Parliament Vote (21/10/20) Labour asks for School Dinners for children: England

[arista]

The prime minister has stated
£1,000 added to Universal Credit per year.
That's a no from him.

Labour want School Dinners
to carry on in the holidays.



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A LibDem MP bought it up.


A few Conservatives are going to vote with Labour at 7PM.
But will they get enough votes to win today?

[Tom4784]

The Tories turning down the chance to feed children? I am so shocked and not at all used to that party lacking basic empathy!

[arista]

The Tories turning down the chance to feed children? I am so shocked and not at all used to that party lacking basic empathy!


The Prime Minister
claims the increase in the Universal credit
covers it

[joeysteele]

The Prime Minister
claims the increase in the Universal credit
covers it

He claims everything nearly is covered by it.
IF you can get it and whenever you do.
At times it is obviously the help required.

This vote though is penny pinching to the lowest degree.
Not that I'm surprised he's against it.

How is it that universal credit didn't cover this in term times.
Also who finances universal credit.

Yes the taxpayer so why be so difficult messing about like this with children's welfare.

[arista]

Will they Win the Vote?
They need all the SNP to help
and more Conservatives to vote with Labour

[UserSince2005]

****ing hell, the amount of obese kids about, they could do with skipping a meal.

[arista]

****ing hell, the amount of obese kids about, they could do with skipping a meal.


I assume those ones
are the rich kids

[joeysteele]

Will they Win the Vote?
They need all the SNP to help
and more Conservatives to vote with Labour

No I doubt it.
Despite many Con MPs thinking this should be done.

Few will risk or want black marks put against them by Johnson and Cummings, for following their conscience.

[Oliver_W]

Tbh free school meals should be all year round anyway.

[UserSince2005]

And also parents who cant feed their kids need prosecuting for child abuse.

Why are people have kids they cant even afford to feed.

Pathetic!

[LukeB]

And also parents who cant feed their kids need prosecuting for child abuse.

Why are people have kids they cant even afford to feed.

Pathetic!

This attitude is awful

You do not know their situation.... they could have lost their jobs, times are tough :shrug:

[UserSince2005]

This attitude is awful

You do not know their situation.... they could have lost their jobs, times are tough :shrug:

Get another job then?

Life is hard, I know. Get on with it and stop expecting ****.

[arista]

And also parents who cant feed their kids need prosecuting for child abuse.

Why are people have kids they cant even afford to feed.

Pathetic!


Those parents have run out of cash.

[LukeB]

Get another job then?

Life is hard, I know. Get on with it and stop expecting ****.

It’s 2020... getting a job is not that easy and simple anymore and luck may not be on their side:shrug: do you realise how many stages you have to go through to get a job now?

[user104658]

****ing hell, the amount of obese kids about, they could do with skipping a meal.I assume those ones
are the rich kidsI think you'll find you're wrong there arista - poorer kids are more likely to be overweight because good quality food is expensive, junk is cheap, and also poorer kids are less likely to have physical extracurricular activities (which are also often not cheap - my daughter's stage school is over £100/month for example).

Sadly kids from low income families - if they don't have a sport (or if sport groups are cancelled/postponed) - are quite likely to end up overweight.

[user104658]

Get another job then?




How can you be this unaware of the effect Covid is having on the economy :joker:.

[arista]

OK
some rich kids are fat

[Oliver_W]

Get another job then?

Life is hard, I know. Get on with it and stop expecting ****.

What colour is the sky in your world? It's not always that simple, and we can't all be as rich and well-travelled as you and michael21 :rolleyes:

[user104658]

as rich and well-travelled as you and michael21

They could go together, it would be a Netflix sensation.

[arista]

Sadly Labour has lost this vote

Ayes :261
Noes :322


Majority:61

[joeysteele]

Disgraceful.
This government has sunk to being even lower than low.
Gutless backbenchers as good as robbing from children.

This should never be forgotten and I hope it won't be either.

[Liam-]

Not feeding less well off kids is peak Tory, we’re in the gutter folks

[arista]

Disgraceful.
This government has sunk to being even lower than low.
Gutless backbenchers as good as robbing from children.

This should never be forgotten and I hope it won't be either.


Very Valid Points

[arista]

Not feeding less well off kids is peak Tory, we’re in the gutter folks


But
Slick Liam
there are Charities that can help.

[Liam-]

But
Slick Liam
there are Charities that can help.

There shouldn’t be the need for charities to feed children in one of the richest countries in the world

[arista]

On Ch4HDnews
they just showed a Driver (Charity) delivering
meals to Schools
in Birmingham.

[arista]

There shouldn’t be the need for charities to feed children in one of the richest countries in the world


We are no longer a Rich Country
thanks to Deadly Covid-19.

[Liam-]

We are no longer a Rich Country
thanks to Deadly Covid-19.

We’re a hell of a lot richer than most countries still, there is no excuse for the need of food banks and food charities in a highly advanced, 1st world country like this one, it’s a disgrace, charities shouldn’t have to subsidise the governments responsibilities because they can’t stop being heartless bastards

[Ammi]

...there’s a reason why we’re not a ‘rich country’ then, if we disregard our children in a such a way../...our government...our children are our riches...

[arista]

We’re a hell of a lot richer than most countries still, there is no excuse for the need of food banks and food charities in a highly advanced, 1st world country like this one, it’s a disgrace, charities shouldn’t have to subsidise the governments responsibilities because they can’t stop being heartless bastards


Of Course we used to Run most of the World
in the British Empire.


Even took Control of America.

[arista]

...there’s a reason why we’re not a ‘rich country’ then, if we disregard our children in a such a way../...our government...our children are our riches...


You can ask a Charity to assist your School.

[Parmy]

It’s 2020... getting a job is not that easy and simple anymore and luck may not be on their side:shrug: do you realise how many stages you have to go through to get a job now?

Depends what job you are going for..

If you just need a job for cash...any cash..cash to feed a starving child..I would imagine you just go through one interview.

[Ammi]

You can ask a Charity to assist your School.

...sending the voters of the future to a charity to eat...and this is why we’re not a rich country, Arista...and never will be...

[arista]

...sending the voters of the future to a charity to eat...and this is why we’re not a rich country, Arista...and never will be...


But they can Deliver to your School

[Tom4784]

In the words of Angela Rayner, 'Tory scum!'.

[Jake.]

We are no longer a Rich Country
thanks to Deadly Covid-19.

The government paid out £522 million to get people eating Nando’s and Wagamama’s again, let’s not with the “we’re not rich enough” argument.

This government actually sickens me. Imagining voting against making sure that disadvantaged children got fed.

[Jake.]

https://twitter.com/sunapology/status/1273575504726155265?s=21

[UserSince2005]

Imagine having kids and thinking that someone else has to go to work and pay for them to eat because you sure can’t be bothered to.
This is all that is wrong with this country.

[Jake.]

Imagine having kids and thinking that someone else has to go to work and pay for them to eat because you sure can’t be bothered to.
This is all that is wrong with this country.

What’s “wrong” is you assuming that every child who needs a free school dinner is from a non-working family.

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

Cruel is the word.
Scandalous.
This is a government rotten from top down.

[arista]

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[reece(:]

Disgraceful.

[Ammi]

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[arista]

No Marcus stay in your Sports zone

[Ammi]

...one young person whose life could not be further removed from poverty in his lifestyle has more insight into child hunger and child poverty than the entire government who are serving us...and it can’t be seen how totally and fundamentally broken that is...children are the only future that any of us have..they’re the only future government, they’re the only future voters, they’re the only future everything ...

...and their return to school...?...I mean the whole very point of that was how important their education was ...how their learning could not continue as fragmented as it was...and the government looked us all right in the eyes when they said that, Boris did/...that we need to think of the children through this pandemic..?...a child can’t and won’t learn anything if they’re hungry, they’ll neither learn nor thrive in any capacity whatsoever...they’ll just exist in their hunger....


...it’s staggering...those people who voted no, staggering...their heads forever should be hung in shame...

[Ammi]

No Marcus stay in your Sports zone

...you have ‘zones’ when it’s about not feeding a child...

[arista]

...you have ‘zones’ when it’s about not feeding a child...

Look
Ch4HDnews last night
showed a Charity man
that would drive food to schools,

that's the way forward

[Ammi]

Look
Ch4HDnews last night
showed a Charity man
drive food to schools,

that's the way forward

...it’s always ‘the other man’ that’s the way forward, Arista...so long as ‘the other man’ is prepared to take that responsibility...we can’t take ‘immigrants’ because we’re far too busy caring for our homeless..?..we do such a great job in feeding and sheltering them, don’t we...?..obviously we don’t though, because the nice charity people will take care of that...so instead, we can focus on the children in poverty who aren’t eating anything even close to a healthy meal each day...that’s where we’ll put our attention...?...oh wait, though...can’t the nice charity people take care of them as well...

...there is no way forward in that, Arista...non whatsoever, it’s just a dead end road I’m afraid because the Charities will suffer through this all as well as the children...how could they not...and you’re wise enough to know that...

[arista]

But we are Stuck in this Covid-19 Time.

Charities that help schools
is better than nothing.

[Ammi]

...when people cant afford to support charities on their lower wage or lost incomes then there will be nothing soon enough, Arista...and the reason for that lays in one place only...the government who voted for that nothing...you think that’s okay and fine because somehow they’ll get by on nothing...?...someone who has nothing themselves will come along and feed them...?...school staff out of their own purses and own funding have given breakfast to some of their children for many, many years...and rather than address that and right it...?...the government have voted no to lunch as well...‘Better than nothing and hoping for others to step in, in any small capacity’...is not how a country is run or can thrive and you absolutely know that, sir...

[Ammi]

...‘let’s make Britain great again..’...let’s hand it over to the charities and hope they can help...that was it, was it....apparently it was...

[arista]

...‘let’s make Britain great again..’...let’s hand it over to the charities and hope they can help...that was it, was it....apparently it was...


How can we
the Poxy Scottish want to leave Great Britain.

[Ammi]

How can we
the Poxy Scottish want to leave Great Britain.

...oh we diverted from the government to the charities and now we’re diverting to the poxy Scottish...I’ll leave you to your diverting, Arista...until you run out of diversions...

[Cherie]

Very disappointing, it was only to be extended to next Easter so just an extra 5 weeks, it would have been a decent gesture

[Cherie]

But they can Deliver to your School

This is for holiday time, the kids are not in school

[arista]

This is for holiday time, the kids are not in school


Yes some special needs kids are, though.


Food can be delivered any day
from a Good charity set up.

[bots]

Obviously no child should go without meals, but as usual, this being a predominately labour supporting forum membership, the full story is not being portrayed. It's par for the course unfortunately

[Ammi]

...let’s not divert it to ‘left and right’ as well when it’s about children...there is no left or right for children and their sustenance...

[bots]

...let’s not divert it to ‘left and right’ as well when it’s about children...there is no left or right for children and their sustenance...

yeah, and that's not been on display for the rest of the thread

[Glenn.]

And also parents who cant feed their kids need prosecuting for child abuse.

Why are people have kids they cant even afford to feed.

Pathetic!

Get another job then?

Life is hard, I know. Get on with it and stop expecting ****.

That’s a pretty bull**** way of thinking.

Given the current global situation, I think it’s safe to say that times are hard and even harder for some whose situations were dire before even the pandemic.

[Ammi]

yeah, and that's not been on display for the rest of the thread

...the thread seems to me to condemn a Conservative government that voted no in the majority to giving children those meals...I mean, it reflects what’s actually happened and so that’s how it’s displayed...I don’t get anything further than that...

[arista]

...let’s not divert it to ‘left and right’ as well when it’s about children...there is no left or right for children and their sustenance...



But it is Conservative Vs Labour


They Lost the election Big Time

[Ammi]

But it is Conservative Vs Labour


They Lost the election Big Time

...oh will you stop that, Arista...the only ‘loss’ being felt is by our children...those children are our future elections of whatever government...and as the saying goes...‘lest they forget‘ that their government were happy to hand them over to a charity as you’ve suggested is fine and dandy...

[joeysteele]

But it is Conservative Vs Labour


They Lost the election Big Time

It shouldn't be anyone against anyone.
The only right thing to do was carry on doing what was being done for a few extra weeks.

Any decent government,no matter its make up would and should have wanted to do that anyway.

What speaks volumes are those who would want to make political points, as you say this is Con v Lab, by deliberately voting against adding a few extra weeks to this scheme, ordering it to be voted down.

I'm surprised at your stance but never mind there it is I guess, its your stance.

If charities have to take on much more with NO further aid from those in power, then charities will be broken too.

This was a scandalous result of the vote in the Commons.
You yourself said it was sadly lost.

You were right, it was sadly lost and who ensured it was lost.
I leave that for you to work out.

[Jake.]

No Marcus stay in your Sports zone

Why demean someone who’s put so much of his time and effort into doing something positive?

[arista]

Why demean someone who’s put so much of his time and effort into doing something positive?

Because he is causing trouble.

[Liam-]

yeah, and that's not been on display for the rest of the thread

If labour ever decide to vote not to feed hungry children, I’ll rag on them too, however seeing as they haven’t, I can’t quite understand what you want people to say?

[Liam-]

Because he is causing trouble.

Aye, wanting hungry children fed is awful, lock him up

[Liam-]

For a bit of balance for bots :)

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This is a decent Tory, still a Tory, but not as bad as the other Tories.

[Kazanne]

Obviously no child should go without meals, but as usual, this being a predominately labour supporting forum membership, the full story is not being portrayed. It's par for the course unfortunately

Exactly, not really worth giving other opinions as you only get veiled insults.

[Liam-]

So what’s the full story guys? How is any other party also at fault for this decision?

[Kazanne]

So what’s the full story guys? How is any other party also at fault for this decision?

As if you'de even take another sides opinion on board,:laugh:

[Liam-]

As if you'de even take another sides opinion on board,:laugh:

I’m all ears, I love slagging off politicians, who else is to blame?

[Kazanne]

I’m all ears, I love slagging off politicians, who else is to blame?

Oh I can see you do,but only certain politicians:laugh:

[Liam-]

Oh I can see you do,but only certain politicians:laugh:

I criticise politicians from all political parties when they do something wrong or I disagree with them, even the party I vote for, you should try it sometimes, it’s liberating I promise

[Kazanne]

I criticise politicians from all political parties when they do something wrong or I disagree with them, even the party I vote for, you should try it sometimes, it’s liberating I promise


:laugh: I rest my case.

[Ramsay]

So what's the full story I'm dying to know

[Liam-]

[/B]

:laugh: I rest my case.

I mean, you can’t say other people refuse to listen to the other side when you yourself do that exact thing, it’s called projection, I’ll happily criticise the Labour Party and the politicians within, you however have shown no inclination to do anything but blindly follow and support anything the Tories say or do, so maybe have a word with yourself before accusing other people of bias, tah

[Tom4784]

Obviously no child should go without meals, but as usual, this being a predominately labour supporting forum membership, the full story is not being portrayed. It's par for the course unfortunately

By all means, give us the full story that portrays denying children free meals in a better light.

[Tom4784]

For a bit of balance for bots :)

1319205268606025729

This is a decent Tory, still a Tory, but not as bad as the other Tories.

Good on her, at least one of them has a conscience.

I just don't see how anyone could defend this, well actually I can, blind defense of their 'side' is common for people that can't see the forest for the trees. It's just another example of people treating politcs like sport and supporting their 'team' no matter what.

If labour had done this, the same people who are defending this would likely go mental but the difference would be that everyone else who is outraged will still be outraged. I wish people could see beyond their tory tinted glasses.

[Jake.]

As if you'de even take another sides opinion on board,:laugh:

What is the “other side”? Genuinely interested.

[Kazanne]

I mean, you can’t say other people refuse to listen to the other side when you yourself do that exact thing, it’s called projection, I’ll happily criticise the Labour Party and the politicians within, you however have shown no inclination to do anything but blindly follow and support anything the Tories say or do, so maybe have a word with yourself before accusing other people of bias, tah

I have listened, and I have also listened to the other side,there is the difference,and you can say I blindly follow all you like it does not make it true,I dont bother saying much in here now as its absolutely pointless,once again point proven, so enjoy your slagging of at anyone or anything Tory:wavey:

[Kazanne]

What is the “other side”? Genuinely interested.

Someone who doesn't support Labour.:wavey:

[Tom4784]

Someone who doesn't support Labour.:wavey:

So you're supporting Tories regardless of what they do, how sad.

[Jake.]

Someone who doesn't support Labour.:wavey:

I meant side of the argument regarding not providing children with free school meals...

[Liam-]

I meant side of the argument regarding not providing children with free school meals...

‘The other side is essentially, stop being poor and feed your own kids

[Tom4784]

I meant side of the argument regarding not providing children with free school meals...

I don't think she can see things like that. She sees this as Tory defeating Labour and nothing more. **** the children, I guess, when her side is 'winning.'

[The Slim Reaper]

I'm sure the same folks will be singing along to "feed the world, let them know it's Christmas time" when it comes in the radio.

[Liam-]

The ‘stop sending money abroad, look after our own kids first!’ crew are awfully quiet

[joeysteele]

‘The other side is essentially, stop being poor and feed your own kids

That's the only possible other side I agree.

The blanket support for anything no matter how wrong, not just bad, this government does.
Is unbelievable.

Had Labour or Lib Dems or other parties voted against this extra period of free meals for children.
I'd have been joining you to condemn that from them too.

Not just making it a political point.
Plus had the Cons decided to carry this free meal policy on a few weeks and other parties MPs voted it down.

The uproar would have been massive claiming those MPs were heartless.
Plus it would be right to do so.

It is then in the same way right in my view to condemn a heartless unnecessary and cruel act from the government in power.

[Kazanne]

So you're supporting Tories regardless of what they do, how sad.

No,wrong again.

[Kazanne]

I don't think she can see things like that. She sees this as Tory defeating Labour and nothing more. **** the children, I guess, when her side is 'winning.'

:laugh: of course you know best,pfft.

[Kazanne]

I meant side of the argument regarding not providing children with free school meals...

Jake there really is no point in debating in here as some just use it to try and belittle people for having different views.

[Liam-]

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You know you’ve ****ed up when even Nigel Farage can manage to sound like a normal, decent human being

[Jake.]

Jake there really is no point in debating in here as some just use it to try and belittle people for having different views.

Not at all. If you have an opposing opinion on the topic I’d much rather hear it. I don’t understand how anyone could have a counter argument for making sure children get fed, so I’m open to listening to what it is.

[Kazanne]

Not at all. If you have an opposing opinion on the topic I’d much rather hear it. I don’t understand how anyone could have a counter argument for making sure children get fed, so I’m open to listening to what it is.

I will Pm you my thoughts Jake, I know you are very accommodating to others opinions but not everyone is.

[The Slim Reaper]

I will Pm you my thoughts Jake, I know you are very accommodating to others opinions but not everyone is.

Not sure that's fair kaz. I think we'd all like to see what the other side of the argument is, which is what the thread is about. I don't think anyone has got personal with you, unless I've missed it.

[Kazanne]

Not sure that's fair kaz. I think we'd all like to see what the other side of the argument is, which is what the thread is about. I don't think anyone has got personal with you, unless I've missed it.

Oh c'mon Slim,there is a few veiled swipes going on.:wavey:

[Liam-]

Oh c'mon Slim,there is a few veiled swipes going on.:wavey:

You started the personal jibes with me and nobody has been insulting, if you can’t answer the questions just say so, don’t pretend there’s some mission to silence you, Christ alive

[Kazanne]

You started the personal jibes with me and nobody has been insulting, if you can’t answer the questions just say so, don’t pretend there’s some mission to silence you, Christ alive

If you say so, No one silences me,I just prefer to chat with people who are open to others opinions.

[Tom4784]

:laugh: of course you know best,pfft.

Good response, enjoy supporting not giving kids free meals because you consider it a win for your side.

[Tom4784]

If you say so, No one silences me,I just prefer to chat with people who are open to others opinions.

You mean you want an echo chamber where everyone praises you and tells you you're right.

Everyone is allowed an opinion and everyone else is allowed to disagree with that opinion, that is how discussion and debate works.

[The Slim Reaper]

Oh c'mon Slim,there is a few veiled swipes going on.:wavey:

I think the issue, is that everyone is saying there is another side to this,but no one is saying what it is. Everything any of us posts is open to ridicule or counter, but your first post in the thread is agreeing with bots that it's not worth posting it.

So there's this other side of the discussion that a few of you say exists, and yet none of you will present it for fear of having it scrutinised? Just doesn't really make a lot of sense. If you look at the Keir Starmer thread, you'll see me criticising him continually.

[Liam-]

If you say so, No one silences me,I just prefer to chat with people who are open to others opinions.

I asked what the ‘full story’ that was mentioned was, what more do you want? Blood?

[Tom4784]

If no one is willing to present this other side then it probably doesn't exist. If it does, share it with the class.

[Kazanne]

I think the issue, is that everyone is saying there is another side to this,but no one is saying what it is. Everything any of us posts is open to ridicule or counter, but your first post in the thread is agreeing with bots that it's not worth posting it.

So there's this other side of the discussion that a few of you say exists, and yet none of you will present it for fear of having it scrutinised? Just doesn't really make a lot of sense. If you look at the Keir Starmer thread, you'll see me criticising him continually.

I know what you mean ,but everyone has access to the other side besides the tabloids,but seem content to believe the side they fall on, so it's pointless pointing things out that I don't agree with. its so easy to say the government don't want to feed starving children ,really? I don't think that's the case at all ,what would they gain by alienating their voters like that ?

[The Slim Reaper]

I know what you mean ,but everyone has access to the other side besides the tabloids,but seem content to believe the side they fall on, so it's pointless pointing things out that I don't agree with. its so easy to say the government don't want to feed starving children ,really? I don't think that's the case at all ,what would they gain by alienating their voters like that ?

I agree everyone has access to both sides, but the government haven't provided another side as far as I know. You, bots, and a few others habe said there is another side though, so I think we just want to see what it is. Tabloids overwhelmingly favour and are owned by tories, so there really won't be criticism in there.

You ask why a government would alienate their voters, but they happily destroyed communities with Austerity for a decade and still won this past election, so voters are generally like goldfish when it comes to holding governments to account.

[Kazanne]

I agree everyone has access to both sides, but the government haven't provided another side as far as I know. You, bots, and a few others habe said there is another side though, so I think we just want to see what it is. Tabloids overwhelmingly favour and are owned by tories, so there really won't be criticism in there.

You ask why a government would alienate their voters, but they happily destroyed communities with Austerity for a decade and still won this past election, so voters are generally like goldfish when it comes to holding governments to account.

It was debated on JV this morning and they said it will be coming from tax payers money ,and if some people are on a low income they may not be able to afford that, this is why I think the government voted against it so far, that is what I meant by the other side ,to me its not as simple as the government want kids to starve, that's just sensationalism in my view , I really don't think they would let any "kids starve" and some kids that do 'starve' come from families that put material things above their kids . The kids that genuinely need help will get it I'm sure.

[Tom4784]

Oh please, it's not a tax problem. That's an excuse and nothing more and one that wouldn't work had this been a labour government that ruled against this. The tories will give away millions in government contracts to tory backers but spending what would be a trifling amount in comparison to feed children is too much?

Bull****.

[Tom4784]

I don't think kids are starving because their parents are too busy buying ipads, Kazanne... I love how economic woes are blamed on the most vulnerable and not the tories in charge, makes so much sense.

[Liam-]

It was debated on JV this morning and they said it will be coming from tax payers money ,and if some people are on a low income they may not be able to afford that, this is why I think the government voted against it so far, that is what I meant by the other side ,to me its not as simple as the government want kids to starve, that's just sensationalism in my view , I really don't think they would let any "kids starve" and some kids that do 'starve' come from families that put material things above their kids . The kids that genuinely need help will get it I'm sure.

Afford what? They weren’t asking for more taxes, they were asking for it to be done with money the government already has, it would cost us nothing

[Kazanne]

Oh please, it's not a tax problem. That's an excuse and nothing more and one that wouldn't work had this been a labour government that ruled against this. The tories will give away millions in government contracts to tory backers but spending what would be a trifling amount in comparison to feed children is too much?

Bull****.

And you are the epitomy of why its not worth debating on here, bull**** to you too

[Tom4784]

And you are the epitomy of why its not worth debating on here, bull**** to you too

A childish response, if you disagree with what I'm saying then use your brain and come up with reasons why, like what I did with the tax argument.

Stop throwing your toys out of the pram, this is a discussion.

[bots]

those on minimum wage get a top up to help with things. If a parent chooses to prioritise other things to feeding their children then there is a problem.

Splitting out specific items that can be allocated to children etc becomes a bureaucratic nightmare to administer, something that the labour party love to do and the tories don't.

[Liam-]

I wondered how long it would take to get to the ‘they’ve got iPhones and sky!!’ portion of the poor bashing

[The Slim Reaper]

It was debated on JV this morning and they said it will be coming from tax payers money ,and if some people are on a low income they may not be able to afford that, this is why I think the government voted against it so far, that is what I meant by the other side ,to me its not as simple as the government want kids to starve, that's just sensationalism in my view , I really don't think they would let any "kids starve" and some kids that do 'starve' come from families that put material things above their kids . The kids that genuinely need help will get it I'm sure.

They wouldn't be taking extra tax to pay for the meals, so the people on low incomes would be unaffected by their tax paying things like this. In fact, the free meals for kids are designed to help people on low/no incomes.

The whole idea was to feed kids who would normally receive free school meals, so I'm not sure there is a difference between those already receiving free meals, and those that "genuinely need it", because if they're already receiving free meals, then they already genuinely need it.


I mean, we've seen with universal credit that people have and are starving to death - the evidence is out there. Boris Johnson has repeatedly called those on benefits, "scroungers" and "a waste of taxpayer money". So I'm sorry, we have the evidence of Johnsons own words.

The tories are handing out PPE contracts to their friends/donors, worth billions. These contracts aren't being tendered out so competition drives prices lower and finds the best suited companies to manage it, they're just given out like presents. I think a lot of anger is directed and the lack of care for taxpayer money when it's to see their donors right, but when the actual tax payers need something, then suddenly they remember that "magic money trees" don't exist.

[Tom4784]

those on minimum wage get a top up to help with things. If a parent chooses to prioritise other things to feeding their children then there is a problem.

Splitting out specific items that can be allocated to children etc becomes a bureaucratic nightmare to administer, something that the labour party love to do and the tories don't.

That is naïve, and it's just another attempt to lay blame on the poor instead of those that have run the economy into the ground time and time again. Instead of laying blame with the vulnerable, perhaps you should look up and realise that it's not rain pouring down on us but the piss of tories profiting from the public blaming those 'below' them and not those above.

Keeping food on the table is a costly thing, especially in a system rigged against the poor like ours is. To assume that people are in the positions they are because of their own mistakes is just ignorant. Things are more complicated then 'Oh, they obviously spend their money on material goods so it's obviously their fault they can't feed their children.'

[Nicky91]

It was debated on JV this morning and they said it will be coming from tax payers money ,and if some people are on a low income they may not be able to afford that, this is why I think the government voted against it so far, that is what I meant by the other side ,to me its not as simple as the government want kids to starve, that's just sensationalism in my view , I really don't think they would let any "kids starve" and some kids that do 'starve' come from families that put material things above their kids . The kids that genuinely need help will get it I'm sure.

those families who put material things over their own children are just selfish

:umm2:

[Kizzy]

It was debated on JV this morning and they said it will be coming from tax payers money ,and if some people are on a low income they may not be able to afford that, this is why I think the government voted against it so far, that is what I meant by the other side ,to me its not as simple as the government want kids to starve, that's just sensationalism in my view , I really don't think they would let any "kids starve" and some kids that do 'starve' come from families that put material things above their kids . The kids that genuinely need help will get it I'm sure.

Explain people on low incomes not being able to afford it...nobody is having their bank account raided :/

Everyone working for an employer is PAYE so your tax is proportional to your income. Essentially all government money is public money, and if my monthly income tax were to be used to help underprivileged children in this country I would be immensely proud.

[Cherie]

I don’t think the way it has been done up to now is the answer, vouchers are too easily spent on nutrition poor food, they could give the cash to a meals on wheels type business who can deliver the meals chosen by the child or the parent at the beginning of each holiday week

[Nicky91]

also what puzzles me for a long time too, how come if you are poor, you can't seem to afford food on the table, but many poor all have their own iPhones :skull:

[Tom4784]

I wondered how long it would take to get to the ‘they’ve got iPhones and sky!!’ portion of the poor bashing

It's honestly terrifying how loyal people are to the tories. Boris could walk into someone's house, take a **** on their kids and the parents would probably stand up and clap.

We've been under tory rule for well over a decade now, you'd think the public would have realised that things have only gotten worse under tory rule, not better but that would be giving them too much credit.

[The Slim Reaper]

https://i.pinimg.com/474x/9c/89/3f/9c893fbc9f4503fc6542e5795c492c92.jpg

[Nicky91]

https://i.pinimg.com/474x/9c/89/3f/9c893fbc9f4503fc6542e5795c492c92.jpg

says the one who has made sure this same working class is gonna terribly suffer next year

[Kizzy]

I don’t think the way it has been done up to now is the answer, vouchers are too easily spent on nutrition poor food, they could give the cash to a meals on wheels type business who can deliver the meals chosen by the child or the parent at the beginning of each holiday week

Can you imaginexplain the stigma for children if that were a reality? 'Oh look, there's Kylie waiting for the free food van! LOL!!' Silly idea.
However, I do agree that the vouchers should not be able to be spent on everything in store, only food items.

[Kizzy]

They've played a blinder tbh.. if you take into consideration the tier 3 restrictions coming into effect across the country, if households have to take a 33% cut in income how many more of those just about managing families will be pushed below the poverty line and their kids become eligible for a free school meal?

It's going to be a very long, very hard winter. I'd keep an eye on the infant mortality rates because decisions like this have an impact and consequences.

But us taxpayers shouldn't have to worry about that...should we?

[arista]

So you're supporting Tories regardless of what they do, how sad.


Look, there is nothing wrong with backing the winners.


Kaz has rights

[Cherie]

Can you imaginexplain the stigma for children if that were a reality? 'Oh look, there's Kylie waiting for the free food van! LOL!!' Silly idea.
However, I do agree that the vouchers should not be able to be spent on everything in store, only food items.

There are companies out there who do it already ...Gousto for example, no one is saying they will be delivered by the free food van...Amazon delivers food ...as do Deliveroo...etc...M and S and Morrisons already do food boxes so its not a stretch to have a food box delivered anonymously especially in 2020 when everyone has regular deliveries

[Cherie]

Look, there is nothing wrong with backing the winners.


Kaz has rights

:joker:

[Tom4784]

Look, there is nothing wrong with backing the winners.


Kaz has rights

She's free to vote for whoever she wants but it's sad to support a party that sees her and anyone who isn't a millionaire as trash.

[Kazanne]

I don't know where people live to never have seen kids in rags and running wild, while their parents are fagging it ,looking on their smartphones waiting for a 62" TV to be delivered !!These are the ones that spoil it for the genuine cases. Those that are genuine should get help and they will, the others are just lazy arses and their kids suffer through them no one else.

[Liam-]

Okay, so if that does happen and parents are buying luxuries rather than feeding their children, why should the government abandon them? It’s not the kids faults it’s happening, that makes them even more cruel in my eyes

That being said, the lazy, good for nothing, smoking, iPhone buying, holiday taking, alcohol drinking parents are in such an obvious minority, that it’s used as a boogeyman as an excuse for the government to shirk their responsibilities and paint poor people in a bad light in the process.

[arista]

I don't know where people live to never have seen kids in rags and running wild, while their parents are fagging it ,looking on their smartphones waiting for a 62" TV to be delivered !!These are the ones that spoil it for the genuine cases. Those that are genuine should get help and they will, the others are just lazy arses and their kids suffer through them no one else.


Valid Points

[Cherie]

There are companies out there who do it already ...Gousto for example, no one is saying they will be delivered by the free food van...Amazon delivers food ...as do Deliveroo...etc...M and S and Morrisons already do food boxes so its not a stretch to have a food box delivered anonymously especially in 2020 when everyone has regular deliveries

I think I will pitch this to Rishi


I could make the new years honours :amazed:

Arese Dame Cherie of Teeeb

Thank you ma’am :hee:

[The Slim Reaper]

I think I will pitch this to Rishi


I could make the new years honours :amazed:

Arese Dame Cherie the Dweeeb

Thank you ma’am :hee:

Fixed. :smug:

[Cherie]

Fixed. :smug:

:oh:

[Scarlett.]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ek8Tw2YVMAEAWJK?format=jpg&name=small

[Marsh.]

I don't know where people live to never have seen kids in rags and running wild, while their parents are fagging it ,looking on their smartphones waiting for a 62" TV to be delivered !!These are the ones that spoil it for the genuine cases. Those that are genuine should get help and they will, the others are just lazy arses and their kids suffer through them no one else.

Where does this happen? Apart from in the fictional stories of those looking to demonise people worse off than themselves?

I love how a 62 inch TV seemingly pays for daily school meals for a full year.

[joeysteele]

Well it's learned a little of where the other side comes from doesn't it on this thread.

For me it was a simple choice this.

The government already had this in place except for school holiday periods.
This bill was to extend it those few weeks then to hopefully ensure children that needed it, got at least a good meal a day.
Even during school holidays.

Frankly, it's surprising it didn't originally cover the holiday periods anyway to me.

So there it is.
For me, any MP, I don't care from whatever party, who wouldn't then support this.
In my view are cruel and wrong bigtime.

The fact it's Con MPs who did speaks volumes about their warped, discriminatory and selfish thinking.

Personally I've no time for a single MP who voted this down or for that matter for anyone who supports them doing so either.

It's simply petty, wrong and disgraceful.
In my view.

[arista]

Slim digging up his Youth of 1995
typical posting from you.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ek8Tw2YVMAEAWJK?format=jpg&name=small


Back in that day
all was Dandy.

[Marsh.]

Back in that day
all was Dandy.

Well that's.... wildly incorrect.

[arista]

Well that's.... wildly incorrect.


All and Dandy
for Officers of the Sea.

[Marsh.]

All and Dandy
for Officers of the Sea.

*checks thread title*

Sure thing, arista.

[The Slim Reaper]

Slim digging up his Youth of 1995
typical posting from you.

It's almost like politicians should be accountable for the things they've said.

[Withano]

Tories hate hungry children and I’m not even surprised lol

I haven’t read the thread yet, but it’s several pages long. Please don’t tell me that the usual suspects are defending this **** with a daily mail verbatim swing.

[Withano]

Obviously no child should go without meals, but as usual, this being a predominately labour supporting forum membership, the full story is not being portrayed. It's par for the course unfortunately

Exactly, not really worth giving other opinions as you only get veiled insults.

Either of you wanna add further than LALALALA YOURE LABOUR NOT LISTENING LALALALA? Enlighten the forum. Give this ****ing horrid seeming story the positive swing it deserves.

[Withano]

Just read the thread.

Poor people can’t afford tax (are we getting a tax deduction because of this?) but could afford seven meals a week for each of their children because that’s cheaper?!? is the best defence so far

That’s not washing with me and I’m saddened it would wash with anybody else in the entire world.

Any other defences?

[arista]

It's almost like politicians should be accountable for the things they've said.


Yes so long as you Date it.


But what he said in 1995
is worthless to his prime minister level.

[The Slim Reaper]

Yes so long as you Date it.


But what he said in 1995
is worthless to his prime minister level.

No it isn't, it sets out his worldview. Has anyone ever said that Mein Kampf isn't relevant to when Hitler became Fuhrer?

[arista]

No it isn't, it sets out his worldview. Has anyone ever said that Mein Kampf isn't relevant to when Hitler became Fuhrer?


No that was like a Bible to Hitler.
Trust you to Drag the Hitler
into this thread.



The Prime Minister
is older now
nothing like the Cheeky chappy of 1995.

Today he made sure
workers got more help.

[The Slim Reaper]

No that was like a Bible to Hitler.
Trust you to Drag the Hitler
into this thread.



The Prime Minister
is older now
nothing like the Cheeky chappy of 1995.

Today he made sure
workers got more help.

You should read the tibb on ice dedication week. I dedicated my song to you with a poem.

[Parmy]

Would the kids be going into school to eat them? If not how would it work?

[joeysteele]

No that was like a Bible to Hitler.
Trust you to Drag the Hitler
into this thread.



The Prime Minister
is older now
nothing like the Cheeky chappy of 1995.

Today he made sure
workers got more help.

That's still his likely real thinking.
In my view, Johnson is not a man with any decency whatsoever.
Nor respect.

[Cherie]

Would the kids be going into school to eat them? If not how would it work?

It already happened in the 6 week holidays courtesy of Marcus Rashford they got vouchers to spend in supermarkets

[arista]

It already happened in the 6 week holidays courtesy of Marcus Rashford they got vouchers to spend in supermarkets


Yes they gave into his demands.


But now they must use their Benefits

[Oliver_W]

Yes they gave into his demands.


But now they must use their Benefits

So non-privileged families who probably struggle all year round should spend even more of their money?

Why shouldn't they get all year round help to feed their kids?

[joeysteele]

Sadly Labour has lost this vote

Ayes :261
Noes :322


Majority:61


arista I'm confused.

If you think the CON MPs now were right to vote against this.
May I ask you, (of course ignore my question if you wish, I've no right to ask it), why did you say the above after the vote?.

You're usually consistent yet now seem to agree with the government.
So I'm confused by your stance now.

[Marsh.]

tories hate hungry children and i’m not even surprised lol

i haven’t read the thread yet, but it’s several pages long. Please don’t tell me that the usual suspects are defending this **** with a daily mail verbatim swing.

people own televisions!!!!

[user104658]

Where does this happen? Apart from in the fictional stories of those looking to demonise people worse off than themselves?



I love how a 62 inch TV seemingly pays for daily school meals for a full year.To be faaiiirrrrrr school dinners are only £2 a day so like < £500/year which would be less than a telleh that big.

It is, of course, not really the point (and most with school age kids have more than one).

[joeysteele]

people own televisions!!!!

However do they buy those TVs.
I for instance changed my TV and GAVE, not bragging here, gave my other one to a family I knew were struggling.

I'd guess those who condemn people for having modern TVs because they're supposed to be poor.
Don't think as to how they got said TV.

Assuming they were just ALL splashing out with any benefits or from their very low wages on only luxuries.

Never thinking they may be paying weekly either over long periods for them.
It would seem to some, the poor should sit with nothing in their lives.
If they're begrudged a TV.

If they're not begrudging things to the poorest, why mention those things at all.
I don't call TV a luxury anyway, I consider it an essential for families or people living alone.

That's what I don't understand.

[Jake.]

https://twitter.com/avasantina/status/1319214580703309829?s=21

I don’t see how this can’t put things into perspective..

[Marsh.]

However do they buy those TVs.
I for instance changed my TV and GAVE, not bragging here, gave my other one to a family I knew were struggling.

I'd guess those who condemn people for having modern TVs because they're supposed to be poor.
Don't think as to how they got said TV.

Assuming they were just ALL splashing out with any benefits or from their very low wages on only luxuries.

Never thinking they may be paying weekly either over long periods for them.
It would seem to some, the poor should sit with nothing in their lives.
If they're begrudged a TV.

If they're not begrudging things to the poorest, why mention those things at all.
I don't call TV a luxury anyway, I consider it an essential for families or people living alone.

That's what I don't understand.

100% Joey.

It's spouted by out of touch people, or people who don't have the skills to actually critically think about what they're saying.

[Liam-]

‘Why should we fund hospitals? Parents can treat their own kids injuries, lazy scroungers!’

[Kizzy]

I think I will pitch this to Rishi


I could make the new years honours :amazed:

Arese Dame Cherie of Teeeb

Thank you ma’am :hee:
They'll laugh in your face, do you really think morrybobs has enough vans to deliver millions of school meals as well as their regular orders?

[Tom4784]

The only thing that's truly been established from people trying to defend the tories is that this is indefensible, but this whole debacle has made it crystal clear that tories and their supporters lack empathy and make up for it in vindictiveness. 'Grr, look at those people who DARE be worse off than me! We should make their lives harder! Not easier!'

Disgusting.

[Kizzy]

Obviously no child should go without meals, but as usual, this being a predominately labour supporting forum membership, the full story is not being portrayed. It's par for the course unfortunately

Hold the phone...I missed this.

What is the full story?... I'm all ears.

[Cherie]

They'll laugh in your face, do you really think morrybobs has enough vans to deliver millions of school meals as well as their regular orders?

They are partnered with Amazon ...keep up, and I wasn’t suggesting just one company be involved :idc: the Damehood is mine ...grovel at my knees :hee:

[arista]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/177C1/production/_115039169_mirror-nc.png

[arista]

arista I'm confused.

If you think the CON MPs now were right to vote against this.
May I ask you, (of course ignore my question if you wish, I've no right to ask it), why did you say the above after the vote?.

You're usually consistent yet now seem to agree with the government.
So I'm confused by your stance now.


I was reporting the numbers as they came on their screen
on Parliament TV.

No confusion.

[arista]

https://twitter.com/avasantina/status/1319214580703309829?s=21

I don’t see how this can’t put things into perspective..


https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/A855/production/_115039034_6126139a-f3c9-4a84-b669-26fa9aa951fe.png

[AnnieK]

There are a number of bars, restaurants and cafes near me that are offering free kids meals next week during half term. They have just been landed in Tier 3 but are still willing to take the hit to ensure our kids get fed. Most are offering it with an adult paid meal but there are some who have said that no purchase is necessary, just let them know and they will provide a meal. So nice that human kindness does exist outside of the Government.

[Ammi]

There are a number of bars, restaurants and cafes near me that are offering free kids meals next week during half term. They have just been landed in Tier 3 but are still willing to take the hit to ensure our kids get fed. Most are offering it with an adult paid meal but there are some who have said that no purchase is necessary, just let them know and they will provide a meal. So nice that human kindness does exist outside of the Government.

...I was just thinking about restaurant etc businesses who aren’t able to open and children’s meals and the possible marrying together, so that’s lovely...:lovedup:..human kindness from those who are struggling so much themselves financially with their business losses...sadly our government chose to pass their children’s responsibility onto others less fortunate ...sign of the times as they say...

[joeysteele]

I was reporting the numbers as they came on their screen
on Parliament TV.

No confusion.

Indeed you did.
However my confusion is from you now seeming to support the government voting it down.

With your word of it sadly being defeated.

I was sad it was defeated too..
However I'm not now advocating the government was right to do so.

Fair enough anyway arista.

[Oliver_W]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/A855/production/_115039034_6126139a-f3c9-4a84-b669-26fa9aa951fe.png

Those prices are amazing, I wonder if they're open to the public lol

But yeah, they're meals being subbed when they get paid so much is just another example of stupid wasteful spending when people in need are left out...

[joeysteele]

Obscene really.

Remove the subsidy for them and feed the children I'd say.

This to me, makes the Con MPs voting against that bill, even more wrong and hypocritical too.
Allowing themselves this, at this time is the wrong message to send to most of the Nation.

Would be good too, to hear MPs of other parties condemning this too.
Plus looking to change it even temporarily.

[Cherie]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/A855/production/_115039034_6126139a-f3c9-4a84-b669-26fa9aa951fe.png

alluding to this would have been far more effective in any argument, so why has it not been done

[bots]

alluding to this would have been far more effective in any argument, so why has it not been done

because the labour MP's who also receive this subsidy don't want to lose it

[Oliver_W]

alluding to this would have been far more effective in any argument, so why has it not been done

I've not been following beyond the headlines but I wonder if they were taking emotional approaches rather than factual ones?

[Cherie]

because the labour MP's who also receive this subsidy don't want to lose it

exactly, happy to shout scum though!

[Cherie]

I've not been following beyond the headlines but I wonder if they were taking emotional approaches rather than factual ones?

Not really followed it either, but yes I suppose you can describe it as emotional :laugh:

[Ammi]

...I think it’s less about the subsided lunch menu as a stand alone thing...(...for me anyway...)...and more about the MP’s who voted no to children’s lunches effectively being subsidised by the government, while enjoying their lunch menu...a no to the children and a yes please to us...

[Niamh.]

...I think it’s less about the subsided lunch menu as a stand alone thing...(...for me anyway...)...and more about the MP’s who voted no to children’s lunches effectively being subsidised by the government, while enjoying their lunch menu...a no to the children and a yes please to us...

Isn't that always the way? Politicians are such hypocrites (most of them anyway)

[The Slim Reaper]

because the labour MP's who also receive this subsidy don't want to lose it

The main story in this this whole issue has nothing to do with feeding kids, but labour mp's in a country where they have zero power to do anything. Thanks for being a true patriot and pointing this out.

[Ammi]

Isn't that always the way? Politicians are such hypocrites (most of them anyway)

...yeah, they are...(...as are all of us really to varying degrees...)...it’s more being astounded at what they’d just voted for...to not provide budgeting for lunch budgeting for those children who will eventually become voters themselves...I can’t imagine anyone, whatever their occupation voting in such an I’m alright Jack, type of way...)...when these are children they’re voting against feeding...

[Parmy]

It already happened in the 6 week holidays courtesy of Marcus Rashford they got vouchers to spend in supermarkets

It's not school meals then.

[arista]

...I think it’s less about the subsided lunch menu as a stand alone thing...(...for me anyway...)...and more about the MP’s who voted no to children’s lunches effectively being subsidised by the government, while enjoying their lunch menu...a no to the children and a yes please to us...



Yes,you are right, but the Menu for posh MP's
is for the poor folk (plebs) to read on that scatty paper

[The Slim Reaper]

1319477333842120704

[arista]

Those prices are amazing, I wonder if they're open to the public lol

But yeah, they're meals being subbed when they get paid so much is just another example of stupid wasteful spending when people in need are left out...



If you are a guest of an MP
you can have a meal.

[arista]

1319477333842120704




Yes do not
Call an MP Scum


Thats illegal

[joeysteele]

...I think it’s less about the subsided lunch menu as a stand alone thing...(...for me anyway...)...and more about the MP’s who voted no to children’s lunches effectively being subsidised by the government, while enjoying their lunch menu...a no to the children and a yes please to us...

Exactly and it's noticeable how it's avoided that ONLY the Cons voted against that bill either.
It was an opposition bill to grant free meals to children.

However, we of Labour.only get accused of making political points.
Unbelievable.

Actually however, I stated in my post that MPs of ALL , yes ALL, Parties should look to even temporarily wanting this subsidy halted.

It doesn't and cannot change however which Party and its MPs who killed this bill.
Amazing how it will never be ceased to be attempted to condemn only Labour, I'm sure the Green, Irish, PC, SlNP and Lib Dems also take advantage of this subsidy too.

Nothing said about them however, only Labour.
Unbelievable.

[arista]

See Ammi
Help is on the way


https://twitter.com/hashtag/FreeSchoolMeals?src=hashtag_click

1319582912900104192

[arista]

A great Free meal
up to Ammi's standardhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElAK-ZYWkAAmwdl?format=jpg&name=large

[Nicky91]

i'd say give Jamie Oliver a call to help out about school lunches problem (i mean he did do this before too, for children to eat healthier, so he can help out again i think)

and yes i saw he had retweeted Marcus Rashford's message

[The Slim Reaper]

Charity shouldn't supersede government, and the fact this has been normalised is a testament to the cruelty of the government, and folks like Arista who think poor people suffering is acceptable, just like people dying so they get their brexit is acceptable - as long as it's not him.

There were about 50-60 foodbanks in the UK when the tories got back in to power. Today there are thousands.

[arista]

Charity shouldn't supersede government, and the fact this has been normalised is a testament to the cruelty of the government, and folks like Arista who think poor people suffering is acceptable, just like people dying so they get their brexit is acceptable - as long as it's not him.

There were about 50-60 foodbanks in the UK when the tories got back in to power. Today there are thousands.


Look Slim
it's all we have

[The Slim Reaper]

Look Slim
it's all we have

No it isn't Arista, it's a choice. The tories have brought us here; we didn't magically arrive and no one has any idea why or how it happened. Austerity started it, this is the continuation.

[arista]

No it isn't Arista, it's a choice. The tories have brought us here; we didn't magically arrive and no one has any idea why or how it happened. Austerity started it, this is the continuation.


Sure that was to End
but then China's Covid-19 took over the World


And the Choice was the General Election (Dec 2019)
Labour Failed 100%

[The Slim Reaper]

Sure that was to End
but then China's Covid-19 took over the World


And the Choice was the General Election (Dec 2019)
Labour Failed 100%

That's my point - the cruelty of the population voted for a party they knew decimated services for poor people, in order to protect the interests of the super wealthy. English people are fine with cruelty, as long as there's a bogeyman to blame.

It's who we are, and who we'll always be unfortunately.

[arista]

That's my point - the cruelty of the population voted for a party they knew decimated services for poor people, in order to protect the interests of the super wealthy. English people are fine with cruelty, as long as there's a bogeyman to blame.

It's who we are, and who we'll always be unfortunately.


No in December 2019
the public had no idea China's Covid-19 was on the way.


Blame China

[The Slim Reaper]

No in December 2019
the public had no idea China's Covid-19 was on the way.


Blame China

What did I just say about accepting cruelty, as long as there is a bogeyman to blame?

Your post above 100% proves my point bang on. The crazy thing, is that you keep updating you bogeymen threads everyday without any self awareness.

[Kizzy]

That's my point - the cruelty of the population voted for a party they knew decimated services for poor people, in order to protect the interests of the super wealthy. English people are fine with cruelty, as long as there's a bogeyman to blame.

It's who we are, and who we'll always be unfortunately.

Exactly, the folk devil has long been a devisive tool of social control, make people fear something as a threat to their family or job and they'll agree with any measures imposed to
Without question.

We needed more Mc Cains, tories who understood the implications of this vote to rebel that would send a message as to how harsh this is.
We need a famous u turn, who knows it may happen?

[UserSince2005]

give the poor buggers gruel.

[Kazanne]

Does it really matter where the food comes from ? as long as these kids are fed ,besides it saves all the food waste in this country, so much food is surplus why not give it those that need it?

[UserSince2005]

Does it really matter where the food comes from ? as long as these kids are fed ,besides it saves all the food waste in this country, so much food is surplus why not give it those that need it?

Could you imagine the press if the food is Michelin star quality.

[arista]

Another one
Ammi.

Free School Meals in Devon.


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[Liam-]

For those saying that their aim isn’t for kids to go hungry

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[The Slim Reaper]

Exactly, the folk devil has long been a devisive tool of social control, make people fear something as a threat to their family or job and they'll agree with any measures imposed to
Without question.

We needed more Mc Cains, tories who understood the implications of this vote to rebel that would send a message as to how harsh this is.
We need a famous u turn, who knows it may happen?

Reasonable tories were purged last year in Johnsons brexit purge.

[arista]

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[The Slim Reaper]

Does it really matter where the food comes from ? as long as these kids are fed ,besides it saves all the food waste in this country, so much food is surplus why not give it those that need it?

It does, actually, because the most basic duty of a government is to protect it's citizens, not starve them unless local businesses and charities pick up the slack. The government today have awarded another PPE contract worth hundreds of millions, to a Miami fashion accessory designer.

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[The Slim Reaper]

So here's another example. The good law project had to take the issue to court, in order to force the government to collect £1.5 billion in VAT from Uber. These are the people the government are trying to protect, whist kids go hungry.

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[Kizzy]

These are the things that should be front page news..why isn't it?

[Oliver_W]

Could you imagine the press if the food is Michelin star quality.

Hopefully it'd be saying "lucky them!" That's a phrase not often associated with the disadvantaged.

[arista]

These are the things that should be front page news..why isn't it?


It is on 2 Papers
Mirror and the Star,

[Dogeatdog]

i'd say give Jamie Oliver a call to help out about school lunches problem (i mean he did do this before too, for children to eat healthier, so he can help out again i think)

and yes i saw he had retweeted Marcus Rashford's message

Oh hell no :laugh: if anything he put kids off healthy eating in my opinion. We can’t let this generation suffer through the **** school meals he provided back in the 00’s. That ‘Pasta King’ ****e we got served back in school was foul.

[The Slim Reaper]

It is on 2 Papers
Mirror and the Star,

What do those papers have in common (apart from being comics)? Neither is owned by tories.

[Oliver_W]

What do those papers have in common (apart from being comics)? Neither is owned by tories.

Please don't insult comics :(

[The Slim Reaper]

Please don't insult comics :(

Fair point.

[Kizzy]

What do those papers have in common (apart from being comics)? Neither is owned by tories.

Comics they may be but at it seems they're the most reliable (widely circulated) news source we have. :/

[Oliver_W]

Comics they may be but at it seems they're the most reliable (widely circulated) news source we have. :/

eh Private Eye is the way forward. No overt bias, takes the piss out of everyone, not in the pocket of anyone...

[Kizzy]

eh Private Eye is the way forward. No overt bias, takes the piss out of everyone, not in the pocket of anyone...

Private eye isn't a newspaper... :/

[Oliver_W]

Private eye isn't a newspaper... :/

It's a news source though :shrug:

[The Slim Reaper]

How it started

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How it's going

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[Parmy]

If local communities come together like they used to then this can be covered and also build moral in the communities to come together to beat this virus..

A good decision and hopefully a wise one

[Cherie]

How it started

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How it's going

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:laugh2:

[Kizzy]

It's a news source though :shrug:

It's not, it's political satire.

[reece(:]

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[Kizzy]

If local communities come together like they used to then this can be covered and also build moral in the communities to come together to beat this virus..

A good decision and hopefully a wise one

There were already families pushed into food poverty with those who could help donating to food banks. With a 33% cut in wages who's going to help those that were helping? And what's going to happen to those who were being helped?

It''s a rubbish unwise decision that hopefully he'll backtrack on as soon as the implications of what he's done are spelt out to him.

[Brother Leon]

Incredibly proud of Marcus. Shame there’s no crowds because he deserves to be shown appreciation by everyone around the country for his efforts. The less said about this pathetic and evil government the better.

[Oliver_W]

It's not, it's political satire.

Satirizing current political events.

[Kizzy]

Satirizing current political events.

Satire isn't news...

[Oliver_W]

Satire isn't news...

They're not making things up, they still cover what actually happens :shrug: it's better than drudging through the Mail or Guardian...

[Liam-]

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But of course they were just being cautious with money, that’s the same Tory MP that suggested unemployed people should be sterilised, but no, they definitely don’t have a bitter contempt for the lower classes and their offspring

[Kizzy]

They're not making things up, they still cover what actually happens :shrug: it's better than drudging through the Mail or Guardian...

They still put a spin on the facts ...a satirical one. I'm bored of trying to explain why these aren't news. It's not better it's just a different. Spitting image is covering what's happening politically is that news? :/

[Kizzy]

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But of course they were just being cautious with money, that’s the same Tory MP that suggested unemployed people should be sterilised, but no, they definitely don’t have a bitter contempt for the lower classes and their offspring

Wow he just shot himself in the foot there... haven't we had 10yrs of tory rule? Where's the safeguarding been that's allowed kids to be raised in crack dens and brothels?
Where are the police in this crime ridden city? Why are these parents who can't read not being supported?... it's stats like that that prove beyond doubt austerity has failed so well done Ben! !

[Withano]

Does it really matter where the food comes from ? as long as these kids are fed ,besides it saves all the food waste in this country, so much food is surplus why not give it those that need it?

Why are you happy about this idgi.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Kizzy]

Shame it's always on the public to step up when failed by our government. ..but we won't vote for change so we don't have a choice do we?

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

Shame it's always on the public to step up when failed by our government. ..but we won't vote for change so we don't have a choice do we?

It's good the public do Kizzy.

However it's annoying that it's clear it's needed, yet while this rotten and heartless government ignore and vote down the help that's needed.
That there's anyone that would support them in that.

Even at this time in a pandemic with all its uncertainty, still there they are, those who are happy to support the cruelty of this particular government.

Because no other government would have got away with it.
The media themselves would have splashed over their front pages, likely the photos and names of any MPs denying children this.

I despair for England.
Where a strong number, not an absolute majority are able to inflict such a detestable and cruel government on all Nations of the UK.
It's grossly wrong and this broken political system needs to be rid of it's unrepresentative outcomes, which should be unacceptable in any decent democracy.

[Glenn.]

Then headlines are surreal as ****.

Shame on anyone defending this decision.

[arista]

Then headlines are surreal as ****.

Shame on anyone defending this decision.


Its OK
loads of People and Charities are helping

[Glenn.]

Its OK
loads of People and Charities are helping

They shouldn’t have to...

[Ammi]

...this was the ‘Great’ we were aiming for, was it....to make us great again in a way that one young man can be more of a shining example of humankind than our complete Government made up of elected representatives ...when our school children are asked who their heroes are...the face of Marcus Rashford will be what they see and think of...the public and charities are only ‘helping’ because the government have failed our children....and it isn’t ‘helpful’ to feed a child, it’s essential...In relying on others, ‘others’ won’t always be able to be relied on because ‘others’ are losing incomes as well or having them reduced and that’s going to impact on charities also...knowing there are people already only having a percentage of their income, we’re okay with that percentage being reduced still further to help the children that the government won’t ..I have no idea why it was so ‘essential’ to leave the EU to save all of this money to ‘help our own’ in the ways that ‘our own’ needed help...only to say, well hang on, what about the charities...what about someone else, anybody else but not us...

...the governing body of shame...Marcus Rashford, though..:lovedup:...his picture drawn under the heading of HERO in many schools/classrooms...

[Cherie]

Great to see the country rallying round :love:

[joeysteele]

Then headlines are surreal as ****.

Shame on anyone defending this decision.

I agree.

It is shameful.
It should be really infuriating that an elected government would even think of voting this down, never mind actually do so.

Defence of them can be dressed up all they like and by their supporters unbelievably.
With everything they say it's always taken out of context yet these MPs never seem to think before they speak even going forwards.

It was a callous, heartless act by all those CONSERVATIVE MPs who voted against this.

Yes, it's wonderful to see Councils and businesses doing this and individuals.

However that should never let this rotten and cold heartless government off the hook on this at all.
Those who do ....... well actually I'd best leave it there.

It was a cold, unnecessary and heartless act by the government which shows their real hard-line and lack of decent thought.
Pure and simply.

[Liam-]

This is why they keep doing awful things like this, because they know there are good people out there that won’t allow their cruel, callous actions to affect the most vulnerable, especially children, it shouldn’t be down to the public to use their own money to do something we pay tax for, it’s a disgrace