Christmas in London cancelled - Full Lockdown

[Smithy]

https://twitter.com/carolin64723572/status/1340288874472493059?s=21

[Kizzy]

Well ...there's a surprise :/

[arista]

Owen Jones new tweet:
Three days after Boris Johnson
accused Keir Starmer of wanting to "cancel Christmas",
Boris Johnson is about to cancel Christmas
for London and the South East.

[Cherie]

Good!

[Nicky91]

''christmas is cancelled'' is kinda overreacting LOL

i do however feel sad for those who live alone and can't receive visitors or visit anyone now for holidays (which again is draining on them mentally)


otherwise you can just celebrate christmas with those who live with you, just make things extra festive at home, and if you got a balcony, make full advantage even if you can't sing that well doesn't matter, just chant some christmas classic songs for overall morale (something what i liked seeing on tv, back in march in Italy)

[Cherie]

''christmas is cancelled'' is kinda overreacting LOL

i do however feel sad for those who live alone and can't receive visitors or visit anyone now for holidays (which again is draining on them mentally)


otherwise you can just celebrate christmas with those who live with you, just make things extra festive at home, and if you got a balcony, make full advantage even if you can't sing that well doesn't matter, just chant some christmas classic songs for overall morale (something what i liked seeing on tv, back in march in Italy)

If someone starts chanting from their balcony i am likely to spill blood :laugh:

[AnnieK]

If someone starts chanting from their balcony i am likely to spill blood :laugh:

:laugh:

[reece(:]

Shambolic government.

[arista]

Shambolic government.


It's China's fault

[LukeB]

I mean Christmas isn’t cancelled for everyone in london just those who live alone and had plans really.

I feel sorry for those who live by themselves and had plans tbh. No one should be alone over Christmas especially after this year.

[reece(:]

I feel sorry for those who live by themselves and had plans tbh. No one should be alone over Christmas especially after this year.

I think support bubbles will still be fine

[arista]

350,000 have had the first part 1
of the Vaccine.

[Strictly Jake]

Oh yes but sure they waited until everyone had got aall the food and presents etc in to waste money in tje economy. **** **** **** them. Twats

[Smithy]

It's China's fault

And yet other countries have eradicated the virus

Bore off masking your arse licking of the government with xenophobia arista, this government is a joke

[Strictly Jake]

And yet other countries have eradicated the virus

Bore off masking your arse licking of the government with xenophobia arista, this government is a joke

Agreed its a shameful government. This is the biggesr joke of all time. They waited until everyone spent hundreds on food a presents and then cancel it!

[arista]

For
Slick Reece


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[Nicky91]

Agreed its a shameful government. This is the biggesr joke of all time. They waited until everyone spent hundreds on food a presents and then cancel it!

of course since the brexit thing (alongside coronacrisis) is gonna be a hard blow on the economy, so makes sense they waited until people had spent enough

[arista]

And yet other countries have eradicated the virus

Bore off masking your arse licking of the government with xenophobia arista, this government is a joke


No Thank You
Smithy

[Dogeatdog]

This government is a joke, constantly saying one thing and then doing another. They knew there was a possibility of cases rising in the winter months and they’ve done **** all to prepare or think of a solution for it.

[arista]

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[arista]

WEDS Paper

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[Brother Leon]

We had people in football stadiums just a week ago. What a joke :laugh:

[arista]

The Labour Leader
back's this Tier 4.
But on Weds PMQ's he said the PM
brushed aside, all he said.


He was on SkyNewsHD
now on BBCnewsHD

[bots]

The whole thing is crazy, but the simple fact is people have not been social distancing. We have seen packed shopping centres, with people not showing a care in the world, and then surprise surprise the infection rate goes up

[Dogeatdog]

Me about Boris as PM

0_Mf-lGTVZE

[reece(:]

The Labour Leader
back's this Tier 4.
But on Weds PMQ's he said the PM
brushed aside, all he said.


He was on SkyNewsHD
now on BBCnewsHD

He's also a joke.

[Mystic Mock]

Owen Jones new tweet:
Three days after Boris Johnson
accused Keir Starmer of wanting to "cancel Christmas",
Boris Johnson is about to cancel Christmas
for London and the South East.

Boris doesn't have a clue how to handle this Pandemic or practically anything that requires strong leadership.

He only has a fanbase for his personality, and Covid is showcasing that you need more than charisma to run the country.

[Kazanne]

This government is a joke, constantly saying one thing and then doing another. They knew there was a possibility of cases rising in the winter months and they’ve done **** all to prepare or think of a solution for it.

Well they HAVE to change things as new advice comes in don't they ? this is a different variant they have now to deal with,it's really not so hard to understand things will change all the time,so much for people saying London was favoured.

[Kazanne]

Boris doesn't have a clue how to handle this Pandemic or practically anything that requires strong leadership.

He only has a fanbase for his personality, and Covid is showcasing that you need more than charisma to run the country.

I don't think ANYONE has a clue ,they just think they do ,things will change all the time as new advice comes in, people really need to stop the blame game and take some responsibility for themselves .He has already said loud and clear, the decisions are hard but new advice is coming in all the time and they have to follow that ,so not so much a shambles imo ,but a necessity. Stay safe Mocky:wavey:

[Cal.]

It’s a disgrace!

[Dogeatdog]

Well they HAVE to change things as new advice comes in don't they ? this is a different variant they have now to deal with,it's really not so hard to understand things will change all the time,so much for people saying London was favoured.

If they listened to the advice they were given at the beginning we may have not been in this mess.

[LukeB]

If they listened to the advice they were given at the beginning we may have not been in this mess.

:clap1:

and the public begged and did a petition for the schools to be closed and that was ignored and they ignored the bit where it said schools played a huge part in the second wave.

I still stand by we should have done lockdown 1 way before it got out of control and lockdown 2 should have been done sooner as well. The Economy will suffer because the gov doesn't know what they are doing and letting it get out of hand so we will get lockdown after lockdown.

[Kazanne]

If they listened to the advice they were given at the beginning we may have not been in this mess.

The new strain wasnt about then, I would wager they know more about it than we do.

[Dogeatdog]

The new strain wasnt about then, I would wager they know more about it than we do.

But it was aware that a second wave would happen in the winter months and experts warned that it was imminent but the government still ignored it and opened schools and restaurants anyways.

[Cherie]

they should have done this weeks ago, the relaxation was sheer madness

[LukeB]

they should have done this weeks ago, the relaxation was sheer madness

Makes you wonder why London was put in tier 2 in the first place :skull:

[Mystic Mock]

I don't think ANYONE has a clue ,they just think they do ,things will change all the time as new advice comes in, people really need to stop the blame game and take some responsibility for themselves .He has already said loud and clear, the decisions are hard but new advice is coming in all the time and they have to follow that ,so not so much a shambles imo ,but a necessity. Stay safe Mocky:wavey:

Personally I feel that if we had a Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, John Major, or even the Iron Lady in charge of this Pandemic that they would come up with more efficient plans than the clowns that are currently in charge at the moment.

Boris has been warned for a while now that Covid was gonna be a massive issue around the Winter months and has only started to take action a few days before Christmas, no wonder people are pissed.

And thanks, I hope that you stay safe too Kazanne.:)

[thesheriff443]

Keep calm and carry on.
People giving it the large until they are saying goodbye to a loved one.

[Gstar]

Shambles

We should of just stayed in the November Lockdown until next week

[Kizzy]

The strain that was and still is about now is deadly.. was that not reason enough to lock down? This new strain is irrelevant as the old threat still exists :/

[bots]

The strain that was and still is about now is deadly.. was that not reason enough to lock down? This new strain is irrelevant as the old threat still exists :/

tier 3 has kept the likes of liverpool and manchester in check, but that isn't enough in london and the south east, so its very relevant. If the new strain takes hold in the rest of the country, the whole country will end up in tier 4 until April

[Strictly Jake]

The strain that was and still is about now is deadly.. was that not reason enough to lock down? This new strain is irrelevant as the old threat still exists :/

Yeah i agree here they shouldnt have told anyone that rules were gonna be relaxed. At least noone would have made plans that way and know what to expect

I am so frustrated I get how health and lives are so much more important so its best to cancel plans but ita getting peoples hopes up and getting them to splash the cash that i find disgraceful.

[thesheriff443]

The virus is an invisible killer
People where demanding their freedom back
Plus it was killing people businesses.

Damed if he does damed if he doesn’t.

[Dogeatdog]

Keep calm and carry on.
People giving it the large until they are saying goodbye to a loved one.

I don’t think this is really fair to say. There’s businesses out there, some maybe on the brink of going under that have bent there arse over backwards doing their best to comply with the rules and operate in a safe manner and they are still being forced to close by the ignorance of this government.

I also feel for the majority of elderly in care homes that at the moment are almost being treated like prisoners, not being able to see any relatives since March and is at some stage (or may have already begun) to impact on their mental health.

There is % of the public whose actions are a reason to blame for this but the government should also hold accountability too.

[Vanessa]

We're in tier 4 :skull:

[bots]

We're in tier 4 :skull:

me too ... but honestly it won't affect my plans at all, i had already postponed my Christmas with relatives

[Vanessa]

me too ... but honestly it won't affect my plans at all, i had already postponed my Christmas with relatives

I just feel a bit lonely sometimes.
Thank god I can still go to work, than helps.

[Barry.]

I just feel a bit lonely sometimes.
Thank god I can still go to work, than helps.

You’ll be alone I guess?

[Smithy]

Well they HAVE to change things as new advice comes in don't they ? this is a different variant they have now to deal with,it's really not so hard to understand things will change all the time,so much for people saying London was favoured.

The new strain wasnt about then, I would wager they know more about it than we do.

They knew about this new strain last week, boris said on Wednesday he wasn’t going to make any changes to the plans and he’s done another U turn. It’s embarrassing

[Vanessa]

You’ll be alone I guess?

Yes. :(

[joeysteele]

This should have been announced earlier, however the procrastination has been the trademark of this PM and his government all through.

Relaxing 5 days at Christmas was always going to be a dangerous error.

The measures are right but as ever from this inept PM, likely again too late.

The simple fact is he and the Ministers HE'S chosen are NOT up to the task and have by dangerous action at times, plus their inaction too shown that all through.

Now, perhaps no one else would have done any better.
I doubt that myself, we needed clarity, truth and necessary at each needed time action.
All we got and get is muddle, deceit and even lies and finally dangerous procrastination.

Scandalous and a shambles.

[Kizzy]

tier 3 has kept the likes of liverpool and manchester in check, but that isn't enough in london and the south east, so its very relevant. If the new strain takes hold in the rest of the country, the whole country will end up in tier 4 until April

You misunderstood the point there.. and once again made some bizarre reference to a difference in behaviours that has enabled the spread in some areas but not other's.

Why were the rules OK for the north but not SE?
The levels there were rising way before the new strain was discovered. As I said months ago there is NOTHING that will stop this virus from engulfing the country bar a vaccine.

Let's hope it's effective for this new strain.

[Kizzy]

Boris has finally stopped bowing to business and started listening g to the health experts...it's about time!!

[arista]

This should have been announced earlier, however the procrastination has been the trademark of this PM and his government all through.

Relaxing 5 days at Christmas was always going to be a dangerous error.

The measures are right but as ever from this inept PM, likely again too late.

The simple fact is he and the Ministers HE'S chosen are NOT up to the task and have by dangerous action at times, plus their inaction too shown that all through.

Now, perhaps no one else would have done any better.
I doubt that myself, we needed clarity, truth and necessary at each needed time action.
All we got and get is muddle, deceit and even lies and finally dangerous procrastination.

Scandalous and a shambles.


Blame Vallance and Whitty as well

[bots]

They only got the data on the new variant on Friday so it was a very rapid reaction to that. I always said that the 5 day mixing over Christmas was a bad idea, but it was agreed by all the 4 nations at the time, so they take collective responsibility for the stupidity

[Cherie]

Well some people were crying out for direction on Christmas from the government...they got it in spades :laugh:

[Jake.]

Announcing this five days before Christmas is an absolute farce. Shambolic doesn’t even cut it anymore.

[UserSince2005]

I’m actually ****ed off. They made the rail companies mark all trains this evening as sold out. Literally cutting me off. How dare they

[Beso]

Its ****e.

[Oliver_W]

Just think how better everything would be if they'd have done a circuit breaker when Sir Keir suggested it...

[joeysteele]

Blame Vallance and Whitty as well

Well the health experts always expressed concern at the 5 day relaxation at Christmas.
Johnson has NOT always followed the health and science.

Only when it suited him until forced by the dangerous delays to then eventually act.

He's even disregarded health and science advice at times too.

[Vanessa]

:sad: oh well, hopefully things will get better with the vaccine.

[GoldHeart]

Tier 4 now :facepalm: , I bet they'll announce tier 5 next .

[smudgie]

So most of us still get a Christmas of sorts.
Albeit shorter and less people allowed.
Roll on Easter, hopefully we can all go crackers.

[Kizzy]

You know what.. I'm beginning to thing this was all very much planned. I don't think it's been the **** show it first appears.

Yes people have died but in a very controlled way to avoid overloading NHS capacity. I'd say In MY OPINION that this was achieved by covertly adopting the herd immunity strategy.

By this I mean that there has been a staggering of exposure by differing groups to maximise spread in different age groups and now geographical areas.

First everything was locked down then slowly exposure was turned on an off in order, shops closed then restaurants opened, then gyms opened, then schools opened, people could meet indoors then shops closed again, restaurants closed again but gyms, shops and schools stayed open ... now it's no meeting again.

It's like they are deliberately edging towards a tipping point then pulling back the reins.

[Cherie]

Just think how better everything would be if they'd have done a circuit breaker when Sir Keir suggested it...

Like Wales? What a success that has been :laugh:

[Cherie]

So most of us still get a Christmas of sorts.
Albeit shorter and less people allowed.
Roll on Easter, hopefully we can all go crackers.

Yes, you would think the end of the world was nigh the way some are carrying on

[LukeB]

It’s no different in Germany, France, Spain, Italy :shrug:

But there's places who aren't in our situation because their gov hasn't ****ed up likes ours:shrug:

[Scarlett.]

Apparently trains out of London are packed way over the recommended COVID capacity
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[Cherie]

But there's places who aren't in our situation because their gov hasn't ****ed up likes ours:shrug:

Where in Europe are these places?

[Cherie]

Apparently trains out of London are packed way over the recommended COVID capacity
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Idiots, imagine these people arriving on your doorstep, they know they are potentially carrying a virus but heading off anyway

[arista]

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[arista]

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[LukeB]

Where in Europe are these places?

I was speaking about places all over the world not only Europe but like Dezzy said this could have been avoided if common sense was used yes rule breakers but that wasn’t the only issue. You can’t excuse entering lockdown too late, lockdown not being strict enough and keeping the schools open when that was one of the main reasons why the cases went up. How hard ls it to blame the leaders as well as rule breakers? No one can say the UK are doing great and the gov are doing great.

[Kizzy]

Oh but the govt are doing great! It's their covid hokey cokey.

Altogether now!..

..in,out, in, out spread it all about. Put us into lock down then flip it all around that's what it's all about!

Ooooohhh do the covid cokey. ... oOoooohhh do the covid cokey, Ooooohhh do the covid cokey, Boris is bent NHS is stretched RaRaRa!

[Cherie]

I was speaking about places all over the world not only Europe but like Dezzy said this could have been avoided if common sense was used yes rule breakers but that wasn’t the only issue. You can’t excuse entering lockdown too late, lockdown not being strict enough and keeping the schools open when that was one of the main reasons why the cases went up. How hard ls it to blame the leaders as well as rule breakers? No one can say the UK are doing great and the gov are doing great.

I’m not excusing anything I asked you what country in Europe has succeeded in eradicating the virus, and you haven’t responded, even Germany which practically survived the first wave is struggling

[Cherie]

Oh but the govt are doing great! It's their covid hokey cokey.

Altogether now!..

..in,out, in, out spread it all about. Put us into lock down then flip it all around that's what it's all about!

Ooooohhh do the covid cokey. ... oOoooohhh do the covid cokey, Ooooohhh do the covid cokey, Boris is bent NHS is stretched RaRaRa!

Are you okay :laugh:

[LaLaLand]

Drakeford gave everyone here in Wales like 4 hours notice for Lockdown. Shocking.

[Cherie]

Drakeford gave everyone here in Wales like 4 hours notice for Lockdown. Shocking.

Does not not point to how worried they are, it’s not been done for fun :shrug:

[arista]

Just think how better everything would be if they'd have done a circuit breaker when Sir Keir suggested it...



No that was Stupid
2 weeks is not long enough


Keir got it so wrong.

[Scarlett.]

No that was Stupid
2 weeks is not long enough


Keir got it so wrong.

Cause Johnson has got it so right, so far

[Jake.]

No that was Stupid
2 weeks is not long enough


Keir got it so wrong.

If you say so!

[LukeB]

I’m not excusing anything I asked you what country in Europe has succeeded in eradicating the virus, and you haven’t responded, even Germany which practically survived the first wave is struggling

Ok maybe Europe are failing at this (not Canary Islands though much safer and stricter there) but still some places have been successful and did the right thing, Australia and New Zealand are doing fantastic. They shut their border and we didn't.

[arista]

Cause Johnson has got it so right, so far


No they are racing the Virus
but the Virus also has a Turbo engine.

[arista]

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[LukeB]

Apparently trains out of London are packed way over the recommended COVID capacity
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Idiots but it was obvious this was going to happen, giving people enough hours to escape london. I remember when we had 5 days notice of Lockdown 2 and the next day loads of people rushed to retail shops that it felt like december.

[arista]

Idiots but it was obvious this was going to happen, giving people enough hours to escape London. I remember when we had 5 days notice of Lockdown 2 and the next day loads of people rushed to retail shops that it felt like December.


Yes BBC Laura
said it to the PM and Whitty.

[arista]

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[LaLaLand]

The amount of people on social media who have waited for whatever reason to leave their Christmas shopping until last minute (as in starting this coming Monday) and now realising everywhere they need to go will be closed is worrying.

If the gifts they want aren't in the kids section of somewhere "essential" or they can get them delivered this week from online they're stuffed basically. Seen so many saying their kids will be going without this Christmas, sad on top of everything else. :sad:

[Josy]

Idiots but it was obvious this was going to happen, giving people enough hours to escape london. I remember when we had 5 days notice of Lockdown 2 and the next day loads of people rushed to retail shops that it felt like december.What would be the perfect timeframe then to give the public as notice? They give less than 24 hours and this rush happens, they give a week or more and still a mad rush happens so what are they supposed to do? it's always going to be a damned if they do damned if they dont situation.

Imo there isnt a perfect timeframe, there isnt a perfect solution to any of the issues and there isnt an ideal scenario that's going to suit everyone, the fact is it's an ongoing ever changing never seen before situation we are in, there is no rule book telling anyone how to deal with it and what to do next and the same applies to countries worldwide it's not just the UK government that have made stupid slow decisions throughout all of this and most people wont deny that but its this added to the ongoing stupidity and selfishness of the public that's causing issues and the blame certainly doesnt lie solely with one party.

[arista]

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OK Darren

Very caring comments from you.

[LukeB]

What would be the perfect timeframe then to give the public as notice? They give less than 24 hours and this rush happens, they give a week or more and still a mad rush happens so what are they supposed to do? it's always going to be a damned if they do damned if they dont situation.

Imo there isnt a perfect timeframe, there isnt a perfect solution to any of the issues and there isnt an ideal scenario that's going to suit everyone, the fact is it's an ongoing ever changing never seen before situation we are in, there is no rule book telling anyone how to deal with it and what to do next and the same applies to countries worldwide it's not just the UK government that have made stupid slow decisions throughout all of this and most people wont deny that but its this added to the ongoing stupidity and selfishness of the public that's causing issues and the blame certainly doesnt lie solely with one party.

I don't get why people are so defensive over the gov when people are rightfully angry and annoyed with how they handled this, yes rule breakers are to blame as well and no one is saying any different but when you look at all the stupid stuff the gov have done then ofc they will get most of the blame. Not shutting the borders, acting too late, not listening to advice given and not shutting something that mostly caused the huge spike in cases....a lot of issues right from the start and still carrying it on. Yeah maybe there isn't a perfect timeframe regarding the train station situation but no one is that naïve to think that wouldn't have happened, they had enough time to pack and go so a better plan should have been put in place especially after how stupid it was to give a 5 days notice. We're not strict enough which is another issue.

[Scarlett.]

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OK Darren

Very caring comments from you.

The North have basically been in lockdown for months and told that its our fault. No one came to our defence :shrug:

[Mystic Mock]

You misunderstood the point there.. and once again made some bizarre reference to a difference in behaviours that has enabled the spread in some areas but not other's.

Why were the rules OK for the north but not SE?
The levels there were rising way before the new strain was discovered. As I said months ago there is NOTHING that will stop this virus from engulfing the country bar a vaccine.

Let's hope it's effective for this new strain.

Apparently the Vaccine is meant to be reasonably effective against the new strain.

But obviously we'll just have to wait and see.

[Mystic Mock]

I’m not excusing anything I asked you what country in Europe has succeeded in eradicating the virus, and you haven’t responded, even Germany which practically survived the first wave is struggling

No other European Country is going into tier 4 five days before Christmas after the leader saying that he didn't want to ruin peoples Christmas.

[AnnieK]

The North have basically been in lockdown for months and told that its our fault. No one came to our defence :shrug:

Exactly....all we were told was we were selfish, not following the rules and it was our own fault. Now its a new strain causing exponential rises in the south....not the packed high streets and shoppers in London not social distancing, people on tubes etc.

I feel for those in Tier 4 and hope its enough to drive the cases down. People now have to take responsibility for their health and that of those close to them. The Gov can only do so much I know but they also need to be clear on the rules and shut the bloody schools till we get this under control again.

[bots]

people have been relaxed about following guidelines and it has been evident across the country. If it's a choice between a relaxed 5 days and a lockdown that saves lives I don't think its up for debate really.

Boris has always pushed the concept of a normal christmas right back to the summer and I could never understand that personally. I was even more surprised that the other uk administrations also bought into it having first hand information on how infections were trending. I therefore don't get why everyone is blaming Boris, other nations were in agreement, the media were pushing for it all the way.

Going back to the summer, The eat out to help out scheme was appropriate in the summer when the infection rate was low, but the moment universities and schools went back we have been on a downward spiral ever since, and it is so obvious to everyone that they are the root cause of infections we have today and yet the whole of the UK is saying that education should not be interrupted .... it's madness, pure and simple

[user104658]

Apparently the Vaccine is meant to be reasonably effective against the new strain.

But obviously we'll just have to wait and see.

Thus far it's thought to be individually just as effective against all currently known strains of Covid. The issue is that faster spread = more people need to be vaccinated for effective herd immunity (the first step to driving a virus out of circulation). But a vaccinated person (assuming it's effective and assuming they produce an immune response - remember that 5% to 10% of people won't) should be just as protected from this strain as they were from OG Covid.

Worth remembering that there were already multiple strains I suppose, and that the "Europe strain" (the one that most of Europe and the US have, thought to originate in Italy) was already faster-spreading than the original Chinese strain.

We don't know much about the newly discovered strain yet; there's always the possibility that it's weaker (in terms of symptoms and outcomes) than previous strains.

[user104658]

the moment universities and schools went back we have been on a downward spiral ever since, and it is so obvious to everyone that they are the root cause of infections we have today and yet the whole of the UK is saying that education should not be interrupted .... it's madness, pure and simple

It isn't "obvious" at all - it's certainly a valid hypothesis but cases tanked to almost nothing in the summer months and we've been on a downward spiral into winter since the end of summer - exactly in line with any other respiratory-spread virus. The simplest and most obvious explanation is that it started spreading again as soon as the weather shifted. They also reopened a tonne of other things (non-essential shopping, bars and pubs, sit-in dining) at around the same time the schools opened and again - a statistic I keep repeating - the trends in Scotland and England have gone in tandem every step of the way despite Scottish schools opening almost a full month earlier. If the major factor was schools, the graphs would reflect that, with cases north of the border starting to increase a month earlier than South. But they don't, the graphs overlap, thus whatever the variable is that caused the second wave, it's something that occurred at the same time in Scotland and England. That is simple deductive logic.

I'm not saying that cases don't spread in schools or even really making a case for them not closing for lockdown... I am saying though that the idea that not opening the schools back in August/September would have stopped the second wave or really had much of an impact on case numbers at all is at best "dubious" and in my opinion "wishful-thinking nonsense".

"If only we had done this, if only we had done that, maybe if we do THIS or THAT now..."

.... no, it's a seasonal virus that upsurged in October/November. This is not a mystery.

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

No that was Stupid
2 weeks is not long enough


Keir got it so wrong.

At the time it was called for, not just by Starmer but the science too.
With schools off at the time too.

It was far from stupid.

Whether the effect would have been much better is open to debate.
However that's the time it should have been done.
In line with the science calling for it to be and that call being supported by Starmer.

They then HAD to do a longer one later after Johnson's usual procrastination and indecision.

[Kazanne]

I’m not excusing anything I asked you what country in Europe has succeeded in eradicating the virus, and you haven’t responded, even Germany which practically survived the first wave is struggling

Oh Cherie,lol its just a great excuse for some to bash a government who have had the nads to take Brexit through, to blame one man for all this is frankly stupid , its an unknown to everyone, no country has this under control, plus the advice has been laid out and people still don't get it,then throw their dummies out when things don't go their way.
:wavey:

[joeysteele]

Oh Cherie,lol its just a great excuse for some to bash a government who have had the nads to take Brexit through, to blame one man for all this is frankly stupid , its an unknown to everyone, no country has this under control, plus the advice has been laid out and people still don't get it,then throw their dummies out when things don't go their way.
:wavey:

Honestly that is pathetic sorry to say to attack people for this government's disastrous handling of this pandemic, to accuse them of being against a brexit Cabinet.

Ignore all you like the times this PM has dismissed scientific and health advice.
Have presided over a still rising and shocking deaths total, only on numbers within 28 days of diagnosis too.

How many have died more than 28 days later.

People have lost loved ones in the thousands,hundreds of thousands grieving families, friends, workmates and neighbours.

Yet you summarise as it's those against brexit.
Honestly it beggars belief.

I'll get jumped on for saying this, I've lost 4 special people from my life to this hateful virus and in part due to this government's incompetence too.
I don't want to lose any more.
That's why I attack their failure, nothing to do with brexit.

Which actually they're making it seems at present , a right pig's ear of that too for the UK anyway, since YOU bring it up.

[Beso]

No other European Country is going into tier 4 five days before Christmas after the leader saying that he didn't want to ruin peoples Christmas.



That's the crux of it..

He didnt want to, but in the end had to to save lives.

[GoldHeart]

Honestly that is pathetic sorry to say to attack people for this government's disastrous handling of this pandemic, to accuse them of being against a brexit Cabinet.

Ignore all you like the times this PM has dismissed scientific and health advice.
Have presided over a still rising and shocking deaths total, only on numbers within 28 days of diagnosis too.

How many have died more than 28 days later.

People have lost loved ones in the thousands,hundreds of thousands grieving families, friends, workmates and neighbours.

Yet you summarise as it's those against brexit.
Honestly it beggars belief.

I'll get jumped on for saying this, I've lost 4 special people from my life to this hateful virus and in part due to this government's incompetence too.
I don't want to lose any more.
That's why I attack their failure, nothing to do with brexit.

Which actually they're making it seems at present , a right pig's ear of that too for the UK anyway, since YOU bring it up.

It's baffling that anyone thinks Boris is doing a good job, he isn't even trying his best :facepalm: . His leadership skills are abysmal , he's put people in more confusion and risked their health drastically .

He's gone back and forth more times than a yo-yo . And now there's tier 4 just when we thought things couldn't get any worse :bored:

[LukeB]

It's baffling that anyone thinks Boris is doing a good job, he isn't even trying his best :facepalm: . His leadership skills are abysmal , he's put people in more confusion and risked their health drastically .

He's gone back and forth more times than a yo-yo . And now there's tier 4 just when we thought things couldn't get any worse :bored:

They are scared to admit their own party ****ed so they use rule breakers as scapegoats. It’s just not sinking into some people that the choices the gov did had consequences and none of that can be blamed on rule breakers because they don’t make decisions to close the boarders or the schools or even decide to have a lockdown.

[joeysteele]

It's baffling that anyone thinks Boris is doing a good job, he isn't even trying his best :facepalm: . His leadership skills are abysmal , he's put people in more confusion and risked their health drastically .

He's gone back and forth more times than a yo-yo . And now there's tier 4 just when we thought things couldn't get any worse :bored:


Exactly right.

It's insulting to those who've lost loved ones to belittle and dismiss it as yet more brexit divisions.

REALLY I have to stop commenting on covid threads.
People just make me furious at their cold dismissive attitude to others losses, while racing to defend the man and government who should be protecting all.
Not presiding over rising death rates even on manipulated figures from said man and government.

It's unbelievable the lengths taken to defend this bunch of incompetents we're meant to be able to trust.

I don't care who was PM or or which party in government, if they'd performed as dangerously and incompetently as this lot have.
I'd be slating them just as I rightly am these.

Because when a public inquiry does come, if it's done correctly and SEEN to be done correctly, the evidence building against this lots dangerous practices, will I hope result in shame for this PM, his Ministers and their hard-line supporters too.

[Cherie]

Not one person on here has said he has done a good job, its interesting that the devolved leaders who signed off on the 5 day madness relaxation are getting no flak at all, when if something goes well they are held up as beacons of shining examples but fly under the radar when it all goes tits up, looking at shoppers in Central London on tv over the past week even without the new strain, Christmas was always going to be difficult to navigate

Tier 4 is lockdown GH, just a less threatening name :laugh:

[Cherie]

They are scared to admit their own party ****ed so they use rule breakers as scapegoats. It’s just not sinking into some people that the choices the gov did had consequences and none of that can be blamed on rule breakers because they don’t make decisions to close the boarders or the schools or even decide to have a lockdown.

I don’t have a party :shrug:

[arista]

At the time it was called for, not just by Starmer but the science too.
With schools off at the time too.

It was far from stupid.

Whether the effect would have been much better is open to debate.
However that's the time it should have been done.
In line with the science calling for it to be and that call being supported by Starmer.

They then HAD to do a longer one later after Johnson's usual procrastination and indecision.


Sure at that time,
but now 2 weeks is seen as not long enough.

[LukeB]

Honestly that is pathetic sorry to say to attack people for this government's disastrous handling of this pandemic, to accuse them of being against a brexit Cabinet.

Ignore all you like the times this PM has dismissed scientific and health advice.
Have presided over a still rising and shocking deaths total, only on numbers within 28 days of diagnosis too.

How many have died more than 28 days later.

People have lost loved ones in the thousands,hundreds of thousands grieving families, friends, workmates and neighbours.

Yet you summarise as it's those against brexit.
Honestly it beggars belief.

I'll get jumped on for saying this, I've lost 4 special people from my life to this hateful virus and in part due to this government's incompetence too.
I don't want to lose any more.
That's why I attack their failure, nothing to do with brexit.

Which actually they're making it seems at present , a right pig's ear of that too for the UK anyway, since YOU bring it up.

Great post Joey! As I said before people are rightfully annoyed and angry with how it’s been handled as it’s been mentally exhausting to deal with, just wish I could just move to Australia or New Zealand where it’s much safer there.

[Kazanne]

Honestly that is pathetic sorry to say to attack people for this government's disastrous handling of this pandemic, to accuse them of being against a brexit Cabinet.

Ignore all you like the times this PM has dismissed scientific and health advice.
Have presided over a still rising and shocking deaths total, only on numbers within 28 days of diagnosis too.

How many have died more than 28 days later.

People have lost loved ones in the thousands,hundreds of thousands grieving families, friends, workmates and neighbours.

Yet you summarise as it's those against brexit.
Honestly it beggars belief.

I'll get jumped on for saying this, I've lost 4 special people from my life to this hateful virus and in part due to this government's incompetence too.
I don't want to lose any more.
That's why I attack their failure, nothing to do with brexit.

Which actually they're making it seems at present , a right pig's ear of that too for the UK anyway, since YOU bring it up.

I knew you would not agree Joey,but this is how i see it ,what does he have to gain by causing anger amongst people who probably voted for him ? he didn't stand a chance really as soon as he became PM he got called for wanting Brexit,then this pandemic took hold so those that already hated him had something else to have a go at him for,I am sure he has done what he has been advised to do aswell as trying to keep Christmas for us,but it obviously cant happen so now the hammer has been brought down,that's not good enough either, he cant please everyone all of the time ,none of them can, and crowds are still protesting about its a made up virus !!! I for one feel sorry for him,I really would not want his job, would you ?Anyway you stay safe :wavey:

[Mystic Mock]

Thus far it's thought to be individually just as effective against all currently known strains of Covid. The issue is that faster spread = more people need to be vaccinated for effective herd immunity (the first step to driving a virus out of circulation). But a vaccinated person (assuming it's effective and assuming they produce an immune response - remember that 5% to 10% of people won't) should be just as protected from this strain as they were from OG Covid.

Worth remembering that there were already multiple strains I suppose, and that the "Europe strain" (the one that most of Europe and the US have, thought to originate in Italy) was already faster-spreading than the original Chinese strain.

We don't know much about the newly discovered strain yet; there's always the possibility that it's weaker (in terms of symptoms and outcomes) than previous strains.

I actually did not know about the 5 to 10% of people won't produce an immune response to the Vaccine, it makes sense, it's just I didn't think about it before.

And yeah hopefully the new strain is weaker.:fc:

[Mystic Mock]

At the time it was called for, not just by Starmer but the science too.
With schools off at the time too.

It was far from stupid.

Whether the effect would have been much better is open to debate.
However that's the time it should have been done.
In line with the science calling for it to be and that call being supported by Starmer.

They then HAD to do a longer one later after Johnson's usual procrastination and indecision.

Tbh Joey I honestly don't get why Boris and many of the other leaders around the world keep ignoring Scientists on a field that they will know far more about than most Political leaders or average joe off the street will ever know.

It's ludicrous.

[Kazanne]

Tbh Joey I honestly don't get why Boris and many of the other leaders around the world keep ignoring Scientists on a field that they will no far more about than most Political leaders or average joe off the street will ever know.

It's ludicrous.

How do you know they are ignoring them Mocky ? I doubt very much they are as this uturn was brought on by scientific advice.

[Mystic Mock]

That's the crux of it..

He didnt want to, but in the end had to to save lives.

Well then he should've done it a week ago imo as he was warned.

[LukeB]

Well then he should've done it a week ago imo as he was warned.

Well really we shouldn’t have left lockdown 2 because the cases were still high and it wasn’t really safe to do so and leaving the schools open was never going to help. Relaxing rules in December just screamed danger to me. Maybe if we entered lockdown 2 way earlier and had the schools shut so basically like lockdown 1 maybe we would have been much better.

[Mystic Mock]

How do you know they are ignoring them Mocky ? I doubt very much they are as this uturn was brought on by scientific advice.

As Joey's said earlier, the Scientists wanted this lockdown a week or two ago and Boris turned it down.

[Mystic Mock]

Well really we shouldn’t have left lockdown 2 because the cases were still high and it wasn’t really safe to do so and leaving the schools open was never going to help. Relaxing rules in December just screamed danger to me. Maybe if we entered lockdown 2 way earlier and had the schools shut so basically like lockdown 1 maybe we would have been much better.

I agree with you Luke.

[joeysteele]

I knew you would not agree Joey,but this is how i see it ,what does he have to gain by causing anger amongst people who probably voted for him ? he didn't stand a chance really as soon as he became PM he got called for wanting Brexit,then this pandemic took hold so those that already hated him had something else to have a go at him for,I am sure he has done what he has been advised to do aswell as trying to keep Christmas for us,but it obviously cant happen so now the hammer has been brought down,that's not good enough either, he cant please everyone all of the time ,none of them can, and crowds are still protesting about its a made up virus !!! I for one feel sorry for him,I really would not want his job, would you ?Anyway you stay safe :wavey:

I doubt it helps to just accuse those who see his failures as just brexit moaners as you did then.

He's ignored scientific advice as to the first lockdown, the circuit breaker, then the second lockdown done eventually.

Ignored the failures on the testing chaos he's presided over.

The deaths of those in care homes.
With inadequate testing all through the first months of even the first lockdown

He was told 5 days relaxation over Christmas, by health experts, it would lead to funerals in February.
He pressed on regardless.
Now has been shamed again and forced to cut it to only 1 day.
While now needing even more severe measures to deal with it.

If you consider that success and something to applaud then honestly, God help us.

[Kazanne]

As Joey's said earlier, the Scientists wanted this lockdown a week or two ago and Boris turned it down.

How do you know that for certain,was it in the press ?

[AnnieK]

How do you know that for certain,was it in the press ?

Sage scientists and the NHS have all been saying that the relaxation over christmas would lead to a huge surge in January. They were very vocal about it

[user104658]

Well really we shouldn’t have left lockdown 2 because the cases were still high and it wasn’t really safe to do so and leaving the schools open was never going to help. Relaxing rules in December just screamed danger to me. Maybe if we entered lockdown 2 way earlier and had the schools shut so basically like lockdown 1 maybe we would have been much better.Frankly, if the newer strain was already seeded (likely) then it would have made very little difference as even one or two rogue cases would have started to spread quickly as soon as restrictions were lessened. Unless you're talking a full lockdown until 70+% of the population is vaccinated, which realistically will be 2022, and thus impossible.

[user104658]

Sage scientists and the NHS have all been saying that the relaxation over christmas would lead to a huge surge in January. They were very vocal about itI mean... Common sense was saying that from the moment it was announced. One occasion where I think the "who needs experts?" nonsense actually does apply. Not because the experts aren't right, but because my 11 year old could have predicted that :hehe:.

I still say a surge peak would come mid February though. People would be sat at the end of Jan saying "pfft, what surge?" and then it would creep in the back door like "Hello sorry I'm late!"

[user104658]

Conspiracy theory time; there is no super infectious new strain. They realised that easing lockdown over Christmas would be a disaster but the cat was out of the bag, people wouldn't have accepted it being snatched back without good reason. Enter rumours of a terrifying "new strain", goodbye Christmas gatherings.

I'm not saying this is the case but... Well... It's not the most far fetched idea that's ever slapped my mind.

The timing is sus, and the amount of information they apparently have about the spread stats of this newly identified strain are oddly specific. :whistle:

[Beso]

Well then he should've done it a week ago imo as he was warned.

What difference would that have made.

The outcome that people cant meet in xmas day would still be the same.:shrug:

[user104658]

What difference would that have made.



The outcome that people cant meet in xmas day would still be the same.:shrug:Tbf I think "the earlier the better" because the closet to Christmas it was, the more people would already have made plans, and let's face it a large chunk of those people are going to go ahead with their plans regardless.

[joeysteele]

Well hapless Hancock has given a great revelation this morning.

He says the new strain is out of control.
In likely addition to the other strain too then.

How is he still in his job for crying out loud.
Just over a week ago he wasn't even mentioning this new strain..which apparently was known about in September/ October.
However nothing prepared again.

[Mystic Mock]

What difference would that have made.

The outcome that people cant meet in xmas day would still be the same.:shrug:

But people wouldn't have necessarily been making plans a week or two ago.

[Cherie]

Conspiracy theory time; there is no super infectious new strain. They realised that easing lockdown over Christmas would be a disaster but the cat was out of the bag, people wouldn't have accepted it being snatched back without good reason. Enter rumours of a terrifying "new strain", goodbye Christmas gatherings.

I'm not saying this is the case but... Well... It's not the most far fetched idea that's ever slapped my mind.

The timing is sus, and the amount of information they apparently have about the spread stats of this newly identified strain are oddly specific. :whistle:

Nickys nation conspiring as it’s been found there as well

And it has to be reported with genomic evidence to the WHO it’s not like they can claim it and then forget about it :omgno:

[Beso]

But people wouldn't have necessarily been making plans a week or two ago.

I think most people will start making plans at the start of the month, bu that wont include the food shop. I'm struggling to see what the issue is with the timing of xmas being cancelled?

Imo, the only people missing out monetary wise are the donuts like myself who did the food shop yesterday before the announcement...but I'm still going ahead with my plans so it will all be used.

[GoldHeart]

Great post Joey! As I said before people are rightfully annoyed and angry with how it’s been handled as it’s been mentally exhausting to deal with, just wish I could just move to Australia or New Zealand where it’s much safer there.

I'd rather choose New Zealand over Australia, Jacinda alone is a million times better than Boris ! ,atleast they have better control with Covid and they've had the least deaths .

[Cherie]

I'd rather choose New Zealand over Australia, Jacinda alone is a million times better than Boris ! ,atleast they have better control with Covid and they've had the least deaths .

Or you could simply go to the Isle of Wight where it is under control or one of the Orkney’s

[Beso]

Or you could simply go to the Isle of Wight where it is under control or one of the Orkney’s

Sturgeon would hunt you down and burn your body.

[user104658]

Nickys nation conspiring as it’s been found there as well

And it has to be reported with genomic evidence to the WHO it’s not like they can claim it and then forget about it :omgno:My confusion I suppose is that this early in the game they can't possibly have any idea "how much" more infectious it is as to be able to give a percentage figure - consider how long it took to get accurate stats back in Spring. They've identified a number of cases and that's enough for them to say its "x amount more infectious"? It just seems off. I can believe that they know its more infectious, significantly easier to transmit etc. but I think the numbers are being guesstimated for media/public consumption (as people are impatient and will not accept vagueries like "more" infectious).

[Cherie]

My confusion I suppose is that this early in the game they can't possibly have any idea "how much" more infectious it is as to be able to give a percentage figure - consider how long it took to get accurate stats back in Spring. They've identified a number of cases and that's enough for them to say its "x amount more infectious"? It just seems off. I can believe that they know its more infectious, significantly easier to transmit etc. but I think the numbers are being guesstimated for media/public consumption (as people are impatient and will not accept vagueries like "more" infectious).

Isn’t it down to the infection rate rising in Kent dramatically even through lockdown, not sure where 70 % came from, there were a few figures thrown out yesterday some as low as 30%

[Cherie]

Sturgeon would hunt you down and burn your body.

:hehe:

[Dogeatdog]

I doubt it helps to just accuse those who see his failures as just brexit moaners as you did then.

He's ignored scientific advice as to the first lockdown, the circuit breaker, then the second lockdown done eventually.

Ignored the failures on the testing chaos he's presided over.

The deaths of those in care homes.
With inadequate testing all through the first months of even the first lockdown

He was told 5 days relaxation over Christmas, by health experts, it would lead to funerals in February.
He pressed on regardless.
Now has been shamed again and forced to cut it to only 1 day.
While now needing even more severe measures to deal with it.

If you consider that success and something to applaud then honestly, God help us.

Very good posts Joey I agree with what you’ve said. It really baffles me why Boris is choosing to ignore advice that is being given to him by health experts. He has made some really poor decisions throughout this pandemic.

[GoldHeart]

I knew you would not agree Joey,but this is how i see it ,what does he have to gain by causing anger amongst people who probably voted for him ? he didn't stand a chance really as soon as he became PM he got called for wanting Brexit,then this pandemic took hold so those that already hated him had something else to have a go at him for,I am sure he has done what he has been advised to do aswell as trying to keep Christmas for us,but it obviously cant happen so now the hammer has been brought down,that's not good enough either, he cant please everyone all of the time ,none of them can, and crowds are still protesting about its a made up virus !!! I for one feel sorry for him,I really would not want his job, would you ?Anyway you stay safe :wavey:

Kaz I have to disagree , I have zero sympathy for a man that is a bumbling idiot :bored: . He's ignored alot of health advice & warnings and frankly common sense has gone out the window with him.

No I wouldn't want his job , but he's been so incompetent anyway .

[Cherie]

EU countries start to suspend travel to and from the UK due to new Covid strain

Is the EU cancelling Christmas for Brits :omgno: hang them now for putting public health first

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/italy-ban-travel-uk-coronavirus-b1776766.html

[Tom4784]

Boris is a ****ing idiot and a travesty of a PM, I'm not going to feel sorry for a moron who has ignored endless warnings to do what he wants and prolong this pandemic by doing so.

I'm so tired of people bending over backwards to defend ineptitude just because it's Boris. If Boris was Labour, the same people who are determined to defend him would be slating him, but you can bet most of the people slating him as a Tory would still do so if he was Labour, I certainly would.

He and the rest of the senior government knew about Covid months before he decided to act, they've known about this new strain for a while as well now but they've messed people around instead of doing what needed to be done earlier on. Boris deserves no sympathy and the people who act like he does would not be so sympathetic towards him if he wasn't a tory.

[Kazanne]

Kaz I have to disagree , I have zero sympathy for a man that is a bumbling idiot :bored: . He's ignored alot of health advice & warnings and frankly common sense has gone out the window with him.

No I wouldn't want his job , but he's been so incompetent anyway .

All we know GoldHeart is what the press and media convey what they want to us ,personally i think it would be political suicide to ignore advice and warnings ,also businesses have to keep afloat as if the economy goes down ,more people will suffer . its swings and roundabouts and yes mistakes have been made, but as long as we learn from them that's good, he is only human at the end of the day he wouldnt deliberately be making things hard for himself or the country, thats my opinion anyway,but anyway stay safe.:wavey:

[Tom4784]

People would not be saying 'he's only human!' if he was labour, or any other party that wasn't Tory. They wouldn't be so forgiving of his 'mistakes' then.

I'm so tired of people accepting mediocrity, no, that's too kind of a word, straight up incompetence is a better fit, just because it's a Tory at the helm. I'm so tired of Tory supporters being all like 'Imagine if Corbyn was in charge though!' No, I don't need hypotheticals when we're in a ****ing nightmare right now.

I'm just sick of it all.

[user104658]

EU countries start to suspend travel to and from the UK due to new Covid strain



Is the EU cancelling Christmas for Brits :omgno: hang them now for putting public health first



https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/italy-ban-travel-uk-coronavirus-b1776766.htmlI know they have to take precautions "just in case" but the idea that this isn't already in Europe is just nonsense; there's a good chance it came FROM continental Europe.

[rusticgal]

I think most people will start making plans at the start of the month, bu that wont include the food shop. I'm struggling to see what the issue is with the timing of xmas being cancelled?

Imo, the only people missing out monetary wise are the donuts like myself who did the food shop yesterday before the announcement...but I'm still going ahead with my plans so it will all be used.


I guess people will have ordered turkeys and food to accommodate a gathering now find themselves with copious amounts of food...and those that were going elsewhere now have to get food in for christmas....not a massive deal unless there is now going to be a shortage of Turkeys...

[Oliver_W]

People would not be saying 'he's only human!' if he was labour, or any other party that wasn't Tory. They wouldn't be so forgiving of his 'mistakes' then.

I'm so tired of people accepting mediocrity, no, that's too kind of a word, straight up incompetence is a better fit, just because it's a Tory at the helm. I'm so tired of Tory supporters being all like 'Imagine if Corbyn was in charge though!' No, I don't need hypotheticals when we're in a ****ing nightmare right now.

I'm just sick of it all.

Load of crap innit. I wonder how much longer BoJo can get away with holding his "good old boy" image...

But as for being sick of it, sometimes it's better to not engage, what good does listening to it do? Get a new hobby, help with the bees, read more books, play more online games ... anything but political discourse :joker: Trump's on his way out, I can't see BoJo lasting much longer, and Corbyn doesn't lead Labour, so hopefully it's an end to all the divisive BS!!

#MakePoliticsBoringAgain

[user104658]

Load of crap innit. I wonder how much longer BoJo can get away with holding his "good old boy" image...



But as for being sick of it, sometimes it's better to not engage, what good does listening to it do? Get a new hobby, help with the bees, read more books, play more online games ... anything but political discourse :joker: Trump's on his way out, I can't see BoJo lasting much longer, and Corbyn doesn't lead Labour, so hopefully it's an end to all the divisive BS!!



#MakePoliticsBoringAgainWeeerrrllll the divisive BS certainly didn't start with Trump/Bojo/Corbyn etc. and politics will always be divisive, but I do hope we're starting to come to the end of this era where the divisiveness is rooted in anti-intellectualism and politicians prancing around social media like pantomime showponies. That's what I'm sick of. Sneering arseholes either being, or at least acting, ****ing thick.

[joeysteele]

People would not be saying 'he's only human!' if he was labour, or any other party that wasn't Tory. They wouldn't be so forgiving of his 'mistakes' then.

I'm so tired of people accepting mediocrity, no, that's too kind of a word, straight up incompetence is a better fit, just because it's a Tory at the helm. I'm so tired of Tory supporters being all like 'Imagine if Corbyn was in charge though!' No, I don't need hypotheticals when we're in a ****ing nightmare right now.

I'm just sick of it all.

No they wouldn't you are right again.

It's odd how re Labour or Labour MPs or members too, the press and media then are believed near 100% by those now attacking said media.

In this pandemic it's not just the media.
It's the factual interviewing of health bodies and the science who have issued warning after warning.

Yet Johnson is afforded not one more chance but a whole volume of them.
When he has presided over one of the 5 worst death tolls to this virus.

Just about 3 days ago he was ridiculing Starmer on wanting to ruin Christmas by his calling for a rethink on the 5 day relaxation period.

Then Saturday he has to announce he is having to make changes to the Christmas period.

If that was a Labour PM, those same voices would be ridiculing that PM a thousandfold, and rightly too as they'd be right.

Just as those exposing this PM's deceit, lies and incompetence from his dangerous procrastination on this pandemic and losses unnecessarily of loved ones lives, are right now to do so.

[GoldHeart]

If Labour were in charge especially Corbyn , there's no way he'd get sympathy and he'd be getting much worse hate that's for sure . So there's definitely hypocrisy and double standards where the Tories and Boris particularly get let off the hook :bored: .

The funny thing is Corbyn would probably do a much better job or at least try to .

[Cherie]

The only people who have mentioned Corbyn oddly enough in this thread are or were Labour supporters :joker:

The UK is broken up in all but name and funding and is run by 4 different parties in my view anyway

[Oliver_W]

Weeerrrllll the divisive BS certainly didn't start with Trump/Bojo/Corbyn etc. and politics will always be divisive, but I do hope we're starting to come to the end of this era where the divisiveness is rooted in anti-intellectualism and politicians prancing around social media like pantomime showponies. That's what I'm sick of. Sneering arseholes either being, or at least acting, ****ing thick.

Oh sure, I don't expect all sides to start agreeing anytime soon! But all three seemed to bring out more divisiveness than before, and all could be accused of dabbling in "personality politics".

You mentioned social media, and I think all three roughly coincide with social media gaining prominence? So who knows, maybe this will be the norm now, for as long as social media is such a part of people's lives...

[GoldHeart]

The only people who have mentioned Corbyn oddly enough in this thread are or were Labour supporters :joker:

The UK is broken up in all but name and funding and is run by 4 different parties in my view anyway

Yes I was a labour supporter and still was in the Corbyn days, but I'm not a fan of starmer but I can't stand Boris or the Tories in general !.

[The Slim Reaper]

Corbyn called for us to follow what NZ and Aus were doing, and their lives are pretty much back to normal. Boris was talking about keeping businesses open throughout and letting it spread. So there's that...

[The Slim Reaper]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpsYR5iXUAIgM7k?format=jpg&name=large

[arista]

Slide the arrow
Today and Busy Saturday

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9072429/Christmas-shoppers-swamp-high-streets-left-just-EIGHT-HOURS-buy-gifts.html

[Nicky91]

Corbyn called for us to follow what NZ and Aus were doing, and their lives are pretty much back to normal. Boris was talking about keeping businesses open throughout and letting it spread. So there's that...

New Zealand got very strict regulations yes, that got Ardern re-elected too for doing the right things against covid-19


Australia, well their christmas is in summer, so people can spend it outdoors

[Samm]

The new strain wasnt about then, I would wager they know more about it than we do.

The only reason there was a new strain because this virus was still ramping the country across the ****ing winter

[Samm]

"he's only human" might of worked back in bloody march when this thing was all new, now there's no ****ing excuse of how many times this government has messed up since then.

[Alf]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpsYR5iXUAIgM7k?format=jpg&name=largeOne of those tweets was giving a personal opinion and one was giving orders. I'm guessing you preferred the one that was giving orders?

[Beso]

Only an idiot would have been planning on a "proper" xmas anyway .

Risking my mothers health has not something I've considered since the start of december.

[Alf]

Only an idiot would have been planning on a "proper" xmas anyway .

Risking my mothers health has not something I've considered since the start of december.I took my dad his Christmas presents today, he's doing the whole distancing stuff and where I'd usually go in his house, this time I stayed outside.

My Mother doesn't really care too much about it and we go in and out of each others house as we normally do.

I think I need to explain there that my Father and Mother are no longer together.

[Tom4784]

The only people who have mentioned Corbyn oddly enough in this thread are or were Labour supporters :joker:

The UK is broken up in all but name and funding and is run by 4 different parties in my view anyway

Because I hear it all the time in real life, people are always like 'well things would be worse under Corbyn!' like he's a relevant response to how badly Boris is ****ing up.

It's boring. I'm just bored of Tory supporters.

[Mystic Mock]

All we know GoldHeart is what the press and media convey what they want to us ,personally i think it would be political suicide to ignore advice and warnings ,also businesses have to keep afloat as if the economy goes down ,more people will suffer . its swings and roundabouts and yes mistakes have been made, but as long as we learn from them that's good, he is only human at the end of the day he wouldnt deliberately be making things hard for himself or the country, thats my opinion anyway,but anyway stay safe.:wavey:

All you're telling me though Kazanne with all due respect is that Boris isn't really cut out for the job as his accidentally making loads of mistakes.

[DouglasS]

Because I hear it all the time in real life, people are always like 'well things would be worse under Corbyn!' like he's a relevant response to how badly Boris is ****ing up.

It's boring. I'm just bored of Tory supporters.

If you’re bored by ‘tories supporters’ maybe talking about the tories every waking second doesn’t help as you’re likely to attract that conversation?

[Beso]

Because I hear it all the time in real life, people are always like 'well things would be worse under Corbyn!' like he's a relevant response to how badly Boris is ****ing up.

It's boring. I'm just bored of Tory supporters.

Must be marvelous to be talking to people in real life long enough to have a political debate...do you live in australia/new Zealand?

[Beso]

I took my dad his Christmas presents today, he's doing the whole distancing stuff and where I'd usually go in his house, this time I stayed outside.

My Mother doesn't really care too much about it and we go in and out of each others house as we normally do.

I think I need to explain there that my Father and Mother are no longer together.



Trust yourself and the people around you.
That's my xmas motto.

[Kazanne]

Yes I was a labour supporter and still was in the Corbyn days, but I'm not a fan of starmer but I can't stand Boris or the Tories in general !.

And there is the answer to all the negativity, whatever they do will be wrong for some.

[reece(:]

And there is the answer to all the negativity, whatever they do will be wrong for some.
Is this any surprise to anyone when everything they have done has been wrong thus far.

[joeysteele]

Is this any surprise to anyone when everything they have done has been wrong thus far.

Indeed you're correct there.

Plus by the same token, to some too, no matter what this PM and government and PM do will always be right to them.


I've lost count of the times I've stated, no matter who was PM and the government, if they'd failed and dangerously played with the lives of people like this lot have.
I'd be as scathing against them as I am against this hopeless crowd in now.

All we hear on here at times, is blame the media, blame the opposition's, blame the EU remainers, blame political stances of people.
However DON'T blame those actually making the decisions,Johnson and his Cabinet.
Because some blindly turn away from any wrongs they do and from a hard-line stance, support this shower in government, no matter what they say and do.

Had Labour won a year ago, or we'd had a coalition and all this failure and wrongs been done by them, I'd be just about done totally with them.

Blind support of any Party is a sad and dangerous road in my view.

Johnson is hopeless, he should never have been PM, this crisis has exposed all the worst about him, his choices of Ministers and how he runs his government too.

[reece(:]

Had Labour won a year ago, or we'd had a coalition and all this failure and wrongs been done by them, I'd be just about done totally with them.

Blind support of any Party is a sad and dangerous road in my view.


Fully agree, and I feel like Labour have also made many wrong moves through this pandemic. Such as abstaining in votes and failing to provide full opposition at crucial times. They've also advocated schools staying open and being re-opened at the earliest opportunity in January.

Both parties are letting the country down, although Tories FAR more so.

[joeysteele]

Fully agree, and I feel like Labour have also made many wrong moves through this pandemic. Such as abstaining in votes and failing to provide full opposition at crucial times. They've also advocated schools staying open and being re-opened at the earliest opportunity in January.

Both parties are letting the country down, although Tories FAR more so.


I agree with all that.
I didn't really agree with schools opening fully the way they have been too.

I rarely agree with abstentions in parliament too.
I think it sends a weak message.
Which Johnson was able to capitalise on.

Mind you, he'd have got a shock had Labour and the SNP voted against his plans..
As they'd have been likely defeated.

Of course on the being fair side, one Party has all the data, analysis, scientific and health advice.
To help make decisions on.
The other Party hasn't, in fact all other Parties haven't.

[Tom4784]

Blind loyalty is for sheep and the gullible. People who are being **** on by Boris yet still cheer him on deserve no sympathy. They should only be laughed at for playing the role of the fool gladly.

Boris has been a disaster, he had done absolutely nothing right, with the only good decisions being made possible by Rishi Sunak. He knew about how badly things would get with Covid months before and did nothing, he knew about the new strain of Covid in September and did nothing, he has screwed the pooch on Brexit and has potentially left us with supply shortages and yet people will support him just because they forget they are people with a voice and not his ****ing lapdogs.

Boris has ****ed everything up, be mad, be angry that someone who you gave your trust to has ****ed you over. Don't make excuses for incompetence just because the incompetent fool in question wears blue.

I just can't with Tory voters, I can't.

[Tom4784]

If you’re bored by ‘tories supporters’ maybe talking about the tories every waking second doesn’t help as you’re likely to attract that conversation?

When they're enabling dangerous incompetence, I'll have to speak against them.

[Oliver_W]

When they're enabling dangerous incompetence, I'll have to speak against them.

Why bother? It's not like you'll change any minds, and speaking about it all the time just gets you in a piss, why waste the time, make yourself look like a moaner, and strain your mental health? Just smile falsely and think them as being stupid.

[Ramsay]

I genuinely want to know as an outsider looking in what would Boris and Co have to do to make the hardcore voters finally go oh right this isn't right? Because at this stage it's beyond belief how useless they are..but the more I think about it the more I think the limit doesn't exist

[Oliver_W]

I genuinely want to know as an outsider looking in what would Boris and Co have to do to make the hardcore voters finally go oh right this isn't right? Because at this stage it's beyond belief how useless they are..but the more I think about it the more I think the limit doesn't exist

I'm surprised BoJo even has any supporters at this point.

[Smithy]

I genuinely want to know as an outsider looking in what would Boris and Co have to do to make the hardcore voters finally go oh right this isn't right? Because at this stage it's beyond belief how useless they are..but the more I think about it the more I think the limit doesn't exist

It’s honestly so so embarrassing reading this thread and the same clowns saying “well they’re doing the best they could x” :facepalm:

[Tom4784]

Why bother? It's not like you'll change any minds, and speaking about it all the time just gets you in a piss, why waste the time, make yourself look like a moaner, and strain your mental health? Just smile falsely and think them as being stupid.

Because being silent means being an enabler.

[arista]

It’s honestly so so embarrassing reading this thread and the same clowns saying “well they’re doing the best they could x” :facepalm:


Look we are Stuck with this Mutant 70% Faster Covid-19
bad luck.


Never mind all the Turkeys stuck in Freezers
(in a Cornwall Tier 1 Butchers Live on SkyNewsHD
Business Report 10:35AM)

[Tom4784]

I genuinely want to know as an outsider looking in what would Boris and Co have to do to make the hardcore voters finally go oh right this isn't right? Because at this stage it's beyond belief how useless they are..but the more I think about it the more I think the limit doesn't exist

Honestly, I doubt there's anything that could change their minds. The right wing has a way of attracting cult like followings. We see it in America with Trump supporters and the GOP in general, and you see it here with the Tories.

Boris could go around stabbing people's nans and they'd still cheer him on by making out that at least it's not Labour doing the stabbing. It's insane, it's infuriating.

[Oliver_W]

Because being silent means being an enabler.

So be an enabler :shrug:

You said it yourself - nothing much is gonna change their minds, and the emotional labour of banging the same drum over and over -which they've probably heard elsewhere, also over and over- does neither of you any good.

Take the world off your shoulders, you'll be happier for it.

[Tom4784]

So be an enabler :shrug:

You said it yourself - nothing much is gonna change their minds, and the emotional labour of banging the same drum over and over -which they've probably heard elsewhere, also over and over- does neither of you any good.

Take the world off your shoulders, you'll be happier for it.

Nah, I have dignity.

[thesheriff443]

Nah, I have dignity.

I was thinking about you last night
You seem so angry these days, I think you are wound up tighter than a drum.

Stress is a killer, sometimes you just have to accept the world as it is.

[Nicky91]

I was thinking about you last night
You seem so angry these days, I think you are wound up tighter than a drum.

Stress is a killer, sometimes you just have to accept the world as it is.

agree so much there

i mean for some it will be a different christmas than normal, but everyone should also just try to relax and not focus on the news solely those few days, stay at home of course, but there are enough fun christmassy distractions on tv, streaming services are filled with great festive movies (Netflix for one has a bunch of older christmas movies acquired, and also few newer christmas movies)


ChristmasFromHome is a nice way to call it


let christmas feeling take our stress away these few days

[Tom4784]

I was thinking about you last night
You seem so angry these days, I think you are wound up tighter than a drum.

Stress is a killer, sometimes you just have to accept the world as it is.

I will never be an enabler.

[DouglasS]

I think Boris and government are doing their best.

It is not possible to prevent this pandemic as British people are not the sort to follow instructions (it’s not like China/Asian countries that blindlessly follow their leaders.. and in most cases (bar a global pandemic) it’s a good thing.

[Cherie]

I was thinking about you last night
You seem so angry these days, I think you are wound up tighter than a drum.

Stress is a killer, sometimes you just have to accept the world as it is.

Every post is an expletive filled rant :laugh:

[thesheriff443]

I will never be an enabler.

You are not being an enable when the things that are happening will happen regardless of your views.

If you keep shouting at the television the only thing that will happen is you will lose your voice to a sore throat.

[Oliver_W]

Nah, I have dignity.

There's nothing dignified about being "that guy" who keeps giving everyone a lecture. You're not gonna change anyone's minds, they'll just roll their eyes and wait for you to stop talking.

[joeysteele]

There's nothing dignified about being "that guy" who keeps giving everyone a lecture. You're not gonna change anyone's minds, they'll just roll their eyes and wait for you to stop talking.

Except that can and does often work the other way too.

As I do when I see yet another defence of any indefensible incompetent action or non action by those with the power to enact said action.

Why should Dezzy however have to be expected to close down just to please extreme hard-line Tory supporters when they all dive in to support even dangerous action by their government.

Yes, they may never obviously change their stance.
However by the same token, WHY should others just leave unsaid what they think ought to be to point that out?
Just to suit them.

If people don't like what they see posted, then don't read it.
I eventually learned last year to watch myself carefully on here as to some, and not to respond much or at all to some because I'd find it impossible to likely reason with them.

There's even those I wouldn't even bother to read what they say, as I know what will be being spouted off by them.
Just as many on here will do with my posting, particularly on this rotten government.

However as long as I'm a member and permitted to be, I'm not going to shut up to please hard-line Tories.
Otherwise this is then no longer a forum.

[Oliver_W]

Except that can and does often work the other way too.

As I do when I see yet another defence of any indefensible incompetent action or non action by those with the power to enact said action.

Why should Dezzy however have to be expected to close down just to please extreme hard-line Tory supporters when they all dive in to support even dangerous action by their government.

Yes, they may never obviously change their stance.
However by the same token, WHY should others just leave unsaid what they think ought to be to point that out?
Just to suit them.

If people don't like what they see posted, then don't read it.
I eventually learned last year to watch myself carefully on here as to some, and not to respond much or at all to some because I'd find it impossible to likely reason with them.

There's even those I wouldn't even bother to read what they say, as I know what will be being spouted off by them.
Just as many on here will do with my posting, particularly on this rotten government.

However as long as I'm a member and permitted to be, I'm not going to shut up to please hard-line Tories.
Otherwise this is then no longer a forum.

He was saying he's sick of talking about it, so the solution is ... Don't talk about it :laugh:

[bots]

none of us should underestimate the deep frustration that the majority of the world population is experiencing this YEAR. It's unprecedented, and we all have to have an outlet for it. A friendly argument on a public forum seems an ideal way to manage that I think

[Vanessa]

For the first time at our factory we're wearing masks.
I have two weeks holidays from today's.
Will be spending Christmas day alone, but I don't mind.
I have EastEnders to keep me company :laugh:

[arista]

For the first time at our factory we're wearing masks.
I have two weeks holidays from today's.
Will be spending Christmas day alone, but I don't mind.
I have EastEnders to keep me company :laugh:

Thats Great Vanessa.


That M&S Fab Turkey Roast Dinner
I hope it's in stock for you.
I got one today, Sell by
Dec 26th.

Best to go Early
before its gets real busy.




Have a great break Vanessa
you have earned it.

[Vanessa]

Thats Great Vanessa.


That M&S Fab Turkey Roast Dinner
I hope it's in stock for you.
I got one today, Sell by
Dec 26th.

Best to go Early
before its gets real busy.




Have a great break Vanessa
you have earned it.
Thank you!
And you :hee:

[Cherie]

For the first time at our factory we're wearing masks.
I have two weeks holidays from today's.
Will be spending Christmas day alone, but I don't mind.
I have EastEnders to keep me company :laugh:

Thank you Vanessa for keeping us fed, :love: I am glad you guys are wearing masks should have happened sooner! have a great break, TiBB is here if you need to chat

[Vanessa]

Thank you Vanessa for keeping us fed, :love: I am glad you guys are wearing masks should have happened sooner! have a great break, TiBB is here if you need to chat

Before we were wearing visors and snoods.
But they changed it to disposable masks.
It takes some getting used to.

[Beso]

Woop woop ...I'm off work cause my parts cant be delivered..no fault of my own so being paid an average days wage until all this lorry stuff is sorted..

Thank the lordy up above we have boris in charge, this could take ages.

[Crimson Dynamo]

For the first time at our factory we're wearing masks.
I have two weeks holidays from today's.
Will be spending Christmas day alone, but I don't mind.
I have EastEnders to keep me company :laugh:

Ness your Tibb family will be here so you can check in a few times on Christmas day :love:

[joeysteele]

He was saying he's sick of talking about it, so the solution is ... Don't talk about it :laugh:

Nah, I can get sick of saying things even to my family.
However I'll still say them, repeatedly too if necessary.

[joeysteele]

For the first time at our factory we're wearing masks.
I have two weeks holidays from today's.
Will be spending Christmas day alone, but I don't mind.
I have EastEnders to keep me company :laugh:


I hope you have a really relaxing Christmas Vanessa.

You've well earned the 2 weeks holidays I'm certain of that.

[Oliver_W]

Nah, I can get sick of saying things even to my family.
However I'll still say them, repeatedly too if necessary.

While I do see your point, is arguing with supporters of Boris really necessary? Anyone who can't see he's doing a **** job is beyond help tbh :laugh: Not everyone has the capacity and/or fortitude to constantly debate politics, especially when the subject and other people make it akin to banging one's head against a wall!

[joeysteele]

While I do see your point, is arguing with supporters of Boris really necessary? Anyone who can't see he's doing a **** job is beyond help tbh :laugh: Not everyone has the capacity and/or fortitude to constantly debate politics, especially when the subject and other people make it akin to banging one's head against a wall!


:joker:I see your point as well Oliver.
However, oddly enough a lot of politicians and in politics often generally too, banging your head against a brick wall is par for the course.

In my work and in cases, I'm always out to, if I can get my side the last word or words.

If it's just a situation where those lauding Johnson and this detestable government, just get away with doing so with no comeback.
Then silence construes consent as Sir Thomas More indicated.

So I'd rather be as you say, banging my head against brick walls, which it is with some hard-line Tory supporters and other Parties supporters too, to be fair.

The Tories I know off here, I actually rarely am in dispute with as a lot are uncomfortable with how worrying Johnson is coming across.
As a Labour member, believe me, we are the Labour Party's strongest of critics.
I think most Labour leaders dread facing us at times.

So for me, wrongs have to be set out and presented and when people jump in to defend this incompetent lot.
Then challenging is a must in my view.
As I say however and I also agree in part, with you, sometimes it's a waste of energy and time with some.

Then again, the time I'm on here, I'm spending on here, so in part I'm then happy to throw up and challenge those views I disagree strongly with.
Even banging my head against those brick walls,:joker:

Of course I'd guess there's those who think they're banging their head against a brick wall with me.

I do though try to see others views.
I have after all in my lifetime so far and I'm still 28.
I've voted for all 3 main UK Parties.

I know there's good and bad in all of them.
However that's hard to find in the present PM and his choice of hard-line extreme Ministers.

[Vanessa]

We're rushed off our feet at the factory at the moment.
We're always busy Christmas time, but this year it's gone mental!
They gave us a bonus and a gift card, so I'm very happy today :hee:

[Scarlett.]

Honestly, as crazy as it gets on here, at least we're not the facebook comments section or this bastard...

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[Tom4784]

You are not being an enable when the things that are happening will happen regardless of your views.

If you keep shouting at the television the only thing that will happen is you will lose your voice to a sore throat.

But what you and Oliver are trying to do is the softly softly approach to basically get me to shut up and that's not happening. I won't be silent for the benefit of Tories and their supporters. If I dislike something, I will say it.

Silence is acceptance and I don't accept incompetence.

[Oliver_W]

But what you and Oliver are trying to do is the softly softly approach to basically get me to shut up and that's not happening. I won't be silent for the benefit of Tories and their supporters. If I dislike something, I will say it.

Silence is acceptance and I don't accept incompetence.

It's more for your own benefit than anyone else's. You'd probably be generally happier and less full of anger if you could let people wallow in their ignorance.

[Beso]

But what you and Oliver are trying to do is the softly softly approach to basically get me to shut up and that's not happening. I won't be silent for the benefit of Tories and their supporters. If I dislike something, I will say it.

Silence is acceptance and I don't accept incompetence.



I prefer honesty....:smug:

[thesheriff443]

But what you and Oliver are trying to do is the softly softly approach to basically get me to shut up and that's not happening. I won't be silent for the benefit of Tories and their supporters. If I dislike something, I will say it.

Silence is acceptance and I don't accept incompetence.

No dezzy not at all you are more than entitled to your opinion!

I’m genuinely concerned for you! As it’s not healthy getting so worked up by politics because it’s a never ending battle between the left and right.

[thesheriff443]

I truly believe we were always going to have these new lock downs because we have only ever been able to slow the spread down.

People have been breaking the rules and the ports and airports have been left open allowing cross contamination.

The only way labour could of done better is if they had a total lockdown no one in or out of the country and a near total clamp down on people

[DouglasS]

I truly believe we were always going to have these new lock downs because we have only ever been able to slow the spread down.

People have been breaking the rules and the ports and airports have been left open allowing cross contamination.

The only way labour could of done better is if they had a total lockdown no one in or out of the country and a near total clamp down on people

Yes I agree, It was inevitable regardless what party was in charge.. to think otherwise is crazy imo. It’s not even a politics crisis, it’s a seperate crisis to be honest, a health crisis.

I personally think there should be an entirely different team that govern purely health and take control of everything leaving politics completely out of it (I’m not talking about health secretary’s etc..), but this issue of covid shouldn’t cause a political divide

[LukeB]

I truly believe we were always going to have these new lock downs because we have only ever been able to slow the spread down.

People have been breaking the rules and the ports and airports have been left open allowing cross contamination.

The only way labour could of done better is if they had a total lockdown no one in or out of the country and a near total clamp down on people

People have been breaking rules thats obvious but that’s not the only issue, acting slow and not shutting the schools and boarders are a big issue and will not help. Lockdown 2 was never going to work because how late it was and a month.... never did anything just paused it really...

[AnnieK]

As an island, this could have been dealt with better by shutting the borders early when we knew the virus was in Europe. Instead we were told to wash our hands. Hopefully, in future crises we will learn from this pandemic and err on the side of caution first....rather than waiting till its here and killing thousands

[thesheriff443]

As an island, this could have been dealt with better by shutting the borders early when we knew the virus was in Europe. Instead we were told to wash our hands. Hopefully, in future crises we will learn from this pandemic and err on the side of caution first....rather than waiting till its here and killing thousands

To be honest it I was here a lot earlier than believed because China kept it from the world.

The tories may well lose the next election based on the way they have handled things.

All I know it’s here, and all of us has to take care of ourselves and others.

[LukeB]

As an island, this could have been dealt with better by shutting the borders early when we knew the virus was in Europe. Instead we were told to wash our hands. Hopefully, in future crises we will learn from this pandemic and err on the side of caution first....rather than waiting till its here and killing thousands

wash your hands...to happy birthday :love:

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Ammi]

...panic buying or stock piling lettuce and Brussel sprouts, really...?..the whole concept of stock piling/panic buying is so, so grim...if anything becomes in shortage then surely we should all be buying a little less of it is the only only thing that makes sense, so that there is more product for more people../...I mean that’s the only logic, surely...that’s something that we would and do apply through life to any shortage...a little for many as opposed to more for fewer and a ‘haves and have nots’, thing.../..not a great mindset, I feel...

[bots]

the nutritional value of most types of lettuce is almost zero, which makes it even more laughable

[Ammi]

...the supermarkets need to stop it, to start limiting now, really...

[Ammi]

...low incomes aren’t able to stock pile or panic buy...Christmas itself would be such a struggle and ‘advance buying’ is just not an option or possibility...it’s so heartbreaking how they must be feeling when they see the shelves being emptied ...:sad:..it’s just so unnecessary...

[Vanessa]

I don't mind, I don't like Brussels sprouts :laugh:
Just got my Christmas tree, will pick it up tomorrow.
Later I'm going to town to do some shopping, I need to get lights and baubles.
Also some food.

[Vanessa]

The morons who ran away from London before the lockdown are spreading the new strain around :fist:

[Zizu]

The morons who ran away from London before the lockdown are spreading the new strain around :fist:



I’d name and shame the ones that can be identified ( photos and video footage )


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[Zizu]

To be honest it I was here a lot earlier than believed because China kept it from the world.

The tories may well lose the next election based on the way they have handled things.

All I know it’s here, and all of us has to take care of ourselves and others.



The scary thing is that Labour will probably make things worse...


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[Zizu]

As an island, this could have been dealt with better by shutting the borders early when we knew the virus was in Europe. Instead we were told to wash our hands. Hopefully, in future crises we will learn from this pandemic and err on the side of caution first....rather than waiting till its here and killing thousands



I seem to recall the whole world wanting to ‘CONTAIN’ the virus in China !!

Within weeks WE were shipping and flying home THOUSANDS of British nationals because THEY were scared !!!


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[joeysteele]

As an island, this could have been dealt with better by shutting the borders early when we knew the virus was in Europe. Instead we were told to wash our hands. Hopefully, in future crises we will learn from this pandemic and err on the side of caution first....rather than waiting till its here and killing thousands

I agree completely with your point there.

I also believe anyone else, no matter the political make-up, would have done that as a starting point.

Just about all others were calling for a full lockdown even before the first was done.
The science were saying it was necessary early March.
It wasn't done until the end of March.

I also believe at the end of the first lockdown, any others responsible for and with the power to set up across the whole UK.
Would have brought us out that first lockdown more slowly than was done.
Without too the eat out for half price following same too.

Plus, the second lockdown would have been done weeks earlier too once evidence of a second wave appeared.

I'll leave the deceit and horrifically dangerous non supply of PPE, because it seems I say, too much on my personal losses and of others unnecessary deaths resulting from that.

Hindsight as I've said before was and is not a valid excuse for the procrastination done all through this.
We had FORESIGHT of what was happening in Italy and heading to use via Europe as well as other areas of the World too.

I didn't want to make a political jibe in this post, however I stress I'd be saying this no matter whoever was in power for the whole of the UK.
I don't believe anyone or any other make-up in government.
Would have done as badly as these in power have near all through now.
No way.

I also agree with the voices on here and off here, who think this should have been a National health issue, not just handled by the government.

Representatives of all Parties, all elected representatives, all bodies of science and health like a war cabinet of sorts to decide the ways forward in dealing with this from the outset.

[user104658]

"As an island" - an over-populated island that is NOT by any stretch of the imagination self-sufficient - We couldn't survive closing the border on this side at the start of the pandemic any more than we can survive it being closed by others now.

Honestly, a painfully naive suggestion and what makes me genuinely concerned that people don't realise how much of a problem it is that we're seemingly being cut off right now.

Ban individual travel, by all means, but closing the borders is not feasible. 48 hours is going to be a disaster, the idea that we could do it for weeks or months? Mad.

[Vanessa]

The twats who ran away from London are spreading it everywhere :skull:

[user104658]

The twats who ran away from London are spreading it everywhere :skull:

It's already everywhere. It's literally in Australia. Remember when everyone thought they could limit the original spread in Feb/March and then were rudely informed "lol no you can't"? Same deal. Clutching at straws. Various strains are seeded across the entire planet and governments are still acting like it can be contained... the LESS infectious strain couldn't be contained... but yes of course it's logical that this more infectious strain can be. Farce.

[Nicky91]

It's already everywhere. It's literally in Australia. Remember when everyone thought they could limit the original spread in Feb/March and then were rudely informed "lol no you can't"? Same deal. Clutching at straws. Various strains are seeded across the entire planet and governments are still acting like it can be contained... the LESS infectious strain couldn't be contained... but yes of course it's logical that this more infectious strain can be. Farce.

stop fearmongering


no reason for panic, what german scientists literally are saying

[user104658]

stop fearmongering


no reason for panic, what german scientists literally are saying

I'm not panicking or scaremongering, it's the same Covid that's been with us for nearly a year, it just spreads more easily. Pointing out that it's already active across the globe and thus can't be contained in one place (because it is already in more than one place) isn't scare mongering, it's being realistic.

The German virologist you quoted yesterday was literally saying "Meh, it's almost certainly already here in Germany, but no need to worry too much".

[AnnieK]

"As an island" - an over-populated island that is NOT by any stretch of the imagination self-sufficient - We couldn't survive closing the border on this side at the start of the pandemic any more than we can survive it being closed by others now.

Honestly, a painfully naive suggestion and what makes me genuinely concerned that people don't realise how much of a problem it is that we're seemingly being cut off right now.

Ban individual travel, by all means, but closing the borders is not feasible. 48 hours is going to be a disaster, the idea that we could do it for weeks or months? Mad.

I meant to passengers TS, not freight obviously.

[Alf]

A bit of Watson


SM9Pfba4Kqw

[Niamh.]

It's already everywhere. It's literally in Australia. Remember when everyone thought they could limit the original spread in Feb/March and then were rudely informed "lol no you can't"? Same deal. Clutching at straws. Various strains are seeded across the entire planet and governments are still acting like it can be contained... the LESS infectious strain couldn't be contained... but yes of course it's logical that this more infectious strain can be. Farce.

My brother reckons all this banning UK travel and harsher restrictions (which we're going to have announced tonight here) is all a ploy to make sure people comply and get vaccinated

[Vanessa]

Ridiculous that they're isolating us.
When the new strain is not just in the UK :fist:

[bots]

stop fearmongering


no reason for panic, what german scientists literally are saying

please stop talking nonsense Nicky

The variant has been around for months, it will be in every country in the world

[Vanessa]

please stop talking nonsense Nicky

The variant has been around for months, it will be in every country in the world

I agree.
It's normal for a virus to mutate.
This isn't exclusive of the UK.

[user104658]

My brother reckons all this banning UK travel and harsher restrictions (which we're going to have announced tonight here) is all a ploy to make sure people comply and get vaccinated

I got eye-rolled at last night for posing a few conspiracy theories about the convenient timing of a lot of these new revelations :joker:. e.g. one of mine is that they didn't "suddenly" get worried about this new strain - they've been tracking this strain since September - what ACTUALLY happened was, they realised that the 5 day restrictions-free-for-all was an absolute disaster waiting to happen but couldn't just say "actually we've decided it's maybe not a good idea so now we're saying no" and thus needed a "new threat" to justify backpedaling on Christmas, and to scare people into compliance :whistle:.

This theory hinges on what revelations come about this new strain after the Christmas and New Year period. If they come out with "actually it's not that much worse than the original strain after all" in early January then I'll be pretty convinced that this is what happened.

It's "interesting" that there are specific figures being quoted about "how much more infectious it is" despite a low sample size and there being no lab-confirmed details.

Also "interesting" that virologists from other countries are verifying that the strain being talked about is real, but noting that pockets of that strain haven't resulted in huge case surges in those areas (or at least not yet).

SUS :suspect:

I don't really believe in coincidental timing.

[user104658]

I also am pretty much convinced that France's reaction at the border has more to do with Brexit than Covid. Not saying it isn't prompted by Covid - but it smacks of "Hmph well you don't want to be in the EU anyway so HA" and I think if Brexit had never happened, it's very, VERY unlikely that the same action would have been taken. I'm anti-Brexit ... but that is just ridiculously petty.

[Cherie]

My brother reckons all this banning UK travel and harsher restrictions (which we're going to have announced tonight here) is all a ploy to make sure people comply and get vaccinated

Quite possibly...if countries were really serious about keeping it out they would be banning all inbound travel

[arista]

I also am pretty much convinced that France's reaction at the border has more to do with Brexit than Covid. Not saying it isn't prompted by Covid - but it smacks of "Hmph well you don't want to be in the EU anyway so HA" and I think if Brexit had never happened, it's very, VERY unlikely that the same action would have been taken. I'm anti-Brexit ... but that is just ridiculously petty.


BrexitaCovida


What Stinking mess TS.

[Cherie]

I also am pretty much convinced that France's reaction at the border has more to do with Brexit than Covid. Not saying it isn't prompted by Covid - but it smacks of "Hmph well you don't want to be in the EU anyway so HA" and I think if Brexit had never happened, it's very, VERY unlikely that the same action would have been taken. I'm anti-Brexit ... but that is just ridiculously petty.

Agree, I said the same in the corona thread, Macron is happy to keep French drivers UK side days before Christmas in a political move, nothing to do with health given they have been going backwards and forwards even when little was known about the virus ...he could organise testing on arrival in Calais if he really is that bothered

[Niamh.]

I got eye-rolled at last night for posing a few conspiracy theories about the convenient timing of a lot of these new revelations :joker:. e.g. one of mine is that they didn't "suddenly" get worried about this new strain - they've been tracking this strain since September - what ACTUALLY happened was, they realised that the 5 day restrictions-free-for-all was an absolute disaster waiting to happen but couldn't just say "actually we've decided it's maybe not a good idea so now we're saying no" and thus needed a "new threat" to justify backpedaling on Christmas, and to scare people into compliance :whistle:.

This theory hinges on what revelations come about this new strain after the Christmas and New Year period. If they come out with "actually it's not that much worse than the original strain after all" in early January then I'll be pretty convinced that this is what happened.

It's "interesting" that there are specific figures being quoted about "how much more infectious it is" despite a low sample size and there being no lab-confirmed details.

Also "interesting" that virologists from other countries are verifying that the strain being talked about is real, but noting that pockets of that strain haven't resulted in huge case surges in those areas (or at least not yet).

SUS :suspect:

I don't really believe in coincidental timing.

:laugh: Yeah, I mean it's not even that wild of a conspiracy theory really, is it? The timing is like you said very convenient hhhmmm

I'm not very comfortable with the UK being used as a scapegoat either tbh Brexit aside, we're in the middle of a crisis, people are suffering. A bit of honesty would be more appreciated instead of trying to blame people who aren't to blame and make us all afraid of each other and cause even more chaos and panic and limit food supplies

[thesheriff443]

"As an island" - an over-populated island that is NOT by any stretch of the imagination self-sufficient - We couldn't survive closing the border on this side at the start of the pandemic any more than we can survive it being closed by others now.

Honestly, a painfully naive suggestion and what makes me genuinely concerned that people don't realise how much of a problem it is that we're seemingly being cut off right now.

Ban individual travel, by all means, but closing the borders is not feasible. 48 hours is going to be a disaster, the idea that we could do it for weeks or months? Mad.

As an intelligent person I can see your point about shutting the borders but I’m talking about the first shut down in March.

The first lock down slowed the infection rate and by closing the borders it would of slowed the infection rate more

The more you can reduce the spread in the beginning the infection will be lower down the line.

[Vanessa]

:laugh: Yeah, I mean it's not even that wild of a conspiracy theory really, is it? The timing is like you said very convenient hhhmmm

I'm not very comfortable with the UK being used as a scapegoat either tbh Brexit aside, we're in the middle of a crisis, people are suffering. A bit of honesty would be more appreciated instead of trying to blame people who aren't to blame and make us all afraid of each other and cause even more chaos and panic and limit food supplies

Exactly. Why are we being blamed for this when the new strain is in other countries as well?

[arista]

...panic buying or stock piling lettuce and Brussel sprouts, really...?..the whole concept of stock piling/panic buying is so, so grim...if anything becomes in shortage then surely we should all be buying a little less of it is the only only thing that makes sense, so that there is more product for more people../...I mean that’s the only logic, surely...that’s something that we would and do apply through life to any shortage...a little for many as opposed to more for fewer and a ‘haves and have nots’, thing.../..not a great mindset, I feel...


No its Sainsburys hit hard lack of urgent delivery
held back Lorrys


M&S this morning
had loads of Fresh Quality Spanish Iceberg Lettuce

[AnnieK]

I also am pretty much convinced that France's reaction at the border has more to do with Brexit than Covid. Not saying it isn't prompted by Covid - but it smacks of "Hmph well you don't want to be in the EU anyway so HA" and I think if Brexit had never happened, it's very, VERY unlikely that the same action would have been taken. I'm anti-Brexit ... but that is just ridiculously petty.

Agree with this completely

[Oliver_W]

A bit of Watson


SM9Pfba4Kqw

:joker:

I forgot that dude even existed!

He's the reason people sarcastically say "eemagine moi shawck", right?

[Alf]

:joker:

I forgot that dude even existed!

He's the reason people sarcastically say "eemagine moi shawck", right?Yes! He's the fella with the "imagine my shock" catchphrase.