If You lived in the USA would you have a gun?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Would you?

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[Niamh.]

Definitely not

[thesheriff443]

Just one?

[Nicky91]

No

[The Slim Reaper]

You're far more likely to be killed as a gunowner, either via accident or intent, than you would ever be to use the gun for self defence.

[LeatherTrumpet]

I would have a Ruger LCP. 10 rounds in the magazine. I would also train to use it.

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[Niamh.]

You're far more likely to be killed as a gunowner, either via accident or intent, than you would ever be to use the gun for self defence.

Not to mention kids who have shot themselves or other people with their parents guns

[thesheriff443]

You're far more likely to be killed as a gunowner, either via accident or intent, than you would ever be to use the gun for self defence.

Just make sure you’re holding it the right way round.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Not to mention kids who have shot themselves or other people with their parents guns

that is poor parenting/storage.

[Niamh.]

that is poor parenting/storage.

tell that to the dead child

[LeatherTrumpet]

tell that to the dead child

impossible as the child is dead due to poor parenting/storage

[Kate!]

no. Definitely not.

[Niamh.]

impossible as the child is dead due to poor parenting/storage

Not really much point in posting on this topic if you're not actually intent on having a real discussion about it

[thesheriff443]

Not really much point in posting on this topic if you're not actually intent on having a real discussion about it

It’s really about would you own a gun not the reasons not to own one.

[Niamh.]

It’s really about would you own a gun not the reasons not to own one.

That isn't what the title suggests, it asks if you would buy a gun if you could not what gun would you buy but whatever I'll leave you gun experts to it then.......

[Mitchell]

No, and they shouldn’t be allowed either.

[thesheriff443]

That isn't what the title suggests, it asks if you would buy a gun if you could not what gun would you buy but whatever I'll leave you gun experts to it then.......

It’s about owning a gun not buying one.

[Liam-]

Big no from me

[Niamh.]

It’s about owning a gun not buying one.

Oh so it is about owning a gun but you're only allowed to answer with a Yes or a No, no elaborating allowed? He should have specified that in the OP then.

[parmnion]

I would have a selection of about 4 probably...

[thesheriff443]

Oh so it is about owning a gun but you're only allowed to answer with a Yes or a No, no elaborating allowed? He should have specified that in the OP then.

You wanted him to debate with you on the subject by adding the fact kids get killed by guns

He challenged your argument with his opinion that bad parenting lead to the child’s death.

[Niamh.]

You wanted him to debate with you on the subject by adding the fact kids get killed by guns

He challenged your argument with his opinion that bad parenting lead to the child’s death.

Why are you telling me what the conversation I had a couple of minutes ago was? I haven't forgotten

[The Slim Reaper]

You wanted him to debate with you on the subject by adding the fact kids get killed by guns

He challenged your argument with his opinion that bad parenting lead to the child’s death.

That's not really challenging Niamhs point, it was shifting the blame. Challenging her point would have required him to post a counter point, he didn't.

[smudgie]

Yes.

[Cherie]

I think its a really difficult question for people who live here to answer, if we were brought up and it was normal to have one, and you saw them in Walmart every day I guess I might as it would be pretty much normalised.

as someone brought up in Ireland then no

[The Slim Reaper]

I think its a really difficult question for people who live here to answer, if we were brought up and it was normal to have one, and you saw them in Walmart every day I guess I might as it would be pretty much normalised.

as someone brought up in Ireland then no

What if we change the title to bombs? :smug:

[Niamh.]

I think its a really difficult question for people who live here to answer, if we were brought up and it was normal to have one, and you saw them in Walmart every day I guess I might as it would be pretty much normalised.

as someone brought up in Ireland then no

Also depends on the state though, gun ownership on the East coast for example is very low compared to the Southern States

[Niamh.]

What if we change the title to bombs? :smug:

:oh:

[Cherie]

Also depends on the state though, gun ownership on the East coast for example is very low compared to the Southern States

That is what I mean, if it was normal in the state I was brought up in :shrug:

[GoldHeart]

No way

[Kizzy]

Nope

[Swan]

Maybe, guns have never interested me though. Most places there wouldn't be much need for one really. America's relationship with guns is something i'll never understand though. I know it's in their constitution, and that many, many gun owners are responsible people, but some of the laws and regulations in certain states is nothing than draconian.

It also comes down to the type of gun too. No one needs to own AK-49's or any type of semi automatic assault rifles. I can understand someone carrying a small handgun for protection though, depending on job/time/where they work etc.

[Ammi]

...no, I would never own a gun....

[Cherie]

What if we change the title to bombs? :smug:

you kinda proved my point, it was normal to hear about bombings on the news when I grew up

[AnnieK]

When I lived in the States the family I worked for were from New York state and as such did not own a gun. We moved to South Carolina where guns were commonplace. I remember first getting into a friends car and there was a small pistol on the dashboard (they have non-concealment laws there). You soon become desensitised to seeing them.

I personally would not own one

[bitontheslide]

the way i look at it is in a similar view to knives. People are stabbed regularly in the UK, but i would never carry a knife for protection

[thesheriff443]

That's not really challenging Niamhs point, it was shifting the blame. Challenging her point would have required him to post a counter point, he didn't.

You mean like Niamh shifting from owning a gun to using dead kids as a reason for not owning one

[UserSince2005]

Hell yes, they'd call me the lone ranger

[thesheriff443]

Kid kills them selves accidentally with dads gun
Kid drowns in the bath while mum is on the phone, it’s the parents fault in both cases not the gun or the bath waters fault.

[Niamh.]

You mean like Niamh shifting from owning a gun to using dead kids as a reason for not owning one

hang on a second there now Sheriff, Slim made a point about statistics around gun deaths in the USA, I quoted him and added to his point and then LT quoted me carrying on the conversation about children, I didn't see you picking up on Slim when it was actually him who was the first person to talk about the reasons why he wouldn't own a gun. My first reply in this thread was "No definitely not" I then got into a conversation with slim about why not which LT chose to join..........but it's me "using dead kids as a reason for not owning one" using dead kids ffs

[Glenn.]

Kid kills them selves accidentally with dads gun
Kid drowns in the bath while mum is on the phone, it’s the parents fault in both cases not the gun or the bath waters fault.

One of the examples you have included wouldn’t be possible without the ownership of a gun. A gun isn’t an essential must have item for your home.

[arista]

Yes Armed Response
is Essential.

[arista]

...no, I would never own a gun....


But in your home
say it was in Harlem
one hand gun hidden in your kitchen draw.
Would save you from being attacked and robbed,
if criminals broke in.


I would pay for the Gun
to keep you alive

[AnnieK]

But in your home
say it was in Harlem
one hand gun hidden in your kitchen draw.
Would save you from being attacked and robbed,
if criminals broke in.


I would pay for the Gun
to keep you alive

That gun will only save you if you know how to shoot it though. Many Americans own guns but have no clue how to operate them properly or shoot them correctly. Having a gun does not mean that you will not get shot - in fact as Slim said it is more likely that you WILL get shot it you brandish a firearm

[The Slim Reaper]

But in your home
say it was in Harlem
one hand gun hidden in your kitchen draw.
Would save you from being attacked and robbed,
if criminals broke in.


I would pay for the Gun
to keep you alive

Life isn't a GTA cutscene. :laugh:

[Toy Soldier]

With kids in the house, no...

...otherwise, in all honesty, it depends on the state.

[Oliver_W]

Hard to answer really. Being raised in a different country, each of our individual "me"s would have different outlooks on some things.

I'd certainly carry a taser or something, if not a gun. When I had to go Birmingham once I borrowed my friend's imported taser thing , because ... Birmingham :joker: But thankfully I didn't need to use it.

[LeatherTrumpet]

That gun will only save you if you know how to shoot it though. Many Americans own guns but have no clue how to operate them properly or shoot them correctly. Having a gun does not mean that you will not get shot - in fact as Slim said it is more likely that you WILL get shot it you brandish a firearm

This is why every large conurbation has many training facilities and gun clubs so that when the balloon goes up you rely on your training.


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[LeatherTrumpet]

even the lbgtq's are at it

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[Tom4784]

It's a difficult question to answer with a UK perspective, tbh. The idea of owning guns is ridiculous to us, but then we weren't raised in a gun-worshipping culture. I dislike guns immensely so I'd think I wouldn't have them.

[Tom4784]

Kid kills them selves accidentally with dads gun
Kid drowns in the bath while mum is on the phone, it’s the parents fault in both cases not the gun or the bath waters fault.

That's a silly argument. The accident shooting death would only happen if there was a gun in the house in the first place, you can't really avoid water.

You can certainly blame a parent for poor storage of a gun if a child gets their hands on it, but the fact is if they didn't have a gun, it wouldn't be an issue. Your example is apples and oranges.

[LeatherTrumpet]

That's a silly argument. The accident shooting death would only happen if there was a gun in the house in the first place, you can't really avoid water.

You can certainly blame a parent for poor storage of a gun if a child gets their hands on it, but the fact is if they didn't have a gun, it wouldn't be an issue. Your example is apples and oranges.

you can make the same argument with any swimming pool - in fact i think the numbers of kids who accidentally drown in pools is higher than being accidentally shot by a poorly stored handgun per annum

[thesheriff443]

That's a silly argument. The accident shooting death would only happen if there was a gun in the house in the first place, you can't really avoid water.

You can certainly blame a parent for poor storage of a gun if a child gets their hands on it, but the fact is if they didn't have a gun, it wouldn't be an issue. Your example is apples and oranges.
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If a parent never had a bath but a shower then the kid can’t drown in the bath.

I didn’t bring kids into this debate as a reason not to own a gun Niamh did.

And then said to lt tell that to the dead kid, but that statement defy’s logic.

And it’s not even an argument, have a gun don’t have one I don’t care either way.

[Niamh.]

I didn't realise you would take a figure of speech so literally Sheriff. Luckily I wasn't talking to you though at the time.

[thesheriff443]

I didn't realise you would take a figure of speech so literally Sheriff. Luckily I wasn't talking to you though at the time.

Sorry didn’t realise I can only post to a direct post.

[parmnion]

That's a silly argument. The accident shooting death would only happen if there was a gun in the house in the first place, you can't really avoid water.

You can certainly blame a parent for poor storage of a gun if a child gets their hands on it, but the fact is if they didn't have a gun, it wouldn't be an issue. Your example is apples and oranges.

The parent will always be blamed for poor storage if a child does get thier hands on it.:shrug:

And a parent will be seen as a man or woman defending thier children if they use it.:shrug:

[parmnion]

And can you add the word tank, to the title please LT

[Glenn.]

M
If a parent never had a bath but a shower then the kid can’t drown in the bath

So you agree that if there were no guns in the house a fatal accident involving a gun cannot happen...

[GoldHeart]

I think its a really difficult question for people who live here to answer, if we were brought up and it was normal to have one, and you saw them in Walmart every day I guess I might as it would be pretty much normalised.

as someone brought up in Ireland then no

I understand what you're saying Cherie , as if any of us were born and grew up in America it would definitely be normal to see guns in regular shops and have easy access and maybe think "ahh why not buy one for myself" .

But i personally still don't think i'd ever want to buy a gun or feel the need to to want one , i'd rather invest in other things like a home security system .

[Cherie]

I understand what you're saying Cherie , as if any of us were born and grew up in America it would definitely be normal to see guns in regular shops and have easy access and maybe think "ahh why not buy one for myself" .

But i personally still don't think i'd ever want to buy a gun or feel the need to to want one , i'd rather invest in other things like a home security system .

I tend to agree with you Goldie, I can never imagine myself firing a gun at someone

[thesheriff443]

So you agree that if there were no guns in the house a fatal accident involving a gun cannot happen...

Considering on average a child dies every five days in America from choking on food the risk of a child being killed by their parents gun is very low.

A home is full of every day objects that can kill a child.

[thesheriff443]

I tend to agree with you Goldie, I can never imagine myself firing a gun at someone

But you are trigger happy when it comes to using your death stare :joker:

[Cherie]

But you are trigger happy when it comes to using your death stare :joker:

:smug:

[GoldHeart]

I tend to agree with you Goldie, I can never imagine myself firing a gun at someone

Exactly plus what if it got in the wrong hands , or if you accidentally fired it . I don't know the first thing about using a gun and wouldn't feel comfortable.

[Ammi]

... I read that in 2019...three in ten American citizens own a gun...so seven out of ten people who actually do live there in that ‘armed world of danger’...still choose not to arm themselves with a death weapon...although that three in ten still translates to a huge amount of people...it still seems a minority mind set to be gun owning...

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[LeatherTrumpet]

Gun ownership in the USA rose 70% in March i think i am right in saying

[Ammi]

...another interesting thing I’m reading is that a gun owned is much more likely to be stolen by someone than it is to be used in any ‘self defence’ situation....

[LeatherTrumpet]

...another interesting thing I’m reading is that a gun owned is much more likely to be stolen by someone than it is to be used in any ‘self defence’ situation....

how many times have nuclear powers used their bombs since 1945?

[Gusto Brunt]

Probably, yes. only because thieves and burglars carry guns in the USA.

Largely, in the UK, they don't.

[The Slim Reaper]

how many times have nuclear powers used their bombs since 1945?

What are you on about?

[Amy Jade]

No.

[MTVN]

... I read that in 2019...three in ten American citizens own a gun...so seven out of ten people who actually do live there in that ‘armed world of danger’...still choose not to arm themselves with a death weapon...although that three in ten still translates to a huge amount of people...it still seems a minority mind set to be gun owning...

I guess that varies quite heavily by area, there's probably little gun ownership in many cities where restrictions are a lot tighter but I'd expect its more like a majority in the south

I don't think I'd own one but I did quite enjoy shooting a couple for the first time this year at a Texas gun range. Felt slightly strange to see a load of people casually strolling around with firearms but it's just totally normal to them. 'Ready to get a taste of freedom huh guys' was how the bloke greeted us, ten minute 'safety briefing' which we were too hungover to take in properly then we were left to it

[The Slim Reaper]

I guess that varies quite heavily by area, there's probably little gun ownership in many cities where restrictions are a lot tighter but I'd expect its more like a majority in the south

I don't think I'd own one but I did quite enjoy shooting a couple for the first time this year at a Texas gun range. Felt slightly strange to see a load of people casually strolling around with firearms but it's just totally normal to them. 'Ready to get a taste of freedom huh guys' was how the bloke greeted us, ten minute 'safety briefing' which we were too hungover to take in properly then we were left to it

Matt admitting to murder is the perfect way to round off 2020.

[MTVN]

Didn't say they died, it was my first time after all :shame:

[Cherie]

Matt admitting to murder is the perfect way to round off 2020.

:joker:

[LeatherTrumpet]

Matt admitting to murder is the perfect way to round off 2020.

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