The Brexit Deal

[Smithy]

Good or Bad?

What’s TiBBs opinion?

https://twitter.com/nmsonline/status/1342130513390264323?s=21

[Crimson Dynamo]

can you explain the source and what political? agenda he has and why we should pay attention to his view?

is he british?

[Crimson Dynamo]

seems a very bias start to a debate?

[DouglasS]

Very good

That incredibly ridiculous diagram including extremely minor details like “pet passport” and “border checks” to try and fill up a diagram to make it look like we have lost loads :skull:

When in reality all the important details such as being able to study in the EU, trade deals , tariffs, fisheries count as just one detail (almost as if it’s equivalent to having a pet passport :skull:)

I think most people with a brain can see past that ridiculous tweet.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Very good

That incredibly ridiculous diagram including extremely minor details like “pet passport” and “border checks” to try and fill up a diagram to make it look like we have lost loads :skull:

When in reality all the important details such as being able to study in the EU, trade deals , tariffs, fisheries count as just one detail (almost as if it’s equivalent to having a pet passport :skull:)

I think most people with a brain can see past that ridiculous tweet.

what is most concerning is that the extreme left twitter person works for sky news..

:umm2:

[The Slim Reaper]

Very good

That incredibly ridiculous diagram including extremely minor details like “pet passport” and “border checks” to try and fill up a diagram to make it look like we have lost loads :skull:

When in reality all the important details such as being able to study in the EU, trade deals , tariffs, fisheries count as just one detail (almost as if it’s equivalent to having a pet passport :skull:)

I think most people with a brain can see past that ridiculous tweet.

Minor details like giving away rights, for a fisheries industry that employs only 10k people.

When people wonder how propaganda works, the UK's recent obsession with fish we don't eat should be studied by future generations.

[Braden]

Yeah, I don't think the chart depicts an accurate representation of what the deal fully entails.

Honestly, I don't think we can judge too much until we can analyse the effects years down the line.

[Smithy]

The tweet I posted is the only concise image I’ve seen, if people have others feel free to post them and I’ll update the OP with them :hee:*


*unless you’re on my ignore list :)

[Braden]

The tweet I posted is the only concise image I’ve seen, if people have others feel free to post them and I’ll update the OP with them :hee:*


*unless you’re on my ignore list :)

The document is said to be 2,000 pages long, so that's a lot to put in one image :p

[UserSince2005]

having read every page I can confirm it is an excellent deal and we will crush the EU in trade and win.

[Tom4784]

From what I understand, the deal isn't dramatically different from the one that May was offered, and if that's the case, this whole process since then has just been a pantomine of propaganda to massage Boris' ego and to cement an incredibly gullible public's hero worship of him.

[Withano]

Very good if you like a load of your rights taken away. Which honestly, I’m starting to think right-wing people do. Like a fetish or sumin idk.

Otherwise bad.

[joeysteele]

I don't like voting I don't know, however I'd have preferred a midway 'fair' deal option.

I think it's better than I expected from Johnson and his government with so many Con MPs preferring no deal.

I'm glad no deal is out.
So I'm glad Johnson only in the last short few weeks pushed for a deal.

The only really good deal was the one we already had with the EU, in my view.

I'll settle for this because for me no deal was unthinkable.

I'm just glad those hard-line Con MPs didn't get their way on no deal.
So in my view this was likely the best deal we'd get via Johnson and his Ministers.
The EU seem content and that's a plus for me too.

[Nicky91]

it is a good deal

win-win scenario for both sides i guess

[bots]

the definition of a good deal is when both sides of the negotiation are happy with the deal that they negotiated. If either side were not happy then it would have been a bad deal

[Cherie]

I guess if you voted for Brexit in the first place you would say it was bad :suspect: or even worse didn’t vote at all because you thought someone else would do your job for you, end of the day its a deal, I can only imagine the hand wringing if the UK went out on no deal :laugh:

Waves Irish passport :smug:

[AnnieK]

I guess if you voted for Brexit in the first place you would say it was bad :suspect: or even worse didn’t vote at all because you thought someone else would do your job for you, end of the day its a deal, I can only imagine the hand wringing if the UK went out on no deal :laugh:

Waves Irish passport :smug:

:laugh:
Is Mr C Irish too?

[Cherie]

:laugh:
Is Mr C Irish too?

yup and the kids

Nigel who?

[AnnieK]

yup and the kids

Nigel who?

:laugh: Lucky you

[Cherie]

can I ask those who say its a bad deal, are you actively lobbying your MP to vote it down :worry:

obviously remainers would have preferred the deal we had, what we are voting on above is what is happening now and the will of the people being enacted which is what I would have expected if remain had won

[DouglasS]

can I ask those who say its a bad deal, are you actively lobbying your MP to vote it down :worry:

obviously remainers would have preferred the deal we had, what we are voting on above is what is happening now and the will of the people being enacted which is what I would have expected if remain had won

You know if labour had been in power and the exact same deal occurred they’d be singing how fantastic this deal is :laugh:

The diagram also wouldn’t be incredibly biased and would be purely green ticks. “Pet passports” wouldn’t be on there

[The Slim Reaper]

You know if labour had been in power and the exact same deal occurred they’d be singing how fantastic this deal is :laugh:

The diagram also wouldn’t be incredibly biased and would be purely green ticks. “Pet passports” wouldn’t be on there

There was no fantastic deal available to either party, so this is BS (especially when you consider my constant criticism of the labour party). We had the best deal and negotiated to give ourselves a far worse deal. If you think that's worth a celebration, then it's ideological not fact-based.

The diagram was put out out by the EU - it's simplistic but accurate. The whole brexit campaign was run on slogans based on lies which I don't ever remember being criticised by brexit supporters for either lies or being biased.

[joeysteele]

You know if labour had been in power and the exact same deal occurred they’d be singing how fantastic this deal is :laugh:

The diagram also wouldn’t be incredibly biased and would be purely green ticks. “Pet passports” wouldn’t be on there

In the realm of what ifs which I'm happy to partake in.

This deal would never have been the final deal of Labour or a coalition led by Labour.
No way.

Labour always would have wanted to include close ties to the single market and customs union.
So the issues and stumbling blocks would not have been there with the EU in the first place.

This deal is better than I expected from Johnson and his government, then again any deal seeing off no deal was preferable to me.

The deal would have never gone to the last week, or needed to, had Labour with other Parties been negotiating.
It wouldn't have been this deal however..

However too, yes, I'd support this deal if I was an MP, because I detested every thought of an even possible no deal.

[The Slim Reaper]

can I ask those who say its a bad deal, are you actively lobbying your MP to vote it down :worry:

obviously remainers would have preferred the deal we had, what we are voting on above is what is happening now and the will of the people being enacted which is what I would have expected if remain had won

I have a tory MP, but if I had a labour MP I would. Not because I want a no-deal, but because labour should be in opposition, not unnecessarily rubber stamping things that harm the country.

The tories have enough votes to pass it, so this should be left with only their hands all over it. Starmer will be rightly criticising this deal early in the new year, just a month after telling his own party to vote for it. But then Starmer is just as shameless as anyone in the tory cabinet.

[Tom4784]

can I ask those who say its a bad deal, are you actively lobbying your MP to vote it down :worry:

obviously remainers would have preferred the deal we had, what we are voting on above is what is happening now and the will of the people being enacted which is what I would have expected if remain had won

There's no point, our MP is a tory rat that votes with the party regardless of the harm it does to the area. He doesn't give a **** because the morons keep voting him back in.

MPs don't have to listen when they know people will vote for them regardless.

[Tom4784]

You know if labour had been in power and the exact same deal occurred they’d be singing how fantastic this deal is :laugh:

The diagram also wouldn’t be incredibly biased and would be purely green ticks. “Pet passports” wouldn’t be on there

Nah, I have objectivity, something that's a foreign concept to you.

If a labour MP caused a stink about a deal that was drawn up years ago, just to facilitate a power grab and become PM only to agree to basically the same deal then I'd be angry too.

I hold people accountable, I don't just look the other way if they're on 'my side'.

[Cherie]

There was no fantastic deal available to either party, so this is BS (especially when you consider my constant criticism of the labour party). We had the best deal and negotiated to give ourselves a far worse deal. If you think that's worth a celebration, then it's ideological not fact-based.

The diagram was put out out by the EU - it's simplistic but accurate. The whole brexit campaign was run on slogans based on lies which I don't ever remember being criticised by brexit supporters for either lies or being biased.

Excuse me? I am not celebrating anything so rein yourself in

[The Slim Reaper]

Excuse me? I am not celebrating anything so rein yourself in

You replied to the wrong post, I think.

[Kizzy]

can I ask those who say its a bad deal, are you actively lobbying your MP to vote it down :worry:

obviously remainers would have preferred the deal we had, what we are voting on above is what is happening now and the will of the people being enacted which is what I would have expected if remain had won

That is literally not an option.. we leave in 2 days... As a remainer yourself are you happy with the deal?
The will of the people was the referendum not the deal...there's a big difference.
You can agree with the outcome of the referendum and still be against the deal there is no 'will of the people' attached to that.

[bots]

That is literally not an option.. we leave in 2 days... As a remainer yourself are you happy with the deal?
The will of the people was the referendum not the deal...there's a big difference.
You can agree with the outcome of the referendum and still be against the deal there is no 'will of the people' attached to that.


i'm a remainer and happy with the deal. It has to be taken within the context that the country voted to leave the EU. We have to move on

[Zizu]

I don’t know why we have to allow them to strip our waters dry for the next 5.5 years though !!


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[user104658]

It's obviously not a "good" deal, however literally any deal is better than the chaos of no deal so I think that's making a lot of people see it as "good".

[Brother Leon]

What exactly is different than the Theresa May deal that everyone put down?

[Ammi]

...There was no ‘golden deal’ to be had, with everyone ...(...as in those who voted for Brexit..)...feeling that they had ‘the deal’ they wanted...If people aren’t voting for the same reasons, which Brexit voters weren’t...then they weren’t and aren’t hoping for and looking for the same deal, would surely follow...?....and any deal was always going to have to be acceptable to both the EU and the UK, so a compromise, as it were and a giving of some things...so that was also always going to take things away from us that being in the EU gave us...will those things have shiny, bright new things to replace and balance...?...I would doubt it and the details will still have to be worked in or worked out or whatever...it is what it is, the vote was for the unspecified deal to be made, without any knowledge of what the deal was...and the trust was put into a government to make the deal that didn’t exist as it is now at the time of voting...quite a leap of faith that some business/livelihoods etc will not survive, sadly...

[Zizu]

What exactly is different than the Theresa May deal that everyone put down?



No specifics but LBC says the new deal is substantially better than the Theresa May one ...

I’m sure we will see comparisons sooner or later


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[Mystic Mock]

I don't like voting I don't know, however I'd have preferred a midway 'fair' deal option.

I think it's better than I expected from Johnson and his government with so many Con MPs preferring no deal.

I'm glad no deal is out.
So I'm glad Johnson only in the last short few weeks pushed for a deal.

The only really good deal was the one we already had with the EU, in my view.

I'll settle for this because for me no deal was unthinkable.

I'm just glad those hard-line Con MPs didn't get their way on no deal.
So in my view this was likely the best deal we'd get via Johnson and his Ministers.
The EU seem content and that's a plus for me too.

This tbh.

[Zizu]

No specifics but LBC says the new deal is substantially better than the Theresa May one ...
Referring to the Henry Vlll clause specifically?!?!?

I’m sure we will see comparisons sooner or later


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[The Slim Reaper]

McDonalds in Penge.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eqe0e1VXEAAwwVn?format=jpg&name=large

[Alf]

McDonalds in Penge.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eqe0e1VXEAAwwVn?format=jpg&name=largeAs long as there's bacon, we can all sleep easy.

[Withano]

Imagine tibb has more support for the brexit deal than the general public lol

Only 17% of people that yougov asked thinks that it is a good deal

[user104658]

McDonalds in Penge.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eqe0e1VXEAAwwVn?format=jpg&name=large

Hm... the 2019 copyright on this makes me suspect this picture is from last year? Before we "technically" left the EU. Unless they're simply re-using the old sign.

Either way - I don't think many people are going to get to the door of a McDonalds and say "Oh what the ****?? No lettuce and tomato?? Let's go elsewhere!" :joker:

[The Slim Reaper]

Hm... the 2019 copyright on this makes me suspect this picture is from last year? Before we "technically" left the EU. Unless they're simply re-using the old sign.

Either way - I don't think many people are going to get to the door of a McDonalds and say "Oh what the ****?? No lettuce and tomato?? Let's go elsewhere!" :joker:

It was from today. I don't doubt they were produced to cover last year though. Maccies have just come out and said it was a mistake.

[Cherie]

Teresa tearing strips off Keir telling him her deal was better :laugh:

[bots]

No specifics but LBC says the new deal is substantially better than the Theresa May one ...

I’m sure we will see comparisons sooner or later


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that is entirely relative to what you wanted from the deal, which is why it is an unanswerable question :laugh:

Those that wanted a complete isolationist break from the EU won't be happy and think its a crap deal, those that wanted a customs union with all the rules, regulations, free movement and legal integration with europe won't be happy because the deal doesn't give them that.

May wanted to remain part of the customs union and wanted to retain all the legal obligations that went with it. Boris's deal is nothing like that. Whether thats good or bad depends on your view point, but The May deal and what Boris has negotiated are completely different

[The Slim Reaper]

that is entirely relative to what you wanted from the deal, which is why it is an unanswerable question :laugh:

Those that wanted a complete isolationist break from the EU won't be happy and think its a crap deal, those that wanted a customs union with all the rules, regulations, free movement and legal integration with europe won't be happy because the deal doesn't give them that.

May wanted to remain part of the customs union and wanted to retain all the legal obligations that went with it. Boris's deal is nothing like that. Whether thats good or bad depends on your view point, but The May deal and what Boris has negotiated are completely different

You keep saying it's open to interpretation, when it will actually be measurable with tangibles, so that's just not true.

[bots]

You keep saying it's open to interpretation, when it will actually be measurable with tangibles, so that's just not true.

and you keep saying that, and its absolutely untrue. Workers rights, being beholden to the EU court of justice, free movement, pet passports, intelligence sharing etc aare not easily measurable, but they do provide the UK a degree of control over it's own destiny.

Just 1 simple example, we were able to approve and roll out 2 vaccines while the EU sat around and muttered about it. That will likely save thousands of lives in the next 6 months ... measure that one and see if it was a good move

[The Slim Reaper]

and you keep saying that, and its absolutely untrue. Workers rights, being beholden to the EU court of justice, free movement, pet passports, intelligence sharing etc aare not easily measurable, but they do provide the UK a degree of control over it's own destiny.

Just 1 simple example, we were able to approve and roll out 2 vaccines while the EU sat around and muttered about it. That will likely save thousands of lives in the next 6 months ... measure that one and see if it was a good move

Fairly easily, the vaccine stuff was nothing to do with brexit. As part of our Eu agreement, we had the ability to act independently.

https://fullfact.org/health/coronavirus-vaccine-brexit/

When you throw out stuff like "beholden to the EU" I see your professions of wanting to remain are as sincere as your professions of not being a tory :hehe:

[arista]

"As long as there's bacon, we can all sleep easy"


McD need to get Lettuce and Tomato

[Kizzy]

i'm a remainer and happy with the deal. It has to be taken within the context that the country voted to leave the EU. We have to move on

I didn't say we couldn't or shouldn't move on.

What part of my post suggested otherwise?

[joeysteele]

Teresa tearing strips off Keir telling him her deal was better :laugh:


Well she couldn't convince or win the support of her own party, never mind any other Party.
She even alienated the DUP in the end.

So I don't think any MP needs any directive from her after the farce she created all through in the Commons.

[The Slim Reaper]

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[Cherie]

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He was a remainer so no issues with him doing that

[bots]

Isn't Boris's brother a remainer too? Thats why he quit being an MP

[The Slim Reaper]

Well then...


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[Tom4784]

All that bluster about fish turned out to be just bluster and it's in a worse off position than before? I'm shocked, truly.

[Kizzy]

Well then...


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More fool them for trusting a tory... remember what Mr Bevin said!

It was never anything to do with fish! :/