France:' Terrorist Attack' 3 dead in Nice/ Priest shot in Lyon

[arista]

[Two people have been killed in a suspected terror attack in Nice, police say.
French media is reporting a knife attack has
taken place near a church, and several others are injured.
Nice's mayor Christian Estrosi tweeted:
"Everything suggests a terrorist attack."
He added that one person had been arrested.
French interior minister Gerald Darmanin says
a police operation is under way and encouraged people
to stay away from the area.]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElfGdz1XYAArFvR?format=jpg&name=small


https://news.sky.com/story/two-dead-in-suspected-terror-attack-in-nice-12117574

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54729957

[Ammi]

...awful...the Sky report says 3 dead..?....and at least one of the victims beheaded, although some media is reporting all victims beheaded...just awful...

[UserSince2005]

Despicable.
I trust France will find and deport these people soon, no matter how dangerous there is no place for people with this mentality in our society.

[arista]

Yes these Evil Extreme Muslims, again.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/29/09/34990170-8892233-image-a-25_1603963051238.jpg
Armed Police at the scene

[Ammi]

...’Muslim’ isn’t in any way what terrorism is...it’s not really a descriptor....

[arista]

...’Muslim’ isn’t in any way what terrorism is...it’s not really a descriptor....

Yes Extreme Muslims
are Evil.


Normal Muslims
are shocked as well.

[UserSince2005]

...’Muslim’ isn’t in any way what terrorism is...it’s not really a descriptor....

They all identify as Muslim though.

[bots]

this must be related to the teacher incident

[Ammi]

...they don’t carry out these heinous acts in the name of a religion, they carry them out in the name of hate only...

[Cherie]

this must be related to the teacher incident

yes unfortunately, at least he has been arrested

[Parmy]

...they don’t carry out these heinous acts in the name of a religion, they carry them out in the name of hate only...

To be fair I reckon this one is solely down to the defence of a religion

[arista]

https://static.standard.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2020/10/29/09/2910niceincident.jpg

[Ammi]

Yes Extreme Muslims
are Evil.


Normal Muslims
are shocked as well.

...I’ve never seen the descriptors of ‘extreme Christians’ and ‘normal Christians’...if someone who happened to label themselves as ‘Christian’, committed an act of terror...they would be rightfully described as a terrorist...

[Ammi]

...one of the dead...85-year-old priest Jacques Hamel...

[Ammi]

... The attackers, 19-year-olds Adel Kermiche and Abdel Malik Petitjean, had pledged allegiance to Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, which claimed responsibility for the attack....

[arista]

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[Kazanne]

Disgusting,evil vermin.hope he rots

[Vanessa]

I had a colleague from work who was from Afghanistan.
She actually supported this line of thinking.
Needless to say, I'm not friends with her anymore.
There's no justification for murder, ever.

[Denver]

While I dont condone what as happened its that French newspaper that has started all of this with the racist cartoons they recently printed

[Cherie]

While I dont condone what as happened its that French newspaper that has started all of this with the racist cartoons they recently printed

what racist cartoons? do you have a link?

[Vanessa]

While I dont condone what as happened its that French newspaper that has started all of this with the racist cartoons they recently printed

This definitely made things worse. But the problem was there before as well.

[Denver]

what racist cartoons? do you have a link?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/5ba8bf8c-fd3f-40ff-917b-3b87cb959003

Thats one but they did another weeks ago before the other attack

[Nicky91]

While I dont condone what as happened its that French newspaper that has started all of this with the racist cartoons they recently printed

:conf: :umm2:

i always thought you had freedom of speech, and we should not let vile terrorist scum take that away from us

[Denver]

:conf: :umm2:

i always thought you had freedom of speech, and we should not let vile terrorist scum take that away from us

There is a difference to freedom of speech and being a downright racist

[Nicky91]

There is a difference to freedom of speech and being a downright racist

true, i am also not defending racism, but cartoons in newspapers are usually meant in a light-hearted way, not something to be taken seriously

[Cherie]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/5ba8bf8c-fd3f-40ff-917b-3b87cb959003

Thats one but they did another weeks ago before the other attack


All I can see is a headline?

Turkey vows legal action over Charlie Hebdo cartoon

[Denver]

All I can see is a headline?

Turkey vows legal action over Charlie Hebdo cartoon

The publication has a history of racist cartoons and was recently allowed to start publishing them again

[UserSince2005]

While I dont condone what as happened its that French newspaper that has started all of this with the racist cartoons they recently printed

Disgusting comment, how dare you.

silly cartoons do not preempt a random person being beheaded on the street.

[Denver]

Disgusting comment, how dare you.

silly cartoons do not preempt a random person being beheaded on the street.

But ask yourself why? Because the west has absolutely shattered their countries and continue to do so, if we want it to stop we need to look at ourselves and what we have done

[UserSince2005]

But ask yourself why? Because the west has absolutely shattered their countries and continue to do so, if we want it to stop we need to look at ourselves and what we have done

We haven't done enough, clearly, or the world would be a better place.

[Captain.Remy]

Yes the cartoons are not politically correct, yes it's a newspaper that is known for those cartoons. Sometimes it's funny, sometimes it's not. But nothing will ever justify what's happening over them. Erdogan and muslim people can be mad, if anything it will make the newspaper and the French public opinion stronger.
Full support to the families that are grieving. My sister lives close to the church, and it's pretty wild out there in a city that has already been under attack in 2016. It's sad and terrible.

[Denver]

We haven't done enough, clearly, or the world would be a better place.

The world would have been a better place if we didn't start war on countries we had no business being in

[bots]

As everyone knows muslim is not a race, so saying things like the cartoons were racist is blatantly false and actually very damaging to throw it around. France is a country with religious freedom, like our own, and people are allowed to make fun of religion and question it as much as they like without fear of being murdered

[Captain.Remy]

The publication has a history of racist cartoons and was recently allowed to start publishing them again

They never got banned to publish them in the first place.

[arista]

Disgusting,evil vermin.hope he rots

Police Shot him
he is in Hospital under Police control.

[Captain.Remy]

As everyone knows muslim is not a race, so saying things like the cartoons were racist is blatantly false and actually very damaging to throw it around. France is a country with religious freedom, like our own, and people are allowed to make fun of religion and question it as much as they like without fear of being murdered

You said what you said. THANKS!
Charlie Hebdo makes fun of everybody, it's not specifically targeted to muslim people. Whether we like this newspaper or not, what they did is not illegal and should be allowed to continue doing so.
If we were to do things that only please people or be politically correct, then we'd pretty much live in a dictatorship.

[UserSince2005]

Yes the cartoons are not politically correct, yes it's a newspaper that is known for those cartoons. Sometimes it's funny, sometimes it's not. But nothing will ever justify what's happening over them. Erdogan and muslim people can be mad, if anything it will make the newspaper and the French public opinion stronger.
Full support to the families that are grieving. My sister lives close to the church, and it's pretty wild out there in a city that has already been under attack in 2016. It's sad and terrible.

Stay safe.

Me and my bf will move back to Paris once you sorted out the problem.

Hopefully soon.

[Cherie]

As everyone knows muslim is not a race, so saying things like the cartoons were racist is blatantly false and actually very damaging to throw it around. France is a country with religious freedom, like our own, and people are allowed to make fun of religion and question it as much as they like without fear of being murdered

Precisely

Denver you seem to be saying that beheading people in the street in France is just revenge, yet I seem to recall you were very animated about the Manchester bombing? what is the difference?

[UserSince2005]

The world would have been a better place if we didn't start war on countries we had no business being in

Yeah we should have just let them kill each other.

My only thought goes out to the LGBT community trapped in such a barbaric place. I'd like to think life is better for them now after the wars but who knows.

[Denver]

Precisely

Denver you seem to be saying that beheading people in the street in France is just revenge, yet I seem to recall you were very animated about the Manchester bombing? what is the difference?

Im saying people need to stop stoking the flames

[bots]

Im saying people need to stop stoking the flames

no people need to stop murdering others in the name of religion

[Denver]

no people need to stop murdering others in the name of religion

But ask yourself why they are doing that?

[Crimson Dynamo]

More Muslim terror in France. :sad:I hope they stand firm against this barbaric intolerance

[bots]

But ask yourself why they are doing that?

because they are terrorist nutters!

[Cherie]

because they are terrorist nutters!

no other reason

Denver if your Mother was beheaded on the street, would you be saying, it's her fault?

Be careful what you are saying as this could be on UK street soon, copycat attacks are very common

[arista]

[Two hours later, police in the city of Avignon - 120 miles away - shot
and killed another knifeman who
reportedly threatened passersby while
shouting 'Allahu Akbar', Europe1 reported.]

Good this 2nd Terrorist Shot Dead

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8892233/Multiple-people-stabbed-terrorist-knife-attack-church-Nice.html

[Denver]

because they are terrorist nutters!

So your claiming that they just woke up one morning like this? and the western countries didnt attack and destroy for no reason other then greed and power?

[bots]

So your claiming that they just woke up one morning like this? and the western countries didnt attack and destroy for no reason other then greed and power?

you really need to take a good look at yourself. Condoning and supporting the terrorist murder of innocent people is not a good look. Consider yourself ignored

[Denver]

you really need to take a good look at yourself. Condoning and supporting the terrorist murder of innocent people is not a good look. Consider yourself ignored

where did i ever condone or support the actions? you only need to read my first post in the thread to realise you talk bull****


time to stop hating the muslims and blaming them for everything that has gone wrong while acting innocent

[Nicky91]

where did i ever condone or support the actions? you only need to read my first post in the thread to realise you talk bull****


time to stop hating the muslims and blaming them for everything that has gone wrong while acting innocent

true, the west just ain't innocent either


lots of innocent muslims who get discriminated upon too because of these sort of attacks


and also not all muslims are terrorists, the west also got some terrorists themselves in the past if we look at (Timothy McVeigh, The Unabomber as two notable highly dangerous examples)

[Ammi]

[Two hours later, police in the city of Avignon - 120 miles away - shot
and killed another knifeman who
reportedly threatened passersby while
shouting 'Allahu Akbar', Europe1 reported.]

Good this 2nd Terrorist Shot Dead

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8892233/Multiple-people-stabbed-terrorist-knife-attack-church-Nice.html

...is that the second attacker from the first attack...?...

[arista]

...is that the second attacker from the first attack...?...


No it appears to be a Separate attack,
160 miles away

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/29/11/34995592-0-image-m-12_1603971749957.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

true, the west just ain't innocent either


lots of innocent muslims who get discriminated upon too because of these sort of attacks


and also not all muslims are terrorists, the west also got some terrorists themselves in the past if we look at (Timothy McVeigh, The Unabomber as two notable highly dangerous examples)

2 examples from 19 and 24 years ago?

Neither was religiously motivated

[arista]

Also today:


French consulate worker is stabbed in Saudi Arabia

[Denver]

2 examples from 19 and 24 years ago?

Neither was religiously motivated

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States

there was a right wing terrorist attack in Germany months ago and here is a list of all non islamic terrorists

[arista]

...one of the dead...85-year-old priest Jacques Hamel...


Yes the Evil Terrorist
has preplanned this

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States

there was a right wing terrorist attack in Germany months ago and here is a list of all non islamic terrorists


And from that European list you linked to

The last 8 attacks

Muslim Terror killed 330

One far right guy killed 12

I know its not a pissing contest but lets face the facts about what is going on Terror wise

[Denver]

And from that European list you linked to

The last 8 attacks

Muslim Terror killed 330

One far right guy killed 12

I know its not a pissing contest but lets face the facts about what is going on Terror wise

Islamic terrorists kill more Muslims then non Muslims o you need to stop your hatred of Muslims because of a few bad apples

[Crimson Dynamo]

Islamic terrorists kill more Muslims then non Muslims o you need to stop your hatred of Muslims because of a few bad apples

I am sure they do and they kill an awful lot of people on a regular basis

This thread is about Islamic terrorists only, if anyone has suggested that all Muslims are terrorists then please point out the post

[Denver]

I am sure they do and they kill an awful lot of people on a regular basis

This thread is about Islamic terrorists only, if anyone has suggested that all Muslims are terrorists then please point out the post

We all know its the general consensus that a few bad apples make all Muslims bad people

[Nicky91]

I am sure they do and they kill an awful lot of people on a regular basis

This thread is about Islamic terrorists only, if anyone has suggested that all Muslims are terrorists then please point out the post

these terrorists are a absolute disgrace for their religion too

[Denver]

And also if anyone looked into the Quran it is actually against this sort of behaviour

[Cherie]

the IRA were referred to as Irish terrorists all the time, I didn't see anyone crying about it

[Crimson Dynamo]

And also if anyone looked into the Quran it is actually against this sort of behaviour

Anyone seeking support for armed jihad in the name of Allah will find
ample support in the passages in the Quran and Hadith that relate to
Mohammed’s Medina period. For example, Q4:95 states, “Allah hath granted
a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons
than to those who sit (at home).” Q8:60 advises Muslims “to strike terror into
(the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides,
whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know.” Finally, Q9:29
instructs Muslims: “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor
hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger,
nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the
Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves
subdued.”

https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/11/09/islam-is-a-religion-of-violence-ayaan-hirsi-ali-debate-islamic-state/

[The Slim Reaper]

the IRA were referred to as Irish terrorists all the time, I didn't see anyone crying about it

Niamh gets a bit wistful of the good old days when she's had an Irish coffee.

[Cherie]

Niamh gets a bit wistful of the good old days when she's had an Irish coffee.

and right on cue, I was just coming in to post Slim will be along in a minute to make a jolly jape about me or Niamh's involvement and we will laugh it off :laugh:

[The Slim Reaper]

and right on cue, I was just coming in to post Slim will be along in a minute to make a jolly jape about me or Niamh's involvement and we will laugh it off :laugh:

Dripping with your anti-English agenda :laugh:

[Denver]

Anyone seeking support for armed jihad in the name of Allah will find
ample support in the passages in the Quran and Hadith that relate to
Mohammed’s Medina period. For example, Q4:95 states, “Allah hath granted
a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons
than to those who sit (at home).” Q8:60 advises Muslims “to strike terror into
(the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides,
whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know.” Finally, Q9:29
instructs Muslims: “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor
hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger,
nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the
Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves
subdued.”

https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/11/09/islam-is-a-religion-of-violence-ayaan-hirsi-ali-debate-islamic-state/

[2:190] “You may fight in the cause of GOD against those who attack you but do not aggress. GOD does not love the aggressors.”

https://www.parhlo.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/GgLt4f1.jpg

[Captain.Remy]

And also if anyone looked into the Quran it is actually against this sort of behaviour

It is. That's why muslim people can't be brought into it because a large majority of them in France (and worldwide) are so shocked by it.
But some people (aka far right people) like to say all muslims are like that, when really they are not.
There's indeed a difference between being offended by a cartoon, and going out there to kill people for it and/or because they believe the Sharia law should be applicable everywhere.
We stand with our muslim brothers and sisters who are under so much attacks due to people's assimilation of them to those terrorists.

[Ammi]

It is. That's why muslim people can't be brought into it because a large majority of them in France (and worldwide) are so shocked by it.
But some people (aka far right people) like to say all muslims are like that, when really they are not.
There's indeed a difference between being offended by a cartoon, and going out there to kill people for it and/or because they believe the Sharia law should be applicable everywhere.
We stand with our muslim brothers and sisters who are under so much attacks due to people's assimilation of them to those terrorists.

...yeah, this is exactly it, Remy...none of these actions are in the name of Muslim...they’re in the name of hate only...we stand together with the Muslim community against this hate and terror...

[bots]

it's about time ordinary muslims took back their religion then and called out the terrorists. So far, the silence is deafening and plenty of muslim counties have supported it with their ban on french goods. People like to say its only a few bad apples, but this is entire countries boycotting the french for allowing free speech

[UserSince2005]

Murdered inside the church, these people are sick. These people make it about religion.
How dare someone behead innocent people whilst they attend church.
Islam is a disease.
France needs to be stay strong and take the steps necessary to end this humiliation.

[The Slim Reaper]

it's about time ordinary muslims took back their religion then and called out the terrorists. So far, the silence is deafening and plenty of muslim counties have supported it with their ban on french goods. People like to say its only a few bad apples, but this is entire countries boycotting the french for allowing free speech

This is a bit of a myth. The world is full of Muslim leaders, just as the world is full of christian leaders. The Muslim council of Britain came out today strongly against these attacks, and in defence of the innocents.

[Crimson Dynamo]

There is quite a lot of support in the Muslim community for this type of action

see below

Suicide bombings
In a 2006 Pew poll in response to a question on whether suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilian targets to defend Islam could be justified

In Europe
(35 vs 64) 64% of Muslims in France believed it could never be justified, 19% believed it could be justified rarely, 16% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
(24 vs 70) 70% of Muslims in the UK believed it could never be justified, 9% believed it could be justified rarely, 15% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
(13 vs 83) 83% of Muslims in Germany believed it could never be justified, 6% believed it could be justified rarely, 7% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
(27 vs 69) 69% of Muslims in Spain believed it could never be justified, 9% believed it could be justified rarely, 16% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
In mainly Muslim countries
(53 vs 45) 45% of Muslims in Egypt believed it could never be justified, 25% believed it could be justified rarely, 28% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
(26 vs 61) 61% of Muslims in Turkey believed it could never be justified, 9% believed it could be justified rarely, 17% thought it could be justified often or sometimes
(57 vs 43) 43% of Muslims in Jordan believed it could never be justified, 28% believed it could be justified rarely, 29% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
(69 vs 28) 28% of Muslims in Nigeria believed it could never be justified, 23% believed it could be justified rarely, 46% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
(22 vs 69) 69% of Muslims in Pakistan believed it could never be justified, 8% believed it could be justified rarely, 14% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
(28 vs 71) 71% of Muslims in Indonesia believed it could never be justified, 18% believed it could be justified rarely, 10% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_attitudes_toward_terrorism#cite_note-30

YOu would hope that 14 years later this has changed

[UserSince2005]

The rat they caught needs to be executed.

[Kazanne]

Disgusting comment, how dare you.

silly cartoons do not preempt a random person being beheaded on the street.

Exactly,why should innocent people be murdered for others misdemenors.

[The Slim Reaper]

There is quite a lot of support in the Muslim community for this type of action

see below

Suicide bombings
In a 2006 Pew poll in response to a question on whether suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilian targets to defend Islam could be justified

In Europe
(35 vs 64) 64% of Muslims in France believed it could never be justified, 19% believed it could be justified rarely, 16% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
(24 vs 70) 70% of Muslims in the UK believed it could never be justified, 9% believed it could be justified rarely, 15% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
(13 vs 83) 83% of Muslims in Germany believed it could never be justified, 6% believed it could be justified rarely, 7% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
(27 vs 69) 69% of Muslims in Spain believed it could never be justified, 9% believed it could be justified rarely, 16% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
In mainly Muslim countries
(53 vs 45) 45% of Muslims in Egypt believed it could never be justified, 25% believed it could be justified rarely, 28% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
(26 vs 61) 61% of Muslims in Turkey believed it could never be justified, 9% believed it could be justified rarely, 17% thought it could be justified often or sometimes
(57 vs 43) 43% of Muslims in Jordan believed it could never be justified, 28% believed it could be justified rarely, 29% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
(69 vs 28) 28% of Muslims in Nigeria believed it could never be justified, 23% believed it could be justified rarely, 46% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
(22 vs 69) 69% of Muslims in Pakistan believed it could never be justified, 8% believed it could be justified rarely, 14% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
(28 vs 71) 71% of Muslims in Indonesia believed it could never be justified, 18% believed it could be justified rarely, 10% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_attitudes_toward_terrorism#cite_note-30

YOu would hope that 14 years later this has changed

From the same link, right under the stuff you copied and pasted in here

A 2014 Pew poll showed that support for suicide bombings had fallen to a great degree in Muslim-majority nations over the last decade:[53]

(46 vs 45) In Lebanon, 45% it could never justified, 25% rarely and 29% said often/sometimes.
(59 vs 38) In Egypt, 38% said it could never be justified, 35% rarely while 24% said often/sometimes.
(29 vs 58) In Turkey, 58% said never, 11% rarely while 18% said often/sometimes.
(44 vs 55) In Jordan, 55% said never, 29% rarely while 15% said often/sometimes.
(8 vs 90) In Tunisia, 90% said never, 3% rarely while 5% said often/sometimes.
(61 vs 33) In Bangladesh, 33% said never, 14% rarely and 47% said often/sometimes.
(33 vs 60) In Malaysia, 60% said never, 15% rarely and 18% often/sometimes.
(22 vs 76) In Indonesia, 76% said never, 13% rarely and 9% often/sometimes.
(7 vs 83) In Pakistan, 83% said never, 4% rarely and 3% often/sometimes.
(34 vs 60) In Nigeria, 60% said never, 15% rarely and 19% often/sometimes.
(31 vs 56) In Senegal, 56% said never, 16% rarely and 15% often/sometimes.
In mostly non-Muslim nations:

(45 vs 50) In Tanzania, 50% said never, 19% said rarely and 26% said often/sometimes.
(46 vs 48) In Israel, 48% said never, 30% rarely and 16% said often/sometimes.

[bots]

Jordan, Pakistan, Egypt, Kuwait, Turkey and Iran have all banned french goods ... Pretty sizeable population in that group

[Josy]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/5ba8bf8c-fd3f-40ff-917b-3b87cb959003



Thats one but they did another weeks ago before the other attackThe other attack was due to a teacher showing caricatures of Mohammed in a school though?

[Crimson Dynamo]

From the same link, right under the stuff you copied and pasted in here

A 2014 Pew poll showed that support for suicide bombings had fallen to a great degree in Muslim-majority nations over the last decade:[53]

(46 vs 45) In Lebanon, 45% it could never justified, 25% rarely and 29% said often/sometimes.
(59 vs 38) In Egypt, 38% said it could never be justified, 35% rarely while 24% said often/sometimes.
(29 vs 58) In Turkey, 58% said never, 11% rarely while 18% said often/sometimes.
(44 vs 55) In Jordan, 55% said never, 29% rarely while 15% said often/sometimes.
(8 vs 90) In Tunisia, 90% said never, 3% rarely while 5% said often/sometimes.
(61 vs 33) In Bangladesh, 33% said never, 14% rarely and 47% said often/sometimes.
(33 vs 60) In Malaysia, 60% said never, 15% rarely and 18% often/sometimes.
(22 vs 76) In Indonesia, 76% said never, 13% rarely and 9% often/sometimes.
(7 vs 83) In Pakistan, 83% said never, 4% rarely and 3% often/sometimes.
(34 vs 60) In Nigeria, 60% said never, 15% rarely and 19% often/sometimes.
(31 vs 56) In Senegal, 56% said never, 16% rarely and 15% often/sometimes.
In mostly non-Muslim nations:

(45 vs 50) In Tanzania, 50% said never, 19% said rarely and 26% said often/sometimes.
(46 vs 48) In Israel, 48% said never, 30% rarely and 16% said often/sometimes.

the average from the list above who said they support terror often sometimes is 19%


the number of Muslims in the world is 1.7 BILLION (1,703,146,000)

19% of that is 323,597,740

That is 323 MILLION Muslims who support terror, thats a lot!

That is more than the whole population of the USA:shocked:

[arista]

Macron has arrived in Nice
with his Armed body guards

[arista]

The rat they caught needs to be executed.

This time
once the Terrorist is out of Hospital
they can find out, other sleeper cells

[The Slim Reaper]

the average from the list above who said they support terror often sometimes is 19%


the number of Muslims in the world is 1.7 BILLION (1,703,146,000)

19% of that is 323,597,740

That is 323 MILLION Muslims who support terror, thats a lot!

That is more than the whole population of the USA:shocked:

Well no, not really. Unless you ask every single one of them, then it's not accurate. This is the old Sam Harris argument of extrapolation. You also said you'd hoped it had changed in 14 years, and just a slight glance further down the page would have shown you it had and was still continuing to do so.

[Kazanne]

I dont care what colour ,creed or religion he is to murder people while they are worshipping,an 85 year old priest and beheading a woman is wrong in any way shape or form, I hope he survives and slowly rots in prison,he is pond life we dont need

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well no, not really. Unless you ask every single one of them, then it's not accurate. This is the old Sam Harris argument of extrapolation. You also said you'd hoped it had changed in 14 years, and just a slight glance further down the page would have shown you it had and was still continuing to do so.

the numbers are huge and its a big concern going forward. Salmon Rushdie back in the day and FF to today and its a flipping Cartoon???

[Nicky91]

There is quite a lot of support in the Muslim community for this type of action

see below

Suicide bombings
In a 2006 Pew poll in response to a question on whether suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilian targets to defend Islam could be justified

In Europe
(35 vs 64) 64% of Muslims in France believed it could never be justified, 19% believed it could be justified rarely, 16% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
(24 vs 70) 70% of Muslims in the UK believed it could never be justified, 9% believed it could be justified rarely, 15% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
(13 vs 83) 83% of Muslims in Germany believed it could never be justified, 6% believed it could be justified rarely, 7% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
(27 vs 69) 69% of Muslims in Spain believed it could never be justified, 9% believed it could be justified rarely, 16% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
In mainly Muslim countries
(53 vs 45) 45% of Muslims in Egypt believed it could never be justified, 25% believed it could be justified rarely, 28% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
(26 vs 61) 61% of Muslims in Turkey believed it could never be justified, 9% believed it could be justified rarely, 17% thought it could be justified often or sometimes
(57 vs 43) 43% of Muslims in Jordan believed it could never be justified, 28% believed it could be justified rarely, 29% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
(69 vs 28) 28% of Muslims in Nigeria believed it could never be justified, 23% believed it could be justified rarely, 46% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
(22 vs 69) 69% of Muslims in Pakistan believed it could never be justified, 8% believed it could be justified rarely, 14% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
(28 vs 71) 71% of Muslims in Indonesia believed it could never be justified, 18% believed it could be justified rarely, 10% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_attitudes_toward_terrorism#cite_note-30

YOu would hope that 14 years later this has changed

tbh majorities of those Muslims in either europe, or mainly muslim countries say it can never be justified which is good

the smaller percentages are probably those who are at point of being radicalised or are already radicalised

[UserSince2005]

I dont care what colour ,creed or religion he is to murder people while they are worshipping,an 85 year old priest and beheading a woman is wrong in any way shape or form, I hope he survives and slowly rots in prison,he is pond life we dont need

I hate these stories because they get worse and worse the more information comes to light.

Absolutely disgusted.

[Kazanne]

I hate these stories because they get worse and worse the more information comes to light.

Absolutely disgusted.

I agree,it's getting scarey I fear for my kids to be honest.

[Kazanne]

I hate these stories because they get worse and worse the more information comes to light.

Absolutely disgusted.

I agree,it's getting scarey I fear for my kids to be honest.

[Captain.Remy]

Jordan, Pakistan, Egypt, Kuwait, Turkey and Iran have all banned french goods ... Pretty sizeable population in that group

I work in a shipping company and we discussed it this morning during a meeting. These countries still let French goods go through their borders, so they're already paid. Some supermarkets don't put them on the shelves, but it doesn't go beyond that. And their commercial balance isn't in their favor. And because EU leaders stand with Macron, the repercussions might be bad for them and not so much for us.
Also in France right now, the hot topic is French muslim people agreeing with the ban but still getting money from the French government such as welfare etc That one they're not banning of course.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I work in a shipping company and we discussed it this morning during a meeting. These countries still let French goods go through their borders, so they're already paid. Some supermarkets don't put them on the shelves, but it doesn't go beyond that. And their commercial balance isn't in their favor. And because EU leaders stand with Macron, the repercussions might be bad for them and not so much for us.
Also in France right now, the hot topic is French muslim people agreeing with the ban but still getting money from the French government such as welfare etc That one they're not banning of course.

what sort of percentage of French Muslims agree with the ban would you estimate?

[Ammi]

India comes out in support of Macron after 'unacceptable personal attacks' over Muhammad cartoons...


India has issued a statement in support of France’s President Emmanuel Macron, who is under fire from Arab countries following his statements about the controversial display of cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad.

India’s foreign affairs ministry said that it “strongly deplores the personal attacks in unacceptable language� on Mr Macron and that they are “in violation of the most basic standards of international discourse.�

“We also condemn the brutal terrorist attack that took the life of a French teacher in a gruesome manner that has shocked the world,� said the statement.

...full article..

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/india-comes-support-macron-unacceptable-105920810.html

[The Slim Reaper]

the numbers are huge and its a big concern going forward. Salmon Rushdie back in the day and FF to today and its a flipping Cartoon???

It's a concern, yes, but if the numbers were actually as huge as you present them, then there would be far more suicide bombings around the world. I take it you're not living your days in fear of being bombed? Me neither.

[The Slim Reaper]

India comes out in support of Macron after 'unacceptable personal attacks' over Muhammad cartoons...


India has issued a statement in support of France’s President Emmanuel Macron, who is under fire from Arab countries following his statements about the controversial display of cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad.

India’s foreign affairs ministry said that it “strongly deplores the personal attacks in unacceptable language� on Mr Macron and that they are “in violation of the most basic standards of international discourse.�

“We also condemn the brutal terrorist attack that took the life of a French teacher in a gruesome manner that has shocked the world,� said the statement.

...full article..

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/india-comes-support-macron-unacceptable-105920810.html

India is a fascist country at the moment, doing to Muslims what Nazi's did to Jews.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's a concern, yes, but if the numbers were actually as huge as you present them, then there would be far more suicide bombings around the world. I take it you're not living your days in fear of being bombed? Me neither.

why?

it's about supporting the actions not actually joining in

[The Slim Reaper]

why?

it's about supporting the actions not actually joining in

Not really, because you're straight back to the extrapolation problem. You can't extrapolate a poll of a couple of thousand people and come up with 323 million in big letters.

[arista]

India is a fascist country at the moment, doing to Muslims what Nazi's did to Jews.

They are Anti Muslim , yes.

[arista]

France (Macron) is now putting his Army on the streets
He has raised the Threat level.

[UserSince2005]

France (Macron) is now putting his Army on the streets
He has raised the Threat level.

Shoot to kill boys

[arista]

Being Beheaded in a Church
is terrible.

[arista]

Shoot to kill boys


They will
now the threat level has gone up.

[Nicky91]

good, terrorists lose their rights to live the moment they cause chaos and death among us

they lost their rights of being members of the Islamic religion, and Denver is correct, it states in the Quran that terrorism is one of the sins in that book

[arista]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/6C18/production/_115127672_bc622507-3b0d-4bf7-8377-720938a00bea.jpg

[Vanessa]

It's about time they put the army on the street.
I hate to say this, but they need to shoot to kill. These kinds of people are planning mass murder and have to be stopped.

[arista]

Google photo of Location.
https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/45BB/production/_115115871_nice_attack_notre_dame_basilica_640-nc.png

Beheaded in a Church
Evil Terrorist will answer for this War

[Captain.Remy]

what sort of percentage of French Muslims agree with the ban would you estimate?

It's complicated isn't it, because you mostly see these kinds of comments on news or social media. And racial/religion statistics are forbidden in France, so really you can't make any polls on it. Again, exaggerated news and social media beef between politics, nothing new really.

[arista]

Capt. Remy what is your threat levels?

[Cherie]

Can see a mosque attack in retaliation for this in the not so distant future and on it goes

[bots]

i don't think it will be the end of it today, for sure

[Captain.Remy]

Capt. Remy what is your threat levels?

I think Macron said we are back to maximum threat level as from today. As we have a new Covid-19 lockdown from tomorrow to December 1st, it's important to feel safe that one hour per day we can go out.
Me personally, I've learnt to live with "it" since the Paris attacks in 2015 like all French people. It can happen anywhere, anytime. It shouldn't be the way to go, but really life must go on so you don't really think about it. Until last week and today where it's all happening again.

[Ammi]

I think Macron said we are back to maximum threat level as from today. As we have a new Covid-19 lockdown from tomorrow to December 1st, it's important to feel safe that one hour per day we can go out.
Me personally, I've learnt to live with "it" since the Paris attacks in 2015 like all French people. It can happen anywhere, anytime. It shouldn't be the way to go, but really life must go on so you don't really think about it. Until last week and today where it's all happening again.

...that’s exactly what is hoped to create with the ‘terror’ that people become disabled by fears of living their lives ...and that’s the control that is sought more than anything...the way to not be a victim is to not allow that control to happen and to live a life your own ways...(...within COVID restrictions obviously because those are for your own wellbeing and the well being of those around you...)...

[arista]

I think Macron said we are back to maximum threat level as from today. As we have a new Covid-19 lockdown from tomorrow to December 1st, it's important to feel safe that one hour per day we can go out.
Me personally, I've learnt to live with "it" since the Paris attacks in 2015 like all French people. It can happen anywhere, anytime. It shouldn't be the way to go, but really life must go on so you don't really think about it. Until last week and today where it's all happening again.


Its good he is using the Army
as well.

[arista]

4,000 French Troops are now on French Streets
Fully armed

[Captain.Remy]

...that’s exactly what is hoped to create with the ‘terror’ that people become disabled by fears of living their lives ...and that’s the control that is sought more than anything...the way to not be a victim is to not allow that control to happen and to live a life your own ways...(...within COVID restrictions obviously because those are for your own wellbeing and the well being of those around you...)...

It is hoped that to create but us French people went right back to our ways of living, having dinner outside, enjoying "cafés", just living life. You know, things that are known to define us French. We won't back down. They can try, but it won't happen anytime soon, if not ever.

[Ammi]

It is hoped that to create but us French people went right back to our ways of living, having dinner outside, enjoying "cafés", just living life. You know, things that are known to define us French. We won't back down. They can try, but it won't happen anytime soon, if not ever.

...yeah, I was in Paris not long after the 2015 attacks and although, some areas felt a bit more subdued, an obvious feeling of sadness ...?...and more armed police etc...it was lovely to see the people of Paris all living their days the way the always do, the way they were born to do, you know...with smiles of love on their faces and passion in their voices ..:love:...(...and in their flaying arms..:laugh:..)...

[arista]

The Arrested Terrorist
in Hospital is from Tunisia

Ref: Ch4HDnews.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/30/01/35025396-0-image-m-52_1604022183613.jpg

[Cherie]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/30/01/35025396-0-image-m-52_1604022183613.jpg

Those poor people innocently going about their day :sad:

[Oliver_W]

Good on Macron for supporting cartoons of Muhammed. France isn't a caliphate and they don't have blasphemy laws, so why shouldn't cartoons of him be allowed?

[Nicky91]

Good on Macron for supporting cartoons of Muhammed. France isn't a caliphate and they don't have blasphemy laws, so why shouldn't cartoons of him be allowed?

nope, time to deport all those refugees from europe and back to their own countries, the terrorists come among the refugees of course

otherwise we will get another terror attack, and another, and another

[Kizzy]

nope, time to deport all those refugees from europe and back to their own countries, the terrorists come among the refugees of course

otherwise we will get another terror attack, and another, and another

Not true.. total misinformation

Those that have wreaked the most havoc in Europe have been radicalised home grown terrorists.

[arista]

1322190649182035968

UK Police Stopped these Protestors
at our French Embassy in London.

[Oliver_W]

1322190649182035968

UK Police Stopped these Protestors
at our French Embassy in London.

:joker:

Yeah, thank goodness we have the religion of love and peace to behead people for showing cartoons, and setting fire to flags of a country which doesn't enact blasphemy laws...

Macron is doing the right thing.

[UserSince2005]

cant help but think turkey got a bit of karma today. is that bad to say?

[bots]

there is going to be a similar incident here if we are not careful

[Ammi]

cant help but think turkey got a bit of karma today. is that bad to say?

...of course, User...there are at least 4 people who have lost their lives...

[Cherie]

there is going to be a similar incident here if we are not careful

think its a case of pretty much inevitable at this stage

[UserSince2005]

...of course, User...there are at least 4 people who have lost their lives...

i know, i know, they are so evil they make me evil :bawling:

[Ammi]

i know, i know, they are so evil they make me evil :bawling:

...resist the evil, my love...you’re so much more suited and right for the love and not for the hate at all...

[UserSince2005]

...resist the evil, my love...you’re so much more suited and right for the love and not for the hate at all...

I will be my best self :love:

I know deep down I don't really believe the poor Turkish people should be all wet and flooded for their presidents nasty words and incitement of these evil acts

[Nicky91]

yes feel sorry for the turkish people, that due to corruption they can't get rid of that clown Erdogan :(

[utopianman]

While I dont condone what as happened its that French newspaper that has started all of this with the racist cartoons they recently printed
wow what an insane post:nono:

[arista]

:joker:

Yeah, thank goodness we have the religion of love and peace to behead people for showing cartoons, and setting fire to flags of a country which doesn't enact blasphemy laws...

Macron is doing the right thing.


Yes but there so many more Evil Terrorists
ready to murder in France.

The Police /Army must track them down,fast.

They just need a Sharp Kitchen knife.

[arista]

1322228083450171393


Under Covid Rules
this is illegal.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/30/17/35050114-8898271-image-a-31_1604079098287.jpg

London yesterday

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/30/17/35050116-8898271-image-a-33_1604079205096.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8898271/Anti-Macron-fury-reaches-London-Police-clash-Muslim-crowds-demanding-respect-Prophet.html

[Cherie]

1322228083450171393


Under Covid Rules
this is illegal.

All men?

[UserSince2005]

round them up please, not people we need in our country.

[Nicky91]

round them up please, not people we need in our country.

islamophobia :idc:


99% of all muslims might be good, and just 1% being terrorists

[arista]

All men?


Yes all men

[UserSince2005]

islamophobia :idc:


99% of all muslims might be good, and just 1% being terrorists

If you have the hate to go and protest when people have been beheaded then you are a problem at the very least, and a potential terrorist at the worst.

[UserSince2005]

Yes all men

not by my definition.

[Nicky91]

If you have the hate to go and protest when people have been beheaded then you are a problem at the very least, and a potential terrorist at the worst.

yes not a good timing to do this protest, they should've done this few weeks later or something

[arista]

not by my definition.


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/30/17/35050138-8898271-image-a-61_1604080759085.jpg

[Oliver_W]

yes not a good timing to do this protest, they should've done this few weeks later or something

In this case, the protest shouldn't have happened at all.

What are they protesting? A country not banning images of a "prophet" after a couple of terror attacks ...

Some battles should not be fought, especially during a pandemic.

[arista]

1322492107668541443

[bots]

on going security incident in Lyon now where a priest has been shot

[arista]

on going security incident in Lyon now where a priest has been shot


Yes they are treating him now.

SkyNewsHD is Live there now

[Ammi]

...the reports are saying ‘wounded’, so hopefully not fatal...

[arista]

...the reports are saying ‘wounded’, so hopefully not fatal...


Yes he was locking up the Church

So an Easy target.


Now on the Run
another new Terrorist

https://news.sky.com/story/french-priest-seriously-injured-in-lyon-gun-attack-police-confirm-12119886

[Ammi]

Lyon gun attack: Arrest made after Greek Orthodox priest seriously injured...


https://news.sky.com/story/french-priest-seriously-injured-in-lyon-gun-attack-police-confirm-12119886

[Ammi]

...the victim’s injuries are life threatening...I hope he survives...

[bots]

posting this here because it's probably related ...


At least two people have been stabbed to death and five more wounded in the Canadian city of Quebec.

Police told people to remain indoors after a man "dressed in medieval clothes" attacked "multiple victims" with a bladed weapon on Saturday night.

A man in his mid-20s was arrested shortly before 01:00 local time (04:00 GMT), officers said.

But residents are still being told to stay inside as an investigation is under way.

The attack took place around Parliament Hill in the historic Old Quebec neighbourhood. First reports of the incident came through shortly before 22:30 local time.

After his arrest near the Espace 400e business park, the man was taken to hospital.

Reporters at the scene have tweeted photos of a police command post outside Quebec's Parliament Building.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54766208

[arista]

A business associate
in Paris told me of their security levels.



[Concerning security levels, there is 3 levels

1 "vigilance" meaning "people must be aware of risk"
2 Terrorist atempt risk / enforced security
3 Terrorism urgency risk]

[arista]

posting this here because it's probably related ...


At least two people have been stabbed to death and five more wounded in the Canadian city of Quebec.

Police told people to remain indoors after a man "dressed in medieval clothes" attacked "multiple victims" with a bladed weapon on Saturday night.

A man in his mid-20s was arrested shortly before 01:00 local time (04:00 GMT), officers said.

But residents are still being told to stay inside as an investigation is under way.

The attack took place around Parliament Hill in the historic Old Quebec neighbourhood. First reports of the incident came through shortly before 22:30 local time.

After his arrest near the Espace 400e business park, the man was taken to hospital.

Reporters at the scene have tweeted photos of a police command post outside Quebec's Parliament Building.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54766208


Yes it is sadly related.