Meghan had a miscarriage earlier this year.

[arista]

https://news.sky.com/story/duchess-of-sussex-reveals-she-had-a-miscarriage-in-article-about-loss-12141776


[In an article for The New York Times,
Meghan wrote: "I knew, as I clutched my firstborn child,
that I was losing my second."

She describes how she "felt a sharp cramp" as she picked
her son Archie out of his cot.
The royal said she went to hospital with Prince Harry
where she watched "her husband's heart break".]



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55068783

[Meghan Markle: Duchess of Sussex tells of miscarriage 'pain and grief']

[Ammi]

..very sad... miscarrying a child is such a painful thing for parents to go through...

[Mystic Mock]

2020 just keeps on giving bad news doesn't it.

[Ammi]

2020 just keeps on giving bad news doesn't it.

...almost over, Mock...:hug:..but yeah, I think relentless to the very end...

[Cherie]

well that's very sad, but I don't agree that discussing losing a baby is taboo or shameful as she suggests in the NYT, no idea why she is saying that.

By Estelle Shirbon


LONDON (Reuters) - Meghan, Britain's Duchess of Sussex, has revealed that she had a miscarriage, an extraordinarily personal disclosure coming from a high-profile British royal.

The wife of Prince Harry and former actress wrote about the experience in detail in an opinion article published in the New York Times on Wednesday, saying that it took place one July morning when she was caring for Archie, the couple's son.


"I knew, as I clutched my firstborn child, that I was losing my second," Meghan wrote, describing how she felt a sharp cramp after picking up Archie from his crib, and dropped to the floor with him in her arms, humming a lullaby to keep them both calm.

Meghan described how she and her husband were both in tears as she lay in a hospital bed hours later.

"Losing a child means carrying an almost unbearable grief, experienced by many but talked about by few," she wrote.

"In the pain of our loss, my husband and I discovered that in a room of 100 women, 10 to 20 of them will have suffered from miscarriage. Yet despite the staggering commonality of this pain, the conversation remains taboo, riddled with (unwarranted) shame, and perpetuating a cycle of solitary mourning."

[joeysteele]

2020 just keeps on giving bad news doesn't it.

Never seems to stop Mock.

This is sad to read really, my thoughts go out to them.

[Niamh.]

Very sad for them both

[Niamh.]

well that's very sad, but I don't agree that discussing losing a baby is taboo or shameful as she suggests in the NYT, no idea why she is saying that.

By Estelle Shirbon


LONDON (Reuters) - Meghan, Britain's Duchess of Sussex, has revealed that she had a miscarriage, an extraordinarily personal disclosure coming from a high-profile British royal.

The wife of Prince Harry and former actress wrote about the experience in detail in an opinion article published in the New York Times on Wednesday, saying that it took place one July morning when she was caring for Archie, the couple's son.


"I knew, as I clutched my firstborn child, that I was losing my second," Meghan wrote, describing how she felt a sharp cramp after picking up Archie from his crib, and dropped to the floor with him in her arms, humming a lullaby to keep them both calm.

Meghan described how she and her husband were both in tears as she lay in a hospital bed hours later.

"Losing a child means carrying an almost unbearable grief, experienced by many but talked about by few," she wrote.

"In the pain of our loss, my husband and I discovered that in a room of 100 women, 10 to 20 of them will have suffered from miscarriage. Yet despite the staggering commonality of this pain, the conversation remains taboo, riddled with (unwarranted) shame, and perpetuating a cycle of solitary mourning."

I half agree with her, I don't think people talk about it loads, just because it's a more unusual grief, there's not a person people knew to talk about and grieve for so that makes it more difficult however I've never heard the opinion that having a miscarriage was shameful and don't understand how it could ever been looked at in that way

[Cherie]

I half agree with her, I don't think people talk about it loads, just because it's a more unusual grief, there's not a person people knew to talk about and grieve for so that makes it more difficult however I've never heard the opinion that having a miscarriage was shameful and don't understand how it could ever been looked at in that way



Neither have I, I think the stat is something like 1 in 3 women will experience a miscarriage as well, so it's not rare or uncommon

[Niamh.]

[/B]


Neither have I, I think the stat is something like 1 in 3 women will experience a miscarriage as well, so it's not rare or uncommon

Maybe it's shameful in Royal circles, started watching The Crown (only on Season 1 still) Bloody hell what a load of nonsense their lives are

[Cherie]

Maybe it's shameful in Royal circles, started watching The Crown (only on Season 1 still) Bloody hell what a load of nonsense their lives are

I don't think so Zara Phillips and Sophie Wessex both had miscarriages and spoke about it, thats recent times obviously, anyway Meghan and Harry no longer represent the Royals, so again that should not be an issue

[Niamh.]

I don't think so Zara Phillips and Sophie Wessex both had miscarriages and spoke about it, thats recent times obviously, anyway Meghan and Harry no longer represent the Royals, so again that should not be an issue

Well they don't officially but they're always going to be considered Royals

[Liam-]

Even when talking about something like this people still find something to criticise her for, Jesus

[Niamh.]

Even when talking about something like this people still find something to criticise her for, Jesus

Liam, it's a conversation, she is encouraging conversation around the topic and that's what we're doing *I was not criticizing her at all

[Kizzy]

I know we all deal with things differently.. and maybe it's my gritty northern nature but the kind of romanticised storytime way this is reported in the article? .. it kind of creeps me out.

[rusticgal]

well that's very sad, but I don't agree that discussing losing a baby is taboo or shameful as she suggests in the NYT, no idea why she is saying that.




I totally agree. I too had a miscarriage before I had my 2nd son. It is devastating and I empathise with them. However its often a private matter and many like to keep it that way.

[AnnieK]

Having had fertility issues in the past and speaking to lots of other women who have, a lot of people who miscarry feel like a failure and that it was somehow their fault and so maybe that's what she means by taboo? People don't often talk about it much, I never told too many people when I was going through IVF as I got tired of the sympathetic looks and words and I hated that people almost apologised when they told me they were pregnant. It was sweet that they were trying to be sensitive but I was putting my body through a whole world of hormonal nightmares to try and have a child so would never have been upset to hear someone had managed to get pregnant.

[rusticgal]

I know we all deal with things differently.. and maybe it's my gritty northern nature but the kind of romanticised storytime way this is reported in the article? .. it kind of creeps me out.


I know the point you are making...

[Niamh.]

Having had fertility issues in the past and speaking to lots of other women who have, a lot of people who miscarry feel like a failure and that it was somehow their fault and so maybe that's what she means by taboo? People don't often talk about it much, I never told too many people when I was going through IVF as I got tired of the sympathetic looks and words and I hated that people almost apologised when they told me they were pregnant. It was sweet that they were trying to be sensitive but I was putting my body through a whole world of hormonal nightmares to try and have a child so would never have been upset to hear someone had managed to get pregnant.

Ah yes OK, that makes sense actually. So glad you got your gorgeous little boy after all you went through Annie :love:

[Ammi]

Having had fertility issues in the past and speaking to lots of other women who have, a lot of people who miscarry feel like a failure and that it was somehow their fault and so maybe that's what she means by taboo? People don't often talk about it much, I never told too many people when I was going through IVF as I got tired of the sympathetic looks and words and I hated that people almost apologised when they told me they were pregnant. It was sweet that they were trying to be sensitive but I was putting my body through a whole world of hormonal nightmares to try and have a child so would never have been upset to hear someone had managed to get pregnant.

...Annie...:love:...

[AnnieK]

Ah yes OK, that makes sense actually. So glad you got your gorgeous little boy after all you went through Annie :love:

Aw thanks Niamh. Its was awful and then to conceive naturally after everything was a shocker.

[rusticgal]

Having had fertility issues in the past and speaking to lots of other women who have, a lot of people who miscarry feel like a failure and that it was somehow their fault and so maybe that's what she means by taboo? People don't often talk about it much, I never told too many people when I was going through IVF as I got tired of the sympathetic looks and words and I hated that people almost apologised when they told me they were pregnant. It was sweet that they were trying to be sensitive but I was putting my body through a whole world of hormonal nightmares to try and have a child so would never have been upset to hear someone had managed to get pregnant.

I have to say I never felt like a failure. As devastating as it was I remember looking at my 1st son and thinking how lucky I was to have him. Also I am a great believer in Fate and something obviously wasnt right and it wasnt therefore meant to be.
I can understand feelings of guilt and failure but not Shame :shrug: Neither do I think its a Taboo subject...

I do feel for women that so desire motherhood but are denied it...and Im so glad Annie that things worked out for you in the end.

[AnnieK]

I have to say I never felt like a failure. As devastating as it was I remember looking at my 1st son and thinking how lucky I was to have him. Also I am a great believer in Fate and something obviously wasnt right and it wasnt therefore meant to be.
I can understand feelings of guilt and failure but not Shame :shrug: Neither do I think its a Taboo subject...

I do feel for women that so desire motherhood but are denied it...and Im so glad Annie that things worked out for you in the end.

Thanks Rusti....it was a hard slog but worth the wait :love:

Your thoughts and feelings are very personal after a miscarriage. The clinic offered counselling for feelings of failure. I was quite pragmatic and thought that obviously the embryos I had transferred during the multiple rounds of IVF were just not destined to be babies. Some of the ladies I met though felt like complete failures. They had been through multiple miscarriages and been told by Drs that there was no medical reason for them or ladies like me who just couldn't get pregnant and they felt ashamed for failing to give their partners a child or parents a grandchild etc.

That need for motherhood in some people is so strong isn't it?

[Kazanne]

[/B]


Neither have I, I think the stat is something like 1 in 3 women will experience a miscarriage as well, so it's not rare or uncommon

Its quite common Cherie I had a miscarriage a few years ago, I think most women go through this , it's very sad for everyone.

[Niamh.]

Aw thanks Niamh. Its was awful and then to conceive naturally after everything was a shocker.I've heard quite a few stories like that happening actually where people give up on IVF and adopt or just accept that they will never have children and then all of a sudden get pregnant naturally, it must be something to do with not thinking or worrying about it anymore. Stress can have such a physical effect on our bodies

[Dogeatdog]

Very sad for her. It must be very upsetting for any woman to experience a miscarriage so I respect her for talking about it since it may help and encourage a lot of other women to speak about it more and help find support for each other.

[bots]

it's an awkward topic, but so is any bereavement. People arent shamed about it in the UK though, i know that for sure, maybe other countries are different?, if they are, it's not something i am aware of

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/11/25/14/36096806-8985249-image-m-7_1606314946315.jpg

[rusticgal]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/11/25/14/36096806-8985249-image-m-7_1606314946315.jpg


Im sorry for their loss, I really am....but that article is just nauseating.

[Elliot]

People on Twitter claiming she faked it or is doing this for attention or sympathy.. obsession

[thesheriff443]

Any loss of life is tragic but I still find these two a pair of self pitying attention seekers.

[GoldHeart]

Poor Meghan, can't imagine the stress and heartache of that let alone the way both her & Harry have been treated by the media.

[Glenn.]

A tragedy for anyone who has experienced a miscarriage.

The absolute disgusting things I’ve read on twitter about Meghan today is shocking. It just confirms that people will blindly hate on the poor woman whatever happens which isnt surprising at all.

[GoldHeart]

A tragedy for anyone who has experienced a miscarriage.

The absolute disgusting things I’ve read on twitter about Meghan today is shocking. It just confirms that people will blindly hate on the poor woman whatever happens which isnt surprising at all.

It's crazy isn't it :bored: , even after the traumatic experience she's still getting hate. People need to grow up and leave her and Harry alone.

[Ammi]

...we tend to talk about so many things, it’s what we do on forums, we discuss and communicate...’a talking community’ of even the most emotionally painful of stuff..so it’s hard to imagine any ‘stigma or taboo’ that could be felt by others ....but I’m reading that there are charity apps set up so that people who are having or have had their lives touched with the sadness of miscarriage, are able to connect with others going through similar...especially also added, in the time of COVID ...when this grieving will have been felt by many parents like Meghan and Harry and felt alone because of restrictions...so very, very difficult...my niece’s son was born early and sadly didn’t survive and it’s a grief that had to be gone through without the close support of a family/friend circle because of COVID....it’s a loss that I guess is considered ‘more commonplace’...and yet it can be so shattering to lives if experienced...and obviously no lesser than any other loss...and yet can still to different extents, be a ‘more silent loss..’..it would seem...



Peanut is a charity app which allows users to speak over video and messenger forums, has seen its user base grow by 20% every month since lockdown began, and nearly two million women are now using it including 500,000 in the UK.

https://www.thenational.scot/news/uk-news/18898159.coronavirus-rules-compounded-trauma-miscarriage---charity-boss/

[bots]

lets be quite clear, Meghan didn't need to tell anyone about her miscarriage, she chose to make a thing about it by publishing in a national american newspaper along with other comments that were massaged to fit her agenda. Once she does that, she thrusts herself into the spotlight by her own intended actions and she should expect discussion good and bad to come from it

[user104658]

Miscarriage is horrible (we have been through two) but sadly very common. She has every right to talk about it if she wants. I find the wording a bit "flowery" but :shrug: she's an actor not a writer so whatever.

I have no idea why any of this would be controversial or cause drama.

[Niamh.]

I have deleted 72 posts in here :oh: Can people please stick to this topic and save the negativity for a more general topic on the couple please. Also can members stop insulting and getting personal with each other or there will be infractions handed out

[jet]

Gemma Collins reveals she had a third miscarriage in July with ex James Argent's baby and says 'my dreams of motherhood were shattered'
The TOWIE star, 39, spoke out about her heartbreaking loss after Meghan Markle announced she had miscarried her second child with Prince Harry

Gemma Collins suffered a third devastating miscarriage in July after falling pregnant with her ex-boyfriend James Argent's baby.

The TOWIE star, 39, spoke out about her heartbreaking loss after Meghan Markle announced she had lost her second child with Prince Harry.

Gemma told The Sun: I've not talked about this before, but it was my third, each one a devastating loss on my longed-for journey to motherhood.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8990295/Gemma-Collins-reveals-devastating-miscarriage-July.html

[rusticgal]

lets be quite clear, Meghan didn't need to tell anyone about her miscarriage, she chose to make a thing about it by publishing in a national american newspaper along with other comments that were massaged to fit her agenda. Once she does that, she thrusts herself into the spotlight by her own intended actions and she should expect discussion good and bad to come from it


I totally agree with everything you said here.

For anyone to doubt the miscarriage is sickening and people on this forum have been sensitive to the issue.
I thought it a very bizarre way to announce it to the world...her own column all merged in with other issues she has previously addressed...and the way it was worded, I felt like I was reading a novel..

[Ammi]

...Gemma...:sad:...such a sad time for her also...and feeling inspired by Meghan’s words....


She thanked the duchess for publicly speaking about her loss, and insisted that while she worries ‘on bad days’ those pregnancies were her only chance at having a baby of her own, it won’t mark the end of her motherhood dreams. Gemma added: ‘I know I can give a baby a brilliant life – a life a world away from the world of ‘GC’, the larger-than-life character that most of the public know, and when my time to be a mother comes, I will do everything I can to protect the privacy of that cherished prize I have yearned for for so long.’