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arista
10-01-2021, 12:11 AM
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A Very Good move.
Amy Jade
10-01-2021, 01:01 AM
*bullied off social media
arista
10-01-2021, 01:03 AM
*bullied off social media
No
they do not need to Start Verbal Wars.
isnt it more because they have contracts with the likes of spotify and netflix who will be expecting the exclusive content
Should have been banned anyway.
AnnieK
10-01-2021, 09:00 AM
Should have been banned anyway.
Why?
Jordan.
10-01-2021, 09:00 AM
isnt it more because they have contracts with the likes of spotify and netflix who will be expecting the exclusive content
Making the bullies PAY to spread their hate. They stay ahead of the game :clap1:
Cherie
10-01-2021, 09:21 AM
Twitter is a cesspit, wouldn’t be on it, or ‘follow’ people if you paid me
Cherie
10-01-2021, 10:27 AM
isnt it more because they have contracts with the likes of spotify and netflix who will be expecting the exclusive content
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Oliver_W
10-01-2021, 10:38 AM
Hard to blame them, social media is just a toxic wasteland. Always tickles me when people are actually surprised to see garbage posted on it...
arista
10-01-2021, 10:47 AM
isnt it more because they have contracts with the likes of spotify and netflix who will be expecting the exclusive content
Yes Very True,
rusticgal
10-01-2021, 01:22 PM
Its for the best....:idc:
Doesn’t Moogs have a secret insta anyway
Doesn’t Moogs have a secret insta anyway
She intends to sell that to Donny
Doesn’t Moogs have a secret insta anyway
GoldHeart
10-01-2021, 03:27 PM
Its for the best....:idc:
Yes now Meghan and Harry can try and live a peaceful life of some what .
rusticgal
10-01-2021, 03:46 PM
Yes now Meghan and Harry can try and live a peaceful life of some what .
They don't want a peaceful life...it was all a lie...:laugh:
What a coincidence. Half sis Samantha Markles book 'Diary of Princess Pushy's Sister' is being published on Friday in USA.
Shut down our social media quickly!!! I smell fear. :think:
hijaxers
10-01-2021, 08:56 PM
The obsession continues.
Well i'm not obsessed but if they want 'quiet' why bleedin announce it ?
Why not just quietly' leave ?
Marsh.
10-01-2021, 09:03 PM
Well i'm not obsessed but if they want 'quiet' why bleedin announce it ?
Why not just quietly' leave ?
Where have they "announced" it?
"The couple are understood to..."
"A source close to the couple said..."
According to the article, they haven't even "left", the Archewell organisation is simply not using social media platforms.
Why?
Far to influential..we cant have people hanging on every word people say if they have millions of followers can we?
I mean imagine if harry started going rogue...AGAIN.
imagine he got that nazi uniform on again for a laugh and tweeted...and the followers thought..........
thesheriff443
10-01-2021, 09:24 PM
Good, now they can spend more time as a family that they bleated on about instead of reading what strangers are saying about them online.
They have quit Twitter and Facebook, now if only they would quit those cringe worthy attention seeking lectures that are supposed to enlighten and 'inspire' :laugh: the masses.
Their recent first podcast was embarrassingly awful and a huge fail by all accounts. No way are Spotify and Netflix going to pay them those big future bucks if this is an indication of what lies in store. Good grief.
thesheriff443
10-01-2021, 09:48 PM
What I find distasteful is her quoting Martin Luther king.
For those that like to use the race card.
As the colour of her skin stopped her marrying into the royal family? No
Has it stopped her having a successful acting career? No
As it stopped her becoming a multi millionaire? No
As it stopped her living a lavish lifestyle? No
Stop preaching your bollox and people won’t pull you up on it Meghan.
Marsh.
10-01-2021, 09:49 PM
What I find distasteful is her quoting Martin Luther king.
For those that like to use the race card.
As the colour of her skin stopped her marrying into the royal family? No
Has it stopped her having a successful acting career? No
As it stopped her becoming a multi millionaire? No
As it stopped her living a lavish lifestyle? No
Stop preaching your bollox and people won’t pull you up on it Meghan.
She became an actress, millionaire and royal so therefore racism doesn't exist? :joker:
thesheriff443
10-01-2021, 09:51 PM
She became an actress, millionaire and royal so therefore racism doesn't exist? :joker:
Not in her case it doesn’t, people simply don’t like her and her puppet husband.
The Slim Reaper
10-01-2021, 09:52 PM
MLK was famous, so maybe he shouldn't have read his own words? :shrug:
What? You're saying Jet is spouting off about something he hasn't watched, read or listened to simply because he doesn't like them?
Colour me shocked.
No. I'm saying you are saying people watch their stuff even though they cant stand their nonsense ..
I ****ing doubt that's correct.
people just know what sickly bollox is getting spouted out by a pair of flakey flakes so dint watch but can also confidently comment.
Marsh.
10-01-2021, 09:54 PM
Not in her case it doesn’t
I suppose her money makes her immune to mental health issues and even death too!!!
Marsh.
10-01-2021, 09:55 PM
No. I'm saying you are saying people watch their stuff even though they cant stand their nonsense ..
I ****ing doubt that's correct.
people just know what sickly bollox is getting spouted out by a pair of flakey flakes so dint watch but can also confidently comment.
Confidently comment on something they know nothing about and have never watched? Yep, sounds like tibb.
rusticgal
10-01-2021, 10:03 PM
Good, now they can spend more time as a family that they bleated on about instead of reading what strangers are saying about them online.
If only....
The Slim Reaper
10-01-2021, 10:16 PM
Exactly. It's worth reading the opinions of royal commentators and reporters on the pairs latest sickly bollox though....or piers morgan's take....it can be amusing. :laugh:
What I don't understand, and maybe you can help me out by explaining, if you don't like them that much, why read what others have to say about them? They're not world leaders or people of any consequence, so why?
If Johnson wasn't PM, I'd happily never see his name in print, or listen to anyone talk about him.
reece(:
10-01-2021, 10:42 PM
Maybe the people on social media obsessed with them will move on... maybe not.
What I don't understand, and maybe you can help me out by explaining, if you don't like them that much, why read what others have to say about them? They're not world leaders or people of any consequence, so why?
If Johnson wasn't PM, I'd happily never see his name in print, or listen to anyone talk about him.
I've answered this dozens of times....I have always had an interest in the Royals, going way back to Alfred. I'm on a forum where all the Henrys and Georges and Williams etc etc are discussed, along with the current lot. The only Royals that are of interest here in threads are Prince Harry and Meghan so here I am.
What the hell is this "Archewell" about anyway? Preachy money making BS.
Harry "I am my mothers son" (shamelessly using Diana again, big pic of her)
Meghan "I am my son's mother".
No mention of fathers anywhere.
Marsh.
10-01-2021, 11:44 PM
What the hell is this "Archewell" about anyway? Preachy money making BS.
"Archewell focuses on non-profit activities"
Yep.
"Archewell focuses on non-profit activities"
Yep.
Reportedly with big 'administrative costs'...:laugh:
Marsh.
11-01-2021, 12:01 AM
Reportedly with big 'administrative costs'...:laugh:
Omg a charity "reportedly" has outgoings. :eek: Whatever next.
Jordan.
11-01-2021, 12:23 AM
They have quit Twitter and Facebook, now if only they would quit those cringe worthy attention seeking lectures that are supposed to enlighten and 'inspire' :laugh: the masses.
Their recent first podcast was embarrassingly awful and a huge fail by all accounts. No way are Spotify and Netflix going to pay them those big future bucks if this is an indication of what lies in store. Good grief.
Listened to it did you? What gave you the impression it was a failure, it's currently the 2nd most popular podcast show in the UK :conf:
Tom4784
11-01-2021, 03:41 AM
Harry and Meghan are no longer royals, they are basically just celebrities at this point so it's weird to obsess over them. If you truly dislike them, look the other way, live your best life not acknowledging them, don't rile yourself up hating someone who doesn't know or care that you exist.
If they were world leaders, then sure, hate away, analyse their actions in that capacity but they're just celebrities. It's just so pointless to pop up ONLY when their names are brought up.
Tom4784
11-01-2021, 03:55 AM
Usually the people we discuss in SD are world leaders and government officials, people with the power to affect the lives of many, it's not really comparable to a pair of celebrities.
Harry and Meghan are no longer royals, they are basically just celebrities at this point so it's weird to obsess over them. If you truly dislike them, look the other way, live your best life not acknowledging them, don't rile yourself up hating someone who doesn't know or care that you exist.
If they were world leaders, then sure, hate away, analyse their actions in that capacity but they're just celebrities. It's just so pointless to pop up ONLY when their names are brought up.
As you would say, you are entitled to be wrong.
Harry was born a royal and will always be one. As long as they insist on keeping the royal titles of Duke and Duchess of Sussex and using their royal status to line their pockets without doing the actual job that comes with the titles, people are entitled to criticize them and their many dubious and hypocritical actions.
...we all know the toxicity of social media, we mention it almost daily in many different topics and how there is very little if any positives with much of it, so it would follow that we would be supportive of any decision from anyone to step out of it...as Meghan and Harry appear to be doing...why should they pander to their abusers and their bullies...these threads that escalate so quickly in their negativity to the point that they’re more often closed down are just the very small tip of what social media is...so it’s not difficult to imagine why social media is so mentally unhealthy a place to be...they get it, their decisions and their very beings are disapproved of every day in every which way, they don’t need that print in front of them and to absorb other people’s negative and abusive/bullying keyboards...
Harry and Meghan have the huge support of their fans - the Sugars - well known to be the most abusive and bullying fans currently on the internet. H&M have praised and thanked them. For all their talk about the evils of social media, they let THEM run rampant without saying a word.
There is a lot of overt and sly bullying going on in threads here, not just H&M ones either, coming from posters to other posters whose opinions or outlooks just happen to differ from their own. But then who cares about that, we aren't famous or influential, we are just people who are actually here, while those who they want to protect are not and will probably never lay eyes on a word written on SD.
... ‘well known to be the most abusive and bullying fans currently on the internet.’ ...Would have to be quantified because I’m sure to many, that’s not well known at all...or that they’re running rampant on the internet while in some way being condoned by Meghan and Harry...and any ‘sly or overt bullying’ that might be happening in this thread or any other Meghan thread, does not appear to be from one side only, if that’s what’s happening...no one can really claim any higher ground...which is why the threads rarely remain open...
Listened to it did you? What gave you the impression it was a failure, it's currently the 2nd most popular podcast show in the UK :conf:
James English must be number one.
Surprised they have the time for social.media anyway what with being new parents and all that.
What I don't understand, and maybe you can help me out by explaining, if you don't like them that much, why read what others have to say about them? They're not world leaders or people of any consequence, so why?
Sorry, my perfectly acceptable answer to your question was deleted for some reason and I'm not typing it all out again. Perhaps Niamh can explain why. :shrug:
Niamh.
11-01-2021, 11:00 AM
Sorry, my perfectly acceptable answer to your question was deleted for some reason and I'm not typing it all out again. Perhaps Niamh can explain why. :shrug:
Just got caught in the middle of other posts I was deleting :thumbs:
rusticgal
11-01-2021, 11:54 AM
Surprised they have the time for social.media anyway what with being new parents and all that.
Mothers in laws role with all the trimmings.....
Tom4784
11-01-2021, 12:26 PM
As you would say, you are entitled to be wrong.
Harry was born a royal and will always be one. As long as they insist on keeping the royal titles of Duke and Duchess of Sussex and using their royal status to line their pockets without doing the actual job that comes with the titles, people are entitled to criticize them and their many dubious and hypocritical actions.
Except I'm not, they stepped away from that life. They're just celebrities now
There's plenty of celebrities I don't care about but I don't lie in wait for news about them to pick apart. I prefer to focus on things that actually matter.
Except I'm not, they stepped away from that life. They're just celebrities now
There's plenty of celebrities I don't care about but I don't lie in wait for news about them to pick apart. I prefer to focus on things that actually matter.
When they no longer call themselves the Duke and Duchess of Sussex and stop benefiting from those titles and make it on their own merits, then they will be just celebrities. They have no gravitas or qualifications or experience to rake in the big bucks without their titles. The Obama's they are not.
As long as they sit on their settee in their mansion giving their many hypocritical lectures to date (do as I say, not as I do!) then they are putting themselves out there as public figures influencing public opinion and people have a right to comment on them.
If you just focus on things that actually matter, what do you care what anyone has to say about 2 people you insist are just celebrities? You post in every thread about those 'just celebrities', with no opinions of your own about them- just to tell others what you find weird, obsessive and pointless about their opinions or interest.
Isn't that weird, obsessive and pointless? As we say in Ireland, 'catch yourself on' Dezzy.
Kizzy
11-01-2021, 01:23 PM
Why are they not the 'obamas'... surely by the same principle they are cashing In on old titles to spread some kind of awareness?
He is by birth a prince ... he's given up his birthright.
He will never stop benefitting, he is a royal, strip him of everything and he will still be a Winsor?
AnnieK
11-01-2021, 01:34 PM
Why are they not the 'obamas'... surely by the same principle they are cashing In on old titles to spread some kind of awareness?
He is by birth a prince ... he's given up his birthright.
He will never stop benefitting, he is a royal, strip him of everything and he will still be a Winsor?
Exactly and the same as Diana did after she was stripped of her HRH. He will always be a Prince and the grandson if the Queen, son and brother of the future King.
Cherie
11-01-2021, 01:48 PM
Just because they are no longer performing Royal duties does not mean those with an interest in all things Royal should stop taking an interest
Why are they not the 'obamas'... surely by the same principle they are cashing In on old titles to spread some kind of awareness?
He is by birth a prince ... he's given up his birthright.
He will never stop benefitting, he is a royal, strip him of everything and he will still be a Winsor?
I was referring to the Obama's gravitas and experience as public speakers....and how Meghan and Harry don't have that behind them as public figures trying to influence the general public with their embarrassing and hypocritical 'lectures'.
The Americans love Royal titles. How do you think a not very bright fella and a z list actress got mega buck deals from Netflix and Spotify? :laugh:
Neither N or S will be satisfied with their headboy and headgirl lectures and films. They will want more than that out of them for the money.
If they gave up their titles I can't see plain old Harry and Meghan getting many big deals in a few years time. The USA want the TITLES. In fact I think in a few years they will be nobodies anyway once the corporations have had what they want from them - and believe me it isn't their wonderful proven film making talent.
...a not very bright fella and a z list actress....ooops....
...I think they’ll be fine, though and hopefully have a good future for their family there...
...a not very bright fella and a z list actress....ooops....
...I think they’ll be fine, though and hopefully have a good future for their family there...
Nothing wrong with being not very bright or a little known actress, not everyone can be top notch...and it IS the truth. what is ooops about it?
...I have no idea what not very bright or top notch is and how they’re being defined ...Albert Einstein, Richard Branson, Deborah Meaden, Simon Cowell, Guy Ritchie, Lord Alan Sugar...and etc, etc....they may all have been defined as not very bright and yet, they’re very top notch people, indeed...there is no ‘truth’, there are many truths and many definitions of ‘bright’...
...I have no idea what not very bright or top notch is and how they’re being defined ...Albert Einstein, Richard Branson, Deborah Meaden, Simon Cowell, Guy Ritchie, Lord Alan Sugar...and etc, etc....they may all have been defined as not very bright and yet, they’re very top notch people, indeed...there is no ‘truth’, there are many truths and many definitions of ‘bright’...
Indeed, as I said, nothing wrong with not being very bright...but I was asking what the 'ooops' was for?
AnnieK
11-01-2021, 02:21 PM
Academia is not the be all and end all. Harry fought on the front line....he has given injured veterans purpose with Invictus....all worth more than a few qualifications imo.
...I’ve spent a huge part of my life working with children who it would be awful for them to feel that some ‘bright’ adults would think of them as ‘not very bright’ people...because they most certainly have been some of the brightest people I’ve known...
Academia is not the be all and end all. Harry fought on the front line....he has given injured veterans purpose with Invictus....all worth more than a few qualifications imo.
Indeed, but not worth a mega bucks deal when there are many young talented film and documentary makers out there who would give their right arm for a chance with Netflix for a fraction of the obscene amount the Sussexes are being paid. No wonder Netflix has increased their customers subscriptions.
thesheriff443
11-01-2021, 02:31 PM
Academia is not the be all and end all. Harry fought on the front line....he has given injured veterans purpose with Invictus....all worth more than a few qualifications imo.
But he has turned his back on all those now and was not allowed to lay a wreath because it was in bad taste so instead had a photo shoot of the hem laying a wreath at a cemetery
As for protecting his mother’s memory, he uses her name and memory now to gain sympathy and keep the cash coming in
They are using racism to pay for their lavish lifestyle
And lots to of people are not fooled by their bollox.
...I’ve spent a huge part of my life working with children who it would be awful for them to feel that some ‘bright’ adults would think of them as ‘not very bright’ people...because they most certainly have been some of the brightest people I’ve known...
Quite right too...but Harry and Meghan aren't children and this is an adult forum, not a classroom.
But he has turned his back on all those now and was not allowed to lay a wreath because it was in bad taste so instead had a photo shoot of the hem laying a wreath at a cemetery
As for protecting his mother’s memory, he uses her name and memory now to gain sympathy and keep the cash coming in
They are using racism to pay for their lavish lifestyle
And lots to of people are not fooled by their bollox.
:clap1:
...no, they’re two very bright adults so far as I can see, there’s no reason to define them any differently...or even to feel that any personal definition of ‘brightness’ would apply to either of them...
...no, they’re two very bright adults so far as I can see, there’s no reason to define them any differently...or even to feel that any personal definition of ‘brightness’ would apply to either of them...
I didn't say Meghan wasn't very bright though.....IMO - if I'm allowed one without being pulled up at every turn - I think she's a very bright hustler and grifter.
...of course, it is just a personal judgement/opinion, though...of what you personally feel defines ‘bright’ and doesn’t make a descriptive of ‘not very bright fella’ a correct one or a ‘truth’ as was said...
AnnieK
11-01-2021, 03:13 PM
But he has turned his back on all those now and was not allowed to lay a wreath because it was in bad taste so instead had a photo shoot of the hem laying a wreath at a cemetery
As for protecting his mother’s memory, he uses her name and memory now to gain sympathy and keep the cash coming in
They are using racism to pay for their lavish lifestyle
And lots to of people are not fooled by their bollox.
Do you think that would bother Diana? I don't. She was a shrewd woman who adored her kids. She would be happy that Harry is doing what he wants and making a success of it.
Niamh.
11-01-2021, 03:19 PM
Do you think that would bother Diana? I don't. She was a shrewd woman who adored her kids. She would be happy that Harry is doing what he wants and making a success of it.
I agree especially after what she had to endure in that family
Glenn.
11-01-2021, 03:24 PM
But he has turned his back on all those now and was not allowed to lay a wreath because it was in bad taste so instead had a photo shoot of the hem laying a wreath at a cemetery
As for protecting his mother’s memory, he uses her name and memory now to gain sympathy and keep the cash coming in
They are using racism to pay for their lavish lifestyle
And lots to of people are not fooled by their bollox.
Such a cynical and in-depth thought process for a couple you’re not interested in.
I agree especially after what she had to endure in that family
I was a big fan of Diana. Charles was rotten to her, the Queen Mother didn't like her, but the rest of the family were very good to her, especially Prince Philip would you believe. Diana adored the Queen and she was very close to Prince Andrew.
I hope people aren't going by the current series of The Crown, if they are watching, most of it is hyped up fiction for dramatic effect . :hee:
Do you think that would bother Diana? I don't. She was a shrewd woman who adored her kids. She would be happy that Harry is doing what he wants and making a success of it.
Nothing bothers Diana now. :love: Harry cashing in on their mothers memory infuriates William though, which is another reason why the brothers are still estranged.
Niamh.
11-01-2021, 03:40 PM
I was a big fan of Diana. Charles was rotten to her, the Queen Mother didn't like her, but the rest of the family were very good to her, especially Prince Philip would you believe. Diana adored the Queen and she was very close to Prince Andrew.
I hope people aren't going by the current series of The Crown, if they are watching, most of it is hyped up fiction for dramatic effect . :hee:
No, I did watch the Crown but I didn't take that as gospel, anything that did peak my curiosity after I watched I checked to see how true it was. Dianas own words said that the Queen was very cold with her after the troubles in her marriage showed and that she blamed Diana for those issues, she told her that her marriage was falling a part because of her Bulimia
"Diana says the Queen eventually considered her to be “a threat”
Despite early warmth from Queen Elizabeth, Diana said that their relationship soured when her and Charles’s marriage began to deteriorate. “I long to get inside her mind and talk to her and I will. I’ve always said to her: ‘I’ll never let you down but I cannot say the same for your son.’ She took it quite well,” Diana recalled. “She indicated to me that the reason why our marriage had gone downhill was because Prince Charles was having such a difficult time with my bulimia. She told me that.” This made Diana realize that the royal family thought she was the sole “cause of the marriage problems, and not one of the symptoms.”
https://www.vulture.com/2020/11/how-true-is-the-crown-princess-diana-tell-all-book.html
...of course, it is just a personal judgement/opinion, though...of what you personally feel defines ‘bright’ and doesn’t make a descriptive of ‘not very bright fella’ a correct one or a ‘truth’ as was said...
It is the truth that he is not academically bright. He admits it himself. :shrug:
Niamh.
11-01-2021, 03:42 PM
Nothing bothers Diana now. :love: Harry cashing in on their mothers memory infuriates William though, which is another reason why the brothers are still estranged.
Diana was as much Harry's mother as Williams, William doesn't own the rights to speaking about her
rusticgal
11-01-2021, 03:45 PM
Why are they not the 'obamas'... surely by the same principle they are cashing In on old titles to spread some kind of awareness?
He is by birth a prince ... he's given up his birthright.
He will never stop benefitting, he is a royal, strip him of everything and he will still be a Winsor?
Obama was a President...he ran the country for two Terms. Whats Harry done?. They quit the Royal family...they quit for a quiet life. However neither of them want to give up their Royal titles...in fact they tried hard to use them for their own gain until The Queen stepped in. They dont want a quiet life...they want to be celebrities off the back of their Royal titles only with the freedom to do as they like.
AnnieK
11-01-2021, 03:45 PM
Diana was as much Harry's mother as Williams, William doesn't own the rights to speaking about her
Exactly.
rusticgal
11-01-2021, 03:49 PM
...I have no idea what not very bright or top notch is and how they’re being defined ...Albert Einstein, Richard Branson, Deborah Meaden, Simon Cowell, Guy Ritchie, Lord Alan Sugar...and etc, etc....they may all have been defined as not very bright and yet, they’re very top notch people, indeed...there is no ‘truth’, there are many truths and many definitions of ‘bright’...
Well they had all had a talent....:laugh:
the crown has adapted the historical facts to make it a bit more entertaining, but the facts are there as anchors that can't be avoided. If we go back to the point where Diana died, the queen had to be told to fly the flag at half mast, she had no empathy toward the British public. Indeed, it was that point forward that I lost all respect for the royal family.
Diana was as much Harry's mother as Williams, William doesn't own the rights to speaking about her
There is a difference in speaking about her and making money from her memory.
Well they had all had a talent....:laugh:
...(...as well as his other talents..:laugh:...)...Harry’s talent is also following his own path/life for himself and his family, rather than staying within something that he was born to ...but obviously didn’t bring him happiness...
Niamh.
11-01-2021, 03:55 PM
the crown has adapted the historical facts to make it a bit more entertaining, but the facts are there as anchors that can't be avoided. If we go back to the point where Diana died, the queen had to be told to fly the flag at half mast, she had no empathy toward the British public. Indeed, it was that point forward that I lost all respect for the royal family.
Not just the British Public, Diana was the mother to her two grand children
the crown has adapted the historical facts to make it a bit more entertaining, but the facts are there as anchors that can't be avoided. If we go back to the point where Diana died, the queen had to be told to fly the flag at half mast, she had no empathy toward the British public. Indeed, it was that point forward that I lost all respect for the royal family.
...I haven’t watched any of the Crown, Bots...but I watched some interviews with Charles Spencer recently ...and he said that The Crown was all fairly fictitious...
Niamh.
11-01-2021, 03:56 PM
There is a difference in speaking about her and making money from her memory.
That is just your view on it though, it doesn't make it true. He's allowed speak about his dead mother
the crown has adapted the historical facts to make it a bit more entertaining, but the facts are there as anchors that can't be avoided. If we go back to the point where Diana died, the queen had to be told to fly the flag at half mast, she had no empathy toward the British public. Indeed, it was that point forward that I lost all respect for the royal family.
Yes, that was disgraceful. I went right off the Queen for quite a while myself after that.
LukeB
11-01-2021, 04:00 PM
No, I did watch the Crown but I didn't take that as gospel, anything that did peak my curiosity after I watched I checked to see how true it was. Dianas own words said that the Queen was very cold with her after the troubles in her marriage showed and that she blamed Diana for those issues, she told her that her marriage was falling a part because of her Bulimia
"Diana says the Queen eventually considered her to be “a threat”
Despite early warmth from Queen Elizabeth, Diana said that their relationship soured when her and Charles’s marriage began to deteriorate. “I long to get inside her mind and talk to her and I will. I’ve always said to her: ‘I’ll never let you down but I cannot say the same for your son.’ She took it quite well,” Diana recalled. “She indicated to me that the reason why our marriage had gone downhill was because Prince Charles was having such a difficult time with my bulimia. She told me that.” This made Diana realize that the royal family thought she was the sole “cause of the marriage problems, and not one of the symptoms.”
https://www.vulture.com/2020/11/how-true-is-the-crown-princess-diana-tell-all-book.html
Yet the queen is adored even when she wasn't a nice person but Meghan gets slated for breathing when she hasn't said or did anything bad/nasty hmm
Glenn.
11-01-2021, 04:01 PM
That is just your view on it though, it doesn't make it true. He's allowed speak about his dead mother
No he isn’t! How dare he speak of the mother he lost at such a young age!
Niamh.
11-01-2021, 04:06 PM
No he isn’t! How dare he speak of the mother he lost at such a young age!
I mean another way to look at it is that maybe now because of his own deteriorated relationship with the royal family he understands his mother a bit more and what she might have went through, being on the other side now like she was, he was only a child when she died, he wouldn't really have understood that properly back then
That is just your view on it though, it doesn't make it true. He's allowed speak about his dead mother
It's not just my view. He was paid a wad of money to speak to a gathering of big bankers about her and his mental health in the US.
He is accepting big bucks from Netflix who are misrepresenting his own family, no matter how dysfunctional some of them may be, they ARE his family.
Niamh.
11-01-2021, 04:09 PM
It's not just my view. He was paid a wad of money to speak to a gathering of big bankers about her and his mental health in the US.
He is accepting big bucks from Netflix who are misrepresenting his own family, no matter how dysfunctional some of them may be, they ARE his family.
It is just your view though, Harry spoke about his mother and you made a judgement on his motivations. William has spoken about his mother on TV before as well
..Harry has been very open in discussing mental health and he’s linked it to the death of his mother when he was so young...William has spoken about mental health as well...that’s a good thing, to raise awareness...that being a member of a Royal family doesn’t exclude from such things and poor mental health...
It is just your view though, Harry spoke about his mother and you made a judgement on his motivations. William has spoken about his mother on TV before as well
Yes, its my view Harry shouldn't use her to make money or further his ambitious.
Others may think that's perfectly fine. No problem. :shrug:
rusticgal
11-01-2021, 04:17 PM
...I haven’t watched any of the Crown, Bots...but I watched some interviews with Charles Spencer recently ...and he said that The Crown was all fairly fictitious...
We watched it recently...since watching it I have also watched programmes based on individual members. There was one on Charles and another on Camilla 2 nights ago. When you watch them the Crown is pretty accurate...but obviously conversations are created to fit around events and possibly based on Royal insiders interpretation of events, so much of that must be fictitious.
We really enjoyed it though.
...seeing the love Diana felt for her sons, I’m personally pretty confident that she would think Harry and his family’s future and happiness would be the best spending of any money...that’s what most parents would feel, I think...
We watched it recently...since watching it I have also watched programmes based on individual members. There was one on Charles and another on Camilla 2 nights ago. When you watch them the Crown is pretty accurate...but obviously conversations are created to fit around events and possibly based on Royal insiders interpretation of events, so much of that must be fictitious.
We really enjoyed it though.
...I should watch it, really...it has great reviews and I know that quite a few of my friends are addicted....it was interesting though that Charles Spencer said that it was fairly fictitious and yet that seems not quite how it is by what’s being said...
Glenn.
11-01-2021, 04:22 PM
I mean another way to look at it is that maybe now because of his own deteriorated relationship with the royal family he understands his mother a bit more and what she might have went through, being on the other side now like she was, he was only a child when she died, he wouldn't really have understood that properly back then
Any normal person would see it precisely that way. William has spoken about mental health and his mother many times but that’s ok because he’s being kept by the tax payer.
Niamh.
11-01-2021, 04:22 PM
Yes, its my view Harry shouldn't use her to make money or further his ambitious.
Others may think that's perfectly fine. No problem. :shrug:
So no one should ever talk about their dead loved ones if they're getting paid to do talks? I just don't see how it's disrespectful, speaking about loved ones keeps their memory alive and it's therapeutic, Diana did suffer greatly in that family and with her mental health, personally I think she would be glad her son is still talking about her and recognising what she went through and sharing that with the world, she suffered in silence for a long time
Niamh.
11-01-2021, 04:24 PM
We watched it recently...since watching it I have also watched programmes based on individual members. There was one on Charles and another on Camilla 2 nights ago. When you watch them the Crown is pretty accurate...but obviously conversations are created to fit around events and possibly based on Royal insiders interpretation of events, so much of that must be fictitious.
We really enjoyed it though.
I actually thought I'd hate it but it was really good
rusticgal
11-01-2021, 04:25 PM
I actually thought I'd hate it but it was really good
We watched it back to front....we watched the last series then decided to watch the rest as it was so good...:laugh:
...(...as well as his other talents..:laugh:...)...Harry’s talent is also following his own path/life for himself and his family, rather than staying within something that he was born to ...but obviously didn’t bring him happiness...
All I ever seen was a happy go lucky Harry always larking around, smiling and making wisecracks...now he comes across as sullen, anxious and quite sad but putting a brave face on it. He's just not himself though now and again he comes to life when talking about something genuinely dear to him and not the BS Meghan feeds him with. He doesn't look well either, like he is medicated or something....
Niamh.
11-01-2021, 04:26 PM
Any normal person would see it precisely that way. William has spoken about mental health and his mother many times but that’s ok because he’s being kept by the tax payer.
Yeah it seems hypocritical or again like Harry should lose the right to speak about his mother because he left the Royal family........
rusticgal
11-01-2021, 04:28 PM
What baffles me is that all the stuff Harry and Meghan preach through their Podcasts....they could have done this on the best stage of all as part of the Royal Family....:shrug:
Niamh.
11-01-2021, 04:29 PM
We watched it back to front....we watched the last series then decided to watch the rest as it was so good...:laugh:
I found the earlier seasons interesting because it all happened before my time so I didn't know any of that history and the later seasons interesting in a different way because I would have known a lot of the stuff through the media at that time
All I ever seen was a happy go lucky Harry always larking around, smiling and making wisecracks...now he comes across as sullen, anxious and quite sad but putting a brave face on it. He's just not himself though now and again he comes to life when talking about something genuinely dear to him and not the BS Meghan feeds him with. He doesn't look well either, like he is medicated or something....
..it’s interesting in this article...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ceciliarodriguez/2017/04/18/prince-harry-opens-up-about-his-20-years-of-mental-struggle/?sh=6f55f82378ab
...because what he appears to be saying is that ‘fun/happy go lucky/larking around’....Harry..?..is a time in his life when he was avoiding processing his grief, which he tried to avoid for two decades...and that’s something that I’ve known to happen../...similar things with other people...
...and we know ourselves, even without PTS and such the like...that people can smile their widest smiles and lark around the most when they’re at their lowest points...The surface can be such a mask...
What baffles me is that all the stuff Harry and Meghan preach through their Podcasts....they could have done this on the best stage of all as part of the Royal Family....:shrug:
...Harry has always seemed as though he never really enjoyed the fit with Royal duties in the same way as his brother...I mean it’s just such a ‘trade off’ as well, I guess...to give your whole life to duty if that’s not where your heart lies...
rusticgal
11-01-2021, 04:35 PM
All I ever seen was a happy go lucky Harry always larking around, smiling and making wisecracks...now he comes across as sullen, anxious and quite sad but putting a brave face on it. He's just not himself though now and again he comes to life when talking about something genuinely dear to him and not the BS Meghan feeds him with. He doesn't look well either, like he is medicated or something....
He does seem to have lost the Happy-go-lucky aspect. Maybe its dawned on him...he has gone from playing second fiddle to William to playing second fiddle to Meghan.....all he wanted was a quiet life :laugh:
Any normal person would see it precisely that way. William has spoken about mental health and his mother many times but that’s ok because he’s being kept by the tax payer.
Spoken without payment, and NOT many times. He isn't being KEPT by the taxpayer either, he's a working royal.
The comparison isn't there, because Harry was paid to speak to bankers about her and is being paid by a company that is making up fictional conversations etc for dramatic effect (and controversy to get people to watch!) about his FAMILY for huge profits.
Again, if you don't see the difference here, no problem. We all have different cut off points for what we deem acceptable and honorable.
AnnieK
11-01-2021, 04:40 PM
He's a married man in his 30s with a young child now. He can't be the Peter Pan Prince forever :shrug: I'm sure we were all a lot more happy go lucky when we were younger, I know I definitely was
rusticgal
11-01-2021, 04:42 PM
...Harry has always seemed as though he never really enjoyed the fit with Royal duties in the same way as his brother...
I disagree...I think Harry quite enjoyed it. He knew he could let his guard down a little and people loved his cheekiness. It was the Press he didnt like.
In fact Harry always looked like he enjoyed it more than William....and its only since William settled down with Kate that he has finally found his role more fulfilling...imo.
Which is why I think Harry and Meghan should have given themselves more time to adapt...but I think Meghan had other ideas.
rusticgal
11-01-2021, 04:44 PM
He's a married man in his 30s with a young child now. He can't be the Peter Pan Prince forever :shrug: I'm sure we were all a lot more happy go lucky when we were younger, I know I definitely was
...you dont lose your sense of humour though :shrug:
...William wouldn't be allowed to be paid for anything he speaks about ...I mean, he’s fully financed for being a Royal...but that’s the point, though...Harry stepped down from that so he does have to think of income also ...that isn’t betraying anything with his mother...
..it’s interesting in this article...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ceciliarodriguez/2017/04/18/prince-harry-opens-up-about-his-20-years-of-mental-struggle/?sh=6f55f82378ab
...because what he appears to be saying is that ‘fun/happy go lucky/larking around’....Harry..?..is a time in his life when he was avoiding processing his grief, which he tried to avoid for two decades...and that’s something that I’ve known to happen../...similar things with other people...
...and we know ourselves, even without PTS and such the like...that people can smile their widest smiles and lark around the most when they’re at their lowest points...The surface can be such a mask...
He seems to have lost his coping mechanism...he looks all the worse for having processed his grief, if he has indeed done so. Poor Harry. x
He seems to have lost his coping mechanism...he looks all the worse for having processed his grief, if he has indeed done so. Poor Harry. x
...well, he really does seem very happy and animated when he’s with his wife../..his family and that’s truly what I see and what he conveys...that they’re a couple who are deeply in love...(...but also having had huge changes in their lives over the last few years in the glare of lots of criticisms...)...it’s a huge life change but that doesn’t mean he isn’t content and happy, it’s stressful though to go through change...and as he’s said, he’s processed a lot in his later life../...or more recently I should say, he’s very young still...and the apparent closeness of their relationship to me, would also indicate how much Meghan has helped him with his mental well being...
AnnieK
11-01-2021, 05:02 PM
As a post insulting me has just been deleted, I will bow out of this discussion now. :douf:
I disagree...I think Harry quite enjoyed it. He knew he could let his guard down a little and people loved his cheekiness. It was the Press he didnt like.
In fact Harry always looked like he enjoyed it more than William....and its only since William settled down with Kate that he has finally found his role more fulfilling...imo.
Which is why I think Harry and Meghan should have given themselves more time to adapt...but I think Meghan had other ideas.
Totally agree with that. Harry had it made, all the perks without the responsibilities of a future King or as many duties to fulfill. No wonder he looked like the cat that got the cream and was able to get away with things that William ever could. His bodyguards and staff all say what a happy go lucky cheeky chappy he always was, not a deep thinker like William.
Meghan was never going to stick around the UK and soon found excuses to flee, she had won the lottery that would take her back to celeb land with her catch and make those dollars and get that bigtime fame she had hungered after her whole life (according to those who knew her).
Harry seems nothing like his former self, he's gotten a bad deal, methinks.
...well, he really does seem very happy and animated when he’s with his wife..
Really? To me he looks as if he's forcing joyfulness and he's a bit nervous....but trying to mask it...Meghan always takes the lead and often stares intently at him when he's talking and he often stumbles over his words when she does that. I thought he seemed more like himself when he did that video chat thing on his own. :shrug:
SherzyK
11-01-2021, 05:18 PM
Happy for them :love:
https://i.ibb.co/kDqhdTn/AA41-C619-294-E-4-B6-C-B602-9-D37-F06-DC079.jpg
Crimson Dynamo
11-01-2021, 05:21 PM
Lovely to see them do this in SUpport of Donald
Take that BIG TECH
Niamh.
11-01-2021, 05:21 PM
Lovely to see them do this in SUpport of Donald
Take that BIG TECH
:laugh:
What baffles me is that all the stuff Harry and Meghan preach through their Podcasts....they could have done this on the best stage of all as part of the Royal Family....:shrug:
Yes, if they really wanted to do REAL good WORK the royal family was the perfect platform.
Instead they have chosen to live in celeb land surrounded by the celebs who made up the majority of their wedding guests and who didn't even know them...with one guest from Meghan's family - her mother, who had to sit there all alone. Awful.
For instance, George Clooney was asked at their wedding how he came to know Harry and Meghan. He replied 'I don't, I only met them today'. :laugh:
SherzyK
11-01-2021, 05:23 PM
Lovely to see them do this in SUpport of Donald
Take that BIG TECH
Love Donald Glover :love:
Really? To me he looks as if he's forcing joyfulness and he's a bit nervous....but trying to mask it...Meghan always takes the lead and often stares intently at him when he's talking and he often stumbles over his words when she does that. I thought he seemed more like himself when he did that video chat thing on his own. :shrug:
...yeah, honestly/really...:laugh:...I mean, there are changes in his life and his role, so that will obviously bring some stress factors as well with the adjustments...and they are new parents also, which is an ever adjusting and learning thing...and he’s aware that he has many, many scrutinising eyes on him..but with so many factors, he still seems comfortable and happy to me in all of the choices he’s making with Meghan...I really would like to see their future and family going from strength to strength...
Glenn.
11-01-2021, 05:31 PM
Happy for them :love:
https://i.ibb.co/kDqhdTn/AA41-C619-294-E-4-B6-C-B602-9-D37-F06-DC079.jpg
Look at her mouthing the words ‘smile for the camera’
What a malicious controlling bitch!
Look at her mouthing the words ‘smile for the camera’
What a malicious controlling bitch!
Awww, that was back in the day when Harry looked genuinely happy and we were all thrilled for them. I thought she was perfect for him then as most did and their popularity was sky high....such promise ahead....
Oh well.
Lovely to see them do this in SUpport of Donald
Take that BIG TECH
:joker:
rusticgal
11-01-2021, 05:54 PM
Look at her mouthing the words ‘smile for the camera’
What a malicious controlling bitch!
I know...poor Harry :laugh:
Marsh.
11-01-2021, 06:08 PM
Academia is not the be all and end all. Harry fought on the front line....he has given injured veterans purpose with Invictus....all worth more than a few qualifications imo.
But... but.... they need qualifications to work with Netflix.
Tom4784
11-01-2021, 07:34 PM
Honestly, the media intent on painting her as some controlling conniving manipulator and the gammon that provides such narratives with enough clicks to keep it going reeks of racism and misogyny. I'll never forget the pregnancy coverage comparison between Meghan and Kate, how Kate was 'glowing' and how Meghan was an attention seeker for holding her belly... One is a white english woman, the other a mixed race American and it would be incredibly naive to think that doesn't affect the coverage at all.
Harry is a grown ass man, he is not some little boy under an enchantress' spell. She's not some evil villain. Considering everything he went through as a kid and throughout his life, it's no real wonder that Harry doesn't really want to be a royal, that he wants to be in a position to engage the press on his own terms. Would you? I certainly wouldn't be a royal if I grew up with his baggage.
Honestly, I couldn't care if we never heard from them again but the pure vitriol is disturbing and hypocritical, considering what happened to Diana and how the press ended up destroying her. The same people who raise up Diana on a pedestal are the same people who will trash Meghan for breathing and will be the same people who will disingenuously post #bekind if the pressure proves too much for Meghan... It's all just ****ing hideous.
Marsh.
11-01-2021, 08:18 PM
Honestly, the media intent on painting her as some controlling conniving manipulator and the gammon that provides such narratives with enough clicks to keep it going reeks of racism and misogyny. I'll never forget the pregnancy coverage comparison between Meghan and Kate, how Kate was 'glowing' and how Meghan was an attention seeker for holding her belly... One is a white english woman, the other a mixed race American and it would be incredibly naive to think that doesn't affect the coverage at all.
Harry is a grown ass man, he is not some little boy under an enchantress' spell. She's not some evil villain. Considering everything he went through as a kid and throughout his life, it's no real wonder that Harry doesn't really want to be a royal, that he wants to be in a position to engage the press on his own terms. Would you? I certainly wouldn't be a royal if I grew up with his baggage.
Honestly, I couldn't care if we never heard from them again but the pure vitriol is disturbing and hypocritical, considering what happened to Diana and how the press ended up destroying her. The same people who raise up Diana on a pedestal are the same people who will trash Meghan for breathing and will be the same people who will disingenuously post #bekind if the pressure proves too much for Meghan... It's all just ****ing hideous.
Yeah, the same rags that spouted "Be Kind" after Flack's suicide, despite being the very ones knocking her down. Just a cesspit.
Following some discussion here about the latest series of the Crown - Interesting article about the creator and social media...
SIMON JENKINS: The Crown's creator loathes the Royal Family and he's playing with fire by titillating the public with fake history
Netflix’s latest season of The Crown opens with a warning of ‘scenes of an eating disorder which some viewers may find troubling’. There is no mention of a truth disorder.
Did the Royal Family humiliate Mrs Thatcher at Balmoral? No. Did Charles phone Camilla every day after marrying Diana. No. Did the Queen have relatives locked in a mental hospital to avoid embarrassment? No.
These and other falsities are not colour to flesh out a Royal docudrama. They are lies aimed at falsely accusing public figures. Do they matter? Does truth matter?
Anyone seeking to titillate the public with fabricated history plays with fire. Apologists for the latest £97 million season of The Crown argue that Royalty has long been the butt of satirical fiction.
It can take global ridicule for public entertainment in its stride. If Camilla suffers a vicious troll attack, she can handle it.
The creator of the series, Peter Morgan, was probably right to think himself in the clear. He was not offending a sensitive minority or overtly promoting hate speech.
He was making reportedly the most lavish television series in history, with a vast Hollywood corporation behind him and the bullet-proof vest of ‘artistic licence’ to silence critics.
To the meticulous historian of Royalty, Hugo Vickers, the episodes are so drenched in inaccuracy – eight false scenes in the first episode of the latest series alone – that the fact that some victims are dead hardly dilutes his outrage. Many are not.
The Crown accuses the 99-year-old Prince Philip of serial infidelity, involvement in the Profumo affair and threatening Diana if she leaves Charles that ‘it won’t end well’.
In 1960, the Duke of Edinburgh and an Australian Royal press secretary William Heseltine decided to ‘rebrand’ the Monarchy as a ‘Royal Family’, a happy couple and lovable quartet of children.
They should have known where it would end, in a raging global soap opera. The world would hang on every titbit of gossip and scandal.
What was first screened on TV as a demure Balmoral barbecue has led inexorably to an eternal upmarket version of Keeping Up With The Kardashians.
Representing living people ‘on stage’ is always dangerous, drama’s last resort. It is ‘sexing up’ fiction with the gold-dust of reality to help suspend disbelief.
Newsreels of real events, such as Ulster’s Bloody Sunday are inserted into The Crown to promote verisimilitude.
Emma Corrin claims to have realised from the script that the Diana she was playing ‘was a fictionalised character’.
That did not stop her poring over Diana recordings ‘to perfect the intonations and inflections in her voice’. She fooled the world.
I admired Morgan’s film of The Queen about the Palace’s reaction to the death of Diana. It reconstructed the events in Buckingham Palace and Downing Street with what seemed meticulous care.
Helen Mirren made a superb and plausible Queen, despite the cheap metaphor of Diana as a dead stag, an image lamely repeated in The Crown. It was plain that researched accuracy to known events was the most effective vehicle for the truth.
Morgan has not challenged Vickers’ – or anyone’s – charge of falsehood. He has instead piously declared that ‘sometimes you have to forsake accuracy, but you must never forsake truth’. His victims might reasonably ask what is the difference.
This is nothing to do with artistic licence, whatever that means. The clear intention of the latest season of The Crown is to convey the impression of a thoroughly nasty Royal Family in some way responsible for Diana’s death.
Anyone wanting to make a drama about a dysfunctional royal family could have used a fictional one. I suspect no one would have watched.
Equally, Morgan could have made The Crown without defamatory fabrications – as he succeeded in doing in The Queen. I think plenty would have watched.
But he was clearly consumed by his own fantasies and driven by a loathing of the Royal Family. He made Princess Margaret truly nasty and Olivia Colman’s Queen a sour-faced prig.
Most outrageous, he made Prince Philip detest Diana, which he did not, and deliver her a final, menacing threat.
The hijacking of history to prop up a good tale may be as old as the hills. Oliver Stone’s movie JFK ‘proved’ that Lyndon Johnson conspired to assassinate President Kennedy.
It grossed £149 million and I know plenty of informed people who found it convincing.
The same applied to the endlessly cited historical travesty, Shakespeare’s Richard III. The films Braveheart and The Patriot monstrously traduced Britain for Nazi-style imperial atrocities, both par for Hollywood in the past.
So, too, were the countless films on which I was brought up, implying that Britain fought Hitler alone. They are still shown nightly on British television.
Morgan’s defenders argue that sensible people will not have believed his inaccuracies and that the general message of the series – that the rest of the Royal Family had it in for Diana – was the truth.
I am sure obsessive Royal-watchers can separate truth from falsehood while anti-Royalists will wallow in confirmation bias.
But the message for millions round the world – with no regular source of information about Britain’s Royal Family – is that The Crown is the gospel truth. Let’s just say that is a pity.
Journalists writing ‘the first rough draft of history’ are forbidden knowingly to invent facts. If they do – whether by accident or design – they are subject to public correction or a court of law.
If they were to cry ‘artistic licence’ for phone hacking or ‘free speech’ for causing offence or inciting hatred, they would be pilloried, fined or jailed.
A £97 million Hollywood contract and an uncontrollable urge to insult a monarch would not, at least in Britain, be a plausible defence.
For me, history can look after itself. Only Richard III’s descendants need complain about Shakespeare’ portrayal of him, as they still do with vigour.
When the makers of Darkest Hour wanted to massage Churchill’s outdated views on race by having him chat about poetry to a black man on the London Tube, we all just laughed.
The rich and famous can, mostly, handle their own reputations, though goodness knows what demons Hollywood has in store for Donald Trump.
But I am worried for truth, especially the truth about the present day. When we are given a version that is biased rubbish – to make a profit or push a political creed – we must be on guard. Is the death of Diana now to feed every conspiracy theorist?
I am sure the Moscow hackers who savaged Hillary Clinton and the Chinese ones who invent crimes by Hong Kong dissidents would happily go along with Morgan, sustaining inaccuracy as justified in the cause of a higher truth. It is the motto of fake news.
Social media has made a step-change in public attitudes to the outside world. If it is on my screen it must be true.
Right-wing conspiracy theorists, Left-wing saboteurs, anti-vaxxers, trolls, offence-spotters and woke invigilators are enjoying an open season, set free to besiege truth from all sides.
They need fear no editorial pencil. At the click of a send button, the proverbial lie is round the world in seconds before truth can get its boots on.
Painfully slowly, social media is at last coming under regulatory gaze. Platforms will soon face a clear editorial duty to police the material they brazenly publish – as newspapers and publishers have long had to do.
Heaven forbid if this leads to a return to state censorship. But truth must have protection if the public realm is not to be swamped with lies.
In the case of The Crown, Culture Secretary Oliver Dowden wants Netflix to precede each episode with a warning that ‘some scenes are fictional’. Why not, if they can warn about bulimia? But which scenes would it mean?
Why not just tell the truth?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9021889/SIMON-JENKINS-Crowns-creator-loathes-Royal-Family-hes-playing-fire.html
Marsh.
14-01-2021, 07:19 AM
Don't see the relevance that article has to this thread. Would've been better in one about The Crown.
Anyone who watches any dramatisation of historical events and is expecting a history lesson based only in fact is foolish.
GoldHeart
14-01-2021, 11:11 AM
The hashtag 'Bekind' didn't last long, oh wait i forgot it doesn't apply to the ' Devil 'woman Meghan .
rusticgal
14-01-2021, 01:16 PM
The hashtag 'Bekind' didn't last long, oh wait i forgot it doesn't apply to the ' Devil 'woman Meghan .
If you are going down the hashtag 'bekind' route everytime someone posts a negative comment about Meghan...you will need to balance it out and quote it to everyone who has a negative opinion on anyone.
rusticgal
14-01-2021, 01:16 PM
Interesting read Jet...thank you.
Tom4784
14-01-2021, 01:26 PM
If you are going down the hashtag 'bekind' route everytime someone posts a negative comment about Meghan...you will need to balance it out and quote it to everyone who has a negative opinion on anyone.
There's a difference between having a negative opinion about someone and the hatred that Meghan gets.
It's not normal.
LukeB
14-01-2021, 01:31 PM
There's a difference between having a negative opinion about someone and the hatred that Meghan gets.
It's not normal.
Yeah it’s not normal to criticise someone for saying “my husband and I”
It’s not normal to criticise people making money from deals
It’s not normal to pretend you know their marriage...
It’s not normal to criticise Harry for speaking about his mother... as someone who has lost a parent, talking about it helped me and I guess Harry talking about it is his way of dealing with that.
arista
14-01-2021, 01:32 PM
There's a difference between having a negative opinion about someone and the hatred that Meghan gets.
It's not normal.
But the Worse moment
was Harry caught on a Microphone
asking the Disney CEO
to give his wife a job.
LukeB
14-01-2021, 01:33 PM
But the Worse moment
was Harry caught on a Microphone
asking the Disney CEO
to give his wife a job.
Many people do that :shrug:(ask to give someone a job that is)
GoldHeart
14-01-2021, 01:34 PM
If you are going down the hashtag 'bekind' route everytime someone posts a negative comment about Meghan...you will need to balance it out and quote it to everyone who has a negative opinion on anyone.
Rusti I've been around a long time , and I've seen all sorts of comments that I don't always agree with .
And it's blatingly obvious when people get unfairly treated , JK Rowling being another one . Who's now painted as some 'evil witch ' .
This cancel culture has gone too far IMO . And should be saved for people who have actually done and said horrible things like Trump & Hopkins just to name a few .
rusticgal
14-01-2021, 01:48 PM
Rusti I've been around a long time , and I've seen all sorts of comments that I don't always agree with .
And it's blatingly obvious when people get unfairly treated , JK Rowling being another one . Who's now painted as some 'evil witch ' .
This cancel culture has gone too far IMO . And should be saved for people who have actually done and said horrible things like Trump & Hopkins just to name a few .
Meghan does not get 'hatred' on here though. Certainly people dislike her, including me. As soon as anyone speaks negetively about Meghan and Harry they get accused of being 'unkind' and 'spewing hatred'. Its pathetic.
GoldHeart
14-01-2021, 01:56 PM
Meghan does not get 'hatred' on here though. Certainly people dislike her, including me. As soon as anyone speaks negetively about Meghan and Harry they get accused of being 'unkind' and 'spewing hatred'. Its pathetic.
You can dislike who you like , we all can . But it seems Meghan can't cough without it being a problem .
Meghan does not get 'hatred' on here though. Certainly people dislike her, including me. As soon as anyone speaks negetively about Meghan and Harry they get accused of being 'unkind' and 'spewing hatred'. Its pathetic.
It is. I think people must be reading other sites or comment sections in the tabloids, get angry, and then come here and take it out on posters who dislike her for their own valid reasons calling us haters and obsessives. I've even been called a racist and misogynist. It's ridiculous.
I think too that some people who ‘defend’ Meghan really couldn’t care less about her but are using her to further their own ideas about how racist the uk is and their anger against white privilege and elitists.....it is rare for anyone to bother to say WHY they like her and why they disagree with those who don't.
user104658
14-01-2021, 03:35 PM
It is. I think people must be reading other sites or comment sections in the tabloids, get angry, and then come here and take it out on posters who dislike her for their own valid reasons calling us haters and obsessives. I've even been called a racist and misogynist. It's ridiculous.
I think too that some people who ‘defend’ Meghan really couldn’t care less about her but are using her to further their own ideas about how racist the uk is and their anger against white privilege and elitists.....it is rare for anyone to bother to say WHY they like her and why they disagree with those who don't.
One does not have to "like" Megan Markle or, really, know anything about her at all to see that the obsessive dislike she gets from certain groups and individuals is massively unreasonable and disproportionate.
One does not have to "like" Megan Markle or, really, know anything about her at all to see that the obsessive dislike she gets from certain groups and individuals is massively unreasonable and disproportionate.
it's only massively unreasonable and disproportionate to those that want to take issue with the comments. Coming from a place of not giving a toss what Meghan and Harry do, i find it par for the course. So many public figures have their lives dissected on here good and bad
rusticgal
14-01-2021, 03:46 PM
it's only massively unreasonable and disproportionate to those that want to take issue with the comments. Coming from a place of not giving a toss what Meghan and Harry do, i find it par for the course. So many public figures have their lives dissected on here good and bad
You have hit the nail on the head...
GoldHeart
14-01-2021, 05:00 PM
One does not have to "like" Megan Markle or, really, know anything about her at all to see that the obsessive dislike she gets from certain groups and individuals is massively unreasonable and disproportionate.
Exactly
And it seems Harry & Meghan quitting social media is an issue for people. So once again it confirms it all .
rusticgal
14-01-2021, 05:16 PM
Exactly
And it seems Harry & Meghan quitting social media is an issue for people. So once again it confirms it all .
Its not an issue...its a topic of debate. Simples.
Exactly
And it seems Harry & Meghan quitting social media is an issue for people. So once again it confirms it all .
I don't think it makes any difference, the most recent social media activity from them was on Instagram in March 2020. :hee:
No need to announce anything really.
LukeB
14-01-2021, 05:26 PM
I don't think it makes any difference, the most recent social media activity from them was on Instagram in March 2020. :hee:
No need to announce anything really.
But they didn’t someone else did :hee:
But they didn’t someone else did :hee:
Who was this someone else? A mind reader? :hehe:
Maybe you don't realize that H&M (and other celebs) leak info via their PR to the press all the time. People talking about them keeps them relevant.
it's only massively unreasonable and disproportionate to those that want to take issue with the comments. Coming from a place of not giving a toss what Meghan and Harry do, i find it par for the course. So many public figures have their lives dissected on here good and bad
Spot on!
Nicky91
14-01-2021, 06:04 PM
Who was this someone else? A mind reader? :hehe:
Maybe you don't realize that H&M (and other celebs) leak info via their PR to the press all the time. People talking about them keeps them relevant.
yes, good or bad press, it is still a way to stay relevant
i mean this is why the kardashians want to remain in the media too for example :laugh:
rusticgal
14-01-2021, 06:07 PM
People talking about them keeps them relevant.
...and people call us Haters :joker:
...and people call us Haters :joker:
I know. :rolleyes: Some people are so ungrateful. :laugh:
Marsh.
14-01-2021, 07:24 PM
One does not have to "like" Megan Markle or, really, know anything about her at all to see that the obsessive dislike she gets from certain groups and individuals is massively unreasonable and disproportionate.
The fact this dose of common sense gets overlooked in every single thread.
I guess some people are incapable of rational thought.
Tom4784
14-01-2021, 07:30 PM
One does not have to "like" Megan Markle or, really, know anything about her at all to see that the obsessive dislike she gets from certain groups and individuals is massively unreasonable and disproportionate.
Exactly, and in the post you quoted, we see a clear case of projection, that people who look at the hatred this woman is getting with disgust are somehow obsessed fans that are 'just as bad' as her haters.
I couldn't care less about Meghan, but I do find the hatred of her to be tinged with mysogyny, xenophobia and racism and I oppose that.
Exactly, and in the post you quoted, we see a clear case of projection, that people who look at the hatred this woman is getting with disgust are somehow obsessed fans that are 'just as bad' as her haters.
I couldn't care less about Meghan, but I do find the hatred of her to be tinged with mysogyny, xenophobia and racism and I oppose that.
Could you give us some examples that back up your 'findings'?
They are both so yesterday...she must be fuming about auntie corona effecting her karma...he must be slurping whatever soup she demands he sips like a little man baby.
It suits the woke to politicize and make a martyr of Meghan and they use her relentlessly to further their agendas.
They can't, or won't, see that it is Meghan's own overriding self interest, actions, choices and motivations that have led to her going from a welcomed and praised bride to a figure of disappointment and dislike for the majority - not the colour of her skin or where she hails from.
Marsh.
15-01-2021, 12:50 AM
I don't think it makes any difference, the most recent social media activity from them was on Instagram in March 2020. :hee:
What happened to them rushing away in fear? :rolleyes:
What a coincidence. Half sis Samantha Markles book 'Diary of Princess Pushy's Sister' is being published on Friday in USA.
Shut down our social media quickly!!! I smell fear. :think:
What happened to them rushing away in fear? :rolleyes:
I didn't know then that that was their last activity as I have never looked at their social media stuff, I found out later. :wavey:
Tom4784
15-01-2021, 03:18 AM
Could you give us some examples that back up your 'findings'?
When you can't resist the urge to write posts like this one below, you prove it for me. Also you only have to google how differently Meghan and Kate are reported for doing the same things to see bigotry in action. There's quite a history of it.
It suits the woke to politicize and make a martyr of Meghan and they use her relentlessly to further their agendas.
They can't, or won't, see that it is Meghan's own overriding self interest, actions, choices and motivations that have led to her going from a welcomed and praised bride to a figure of disappointment and dislike for the majority - not the colour of her skin or where she hails from.
Most people on this website do not give a **** about royals, they truly don't, I don't, but they find the level of hatred dished out at Meghan distasteful, it's gross in fact. It's truly naïve and quite deluded to think that the hatred towards her isn't at all motivated by bigotry. It's quite bizarre that you're so determined to prove the hatred to be 'just' or 'right' that you have to shoot down any and all accusations of racism, that you try to speak for everyone although you never could. Some people will hate her because of her race, some people will hate her because she isn't british, some people will hate her because she's a woman. These are facts. You just have to accept that rather than defend it by doing the whole 'woke' bull**** that conservatives around the world keep spouting.
You also keep projecting, all this speculation in the post above suggests people care about this as much as you do, and they don't. They, like me, I assume, don't enjoy watching someone get dogpiled by the media and harassed for existing. She isn't a world leader, she isn't a politician. She's just someone who got married. The level of hate towards her is genuinely concerning. People, like you have in this thread, are making up narratives to try to justify their hate and it's bizarre. An example of this is making out that Meghan is 'running scared' or that she leaked that she's leaving social media for clout. Both claims are baseless but you'll believe it just because you want an excuse to keep hating on this woman whether it's valid or not.
I just don't understand how you have the energy to devote so much time to hatred. I just don't.
thesheriff443
15-01-2021, 07:09 AM
When you can't resist the urge to write posts like this one below, you prove it for me. Also you only have to google how differently Meghan and Kate are reported for doing the same things to see bigotry in action. There's quite a history of it.
Most people on this website do not give a **** about royals, they truly don't, I don't, but they find the level of hatred dished out at Meghan distasteful, it's gross in fact. It's truly naïve and quite deluded to think that the hatred towards her isn't at all motivated by bigotry. It's quite bizarre that you're so determined to prove the hatred to be 'just' or 'right' that you have to shoot down any and all accusations of racism, that you try to speak for everyone although you never could. Some people will hate her because of her race, some people will hate her because she isn't british, some people will hate her because she's a woman. These are facts. You just have to accept that rather than defend it by doing the whole 'woke' bull**** that conservatives around the world keep spouting.
You also keep projecting, all this speculation in the post above suggests people care about this as much as you do, and they don't. They, like me, I assume, don't enjoy watching someone get dogpiled by the media and harassed for existing. She isn't a world leader, she isn't a politician. She's just someone who got married. The level of hate towards her is genuinely concerning. People, like you have in this thread, are making up narratives to try to justify their hate and it's bizarre. An example of this is making out that Meghan is 'running scared' or that she leaked that she's leaving social media for clout. Both claims are baseless but you'll believe it just because you want an excuse to keep hating on this woman whether it's valid or not.
I just don't understand how you have the energy to devote so much time to hatred. I just don't.
Look dezzy you been throwing the word hatred and obsession at jet from the the beginning to try and shut him down
If he is obsessed than you must be obsessed too because every time there is a Meghan thread and jet posts there you are!!
You don’t actually care about Meghan only what people are saying about her, I’m afraid you are going to have to accept that some people don’t like her and it has nothing to do with her skin colour.
Every time these two are in the news it’s because they are playing the victim card or claiming to be the world’s answer to ending racism or setting up a charity that will end poverty
Life is hard enough without arguing over strangers about things we have no control over.
When you can't resist the urge to write posts like this one below, you prove it for me. Also you only have to google how differently Meghan and Kate are reported for doing the same things to see bigotry in action. There's quite a history of it.
Most people on this website do not give a **** about royals, they truly don't, I don't, but they find the level of hatred dished out at Meghan distasteful, it's gross in fact. It's truly naïve and quite deluded to think that the hatred towards her isn't at all motivated by bigotry. It's quite bizarre that you're so determined to prove the hatred to be 'just' or 'right' that you have to shoot down any and all accusations of racism, that you try to speak for everyone although you never could. Some people will hate her because of her race, some people will hate her because she isn't british, some people will hate her because she's a woman. These are facts. You just have to accept that rather than defend it by doing the whole 'woke' bull**** that conservatives around the world keep spouting.
You also keep projecting, all this speculation in the post above suggests people care about this as much as you do, and they don't. They, like me, I assume, don't enjoy watching someone get dogpiled by the media and harassed for existing. She isn't a world leader, she isn't a politician. She's just someone who got married. The level of hate towards her is genuinely concerning. People, like you have in this thread, are making up narratives to try to justify their hate and it's bizarre. An example of this is making out that Meghan is 'running scared' or that she leaked that she's leaving social media for clout. Both claims are baseless but you'll believe it just because you want an excuse to keep hating on this woman whether it's valid or not.
I just don't understand how you have the energy to devote so much time to hatred. I just don't.
That’s quite a tirade for someone who doesn’t care. There hasn’t been anything negative regarding Meghan in newspaper headlines for quite a long time, just news snippets, where are you getting all this hate for her from unless you pore over tabloid comments or something which I never read. Step away…
Nobody has said that ‘none’ of the dislike for Meghan isn’t motivated by bigotry, there will always be some bigots around in all nations of the world, but to make out that it was widespread or the main reason why she left the UK, which many do, is utter virtue signalling BS. People that do that are using her.
Comparing Royal women for doing the same things is nothing new whatsoever. Back in the day, the press were far more vicious towards them than they are now. NO comparison, you have NO idea! Same with the paparazzi - they would relentlessly pester them in their private time. All that stopped after Diana died. Meghan has had it easy in those respects, but then she has social media outlets instead to contend with (though she insists she never reads them.) I dread to think what the likes of Diana and Fergie would have had to endure if it had been around when they were young Royals.
I can't be responsible for what hate you are reading about elsewhere. I, as an individual, am entitled to be interested in who I want and draw my own conclusions from my own knowledge and observations.
This is just a little forum Dezzy, for many just somewhere to while away a spare few hours now and then. If you get too caught up in it, you can take it far too seriously. People are going to have opinions and different perspectives than you depending on their own life experiences, throwing the words ‘hater’s and ‘obsessives’ and ‘bizarre’ and ‘weird’ around every 10 mins isn’t going to make them run away, be intimidated by you, or change their minds. You need to calm down and be more flexible.
rusticgal
15-01-2021, 11:59 AM
Look dezzy you been throwing the word hatred and obsession at jet from the the beginning to try and shut him down
If he is obsessed than you must be obsessed too because every time there is a Meghan thread and jet posts there you are!!
You don’t actually care about Meghan only what people are saying about her, I’m afraid you are going to have to accept that some people don’t like her and it has nothing to do with her skin colour.
Every time these two are in the news it’s because they are playing the victim card or claiming to be the world’s answer to ending racism or setting up a charity that will end poverty
Life is hard enough without arguing over strangers about things we have no control over.
Well said Sheriff. Considering this forum are not 'interested' in the subject matter...threads on Harry and Meghan never fail to produce 7 pages or more.
Niamh.
15-01-2021, 12:05 PM
It suits the woke to politicize and make a martyr of Meghan and they use her relentlessly to further their agendas.
They can't, or won't, see that it is Meghan's own overriding self interest, actions, choices and motivations that have led to her going from a welcomed and praised bride to a figure of disappointment and dislike for the majority - not the colour of her skin or where she hails from.
Not everyone who doesn't hate Meghan is "woke" ..............I'm certainly not :laugh:
rusticgal
15-01-2021, 12:31 PM
Some people will hate her because of her race, some people will hate her because she isn't british, some people will hate her because she's a woman. These are facts.
.........and most people dislike her for what she says and does. Every debate on them on this forum is about what they have said or done...However that never equates with you...its always down to the colour of their skin etc. Your use of the word 'Hatred' and 'Obsession' when it comes to a subject matter that some enjoy discussing is pathetic...and you are not the only one.
People enjoy a discussion forum because they enjoy a debate...people enjoy discussing people they dislike as much as they do people they like...just like we do with BB.
Not everyone who doesn't hate Meghan is "woke" ..............I'm certainly not :laugh:
No, just people who use her to drum home their own political and virtue signalling stances while not caring one whit about her personally.
Your posts show none of that, so you don't fall into that category obviously.
...neither am I ‘woke’ just seems to be a terms that’s taken over from ‘PC brigade’ to be used in a derogatory way...the same thing under a different name, so far as I can see...most people I think do care that Meghan is subjected to a negative criticism, which seems quite out of proportion ...and in a way that isn’t even equalled in the criticisms of Harry...which is sadly often the way with females, that they’re often held up to standards ...no male Royals for instance have been held in similar veins and standards as their chosen partners have...
AnnieK
15-01-2021, 01:12 PM
Not everyone who doesn't hate Meghan is "woke" ..............I'm certainly not :laugh:
Indeed.
I have no strong feelings about her other than she is a wife and mother of a young child who does seem to be overtly criticised for just trying to live her life the way she wants. Yes, this is a forum to discuss celebs but she is by far the most discussed other than politicians at the moment. We haven't had someone discussed to this extent since Omahs Katie Price thread :laugh:
...she was apparently one of the most trolled celebrities of 2019, so it would seem fair to feel that she does receive a lot of negativity ...
People, like you have in this thread, are making up narratives to try to justify their hate and it's bizarre. An example of this is making out that Meghan is 'running scared' or that she leaked that she's leaving social media for clout. Both claims are baseless
They really aren’t. Seasoned and highly respected royal watchers and commentators like Ingrid Seward and Hugo Vickers, for example, have (not unkindly, but you know…)....revealed that Meghan is a devious player, who has been leaking and dropping items via her PR all along and doing little things that go against the general public’s grain to create controversy and speculation which feeds her craving for attention and her stance as a professional victim.
Just before she met Harry, she told People magazine that she wanted to ‘break the internet’. It’s biting her in the ass now.
The Slim Reaper
15-01-2021, 01:20 PM
If using serf as a description is banned on Tibb then so should woke as it's used in exactly he same descriptive way.
...she was apparently one of the most trolled celebrities of 2019, so it would seem fair to feel that she does receive a lot of negativity ...
It was Meghan herself who kept pointing out that she was 'the most trolled person of 2019'.
She wasn't. Adele was 1st, Gemma Collins was 2nd, Meghan was third.
GoldHeart
15-01-2021, 01:35 PM
It was Meghan herself who kept pointing out that she was 'the most trolled person of 2019'.
She wasn't. Adele was 1st, Gemma Collins was 2nd, Meghan was third.
Why is there more obsession with Meghan, and why does it concern people if she wants to quit social media? , Loads of people in the public eye stop using social media .
I don't think people will be satisfied unless both her and Harry hit rock bottom ,and even then they'd still get grief as the couple wanting a 'pity party' or something. But anyway hashtag ' bekind ' :whistle:
It was Meghan herself who kept pointing out that she was 'the most trolled person of 2019'.
She wasn't. Adele was 1st, Gemma Collins was 2nd, Meghan was third.
...(...I believe that it was pointed out to her that she was but I won’t say that for sure...)...I do though, recall seeing her in an interview saying ‘apparently I was....etc, etc...’...so she did use the word apparently and didn’t declare it as a statement, as it were...I did say ‘one’ of the trolled people...3rd place would fit that, I would say...
Tom4784
15-01-2021, 02:36 PM
Look dezzy you been throwing the word hatred and obsession at jet from the the beginning to try and shut him down
If he is obsessed than you must be obsessed too because every time there is a Meghan thread and jet posts there you are!!
You don’t actually care about Meghan only what people are saying about her, I’m afraid you are going to have to accept that some people don’t like her and it has nothing to do with her skin colour.
Every time these two are in the news it’s because they are playing the victim card or claiming to be the world’s answer to ending racism or setting up a charity that will end poverty
Life is hard enough without arguing over strangers about things we have no control over.
Offering my opinion is not shutting someone down, by making out that my views are nothing more than an attempt to shut someone down, you're pretty much trying to shut ME down by saying my opinion isn't an opinion.
Obsessive hatred bothers me, it destroys people, we've seen it time and time again. Also to make out that none of the hatred has to do with her skin colour is just naive and factually wrong. There are people who will hate her for her race, you cannot deny that.
As for them 'playing the victim', if you cannot see the noticeable difference between how the media treats Meghan and Kate, for example, then you are being wilfully ignorant on the issue. You only have to google it to see a vast history of comparisons on the issue.
As for the your last line, this is a discussion, if you don't like it, don't take part and leave everyone else to it.
Tom4784
15-01-2021, 02:40 PM
Well said Sheriff. Considering this forum are not 'interested' in the subject matter...threads on Harry and Meghan never fail to produce 7 pages or more.
It's quite simple really, most of us don't care about royals either way, but most of us are decent people that find the treatment of these two celebrities quite disgusting and we're entitled to say so, just like you're entitled to engage in the hatred.
It's a simple concept, a child could grasp it.
Tom4784
15-01-2021, 02:42 PM
They really aren’t. Seasoned and highly respected royal watchers and commentators like Ingrid Seward and Hugo Vickers, for example, have (not unkindly, but you know…)....revealed that Meghan is a devious player, who has been leaking and dropping items via her PR all along and doing little things that go against the general public’s grain to create controversy and speculation which feeds her craving for attention and her stance as a professional victim.
Just before she met Harry, she told People magazine that she wanted to ‘break the internet’. It’s biting her in the ass now.
So you're considering gossip to be factual just based on your own personal bias, k.
The Slim Reaper
15-01-2021, 02:46 PM
Jet - just out of interest, which of the royals is your fave or do you respect the most?
Jet - just out of interest, which of the royals is your fave or do you respect the most?
The Queen.
So you're considering gossip to be factual just based on your own personal bias, k.
Respected people like Ingrid Seward, author of the prestigious Majesty magazine and Royal historian Hugo Vickers are gossips because you don't like what they know about Meghan and which they have tried to put across as kindly as they could manage? Okay.
So when you say things are baseless which I may think, I'm pointing out they may not be, because Meghan has form.
AnnieK
15-01-2021, 03:28 PM
Respected people like Ingrid Seward, author of the prestigious Majesty magazine and Royal historian Hugo Vickers are gossips because you don't like what they know about Meghan and which they have tried to put across as kindly as they could manage? Okay.
So when you say things are baseless which I may think, I'm pointing out they may not be, because Meghan has form.
Are those.people you have quoted Royalists Jet? I have not heard of either so its a genuine question. A lot of people may be biased due to the fact that they love the Monarchy and believe Meghan has caused a split.
Are those.people you have quoted Royalists Jet? I have not heard of either so its a genuine question. A lot of people may be biased due to the fact that they love the Monarchy and believe Meghan has caused a split.
I don't know about 'love' - its their jobs. They are long time Royal commentators and authors who have praised when praise is due and criticized when it is not. They are never sycophantic nor deliberately unkind. Other good commentators are Penny Junor and Jenny Bond.
No point in listening to non - credible sources.
Marsh.
15-01-2021, 03:52 PM
I didn't know
That's fairly self explanatory.
Marsh.
15-01-2021, 03:54 PM
We haven't had someone discussed to this extent since Omahs Katie Price thread :laugh:
:joker:
AnnieK
15-01-2021, 03:54 PM
They are long time Royal commentators and authors who have praised when praise is due and criticized when it is not. They are never sycophantic nor deliberately unkind. Other good commentators are Penny Junor and Jenny Bond.
No point in listening to non - credible sources.
Thanks for responding. I've only really heard of Jenny Bond.
Were they around when Diana died? Just wondering if they criticised the Queen for her reaction then? I think the way she handled that has a lot to do with people moving away their support of the monarchy and the Queen as a whole.
Thanks for responding. I've only really heard of Jenny Bond.
Were they around when Diana died? Just wondering if they criticised the Queen for her reaction then? I think the way she handled that has a lot to do with people moving away their support of the monarchy and the Queen as a whole.
all the media was very critical of the queen when diana died. It's certainly what made me look at her in a new light
Marsh.
15-01-2021, 03:57 PM
It was Meghan herself who kept pointing out that she was 'the most trolled person of 2019'.
She wasn't. Adele was 1st, Gemma Collins was 2nd, Meghan was third.
She was told that.
Niamh.
15-01-2021, 04:00 PM
She was told that.
and tbf 1st -3rd isn't that much of an exaggeration anyway
Thanks for responding. I've only really heard of Jenny Bond.
Were they around when Diana died? Just wondering if they criticised the Queen for her reaction then? I think the way she handled that has a lot to do with people moving away their support of the monarchy and the Queen as a whole.
They certainly did - as did I! Went right off the Queen for a while.
I think the Royals learned a lot from that episode though and the Queen became 'softer' afterwards. Polls these days have either her or William at the top or 2nd every time in popularity.
She was told that.
So she was told it initially, that's fine, but in the interview I seen she just said that 'she was the most trolled'.
Does it matter :shrug:
and tbf 1st -3rd isn't that much of an exaggeration anyway
But Meghan wanted to be FIRST! :fist: :hehe:
Tom4784
15-01-2021, 04:13 PM
Respected people like Ingrid Seward, author of the prestigious Majesty magazine and Royal historian Hugo Vickers are gossips because you don't like what they know about Meghan and which they have tried to put across as kindly as they could manage? Okay.
So when you say things are baseless which I may think, I'm pointing out they may not be, because Meghan has form.
Gossip is gossip, continuing to project things onto me and make me out to be a mirror image of you is not an argument, it is desperation.
The truth is, if these people made out that Meghan was lovely, you would discount them immediately because you are looking to have your hatred validated by any source that appeals to the narrative you want to present. I wouldn't care either way, since my problem with the Meghan coverage has less to do with her and more to do with the fact that it's motivated by bigotry.
Niamh.
15-01-2021, 04:15 PM
But Meghan wanted to be FIRST! :fist: :hehe:
Yes, being the most bullied is marvelous I'm sure
Tom4784
15-01-2021, 04:16 PM
So she was told it initially, that's fine, but in the interview I seen she just said that 'she was the most trolled'.
Does it matter :shrug:
But Meghan wanted to be FIRST! :fist: :hehe:
This is what I'm talking about.
Meghan was told she was one of of the most trolled people on the internet and you make out that she's angry she wasn't first based on nothing but your own hatred and bias. You're making **** up and presenting it as a valid reason to hate her and you can't see what's wrong with that, why you are part of the problem.
This is what I'm talking about.
Meghan was told she was one of of the most trolled people on the internet and you make out that she's angry she wasn't first based on nothing but your own hatred and bias. You're making **** up and presenting it as a valid reason to hate her and you can't see what's wrong with that, why you are part of the problem.
Its not my problem if you have no sense of humour.
Tom4784
15-01-2021, 04:21 PM
Its not my problem if you have no sense of humour.
I have an excellent sense of humour, which is why I don't laugh at **** jokes which aren't even jokes but you're retroactively trying to make out that they are to save face.
...it’s reported that Meghan was told that she was the most trolled etc, it’s not something she wanted to be...and also as she stated, she was ‘on maternity leave’ for 8 months of 2019 and not so publicly visible...so effectively, 3rd most trolled person in the world with only 4 months in public of her Royal duties fully taking place...
I have an excellent sense of humour, which is why I don't laugh at **** jokes which aren't even jokes but you're retroactively trying to make out that they are to save face.
It was a joke, but as you are biased against me, you refuse to see that.
Marsh.
15-01-2021, 04:25 PM
and tbf 1st -3rd isn't that much of an exaggeration anyway
True.
Marsh.
15-01-2021, 04:27 PM
you're retroactively trying to make out that they are to save face.
Spot on.
Tom4784
15-01-2021, 04:27 PM
It was a joke, but as you are biased against me, you refuse to see that.
Again, repeating what I said while not understanding the context is not a response, it is childishness.
Yes, being the most bullied is marvelous I'm sure
Being bullied in one to one direct online conversation isn't that marvelous either.
Marsh.
15-01-2021, 04:29 PM
Victimising yourself when people are simply responding to the words you are putting out there doesn't wash.
rusticgal
15-01-2021, 04:32 PM
It's quite simple really, most of us don't care about royals either way, but most of us are decent people that find the treatment of these two celebrities quite disgusting and we're entitled to say so, just like you're entitled to engage in the hatred.
It's a simple concept, a child could grasp it.
'Engage in Hatred'....:pat:...
Get a grip...
Niamh.
15-01-2021, 04:33 PM
Closed - Think this thread has run it's course now
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