Doctor Who - Season 13

[Scarlett.]

Series 13 has begun filming (https://www.comingsoon.net/tv/news/1154643-bbc-americas-doctor-who-begins-filming-season-13), and it will be 8 episodes long, due to COVID (https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/a34645768/doctor-who-series-13-shorter-filming-starts/)

[Oliver_W]

Ehh, it's hard to get overly excited about it anymore with how mediocre the last two seasons have been, especially if the rumours about the only good companion (Graham) having gone are true...

But whatever, mediocre Dr Who is better than none :)

[Glenn.]

I’ve noticed the DS Article about it only names Mandip to be returning

[Scarlett.]

I’ve noticed the DS Article about it only names Mandip to be returning

Probably a good thing, having a whole TARDIS team to film during the pandemic would be much harder

[Oliver_W]

She's a very likeable actress so on paper she's the best choice to stay if there has to be only one companion for Covid reasons, and I hope that only having the one companion to focus on means she's given some actual characterisation :)

[Headie]

This queen better return to take over

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/tardis/images/3/31/Ruth_Doctor_in_the_Matrix_%28TTC%29.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/340?cb=20200312235757

[Scarlett.]

She's a very likeable actress so on paper she's the best choice to stay if there has to be only one companion for Covid reasons, and I hope that only having the one companion to focus on means she's given some actual characterisation :)

Agreed, thats been the real problem with Chibnall's run, there is just too many characters. Hopefully with just the Doc and Yas we can get some characterisation for both of them

[Morgan.]

I’ve noticed the DS Article about it only names Mandip to be returning

I think it’s been speculated for a whole now that Bradley and Tosin are set to bow out in the festive special.

[Scarlett.]

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[Scarlett.]

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[Glenn.]

****ing New Year’s Day again.

[Scarlett.]

I dont get why he dropped the Christmas eps

[Denver]

I dont get why he dropped the Christmas eps

Because there is no room in the schedule

[Scarlett.]

Because there is no room in the schedule

There would have been if he never stopped doing the Christmas eps to begin with xD

[Denver]

There would have been if he never stopped doing the Christmas eps to begin with xD

Its hard to see where it fits in with the Strictky, Call The Midwife and Easyenders Trilogy from tea time unless they put it on at 4

[Glenn.]

Eastenders is on three times Christmas Day?

[Jarrod]

Pretty sure it was Chibnall's request to move DW from Christmas to New Year?

[Tom4784]

It looks fine enough in the trailer but you know it'll be a heap of ****. Chibnall is killing this series. I can see it being axed in a series or two if they don't **** him off.

[Marsh.]

Its hard to see where it fits in with the Strictky, Call The Midwife and Easyenders Trilogy from tea time unless they put it on at 4

This makes no sense. Doctor Who aired for years alongside all three of those shows. There's only no space for it now because they chose to remove it.

[Marsh.]

Having said that, I don't see the issue with NYD. It's fine airing on that date.

[user104658]

I didn't actually hate the last two seasons in the end - I think they improved in general, although... I low-key hate the "the doctor isn't actually just a time lord and is some otherworldly god-like thing" plot line. I hope they retcon it and it turns out to be some sort of Master-related elaborate prank/scam.

Speaking of the master... I also still don't understand what happened there. What happened to Missy turning good(ish)? Is the most recent Master actually pre-missy? There's an in-universe explanation for that if it's the case I think... We know from "doctor meeting Doctor" that the younger versions don't remember events from these meetings, e.g. Smith would remember meeting Tennant but Tennant wouldn't remember meeting Smith SO (in theory), The Simmster wouldn't remember the events at the end of Capaldi's run, because his and Missy's timelines crossed, meaning he would forget all of it as soon as he left... So the new one could be post-Simm but pre-Missy and would know nothing about Missy or the newfound antihero status.

Still. Very poorly explained. I feel like they just wanted him to be a villain again and glossed over it, which is lazy af. 1330965844982116356I think this was a given after his brief cameo last season; it sort of foreshadowed a full appearance and also, love him or hate him, I believe there was an associated ratings boost for that ep.

[user104658]

Oh also yes the TARDIS is overstuffed with 3 companions, it just didn't work. Two seems to be the upper limit. Doctor-Rose-Jack was fine as dynamic, as was Doctor-Amy-Rory. And even Capaldoctor-Bill-Nardole was OK although its not my fav era.

Although in each case a duo is established BEFORE adding the third wheel.

You can also have an occasional extra member in the mix. River Song, Missy etc... But a permanent ensemble cast is too much for a show that at the end of the day revolves around one central character. Takes too much of the focus.

[Marsh.]

I didn't actually hate the last two seasons in the end - I think they improved in general, although... I low-key hate the "the doctor isn't actually just a time lord and is some otherworldly god-like thing" plot line. I hope they retcon it and it turns out to be some sort of Master-related elaborate prank/scam.

Tbf, apart from the twist that she is the origin of the Time Lord's ability to regenerate it's no different to how both RTD and Moffat treated the character, like he/she was the most important being in the entire universe.

[Marsh.]

Oh also yes the TARDIS is overstuffed with 3 companions, it just didn't work. Two seems to be the upper limit. Doctor-Rose-Jack was fine as dynamic, as was Doctor-Amy-Rory. And even Capaldoctor-Bill-Nardole was OK although its not my fav era.

Although in each case a duo is established BEFORE adding the third wheel.

You can also have an occasional extra member in the mix. River Song, Missy etc... But a permanent ensemble cast is too much for a show that at the end of the day revolves around one central character. Takes too much of the focus.

Yeah, I agree with this. Especially when you end up with 3 paper thin companions with not a single fleshed out character arc for any of them.

[Glenn.]

I actually didn’t mind the Timeless Child revelation.

[Marsh.]

Yeah, my only issue with it is that I don't see Chibs doing anything creative with it. It'll probably be left at "Yeah, that's kind of it". He has a lot of "moments" without much story around them.

[Scarlett.]

Spoilers
Revolution of the Daleks will also be the end of the road for ‘the fam’ as Bradley Walsh (Graham) and Tosin Cole (Ryan) depart the show. Both joined the show back in 2017 and have starred in series 11, 12 and the previous special Resolution. With the Daleks back, the Doctor locked away and the stakes higher than ever prepare to say some emotional goodbyes.

From the BBC themselves

[Morgan.]

Spoilers
Revolution of the Daleks will also be the end of the road for ‘the fam’ as Bradley Walsh (Graham) and Tosin Cole (Ryan) depart the show. Both joined the show back in 2017 and have starred in series 11, 12 and the previous special Resolution. With the Daleks back, the Doctor locked away and the stakes higher than ever prepare to say some emotional goodbyes.

From the BBC themselves

*pretends to be shocked*

[Nicky91]

cannot wait :dance:

[Scarlett.]

I'm glad they're cutting down on the main cast, hopefully it will give this Doctor and Yas more time to grow

[Oliver_W]

It's a shame to be losing Bradders, he's been the best thing about this run of Who...

[Scarlett.]

It's a shame to be losing Bradders, he's been the best thing about this run of Who...

I agree, he's a great actor and it will be a loss, but Yas has the most potential out of all of them I feel. I hope this isn't the end-end, and we might see him making guest appearances

[Scarlett.]

Decent episode, some good callbacks.

John Bishop apparently joining the show for next season

The way Jack's story ended makes me think Torchwood might return?

[Joe.]

Do you know what I really enjoyed it, kinda glad they didnt go for obvious exterminations of Graham and Ryan but glad to be rid of them. Hilarious they are replacing Graham with John Bishop playing John Bishop ����Jack was fantastic and loved the nods to Rose/Gwen. The continuity bugs me- like these ‘defense drones’ literally invaded earth multiple times! Also loved the new Dalek design but they were wiped out on the bridge so easily ������

Kinda ship The Doc/Yaz ��

[Marsh.]

Do you know what I really enjoyed it, kinda glad they didnt go for obvious exterminations of Graham and Ryan but glad to be rid of them.

Is that obvious? Doctor Who very rarely kills its main cast.

[Joe.]

Is that obvious? Doctor Who very rarely kills its main cast.

I know this but would have been nice/different.

[Tom4784]

It was one of Chibnall's better episodes but also indicative of why his era of Doctor Who is mostly terrible, he cannot write and it's a mystery to me how he has a career doing just that.

His characters are not organic and he writes them as functions for the plot. Ryan's character is the worst offender for this since he has no personality and he's often just there for plot convenience. He also breaks a golden rule in that characters serve the plot when really the character has to work around the characters. Characters regularly do dumb things to service the plot.

He's also really bad at dialogue, like, this is Secondary School creative writing level of bad.

It's a shame that Jodie Whitaker is being wasted on such boring and uncreative material.

[Oliver_W]

There was a fair amount of showing not telling going on.

Why did they give Ryan extended scenes where he was meant to show emotion? Watching that poor bloke floundering around trying to act was just embarrassing...

It was awesome to see Captain Jack again, though he seemed to just randomly disappear!

The trailer thing got me all excited, I thought John Bishop was gonna be the next Doc :joker: That'd be awesome in a weird way, but I'm sure he'll be good as "the new Bradley" character.

[arista]

Decent episode, some good callbacks.

John Bishop apparently joining the show for next season

The way Jack's story ended makes me think Torchwood might return?



Yes Comedy Actor John Bishop
got Covid-19 on Xmas Day.

[arista]

Darleks can Fly?


No they can not.

Pathetic story.

[Morgan.]

Darleks can Fly?


No they can not.

Pathetic story.

Arista they’ve been able to fly since at least the start of the reboot in 2005, this is nothing new.

[Oliver_W]

Darleks can Fly?


No they can not.

Pathetic story.

Arista they’ve been able to fly since at least the start of the reboot in 2005, this is nothing new.

They even flew in a story from before the old run ended!

Doc Seven saw a Dalek in a basement, and almost exasperatedly ran up a flight of stairs, and the cliffhanger ending was it started to fly up to follow him.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqrFi6gXYAArd4f?format=jpg&name=small


Lets hope his Covid-19 does not get him in Hospital

[arista]

Arista they’ve been able to fly since at least the start of the reboot in 2005, this is nothing new.


Fair Enough
it looks cheap.

[Oliver_W]

it looks cheap.
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[Scarlett.]

Darleks can Fly?


No they can not.

Pathetic story.

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[arista]

Yes better days

[Headie]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/571038619989442621/794927633460101130/unknown.png?width=760&height=427

The way she saved the show omg

[Tom4784]

There was a fair amount of showing not telling going on.

Why did they give Ryan extended scenes where he was meant to show emotion? Watching that poor bloke floundering around trying to act was just embarrassing...

It was awesome to see Captain Jack again, though he seemed to just randomly disappear!

The trailer thing got me all excited, I thought John Bishop was gonna be the next Doc :joker: That'd be awesome in a weird way, but I'm sure he'll be good as "the new Bradley" character.

It's the opposite way around really, Chibnall relies too much on obvious signposting and exposition. Showing, not telling would be an improvement.

A lot of his writing really feels like he writes a first draft and then signs off on it. A first draft lacks detail, characters can be more like outlines of what they should be rather than embodying things like that and you put details and layers to the writing in subsequent drafts. It's just.... very childish, lazy writing.

Yeah, Toisin Cole is a woeful actor, not like anyone would be able to do much with the material he was given but he always sounded like he was reading from an autocue.

[Tom4784]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/571038619989442621/794927633460101130/unknown.png?width=760&height=427

The way she saved the show omg

Honestly, it should have been her and Graham in the Tardis with Yaz.

[Headie]

So glad to see the back of Ryan and never have to hear his dodgy accent again

[Nicky91]

i totally missed this

[Scarlett.]

Yes better days

While that was a good arc, I wouldn't say it was better days, as the show was cancelled shortly after

[Marsh.]

So glad to see the back of Ryan and never have to hear his dodgy accent again

:joker:

[Marsh.]

There was a fair amount of showing not telling going on.

That's as it should be.

Chibnall relies far too much on telling, not showing.

[Oliver_W]

That's as it should be.

Chibnall relies far too much on telling, not showing.
It's the opposite way around really, Chibnall relies too much on obvious signposting and exposition. Showing, not telling would be an improvement

****, I didn't notice I said that backwards :joker: