why arent we using the 40,000 new hospital beds?

[utopianman]

Why has the UK have built up over 40,000 new field hospital beds, that cost the tax payer billions, yet to date none of them are being used? Shouldnt these hospitals be used as covid quarantine hospitals to keep the covid out of our main hospitals?

This would surely help protect patients NHS staff and nurses from catching it in the main hospitals too. Thus allowing more of the other hospital procedures and operations to continue. There is also the issue of 1 million plus unused volunteers who offered help. Surely they too could be utilised in some ways? transportation, cleaning cooking etc

It must feel like playing russian roulette for hospital staff atm knowing the covid is rife throught the hospitals. This would give them peace of mind knowing the covid is elsewhere and will reduce the amount of staff on self isolation and sickness

This is one way China defeated the virus.
Why arent we doing the same?

[Nicky91]

because coronavirus is a hoax

[Cherie]

because coronavirus is a hoax

:joker:

[user104658]

They don't have the staff for them. Is the short answer.

Volunteers are all well and good but you still need enough experienced, trained personnel to run and staff these places properly and, thanks to a decade of Tory under-funding, we just don't have them. They could open a dozen new hospitals... Totally pointless without the staff.

[Tom4784]

Ah, it's been a while since we had a russian bot.

[utopianman]

They don't have the staff for them. Is the short answer.

Volunteers are all well and good but you still need enough experienced, trained personnel to run and staff these places properly and, thanks to a decade of Tory under-funding, we just don't have them. They could open a dozen new hospitals... Totally pointless without the staff.

simply transfer some limited staff from the main hospitals. The main hospitals will be far less busy anyway if all covid patients are transferred to the new field hospitals, plus we will see far fewer staff off sick and infected or self isolating. If we take all covid out fo the main hospitals. This is a no brainer and should have happened 6 months ago like it did in china

[bots]

we simply don't need the beds yet, the nightingale has been re-opened in Manchester in case it is needed

[Tom4784]

Don't respond to this guy seriously, he's just spouting pro china propaganda.

[Scarlett.]

Ah, a new poster to a Big Brother forum, whose first posts are made in Serious Debates.

Seems legit.

[arista]

Ah, a new poster to a Big Brother forum, whose first posts are made in Serious Debates.

Seems legit.


Is it an old poster?

[Glenn.]

Chuff, ha return?

[Jack_]

Why are you typing like the truth?

[Parmy]

Is it an old poster?

We need a poll of our elderly members see who tibb thinks it is.

I'm 50..surely I can make the poll..

How do you make a poll?
How do you find out whose old?

[user104658]

Chuff, ha return?Why are you typing like the truth?Or... Brillo? :omgno:

[Parmy]

Or... Brillo? :omgno:

Gosh.:dance:

[Cherie]

Chuff wouldn't return if she was paid to, so it's not Chuffly :hee:

[Parmy]

Chuff wouldn't return if she was paid to, so it's not Chuffly :hee:

Right, I'm buying 200 quid worth off lottery tickets at the end of the month..probably euro millions..

Let's see eh.:smug:

[Jack_]

Or... Brillo? :omgno:

Nah, not enough of these: - and !

[Tom4784]

It's just a random propaganda thing, we used to delete these all the time when I was modding. You can tell because in both of their posts, they were saying that we should handle things like China did.

Most of the time they were just russian bots and users posting fake news.

[Saph]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/pmswear2.jpg?strip=all&w=384

[James]

It's just a random propaganda thing, we used to delete these all the time when I was modding. You can tell because in both of their posts, they were saying that we should handle things like China did.

Most of the time they were just russian bots and users posting fake news.

It doesn't look (from what I can check) like it is one of those accounts.

[user104658]

It can't be Truth because they didn't claim that Covid is actually a misandrist conspiracy started by evil women.

[Tom4784]

It doesn't look (from what I can check) like it is one of those accounts.

I'd be shocked if it wasn't with the whole 'China defeated the virus' bull****, plus joining a dying BB forum for a cancelled series just to make a pro-china topic that reeks of propaganda is just suspect.

[Kizzy]

We don't need Russian bots we have our own bots now that's what AI is . A way to control the masses. We're world leaders.

[Ammi]

...this was an update on my newsfeed this morning...

Last week, Matt Hancock, the Health Secretary, confirmed that the Nightingale hospitals set up earlier this year would be ready to receive patients once again as conventional hospitals in some parts of the country faced becoming overwhelmed.

However, despite warnings in the spring that the London Nightingale needed to undergo a transformation to play a significant role over the winter, NHS England has admitted that no changes have been made to the facilities since the field hospital was put on "standby" in May.

...that’s only a relevant section taken, this is the whole article...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/londons-nightingale-hospital-ill-prepared-154445508.html

..staffing will always be a thing during times like this but it doesn’t appear to be a specific staffing problem as a ‘step down facility’...it seems more a ‘not prepared, even though it’s always been said how we need to prepare for the winter months and second wave, problem..’...the government didn’t take time out from their three word slogan making to prepare something so important for what they knew would come...it caught them by surprise, did it...and again, what they expect from the public and what they give are two things that often don’t marry at all...

[Kizzy]

Its a shame there couldn't be temporary covid hospitals, in each town specifically for those patients. To help reduce the spread of covid out of other hospitals.

That way funding could be more localised too with some areas only requiring minimal facilities and staffing.

[bots]

the nature of covid treatment has transformed since March, so the care profile will be completely different now from what was required then

[Ammi]

...yeah, I think it’s that this has been known.../..that step down facilities would be needed as varying treatments are now required/used more than the original breathing assistants...and that we would have these second wave requirements and yet nothing has been done to facilitate...

[Kazanne]

Right, I'm buying 200 quid worth off lottery tickets at the end of the month..probably euro millions..

Let's see eh.:smug:

Chuff,gone but never forgotten obviously.:smug:she must be missed,what an impact to have.

[DouglasS]

Chuff,gone but never forgotten obviously.:smug:she must be missed,what an impact to have.

She is still living in peoples head rent free :laugh:

Chuff really has people talking, and probably will for years (on site and offsite), she really does play a big part in some peoples lives :clap1:

[user104658]

"utopianman" is an anagram of "Man Pain, Out"

So I think we can be pretty sure it is The Truth.

[Kazanne]

She is still living in peoples head rent free :laugh:

Chuff really has people talking, and probably will for years (on site and offsite), she really does play a big part in some peoples lives :clap1:

That's Chuffs impact,:wavey:

[utopianman]

...this was an update on my newsfeed this morning...

Last week, Matt Hancock, the Health Secretary, confirmed that the Nightingale hospitals set up earlier this year would be ready to receive patients once again as conventional hospitals in some parts of the country faced becoming overwhelmed.

However, despite warnings in the spring that the London Nightingale needed to undergo a transformation to play a significant role over the winter, NHS England has admitted that no changes have been made to the facilities since the field hospital was put on "standby" in May.

...that’s only a relevant section taken, this is the whole article...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/londons-nightingale-hospital-ill-prepared-154445508.html

..staffing will always be a thing during times like this but it doesn’t appear to be a specific staffing problem as a ‘step down facility’...it seems more a ‘not prepared, even though it’s always been said how we need to prepare for the winter months and second wave, problem..’...the government didn’t take time out from their three word slogan making to prepare something so important for what they knew would come...it caught them by surprise, did it...and again, what they expect from the public and what they give are two things that often don’t marry at all...

Thanks for that link, very informative, clearly all 4 governments have been asleep at the wheel on the nightingale hospitals

[Parmy]

She knew her bb that's for sure.

[utopianman]

https://www.europeanreview.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/3442-3443.pdf

Quarantine hospitals are essential forCOVID-19 contention* *Dear Editor,The COVID-19 epidemic broke out in Wuhan, China at the end of 20191. The Chinese government has implemented control measures, including setting up special quarantine hospitals, forthe prevention and treatment of COVID-19 to mitigate its spread. The SARS-CoV-2 virus is thecause of the recent pneumonia outbreak and has since spread worldwide, posing a major threatto global public health2. In addition to the effective travel quarantine of Wuhan3, quarantinehospitals are essential for the mitigation of the spread of the COVID-19 outbreak.The Chinese health authorities notified WHO of an unknown etiology of pneumonia on December 31, 2019, which prompted health authorities to step up border surveillance. COVID-19spreads via human-to-human transmission. At the onset of the epidemic, the Wuhan MunicipalGovernment adopted a home quarantine approach to control it4; people with confirmed SARSCoV-2 infection were told to stay at home. This, however, did not curb the spread of the virus;increasing numbers of intra-family infections were reported, and it soon became evident thatthis home quarantine approach was not effective.The strategy changed from an at-home quarantine to a mandatory in-patient quarantine.Buildings were allocated for this purpose, and quarantine hospitals were quickly built. 7
Peoplewho tested positive to COVID-19 were admitted to these facilities and placed into isolation fromfamily and friends. This led to the control of intra-family infections, and became a lesson onhow to contain such a contagious pathogen. It is now accepted that all infected patients requireadmission to an isolation facility until the infectious period has passed. The fleeting return ofquarantine hospitals played a paramount role in infection control, and these hospitals have nowbeen partly decommissioned5.COVID-19 has become a global problem; for instance, it has severely impacted, amongother countries, also Iran. Indeed, a team of Chinese experts has visited Iran to provide information and guidance, and the country is now beginning to follow the Chinese quarantineroute to improve its outbreak. It is hoped that this course will contain the infection in Iran asit did in China. Public health experts worldwide should therefore take lessons from the Chineseexperience
Availability of Data and MaterialsAll data are publicly available.European Review for Medical and Pharmacological Sciences 2020; 24: 3442-3443Corresponding Authors: Juan Chen, MD; e-mail: chenjuan564453@163.comZhan-Hui Feng, MD; e-mail: h9450203@126.comQ