do believe in them (and vice versa). Respectfulness isn't a great deal to ask for so this thread shouldn't end up closed (touch wood).

[Beso]

Covid killed them...nobody can predict that seemingly.

[Redway]

Perhaps anyone who says yes I have an open mind etc can explain how it works

Let's all examine and analyse their science


(No)

People from certain cultures have seen more unusual things than you have. Not everyone looks at these things from a modern Western perspective.

[Beso]

People from certain cultures have seen more unusual things than you have. Not everyone looks at these things from a modern Western perspective.

We can all see things whilst out our tits on plant juices.

[joeysteele]

I don't know is my answer at this time.
However I wouldn't dismiss the possibility or probability that some individuals may have.

I'd say no more likely to clairvoyants.
I can't say yes to all, nor say no either.

So cannot put a vote on your poll Redway.
Good question from you however and I will read the contributions mostly with interest.

[Redway]

I'm going to say no they haven't. And I'm going to say I'd like to see the scientific proof they have that isn't anecdotal hearsay.

I don't mean the story I mean how it works using all the scientific knowledge we have today .

And I’m going to say yes, they have. I say that as someone who’s a lot more exposed to non-Western cultures than you have. Trust me.

[Kizzy]

And I’m going to say yes, they have. I say that as someone who’s a lot more exposed to non-Western cultures than you have. Trust me.

Maybe you'd like to expand? I'm a believer myself but wouldon't be interested to hear why you feel it's a cultural issue.

[Redway]

Maybe you'd like to expand? I'm a believer myself but wouldon't be interested to hear why you feel it's a cultural issue.

In non-Western cultures deeply rooted in spirituality and mythology stranger things exist than future-telling (no matter what LT says). That much is for sure.

[Gusto Brunt]

I don't know if they do, but I'd like to think they do. :p

[Nicky91]

idk what to believe, so i couldn't click no in the poll

[joeysteele]

Since the question is do psychic abilities exist.

I've decided to vote yes as I do believe they can.
Although most recognised clairvoyants I don't think have it.

[Kizzy]

In non-Western cultures deeply rooted in spirituality and mythology stranger things exist than future-telling (no matter what LT says). That much is for sure.

As is ours for me, mythology has little to do with psychic ability though. LT isn't a believer and that's his prerogative, you can't dictate only one viewpoint participates in a debate.
You asked a question, if you don't want differing responses maybe you shouldn't have asked.

[user104658]

If psychic abilities existed they would be provable (and not just in a vague "my aunt's friend says..." way, in an actual in-depth study) as there would be a MASSIVE incentive to prove and market these abilities.

As they have never been proven and have actually been effectively dis-proven (the Nazis, followed by other governments, tried really hard to uncover psychic abilities all throughout the 20th century with no success) so I'm quite confident in saying that no, they don't exist.

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[Zizu]

They used to.



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[Zizu]

Errrrrr .... no


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[Zizu]

And I’m going to say yes, they have. I say that as someone who’s a lot more exposed to non-Western cultures than you have. Trust me.



Proof or evidence.... perhaps ??


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[Jessica.]

Big fat no

[Redway]

As is ours for me, mythology has little to do with psychic ability though. LT isn't a believer and that's his prerogative, you can't dictate only one viewpoint participates in a debate.
You asked a question, if you don't want differing responses maybe you shouldn't have asked.

I don’t think that’s what I said and you know it. I said non-believers should show as much respect to the other side as they would. Read my OP again if you think I’m only after one particular kind of response.

[Redway]

Proof or evidence.... perhaps ??


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Evidence that certain non-Western cultures entertain spookier ideas?

[user104658]

Evidence that certain non-Western cultures entertain spookier ideas?Evidence that their ideas hold basis in fact/are demonstrable and not based in superstition.

[Zizu]

Evidence that certain non-Western cultures entertain spookier ideas?


No need for avoidance tactics.. you said YES to the initial question..

I presumed you had some evidence


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[Redway]

Evidence that their ideas hold basis in fact/are demonstrable and not based in superstition.

But we’re talking about personal beliefs here, not hard science.

[Redway]

No need for avoidance tactics.. you said YES to the initial question..

I presumed you had some evidence


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When it comes to personal beliefs there really is no need to give tangible evidence. Especially when communicating with people who only have a mechanical contemporary Western perspective to go off.

[joeysteele]

But we’re talking about personal beliefs here, not hard science.

This definitely Redway.

I've only given my feeling, my thought on the issue.

It's interesting reading the views of others however.
These subjects I've always found interesting.

[Redway]

I’ve never understood the inherent hostile to alternative beliefs some people have. Why is it so hard for personal beliefs to be accepted without having to present it as a scientific argument?

[Niamh.]

I’ve never understood the inherent hostile to alternative beliefs some people have. Why is it so hard for personal beliefs to be accepted without having to present it as a scientific argument?I suppose when it comes to psychics, they can be harmful to people or used to manipulate people. Also if you start a thread about a topic people are going to give you their opinions as well

[Redway]

I suppose when it comes to psychics, they can be harmful to people or used to manipulate people. Also if you start a thread about a topic people are going to give you their opinions as well

Which I’m not against receiving. I just wanted to keep a modicum of respectfulness about it on both sides. That’s all.

[MTVN]

Interested to hear more about these 'non-Western' cultures that have 'for sure' seen stranger things than fortune telling

I know in rural communities in Africa and Asia that belief in witchcraft is quite strong if that's what you mean?

[AnnieK]

Which I’m not against receiving. I just wanted to keep a modicum of respectfulness about it on both sides. That’s all.

No one has been disrespectful though that I can see. There is nothing wrong with questioning things, its how people learn and expand their knowledge.

[Redway]

Interested to hear more about these 'non-Western' cultures that have 'for sure' seen stranger things than fortune telling

I know in rural communities in Africa and Asia that belief in witchcraft is quite strong if that's what you mean?

Yup. And all those collective communities are half of the world.

[MTVN]

Yup. And all those collective communities are half of the world.

And all of that did exist in Western cultures tbf until it was gradually discarded

[Zizu]

Interested to hear more about these 'non-Western' cultures that have 'for sure' seen stranger things than fortune telling



I know in rural communities in Africa and Asia that belief in witchcraft is quite strong if that's what you mean?



Mmmmmm these people who are scared of their own reflection or think they’ve had their souls stolen if someone takes their photograph?


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[Redway]

Mmmmmm these people who are scared of their own reflection or think they’ve had their souls stolen if someone takes their photograph?


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Until you’ve got first-hand experience dealing with different cultures you won’t know.

[Redway]

Many people have and it's poorly educated superstition
So accepting that what do you have going forward?

That’s nice.

[AnnieK]

Until you’ve got first-hand experience dealing with different cultures you won’t know.

You need to explain more about your first hand experience. Otherwise it just seems like you've made this thread to say you know more than anyone else and anyone who questions it doesn't know **** because you know more. You've not really added anything to it other than ask for respect passive aggressively whilst adding no substance

[Redway]

You need to explain more about your first hand experience. Otherwise it just seems like you've made this thread to say you know more than anyone else and anyone who questions it doesn't know **** because you know more. You've not really added anything to it other than ask for respect passive aggressively whilst adding no substance

The cultural perspective I’m coming from is pretty personal to me so I don’t need to spin it out if I don’t want to.

[Redway]

Are you understanding cultural scientific knowledge?

Where I’m coming from has nothing to do with you. Nor is it necessary for my peace of mind that you understand me.

[Ammi]

...I’m just reading that around a quarter of the world population believe that people have psychic abilities, which is quite a staggering amount...I do believe that we all would have...(..potentially and in a level world, type thing..)...the same power of ‘control’ over our minds...when you say, different world cultures etc, Redway...?...people like the Shaolin monks, for instance...?...they train through their lives, through their very disciplined and focused lives to ‘harness’ that power and that focus, which I’ve always found fascinating...do they have any ‘special powers’ over anyone else..?....hmmmm, it’s my own belief that they don’t as such/they’re not ‘born that way’... they just have a lifestyle/belief system/culture that ‘facilitates’ more because their minds and thought processes are given ‘confinement and isolation’ from the distraction of other outside worldly things...they devote their lives purely to their minds and thoughts, I would say...their minds aren’t distracted with the things that so many ‘ordinary’ minds are...obviously they’re not ‘ordinary minds’ they’re just very busy minds with so many different layers of thoughts...so to be able to live ‘layer free’ from those every day things that most of us have and to be be able to be more single focused, is more a ‘culture or tradition’ type thing that can only be practised by a few because of specific circumstances ....and also, when there is a culture of a more ‘simple life’ as within a smaller tribal system...?...I would say that also allows more for isolating and harnessing thoughts and therefore would be more powerful over the mind’ ...which would also be a path leading to things like a feeling of psychic ability.../...all fascinating anyway....

...oh the thing with Shaolin monks as well, just because they popped into my head for some reason...(...I would say...)...that ‘Shaolin’ would be instilled in that person, that they were indeed ‘special’ in their potential ‘mind powers’...and I think that could also apply in some cases of ‘psychic’ as well...if the mind believes it is, then it is in its belief...?...and many personal thoughts etc will be adapted and fitted around that self belief...?...not necessarily in a conscious minded way...

[Ammi]

...and then there’s the Barnum/showman effect as well, so all very interesting in ‘psychic’...

[Kizzy]

The cultural perspective I’m coming from is pretty personal to me so I don’t need to spin it out if I don’t want to.

So you started a thread and asked people to be respectful of other views...then refuse to share those views.

I predict this thread isn't going to progress very far then.

[Georgek]

I'm sure this sort of thread's been done to death on here but they've never ended well for obvious reasons. I thought I'd try it again but this time with a bit more respectfulness from either side (which isn't too much to ask), bearing in mind people from different religious and cultural backgrounds think different things about this thing.

I am a psychic and if I can be profound to say, EVPs and psychic abilities are just as normal to me as walking.

[Zizu]

I am a psychic and if I can be profound to say, EVPs and psychic abilities are just as normal to me as walking.



Mmmmmm you’re gonna have to expand on this revelation !!


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[armand.kay]

this prophet exists so yh...
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[Redway]

So you started a thread and asked people to be respectful of other views...then refuse to share those views.

I predict this thread isn't going to progress very far then.

I shared those views. I just didn't elaborate on them and that's fine.

[Redway]

I am a psychic and if I can be profound to say, EVPs and psychic abilities are just as normal to me as walking.

What kind of psychic are we talking?

[LaLaLand]

I'm a huge sceptic.

However, my sister did once go for a "reading" from a psychic (not local, never met before, went completely anonymously without notice/booking) and what the guy was saying was scarily good.

Like he knew the family names AND more importantly nicknames/pet names of certain relatives, a recent incident that had happened with my sister's car, he knew that I was quite ill at the time with depression and agoraphobia and picked up on that. Very accurate stuff that nobody would know - streets people lived on, items/ornaments we have etc. My Gran was "there" apparently and told me to get my ass out of bed and sort my life out basically. :joker:

Spooky.

[Redway]

To MBTI-code a ting, still, INFJs are also often scarily good at predicting what’s going to happen in t’future, or at-least getting a vague feel for it, via the power of introverted intuition. So good to as at times be borderline clairvoyant-psychic. I should know.

Sometimes it’s just little things like getting a hunch for banana bread in the first 2020 lockdown before it became a trend on Instagram (I experienced that). Sometimes it’s a forewarning of experiences (including highly toxic/narcissistic ones) that are going to happen to you or a certain kind of ill-health that may (or may not) affect a loved one in the years to come.

Either way, when you’re like that, chances are you’re an extremely intelligent person with an inner world even people who know you quite well might not get more than 70% of the gist of half the time, even if they’re on the same level of spiritual discernment as you. You’ve just got to hold onto your intuition and watch how events play out in the future, whether people believe you along the way or not. And that’s a truth you can take anywhere you like, whether you’re in Chester, Wrexham, Buckingham Palace, Budapest, Tokyo, Ena Sharples’ backyard, Greenville or in communion with a bunch of flowers (green carnations, most-probably).

As for what I was saying throughout this thread four years ago, meh. Let’s just say I’m not as driven by the “my opinion is my opinion; I ain’t really tryna spin it out further” mantra as I was at that particular time. Hope you people are well. Including (dare-I say it) the kizzy I obviously don’t get on with. Never have done and probably never will do but then I remember that we’re both just decent people trying to get on with life. We don’t really have to see eye-to-eye to be worthy of some basic compassion. We ain’t beefing like that, still.

[Oliver_W]

I'm on the "yes side of agnostic" with this sort of thing.

[Jessica.]

Nobody is able to do magic.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Go and see a "psychic" at a local theatre, sit down and just have a look around you

that will be enough to tell you all you need to know, and you don't have to be psychic to do this

:joker:

[Zizu]

What a load of bollox !

Do a google/ wiki search on the One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge .


It ran since 1966 and a million dollars was the prize to anyone who could demonstrate a supernatural or paranormal ability under agreed-upon scientific testing criteria.

So anyone who could prove any form of GIFT … mind reading , spoon bending , levitation - the prize was obviously open to psychics and mediums as well etc etc


Not one person even got close to claiming the prize . Just imagine how much €1 million would be in today’s money !

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That high profile scam merchant Uri Geller attempted to scam his way to the million dollars but he was unsurprisingly caught cheating each and every time .

On one occasion he turned up with his own selection of spoons to show off his legendary ‘spoon bending’ skills but he refused to go ahead when he realised that they had purchased a set of new spoons for him to use !!

He claimed at the time that “ he just wasn’t feeling it “ … of course the adjudicators knew that all Uri’s spoons were pre-bent repeatedly to dramatically weaken them ..


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[ThomasC]

No I don't think so at all

[Oliver_W]

What a load of bollox !

Do a google/ wiki search on the One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge .


It ran since 1966 and a million dollars was the prize to anyone who could demonstrate a supernatural or paranormal ability under agreed-upon scientific testing criteria.

So anyone who could prove any form of GIFT … mind reading , spoon bending , levitation - the prize was obviously open to psychics and mediums as well etc etc


Not one person even got close to claiming the prize . Just imagine how much €1 million would be in today’s money !

Edit

That high profile scam merchant Uri Geller attempted to scam his way to the million dollars but he was unsurprisingly caught cheating each and every time .

On one occasion he turned up with his own selection of spoons to show off his legendary ‘spoon bending’ skills but he refused to go ahead when he realised that they had purchased a set of new spoons for him to use !!

He claimed at the time that “ he just wasn’t feeling it “ … of course the adjudicators knew that all Uri’s spoons were pre-bent repeatedly to dramatically weaken them ..


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I was really into James Randi for a while :love:

[Redway]

Nobody is able to do magic.

I completely disagree. My belief is that life is more spiritual than physical. And if you're used to seeing key elements of the world through the lens of introverted intuition (like I outlined earlier), that makes more sense, irrespective of your religious, esoteric or sub-cultural background.

[Jessica.]

I completely disagree. My belief is that life is more spiritual than physical. And if you're used to seeing key elements of the world through the lens of introverted intuition (like I outlined earlier), that makes more sense, irrespective of your religious, esoteric or sub-cultural background.

I don't believe we have spirits.

[Redway]

I don't believe we have spirits.

And that's where you and I are completely, completely different people. That's not a belief I could get with in 10,000 trillion years.

[Jessica.]

And that's where you and I are completely, completely different people. That's not a belief I could get with in 10,000 trillion years.

Why not? There's zero proof of spirits. We are our brains, that's it, chemical reactions, electric pulses and organic materials, there's nothing else.

[Redway]

Why not? There's zero proof of spirits. We are our brains, that's it, chemical reactions, electric pulses and organic materials, there's nothing else.

You're welcome to have that opinion but I'm welcome to disagree with you completely and utterly. Our experiences of life are completely different.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why not? There's zero proof of spirits. We are our brains, that's it, chemical reactions, electric pulses and organic materials, there's nothing else.

precisely and of course those who "say" they believe in such things can never explain how it may work beyond "its magic innit"

:laugh:

[Redway]

precisely and of course those who "say" they believe in such things can never explain how it may work beyond "its magic innit"

:laugh:

You haven't changed a bit, have you?

[Jessica.]

You're welcome to have that opinion but I'm welcome to disagree with you completely and utterly. Our experiences of life are completely different.

It's not an opinion, it's a straight up fact but I think people should be able to believe what they want so I'd never argue about it.

[Redway]

It's not an opinion, it's a straight up fact but I think people should be able to believe what they want so I'd never argue about it.

Tell that straight-up fact to all the millions of people in this world who have faith. People who have seen things in the spiritual realm that you with your particular purview of life experiences can’t even begin to imagine.

[Zizu]

I completely disagree. My belief is that life is more spiritual than physical. And if you're used to seeing key elements of the world through the lens of introverted intuition (like I outlined earlier), that makes more sense, irrespective of your religious, esoteric or sub-cultural background.


Are you drinking ?



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[Zizu]

Tell that straight-up fact to all the millions of people in this world who have faith. People who have seen things in the spiritual realm that you with your particular purview of life experiences can’t even begin to imagine.


They have convinced themselves that they’ve seen things .. usually out of sheer desperation


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