Cabinet discuss invoking 25th amendment to remove Trump

[Denver]

It is being claimed that Pence was the one who activated the DC national Guard and loads of people in high power are demanding the 25th amendment be invoked, if Pence did activate the DC gaurd its likely that he already invoked it himself

[Denver]

If he did indeed activate the National Gaurd its worth noting that isn't a power the VP holds

[GiRTh]

Looks like I got it wrong in the other thread. I still cant see Pence doing this cuz he's almost certainly running in 2024 too and he too needs Donnie base to have any kind of chance

[Denver]

Looks like I got it wrong in the other thread. I still cant see Pence doing this cuz he's almost certainly running in 2024 too and he too needs Donnie base to have any kind of chance

Pence has moved away from Trumo totally now and seems to be favouring himself for the real Rep fan base and not the trumpites

[Alf]

Pence has moved away from Trumo totally now and seems to be favouring himself for the real Rep fan base and not the trumpitesThe Trumpers are going nowhere, Pandora's box has been opened.

[Denver]

The Trumpers are going nowhere, Pandora's box has been opened.

They will have nobody to vote for, they will all be in prison

[GiRTh]

Agree with Alf. Trumpism has followers. Hopefully they will be looked upon as a cult but those votes are up for grabs and all the GOP candidates need them.

[Denver]

The pentagon have confirmed Pence activated the national gaurd

[Alf]

The pentagon have confirmed Pence activated the national gaurdThe information wars.

[Tom4784]

Trumpism will be a stain on elections for years to come, thankfully it'll likely have an effect of running spoiler for the republican party and screwing their chances as well.

The GOP made a Faustian deal when it came to Trump and it looks like payment is finally due.

[Denver]

It's being said that Pence is making all of the decisions and Trump isn't in charge while 30+ Congress People have called for 25th Amendment

[LaLaLand]

What's the 25th Amendment?

Oh VP takes over basically?

[Denver]

What's the 25th Amendment?

Oh VP takes over basically?

Ots basically removing the president if he is unfit to do the job

[Mitchell]

Trump deserves it.

[Denver]

It's been reported by CBS that the cabinet are talking about invoking the 25th Amendment jut have yet to approach VP Pence

[joeysteele]

Oh, I would just have him overwhelmed with mountains of gobbledegook and unnecessary paperwork to have to work through for the next few days until his one term Presidency is up.

Then cart him off, out of the White House like garbage, which is what he is.

Then look at anything once he's gone, which he could be called to account for, even in a legal sense.
Of which there's possibly quite a bit of too in my view.

Absolutely horrible individual he is.

[Denver]

This is starting to gain some traction now with some cabinet members discussing and drawing up plans to invoke the 25th Amendment

[The Slim Reaper]

Should have already happened. Everytime trump does something, it always looks like he might face consequences, then suddenly time drags on and he's forgiven all over again. If nothing is done by the end of the day, nothing will be done.

[Tom4784]

It won't happen, he's never faced consequences as president and he won't start now. He won't be vulnerable to consequences until his reign is done.

[bots]

Should have already happened. Everytime trump does something, it always looks like he might face consequences, then suddenly time drags on and he's forgiven all over again. If nothing is done by the end of the day, nothing will be done.

their best option is to impeach him, but time wise, the gop could easily wait it out and it just gives more air to their conspiracy theories.

The best thing they can do is prosecute him once he is out of office and until then, put the word out that he has lost his mind, so that people will largely ignore him if he tries to do something dodgy. This 25th amendment talk is basically to facilitate key staff ignoring him

[The Slim Reaper]

their best option is to impeach him, but time wise, the gop could easily wait it out and it just gives more air to their conspiracy theories.

The best thing they can do is prosecute him once he is out of office and until then, put the word out that he has lost his mind, so that people will largely ignore him if he tries to do something dodgy. This 25th amendment talk is basically to facilitate key staff ignoring him

I thought this at first, but republicans can just play out the clock. The 25th is instant removal by the cabinet. Rumours that the cabinet are all going to resign which is cowardly when they can end it all in an afternoon.

[bots]

I thought this at first, but republicans can just play out the clock. The 25th is instant removal by the cabinet. Rumours that the cabinet are all going to resign which is cowardly when they can end it all in an afternoon.

im afraid its not that simple. If they go down the 25th route and get pence and a majority to agree, if trump refutes it, it then goes to congress where trump and the cabinet each write a letter detailing their case. Then it requires two thirds majority in both houses, which just wouldnt happen, and would also extend further than 2 weeks

[GiRTh]

It wont happen. They're all still too scared of his base.

He has to be prosecuted when out of office. Its looks like he's going to be tied up in litigation for years as there are already a number of ongoing investigations into his dealings while in office. His recent actions will only add to his legal issues

Biden cant actively support it though. He's has to be Presidential and concentrate on the pandemics response but thee has to be a major investigation into Trumps time in office that has to lead to widespread prosecutions including Trump. HE has to be made an example of to deter any kind of repeat in the future.

[bots]

It wont happen. They're all still too scared of his base.

He has to be prosecuted when out of office. Its looks like he's going to be tied up in litigation for years as there are already a number of ongoing investigations into his dealings while in office. His recent actions will only add to his legal issues

Biden cant actively support it though. He's has to be Presidential and concentrate on the pandemics response but thee has to be a major investigation into Trumps time in office that has to lead to widespread prosecutions including Trump. HE has to be made an example of to deter any kind of repeat in the future.

Trump can still pardon himself, and believe it or not he can actually apply a blanket pardon to everyone who invaded the capitol yesterday

[Denver]

Trump can still pardon himself, and believe it or not he can actually apply a blanket pardon to everyone who invaded the capitol yesterday

He is actually not allowed to Pardon himself

[GiRTh]

Can he pardon himself? I thought it was still quite a grey area because its completely unprecedented.

[The Slim Reaper]

Trump can still pardon himself, and believe it or not he can actually apply a blanket pardon to everyone who invaded the capitol yesterday

He is actually not allowed to Pardon himself

It's not decided either way. Even constitutional law scholars disagree on whether or not Trump has the power to self pardon.

[bots]

Can he pardon himself? I thought it was still quite a grey area because its completely unprecedented.

there is nothing that excludes him from pardoning himself and there is no previous reference to rely on. He will get away with all the federal stuff, im sure of it. It will require state action to prosecute him

[James]

I was wondering what the 25th Amendment was.


.....Discussions are focusing on the 25th Amendment of the US Constitution, which allows for a transfer of power from the president to the vice-president, either temporarily or permanently.

How would this work?
The 25th Amendment allows the vice-president to become acting president when a president is unable to continue his duties, if for example, he or she becomes incapacitated due to a physical or mental illness.

The part of the amendment being discussed is section four, which allows the vice-president and a majority of the cabinet to declare President Trump unable to perform his duties.

They would need to sign a letter to the speakers of the Houses of Representatives and the Senate declaring the president is unfit to govern or incapable "of discharging the powers and duties of his office". At this point, Vice-President Mike Pence would automatically take over.

The president is given the chance to offer a written response, and if he contests the finding, then it falls on Congress to decide. Any vote in the Senate and House of Representatives ordering the president's removal requires a two-thirds majority.

Until the issue is resolved, the vice-president would act as president.....


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55571964

[Denver]

Chuck Schumer (who is one of the high ups) has called for the 25th amendment to be invoked and if it isn't then the Congress should reconvene immediately to Impeach Trump, Nancy Pelosi has called a 1pm presser

[Mystic Mock]

Looks like I got it wrong in the other thread. I still cant see Pence doing this cuz he's almost certainly running in 2024 too and he too needs Donnie base to have any kind of chance

Tbf some of the Trump supporters were planning on attacking Pence, so he hasn't really got anything to lose.

Plus he might just respect democracy.

[The Slim Reaper]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErJdQrQXYAEFotW?format=jpg&name=large

[Denver]

Nancy Pelosi has called for the 25rh Amendment to be invoked

[Denver]

She said if it isn't invoked then congress will look to impeach

[The Slim Reaper]

Profile in courage

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[bots]

Pence doesn't become a decent human being for performing his constitutional duty on one occasion. He has enabled Trump and lied to the american people for 4 years

[Crimson Dynamo]

the hard left have spent 4 years trying to get rid of Trump so this 2 week window seems ambitious..

[The Slim Reaper]

Pence doesn't become a decent human being for performing his constitutional duty on one occasion. He has enabled Trump and lied to the american people for 4 years

Would have been a start at least.

[DouglasS]

There’s two weeks left of his stay, have they seriously not got anything else to do? They could be spending this time fighting COViD, writing policies getting things ready for the new presidency, speaking to the public.

[Alf]

There’s two weeks left of his stay, have they seriously not got anything else to do? They could be spending this time fighting COViD, writing policies getting things ready for the new presidency, speaking to the public.Because they're in a state of panic, Trump has them by the short and curlies.

[Crimson Dynamo]

There’s two weeks left of his stay, have they seriously not got anything else to do? They could be spending this time fighting COViD, writing policies getting things ready for the new presidency, speaking to the public.

quite right their obsession with not winning 4 years ago has devasted America

shamefull

[GiRTh]

There’s two weeks left of his stay, have they seriously not got anything else to do? They could be spending this time fighting COViD, writing policies getting things ready for the new presidency, speaking to the public.They're trying to do those things but Trump is not co-operating with the transition process. Dont know how you all missed this because its been news since the election.

How Trump is destroying the presidential transition process (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/27/donald-trump-destroying-presidential-transition-process-joe-biden)

[Denver]

There’s two weeks left of his stay, have they seriously not got anything else to do? They could be spending this time fighting COViD, writing policies getting things ready for the new presidency, speaking to the public.

They want him banned from every taking office again

[Alf]

They're trying to do those things but Trump is not co-operating with the transition process. Dont know how you all missed this because its been news since the election.

How Trump is destroying the presidential transition process (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/27/donald-trump-destroying-presidential-transition-process-joe-biden)Trump put out a statement last night saying they'll be a peaceful transition. He's always said there will be. Doesn't mean he has to conceded yet.

[GiRTh]

Trump put out a statement last night saying they'll be a peaceful transition. He's always said there will be. Doesn't mean he has to conceded yet.How can it be peaceful if he doesn't concede?

[bots]

How can it be peaceful if he doesn't concede?

how can it be peaceful when there was a violent coup attempt yesterday

[Mystic Mock]

There’s two weeks left of his stay, have they seriously not got anything else to do? They could be spending this time fighting COViD, writing policies getting things ready for the new presidency, speaking to the public.

Trump has incited terrorism in the country tbf, it's not something that the law can ignore so easily.

[Alf]

You did very good Mike, your masters are pleased with you.


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[The Slim Reaper]

Trump has banned Pence from the Whitehouse :laugh:

[Alf]

Trump has banned Pence from the Whitehouse :laugh:Doesn't matter, he's got 30 pieces of Silver to spend.

[GiRTh]

how can it be peaceful when there was a violent coup attempt yesterday
This too.

[The Slim Reaper]

Lynsey Graham said he wouldn't support 25thA yet, but if Trump does something else, then everything is on the table :laugh:

Like he didn't try to stage a fascist coup already.

[bots]

Lynsey Graham said he wouldn't support 25thA yet, but if Trump does something else, then everything is on the table :laugh:

Like he didn't try to stage a fascist coup already.

he is weighing it up against what trump has been blackmailing him with and it hasn't hit that threshold yet is the simple truth

[Tom4784]

There’s two weeks left of his stay, have they seriously not got anything else to do? They could be spending this time fighting COViD, writing policies getting things ready for the new presidency, speaking to the public.

Perhaps you missed the fact that he spurred on an attempted coup yesterday?

[The Slim Reaper]

he is weighing it up against what trump has been blackmailing him with and it hasn't hit that threshold yet is the simple truth

Yep. Spot on. It's also a way of playing for time. The rumours of what the Kompromat involves would make QAnon heads explode.

[user104658]

30 pieces of Silver

Oh hmm I wonder where you're parroting this from.

(Hint: this exact phrase has been being spammed by Russian QAnon bots on social media... all day.)

[Alf]

Oh hmm I wonder where you're parroting this from.

(Hint: this exact phrase has been being spammed by Russian QAnon bots on social media... all day.)Never heard of Judas?

Anyway, let me tell you about you and me, there is no you and me. You're joining Dezzy on my ignore list. You've lost your privlige of chatting with me. Obviously from time to time I will see your posts when somebody quotes you, I'll be able to deal with that.

I only get 1 life and I don't want to waste anymore of it dealing with you, I don't need people like you in my life.

I wish you the best of luck in life.

[Ramsay]

Rekt

[Scarlett.]

Hmm, I wonder if God Emperor Trump is a Judas now that he has condemned the terrorists yesterday and yielded to Biden?

[Denver]

Dems are trying to force through a quick peachmenr vote today, Nancy is due to speak later so we will see if it goes ahead

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/DailyMailCeleb/status/1347474562011828225

[arista]

Gaga
needs to get away from Grown up politics

[The Slim Reaper]

Gaga
needs to get away from Grown up politics

:nono:

[Smithy]

Gaga
needs to get away from Grown up politics

Your misogyny is showing arista

[arista]

Your misogyny is showing arista


how nice

[user104658]

Never heard of Judas?

Anyway, let me tell you about you and me, there is no you and me. You're joining Dezzy on my ignore list. You've lost your privlige of chatting with me. Obviously from time to time I will see your posts when somebody quotes you, I'll be able to deal with that.

I only get 1 life and I don't want to waste anymore of it dealing with you, I don't need people like you in my life.

I wish you the best of luck in life.I know the reference Alf, I also know that it's been spammed all over social media by a specific group of people - a group that you recently expressed developing a fascination with, and seem to share a lot of opinions with - and I don't believe in that level of coincidence.

I also don't need you to be able to see my posts to be able to refute your nonsense so it doesn't really matter that you've blocked me. Makes it somewhat easier, if anything.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErKWNMKXMAQo0aB?format=jpg&name=900x900

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErNU5DqXIAInurm?format=jpg&name=small

[Tom4784]

Gaga
needs to get away from Grown up politics

Sexism and snobbery again? I'm shocked.

Politics affects everyone and it is for everyone. It's always the Right Wing that tell people they shouldn't get involved. The Right Wing love their suppression.

[Tom4784]

I know the reference Alf, I also know that it's been spammed all over social media by a specific group of people - a group that you recently expressed developing a fascination with, and seem to share a lot of opinions with - and I don't believe in that level of coincidence.

I also don't need you to be able to see my posts to be able to refute your nonsense so it doesn't really matter that you've blocked me. Makes it somewhat easier, if anything.

So many people are being radicalised like this these days, and it seems so easily done. It's grim.

[AnnieK]

Gaga is also a grown ass woman who has the right to vote so absolutely has a right to a voice and opinion on this as an American citizen

[Niamh.]

Gaga
needs to get away from Grown up politicsShe has more right than you to have an opinion considering she's actually American [emoji848]

[arista]

Sexism and snobbery again? I'm shocked.

Politics affects everyone and it is for everyone. It's always the Right Wing that tell people they shouldn't get involved. The Right Wing love their suppression.


No
I do not like Gaga

[Denver]

Nancy Pelosi has told Trump to resign or she will impeach him

[Ramsay]

Nancy Pelosi has told Teumo tk resign or she will impeach him

Poor Teumo getting mixed up in this

[Alf]

Frightened he declassifies everything. They need him gone now.

Guliani is encouraging him to do it.

Do it Donald, JFK, 9/11 the works. Let's hear it all.

[GiRTh]

Nancy Pelosi has told Trump to resign or she will impeach himIf they can get Supreme court justice Amy Coney Barrett confirmed in, what was it?... about ten days then this should, hopefully, stick. Donnie will be the first president to be impeached twice in only one term too. What a great legacy to leave :laugh:

[Denver]

Pence hasn't ruled out invoking the 25th amendment

[GoldHeart]

Will be interesting to see if Trump actually faces the consequences of his actions,and I mean more than just getting banned on social media. But It seems he always gets away with it :bored: .

[joeysteele]

Really there's so much he could be pulled up for it's where to begin.

One of the best things would be for the Republican party, to after the shocking incitement of him to those who stormed the governing building, for the Party to look like a credible one and remove his connection to it.

To ensure he never could be a possible candidate for them ever again in any capacity.

Shove him right out in the cold.

He can be called to account for his undermining democracy and incitement too of others to do so.

The end result of him not attending the inauguration of the next President should make it he never ever has any remote chance of attending one again.

If he's going to act like a spoiled brat or a baby, then take away his toys and sweets.
Leave him to it.

In other words write him off for good as to politics.
History will record him as the likeliest worst and most objectionable President of the USA ever.

Just throw him as the garbage he is, out on in 10 days time.
At last.

[bots]

Trump will face consequences for this, and I also think it's important that congress registers what he has done and has a record of those that support and those that do not support his impeachment.

Trump was going to be lucky to avoid jail before the last week, thats why he did what he did, he is in an even worse position now

[Nicky91]

Really there's so much he could be pulled up for it's where to begin.

One of the best things would be for the Republican party, to after the shocking incitement of him to those who stormed the governing building, for the Party to look like a credible one and remove his connection to it.

To ensure he never could be a possible candidate for them ever again in any capacity.

Shove him right out in the cold.

He can be called to account for his undermining democracy and incitement too of others to do so.

The end result of him not attending the inauguration of the next President should make it he never ever has any remote chance of attending one again.

If he's going to act like a spoiled brat or a baby, then take away his toys and sweets.
Leave him to it.

In other words write him off for good as to politics.
History will record him as the likeliest worst and most objectionable President of the USA ever.

Just throw him as the garbage he is, out on in 10 days time.
At last.

well said :clap1:

[Tom4784]

Impeaching him will ensure he can never run again, and that he'll lose the benefits of being an ex-president. It doesn't matter that his time is almost up, he should be impeached for everything he has done.

[user104658]

Yeah there are clear benefits to removing him from office even though he's almost out the door anyway.

That said... Not that I want to jinx it but... I don't think he's realistically running in 2024 either way. If he faces consequences then he won't be able to, if he doesn't he'll feel like he dodged a bullet and while he might blow smoke for another couple of years, ultimately he'll get comfortable playing golf all day and won't want to walk back into fire.

[Denver]

An impeachment can be done against former presidents so it doesn't matter if its nkt before he leaves

[Tom4784]

Yeah there are clear benefits to removing him from office even though he's almost out the door anyway.

That said... Not that I want to jinx it but... I don't think he's realistically running in 2024 either way. If he faces consequences then he won't be able to, if he doesn't he'll feel like he dodged a bullet and while he might blow smoke for another couple of years, ultimately he'll get comfortable playing golf all day and won't want to walk back into fire.

It'll likely damage his family's chances though, since I do think that, at some point, more Trumps will make a play for the White House.

I think they wanted to play at being a political dynasty and his sons do track well with conservatives, iirc. I don't think Trumpism ends with Donald Trump.

[arista]

It'll likely damage his family's chances though, since I do think that, at some point, more Trumps will make a play for the White House.

I think they wanted to play at being a political dynasty and his sons do track well with conservatives, iirc. I don't think Trumpism ends with Donald Trump.




Yes could be.


Trumps Lawyer Alan Dershowitz
has said they can not impeach Trump
before he leaves office. (Live on Sunday Morning Futures)


https://alan-dershowitz.com/

[arista]

Even General Colin Powell
live on CNN HD
said there is not enough time
to impeach Trump
he will be gone on just over a week.

[Denver]

Even General Colin Powell
live on CNN HD
said there is not enough time
to impeach Trump
he will be gone on just over a week.

He can still be impeached out of office

[GiRTh]

It'll likely damage his family's chances though, since I do think that, at some point, more Trumps will make a play for the White House.

I think they wanted to play at being a political dynasty and his sons do track well with conservatives, iirc. I don't think Trumpism ends with Donald Trump.Agree with this. Trumpism isnt over. Both Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley are clearly after the Maga votes and Hawley has already been touted as a young Trumpist. Both are almost certain to run in 2024 if they arent forced to resign over their official objections to the election and attempts to over turn the result.

I dont see any of the Trump family having any kind of impact. They're all a bunch of deadbeats who would be nothing without Daddy's influence. I also dont see Donnie playing 2nd fiddle to any of his children either so he'll predictably try to rise again but hopefully he'll be prevented from ever running for any kind of office again. I hope they impeach him. They should already have the votes.

[The Slim Reaper]

Agree with this. Trumpism isnt over. Both Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley are clearly after the Maga votes and Hawley has already been touted as a young Trumpist. Both are almost certain to run in 2024 if they arent forced to resign over their official objections to the election and attempts to over turn the result.

I dont see any of the Trump family having any kind of impact. They're all a bunch of deadbeats who would be nothing without Daddy's influence. I also dont see Donnie playing 2nd fiddle to any of his children either so he'll predictably try to rise again but hopefully he'll be prevented from ever running for any kind of office again. I hope they impeach him. They should already have the votes.

People focussing on Cruz and Hawley miss the point. There were 13 senators that were going to object to the electors decisions, and over 100 in the house, all positioning themselves for promotions. On top of that, 45% of republicans supported the attack, and none of the elected officials tried to stop trump at any point during the last 4 years.


Ivanka is rumoured to have her eye on Marco Rubio's senate seat because they are finished in NY and they've just bought a prime plot of land down there.

[GiRTh]

People focussing on Cruz and Hawley miss the point. There were 13 senators that were going to object to the electors decisions, and over 100 in the house, all positioning themselves for promotions. On top of that, 45% of republicans supported the attack, and none of the elected officials tried to stop trump at any point during the last 4 years.


Ivanka is rumoured to have her eye on Marco Rubio's senate seat because they are finished in NY and they've just bought a prime plot of land down there.Agree. There were an number of senators who still stated their objections after the rioters had been dispersed and the session reconvened. All should go, in my opinion, with Cruz and Hawley being the two we can almost be certain will run in 2024. Hawley though was the first senator to even talk of objecting to the result so he gets special attention.

As much as I'd like to see Rubio unseated do we think Senator Ivanka will happen? I'm not sure. They're not going to go away, its a case of how much garbage will they be allowed to get away with.

[arista]

It may come to the senate on the 19th.

On the 19th President Trump is flying to Florida
As on the 20th Biden takes over.

They will use the fact Trump said "Go In Peace"

[Denver]

McConnell is said to be pleased that the dems are planning to impeach Trump and sees it as a great opportunity to purge him from GOP