McDonald's is accused of 'cultural appropriation at its finest' over its Jerk Chicken

[arista]

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The new sandwich, costing £4.39,
features two crispy Chicken Selects topped
with a spicy jerk sauce, bacon,
pepper jack cheese, onion
and lettuce in a sourdough bun.

The burger's jerk sauce contains
tomato paste, Habanero chilli puree,
caramelised sugar syrup, spices,
garlic, ginger and basil,
according to the McDonald's website.



[The ingredients in a real jerk marinade
are allspice - a dried unripe berry
of the South American native plant
Pimenta dioica - and Scotch bonnet peppers.]



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8986751/McDonalds-accused-cultural-appropriation-finest-new-Jerk-Chicken-Sandwich.html



Any of you tried this new £4:39
Jerk?

[Denver]

I mean they have been doing it for years but now people are only coming out the woodwork to complain? Their main issue should be it tastes nothing like Jerk Sauce

[Oliver_W]

Lol at people thinking "cultural appropriation" is actually a thing, or something to be taken seriously or moaned about.

Anyone can make or sell anything they want, it's fine.

Nothing wrong with appreciating and enjoying things from other places.

[Swan]

No one in their right mind would care about this. It's just another gimmick burger, McDonalds does this all the time.

[arista]

I mean they have been doing it for years but now people are only coming out the woodwork to complain? Their main issue should be it tastes nothing like Jerk Sauce


Yes its a McD Sauce.
I think like one they use in the USA stores.

They are probably loving the Free Publicity

[Strictly Jake]

I want one!

[Elliot]

Yeah ignore the fact how unsustainable their meat sources are or transportation of said meat is or how they underpay their workers, oh no a jerk chicken burger!!!

[Jordan.]

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[Alf]

Jerk sauce?

Isn't that also known as spunk?

[arista]

Jerk sauce?

Isn't that also known as spunk?


NO

[Tom4784]

Lol at people thinking "cultural appropriation" is actually a thing, or something to be taken seriously or moaned about.

Anyone can make or sell anything they want, it's fine.

Nothing wrong with appreciating and enjoying things from other places.

Cultural appropriation is a thing, you just don't understand what it is.

This really isn't an example of appropriation but to make out that it doesn't exist is just ignorant.

[Oliver_W]

Cultural appropriation is a thing, you just don't understand what it is.

:joker:

Tell me more?

[Tom4784]

:joker:

Tell me more?

Is there any point when you obviously find it a joke because you don't believe it exists? You're perfectly entitled to ignorance, it's not down to me to educate you.

If you want an example though, look at the Kardashians, they built their wealth by appropriating both black and gay culture and then often tried to copywrite it as their own afterwards.

[Oliver_W]

If you want an example though, look at the Kardashians, they built their wealth by appropriating both black and gay culture and then often tried to copywrite it as their own afterwards.

they're living trash but why shouldn't they use black or gay "culture" to make money? It doesn't specifically belong to anyone which is why they shouldn't try to copyright it, but no-one else own the rights to it, and if they want to use aspects of it to make money, then good for them.

I remember people pitched a bitchfit because one of the interchangeable Kardashians had dreadlocks or braids or something :joker: same with Beiber.

Like I've literally never heard a reason that people shouldn't use things from different cultures. It doesn't stop anyone else from being able to use them.

[Denver]

they're living trash but why shouldn't they use black or gay "culture" to make money? It doesn't specifically belong to anyone which is why they shouldn't try to copyright it, but no-one else own the rights to it, and if they want to use aspects of it to make money, then good for them.

I remember people pitched a bitchfit because one of the interchangeable Kardashians had dreadlocks or braids or something :joker: same with Beiber.

Like I've literally never heard a reason that people shouldn't use things from different cultures. It doesn't stop anyone else from being able to use them.

Well it does belong to people

[Daniel.]

This isn't cultural appropriation

This is a burger

[Tom4784]

they're living trash but why shouldn't they use black or gay "culture" to make money? It doesn't specifically belong to anyone which is why they shouldn't try to copyright it, but no-one else own the rights to it, and if they want to use aspects of it to make money, then good for them.

I remember people pitched a bitchfit because one of the interchangeable Kardashians had dreadlocks or braids or something :joker: same with Beiber.

You're not getting it, or more specifically, you don't want to understand it because you don't want to accept it as legitimate thing.

You cannot copywrite what isn't yours', it's quite simple really.

[Oliver_W]

You're not getting it, or more specifically, you don't want to understand it because you don't want to accept it as legitimate thing.

You cannot copywrite what isn't yours', it's quite simple really.

I agree, they shouldn't copyright it because it isn't theirs, it's everybody's.

[Oliver_W]

Well it does belong to people

Yup - all people, everywhere. Anyone who wants it.

[Tom4784]

I agree, they shouldn't copyright it because it isn't theirs, it's everybody's.

You're still not getting it, and I don't think there's nothing I can say that will make you understand either, simply because you don't want to. You are perfectly entitled to be wrong and I'm just gonna leave it at that.

[Denver]

Yup - all people, everywhere. Anyone who wants it.

So your saying a Kimono which has been a Japanese clothing garment for centuries also belongs to Britain because a few people wanted to be edgy and get them and use them for what its not meant to be used for ?

[Oliver_W]

You're still not getting it, and I don't think there's nothing I can say that will make you understand either, simply because you don't want to. You are perfectly entitled to be wrong and I'm just gonna leave it at that.
There's not much to "get", you've not reallg said why people shouldn't use things from other cultures?

So your saying a Kimono which has been a Japanese clothing garment for centuries also belongs to Britain because a few people wanted to be edgy and get them and use them for what its not meant to be used for ?
Yup, that's exactly what I'm saying. Kimonos look nice, ic someone thinks they could rock one, then why not!

[Denver]

There's not much to "get", you've not reallg said why people shouldn't use things from other cultures?


Yup, that's exactly what I'm saying. Kimonos look nice, ic someone thinks they could rock one, then why not!

A Kimona is for special occasions such as weddings and parties not to be used when your feeling cold and want to wrap up its rude and ignorant and very disrespectful to Japanese culture

[Marsh.]

Lol at people thinking "cultural appropriation" is actually a thing, or something to be taken seriously or moaned about.

Anyone can make or sell anything they want, it's fine.

Nothing wrong with appreciating and enjoying things from other places.

Using a ridiculous accusation of cultural appropriation as evidence of it "not existing" is like using a bad example of racism as evidence racism doesn't exist.

[Tom4784]

So your saying a Kimono which has been a Japanese clothing garment for centuries also belongs to Britain because a few people wanted to be edgy and get them and use them for what its not meant to be used for ?

Simply wearing a kimono in of itself isn't cultural appropriation. Sharing Japanese customs and traditions is actually a big part of Japanese culture, as long as you aren't being disrespectful, most japanese people are glad to share their culture with anyone who wants to partake.

Cultural appropriation is a more complex thing than just wearing clothes, it's about intent and more.

There's not much to "get", you've not reallg said why people shouldn't use things from other cultures?

I could explain for hours, but you'd just reject it because you can't see beyond your own privilege, and I'm not wasting time on a fruitless endeavor.

You don't want to believe that it's a thing and you're perfectly entitled to that ignorance. You can try to misrepresent what it is all you want but it won't change that it's not what you think it is.

[Mystic Mock]

I mean they have been doing it for years but now people are only coming out the woodwork to complain? Their main issue should be it tastes nothing like Jerk Sauce

I feel like nowadays people want to add prejudice to every issue that they have, it's deeply irritating and it takes people's attention away from real prejudice incidents.

Personally whether the Sauce really tastes like Jerk Sauce or not, McDonald's are just adding a meal to their menu that has Jamaican flavouring on it, imo that's much less offensive than not having it because they perceive it to be "beneath them."

[arista]

I feel like nowadays people want to add prejudice to every issue that they have, it's deeply irritating and it takes people's attention away from real prejudice incidents.

Personally whether the Sauce really tastes like Jerk Sauce or not, McDonald's are just adding a meal to their menu that has Jamaican flavouring on it, imo that's much less offensive than not having it because they perceive it to be "beneath them."



Yes the "Woke" gang.

[Oliver_W]

Cultural appropriation is a more complex thing than just wearing clothes, it's about intent and more.

I could explain for hours, but you'd just reject it because you can't see beyond your own privilege, and I'm not wasting time on a fruitless endeavor.

You don't want to believe that it's a thing and you're perfectly entitled to that ignorance. You can try to misrepresent what it is all you want but it won't change that it's not what you think it is.

I've never really heard anyone try to actually explain what it is, they just say "profiting off cultures you weren't born into is bad."

Why is it bad? All cultures are there for the taking, so if someone wants to shine a lot on them, why shouldn't they?

[Crimson Dynamo]

current top comment:

fhbj2000, Houston, United States, 2 days ago

The perpetual victim society has found it's next fake outrage.

[Dogeatdog]

I’m sure McDonald’s have been making this burger for quite a while (or they had one which was very similar because I remember buying it a couple years back) and there was no issue like this surfacing so I’m a bit confused as to why this has come about now?

[Oliver_W]

I’m sure McDonald’s have been making this burger for quite a while (or they had one which was very similar because I remember buying it a couple years back) and there was no issue like this surfacing so I’m a bit confused as to why this has come about now?

Eh, people decide to get offended about Fawlty Towers or Gone with the Wind every few years, I guess it's the turn of Mcdonald's to smell the pissy diapers of righteous fury :laugh:

People could go on about actual worthy causes when it come to McDon's, such as how they contribute to the destruction of rainforests, keep expanding the disgusting meat industry, or even the crappy wages they pay the staff ... but no, what they call a sauce is much worse, apparently.

[The Slim Reaper]

Wait until they start putting rasta hats with dreads in their happy meals.

[Oliver_W]

Wait until they start putting rasta hats with dreads in their happy meals.

Those hats are nearly as comfy as ponchos, love em :dance:

[Tom4784]

I've never really heard anyone try to actually explain what it is, they just say "profiting off cultures you weren't born into is bad."

Why is it bad? All cultures are there for the taking, so if someone wants to shine a lot on them, why shouldn't they?

It's not shining a light on them though, it's co-opting it for profit. You only have to look at history and various examples of colonialisation (and attempts to erase said culture after colonisation) to see why it would be seen as an issue. If you want to understand why cultural appropriation is a thing, you have to be willing to look at history.

Respectfully partaking in different cultures is good, co-opting it for profit while trying to take credit for it is not.

[Oliver_W]

It's not shining a light on them though, it's co-opting it for profit. You only have to look at history and various examples of colonialisation (and attempts to erase said culture after colonisation) to see why it would be seen as an issue. If you want to understand why cultural appropriation is a thing, you have to be willing to look at history.

Respectfully partaking in different cultures is good, co-opting it for profit while trying to take credit for it is not.

Okay, that's a fair answer, and one won't call wrong or dismiss :)

But ... I don't happen to agree :joker: Someone living today who wants to create something from another culture has nothing to do with imperial wrongs in the past. We are ourselves, not our ancestors.

The imperial past of the Ottoman Empire shouldn't stop a Turkish singer from using Greek music, for example.

[bots]

i hope we all remember this when we prepare our next curry using our special dolmio sauce or are shaping a flat round piece of bread and put some cheese on the top

[Tom4784]

Okay, that's a fair answer, and one won't call wrong or dismiss :)

But ... I don't happen to agree :joker: Someone living today who wants to create something from another culture has nothing to do with imperial wrongs in the past. We are ourselves, not our ancestors.

The imperial past of the Ottoman Empire shouldn't stop a Turkish singer from using Greek music, for example.

You're choosing not to see the issue and instead muddying the issue by drawing on examples that simply aren't appropriation to lessen it's impact.

Appreciation and appropriation are two different things.

Katy Perry doing that infamous performance of 'Unconditionally' at that awards show was appropriation of Japanese culture because it was hackneyed and stereotypical and basically derogatory. She also appropriated Egypt in the same era with Dark Horse. She took elements of dress and culture from these two places and profited from it by presenting it as painfully stereotypical as possible.

But ugh, I can't be bothered to waste my time with this. You won't ever get it because you don't want to.

[Oliver_W]

You're choosing not to see the issue and instead muddying the issue by drawing on examples that simply aren't appropriation to lessen it's impact.

Appreciation and appropriation are two different things.

Katy Perry doing that infamous performance of 'Unconditionally' at that awards show was appropriation of Japanese culture because it was hackneyed and stereotypical and basically derogatory. She also appropriated Egypt in the same era with Dark Horse. She took elements of dress and culture from these two places and profited from it by presenting it as painfully stereotypical as possible.

But ugh, I can't be bothered to waste my time with this. You won't ever get it because you don't want to.
There's no impact to lessen, not a single Japanese or Egyptian person was harmed by the things you mention, and there's nothing stopping anyone else from drawing inspiration from those cultures. Just like there's nothing stopping them from mimicking American styles for profit.

[Cherie]

Fast food has been appropriated from the US has it not?

I don’t get issue, are they claiming they invented jerk sauce...nope

[Crimson Dynamo]

i will be eating one at Christmas for sure

[GiRTh]

This isnt appropriation. You can find great Jerk Chicken burgers recipes online from many sources and many pubs will do a jerk chicken burger. This isnt an example but its always amusing to see this forums typical comments on issues like this.

A good recent example was when a bunch of female pop-stars starting wearing bindis on their heads as a fashion statement. Appropriation does exist.

[Crimson Dynamo]

adele's dreads?

[user104658]

Fast food has been appropriated from the US has it not?

I don’t get issue, are they claiming they invented jerk sauce...nope

I'm pretty sure good ol' fish'n'chips (and northern staples like pies and pasties) are the OG "fast food".

[Cherie]

I'm pretty sure good ol' fish'n'chips (and northern staples like pies and pasties) are the OG "fast food".

I was referring to Burger chains as the thread is about Maccy D’s, we could also say Black Friday is a cultural appropriation with its links to the Thanksgiving holiday

[jet]

I feel like nowadays people want to add prejudice to every issue that they have, it's deeply irritating and it takes people's attention away from real prejudice incidents.



A nice piece of common sense here.
People outside the minority extreme woke bubble can see how ridiculous it all is.

[user104658]

A good recent example was when a bunch of female pop-stars starting wearing bindis on their heads as a fashion statement. Appropriation does exist.

Genuine question; if this is appropriation, is non-celtic cultures wearing tartan as fashion also appropriation?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Genuine question; if this is appropriation, is non-celtic cultures wearing tartan as fashion also appropriation?

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[Denver]

I was referring to Burger chains as the thread is about Maccy D’s, we could also say Black Friday is a cultural appropriation with its links to the Thanksgiving holiday

The burger originated in Germany hence the name Hamburger

[Cherie]

The burger originated in Germany hence the name Hamburger

We didn’t get Maccy’s from Germany...I said chains

[Denver]

We didn’t get Maccy’s from Germany...I said chains

It doesn't work if they stole their items from another country plus one of the UK's biggest fast food joints in Nandos which is all British

Well they didn't invented the sauce but they tweaked it a lot

[Denver]

Bit if we are going on restaurants then Fish and Chips is an Israeli invention

[Cherie]

It doesn't work if they stole their items from another country plus one of the UK's biggest fast food joints in Nandos which is all British

I’m still talking about McDonalds

McDonalds 1955
Nando’s 1987

[Cherie]

Bit if we are going on restaurants then Fish and Chips is an Israeli invention

You are I’m not

[Oliver_W]

It doesn't work if they stole their items from another country plus one of the UK's biggest fast food joints in Nandos which is all British

Well they didn't invented the sauce but they tweaked it a lot

"Stole"

:joker:

[user104658]

We didn’t get Maccy’s from Germany...I said chains

It's not like other countries "copied" McDonalds Cherie... it's the same company :joker:. I guess it would be more like... if a new chain selling southern fried chicken opened in Sheffield... and they called it "Yorkshire Fried Chicken" :think:.

[Denver]

It's not like other countries "copied" McDonalds Cherie... it's the same company :joker:. I guess it would be more like... if a new chain selling southern fried chicken opened in Sheffield... and they called it "Yorkshire Fried Chicken" :think:.

Also it was the owners of McDonald's who brought it to this country

[Tom4784]

It's a bit pointless to argue over all this since food isn't appropriation.

[GiRTh]

Genuine question; if this is appropriation, is non-celtic cultures wearing tartan as fashion also appropriation?There are some people who argue it is. To the best of my knowledge, they tend to be in the minority.

[Tom4784]

The mere act of wearing something isn't often seen as cultural appropriation outside of people falsely claiming so. I don't think you'd be able to say that wearing a tartan pattern alone is appropriation but if you dressed up in a full tartan get up with those hideous tartan hats with the terrible ginger wigs attached then, yeah, you could argue that is appropriation since you dressed up as a parody of a scottish person.

It's all about intent and whether people are profiting from a culture that they've taken things from and presented them as their own.

[Marsh.]

It's not like other countries "copied" McDonalds Cherie... it's the same company :joker:.

Also it was the owners of McDonald's who brought it to this country

That's literally what he said.

[user104658]

That's literally what he said.I don't read threads like a normal person, I read random posts. Sometimes I start at the end and read backwards. It's fun; you get the incredulous reactions and then get to read on and discover what caused them.

[Marsh.]

I don't read threads like a normal person, I read random posts. Sometimes I start at the end and read backwards. It's fun; you get the incredulous reactions and then get to read on and discover what caused them.

I meant Adam. :hehe:

[Denver]

That's literally what he said.

I added that the owners wanted it in this country nit people from this country wanting to bring it over

[Marsh.]

I added that the owners wanted it in this country nit people from this country wanting to bring it over

Well... obviously both. There needs to be a demand for it to make it worthwhile.

[user104658]

I meant Adam. :hehe:See I didn't even know which post came first, so this was a fun surprise.