Elliott Page comes out as Transgender

[Alf]

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[Oliver_W]

Didn't she come out as nonbinary a year or two ago?

[Scarlett.]

Didn't she come out as nonbinary a year or two ago?

I imagine that was a first step forward to finding out more about themselves

[Captain.Remy]

Congrats, that's so tough to do.
Hope Elliot will be able to deal with the negative comments, because obviously some people have this weird thing of writing nasty comments on social media instead of moving on.
I know Elliot will receive a lot of support too though!

[Black Dagger]

Hope he carries on thriving in life. I adore him.

[Ammi]

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...:love:...

[Jake.]

:love: to him, I hope he’s happy

[Beastie]

He's a babe ♥️

[Morgan.]

Didn't she come out as nonbinary a year or two ago?

*he

[Smithy]

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[Amy Jade]

Not gonna lie I saw this earlier but never knew who he used to be but I saw him on the news and I'm so happy for him, I remember how outspoken they were a few years ago and how much his words will have helped others

[Mystic Mock]

I'm not gonna lie it's gonna be ****ing weird to think of him playing Vanya in a potential season 3 of The Umbrella Academy considering that character is meant to be female.:joker:

He is definitely gonna have to ignore comments on the Internet though.

[Shaun]

I'm not gonna lie it's gonna be ****ing weird to think of him playing Vanya in a potential season 3 of The Umbrella Academy considering that character is meant to be female.:joker:

Considering the number of major trans characters played by cis actors in recent years (Jeffrey Tambor in Transparent, Jared Leto in Dallas Buyers Club, Eddie Redmayne in the Danish Girl), it's pretty fair and overdue for the tables to be turned :p

[Jessica.]

Bless him for coming out in adulthood and while his career has been going so well. I hope he ends up super happy, his wife seems supportive which is great.

[Jessica.]

Considering the number of major trans characters played by cis actors in recent years (Jeffrey Tambor in Transparent, Jared Leto in Dallas Buyers Club, Eddie Redmayne in the Danish Girl), it's pretty fair and overdue for the tables to be turned :p

Yeah, I think it's weirder for cis people to play trans characters. :joker:

[Braden]

I hope he lives a happy life :love:

I can’t stop laughing at people on Twitter thinking it’s Elaine Page :joker:

[Oliver_W]

I imagine that was a first step forward to finding out more about themselves

*he

****, you're both right, of course I should have said he, and yeah I've heard of people using nonbinary identities as a "stepping stone" for being trans.

Best of luck to him :)

[user104658]

I'm not gonna lie it's gonna be ****ing weird to think of him playing Vanya in a potential season 3 of The Umbrella Academy considering that character is meant to be female.:joker:

He is definitely gonna have to ignore comments on the Internet though.To be fair, it's a show about time travel and super powers. It has a 50+ year old bloke who looks like a school boy. There are multiple ways they could change Vanya's gender... Either literally by supernatural means, or simply by having the character be trans. Or he might not be bothered about playing a female character. I'd assume they might consult him on his wishes.

[Kizzy]

Well they're old enough to make they're own mind up who or what they want to be I guess.

[GoldHeart]

Well they're old enough to make they're own mind up who or what they want to be I guess.

Yeah this , it's going to be strange Calling them Elliot from now on . But atleast he's a grown adult .

What I don't agree with however is pubity blockers being prescribed to kids :umm2::crazy:
, Just seen itv news where a few kids regret going through that experience.

[Nicky91]

congrats and ignore social media for a while would also be my advice


ok now the controversial part (and pls don't call me transphobic cuz i'm not) it feels weird how now one of my fave video game characters (Beyond: Two Souls's Jodie, absolutely adore playing that game too btw) is transgender


i wish him all the luck in the world though, and i hope he doesn't get too much nasty hate comments

[Tom4784]

When it comes to the Umbrella Academy, I suppose they'll probably have him play Vanya as a woman if he's comfortable for an episode or two until they can write it in.

If not, the show is about time travel and Season 3 looks to be about the butterfly effects of it, they could easily just say that one of the changes in the timeline is that Vanya's male in the new timeline.

[Niamh.]

Yeah this , it's going to be strange Calling them Elliot from now on . But atleast he's a grown adult .

What I don't agree with however is pubity blockers being prescribed to kids :umm2::crazy:
, Just seen itv news where a few kids regret going through that experience.

Yeah there was a court case recently where a woman sued Tavistock and Portman NHS Trust over this

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-55144148

[Ammi]

Elliot Page will continue to play the role of Vanya Hargreeves in “The Umbrella Academy,” the Netflix series about a family of superheroes that’s become one of the streaming service’s biggest hits.

Vanya is a cisgender woman whose superpower involves unleashing force through the use of sound. There are no plans to change the character’s gender, insiders told Variety.

Page, star of films such as “Juno” and the X-Men series, announced he is a gender non-binary transgender person in a heartfelt social media message on Tuesday. Page’s credited name has already been updated on “The Umbrella Academy’s” IMDB page.

Netflix is also in the process of updating Page’s name in the metadata across all titles he is involved with that are available to watch on the streaming service, another insider said. Those changes should start to be reflected throughout Tuesday.


https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/elliot-page-umbrella-academy-netflix-1234843387/

[Oliver_W]

Yeah there was a court case recently where a woman sued Tavistock and Portman NHS Trust over this

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-55144148

Quite right too, hormones being pushed on kids is ridiculous.

[Ammi]

...is the Umbrella Academy a good/worthwhile watch...?...

[Tom4784]

I'm in two minds when it comes to trans kids transitioning. There are examples of kids transitioning and leading happier lives for it, like Kim Petras, but the one thing that doesn't get spoken about much is that a lot of grown adults do end up regretting transitioning so if a grown adult that knows their own mind and has considered transitioning for years ends up regretting it, can kids make that decision for themselves?

I think where I settle on the issue is that, in some cases, kids should be allowed to transition but it has to be on a case by case basis. I don't think it should be particularly common since I don't think many kids have the capacity to make such impactful decisions at a young age, but it should happen in some cases, I think.

I think trans kids should probably spend their childhood seeing what works and what doesn't before they commit to a full transition. I don't think it's a process to be rushed into.

[Alf]

I have a question. If you take it as offensive then that's your problem, because it's not meant in any offensive way.

Just to clear this up for me, so that I can understand.

I assume that the girlfriend is bi? Because if she was gay, wouldn't that cause a bit of a problem in their relationship?

[Vicky.]

When it comes to the Umbrella Academy, I suppose they'll probably have him play Vanya as a woman if he's comfortable for an episode or two until they can write it in.

If not, the show is about time travel and Season 3 looks to be about the butterfly effects of it, they could easily just say that one of the changes in the timeline is that Vanya's male in the new timeline.
Well quite. Should be easy for them to work it into the storyline, assuming he doesn't want to continue playing a woman. Which may not be an issue anyway as..well actors are acting. They don't necessarily need the 'life experience' or actually having to be the exact same as a character in every way, or whatever in order to play a role. Else we would be paying serial killers and such fortunes to star in films!

But the amount of 'omg what will happen to Vanya?!?!' stuff I have seen on FB today is just insane. Not exactly the hardest circle to square here..they could do a few different things (especially given how the show is, I mean, they could even just have him randomly turning male when going through a portal or something!), depending on what the actor wants.

[Shaun]

I have a question. If you take it as offensive then that's your problem, because it's not meant in any offensive way.

Just to clear this up for me, so that I can understand.

I assume that the girlfriend is bi? Because if she was gay, wouldn't that cause a bit of a problem in their relationship?

She would identify as bi (or pan, but whatever :laugh: ), if they stay together, yeah.

[Shaun]

...is the Umbrella Academy a good/worthwhile watch...?...

Stylistically and sheer fun-wise, yes... storywise... no. Don't go into it expecting things to make sense, because they take a lot of liberties with the plot and character development.

[user104658]

Stylistically and sheer fun-wise, yes... storywise... no. Don't go into it expecting things to make sense, because they take a lot of liberties with the plot and character development.I agree with that(ish), I don't think the storyline doesn't make sense but it's a show to watch because it's fun/stylish more than "hard hitting". The second season found its stride more than the first, IMO. I suspect partly because it clearly had a significantly higher budget.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Mystic Mock]

Considering the number of major trans characters played by cis actors in recent years (Jeffrey Tambor in Transparent, Jared Leto in Dallas Buyers Club, Eddie Redmayne in the Danish Girl), it's pretty fair and overdue for the tables to be turned :p

Oh I'm not against it as it's acting afterall, it's just gonna take awhile to get used to is all from my perspective.:laugh:

[Alf]

I would say "welcome to the Patriarchy" but I know it's not really true.

[Marsh.]

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Why does he talk like Siri?

[MB.]

If it was you who just changed the title from Elliot to a dead name, Alf, that's a pretty tasteless thing to do

[MB.]

Then again, I'd expect no less from a forum (and indeed a country) where transphobia is rampant

[Marsh.]

If it was you who just changed the title from Elliot to a dead name, Alf, that's a pretty tasteless thing to do

All because he found people not finding Katie Hopkins' funny "abusive". :think:

Let's see what happens if I give Ellen Page the sort of abuse that Katie Hopkins gets. And yes, that's Ellen Page, because she's a woman.

[Scarlett.]

I'll never understand why someones personal gender identity is such a point of contention to some people

[Amy Jade]

I don't get the title change?

[thesheriff443]

To be honest children Are raised according to their sex, boys get cars to play with and girls get dolls
And this continues as they grow up to what a boy does and what a girl does
So it’s no surprise that parents and their children growing find it hard dealing with questions of sexuality.

My opinion is people should be allowed and encouraged to live their lives as they see themselves.

[Jarrod]

I wasn't really aware of Elliot before, I've watched a few episodes of The Umbrella Academy but isn't really for me but I'm so glad they can now be their true self.

In terms of this thread/title, disgusting - have a bit more respect for him. What he's done is a huge thing and deserves nothing but support.

[Jordan.]

logged in and out twice to change a thread title what a baby

[Black Dagger]

The title change is ****ing disgusting. How dare you.

[Tom4784]

I'll never understand why someones personal gender identity is such a point of contention to some people

Snowflakes gonna snowflake.

[arista]

Why does he talk like Siri?

He is Very Alert

[Oliver_W]

I have a question. If you take it as offensive then that's your problem, because it's not meant in any offensive way.

Just to clear this up for me, so that I can understand.

I assume that the girlfriend is bi? Because if she was gay, wouldn't that cause a bit of a problem in their relationship?

I guess it depends at what point the girlfriend stops being attracted to Page. If Page doesn't medically transition, and/or doesn't experience noticeable bodily changes, then the girlfriend would still be a lesbian for being attracted to Page. But if Page does start to resemble a guy, and if the girlfriend is still attrscted, then she's bi.

[GoldHeart]

The title change is ****ing disgusting. How dare you.

I'm confused, has it been changed again??? :conf:

[user104658]

I guess it depends at what point the girlfriend stops being attracted to Page. If Page doesn't medically transition, and/or doesn't experience noticeable bodily changes, then the girlfriend would still be a lesbian for being attracted to Page. But if Page does start to resemble a guy, and if the girlfriend is still attrscted, then she's bi.I think the reality of choosing to transition when you have a partner must include accepting that they may no longer be sexually attracted to you. But also, you'd assume that anyone in a GOOD relationship would have those conversations long before any actual physical transition started.

You do of course get those who claim its "transphobic" for a lesbian woman (or gay man) to no longer be sexually interested in someone once they've changed gender... Which obviously is nonsense.

And then there's the elephant in the room even for those who are bisexual/pansexual; an attractive woman does not necessarily transition to being an attractive man, an attractive man does not necessarily make an attractive woman. And vice versa, actually; many look objectively better.

[Black Dagger]

I'm confused, has it been changed again??? :conf:

It got changed back to the original after Alf changed the title to his dead name.

[Niamh.]

Just regarding "Vanya" in The Umbrella Academy, that name is unisex anyway and the character is very gender neutral (eventhough I know she's supposed to be female)

[Oliver_W]

I think the reality of choosing to transition when you have a partner must include accepting that they may no longer be sexually attracted to you. But also, you'd assume that anyone in a GOOD relationship would have those conversations long before any actual physical transition started.

You do of course get those who claim its "transphobic" for a lesbian woman (or gay man) to no longer be sexually interested in someone once they've changed gender... Which obviously is nonsense.

And then there's the elephant in the room even for those who are bisexual/pansexual; an attractive woman does not necessarily transition to being an attractive man, an attractive man does not necessarily make an attractive woman. And vice versa, actually; many look objectively better.

eeeehhhh I see what you mean, but if Page is only intending to transition socially, then he will never really look male, so a female who finds him attractive would still be lesbian...

[Captain.Remy]

J.K. Rowling being salty and having an opinion somewhere reading this news.

[Niamh.]

J.K. Rowling being salty and having an opinion somewhere reading this news.

What does that even mean?

[Marsh.]

J.K. Rowling being salty and having an opinion somewhere reading this news.

Educate yourself before spouting sh*te like this. Try reading her words and not someone else's opinion of her.

[user104658]

J.K. Rowling being salty and having an opinion somewhere reading this news.

Having a WHAT??? How DARE she! Which group's opinion does she have? Not... Not one of her own, surely? What a useless dried up old hag!

[Captain.Remy]

Educate yourself before spouting sh*te like this. Try reading her words and not someone else's opinion of her.

Yeah it's OK, we all know what she thinks. As a LGBTQ person myself, trust I'm well educated about this, and so is the rest of the community and trans people who felt hurt about what she said.

Anyway, a lot of support to Eliott Page and that's what matters :love:

[Captain.Remy]

Having a WHAT??? How DARE she! Which group's opinion does she have? Not... Not one of her own, surely? What a useless dried up old hag!

It's like I'm having an opinion about someone being a man or a woman. It's kind of useless, and I'm not having one.
People can just give love, support and go about their day. It's not that hard.
But obviously people had A LOT to say about Eliott, as usual.

We love you Eliott :love:

[Niamh.]

It's like I'm having an opinion about someone being a man or a woman. It's kind of useless, and I'm not having one.
People can just give love, support and go about their day. It's not that hard.
But obviously people had A LOT to say about Eliott, as usual.

We love you Eliott :love:

Has JK Rowling given an opinion on Elliot because I don't think she has? You've imagined an opinion for her that, from what I have read from JK Rowling probably is very very wrong.

[AnnieK]

Totally ruining the thread by dragging JK in. Most people in here will be supportive and show the love to Elliot during his transition but bringing up a divisive topic kind of demeans it, especially when JK hasn't commented on this news.

[Beso]

How times have changed...I would have gotten a clout round the lug hole from my dad for suggesting such a thing.

[Oliver_W]

How times have changed...I would have gotten a clout round the lug hole from my dad for suggesting such a thing.
Isn't Page about 35?

Yeah it's OK, we all know what she thinks. As a LGBT person myself, trust I'm well educated about this, and so is the rest of the community and trans people who felt hurt about what she said.

Anyway, a lot of support to Eliott Page and that's what matters :love:

So you're a lesbian, bisexual, gay, and transexual?! That's quite an accomplishment!

I'm gay and her words haven't hurt me, because they weren't hurtful.

[Captain.Remy]

Oh wow a lot of feelings out there regarding my comment.
Alright, so to be clear: no JK Rowling didn't make any comment about Elliott (that we know of). I wrote that comment in a silly way because well, a lot of people have had strong negative opinions about Elliott coming out and because JK Rowling is known for some opinions she has about transgender people.

Also, to people who are not trans and don't think the comments were hurtful: Congratulations, I guess? Good for you? She received a lot of backlash from Trans (and non-trans) people, so 1. that's for a reason and 2. only them know what to feel.
I'm just saying I support what these (and obviously not all) people feel, and can see why it could be potentially hurtful to them.
I mean, who am I to say I don't agree with what trans people feel. I guess they do not know better. (since it's recurring for people to tell other people how they should feel)

So yeah, silly me. I'm back to cooking. At least people on TIBB are tolerant and welcoming when it comes to that. Good night guys ! :love:

PS: no, I'm not a lesbian, bisexual, gay, and transexual all at once. Though that would be a fun experience to try for one day :laugh: But you got the point. Being bi is enough for me!

[Oliver_W]

Oh wow a lot of feelings out there regarding my comment.
Alright, so to be clear: no JK Rowling didn't make any comment about Elliott (that we know of). I wrote that comment in a silly way because well, a lot of people have had strong negative opinions about Elliott coming out and because JK Rowling is known for some opinions she has about transgender people.

Also, to people who are not trans and don't think the comments were hurtful: Congratulations, I guess?

What has she said that's hurtful?

[Marsh.]

Yeah it's OK, we all know what she thinks. As a LGBTQ person myself, trust I'm well educated about this, and so is the rest of the community and trans people who felt hurt about what she said.

Anyway, a lot of support to Eliott Page and that's what matters :love:

You're gay so you're the only one allowed an opinion on trans matters and you're the expert? :joker:

No.

[Shaun]

is there not a hint of irony that there are - so far - 5 people attacking Remy in here for a daft aside comment when the narrative is supposed to be that WokeTwitter are the ones forcing things down our throats?

chill out, everyone

[Marsh.]

No one's attacked him. So no.

[AnnieK]

is there not a hint of irony that there are - so far - 5 people attacking Remy in here for a daft aside comment when the narrative is supposed to be that WokeTwitter are the ones forcing things down our throats?

chill out, everyone

Attacking? Really? Commenting on a post is now attacking people?

My point was purely to query the reasoning behind a JK Rowling reference in a thread that should, quite rightly, have been quite celebratory and recognising the transition he has begun. I merely queried why bring up Rowling in this thread, knowing it would spark debate when there is already a thread dedicated to that particular subject. It detracts from what this thread should be about imo.

Couldn't have been further than an attack if I tried.

[Marsh.]

Also, to people who are not trans and don't think the comments were hurtful: Congratulations, I guess? Good for you?

You're not trans yourself? And there's plenty trans people who agreed with her. So all that proves is everyone has a different opinion on it regardless of trans status so speaking on behalf of the LGBT community because you're bi is a little silly.

And it's also turning the topic into something it never was. JK's essay wasn't attacking transpeople, it was raising concerns about things that affect young people and women, both trans and cis. And that is a topic relevant to anyone.

[GoldHeart]

J.K. Rowling being salty and having an opinion somewhere reading this news.

Wow another dig at JK Rowling :notimpressed:

[Niamh.]

is there not a hint of irony that there are - so far - 5 people attacking Remy in here for a daft aside comment when the narrative is supposed to be that WokeTwitter are the ones forcing things down our throats?

chill out, everyoneI didn't attack him, I like Remy :oh:

[Black Dagger]

STICK JK ROWLING IN THE BIN x

[Crimson Dynamo]

dead name?

that sounds like something from Harry Potter

:confused:

[Black Dagger]

dead name?

that sounds like something from Harry Potter

:confused:

Yeah. The concept of anything that isn't cis white man would confuse you. We know this.

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/DailyMailCeleb/status/1347165882137640960

He's one of the UK's most high-profile public figures to come out as gay.

And 32 years after his own acknowledgement of his sexuality, Sir Ian McKellen is praising Elliot Page for announcing last month that he is transgender.

The two worked together on the 2006 Hollywood movie X-Men Last Stand and the British actor told Attitude magazine he's 'very happy' for Page.

Page played Shadowcat in Last Stand that came out the year before his starring role in the indie film Juno put him, then as Ellen Page, on the map.

McKellen, who starred in the X-Men films as Magneto, told the magazine that he is 'so disappointed' he failed to realize that the then teenage Page was struggling with sexual identity.

'I remember Elliot Page, in one of the X-Men, sat as close as we are now. And I had to speak when they'd finished, and I couldn't hear what they were saying. Nobody could hear what they were saying,' he recalled.

'So, I said, 'Look, if you can't speak up, would you mind when you're finished speaking, just dropping your hand so I know when you've finished speaking?'

He went on: 'And then they came out [as gay] years later and suddenly you couldn't stop them talking. You heard everything.'

McKellen, 81, said: 'I'm so happy for Elliot. And so disappointed in myself that I didn't detect what their difficulty was with communicating.'

'Everything gets better [when you come out] because you get self-confidence', he explained. 'You get better in terms of relationships, friends of all sorts, family, if you're lucky. And in my case, I think in every case, your acting is bound to change and improve.'

McKellen came out in 1988 as a protest against then Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher's section 28 that forbade local government and schools from 'promoting homosexuality'.