Will you get the covid vaccine?

[Josy]

If the covid vaccine is released as early as next month like the media is suggesting will you take it?

[Cherie]

I doubt I will be offered, and wouldn't take it for now anyway

Its going to go by age down to over 50 (unless underlying condition) plus healthcare workers, and probably teachers

[Liam-]

As someone who lives with and looks after someone that’s on the vulnerable list, I might be required to

[UserSince2005]

No way, i aint no ones guinea pig

[Niamh.]

I'm very pro vaccine but I'm a bit nervous about how fast this one has been rolled out tbh :skull:

[UserSince2005]

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/history/narcolepsy-flu.html

Thousands of people in Sweden cannot get a good nights sleep anymore after a nationwide Swine Flu vaccine programme.

[Niamh.]

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/history/narcolepsy-flu.html

Thousands of people in Sweden cannot get a good nights sleep anymore after a nationwide Swine Flu vaccine programme.

Yeah that was another one actually I was wary of, they were offering it at my kids schools back then but I didn't get it for them. I actually asked my moms neighbour who was a Doctor and his answer was "My kids won't be getting it" so yeah that was enough for me :laugh:

[Vanessa]

Yes.

[arista]

No way, i aint no ones guinea pig


But the 40,000
Worldwide, that tested it, are fine

[arista]

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/history/narcolepsy-flu.html

Thousands of people in Sweden cannot get a good nights sleep anymore after a nationwide Swine Flu vaccine programme.


Sure that maybe a mess



But this one
is not the same route

[arista]

I'm very vaccine but I'm a bit nervous about how fast this one has been rolled out tbh :skull:


Yes it is fast
but 40,000 folks all doing well on it
should change your mind

[Cherie]

I'm very vaccine but I'm a bit nervous about how fast this one has been rolled out tbh :skull:

I was listening to someone explaining how it was done, in a normal route there would be pauses, they haven't paused and they ran many of the elements which would normally be done in sequence in parrallel

[Cherie]

If I had an underlying condition or was over 75 I would take it no question.

[Ammi]

...I’m not sure, it’s not a decision that I have to make atm...we know someone who is working on it and will talk to him as well for his take...

[Kazanne]

I will have it ,if it's offered it wont be rolled out until they are pretty sure it's safe, I don't know what people want really, it seems whatever is offered to help , people rebel against it, the herd immunity was frowned upon ,the lockdown was frowned upon, the lifting of lockdown was frowned upon, Schools closing or opening was frowned upon ,it seems people will just never be happy with anything that is rolled out, we now have hopes of a vaccine that could help and we are still not happy it seems. :shrug:

[Niamh.]

...I’m not sure, it’s not a decision that I have to make atm...we know someone who is working on it and will talk to him as well for his take...

Oh let us know what he says

[Niamh.]

I will have it ,if it's offered it wont be rolled out until they are pretty sure it's safe, I don't know what people want really, it seems whatever is offered to help , people rebel against it, the herd immunity was frowned upon ,the lockdown was frowned upon, the lifting of lockdown was frowned upon, Schools closing or opening was frowned upon ,it seems people will just never be happy with anything that is rolled out, we now have hopes of a vaccine that could help and we are still not happy it seems. :shrug:

That's a bit unfair Kaz, people are rightly cautious when a drug is rolled out that quickly. I want more than anything for all this to be over it's certainly not rebelling for the sake of it

[Ramsay]

Obviously

[bots]

I will have it if the metrics look good on it, but it won't be without a degree of trepidation As i'm in a more vulnerable age group, it likely is the sensible way forward.

[Tom4784]

I'll take the vaccine if it's tested and proven.

[user104658]

in a normal route there would be pauses, they haven't paused and they ran many of the elements which would normally be done in sequence in parrallel

That sounds like a long-winded way of saying "it was rushed", let's be honest.

I will have it ,if it's offered it wont be rolled out until they are pretty sure it's safe

They are currently desperate for something to work, and there are multiple examples of vaccines being rolled out with horrific results in the past.

100% vaccine safety is a myth, vaccines carry risks and while I'm generally happy to be vaccinated myself and have my kids vaccinated - these are tried and tested vaccines that have been given out hundreds of millions, if not billions of times over multiple decades and the data on them is very robust. New vaccines always come with an element of risk and they usually take a lot longer to be developed and tested which mitigates a lot of the potential unforeseen risks. As of 2019 they have a relatively robust seeming Ebola vaccine, for example... it took decades of development.

I'm in the lowest priority group (under 40, in good health) so I'm not likely to be offered it any time soon... which I'm quite happy with. There's no way around the fact that this will have been sped up to an unprecedented degree and therefore, there is simply no way to know for sure about potential side effects, even short term let alone longer term. Selfishly, I'm OK with there being tens of millions in line before me.

[bots]

That sounds like a long-winded way of saying "it was rushed", let's be honest.



They are currently desperate for something to work, and there are multiple examples of vaccines being rolled out with horrific results in the past.

100% vaccine safety is a myth, vaccines carry risks and while I'm generally happy to be vaccinated myself and have my kids vaccinated - these are tried and tested vaccines that have been given out hundreds of millions, if not billions of times over multiple decades and the data on them is very robust. New vaccines always come with an element of risk and they usually take a lot longer to be developed and tested which mitigates a lot of the potential unforeseen risks. As of 2019 they have a relatively robust seeming Ebola vaccine, for example... it took decades of development.

I'm in the lowest priority group (under 40, in good health) so I'm not likely to be offered it any time soon... which I'm quite happy with. There's no way around the fact that this will have been sped up to an unprecedented degree and therefore, there is simply no way to know for sure about potential side effects, even short term let alone longer term. Selfishly, I'm OK with there being tens of millions in line before me.

it always boils down to risk vs reward. Under 40's won't be offered it early, but then the generally won't need it.

What would be very funny is the over 60's all dancing there way to the shops/pubs while all the youngsters are stuck at home :laugh:

[smudgie]

Not at all sure about this.
Might suggest hubby has it and I skip it.:shrug:
See how it goes.

[user104658]

it always boils down to risk vs reward. Under 40's won't be offered it early, but then the generally won't need it.

What would be very funny is the over 60's all dancing there way to the shops/pubs while all the youngsters are stuck at home :laugh:

If vulnerable groups are vaccinated then there should be little (if any) reason for restrictions, other than probably trying to maintain social distancing for the time being and things like vigilant hand hygiene. I honestly think using hand-san in the car after shopping is going to be a lifelong habit at this point :joker: ... I mean, Covid or no Covid it's probably good practice, as are hand cleaning stations being readily available in public :shrug:.

But yes I agree it's a sliding scale of risk; based on various factors, there will obviously be a "pivot point" where the risk of catching Covid outweighs the risk of having an experimental vaccine. For me, that point is probably around 50 in good health, or at about 20 with complicating health factors (unless those fasctors include immunity disorders that could make vaccination itself more risky). I don't think there would be much reason at all to start vaccinating under-20's and certainly not under-12's.

[user104658]

Might suggest hubby has it and I skip it.:shrug:


I like your style smudgie :laugh:

[smudgie]

I like your style smudgie :laugh:

Me so caring:laugh:

[arista]

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[Amy Jade]

Im not sure I would get offered it, as I am in my early 20's so I doubt it but then again my job is basically working directly with the vulnerable so who knows.

I wouldn't want to be first in line but if it means I can help others I'd do it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

yes of course as there may be consequences about where you can go and the like if you dont

plus i am a carer etc

[Captain.Remy]

Obviously yes!

[Kazanne]

Not at all sure about this.
Might suggest hubby has it and I skip it.:shrug:
See how it goes.

:joker::joker:

[Kazanne]

That's a bit unfair Kaz, people are rightly cautious when a drug is rolled out that quickly. I want more than anything for all this to be over it's certainly not rebelling for the sake of it

it probably is a bit Niamh, but we have to go forward at some point, I will be cautious as well , but better than living like we all are now I think.

[AnnieK]

I will have it ,if it's offered it wont be rolled out until they are pretty sure it's safe, I don't know what people want really, it seems whatever is offered to help , people rebel against it, the herd immunity was frowned upon ,the lockdown was frowned upon, the lifting of lockdown was frowned upon, Schools closing or opening was frowned upon ,it seems people will just never be happy with anything that is rolled out, we now have hopes of a vaccine that could help and we are still not happy it seems. :shrug:

People have the right to be a little cautious. They said thalidomide was safe to take in early pregnancy and we all know how that turned out.

Its a worry and I do think people will be nervous. I spoke to my dad about it and he said he will have it as it would stop him having to shield every time there is an uptick and in his words "if there's long term side effects, I'll be either dead or nearly dead by then anyway"

I think things like foreign travel may require you to be inoculated before you go etc so a lot of people who say they won't get it may change their minds if their annual holidays are dependent on it

[Crimson Dynamo]

People have the right to be a little cautious. They said thalidomide was safe to take in early pregnancy and we all know how that turned out.

Its a worry and I do think people will be nervous. I spoke to my dad about it and he said he will have it as it would stop him having to shield every time there is an uptick and in his words "if there's long term side effects, I'll be either dead or nearly dead by then anyway"

I think things like foreign travel may require you to be inoculated before you go etc so a lot of people who say they won't get it may change their minds if their annual holidays are dependent on it

that was 50 years ago!

[Crimson Dynamo]

people are more than happy to slavishly follow the science on lockdown but on a vaccine its like

:suspect:

[DouglasS]

I will have it ,if it's offered it wont be rolled out until they are pretty sure it's safe, I don't know what people want really, it seems whatever is offered to help , people rebel against it, the herd immunity was frowned upon ,the lockdown was frowned upon, the lifting of lockdown was frowned upon, Schools closing or opening was frowned upon ,it seems people will just never be happy with anything that is rolled out, we now have hopes of a vaccine that could help and we are still not happy it seems. :shrug:

Completely agree.

People will still blame the government if people refuse to take the vaccine in order to help the country (PS if people don’t take it it’s fine and it’s completely your decision, but also don’t expect the government to have to act on your decision.. I.e if people continue to die as they didn’t vaccine or end up on venticilators then tough luck, others shouldn’t live in poverty or suffer with mental health issues as a result of your decision imo)

[Niamh.]

people are more than happy to slavishly follow the science on lockdown but on a vaccine its like

:suspect:

It isn't about not trusting the Science at all LT, it's about there not really being enough time to see what kind of longer term effects a new vaccine could have :shrug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

It isn't about not trusting the Science at all LT, it's about there not really being enough time to see what kind of longer term effects a new vaccine could have :shrug:

how long do you wish to wait?

[Kazanne]

People have the right to be a little cautious. They said thalidomide was safe to take in early pregnancy and we all know how that turned out.

Its a worry and I do think people will be nervous. I spoke to my dad about it and he said he will have it as it would stop him having to shield every time there is an uptick and in his words "if there's long term side effects, I'll be either dead or nearly dead by then anyway"

I think things like foreign travel may require you to be inoculated before you go etc so a lot of people who say they won't get it may change their minds if their annual holidays are dependent on it

I do get that Annie but wasn't that for warding off morning sickness , and as tragic as it all was ,I think maybe Covid is more widespread so needs to be at the forefront of anything that could potentially save lots of people, hopefully the testing will be thorough before its wheeled out, I agree with the travel etc, they wont want to forgo their holiday.:wavey:

[Shaun]

I can understand reluctance with the vaccine in the terms of it supposedly only being effective on 90% of the population... but otherwise I don't see any room for scepticism. Has there ever even been a case of a vaccine being rushed out with adverse side effects? Certainly never on this scale, but even on a smaller one?

(And please don't unleash the anti-vaxxers, I'm open to real concerns but not going down the road of GOVERNMENT CHIPS, BLEACHING OUR DNA, EVERYONE GETS AUTISM hysteria)

[Niamh.]

how long do you wish to wait?

I don't know, I would rather wait a year or two but that may not be possible, I'll just see what happens, people can barely plan a week in advance these days :shrug:

[Niamh.]

I can understand reluctance with the vaccine in the terms of it supposedly only being effective on 90% of the population... but otherwise I don't see any room for scepticism. Has there ever even been a case of a vaccine being rushed out with adverse side effects? Certainly never on this scale, but even on a smaller one?

(And please don't unleash the anti-vaxxers, I'm open to real concerns but not going down the road of GOVERNMENT CHIPS, BLEACHING OUR DNA, EVERYONE GETS AUTISM hysteria)

I honestly don't remember a vaccine being rushed out like this before in my lifetime. There was the Swine Flu one and like I said a Doctor friend of my mother actually said he wasn't going to be giving it to his kids. Luckily that seemed to just die off and it never really became a necessity for everyone to have one.

***I am generally very Pro vaccine, I'm absolutely for a vaccine for this of course, I'm just a bit nervous about it because it was so fast coming out

[Calderyon]

If it's proven 100% safe, yes.

[bots]

i don't think people being cautious of the vaccine is unreasonable, we all want to know that it won't cause any nasty side effects

[Crimson Dynamo]

My daughter just said that some of her pals are like "ooh i want to be sure its safe" but they are more than happy to sniff a line of Horse tranquilliser off a weatherspoons bog cistern on a Thursday night

:joker:

[bots]

brazil halted testing of the chinese vaccine today because of serious issues. If it was halted there it must have been really bad

[UserSince2005]

brazil halted testing of the chinese vaccine today because of serious issues. If it was halted there it must have been really bad

selling yourselves to be China's guinea pigs, disgusting, there must be national uproar?

[Vanessa]

So far the vaccine hasn't had any serious side effects.
So I think that's very promising.

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1325814283763130368

good news for me and others in the EU

[Jessica.]

Yes, I'd prefer to risk the side effects of a vaccine than to risk passing covid onto someone vulnerable.

[Beso]

I wasn’t allowed to say anything until today, but it's now okay for me to share that I have volunteered for the Covid-19 vaccine trials that Imperial College are running in partnership with Oxford University. It's important that we all do our part to beat this virus. The vaccine is the one that has been developed in Russia. I received my first dose this morning 06:20 am, and I wanted to let you all know that it’s completely safe, with иo side effects whatsoeveя, and that I feelshκι я чувю себя немного стрно и я думю, что вытл осные уши. чувству себя немго страо

[reece(:]

I have a fear of needles, in addition to that am in my 20s and have no underlying health issues, so no. And I'm not anti vaccines.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I wasn’t allowed to say anything until today, but it's now okay for me to share that I have volunteered for the Covid-19 vaccine trials that Imperial College are running in partnership with Oxford University. It's important that we all do our part to beat this virus. The vaccine is the one that has been developed in Russia. I received my first dose this morning 06:20 am, and I wanted to let you all know that it’s completely safe, with иo side effects whatsoeveя, and that I feelshκι я чувю себя немного стрно и я думю, что вытл осные уши. чувству себя немго страо

:joker:

[joeysteele]

I'd like to see more data on it myself.

There's a lot they seem unsure of as to it yet.
Offered at this point, I'd likely refuse.

It's for each person offered it to decide for themselves obviously.
However, I'm naturally cautious anyway.

The more positives that come from the trials of it however, will really decide its safety.

[Vanessa]

I have a chronic illness that puts me at risk, So I will definitely take it.

[DouglasS]

I wasn’t allowed to say anything until today, but it's now okay for me to share that I have volunteered for the Covid-19 vaccine trials that Imperial College are running in partnership with Oxford University. It's important that we all do our part to beat this virus. The vaccine is the one that has been developed in Russia. I received my first dose this morning 06:20 am, and I wanted to let you all know that it’s completely safe, with иo side effects whatsoeveя, and that I feelshκι я чувю себя немного стрно и я думю, что вытл осные уши. чувству себя немго страо

:laugh:

[Cherie]

I wasn’t allowed to say anything until today, but it's now okay for me to share that I have volunteered for the Covid-19 vaccine trials that Imperial College are running in partnership with Oxford University. It's important that we all do our part to beat this virus. The vaccine is the one that has been developed in Russia. I received my first dose this morning 06:20 am, and I wanted to let you all know that it’s completely safe, with иo side effects whatsoeveя, and that I feelshκι я чувю себя немного стрно и я думю, что вытл осные уши. чувству себя немго страо

:laugh:

[MTVN]

My daughter just said that some of her pals are like "ooh i want to be sure its safe" but they are more than happy to sniff a line of Horse tranquilliser off a weatherspoons bog cistern on a Thursday night

:joker:

:joker:

[MTVN]

If it passes all the very strenuous measures that it needs to then I don't see why I should second guess it just based on an instinctive unease

Yeah it's quick but there's been no comparison in history to the global effort that has been made to find a vaccine for this thing. There's never been the urgency, never been the resources, never been the technology and never been the shared determination across so many governments and companies

[LaLaLand]

By the time I’m eligible (the last group to have it) I’ll probably know what I need to know about side effects etc hopefully and make my mind up then.

If it’s all good - I’ll get it, purely because I’m desperate to travel in the next year or two.

[Mitchell]

I’ve got nothing to lose really

[user104658]

I can understand reluctance with the vaccine in the terms of it supposedly only being effective on 90% of the population... but otherwise I don't see any room for scepticism. Has there ever even been a case of a vaccine being rushed out with adverse side effects? Certainly never on this scale, but even on a smaller one?

(And please don't unleash the anti-vaxxers, I'm open to real concerns but not going down the road of GOVERNMENT CHIPS, BLEACHING OUR DNA, EVERYONE GETS AUTISM hysteria)90% effectiveness is actually quite high, despite what anti-anti-vax propaganda would have you believe (i.e. that 99%+ effectiveness is normal).

Anything over 70% should be good enough to trigger herd immunity, as it will push the R easily to under 1 which should be enough for the rest to more or less take care of itself. In theory.

Anything over 50% should also work, if combined with continued basic social distancing and hygiene measures.

[Samm]

I wasn’t allowed to say anything until today, but it's now okay for me to share that I have volunteered for the Covid-19 vaccine trials that Imperial College are running in partnership with Oxford University. It's important that we all do our part to beat this virus. The vaccine is the one that has been developed in Russia. I received my first dose this morning 06:20 am, and I wanted to let you all know that it’s completely safe, with иo side effects whatsoeveя, and that I feelshκι я чувю себя немного стрно и я думю, что вытл осные уши. чувству себя немго страо

right.

[Cherie]

My daughter just said that some of her pals are like "ooh i want to be sure its safe" but they are more than happy to sniff a line of Horse tranquilliser off a weatherspoons bog cistern on a Thursday night

:joker:

:laugh:

its a good point, when we go to the GP, they shove some antibiotic at us which can have side affects but we take it anyway

[Cherie]

Im not sure I would get offered it, as I am in my early 20's so I doubt it but then again my job is basically working directly with the vulnerable so who knows.

I wouldn't want to be first in line but if it means I can help others I'd do it.

As a care worker you are first in line Amy!

[Mystic Mock]

I'll take the vaccine if it's tested and proven.

Same here tbh.

[user104658]

:laugh:

its a good point, when we go to the GP, they shove some antibiotic at us which can have side affects but we take it anyway

Weeell it's rare that the GP would give you something that hasn't been around for several years AND that hasn't undergone years of testing before release - that's sort of the point. There are some meds with nasty side effects but usually you'd already have an illness that makes the side effects worth it whereas the Covid vaccine will be given to healthy people so it's not really the same.

The illegal drugs example of course, putting any illegal drug into your system is always going to be 1000+ times more dangerous than a vaccine... especially because half the time it's not just the drug, they're cut with all sorts of **** like cleaning products. There's been a recent spate of heroin being cut with cement powder :umm2:.

[Cherie]

Weeell it's rare that the GP would give you something that hasn't been around for several years AND that hasn't undergone years of testing before release - that's sort of the point. There are some meds with nasty side effects but usually you'd already have an illness that makes the side effects worth it whereas the Covid vaccine will be given to healthy people so it's not really the same.

The illegal drugs example of course, putting any illegal drug into your system is always going to be 1000+ times more dangerous than a vaccine... especially because half the time it's not just the drug, they're cut with all sorts of **** like cleaning products. There's been a recent spate of heroin being cut with cement powder :umm2:.

yes but the point is no one knows how they will react individually if you have never had it before

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: we are more experimenting with antibodies in blood plasma again, to make you temporary immune, just to win more time until the vaccine is ready next year

so doctors here urgently call those who had the virus, moment when recovered first day to go donate some of that blood

[user104658]

yes but the point is no one knows how they will react individually if you have never had it before

Also true - my eldest has an ibuprofen allergy, which was a bit scary the first (and only) time she had ibuprofen. She came up in red hives all over her back and stomach. Luckily just the rash not a more severe reaction.

[Cherie]

Also true - my eldest has an ibuprofen allergy, which was a bit scary the first (and only) time she had ibuprofen. She came up in red hives all over her back and stomach. Luckily just the rash not a more severe reaction.

I had the same a few years back, my GP gave me an antibiotic I had never had before and the day I finished it I came out in hives on my arms and legs, horrific :laugh:

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1326450857966247937

our president of the EU Commission Ursula von der Leyen, has a meeting today among the topics ''authorising a contract with BioNTech-Pfizer to secure the Covid-19 Vaccine

[Crimson Dynamo]

we take all sorts of stuff that is unproven and hazardous

sweetener, palm oil, alu in aerosols, perfumes, plastics, non stick pans, shower curtains etc

this "i will wait" malarkey ignores all the things we happily use that will be looked back on in 30 years like we look at smoking now

[Zizu]

selling yourselves to be China's guinea pigs, disgusting, there must be national uproar?



When were they given this vaccine , do we know ?

It’s just that I heard something on Sky News about it only being a week which is NOTHING in my book.. . they could have been talking about a different one though .


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[Zizu]

Yes, I'd prefer to risk the side effects of a vaccine than to risk passing covid onto someone vulnerable.



Surely that depends on the side effects ??

Also I get that they’ve thrown loads of money and man hours into these vaccines BUT there is no way we can possibly know the long term effects for some considerable time UNLESS they’ve also developed a flamin time machine .


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