Boris the back stabbing rat

[Kate!]

Boris has just given a massive 2 finger salute to poor Andy Burnham and all the citizens of Greater Manchester by giving them a paltry 22 million as opposed to the 60 he offered this lunchtime. Why couldn't he honour what he'd proposed?

Rat.

[joeysteele]

Johnson should wear 2 roll holders on his shoulders with toilet rolls permanently in place to catch all the s..t that comes out his mouth.

It's not my way to personally insult however this discredited, inept and dictatorial PM is an utter disgrace.

He's nothing other than one of the worst of political deceivers and liars, totally false.

[Denver]

Tbf the offer was rejected out of selfishness

[The Slim Reaper]

Tbf the offer was jetted out of selfishness

What?

[Kate!]

Tbf the offer was jetted out of selfishness

Explain please?

[The Slim Reaper]

For some context, Boris spent £50m on a bridge that was never built, whilst mayor of London.

[joeysteele]

For some context, Boris spent £50m on a bridge that was never built, whilst mayor of London.

Don't forget his water cannons which could never be used.

[Denver]

I don't know why you all expect more from Boris

[The Slim Reaper]

I don't know why you all expect more from Boris

You were a tory until few months ago.

[Denver]

You were a tory until few months ago.

I've never been a Tory, I vote on who I think will be better at the time not the oarty they are in

[joeysteele]

I don't know why you all expect more from Boris

Well I've come to expect not a thing that should be forthcoming from him as a PM of all the Country.

While that's devastating for others on the receiving end, he doesn't disappoint on that.
Just runs to form on it all the time.
With his extreme and in my view heartless ways.

Yet gets support.
Unbelievable.

[The Slim Reaper]

I've never been a Tory, I vote on who I think will be better at the time not the oarty they are in

Who did you vote for? Because you were a tory in the threads.

[AnnieK]

That's us ****ed then

[Black Dagger]

These ***** will always hold the North in contempt.

[Denver]

Who did you vote for? Because you were a tory in the threads.

I voted Tory that doesn't make me a tory

[Denver]

From what I gather is Burham wanted an extra £5m 9f what was on offer and wouldn't back down so Boris forced locksown and got petty by offering less then half

[reece(:]

The North will remember, I don’t know how he thinks any of these power grabs will show him in a favourable light following this crisis.

[Cherie]

All playing politics

There are more patients in hospital in Greater Manchester with Covid, than in entire SE and SW of the country

They should be locked down never mind Tier 3

[The Slim Reaper]

I voted Tory that doesn't make me a tory

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All the social justice you're demanding these days was being offered by the other party.

[Ammi]

...I don’t know what to say about someone who would do that to the people he’s serving...is this to make some kind of point with Andy Burnham...?...he’s prepared to ‘punish’ and put people into poverty...

[Kate!]

From what I gather is Burham wanted an extra £5m 9f what was on offer and wouldn't back down so Boris forced locksown and got petty by offering less then half

You're right. Boris did get petty and really pathetic by offering the paltry 22. Might as well have spat in Andys face the contempt he showed. I used to like Boris. My eyes are now well and truly open. He is a despicable man. Shame on him.

[Ammi]

....horrendous is not even a word that could describe him...

[Kizzy]

As said not sure why anyone expects any better, the big cities get effectively kettled with these tier 3 restrictions and the leafy burbs in Kent just tut at us for complaining.

[Denver]

The North will remember, I don’t know how he thinks any of these power grabs will show him in a favourable light following this crisis.

I mean he doesn't care, he is leaving that job soon as he has done Brexit

[joeysteele]

All playing politics

There are more patients in hospital in Greater Manchester with Covid, than in entire SE and SW of the country

They should be locked down never mind Tier 3


It's NOT playing politics trying to protect peoples incomes as much as is needed to be when they're forced not to work even if they want to.

You just quoted the 2 lower areas of the Country.
Very selective.

[reece(:]

...I don’t know what to say about someone who would do that to the people he’s serving...is this to make some kind of point with Andy Burnham...?...he’s prepared to ‘punish’ and put people into poverty...

If this is how he negotiates with the EU there’s no wonder we are heading for no deal.

I just don’t understand how punishing Manchester makes him look favourable from any side of the political spectrum.

[Ammi]

...how is he ever going to keep the public onside through the restrictions if he’s knowingly putting them into poverty..

[Denver]

Who did you vote for? Because you were a tory in the threads.

Labour offered out of control borrowing which we can't afford to do

[joeysteele]

....horrendous is not even a word that could describe him...

I'm starting to think there's not a word low enough or bad enough to describe him as Prime Minister Ammi.

Yet in they come to defend him, no matter the hardship he will inflict on those at the lowest end of the scales.

It reveals a lot that.

[Ammi]

If this is how he negotiates with the EU there’s no wonder we are heading for no deal.

I just don’t understand how punishing Manchester makes him look favourable from any side of the political spectrum.

...I’ve never liked him but I’m completely stunned that he can do this and then expect a country to get through what it needs to ...

[The Slim Reaper]

Burnham gave him a detailed costings, it wasn't jus a case of "you wanted this, but will you accept this?"

[Ammi]

Burnham gave him a detailed costings, it wasn't jus a case of "you wanted this, but will you accept this?"

...and now he’s saying that Burnham knows his door is always open for discussion after cutting to less than a bone...there is nothing more to take and strip away so what is he expecting in his open doorway...he’s so disingenuous...

[Liam-]

You sound surprised that he’s a twat?

[The Slim Reaper]

Labour offered out of control borrowing which we can't afford to do

Tory talking point. It wasn't uncontrolled, and not sure if you've noticed, but over the last decade the tories have been borrowing uncontrollably running up debts and deficits and giving us nothing but austerity with our money, in return.

[joeysteele]

Labour offered out of control borrowing which we can't afford to do

We've done that with covid now as to borrowing.

Labour would have had the same issues.
The Labour manifesto would have gone out the window to have to deal with this virus.

Although those weakest and on lowest incomes plus the elderly I believe, would have been more priority as to protection and support.

[Cherie]

It's NOT playing politics trying to protect peoples incomes as much as is needed to be when they're forced not to work even if they want to.

You just quoted the 2 lower areas of the Country.
Very selective.

Im quoting what Stephen Powys just said, what do you mean by lower area?

67 per cent plus universal credit top up is 80 per cent according to Bojo...what do you make it?

[Brother Leon]

There seems to be surprise at this. Enjoy 5 more years of being **** on unless you are one of the elite and rich of the country.

[Ammi]

You sound surprised that he’s a twat?

...no, just didn’t realise and underestimated the level of contempt and callousness...

[Smithy]

Everyone acting surprised that the tories want poor northern people dead???

That’s how it’s always been

You’re stupid if you ever thought otherwise

[Kate!]

...no, just didn’t realise and underestimated the level of contempt and callousness...

You and me both Ammi.

[joeysteele]

Im quoting what Stephen Powys just said, what do you mean by lower area?

67 per cent plus universal credit top up us 80 per cent according to Bojo...what do you make it?

Well little point in answering as you seem to know anyway.

I think you'll find for some that will be the case not all.
Never mind who cares about some low paid workers losing income.
It doesn't matter to some I guess.

[Nicky91]

There seems to be surprise at this. Enjoy 5 more years of being **** on unless you are one of the elite and rich of the country.

what a mess :skull:

[Cherie]

Burnham gave him a detailed costings, it wasn't jus a case of "you wanted this, but will you accept this?"

I heard on a news report earlier Burnham started at 90 m and was happy to negotiate down to 65 hard to know who to believe in all honesty

[bots]

People are being fed a false story ... surprise surprise

The 20 million is a separate fund for track and trace, which they were always going to get

Boris stated several times that Manchester would get the same proportionate amount for business support as other areas like liverpool which puts it in line for 60 million .... Because Burnham hasn't agreed to that figure, they can't say that is the figure Manchester are receiving

Burnham is playing games

[Cherie]

Well little point in answering as you seem to know anyway.

I think you'll find for some that will be the case not all.
Never mind who cares about some low paid workers losing income.
It doesn't matter to some I guess.

I don’t know, just quoting what was said in the briefing.

[Cherie]

People are being fed a false story ... surprise surprise

The 20 million is a separate fund for track and trace, which they were always going to get

Boris stated several times that Manchester would get the same proportionate amount as other areas like liverpool which puts it in line for 60 million .... Because Burnham hasn't agreed to that figure, they can't say that is the figure Manchester are receiving

Burnham is playing games

While the ICU beds are full...they will have to start sending patients around the country soon

[The Slim Reaper]

People are being fed a false story ... surprise surprise

The 20 million is a separate fund for track and trace, which they were always going to get

Boris stated several times that Manchester would get the same proportionate amount as other areas like liverpool which puts it in line for 60 million .... Because Burnham hasn't agreed to that figure, they can't say that is the figure Manchester are receiving

Burnham is playing games

Burnham didn't know anything about the £20m figure until it was revealed to him as he was about to start a press conference, so he wasn't playing games. if the serco test and trace is being offered nationally anyway, it seems inconceivable that it would need to be announced with a monetary figure attached, so one side is definitely playing games. Looks like Boris is about to start another climb down and needs something to pin it on.

[Ammi]

...the 60 million is still there, it’s just been clarified on the news....

[Vanessa]

...the 60 million is still there, it’s just been clarified on the news....

Yes. I think it's a fair offer. They should take it.

[bots]

...the 60 million is still there, it’s just been clarified on the news....

yes, exactly ... people need to see through the political games being played

[reece(:]

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[Ammi]

Yes. I think it's a fair offer. They should take it.

...I don’t think it’s enough though, Vanessa...it still falls short of what’s needed and essential needs can’t be cut in that way...

[UserSince2005]

Haha manchester is the dumbest. no wonder the city is such a **** hole. Glad to have escaped.

[Kate!]

Its not enough. The 65 was the bare minimum they need not want.

[Ammi]

yes, exactly ... people need to see through the political games being played

...it’s not a political game to state what the minimum is that is needed as the financial package, which is surely what has been done...to cut that short would be the ‘game’ I would say...

[Vanessa]

...I don’t think it’s enough though, Vanessa...it still falls short of what’s needed and essential needs can’t be cut in that way...

I know, it's still going to be hard. :(

[Ammi]

I know, it's still going to be hard. :(

...yeah...so har Vanessa...I think it’s already hard, lovely...What’s trying to be achieved for people is ‘possible’..., you know...

[thesheriff443]

Look no matter how much he gives, we and generations to come will be paying for these hand outs.

[arista]

Boris has just given a massive 2 finger salute to poor Andy Burnham and all the citizens of Greater Manchester by giving them a paltry 22 million as opposed to the 60 he offered this lunchtime. Why couldn't he honour what he'd proposed?

Rat.

Look Kate

Johnson offered 60million pounds



But Poxy Burnhan said NO
I demand 65million




Kate
he should have taken the £60million pounds
do YOU not agree.

[Ammi]

...essentials for people to live isn’t a ‘hand out’...it’s exactly what it says...essential to live...

[bots]

I heard that the government are now going to bypass Burnham and talk to the manchester area leaders about funding, makes sense as he is being an ass

[Scarlett.]

Never trust a Tory

[MTVN]

Look Kate

Johnson offered 60million pounds



But Poxy Burnhan said NO
I demand 65million




Kate
he should have taken the £60million pounds
do YOU not agree.

Love this analysis

[Kate!]

Look Kate

Johnson offered 60million pounds



But Poxy Burnhan said NO
I demand 65million

Kate
he should have taken the £60million pounds
do YOU not agree.

No Arista I don't agree. Even if you go big and bold.

He already conceded right down to the bare minimum. What does Boris expect? Blood?

[arista]

No Arista I don't agree. Even if you go big and bold.

He already conceded right down to the bare minimum. What does Boris expect? Blood?



He is Crazy
not to take the 60Million pounds
many locals agree with that

[Kate!]

He is Crazy
not to take the 60Million pounds
many locals agree with that

not if its not enough.

[arista]

Love this analysis



It needs to be Front page

Burnham says NO
to 60Million Pounds

[Liam-]

Boris: *offers 60*
Andy: ‘actually we need a bit more than that to fully manage what we need to do please’
Boris: *reduces it to 20*

But of course, it’s not Boris that’s playing games

[Cherie]

Arista is bristling tonight

[arista]

not if its not enough.


60million is a great amount
take it.


But no he demanded just £5million more

[Kate!]

Boris: *offers 60*
Andy: ‘actually we need a bit more than that to fully manage what we need to do please’
Boris: *reduces it to 20*

But of course, it’s not Boris that’s playing games

Now this is an analysis. Well said.

[bots]

No Arista I don't agree. Even if you go big and bold.

He already conceded right down to the bare minimum. What does Boris expect? Blood?

but Kate, we know Burnham is playing political games, liverpool accepted the same deal, so why should Burnham get more than the people of liverpool, it's the same jobs, in the same conditions. No-one likes or wants the current situation, but it's also true that people will demand what they think they can get, and Burnham chose to play political games with the lives of the people in Manchester to hold the government to ransom, and that was never going to happen

[Kate!]

60million is a great amount
take it.


But no he demanded just £5million more

No Arista he ASKED for 5 million more having already been haggled down a hell of a lot.

[Scarlett.]

60million is a great amount
take it.


But no he demanded just £5million more

To help the people of Manchester. I imagine if this was happening anywhere south of Birmingham, they wouldnt even have to ask for the money.

[Kate!]

but Kate, we know Burnham is playing political games, liverpool accepted the same deal, so why should Burnham get more than the people of liverpool, it's the same jobs, in the same conditions. No-one likes or wants the current situation, but it's also true that people will demand what they think they can get, and Burnham chose to play political games with the lives of the people in Manchester to hold the government to ransom, and that was never going to happen

Manchester is bigger than Liverpool ergo it needs more money.

[Liam-]

Have a feeling that wall is going to be red again come the next election after what the Tories have shown themselves to be again

[Kizzy]

All playing politics

There are more patients in hospital in Greater Manchester with Covid, than in entire SE and SW of the country

They should be locked down never mind Tier 3

Prime example of my earier point... Do you really think any regional lock down will keep Covid out of SE and SW?

Explain how regional lock down works for businesses... they keep trading but only in Manchester? The rest of the country cannot access goods and services from tier 3 areas?

[arista]

Boris: *offers 60*
Andy: ‘actually we need a bit more than that to fully manage what we need to do please’
Boris: *reduces it to 20*

But of course, it’s not Boris that’s playing games



£60million was a Great High number


Burnham the Fool - Said NO
it must be £65milion,

[Smithy]

£60million was a Great High number


Burnham the Fool - Said NO
it must be £65milion,


The budget for the track and trace app is 12 BILLION

To fall out over 5 million is pathetic

[Kizzy]

£60million was a Great High number


Burnham the Fool - Said NO
it must be £65milion,


It's around £23 per head of the population of Manchester. It's not a lot.

[Kate!]

£60million was a Great High number


Burnham the Fool - Said NO
it must be £65milion,


As Slim pointed out earlier Andy Burnham gave detailed costings and 65 was the bare mimimum he could go to. If he was playing games then he would have dug his heels in at 90 million and not conceded an inch.

[Dogeatdog]

I feel sorry for all the workers and the local businesses because they must be so confused and have no idea what help they can get.

[The Slim Reaper]

Yeah, this is the man playing games when Boris is the other person.

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[bots]

Prime example of my earier point... Do you really think any regional lock down will keep Covid out of SE and SW?

Explain how regional lock down works for businesses... they keep trading but only in Manchester? The rest of the country cannot access goods and services from tier 3 areas?

well it's been kept down so far pretty successfully.... My feeling is that there is more "natural" social distancing in the SW and SE and now people are more careful it's even more pronounced.

I was due to go up to Manchester in just over a week for a family event which I'm not going to now ... that's how we keep infections down and stop the transfer.

[Parmy]

He said he will continue to talk to andy burnedhole.

Manchester has recieved loads of money but it's useless and selfish citizens let andy down because he couldn't control them..boris was giving more money on top of what they have recieved already but had to keep it in line with what liverpool and elsewhere recieved for thier useless citizens being selfish as well.


Burnedhole is using boris as an excuse for his lack of control of his city.

[joeysteele]

Prime example of my earier point... Do you really think any regional lock down will keep Covid out of SE and SW?

Explain how regional lock down works for businesses... they keep trading but only in Manchester? The rest of the country cannot access goods and services from tier 3 areas?

They did say, the infection rates were rising everywhere.

Not so much at present but still rising.

Of course you're right, it can't be kept at bay in regional lockdowns.

[Kizzy]

well it's been kept down so far pretty successfully.... My feeling is that there is more "natural" social distancing in the SW and SE and now people are more careful it's even more pronounced.

I was due to go up to Manchester in just over a week for a family event which I'm not going to now ... that's how we keep infections down and stop the transfer.

It's been kept down across the country we've all been under the same measures, this is the anticipated 2nd wave even 'natural' social distancing won't be enough...( whatever that is) even in the SE/SW they have to work, shop, live in multi generational households. Do you think covid gets so far down the M1 and stops?..

I'm loving these sanctimonious sounding comments on how you feel that people in some areas are somehow better equipped to deal with this.
Are you suggesting that us northern thickies only have ourselves to blame?

[Kizzy]

He said he will continue to talk to andy burnedhole.

Manchester has recieved loads of money but it's useless and selfish citizens let andy down because he couldn't control them..boris was giving more money on top of what they have recieved already but had to keep it in line with what liverpool and elsewhere recieved for thier useless citizens being selfish as well.


Burnedhole is using boris as an excuse for his lack of control of his city.
Genuine question could you live on two thirds of your salary?..

[joeysteele]

As Slim pointed out earlier Andy Burnham gave detailed costings and 65 was the bare mimimum he could go to. If he was playing games then he would have dug his heels in at 90 million and not conceded an inch.

They weren't just Andy's costings either Kate.
They were accumulated from the regional areas with council leaders.
Even Graham Brady a Con MP in the region, agreed.

The fact is, this PM and government never intended a deal to be struck.
Hence even when Andy dropped his call for 75 million, right down to the bare amount deemed to be needed on the group worked on figures.
The government still.kept below that, knowing the deal would be unacceptable.

This PM is a total political liar.
He isn't just economical with the truth, he hasn't a clue what any truth is.
Nor any decency either.

[Parmy]

Genuine question could you live on two thirds of your salary?..

Yes, and to be honest, pretty bloody easily if i couldnt go out. Just sitting at home raking it in playing the latest xbox or something. It would be a lot easier than my years on the dole as a teenager.

[The Slim Reaper]

Yes, and to be honest, pretty bloody easily if i couldnt go out. Just sitting at home raking it in playing the latest xbox or something. It would be a lot easier than my years on the dole as a teenager.

Tbf, didn't you say you got a promotion recently that doubled your salary? If you were on min wage, do you think you could?

[Parmy]

Tbf, didn't you say you got a promotion recently that doubled your salary? If you were on min wage, do you think you could?

Yes, pretty easily if I was confined to the house and only allowed out for essentials.

[Kate!]

Yes, pretty easily if I was confined to the house and only allowed out for essentials.

I'm sure you are correct in the short term but what if it goes on for a possible 6 months or more?

[AnnieK]

Yes, pretty easily if I was confined to the house and only allowed out for essentials.

As a single person.....but could you with dependents? I know the benefits will make up some people's money but not all

[bots]

It's been kept down across the country we've all been under the same measures, this is the anticipated 2nd wave even 'natural' social distancing won't be enough...( whatever that is) even in the SE/SW they have to work, shop, live in multi generational households. Do you think covid gets so far down the M1 and stops?..

I'm loving these sanctimonious sounding comments on how you feel that people in some areas are somehow better equipped to deal with this.
Are you suggesting that us northern thickies only have ourselves to blame?

it's not sanctimonious when the figures clearly show it, and i'm not point scoring, i have family in Manchester that are in the vulnerable category, so i am very concerned for their welfare. None of us can look at our fellow man suffering without regret. But the simple truth is that people are not social distancing in these hot spot areas and they haven't been for months, and they need to start now.

[The Slim Reaper]

Yes, pretty easily if I was confined to the house and only allowed out for essentials.

I couldn't survive on min wage, let alone 2/3rds of it, and you're further south than I am, unless of course you don't have any bills to pay.

[Parmy]

I'm sure you are correct in the short term but what if it goes on for a possible 6 months or more?

Then things like rent and mortgage payments need to be considered.

The 6 months you pulled out a hat is all down to how the people of manchester respond to this 2nd chance they have been given to not be totally locked down.

[Kizzy]

it's not sanctimonious when the figures clearly show it, and i'm not point scoring, i have family in Manchester that are in the vulnerable category, so i am very concerned for their welfare. None of us can look at our fellow man suffering without regret. But the simple truth is that people are not social distancing in these hot spot areas and they haven't been for months, and they need to start now.

'I'm not being sanctimonious' ... ends post with a sanctimonious comment.

I'll come find this post when the SW/SE go into lock down.

[Parmy]

As a single person.....but could you with dependents? I know the benefits will make up some people's money but not all

I can't answer that, but Manchester has always pulled together according to andy so I doubt anyone will starve to death..

Sorry for the bluntness but it's how I see it.

[Brother Leon]

Have a feeling that wall is going to be red again come the next election after what the Tories have shown themselves to be again

Wouldn’t hold my breath really.

The media will play their usual tricks come the time and all will be forgiven and forgotten by good ol’ lovable Boris.

[bots]

I couldn't survive on min wage, let alone 2/3rds of it, and you're further south than I am, unless of course you don't have any bills to pay.

everybodies circumstances will be different, but there wont be anyone comfortable that relies on a minimum wage whereas its possible to be comfortable earning more than that. It's going to be hard for those affected, i just hope they get it back under control quickly

[Parmy]

I couldn't survive on min wage, let alone 2/3rds of it, and you're further south than I am, unless of course you don't have any bills to pay.

The Bills just wouldn't get paid, they would be the first to go. It's only me so I wouldn't give 2 ****s about them.

[AnnieK]

I can't answer that, but Manchester has always pulled together according to andy so I doubt anyone will starve to death..

Sorry for the bluntness but it's how I see it.

Well I hope you're right, I am barely managing on 80% of my wage as it stands now and I'm not anywhere close to a min wage earner. People live to their means and when those means are taken away life gets tough. I am lucky that I have savings because my bills haven't dropped, if anything I'm spending more keeping this kid of mine fed and warm whilst isolating from school...

An awful lot of families are facing a grim winter...not just here.

[Parmy]

'I'm not being sanctimonious' ... ends post with a sanctimonious comment.

I'll come find this post when the SW/SE go into lock down.

"Just you lot stay up there licking windows and us sensible lot down here will keep you all ticking along like 1980s dole wallers"

"....that's what I want to say to every idiot that's helped spread corona up in Manchester, liverpool etc..cause they are great cities with some amazing people.

Unfortunately, there are some selfish idiots as well that just cant listen..And I seriously doubt those already selfish idiots will listen now

[Kizzy]

I can't answer that, but Manchester has always pulled together according to andy so I doubt anyone will starve to death..

Sorry for the bluntness but it's how I see it.

I'm alright jack...

[Parmy]

Well I hope you're right, I am barely managing on 80% of my wage as it stands now and I'm not anywhere close to a min wage earner. People live to their means and when those means are taken away life gets tough. I am lucky that I have savings because my bills haven't dropped, if anything I'm spending more keeping this kid of mine fed and warm whilst isolating from school...

An awful lot of families are facing a grim winter...not just here.


How long have you been on 80 percent? If I may ask.

[Parmy]

I'm alright jack...

I'm not though.:nono:

[AnnieK]

How long have you been on 80 percent? If I may ask.

I have been furloughed since 1st April. My company gave us 100% for the first 2 months but then we dropped to 80.

[Kate!]

"Just you lot stay up there licking windows and us sensible lot down here will keep you all ticking along like 1980s dole wallers"

"....that's what I want to say to every idiot that's helped spread corona up in Manchester, liverpool etc..cause they are great cities with some amazing people.

Unfortunately, there are some selfish idiots as well that just cant listen..And I seriously doubt those already selfish idiots will listen now

But there are selfish idiots everywhere Parmy. Its not exclusive to Liverpool and Manchester. :shrug:

[Kizzy]

"Just you lot stay up there licking windows and us sensible lot down here will keep you all ticking along like 1980s dole wallers"

"....that's what I want to say to every idiot that's helped spread corona up in Manchester, liverpool etc..cause they are great cities with some amazing people.

Unfortunately, there are some selfish idiots as well that just cant listen..And I seriously doubt those already selfish idiots will listen now
Haha! Hark at you Mr Garnett...brought it on themselves they did, ficcy norvern baaaaarstards

[Cherie]

'I'm not being sanctimonious' ... ends post with a sanctimonious comment.

I'll come find this post when the SW/SE go into lock down.

Fgs a lot of the SE is in Tier 2, the simple fact is it started in London so effectively the North had two weeks grace before it hit, and in some places up there despite lockdown and partial lock down the numbers never fell, something is not right, there are plenty flouting the guidelines down here as well just not as many as up there and as Bots has alluded to the way of life is more antisocial..no one calls on spec to your home in London :laugh:we make arrangements :hehe:

[Cherie]

Haha! Hark at you Mr Garnett...brought it on themselves they did, ficcy norvern baaaaarstards

Jesus you are not even in a Manchester what are you so hot under the collar about

Parm is Scottish, can’t get more Northern UK than that :pipe:

[Cherie]

I have been furloughed since 1st April. My company gave us 100% for the first 2 months but then we dropped to 80.

Was there any glimmer of a return to work Annie?

[AnnieK]

Was there any glimmer of a return to work Annie?

We have a meeting on Thursday....hopefully regarding at least a partial return. I NEED to work now, I am literally going mad :laugh:

[arista]

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[Cherie]

We have a meeting on Thursday....hopefully regarding at least a partial return. I NEED to work now, I am literally going mad :laugh:

Oh that’s great news, :fc:

[Parmy]

I have been furloughed since 1st April. My company gave us 100% for the first 2 months but then we dropped to 80.

I can see why you would now begin to feel the difference now annie, with heating expenses going up but I'm sure companies wont put the squeeze on families suffering. I've just of the phone to my sister who has been writing a paper for her company regarding this very issue and her company have started wheeling out aid plans for people having to pay for thier services...

Its still going to be ****ty winter though.

[Parmy]

Jesus you are not even in a Manchester what are you so hot under the collar about

Parm is Scottish, can’t get more Northern UK than that :pipe:

3.2 miles over the border...:wavey:

If it was the old days I could swim into england.

[Parmy]

But there are selfish idiots everywhere Parmy. Its not exclusive to Liverpool and Manchester. :shrug:


That's obvious katey...

And there are so many ifs and buts or why and hows certain areas and cities are suffering more than others.

[The Slim Reaper]

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[Kizzy]

Fgs a lot of the SE is in Tier 2, the simple fact is it started in London so effectively the North had two weeks grace before it hit, and in some places up there despite lockdown and partial lock down the numbers never fell, something is not right, there are plenty flouting the guidelines down here as well just not as many as up there and as Bots has alluded to the way of life is more antisocial..no one calls on spec to your home in London :laugh:we make arrangements :hehe:

I'm loving the us and them aspect... it fell across the country cherie just as they said it would. And now we're seeing a second wave just as they said we would, which will be country wide. Whether you're accepting callers or not, it's coming.

[Kizzy]

Jesus you are not even in a Manchester what are you so hot under the collar about

Parm is Scottish, can’t get more Northern UK than that :pipe:

Leeds isn't a million miles away, we'll be tier 3 by Halloween.

Maybe he's been deprogrammed. ..like you.

[Cherie]

Leeds isn't a million miles away, we'll be tier 3 by Halloween.

Maybe he's been deprogrammed. ..like you.


please don't get personal, you are not the only one who can hit the report button, keep to the rules...lots of rules to follow now innit, do keep up

[Marsh.]

you are not the only one who can hit the report button

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[Cherie]

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:hee:

[LaLaLand]

Why isn’t Burnham the Labour Leader please?

****housery of the finest order by BoJo&co.

[joeysteele]

Why isn’t Burnham the Labour Leader please?

****housery of the finest order by BoJo&co.

I voted for him to be.
I've admired Burnham's conviction all through his time as Health secretary and in opposition.

It's odd the PM who is being petty about an extra 5 million, gets more admiration, excuses made for him, and even defence.

Whereas the person fighting for those at the lower end of the scale of things, at risk of losing more.
Such as Andy is, he gets attacked as playing politics.
When he's bent over backwards to not rock the boat for the government in dealing with covid.

Until now and for me, Andy Burnham is 100% right.

[reece(:]

I voted for him to be.
I've admired Burnham's conviction all through his time as Health secretary and in opposition.

It's odd the PM who is being petty about an extra 5 million, gets more admiration, excuses made for him, and even defence.

Whereas the person fighting for those at the lower end of the scale of things, at risk of losing more.
Such as Andy is, he gets attacked as playing politics.
When he's bent over backwards to not rock the boat for the government in dealing with covid.

Until now and for me, Andy Burnham is 100% right.
Complete sense as always joey, well said. :clap1:

[Daniel-X]

Well it’s a good job places like Leigh voted Tory last year isn’t it :hee:

I have no sympathy for ANYBODY working class who suffers from this who voted Tory. Turkeys voting for Christmas.

[Kizzy]

please don't get personal, you are not the only one who can hit the report button, keep to the rules...lots of rules to follow now innit, do keep up

What are you getting all bent out of shape for? I meant You have moved into London from somewhere else. If you suggesting parm has changed his views due to relocating what's wrong with me suggesting you have?

I didn't insult the views you have so where's the problem, what are you going to be reporting me for? Pfff.

[Kizzy]

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No input into the thread but one sniff of drama and there he is...Good morning Marsh, hope you're well.

[Kizzy]

Why isn’t Burnham the Labour Leader please?

****housery of the finest order by BoJo&co.

Because he's one of the lousy Labour underminers, where was he when the Labour party needed him to ensure they got in power and avoided a conservative govt?
Like the rest of the blairites nowhere!
Now he's bleating about the struggles of those on low incomes?...foff!!

[Marsh.]

No input into the thread but one sniff of drama and there he is...Good morning Marsh, hope you're well.

Better than you it seems. Lighten up.

[Kizzy]

Better than you it seems. Lighten up.

Are you lost?... would you like me to get someone to guide you back to chat and games?

[thesheriff443]

The Tier system is nothing new new

Working class, middle class, upper class.

[Marsh.]

Are you lost?... would you like me to get someone to guide you back to chat and games?

Bless. Bad day?

[arista]

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[Kate!]

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lmao. So true.

[arista]

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[Kate!]

I feel so sorry for Andy. He looks so defeated. X

[arista]

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[Mystic Mock]

Boris has just given a massive 2 finger salute to poor Andy Burnham and all the citizens of Greater Manchester by giving them a paltry 22 million as opposed to the 60 he offered this lunchtime. Why couldn't he honour what he'd proposed?

Rat.

The sad thing is Kate is that the public will give him a second term as PM despite stuff like this.

[Mitchell]

Tory in doing pure tory scum thing shocker

[Ammi]

The sad thing is Kate is that the public will give him a second term as PM despite stuff like this.

...yeah I think so, Mock...I doubt that any significant change in leadership would happen during a pandemic time and we’re all with COVID for the foreseeable...the thing though would be...would he want to stay...other than to Brexit, he’s never felt that committed to me and obviously didn’t figure for his time to be what it is being...his main thing was get it done etc...

...anyways, of course...there would be a Boris vote again because it’s all politics and it’s all Manchester’s fault is the way the public have been led to believe...if only Manchester would do it like Boris and family...oh...

[bots]

i'm sorry, but there is no getting away from the simple fact that a significant proportion of the manchester population have not been social distancing. You cant catch covid if you social distance. So, people can blame the government all they like, but controlling the spread of the virus is up to the people of Manchester to sort out. If they had social distanced like they were told to, they wouldn't need to rely on the government to bail them out

[Cherie]

What are you getting all bent out of shape for? I meant You have moved into London from somewhere else. If you suggesting parm has changed his views due to relocating what's wrong with me suggesting you have?

I didn't insult the views you have so where's the problem, what are you going to be reporting me for? Pfff.

What did you mean by being deprogrammed? ..what views of mine have changed by moving ..please explain how you know anything about my views when I was 17 and my views now 30 years later and how they have changed ..that’s some gift right there

What I believe you are suggesting is you are the one with the heart and passion and empathy...am I right? maybe I have misinterpreted your deprogrammed comment, if I have I am all ears for your explanation

[Vanessa]

They should take the offer.
Get the numbers down, so they can reopen.

[Cherie]

The 60 million is still on the table... confirmed on the news this morning

[UserSince2005]

Why do the people of manchester think they can hold the country hostage for money.
Yes we understand a large majority dont want to work and thats why you have no money.
Sit down you aint important.

[Parmy]

What did you mean by being deprogrammed? ..what views of mine have changed by moving ..please explain how you know anything about my views when I was 17 and my views now 30 years later and how they have changed ..that’s some gift right there

What I believe you are suggesting is you are the one with the heart and passion and empathy...am I right? maybe I have misinterpreted your deprogrammed comment, if I have I am all ears for your explanation



And if you do answer dont mention me, I'm not up for discussion thank you.

[arista]

The 60 million is still on the table... confirmed on the news this morning


He should take that.

[Kazanne]

I heard that the government are now going to bypass Burnham and talk to the manchester area leaders about funding, makes sense as he is being an ass

He certainly is and is playing the political card, we havent got a bottomless pot,we need to do our best and help as much as possible, as if Boris himself wants to piss off all the people who voted for him,it doesnt make sense,imo he is doing what he thinks will help in the long run,we cant just dish out money willy nilly because some want more,that's the problem ,people want more all the time, if i was him I would just tell people to get on with it and sod the outcome all the armchair critics have so much to say about how things should be done but no one has offered a solution as yet, yes,we all want more, but sometimes it's just not the best thing to do.hopefully it wont be long for Manchester,I do feel for them,my nephew lives there and his job has just gone,so I so sympathise but they were offered money.

[joeysteele]

The sad thing is Kate is that the public will give him a second term as PM despite stuff like this.

Yes very likely Mock.
Out of selfishness and possible heartlessness as sadly that's where it seems, particular parts of England have moved to have as their decisions with voting.

However, more people now again are losing their lives unnecessarily, the SAGE advice of a circuit breaker, would have prevented some deaths of loved ones now, and those to come in weeks ahead, from not doing a circuit breaker..
A circuit breaker would have reduced the likely hospital admissions too.
Across the Country.

Now to some in the Country, deaths of others loved ones are irrelevant and since they're elderly in the main, would have been likely to lose their lives anyway.
So there's no point in trying to reason with that fixed mindset.

These new unnecessary deaths come on top of the deaths previously brought about by this government's scandalous handling of PPE, testing and the Care homes disgrace.

Yet as you say, this deceitful dangerous PM will still get votes.
Even moreso now, with his dictatorial stance now.
I'm surprised he hasn't found a way to remove parliamentary authority and elections altogether.

Of course he has crushingly, 4 years left still.
Although I agree with Ammi, he may want out.
He has had his ambition of becoming PM and won an election.

The next one will be harder to win as he did in December 2019.
He won't want to be seen as on the way out..
He may well want out.
I wish he did, he's the worst PM in my view, we've ever had.
He's not up to the challenge and job at all.
Plus his hard-line, uncompromising and his lip service empathy is nauseating.

This offer was not stated as being still there, when he spoke yesterday.
Why did HE not say it was when asked???
Andy Burnham, who I'd believe any day of the week over this disgracefully deceitful PM.
Wants the offer in writing WITH ALL it's conditions detailed too.

So why won't the government do that???

This area of Greater Manchester is a mass of 2.8 million individuals, many of whom are people whose lives and livelihoods will be hit badly and cruelly.

This PM has at present lost the trust and even goodwill of a great number who had gone with him before.
Now he's kicked them in the teeth with his procrastinating, his deceit, his confusion on rules, which even he seemed to have no clue on, yet he had to approve them.

Then his pulling the plug on the right support that should be in place.
Totally out of line with his original, '' no one must lose out for doing the right thing''.
That's exciting what he's creating in Greater Manchester, it's not just Manchester city itself.

Yet as you say, the votes will likely see him win again.
Although not in the way he did last year.
There's ever growing numbers of those who've lost loved ones unnecessarily.
He REFUSES to meet those grieving loved ones too.

An inquiry I hope will expose the false charts, false statistics, the deceit and lies and especially the unnecessary deaths he and this detestable government allowed to come into play.

Which is why, I think Ammi has a point, he may not want to be around for all that coming about when the s..t hits the fan of the things HE and his government could have avoided, could have protected and caused to happen as losses of lives too of Care staff, the elderly and those with long term health conditions..
What a record, yet he claims success in dealing with this.

More deceit, sickeningly lip service and sheer hard-line heartlessness.

Yet, yes, there's those who won't give a damn about the losses of others loved ones lives as long as they haven't been affected.
What a sad, in my view, Country particularly England has become from a proportion of its voters.

[joeysteele]

He should take that.

He will likely WHEN he gets it in writing and it's there along with the detailed conditions of it too.

Your PM hasn't done that, he wouldn't even say it WAS still on the table as it was originally at that press conference when asked directly.

What further deceitful dealing is he possibly adding to the conditions of it still supposedly being on the table.

Why is it on the table anyway..
Why as the government imposing tier 3 on the 2.8 million on Greater Manchester.
Why hadn't he just announced that 60 million with the tier 3 imposed restrictions anyway.

Why only originally announce around 22 million.

He doesn't like questions, he thinks people are gullible that they'll take his word.
His words are full of deceit and are meaningless.

[Cherie]

Yes very likely Mock.
Out of selfishness and possible heartlessness as sadly that's where it seems, particular parts of England have moved to have as their decisions with voting.

However, more people now again are losing their lives unnecessarily, the SAGE advice of a circuit breaker, would have prevented some deaths of loved ones now, and those to come in weeks ahead, from not doing a circuit breaker..
A circuit breaker would have reduced the likely hospital admissions too.
Across the Country.

Now to some in the Country, deaths of others loved ones are irrelevant and since they're elderly in the main, would have been likely to lose their lives anyway.
So there's no point in trying to reason with that fixed mindset.

These new unnecessary deaths come on top of the deaths previously brought about by this government's scandalous handling of PPE, testing and the Care homes disgrace.

Yet as you say, this deceitful dangerous PM will still get votes.
Even moreso now, with his dictatorial stance now.
I'm surprised he hasn't found a way to remove parliamentary authority and elections altogether.

Of course he has crushingly, 4 years left still.
Although I agree with Ammi, he may want out.
He has had his ambition of becoming PM and won an election.

The next one will be harder to win as he did in December 2019.
He won't want to be seen as on the way out..
He may well want out.
I wish he did, he's the worst PM in my view, we've ever had.
He's not up to the challenge and job at all.
Plus his hard-line, uncompromising and his lip service empathy is nauseating.

This offer was not stated as being still there, when he spoke yesterday.
Why did HE not say it was when asked???
Andy Burnham, who I'd believe any day of the week over this disgracefully deceitful PM.
Wants the offer in writing WITH ALL it's conditions detailed too.

So why won't the government do that???

This area of Greater Manchester is a mass of 2.8 million individuals, many of whom are people whose lives and livelihoods will be hit badly and cruelly.

This PM has at present lost the trust and even goodwill of a great number who had gone with him before.
Now he's kicked them in the teeth with his procrastinating, his deceit, his confusion on rules, which even he seemed to have no clue on, yet he had to approve them.

Then his pulling the plug on the right support that should be in place.
Totally out of line with his original, '' no one must lose out for doing the right thing''.
That's exciting what he's creating in Greater Manchester, it's not just Manchester city itself.

Yet as you say, the votes will likely see him win again.
Although not in the way he did last year.
There's ever growing numbers of those who've lost loved ones unnecessarily.
He REFUSES to meet those grieving loved ones too.

An inquiry I hope will expose the false charts, false statistics, the deceit and lies and especially the unnecessary deaths he and this detestable government allowed to come into play.

Which is why, I think Ammi has a point, he may not want to be around for all that coming about when the s..t hits the fan of the things HE and his government could have avoided, could have protected and caused to happen as losses of lives too of Care staff, the elderly and those with long term health conditions..
What a record, yet he claims success in dealing with this.

More deceit, sickeningly lip service and sheer hard-line heartlessness.

Yet, yes, there's those who won't give a damn about the losses of others loved ones lives as long as they haven't been affected.
What a sad, in my view, Country particularly England has become from a proportion of its voters.


Jonathan Van Tam confirmed in the briefing yesterday that a circuit breaker makes no sense for people in areas of low infection, so for people living in parts of Norfolk and Cornwall, Pembrokshire and other areas like that, it makes no sense at all

He did say the offer was still there, he said they had to be fair to Liverpool and Lancashire and offer a similar amount of funding, it was superseded by the tweet showing Andy getting the news on someones phone, so that seems to have been what stuck rather than what was actually being said

ICU bed capacity in Manchester is at a dangerous level that is the takeway we should have from this, and yes that will unfortunatley translate to unnecessary deaths

[Kizzy]

What did you mean by being deprogrammed? ..what views of mine have changed by moving ..please explain how you know anything about my views when I was 17 and my views now 30 years later and how they have changed ..that’s some gift right there

What I believe you are suggesting is you are the one with the heart and passion and empathy...am I right? maybe I have misinterpreted your deprogrammed comment, if I have I am all ears for your explanation

Not that I owe you an explanation... I didn't mention anything about passion or empathy? You suggested there's a difference in the way people south interact, like the person you mentioned (happy now?) You are not from there either... So at some point you adopted those social norms.
That's what I meant, that if there's some distinct difference in behaviours, if there's a process to go through to comply?
I called it deprogramming, it wasn't an insult just a word to suggest a transition from one way of thinking to another.

[joeysteele]

Jonathan Van Tam confirmed in the briefing yesterday that a circuit breaker makes no sense for people in areas of low infection, so for people living in parts of Norfolk and Cornwall, Pembrokshire and other areas like that, it makes no sense at all

He did say the offer was still there, he said they had to be fair to Liverpool and Lancashire and offer a similar amount of funding, it was superseded by the tweet showing Andy getting the news on someones phone, so that seems to have been what stuck rather than what was actually being said

ICU bed capacity in Manchester is at a dangerous level that is the takeway we should have from this, and yes that will unfortunatley translate to unnecessary deaths


Sorry, you and I will never agree on that.
Way over half of England is in restrictions.
If more areas go in as they will as the government is looking at other areas to do the same now.

The science called for a circuit breaker, Chris Whity stated there was no certainty tier 3 restrictions would be enough either.

The Country is either all in this together or it's not .the virus knows no borders.
Those areas aren't hit YET.

The attitudes of them in we're alright jack, the rest of you get on with it and suffer.
Sounds frankly awful.

What figure did Johnson state in the press conference.
When asked if the offer of 60 million was still there, he DIDN'T answer.
No way did he.
All he revealed was 22 million.
Why, if it was still there.
I say again.
He took over, he imposed tier 3 without agreement, he could have announced that 60 million at the same time.
He didn't, WHY,??
He would be imposing the tier 3, giving 22 million but NOT the 60 million.
Pure deceit in my view, not yours, certainly my view however.

Liverpool has a vastly lower population than the 2.8 million residents of Greater Manchester too.
Anyway, I know who I'd trust.
You can rust Johnson's word.
That's your right but I never ever will.

Even if I'd lost no one to this virus, his handling of this and the Greater Manchester issue too.
I'd have thought catastrophic.

[Cherie]

Sorry, you and I will never agree on that.
Way over half of England is in restrictions.
If more areas go in as they will as the government is looking at other areas to do the same now.

The science called for a circuit breaker, Chris Whity stated there was no certainty tier 3 restrictions would be enough either.

The Country is either all in this together or it's not .the virus knows no borders.
Those areas aren't hit YET.

The attitudes of them in we're alright jack, the rest of you get on with it and suffer.
Sounds frankly awful.

What figure did Johnson state in the press conference.
When asked if the offer of 60 million was still there, he DIDN'T answer.
No way did he.
All he revealed was 22 million.
Why, if it was still there.
I say again.
He took over, he imposed tier 3 without agreement, he could have announced that 60 million at the same time.
He didn't, WHY,??
He would be imposing the tier 3, giving 22 million but NOT the 60 million.
Pure deceit in my view, not yours, certainly my view however.

Liverpool has a vastly lower population than the 2.8 million residents of Greater Manchester too.
Anyway, I know who I'd trust.
You can rust Johnson's word.
That's your right but I never ever will.

Even if I'd lost no one to this virus, his handling of this and the Greater Manchester issue too.
I'd have thought catastrophic.


The areas are hit YET exactly so why lock then down when there is no need to?

Some areas will never be hit badly purely due to their social make up and and population density

Personally I think Gt Man is beyond Tier 3 and should be locked down at this stage, everything closed including schools

[bots]

where i am in the South East, our infection rate is tiny compared to the likes of Manchester. We don't need to be locked down. If half the country have constipation you don't give the whole country laxative. That's what people that want a national circuit breaker seem to think is correct

[Cherie]

where i am in the South East, our infection rate is tiny compared to the likes of Manchester. We don't need to be locked down. If half the country have constipation you don't give the whole country laxative. That's what people that want a national circuit breaker seem to think is correct

:joker: great analogy, spat my tea out

[Kizzy]

Sorry, you and I will never agree on that.
Way over half of England is in restrictions.
If more areas go in as they will as the government is looking at other areas to do the same now.

The science called for a circuit breaker, Chris Whity stated there was no certainty tier 3 restrictions would be enough either.

The Country is either all in this together or it's not .the virus knows no borders.
Those areas aren't hit YET.

The attitudes of them in we're alright jack, the rest of you get on with it and suffer.
Sounds frankly awful.

What figure did Johnson state in the press conference.
When asked if the offer of 60 million was still there, he DIDN'T answer.
No way did he.
All he revealed was 22 million.
Why, if it was still there.
I say again.
He took over, he imposed tier 3 without agreement, he could have announced that 60 million at the same time.
He didn't, WHY,??
He would be imposing the tier 3, giving 22 million but NOT the 60 million.
Pure deceit in my view, not yours, certainly my view however.

Liverpool has a vastly lower population than the 2.8 million residents of Greater Manchester too.
Anyway, I know who I'd trust.
You can rust Johnson's word.
That's your right but I never ever will.

Even if I'd lost no one to this virus, his handling of this and the Greater Manchester issue too.
I'd have thought catastrophic.
Excellent post Joey agree with all of that. What I can't understand is why there's suddenly a need for negotiations? Surely they are aware of requirements as they have that info from the initial lockdown. How can there be 'offers' to be accepted or rejected.
This isn't some shady backstreet deal, it's the PM's job to ensure continuity of business and services. If you are going to segregate swathes of the country there has to be some concrete contingency planning.
Is it not Sunaks remit to use some kind of formulae to work out what is needed based on population? This carrot and stick approach is crazy.

[joeysteele]

The areas are hit YET exactly so why lock then down when there is no need to?

Some areas will never be hit badly purely due to their social make up and and population density

Personally I think Gt Man is beyond Tier 3 and should be locked down at this stage, everything closed including schools

As I said.
You and I don't and will.never agree with this.

The science advice on September 21st was to do a circuit breaker across the Country.

That would have brought down infection rates, hospital admissions and yes deaths of loved one too unnecessarily, ( not that that's much of a consideration of government at present with no real official support or protection for those who want it who are most vulnerable to deaths).

That was the advice.
This PM rejected it.

Ask the science why they felt all areas should have been In a circuit breaker from their advice in I'd have taken that advice.
You wouldn't because some areas aren't yet as badly hit as others.

I'll stick with they should have taken the advice in September, to save infections, hospital admissions and unnecessary deaths too

[Kizzy]

where i am in the South East, our infection rate is tiny compared to the likes of Manchester. We don't need to be locked down. If half the country have constipation you don't give the whole country laxative. That's what people that want a national circuit breaker seem to think is correct


You can't catch constipation so that analogy is sh*t ;)

[joeysteele]

where i am in the South East, our infection rate is tiny compared to the likes of Manchester. We don't need to be locked down. If half the country have constipation you don't give the whole country laxative. That's what people that want a national circuit breaker seem to think is correct


I think constipation is far from a comparison to a virus unseen that can kill so many

Not many die from constipation.
I'm sure those who've lost loved ones to this virus will.be laughing their heads off.

Unbelievable.

[user104658]

Do people realise how little money £22 million (or even £60 million) is in terms of government spending? There's literally no reason for it to be so low other than political games / pure spite. People saying that the government "doesn't have an endless pot of money" really aren't comprehending what the scope of government spending is...

To use an analogy - the situation in Manchester is like a kid asking their dad who has thousands in the bank for £1 and the dad saying "Sorry I can only afford 20p".

[Liam-]

He was more than happy to spend money on an imaginary bridge, water cannons that were never used, hundreds of millions on Brexit propaganda, millions on commemorative coins that had to be scrapped because they completely failed at their job, he can hand endless millions out to his cohorts for official government contracts, without any hesitation whatsoever right in our faces, he can give tax payer money to random women he’s having an affair with to help her business.

But give a little bit extra to a city that needs it to help the people he governs? Suddenly he’s frugal? Suddenly the country can’t afford it? Suddenly the leaves have fallen off of the magic money tree?

I actually hate the Tories on a level I can’t quite describe, especially ones like ‘good ole Boris’

[Kizzy]

I still don't get the idea of 'offers' ... every hour the government stall on this is a dereliction of duty.
They know what is required, just do your damn jobs and support the areas that are severely affected!

What are the ' negotiations' for?

[bots]

it's not the government stalling, in this case it was Burnham. He made it an issue rather than ramming the message home that people should be social distancing. He is supposedly responsible for the people of Manchester, so why didn't he make it his duty to get people to social distance. The guy is an ass

[Parmy]

The words circuit breaker were not even invented in september

[Liam-]

it's not the government stalling, in this case it was Burnham. He made it an issue rather than ramming the message home that people should be social distancing. He is supposedly responsible for the people of Manchester, so why didn't he make it his duty to get people to social distance. The guy is an ass

He didn’t stall, he asked for an amount of money they the city needed and Boris played games because he’s a cock

[Kizzy]

it's not the government stalling, in this case it was Burnham. He made it an issue rather than ramming the message home that people should be social distancing. He is supposedly responsible for the people of Manchester, so why didn't he make it his duty to get people to social distance. The guy is an ass

When has any mayor not advocated social distancing?

Only an ass would suggest millions of people suffer due to politicians quibbling instead of taking swift decisive action.
That's their job, why ask the mayors what they need for continuity in tier 3 if they have no intention of going over a set amount? Just give them that and stop this charade.

Even now there's this silly ' the deal is still on the table' .. what deal? What have Manchester got to bargain with? Nothing, they're already in tier 3 and covid is rife... that is nothe Burnhams fault.

[Kizzy]

The words circuit breaker were not even invented in september

Wrong..

What is a circuit breaker?

The term 'circuit breaker' started cropping up in lockdown discussions around the middle of September as experts suggested that a short, sharp halt in the spread of the virus could help to curb infection rates.*

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/heading-circuit-breaker-lockdown-what-19102740.amp

[AnnieK]

There are loads of signs everywhere telling people to social distance. Unfortunately, Andy Burnham can't physically force people to do it. It's a big mess but we have to get it under control and I am sure we will and I'm also sure it will spread elsewhere and we certainly won't be the last area locked down. Will be interesting to see how much money other, more southerly regions get to see if the North is held in leas regard.

The people of Manchester will get through this....we are in for a rough ride but we're made of tough stuff up here...so :tongue: to Boris and the Tory party.

[Kazanne]

There are loads of signs everywhere telling people to social distance. Unfortunately, Andy Burnham can't physically force people to do it. It's a big mess but we have to get it under control and I am sure we will and I'm also sure it will spread elsewhere and we certainly won't be the last area locked down. Will be interesting to see how much money other, more southerly regions get to see if the North is held in leas regard.

The people of Manchester will get through this....we are in for a rough ride but we're made of tough stuff up here...so :tongue: to Boris and the Tory party.

I did notice Andy Burnam was not wearing a mask on the news yesterday along with most of the people with him,or social distancing, he should probably show a good example even though I know its not compulsary,

[joeysteele]

I did notice Andy Burnam was not wearing a mask on the news yesterday along with most of the people with him,or social distancing, he should probably show a good example even though I know its not compulsary,


You don't have to wear a mask outside.
Although I think people should.

Plus he was keeping his distance from others if you were to watch properly.

Even when shown the phone message.

Any comments on Johnson indoors when he didn't wear a mask.
When planing that wood with people close to him.
Or do the rules only apply to Labour and other party politicians

[joeysteele]

There are loads of signs everywhere telling people to social distance. Unfortunately, Andy Burnham can't physically force people to do it. It's a big mess but we have to get it under control and I am sure we will and I'm also sure it will spread elsewhere and we certainly won't be the last area locked down. Will be interesting to see how much money other, more southerly regions get to see if the North is held in leas regard.

The people of Manchester will get through this....we are in for a rough ride but we're made of tough stuff up here...so :tongue: to Boris and the Tory party.

You will Annie , I've relatives who live in Manchester and many friends there too.
I love the place.
They are determined but most I've heard from are behind Burnham.
He moved massively.
He with the costings done by the areas, wanted 75 million.
He crashed that to the barest minimum of 65million to help the negotiations.

Although he knew, harder decisions would result.

Then this lot haggle for 5 million.

However it's Burnham's fault the group negotiation with the government failed.
He was wrong so presumably Con Graham Brady is wrong too.

However Burnham is to blame for people not doing as they are advised to, not told to.
Unbelievable.

I wonder if we'll hear those voices in the Con controlled Councils and Con Mayor's where the infections are rising in too.

I won't hold my breath.

Then they accuse Andy of playing politics.
Unbelievable.


It's incredible there's blame thrown to Burnham.
Not this government and its mixed messaging and hypocrisy of they can do what they like.

[Samm]

He certainly is and is playing the political card, we havent got a bottomless pot,we need to do our best and help as much as possible, as if Boris himself wants to piss off all the people who voted for him,it doesnt make sense,imo he is doing what he thinks will help in the long run,we cant just dish out money willy nilly because some want more,that's the problem ,people want more all the time, if i was him I would just tell people to get on with it and sod the outcome all the armchair critics have so much to say about how things should be done but no one has offered a solution as yet, yes,we all want more, but sometimes it's just not the best thing to do.hopefully it wont be long for Manchester,I do feel for them,my nephew lives there and his job has just gone,so I so sympathise but they were offered money.

so £100m spent on pointless brexit advertisement at the start of the year is okay? but money for people to keep their jobs is not? There certainly is a bottomless pot when money is being given out for pointless propaganda seeing as we didn't leave at the time proposed.

[Kizzy]

Annie from the brink of tier 3 in West Yorkshire I get the impression this is some sick social experiment. The north are being treated like lab rats, take a third of their income, family and social life and see what happens.
I've no doubt by Christmas the country will be in full lock down again as this silly tier system will be exposed for being the shambles it is.

[bots]

London will likely be next to get the tier 3 treatment in the not to distant future, and they will get the same proportionate deal as the north

[Cherie]

There are loads of signs everywhere telling people to social distance. Unfortunately, Andy Burnham can't physically force people to do it. It's a big mess but we have to get it under control and I am sure we will and I'm also sure it will spread elsewhere and we certainly won't be the last area locked down. Will be interesting to see how much money other, more southerly regions get to see if the North is held in leas regard.

The people of Manchester will get through this....we are in for a rough ride but we're made of tough stuff up here...so :tongue: to Boris and the Tory party.

Do you honestly think if say Devon goes into Tier 3 they will get more than 67% of their wages?

[Vanessa]

London will likely be next to get the tier 3 treatment in the not to distant future, and they will get the same proportionate deal as the north

I don't think the situation is too bad here in London.
Hopefully it won't be necessary.
But if it happens I will still have to go to work.
Because I'm in the food industry.

[Kizzy]

London will likely be next to get the tier 3 treatment in the not to distant future, and they will get the same proportionate deal as the north

Did the north get a proportionate deal..? Liverpool 30M Manchester 22M How I'd that proportionate?

I'll be interested to see what London get too.

[Vanessa]

Did the north get a proportionate deal..? Liverpool 30M Manchester 22M How I'd that proportionate?

I'll be interested to see what London get too.

Isn't everyone getting the same? :suspect:

[AnnieK]

Did the north get a proportionate deal..? Liverpool 30M Manchester 22M How I'd that proportionate?

I'll be interested to see what London get too.

Sheffield have been given £41 million

[Vanessa]

The offer of 60 m for Manchester is still on the table.
I think they should take it.
Hopefully the lockdown won't be for long.

[AnnieK]

Do you honestly think if say Devon goes into Tier 3 they will get more than 67% of their wages?

No I'm sure the people won't get any more. How much the area is given is what I am interested in. Whatever happens, joe public will be the ones who suffer, not the politicians etc

[Kizzy]

Do you honestly think if say Devon goes into Tier 3 they will get more than 67% of their wages?

She didn't mention wages... Devon is v small compared to Manchester the point is will the offers reflect the population size of the area or not?

[Kizzy]

Sheffield have been given £41 million

That seems generous, almost double that given to Manchester... they are just pulling figures from a hat now surely?

[smudgie]

That seems generous, almost double that given to Manchester... they are just pulling figures from a hat now surely?

Two sets of figures Kizzy.
Sheffield were given 11 million, half of the 22 million Manchester will get, for track and trace etc.
Sheffield accepted 30 million whereas Manchester were offered 60 million for help with business etc.
The figures work out about the same from region to region as it’s worked out on how many people it covers.
The 67% of wages will be topped up to 80% through universal credit, so it will go to the person direct rather than the company, I would think this will help to stop the fiddling that has gone on.

[smudgie]

That seems generous, almost double that given to Manchester... they are just pulling figures from a hat now surely?

Yes.
Manchester was offered 82 million.
Double the amount, due to the size of area and people it covers.

[arista]

The offer of 60 m for Manchester is still on the table.
I think they should take it.
Hopefully the lockdown won't be for long.


Yes take that high amount.


It's a 28 day review of Tier 3.

[arista]

Johnson said at PMQ's
Great Manchester will get the £60Million

[Kizzy]

Johnson said at PMQ's
Great Manchester will get the £60Million

It's not enough... if cities with a population of under 1M are getting 30/40M how with a population of 2.7M do Manchester have to beg for 60M?

[joeysteele]

It's not enough... if cities with a population of under 1M are getting 30/40M how with a population of 2.7M do Manchester have to beg for 60M?

Exactly Kizzy.

[Parmy]

Its ****ing plenty for a city that doesn't care.

[Kizzy]

Its ****ing plenty for a city that doesn't care.

2.7 people don't care about coronavirus.. you do realise how silly that sounds don't you?

[user104658]

Its ****ing plenty for a city that doesn't care.

It's one of the UK's biggest cities so if it suffers and there are mass job losses, the whole UK suffers economically. You don't get to pick'n'choose areas to help and areas not to help.

[Tom4784]

It's one of the UK's biggest cities so if it suffers and there are mass job losses, the whole UK suffers economically. You don't get to pick'n'choose areas to help and areas not to help.

No! That's not the right wing way! You only help those that are on your side and **** everyone else.

[Parmy]

It's one of the UK's biggest cities so if it suffers and there are mass job losses, the whole UK suffers economically. You don't get to pick'n'choose areas to help and areas not to help.

Only cause I'm not in charge....if I was...well they had enough warnings...!

[Parmy]

No! That's not the right wing way! You only help those that are on your side and **** everyone else.

A bit like everyone ignoring the guidlines really....

[arista]

"It's not enough."


Look £60Million
is better than nothing, Kizzy

[AnnieK]

Its ****ing plenty for a city that doesn't care.

The City doesn't care??? That's a massive sweeping statement there Parm. There is a proportion of people who have flouted the rules here.....by no means everyone.

Am loving the empathy for the people who this will directly effect... people who probably have abided by the rules but now face a bleak winter. :nono:

[Marsh.]

The City doesn't care??? That's a massive sweeping statement there Parm. There is a proportion of people who have flouted the rules here.....by no means everyone.

Am loving the empathy for the people who this will directly effect... people who probably have abided by the rules but now face a bleak winter. :nono:

He's baiting as usual. Ignore him.

[joeysteele]

The City doesn't care??? That's a massive sweeping statement there Parm. There is a proportion of people who have flouted the rules here.....by no means everyone.

Am loving the empathy for the people who this will directly effect... people who probably have abided by the rules but now face a bleak winter. :nono:

Don't worry Annie.

Anyone with any decency knows it's a minority EVERYWHERE who are flouting the rules, not whole cities.
Certainly not Manchester.

Those like yourself who live there, those who know the City and area.
They know the real truth and what was really needed too in order to ensure protection for the lowest paid workers who will now suffer in some way.

[Parmy]

He's baiting as usual. Ignore him.

No I ain't.. I love annie to bits, that's why its difficult to post my feelings on the matter..but I wont be a fake.:nono:

Also I will reply now to annie..

I think it's going to be a bleak winter fall all...money ain't everything, I ain't even seen, never mind touched a single member of my family since march..

And that's not going to change for however long...think about that everyone..think about being 500 miles away from your immediate family.

[Dogeatdog]

I remember when he said that “we’re all in this together” :conf2:

[joeysteele]

I remember when he said that “we’re all in this together” :conf2:

Indeed Dogeatdog.

He also promised no one would have to lose out for doing the right thing.

Yet that all gets overlooked.

His promises are just more examples of his deceit.
His word utterly and totally meaningless.

[Kate!]

Indeed Dogeatdog.

He also promised no one would have to lose out for doing the right thing.

Yet that all gets overlooked.

His promises are just more examples of his deceit.
His word utterly and totally meaningless.

I look at Boris and all I hear is blah blah blah. He talks rubbish.

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/pile-british-pound-coins-7120597.jpg

[arista]

Found a thread from 2021
since Johnson is doing his book
on Front pages


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[Mystic Mock]

Did Boris really expect any different?

It's one of the main reasons why we shouldn't have voted for Brexit.

[Gusto Brunt]

I'm fed up of hearing what a 'great writer' he is. And how 'fantastically funny' he is.

He bores the pants off me. His writing is no better or amusing than any other Joe out there.

A case of the Emperor's New Clothes.

[The Slim Reaper]

Did Boris really expect any different?

It's one of the main reasons why we shouldn't have voted for Brexit.

That headline is based solely off Boris' feelings. There is absolutely nothing behind it. Much like his eyes.

[MTVN]

I'm fed up of hearing what a 'great writer' he is. And how 'fantastically funny' he is.

He bores the pants off me. His writing is no better or amusing than any other Joe out there.

A case of the Emperor's New Clothes.

He was a successful journalist before being a politician and his books have been very well received

[Livia]

I think he's an exceptionally good writer.

[Kate!]

He's far more personable than 2 Tier.

[Gusto Brunt]

He was a successful journalist before being a politician and his books have been very well received

Means nothing to me. I still find him boring.

[joeysteele]

Never had any time for him and never will.

One thing I will say as to him, that is on issues, such as the EU for instance.
He like on other matters, made a really strong case in support of the EU.
Plus his strong alternative case for leaving it.
Obviously I never agreed with his view on leaving.

It started to come to my mind, however he came to decide on the opposite cases he made on issues.
It seemed he chose the wrong ones.

Like all PMs he learned once in power PMs DON'T get all their own way and it maybe was he was left frustrated by how he'd have liked to govern as PM.
It all went wrong by his own hand and bad decision making.
Which didn't improve as his years went on as PM, things just getting worse really.
Hence his rightful downfall.

His book taken with a pinch of salt thinking it more full of the nonsense he spouted out rather than a dawn of even just common sense never mind showing much intelligence.

[Mystic Mock]

That headline is based solely off Boris' feelings. There is absolutely nothing behind it. Much like his eyes.

Fair point.

[Livia]

If they put Boris's name on the ballot for Tory leader, he'd be back in the job in a heartbeat.

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

No.
No more as to a referendum.
Where more lies from Johnson and Farage as in the Brexit one would become the norm.

[Mystic Mock]

No.
No more as to a referendum.
Where more lies from Johnson and Farage as in the Brexit one would become the norm.

I'd also be nervous about certain Human Rights being taken away on the stealth.

[arista]

I'd also be nervous about certain Human Rights being taken away on the stealth.


No,
it would then be the British Human Rights
set up to replace it.

[Mystic Mock]

No,
it would then be the British Human Rights
set up to replace it.

And that would be scary to me.

Does anyone trust Labour or the Tories to setup a British Human Rights law?

[joeysteele]

I'd also be nervous about certain Human Rights being taken away on the stealth.

Absolutely.
There's always in any treaty or final details of things, some parts which may be irritating to some Nations.
However once you start picking only bits of treaties and rulings then you wreck the original needs and securities for everyone.

The ECHR was set up to protect.
Those who now want to leave it are likely going to take the UK down a very dangerous path.
A path once used which could lead to much worse too.

This is the Cons now via Johnson again, still running up the backsides of the destructive Reform party lot.
Just leave the ECHR as it is and was intended.
I wouldn't trust a British human rights done by the Cons or Reform.
In fact I wouldn't support one off Labour either instead of the ECHR which was created by far wiser individuals at the time, for a very major and important reasoning.

[arista]

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[arista]

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