Jeremy Corbyn is back in the Labour Party (but no whip)

[arista]

A panel has looked at his case



[Jeremy Corbyn has been reinstated to Labour after being suspended
for his response to a report into antisemitism]

https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-reinstated-to-labour-after-suspension-over-response-to-antisemitism-report-12134951

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54976558

[Elliot]

King

[Beso]

Urghh..can the anti semitic old fart just bury himself in his back garden and give us all peace.

[Black Dagger]

Took them ****ing long enough.

[Liam-]

It was a travesty he was suspended in the first place

[GoldHeart]

Just had to see it on news to confirm it wow :clap1:.

Poor guy has been through so much crap , he must be relieved.

If it was me I'm not sure I'd go back after being thrown under the bus and dragged through the mud.

[DouglasS]

Looks like they take anybody

[Crimson Dynamo]

the main reason they lost the last election?

wow talk about self flagellation

[bots]

he would be well advised to keep his head down and his mouth shut from this point forward

[The Slim Reaper]

he would be well advised to keep his head down and his mouth shut from this point forward

Why? He said absolutely nothing wrong. That's why the anti semitism lies were propagated in the first place, to shut him up.

[bots]

Why? He said absolutely nothing wrong.

keep telling yourself that

[The Slim Reaper]

keep telling yourself that

I don't have to. Tell me what he did wrong.

[arista]

he would be well advised to keep his head down and his mouth shut from this point forward


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[Elliot]

he would be well advised to keep his head down and his mouth shut from this point forward

What bs he didn’t do anything wrong

[Beso]

Hes a crazy conspiracy theorist....a rather evil and nasty conspiracy he believes in as well..

Bloke needs locking up for his own good.

[The Slim Reaper]

Hes a crazy conspiracy theorist....a rather evil and nasty conspiracy he believes in as well..

Bloke needs locking up for his own good.

Such as...?

[Beso]

Such as...?

The jews having all the money in the world

[The Slim Reaper]

The jews having all the money in the world

I'm going to need a citation for your lie.

[Beso]

I'm going to need a citation for your lie.



Ask his brother

[The Slim Reaper]

Although there is a leader of a political party that wrote a book (there's your source), and in it, he describes a Jewish character as having a proud nose, is stingy, and takes advantage of immigrants for money. You're not going to believe me when I tell you who it is though.

[The Slim Reaper]

Ask his brother

Parm you're just bull****ting to try and get a reaction.

[Zizu]

So Starmer can’t be trusted ...


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[Beso]

Parm you're just bull****ting to try and get a reaction.

What do you think all this anti semitism is about then?

Is it just pure hatred of jews?

Fyi I got that idea from hignfy and ih.

[The Slim Reaper]

What do you think all this anti semitism is about then?

Is it just pure hatred of jews?

Fyi I got that idea from hignfy and ih.

He's not anti semitic. It's a lie. He's been defending minorities all his life and was in golders green defending Jews against neo nazi's in the 70's as an example.

The claims of anti semitism arose when labour changed their platform to recognising the rights of Palestinians who are being forced to live under Israeli apartheid (UN description, not mine).

Now does labour have an anti semitism problem? Yes, because they have anti semites, but research shows it's far lower than society as a whole, and lower than in every other political party bar the greens. Those are facts.

[Beso]

He's not anti semitic. It's a lie. He's been defending minorities all his life and was in golders green defending Jews against neo nazi's in the 70's as an example.

The claims of anti semitism arose when labour changed their platform to recognising the rights of Palestinians who are being forced to live under Israeli apartheid (UN description, not mine).

Now does labour have an anti semitism problem? Yes, because they have anti semites, but research shows it's far lower than society as a whole, and lower than in every other political party bar the greens. Those are facts.
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So he was willing to travel the world fighting against it, but couldn't be bothered to utter one word to condemn it in his party..


Why?

Because he believes the conspiracy .

[The Slim Reaper]

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So he was willing to travel the world fighting against it, but couldn't be bothered to utter one word to condemn it in his party..


Why?

Because he believes the conspiracy .

He did condemn it. The EHRC actually criticised Corbyn for getting personally involved, as he interfered to try and get the complaints dealt with more efficiently and thoroughly.

[Beso]

He did condemn it. The EHRC actually criticised Corbyn for getting personally involved, as he interfered to try and get the complaints dealt with more efficiently and thoroughly.

And what became of those complaints?

[The Slim Reaper]

And what became of those complaints?

You can read the whole thread on it. I still post in it.


Although the same EHRC that allowed the tories to do their own investigation into their own racism issues.

Not that impartial then

https://www.newsweek.com/equalities-human-rights-commission-ehrc-pavita-cooper-race-racism-equality-1513338

Equalities and Human Rights Commissioner Failed to Declare Tory fundraising

A commissioner at the U.K. equalities watchdog, which prides itself on impartiality, failed to declare her donation and fundraising activity for the Conservative Party, Newsweek International can reveal.

Pavita Cooper, who is a commissioner at the Equalities and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) made donations totaling £3,500 to the Conservative Party itself, according to the Electoral Commission's website.

I'm not even a labour supporter, especially these days but this isn't as simplistic as it looks.

[Beso]

So you want me to go to another forum, then read another thread on the matter, and take that threads word over what's in this one...:nono::nono:

I'm happy in tibb world thank you.:dance:

[The Slim Reaper]

So you want me to go to another forum, then read another thread on the matter, and take that threads word over what's in this one...:nono::nono:

I'm happy in tibb world thank you.:dance:

What? There was a thread on the EHRC report. I think bots posted it, you definitely posted in it, and I still post in it. It's in sd.

[Beso]

What? There was a thread on the EHRC report. I think bots posted it, you definitely posted in it, and I still post in it. It's in sd.

And?

[The Slim Reaper]

And?

You can read it if you want...

[joeysteele]

You can read the whole thread on it. I still post in it.


Although the same EHRC that allowed the tories to do their own investigation into their own racism issues.

Not that impartial then

https://www.newsweek.com/equalities-human-rights-commission-ehrc-pavita-cooper-race-racism-equality-1513338

Equalities and Human Rights Commissioner Failed to Declare Tory fundraising



I'm not even a labour supporter, especially these days but this isn't as simplistic as it looks.


You make good points Slim.

There's times recently with this government where the media is slated and presenters condemned for interviewing aggressively on issues to government Ministers.

The view thrown out the media are disgraceful.

However, the media character assassination of Corbyn is believed in full and the condemnation is not of the press and media but Corbyn.

You have made good and strong points on here.

I'm not a Corbyn fan myself, although his policies I welcomed.
However I've never believed he is an anti-Semite.

I do think he was ineffective in the anti-Semitism issue in the party.
I still think the word sorry, rather than regret would be wiser.

However, there are those who will believe all that was presented in the media re Corbyn.
As they did too on the Miliband's Father when that disgusting assassination of his character was done too.

As for Corbyn back in the party, I expected him to be.
Personally I think he is likely to possibly step down anyway at the next election.
Not that his voters in Islington would wish or want him to.

However too, I've given up any hope of reasoned debate re Corbyn on here or with most hard-line Con supporters I know.
Although there are the more reasoned Con supporters who think he got a really tough ride.

So best of luck to you Slim

[The Slim Reaper]

You make good points Slim.

There's times recently with this government where the media is slated and presenters condemned for interviewing aggressively on issues to government Ministers.

The view thrown out the media are disgraceful.

However, the media character assassination of Corbyn is believed in full and the condemnation is not of the press and media but Corbyn.

You have made good and strong points on here.

I'm not a Corbyn fan myself, although his policies I welcomed.
However I've never believed he is an anti-Semite.

I do think he was ineffective in the anti-Semitism issue in the party.
I still think the word sorry, rather than regret would be wiser.

However, there are those who will believe all that was presented in the media re Corbyn.
As they did too on the Miliband's Father when that disgusting assassination of his character was done too.

As for Corbyn back in the party, I expected him to be.
Personally I think he is likely to possibly step down anyway at the next election.
Not that his voters in Islington would wish or want him to.

However too, I've given up any hope of reasoned debate re Corbyn on here or with most hard-line Con supporters I know.
Although there are the more reasoned Con supporters who think he got a really tough ride.

So best of luck to you Slim

Thank you Joey, always good to get your opinion on things, especially as you're a lot closer to the centre than I am.

I understand where you're coming from, and I agree that he perhaps wasn't as vocal about it as he could have been at times. However the press allowed a real racist and security threat into number 10 without even a question, so I sort of understand why JC didn't want anymore labour/corbyn/anti semitism headlines every day.

It was a concerted attack because his policies were dangerous to the tax avoiders, to the wealthy, and the cruel. I don't think either of the main parties will be allowed to have a leader with his views in the next 50 years, and I think this whole anti semitism lie was the warning.

I'm gutted we missed out on a genuine opportunity to reshape British society into a more caring and tolerant place.

[Beso]

You can read it if you want...

I'm too busy looking for decent music to worry about that crusty **** atm, but thanks.

[The Slim Reaper]

I'm too busy looking for decent music to worry about that crusty **** atm, but thanks.

Like I said, I knew it was an attempt to get a reaction. Happy song hunting.

[Oliver_W]

Does it really matter? In terms of the wider picture he was pretty much done anyway; he wasn't invited into the Shadow Cabinet, and the ones close to him are all gone, so just let him sit in the backbenches, who cares :shrug:

[Beso]

Like I said, I knew it was an attempt to get a reaction. Happy song hunting.

Wrong...like the posts showed.

[joeysteele]

Thank you Joey, always good to get your opinion on things, especially as you're a lot closer to the centre than I am.

I understand where you're coming from, and I agree that he perhaps wasn't as vocal about it as he could have been at times. However the press allowed a real racist and security threat into number 10 without even a question, so I sort of understand why JC didn't want anymore labour/corbyn/anti semitism headlines every day.

It was a concerted attack because his policies were dangerous to the tax avoiders, to the wealthy, and the cruel. I don't think either of the main parties will be allowed to have a leader with his views in the next 50 years, and I think this whole anti semitism lie was the warning.

I'm gutted we missed out on a genuine opportunity to reshape British society into a more caring and tolerant place.

Thank you Slim.

I think you'd find if I talked with you that I'm much more to the left now.

I've gone just about full turnaround from when I was in my mid teens.

I really liked and wanted Corbyn's policies to be in place.
In fact, I've said it before on here, when canvassing in December, people overall liked his policies.

They didn't however believe they could be done in one term.
To be fair to John McDonnell, he did try to say they were hoped to be achieved over 2 terms of government.

I agree, it's sad that opportunity was missed which is why I wished Labour had put forward an easier to follow brexit policy.
Because sadly, it was in a big part the brexit policy Labour presented which we just couldn't get through to voters.

[Oliver_W]

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Corbyn's immediate response to the EHRC findings was pretty crappy, but I think it came from a place of stupidity rather than malice.

[reece(:]

As he should be.

[Elliot]

He has nothing to apologise for and this slander campaign is an absolute disgrace everyone involved looks utterly unhinged

[Oliver_W]

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Ohhh apparently it's only his party membership which has been reinstated, not his whip as a Labour MP. that decision lies with Sir Keir. I wonder if he's likely to give him it back

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Hmmm...

[Tom4784]

Who cares about this flop aside from the right wingers that still froth at the mouth over him because they are addicted to their own outrage? He was a failure and he's best forgotten.

Honestly, people who hate Jeremy Corbyn and keep bringing him up are his biggest fans.

[arista]

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[Oliver_W]

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Streuth, that irrelevant old fossil isn't worth a mutiny over, especially when Labour finally has something of an effective leader now...

[UserSince2005]

a rat always finds it way back inside. Labour should have taken a more permanent measure.

[Zizu]

Streuth, that irrelevant old fossil isn't worth a mutiny over, especially when Labour finally has something of an effective leader now...


He WAS potentially a decent leader but he’s lost all credibility by wimping out on his first big decision . How can anybody trust him now ( die-hard Labour followers aside ) .


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[bots]

the executive played it smart, they put the big decision back in Keirs lap. Which every way he chooses to go, he is going to annoy a lot of people

[smudgie]

Sir Keir not giving him back the whip.

[arista]

Starmer says he is back in the Labour Party
but he will not be an MP

[Oliver_W]

Probably the best move tbh.

Sir Keir has said he considers himself a socialist, and that he's intending on keeping much of Corbyn's proposed policies, so maybe he should openly champion some of them, so people can't whinge that he's against unity in his party.

[Brother Leon]

If only Starmer treated the opposition with as much contempt and ruthlessness as he does the Socialists of his own party.

[Oliver_W]

If only Starmer treated the opposition with as much contempt and ruthlessness as he does the Socialists of his own party.

Have you ever seen PMQs?

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

Instead of all the nonsense.
I have never thought Corbyn an anti-Semite.
He likely is a stronger supporter of the struggles of the Palestinians, rather than Israel's struggles in that area.
That doesn't make him an anti-Semite however.

Whether he has the Labour whip or not, he has party membership.
As a backbench MP,he has the freedom to say what he likes, when he likes, then be judged on it.

He's never now going to be elevated to a higher level of politics, such as Shadow Cabinet or any other role.

All he had to do was agree with the EHRCs report.
Admit things were handed badly.
Then state a clear support for implementing the inquiry's findings.
Which cannot be argued against.

Then just see out his remaining time as a backbench MP, maybe even standing down next election.

I think Starmer has acted as appropriately as he could,with no apology and the questioning of the inquiry findings, he has done just about all he could.

This really is an issue that should be worked at by all to get over.
Starmer will implement the EHRC conditions of independent investigation and disciplining of future anti-Semitic instances.
That's the way to go.

Never again, ever must the Labour party or any other party allow themselves to go down the road of this shameful set of instances.
Not handled correctly or fairly.
Racism of all kinds, discrimination and anti semitism must never ever, be brushed under the carpet or even tried to be so.

[arista]

It's too late
the Split has started

[arista]

The 32 Labour MPs and peers who have signed a letter demanding Jeremy Corbyn
have the whip reinstated

Diane Abbott MP

Tahir Ali MP

Lloyd Russell-Moyle MP

Zarah Sultana MP

Jon Trickett MP

Claudia Webbe MP

Mick Whitley MP

Nadia Whittome MP

Beth Winter MP

Paula Barker MP

Apsana Begum MP

Olivia Blake MP

Christine Blower

Pauline Bryan

Richard Burgon MP

Ian Byrne MP

Ian Lavery MP

Clive Lewis MP

Rebecca Long-Bailey MP

John McDonnell MP

Ian Mearns MP

Navendu Mishra MP

Grahame Morris MP

Kate Osamor MP

Kate Osborne MP

Bell Ribeiro-Addy MP

Dan Carden MP

Katy Clark

Mary Foy MP

John Hendy

Rachel Hopkins MP

Kim Johnson MP

[arista]

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Wednesday

[Oliver_W]

The 32 Labour MPs and peers who have signed a letter demanding Jeremy Corbyn
have the whip reinstated

(list)

How does someone with so little personality or charisma, with fairly generic policy ideas which largely matched what Ed Milliband put forward ... how does someone like that cause such waves in politics?

[Zizu]

The 32 Labour MPs and peers who have signed a letter demanding Jeremy Corbyn
have the whip reinstated

Diane Abbott MP

Tahir Ali MP

Lloyd Russell-Moyle MP

Zarah Sultana MP

Jon Trickett MP

Claudia Webbe MP

Mick Whitley MP

Nadia Whittome MP

Beth Winter MP

Paula Barker MP

Apsana Begum MP

Olivia Blake MP

Christine Blower

Pauline Bryan

Richard Burgon MP

Ian Byrne MP

Ian Lavery MP

Clive Lewis MP

Rebecca Long-Bailey MP

John McDonnell MP

Ian Mearns MP

Navendu Mishra MP

Grahame Morris MP

Kate Osamor MP

Kate Osborne MP

Bell Ribeiro-Addy MP

Dan Carden MP

Katy Clark

Mary Foy MP

John Hendy

Rachel Hopkins MP

Kim Johnson MP



How surprising to see his ex girlfriend on the list ...


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[Zizu]

I can see the headline now...Socialists attracted to other socialists shocker.



Well I hardly think politics was on DA’s mind when she signed the letter , I wouldn’t be surprised if the letter was their idea and they called in some favours ( 31 favours to be exact ) .


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[The Slim Reaper]

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[MTVN]

Remember when Corbyn asked to meet Trump during his visit here and he got rejected

[The Slim Reaper]

Remember when Corbyn asked to meet Trump during his visit here and he got rejected

To discuss actual issues, not photo opps. Poor from you, Matt, but not unexpected these days.

Also trumps "I don't like critics" excuse.

[MTVN]

Assumes that the PM is unable to discuss actual issues because they were photographed together on a staircase

What does 'these days' mean :oh:

[The Slim Reaper]

Assumes that the PM is unable to discuss actual issues because they were photographed together on a staircase

What does 'these days' mean :oh:

Like Johnson suggesting trump should get a nobel peace prize and continually fawning over him?

Just noticed a bit of a dark turn in your posts from corona and the 2nd wavers comment right through.

[The Slim Reaper]

I say that as someone who respects you and our political differences.