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Marcus Rashford has criticised free school meal packages being sent to some children and families learning from home.
The parcels, which have been sent to children who would normally qualify for free school meals and are now learning remotely during the national lockdown, have been criticised online by parents.
One tweet showed a package, supposedly containing £30 worth of food to last for 10 days, comprising just a loaf of bread, some cheese, a tin of beans, two carrots, two bananas, three apples, two potatoes, a bag of pasta, three Frubes, two Soreen bars and a tomato.
In response to another post, the Manchester United striker and anti-poverty campaigner tweeted: “3 days of food for 1 family … Just not good enough”. In a later tweet, he added: “Then imagine we expect the children to engage in learning from home. Not to mention the parents who, at times, have to teach them who probably haven’t eaten at all so their children can ... We MUST do better. This is 2021.”
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In response, the Department for Education tweeted: “We have clear guidelines and standards for food parcels, which we expect to be followed.” The children’s minister, Vicky Ford, said she would be “urgently” look into the matter.
Chartwells, the company which she said provided the parcel meant to last for 10 days, said it would investigate. It said: “Thank you for bringing this to our attention, this does not reflect the specification of one of our hampers.”
Keir Starmer described the situation as “a disgrace”. The Labour leader tweeted: “The images appearing online of woefully inadequate free school meal parcels are a disgrace. Where is the money going? This needs sorting immediately so families don’t go hungry through lockdown.”
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https://www.theguardian.com/education/2021/jan/12/not-good-enough-marcus-rashford-condemns-free-school-meal-packages
UserSince2005
12-01-2021, 10:58 AM
If this man gave 10% of his salary instead of moaning for the people of £30k to pay for it then it wouldn’t be a problem
Niamh.
12-01-2021, 11:01 AM
Food must be very expensive over there if that's £30 worth of food. Why not give supermarket vouchers for for food instead? Surely that would save a lot of work for whatever department have to put all that together and deliver it
Niamh.
12-01-2021, 11:02 AM
If this man gave 10% of his salary instead of moaning for the people of £30k to pay for it then it wouldn’t be a problem
Surely he's already giving a large percentage of his salary in Tax?
Oliver_W
12-01-2021, 11:05 AM
I'm not particularly thrifty but I could make £30 go a lot further than that...
AnnieK
12-01-2021, 11:06 AM
Surely he's already giving a large percentage of his salary in Tax?
He does a lot for the cause. This needs a long term solution from the government, not one footballer throwing money at it. Child poverty in this country should be an embarrassment for the Government and long term solutions should be found to help these families. We should not expect one footballer to fix it. Marcus has lived on one of the most deprived estates in Manchester and is trying to ensure that other children get a better solution.
Black Dagger
12-01-2021, 11:10 AM
If this man gave 10% of his salary instead of moaning for the people of £30k to pay for it then it wouldn’t be a problem
No. The government should be held totally accountable. Ta.
Niamh.
12-01-2021, 11:11 AM
He does a lot for the cause. This needs a long term solution from the government, not one footballer throwing money at it. Child poverty in this country should be an embarrassment for the Government and long term solutions should be found to help these families. We should not expect one footballer to fix it. Marcus has lived on one of the most deprived estates in Manchester and is trying to ensure that other children get a better solution.
Yeah, it's a shame people can't appreciate his efforts instead of putting him down because he earns a lot of money now and I just googled what premier league footballers pay in Tax and it's 45% so I think he already contributes enough to be able to have a say in how it's spent
...(...I don’t know but I presume...)...this ‘£30’ of food is being provided by a school contracted catering company and that they’re who are profiting from the food parcels...if that’s so then they do really need to be named and shamed...
AnnieK
12-01-2021, 11:14 AM
Yeah, it's a shame people can't appreciate his efforts instead of putting him down because he earns a lot of money now and I just googled what premier league footballers pay in Tax and it's 45% so I think he already contributes enough to be able to have a say in how it's spent
His charity also raised £20million for Fairshare foodbanks. Its not like he's not done anything.
...some school directly give vouchers, I believe...so the families can economically shop themselves...
Niamh.
12-01-2021, 11:16 AM
His charity also raised £20million for Fairshare foodbanks. Its not like he's not done anything.
Good on him :clap1:
Cherie
12-01-2021, 11:16 AM
That looks like about 5.00 worth of food, how many children is this for and for how long?
Bag of pasta 80p
Loaf of Bread 90p
two baked potatoes 40p
2 carrots 10p
Cheese slices 1.00
Tomato 10p
Tin of beans 50p
soreen 50p
frubes ..no idea but maybe 50p
Niamh.
12-01-2021, 11:16 AM
...some school directly give vouchers, I believe...so the families can economically shop themselves...
I mean that would make the most sense really
That looks like about 5.00 worth of food, how many children is this for and for how long?
Bag of pasta 80p
Loaf of Bread 90p
two baked potatoes 40p
2 carrots 10p
Cheese slices 1.00
Tomato 10p
Tin of beans 50p
soreen 50p
frubes ..no idea but maybe 50p
...yeah, that’s what has been said...around 5.22, I think...I presume that’s been provided by a school catering company and that’s their profit...
Cherie
12-01-2021, 11:19 AM
...yeah, that’s what has been said...around 5.22, I think...I presume that’s been provided by a school catering company and that’s their profit...
get me, savvy shopper :laugh:
I mean that would make the most sense really
...there was also an element of disapproval for that method with ‘the spending control’ being given to the parents...
Jake.
12-01-2021, 11:21 AM
They’ve spent a fiver and pocketed the rest
get me, savvy shopper :laugh:
...yeah, but that’s what we’ve had at schools for such a long time and why the Jamie Oliver thing didn’t work for so many either...because so many schools were tied into catering contracts and the cost per child was crazy...but local produce wasn't allowed to be used...
They’ve spent a fiver and pocketed the rest
...yeah basically, into the profit pocket...
Niamh.
12-01-2021, 11:24 AM
...there was also an element of disapproval for that method with ‘the spending control’ being given to the parents...
Why? They're the ones preparing the food
AnnieK
12-01-2021, 11:31 AM
You'll get the "they'll spend it on fags and booze" brigade out of they gave vouchers out (even though the vast majority wouldn't). There needs to be a better solution for the families in need so they receive the money they are entitled to from the government so no child goes hungry
Why? They're the ones preparing the food
...(...I don’t know if it’s the reasoning, I’m just speculating with my own thoughts...)...but there was so much negativity when it was suggested, that it might not be spent on food but on ‘alcohol and fags etc...’...(...I’m pretty sure that a food voucher would have to be spent on food, so that’s silly but you know these ‘outcries’...so anyway, just to ensure it all goes to the children with good sustenance etc...£30 per family is given in exchange for £5 of food...that’s how cleverly thought out that was...
You'll get the "they'll spend it on fags and booze" brigade out of they gave vouchers out (even though the vast majority wouldn't). There needs to be a better solution for the families in need so they receive the money they are entitled to from the government so no child goes hungry
...or this..I’m pretty sure though that you wouldn’t be able to spend food vouchers on alcohol and cigs...like if you get a supermarket voucher for instance...?....it does stipulate, doesn’t it...?...
Oliver_W
12-01-2021, 11:33 AM
Like yeah, if the parents are going to be given money or vouchers, there should be something in place to ensure the money goes toward feeding the family, but that point can be made in a way which doesn't suggest they'd otherwise spend it on "booze and fags"
Niamh.
12-01-2021, 11:33 AM
You'll get the "they'll spend it on fags and booze" brigade out of they gave vouchers out (even though the vast majority wouldn't). There needs to be a better solution for the families in need so they receive the money they are entitled to from the government so no child goes hungry
...(...I don’t know if it’s the reasoning, I’m just speculating with my own thoughts...)...but there was so much negativity when it was suggested, that it might not be spent on food but on ‘alcohol and fags etc...’...(...I’m pretty sure that a food voucher would have to be spent on food, so that’s silly but you know these ‘outcries’...so anyway, just to ensure it all goes to the children with good sustenance etc...£30 per family is given in exchange for £5 of food...that’s how cleverly thought out that was...
Well yeah, just give a voucher that can only be used on food, it's not that complicated. Clearly their plan backfired because the private companies scammed them instead......
Well yeah, just give a voucher that can only be used on food, it's not that complicated. Clearly their plan backfired because the private companies scammed them instead......
...or, they’re very ‘selective’ with the private companies and there may be ‘personal interests’ involved, could also be a thing...this government is such a self serving one ...
Niamh.
12-01-2021, 11:43 AM
...or, they’re very ‘selective’ with the private companies and there may be ‘personal interests’ involved, could also be a thing...this government is such a self serving one ...
Which is why it's doubly insulting to imply that the parents would drink or smoke the money rather than feed their children
No. The government should be held totally accountable. Ta.
I would blame the company providing the meals.
The Slim Reaper
12-01-2021, 11:52 AM
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...I don’t actually know about donors as such but this...
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arista
12-01-2021, 11:58 AM
I'm not particularly thrifty but I could make £30 go a lot further than that...
Yes
just go to Lidl or Aldi
arista
12-01-2021, 12:00 PM
Give them 8 mini Sausages in beans tin
that would help.
https://www.britishcornershop.co.uk/img/large/SGN3950.jpg
...I can’t imagine what’s in those sausages but I doubt they would provide much sustenance for a child...
Cherie
12-01-2021, 12:06 PM
is the 30.00 allocated for one child? and just for lunch?
My son spends £30.00 a week on food for the whole week for himself :laugh:
rusticgal
12-01-2021, 12:13 PM
...or this..I’m pretty sure though that you wouldn’t be able to spend food vouchers on alcohol and cigs...like if you get a supermarket voucher for instance...?....it does stipulate, doesn’t it...?...
The savvy ones will sell the vouchers for cash...:laugh:
rusticgal
12-01-2021, 12:14 PM
Which is why it's doubly insulting to imply that the parents would drink or smoke the money rather than feed their children
Sadly...there are some that do.
Niamh.
12-01-2021, 12:19 PM
Sadly...there are some that do.
Not if they get vouchers that can only be spent on food....... Looks like these private companies approved by the government aren't better
Cherie
12-01-2021, 12:34 PM
The savvy ones will sell the vouchers for cash...:laugh:
My son and I were talking about this, when he was in secondary school he used to buy dinner tickets off one of his classmates :laugh:
Tom4784
12-01-2021, 12:41 PM
Charity highlights the failures of a government to provide, if Tory supporters are saying that Marcus should put forth his own money to take care of British children then that's them admitting that the Tories are incapable of doing so, thus admitting tory incompetence.
Niamh.
12-01-2021, 12:44 PM
The savvy ones will sell the vouchers for cash...:laugh:
It's a shame that people who are struggling have to listen to attitudes like this all the time
Tom4784
12-01-2021, 12:46 PM
It's a shame that people who are struggling have to listen to attitudes like this all the time
It's easier to look down on the less fortunate then to admit that most of us are just a few bad days away from being them.
Niamh.
12-01-2021, 12:47 PM
It's easier to look down on the less fortunate then to admit that most of us are just a few bad days away from being them.
Well especially now in these times
The Slim Reaper
12-01-2021, 01:16 PM
The assumption that poor people are desperate to starve their kids so they can buy kestrel lager and hit up crack dens is a really abhorrent lie promulgated by the rw press.
joeysteele
12-01-2021, 01:17 PM
It's easier to look down on the less fortunate then to admit that most of us are just a few bad days away from being them.
Absolutely right you are there.
I applaud Rashford's efforts and him publicly raising this.
Those parcels look woefully inadequate.really, almost even insulting.
Glad it's been exposed.
Things just seem to go from bad to worse in some issues and cases.
Cherie
12-01-2021, 01:20 PM
The assumption that poor people are desperate to starve their kids so they can buy kestrel lager and hit up crack dens is a really abhorrent lie promulgated by the rw press.
Let's not be naive here, there will be some that will exploit any system, that's not saying all will exploit it, just like these catering companies, there are many that followed the rule to the letter but that doesn't stop us from criticising those that haven't, many parents will do the same and there are sadly some that won't, burying that is not helpful to the children involved.
Niamh.
12-01-2021, 01:20 PM
The assumption that poor people are desperate to starve their kids so they can buy kestrel lager and hit up crack dens is a really abhorrent lie promulgated by the rw press.
Better we look down in case we start looking up eh?
user104658
12-01-2021, 01:24 PM
They’ve spent a fiver and pocketed the rest
Yeah taking a look at the picture, the absolute most generous total I could come up with for what's there is £7. And that would be steep.
user104658
12-01-2021, 01:27 PM
Can I just add as a little celtic brag - Scotland is still giving cold hard cash in lieu of school meals to those who qualify for free meals. No shame-vouchers, no boxes of scraps.
*that's celtic not Celtic, before LT panics and breaks out the flute.
The Slim Reaper
12-01-2021, 01:28 PM
Let's not be naive here, there will be some that will exploit any system, that's not saying all will exploit it, just like these catering companies, there are many that followed the rule to the letter but that doesn't stop us from criticising those that haven't, many parents will do the same and there are sadly some that won't, burying that is not helpful to the children involved.
It's not naivety Cherie. Of course some will do that, but plenty of wealthy people have ruined themselves and their families with addictions, too.
It's the hypothetical nature of this discussion that is the most offensive; the inference that they can't be trusted. You're talking about criticising those that haven't followed the rules, but it's all in the abstract and innuendo, not fact.
user104658
12-01-2021, 01:31 PM
Let's not be naive here, there will be some that will exploit any system, that's not saying all will exploit it, just like these catering companies, there are many that followed the rule to the letter but that doesn't stop us from criticising those that haven't, many parents will do the same and there are sadly some that won't, burying that is not helpful to the children involved.
The point isn't spending the specific meal money specifically on meals, it's easing the financial burden on already stretched families. Those who are feeding their kids properly will feed their kids properly, those who are not will continue not to, but that is a COMPLETELY separate issue.
user104658
12-01-2021, 01:34 PM
It's not naivety Cherie. Of course some will do that, but plenty of wealthy people have ruined themselves and their families with addictions, too.
It's the hypothetical nature of this discussion that is the most offensive; the inference that they can't be trusted. You're talking about criticising those that haven't followed the rules, but it's all in the abstract and innuendo, not fact.
Alcoholism is rife in the middle-and-upper classes... it's just seen as more socially acceptable to wreck your liver with Merlot than with Smirnoff.
The Slim Reaper
12-01-2021, 01:36 PM
Better we look down in case we start looking up eh?
Exactly. We are one of the most corrupt countries in the world for tax avoidance, and no one is talking about this, instead the government are reducing universal credit and other benefits. Society is really upside down, and when folks in the middle go all out to defend the folks at top rather than those in need of help, then something is seriously wrong.
Tom4784
12-01-2021, 01:42 PM
Exactly. We are one of the most corrupt countries in the world for tax avoidance, and no one is talking about this, instead the government are reducing universal credit and other benefits. Society is really upside down, and when folks in the middle go all out to defend the folks at top rather than those in need of help, then something is seriously wrong.
We're a nation easily led by media, it's why the tabloids have so much power over opinion. When you have the Daily Mail telling you to treat the poor, with disdain when every other C5 documentary is telling you how people on benefits are gaming the system, the gullible will believe it.
Plus we like to think we're better than others, we're an arrogant country so we'll value feeling superior to helping those in need, unless we can feel superior doing so.
not saying the government isn't accountable and they are doing enough because they clearly are not but playing devil's advocate for a minute here - maybe Elite footballers or elite sports stars in general maybe should be doing more in times like this (along with the government doing more) and i say that because not much has changed for them during this, they are still on the same wages, they still get to live their dream whilst the average Joe is abiding by strict laws to stay indoors (which is taking a hit on mental health) and paying more money to watch them on subscription services because they aren't allowed into grounds, you have teams who are travelling across europe to play competitions and even going for breaks in Dubai, (Qualifying for the Australian open tennis tournament is even taking place in dubai right now) and then they get to jet off to Australia and earn 6 and 7 figure sums and of course they are pampered and taken good care off, your average supermarket worker or delivery driver on the other hand not to much.
i have heard so many stories about elite footballers breaking rules in recent months and getting a slap on the wrist for it, could name countless ones in top divisions who have clearly took the luxury they have for granted tbf and i say that as a huge football fan but they take the piss
arista
12-01-2021, 01:45 PM
...I can’t imagine what’s in those sausages but I doubt they would provide much sustenance for a child...
Pork
user104658
12-01-2021, 01:46 PM
Exactly. We are one of the most corrupt countries in the world for tax avoidance, and no one is talking about this, instead the government are reducing universal credit and other benefits. Society is really upside down, and when folks in the middle go all out to defend the folks at top rather than those in need of help, then something is seriously wrong.
We just have the same issue as America really; people indoctrinated to the cult of individualistic neo-liberal capitalism. Essentially... people like to imagine that one day sometime they will be the ones earning more, and if/when it's them, they don't want to have to give too much back in taxes. It's an age-old con but a very effective one... playing on hope and optimism whilst at the same time keeping people exactly where they are.
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...I think the truth is ....that there is some valid reasoning with some families, to not give vouchers but provide the food parcels instead so that it’s a way to keep vital contact with a family...but it’s ensuring that the whole budget for the food goes to the family and that private companies aren’t profiting hugely, which it would seem they are...it’s a system that needs to be monitored but the important thing is the children and how best to provide what’s more necessary atm...
The Slim Reaper
12-01-2021, 01:51 PM
We just have the same issue as America really; people indoctrinated to the cult of individualistic neo-liberal capitalism. Essentially... people like to imagine that one day sometime they will be the ones earning more, and if/when it's them, they don't want to have to give too much back in taxes. It's an age-old con but a very effective one... playing on hope and optimism whilst at the same time keeping people exactly where they are.
I agree, but I think there is a difference between here and the US. Over there, I agree it's the "this will be me one day" syndrome tied in with american exceptionalism and the american dream. Over here, I think it's not as optimistic. I believe over here it's more about branding and aligning with the projected image of successful tories, and also geared to us being prepared to accept worse for ourselves, as long as we still have people who are worse off still. It's the brow-beating us into believing that a better society just isn't possible.
The Slim Reaper
12-01-2021, 01:53 PM
not saying the government isn't accountable and they are doing enough because they clearly are not but playing devil's advocate for a minute here - maybe Elite footballers or elite sports stars in general maybe should be doing more in times like this (along with the government doing more) and i say that because not much has changed for them during this, they are still on the same wages, they still get to live their dream whilst the average Joe is abiding by strict laws to stay indoors (which is taking a hit on mental health) and paying more money to watch them on subscription services because they aren't allowed into grounds, you have teams who are travelling across europe to play competitions and even going for breaks in Dubai, (Qualifying for the Australian open tennis tournament is even taking place in dubai right now) and then they get to jet off to Australia and earn 6 and 7 figure sums and of course they are pampered and taken good care off, your average supermarket worker or delivery driver on the other hand not to much.
i have heard so many stories about elite footballers breaking rules in recent months and getting a slap on the wrist for it, could name countless ones in top divisions who have clearly took the luxury they have for granted tbf and i say that as a huge football fan but they take the piss
We shouldn't need to make sports stars feed our kids; we need to collect taxes so that we can. Billions wasted on contracts for tory donors during this pandemic.
We shouldn't need to make sports stars feed our kids; we need to collect taxes so that we can. Billions wasted on contracts for tory donors during this pandemic.
well if they don't follow the same rules as we do then we should be making them feed the kids and making donations, a lot of them clearly abuse the privileges they have as seen by recent events and the suspension of lower leagues, and even apart from that the simple fact they are allowed to travel across the country and still do their dream job whilst others can not is morally questionable imo
they are suppose to set an example at times like this not be drinking beers on the beach in dubai or bringing girls in from across the country to shag, i think a lot of them don't realise how easy they have had it compared to most people during all this tbf
The Slim Reaper
12-01-2021, 02:10 PM
well if they don't follow the same rules as we do then we should be making them feed the kids and making donations, a lot of them clearly abuse the privileges they have as seen by recent events and the suspension of lower leagues, and even apart from that the simple fact they are allowed to travel across the country and still do their dream job whilst others can not is morally questionable imo
they are suppose to set an example at times like this not be drinking beers on the beach in dubai or bringing girls in from across the country to shag, i think a lot of them don't realise how easy they have had it compared to most people during all this tbf
Not really. It was only a few months ago, that Jordan Henderson and Harry Maguire got together to coordinate footie players giving more. What you're advocating for there is communism, and whilst I would welcome you as our new Stalin, I doubt the rest of the country would be that open to it!
Why are footballers supposed to set examples and not the people actually running the country?
Good to see you back, by the way.
Niamh.
12-01-2021, 02:11 PM
not saying the government isn't accountable and they are doing enough because they clearly are not but playing devil's advocate for a minute here - maybe Elite footballers or elite sports stars in general maybe should be doing more in times like this (along with the government doing more) and i say that because not much has changed for them during this, they are still on the same wages, they still get to live their dream whilst the average Joe is abiding by strict laws to stay indoors (which is taking a hit on mental health) and paying more money to watch them on subscription services because they aren't allowed into grounds, you have teams who are travelling across europe to play competitions and even going for breaks in Dubai, (Qualifying for the Australian open tennis tournament is even taking place in dubai right now) and then they get to jet off to Australia and earn 6 and 7 figure sums and of course they are pampered and taken good care off, your average supermarket worker or delivery driver on the other hand not to much.
i have heard so many stories about elite footballers breaking rules in recent months and getting a slap on the wrist for it, could name countless ones in top divisions who have clearly took the luxury they have for granted tbf and i say that as a huge football fan but they take the piss
Yeah, can't argue with any of that really but I think it's more reason why Marus Rashford shouldn't be getting berated when at least he's doing a lot more than most
Not really. It was only a few months ago, that Jordan Henderson and Harry Maguire got together to coordinate footie players giving more. What you're advocating for there is communism, and whilst I would welcome you as our new Stalin, I doubt the rest of the country would be that open to it!
Why are footballers supposed to set examples and not the people actually running the country?
Good to see you back, by the way.
2 footballers players get together to talk about giving more and that solves it? lol, doesn't really wash with me tbf, football fans pay these guys wages ffs they are the ones keeping them in the job year in and year out without the fans the clubs don't exist and the fans are the ones who are suffering the most right now so i can't give a **** about them being all talk and no action whilst being paid 150,000 a week, any rule breaks from them (and lets be fair its happened to much with them) and they should be forced to give up wages to donate, they have the luxury to do that whilst still be able to live the dream
The Slim Reaper
12-01-2021, 02:25 PM
2 footballers players get together to talk about giving more and that solves it? lol, doesn't really wash with me tbf, football fans pay these guys wages ffs they are the ones keeping them in the job year in and year out without the fans the clubs don't exist and the fans are the ones who are suffering the most right now so i can't give a **** about them being all talk and no action whilst being paid 150,000 a week, any rule breaks from them (and lets be fair its happened to much with them) and they should be forced to give up wages to donate, they have the luxury to do that whilst still be able to live the dream
No, that's not what I said. Firstly, it shouldn't ever be the responsibility of footballers or any other sports stars to feed our kids. Jacob Rees-Mogg has his company based in a tax haven so he doesn't have to pay taxes here (which feed our kids), and he's part of government. Crack down on tax avoiders, increase tax rates on the uber wealthy and we'll suddenly be in a lot better position. I agree there needs to be some kind of Kyle Walker rule that puts fines into some kind of pandemic pot, but that's nowhere near enough.
Bankers who caused the 2008 financial crisis were never asked to pay for it, instead we're still dealing with the austerity that followed, and yet footballers are supposed to pay for a pandemic?
They did a bit more than talk about it
https://talksport.com/football/692768/premier-league-stars-jordan-henderson-harry-kane-harry-maguire-nhs-fund/
Premier League stars including Jordan Henderson, Harry Kane and Harry Maguire announce launch of fund to raise millions for NHS during coronavirus pandemic
user104658
12-01-2021, 02:29 PM
I agree, but I think there is a difference between here and the US. Over there, I agree it's the "this will be me one day" syndrome tied in with american exceptionalism and the american dream. Over here, I think it's not as optimistic. I believe over here it's more about branding and aligning with the projected image of successful tories, and also geared to us being prepared to accept worse for ourselves, as long as we still have people who are worse off still. It's the brow-beating us into believing that a better society just isn't possible.
True... I think the UK has always had this huge issue with "working class pride", almost like a twisted form of Stoicism, where working all the hours under the sun to squeak by is actually some sort of moral stance.
An element of "work hard and know your damn place" in contrast to the US's "work hard and anything is possible".
...and I do think the continuation of the monarchy - even as a figurehead - subtly plays into that to a massive extent. The whole core set-up of the UK class hierarchy is that you literally CANNOT reach the top, you're born there or you're not.
Oliver_W
12-01-2021, 02:33 PM
I don't have the "it'll be me someday" syndrome -SEN support in public education isn't exactly lucrative!- but I'd sooner see a lot of the fat trimmed from public expenses before tax rises. I don't know how much of the things https://www.promotionalcodes.org.uk/frugal-blog/12468/20-disgusting-wasteful-examples-of-spending-by-the-uk-government/]here (https://www.promotionalcodes.org.uk/frugal-blog/12468/20-disgusting-wasteful-examples-of-spending-by-the-uk-government/) still apply, but all this coupled with clamping down on cronyism? That money could go a long way.
user104658
12-01-2021, 02:43 PM
I don't have the "it'll be me someday" syndrome -SEN support in public education isn't exactly lucrative!- but I'd sooner see a lot of the fat trimmed from public expenses before tax rises. I don't know how much of the things https://www.promotionalcodes.org.uk/frugal-blog/12468/20-disgusting-wasteful-examples-of-spending-by-the-uk-government/]here (https://www.promotionalcodes.org.uk/frugal-blog/12468/20-disgusting-wasteful-examples-of-spending-by-the-uk-government/) still apply, but all this coupled with clamping down on cronyism? That money could go a long way.
I think there are areas that are obviously wasteful - so long as that's in good faith and the cuts are in the vein of increasing efficiency WITHOUT cutting services (You can cut fuel costs for garbage collection? GREAT! You're doing it by cutting the number of collections to one a month? **** off.)
I also think tax doesn't need raising in the "achievable range" and if anything could be cut in a certain range. I'd place that range at the £70k - £120k range which I think IS realistically achievable for many people and I think in an ideal world both the 0% tax range would be extended up to £20k, and the tax bands beyond that would be cut by 5 - 10% per tier up to £120k.
However I'd have that hand-in-hand with a MASSIVE crackdown on tax avoidance in the very-high-income range and on large companies. People on £100k are still, at the end of the day, consumers and that's the vital point. There are areas where money is pooling/stockpiling with a tiny number of individuals and it's just not sustainable.
No, that's not what I said. Firstly, it shouldn't ever be the responsibility of footballers or any other sports stars to feed our kids. Jacob Rees-Mogg has his company based in a tax haven so he doesn't have to pay taxes here (which feed our kids), and he's part of government. Crack down on tax avoiders, increase tax rates on the uber wealthy and we'll suddenly be in a lot better position. I agree there needs to be some kind of Kyle Walker rule that puts fines into some kind of pandemic pot, but that's nowhere near enough.
Bankers who caused the 2008 financial crisis were never asked to pay for it, instead we're still dealing with the austerity that followed, and yet footballers are supposed to pay for a pandemic?
They did a bit more than talk about it
https://talksport.com/football/692768/premier-league-stars-jordan-henderson-harry-kane-harry-maguire-nhs-fund/
Premier League stars including Jordan Henderson, Harry Kane and Harry Maguire announce launch of fund to raise millions for NHS during coronavirus pandemic
i never said it should be their responsibility if you read my first post i said the government aren't doing anywhere near enough, however the fans pay the wages of footballlers they keep the clubs ticking so the footballers have a duty to respect the fans and not take the piss and abide by the rules that dear old karen does from #4, they are living the dream and getting paid to do it whilst grasssroots football is called off and people who don't get paid but love playing are suffering, i dunno i'm just really disillusioned with them at the minute maybe i'm being to harsh but i really think they are lucky right now to still be out there, i actually agree 100% with what mark warburton said on the matter
and the same harry maquire who should be in prison for assault? any normal person would be right now for assault but because he is who he is he got let off with a suspended sentence, thats exactly what i mean by the luxuries they have
rusticgal
12-01-2021, 02:59 PM
It's a shame that people who are struggling have to listen to attitudes like this all the time
Because there are always a few that spoil it for the rest and abuse the system...
rusticgal
12-01-2021, 03:00 PM
It's easier to look down on the less fortunate then to admit that most of us are just a few bad days away from being them.
Who is looking down on them :shrug:
user104658
12-01-2021, 03:01 PM
Because there are always a few that spoil it for the rest and abuse the system...
A few people abusing the system should not spoil it for the rest, though. Making life harder on 99% out of spite for 1% getting a few £ more than they should be is just unbearably pathetic.
The Slim Reaper
12-01-2021, 03:01 PM
i never said it should be their responsibility if you read my first post i said the government aren't doing anywhere near enough, however the fans pay the wages of footballlers they keep the clubs ticking so the footballers have a duty to respect the fans and not take the piss and abide by the rules that dear old karen does from #4, they are living the dream and getting paid to do it whilst grasssroots football is called off and people who don't get paid but love playing are suffering, i dunno i'm just really disillusioned with them at the minute maybe i'm being to harsh but i really think they are lucky right now to still be out there, i actually agree 100% with what mark warburton said on the matter
and the same harry maquire who should be in prison for assault? any normal person would be right now for assault but because he is who he is he got let off with a suspended sentence, thats exactly what i mean by the luxuries they have
Loads of people are living the dream on our dime. We're paying for the government to reward their friends that gave them money. There isn't a more fcuked up scenario during this whole pandemic. Contracts worth billions handed out without tender, because someone gave Boris a few hundred grand, or happened to pour Matt Hancock a pint.
Brad Pitt doesn't have a requirement to feed kids either and more people watch his movies than pay Mo salah' wages. I understand the disillusionment and where you're coming from, 100%, I just think it's directed at the wrong people, unless of course all footballers are tax dodgers.
Because there are always a few that spoil it for the rest and abuse the system...
i wouldn't even say a few i'd say a lot that can get by but abuse it like with food banks and it further punishes the very poor
Niamh.
12-01-2021, 03:13 PM
Because there are always a few that spoil it for the rest and abuse the system...
Every section of society will have people who will try to scam or abuse the system though
rusticgal
12-01-2021, 03:17 PM
Every section of society will have people who will try to scam or abuse the system though
Yes I know...
rusticgal
12-01-2021, 03:23 PM
i wouldn't even say a few i'd say a lot that can get by but abuse it like with food banks and it further punishes the very poor
There will always be people who will take advantage of a situation...they are the lowest of the low.
Because there are always a few that spoil it for the rest and abuse the system...
...they are just a small minority, though...and the system can’t be punished because of that few...for some families, there are reasons why a food parcel might be the better way...but that has to be monitored because it’s in no way a parent who is letting a child down by what’s being said to be given out with some atm...it’s the government for not monitoring and making sure that the food in the parcels meet a family’s needs....I mean, ironic really that some parents seem to be being judged as ‘not to have trust placed on them’ and yet, it’s catering companies themselves who are taking from the children....
The Slim Reaper
12-01-2021, 03:37 PM
This whole debate shows it's ideology and not facts that decide how people feel about it.
user104658
12-01-2021, 03:56 PM
...they are just a small minority, though...and the system can’t be punished because of that few.
I think that's the crux of it and unfortunately, many people are willing to see exactly that happen. They would genuinely rather see ten genuine people go without than one disingenuous person "getting away with it". Even when we're talking scraps and pennies.
joeysteele
12-01-2021, 04:08 PM
I think that's the crux of it and unfortunately, many people are willing to see exactly that happen. They would genuinely rather see ten genuine people go without than one disingenuous person "getting away with it". Even when we're talking scraps and pennies.
Absolutely.
That's an extremely sad reality but it is a reality.
You're spot on there TS.
I think that's the crux of it and unfortunately, many people are willing to see exactly that happen. They would genuinely rather see ten genuine people go without than one disingenuous person "getting away with it". Even when we're talking scraps and pennies.
...it’s the children that ‘go without’, though....however people judge other parents and for whatever basis they feel they have...it’s the children who are being ‘punished’...
...having said that, we have to assume that it’s generally a small minority of people as well who do judge...in the interest of fairness...
The Slim Reaper
12-01-2021, 04:17 PM
...having said that, we have to assume that it’s generally a small minority of people as well who do judge...in the interest of fairness...
If it was, the government be allowed to get away with it.
Kizzy
12-01-2021, 04:17 PM
The issue for me is having 'companies' Do this, they are profit driven and this is the reason £30 amounts to that amount of food because the business takes their percentage.
Why not leave it to communities? I'm sure they would be able to sort this better. I don't agree with vouchers either, not because they may be exploited but it would take from the spirit of community it has created, the sheer volume of donations and surplus stock from supermarkets shows how we are more than willing to support the vulnerable, vouchers would take that away.
If it was, the government be allowed to get away with it.
...I guess that I can mainly go on my own personal experiences in my school/work life of parents and the more often judgements I’ve experienced on low income/benefit funded families...and at any one time...?...(...obviously school years differ etc, it’s not a static thing....)..the majority are definitely very supportive and don’t judge at all ...in fact always form groups to help if they can...there are only a few, who tend to generally ‘playground gossip’ about most things...
user104658
12-01-2021, 04:38 PM
...it’s the children that ‘go without’, though....however people judge other parents and for whatever basis they feel they have...it’s the children who are being ‘punished’...
Yes and no... I think when children go without, it's often (tragically) inevitable... when things like this are taken away across the board, most parents will do whatever it takes to have it impact their kids the least, which means that they will siphon funds out of other things to keep their kids properly fed. And that's how people end up with unpaid bills and debt spirals, with the stress and anxiety of being chased by creditors for years, or eventual insolvency and everything that comes with that. The irony there of course is that that also actively damages the economy... FAR more than just helping people out in the first place.
I'll never forget what things were like for me in my mid-20's with a toddler and **** all money. She would never, ever have gone without but I can vividly feel that jolt of absolute panic that would come with an "unexpected bill" because other finances were so close to the wire. Or the feeling of walking 2 miles to the shop in shoes with holes in them so that she could have decent clothes and a decent buggy etc.
Life now is an absolute world away from that, our household income has literally quadrupled, but it's not that long ago... just 10 years or so.
So yeah off on a slight tangent - just saying, I guess, that a lot of parents absolutely will trim something away from themselves to shield their children, and taking away small things like this, even in cases where it doesn't seem to have a huge impact on the kids themselves, means they'll have to find some more, somewhere, to skim from their own outgoings in order to not impact their kids. A truly horrible situation to be in.
Yes and no... I think when children go without, it's often (tragically) inevitable... when things like this are taken away across the board, most parents will do whatever it takes to have it impact their kids the least, which means that they will siphon funds out of other things to keep their kids properly fed. And that's how people end up with unpaid bills and debt spirals, with the stress and anxiety of being chased by creditors for years, or eventual insolvency and everything that comes with that. The irony there of course is that that also actively damages the economy... FAR more than just helping people out in the first place.
I'll never forget what things were like for me in my mid-20's with a toddler and **** all money. She would never, ever have gone without but I can vividly feel that jolt of absolute panic that would come with an "unexpected bill" because other finances were so close to the wire. Or the feeling of walking 2 miles to the shop in shoes with holes in them so that she could have decent clothes and a decent buggy etc.
Life now is an absolute world away from that, our household income has literally quadrupled, but it's not that long ago... just 10 years or so.
So yeah off on a slight tangent - just saying, I guess, that a lot of parents absolutely will trim something away from themselves to shield their children, and taking away small things like this, even in cases where it doesn't seem to have a huge impact on the kids themselves, means they'll have to find some more, somewhere, to skim from their own outgoings in order to not impact their kids. A truly horrible situation to be in.
...I meant in terms specifically related to judging parents of not spending the allowance on food, TS...if and when that judgement is made ...that a family funding wouldn’t be spent on food ...?....it’s the child(ren) who will lose out...so effectively they’re the ones being judged...
I'm not particularly thrifty but I could make £30 go a lot further than that...I could go to the meat market/auctions and get 5 big steaks for a tenner and with them I can make stews, steak pies ect. Alternatively I can get about 8 or 9 chicken breasts for a tenner.
Kizzy
12-01-2021, 04:54 PM
I think the amount who judge are considerable.. theyre made to judge, look at headlines across decades 'scummy mummy' ' pramface' all manner of poverty porn, 'can't pay well take it away', ' benefits street' and others.
Societal division was and is the norm.
Does anyone think this was unintentional?... of course not and to an extent it's worked, communities are massively fragmented to how they were in say our grandparents day.
Thankfully that process is not yet complete, which is why you have those who fill the bags and baskets at the supermarket for those who need the support.
Are the cries of 'bleeding heart' ' sjw' levelled at those who help and think we should help.. Is that part and parcel of the undermining of societal cohesion?
Are those divided easier to manipulate and exploit?
The Slim Reaper
12-01-2021, 05:04 PM
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Vanessa
12-01-2021, 05:12 PM
Those food parcels aren't worth 30 pounds.
Where's the food? There's hardly anything in it!
My opinion hasn't changed. I believe the Children in need charity should be having this covered.
GoldHeart
12-01-2021, 05:24 PM
Those food parcels aren't worth 30 pounds.
Where's the food? There's hardly anything in it!
Yeah its Pathetic really , might as well of given them vouchers to buy their own food .
The Slim Reaper
12-01-2021, 05:30 PM
Just a reminder that Corbyn wanted to enshrine the right to food for every citizen.
Kizzy
12-01-2021, 05:40 PM
Just a reminder that Corbyn wanted to enshrine the right to food for every citizen.
Of course he did the virtue signalling snowflake!! :fist:
Marsh.
12-01-2021, 08:13 PM
My opinion hasn't changed. I believe the Children in need charity should be having this covered.
They can't cover everything. Nor should a charity be needed to cover basic essentials in a country like ours.
SherzyK
12-01-2021, 08:50 PM
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I knew it was bad in the UK but I didn’t know it was this bad :skull:
That rogue tomato though
Marsh.
12-01-2021, 09:44 PM
Every section of society will have people who will try to scam or abuse the system though
Exactly. Do the other MP's have to suffer when the ones who abuse the expenses system are caught out?
...I think the problem with having highly paid footballers /sports people pay is that they have the choice to live anywhere in the world ...footballers particularly can play for overseas teams...why would they choose to live in the U.K. if no other country expected them to ‘finance’ but the U.K. did...and fans surely want to keep them here...as a country, we also need to keep the big income people/tax payers...not just for their taxes but because of the charity donations and work, which are often focused on local/U.K. charities...if we lost footballers from living here, the loss would be huge, surely...what they give and donate in terms of both time and money, above their legal taxes, has to be their decision and not a forced one...
arista
13-01-2021, 09:32 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EriiHWNXIAAk_KF?format=jpg&name=small
Yes Well Done
the Yorkshire Local Paper.
The Company claims they were not ready
for this new Lockdown.
Jake.
13-01-2021, 10:18 AM
Hancock unable to answer simple question: Does he regret voting against free school meals for children:
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Oliver_W
13-01-2021, 10:24 AM
Hancock unable to answer simple question: Does he regret voting against free school meals for children:
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He really is s ghoul...
Jokes about people's appearance are low hanging fruit, but he really does look like Grishnakh from Lord of the Rings
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/94/c1/47/94c147bb70e1ddac02d9342d8d48b732.jpg
so does Angela Merkel tbh
arista
13-01-2021, 11:33 AM
https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/2589/production/_116490690_dailymirror-nc.png
Chartwells, the firm which supplied the parcel, has apologised.
https://www.chartwellsindependent.co.uk/outsourcing/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compass_Group
arista
13-01-2021, 11:49 AM
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Livia
13-01-2021, 01:21 PM
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Really? I thought, reading through this thread, that Boris had personally made up the packages,
The Slim Reaper
13-01-2021, 01:39 PM
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user104658
13-01-2021, 03:24 PM
To be fair this highlights a larger problem; school meals are £2 a day (whether you pay for them yourself or they're council-funded) but the tat that's actually provided is worth, at most, 50p - £1.
A cheap "main" like a sausage roll bought in large supply, probably about 15p each
A spoonful of beans (not branded) - 5p?
A handful of cheap chips - next to nothing
A small, cheap apple or other fruit - maybe 10p
Yoghurt or some other cheap desert - maybe 20p
Cup of fruit juice, from large "concentrate" jugs - maybe 5p
I make that like 50 - 75p max. There's just no way what they actually get comes in at £2 a day.
There's a reason that I would never dream of paying £10 a week EACH for my kids to eat school meals, they're abysmal... they've always taken their lunches. And, to be fair, I doubt we even spend £20 a week on packed lunch supplies... though I've never really counted. Maybe it is about that I guess.
Niamh.
13-01-2021, 03:26 PM
Everyone brings packed lunches over here
user104658
13-01-2021, 03:29 PM
Everyone brings packed lunches over here
A baked potato in each jacket pocket! Keeps your hands warm in the morning and doubles up as lunch, it's genius.
Niamh.
13-01-2021, 03:32 PM
A baked potato in each jacket pocket! Keeps your hands warm in the morning and doubles up as lunch, it's genius.
t'be sure, t'be sure
Crimson Dynamo
13-01-2021, 03:35 PM
we got our lunches from the ice cream van at the school gates
2 single fags, a sherbet dib dab and a can of irn bru
kids nowadays just dont know what is good for them
They want to go to the meat market/auction. I get 5 big steaks for a tenner and about 9 or 10 chicken breasts for a tenner. Out of them I make pies, stews, curries, stir fries, wraps ect. That £20 worth of meat will do me for a couple of months. . I get good filling meals out of it.
AnnieK
13-01-2021, 03:45 PM
we got our lunches from the ice cream van at the school gates
2 single fags, a sherbet dib dab and a can of irn bru
kids nowadays just dont know what is good for them
Lol we used to pool our dinner money for 10 fags, a hot chocolate from wimpy and a spira to drink the chocolate through. :laugh:
Lol we used to pool our dinner money for 10 fags, a hot chocolate from wimpy and a spira to drink the chocolate through. :laugh:I used to gamble mine away playing that game where you throw coins towards a wall and whoever got closest won the coins.
So I either starved or dined at the chippy like a King, depending how well I did.
user104658
13-01-2021, 03:53 PM
They want to go to the meat market/auction. I get 5 big steaks for a tenner and about 9 or 10 chicken breasts for a tenner. Out of them I make pies, stews, curries, stir fries, wraps ect. That £20 worth of meat will do me for a couple of months. . I get good filling meals out of it.Prime advice for the government, if they were looking to feed solo blokes in their 40's.
I used to gamble mine away playing that game where you throw coins towards a wall and whoever got closest won the coins.
So I either starved or dined at the chippy like a King, depending how well I did.
reminds me of my college days when i was 16 that, sneaking into the bookies end of the day hoping to god i wouldn't get ID'd whilst spunking my EMA money on red or black, was usually 30 quid all or nothing, did a few walk of shames from college when i lost because i didn't have the bus fair to get home but when you won you felt minted, got to love an all or nothing scenario, good times.
Mystic Mock
13-01-2021, 04:57 PM
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Keir Starmer speaks.:shocked:
Being serious at least it looks like this problem is being addressed.
...there are a lot of pics now appearing online/in social media etc of different lunches being supplied...they obviously vary because they’ll all be sourced differently but so many just aren’t good at all...this was another that a parent posted...
https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/1348782724908265476-png__700.jpg
without getting into the politics of it, if you are going to the trouble of giving people food, it needs to be of an appropriate standard, and what i've seen just isn't
Niamh.
14-01-2021, 09:56 AM
...there are a lot of pics now appearing online/in social media etc of different lunches being supplied...they obviously vary because they’ll all be sourced differently but so many just aren’t good at all...this was another that a parent posted...
https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/1348782724908265476-png__700.jpg
Doesn't seem worth the fuel or the effort
...seriously...how can anyone have any respect for this government who have no respect for their children...
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joeysteele
15-01-2021, 09:39 AM
For goodness sake, they can't even get this right.
Just put in place what's needed, stop messing about with children now too, to try to save a few pence.
This government is awful.
Rashford has pointed this out for how long now, the government should be pointing it out and dealing with it to make sure nutritious and adequate goods are supplied for children.
Vicky Ford is a very inappropriately named Minister, in relation to her children title.
Shocking that this is even an issue.
Just do what's right and MAKE sure it is done right too.
user104658
15-01-2021, 10:08 AM
Doesn't seem worth the fuel or the effortIt's really bizarre if they're not delivered to the door (or dispensed within easy walking distance) because it seems quite unlikely that families who need help with food can afford to keep and run a car :think:.
I mean on the most basic level, a 16 mile round trip every day for 10 days in a car is going to cost pretty much the same in fuel as it would to just buy the food in the first place.
Niamh.
15-01-2021, 10:10 AM
It's really bizarre if they're not delivered to the door (or dispensed within easy walking distance) because it seems quite unlikely that families who need help with food can afford to keep and run a car :think:.
I mean on the most basic level, a 16 mile round trip every day for 10 days in a car is going to cost pretty much the same in fuel as it would to just buy the food in the first place.
Yeah with a fraction of the effort (and probably a better meal)
Nicky91
18-02-2021, 10:27 AM
https://twitter.com/F1/status/1362087847440896003
Crimson Dynamo
18-02-2021, 11:08 AM
vacuous empty sentiment from prize walloper Hamilton
no surprises
Niamh.
12-07-2021, 08:20 AM
Deleted some posts in here, this isn't the Sports section and these posts are off topic
arista
31-01-2024, 01:27 PM
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/16C69/production/_132498239_rashford.jpg.webp
the guy should have his contract cancelled
It's sad that such a talent player is wasting his prime years messing around like this.
Hopefully hes decided he has enough cash and has worked his butt off hard enough for years. Time to relax.
AnnieK
31-01-2024, 03:44 PM
He grew up in one of the most deprived areas of Manchester and now has more money than he could ever begin to imagine and its turned his head. This is the problem of the extortionate wages these kids are paid - they get blinded by it and it gets in the way of their game. He has been fined 2 weeks wages but that won't hurt him.
Hopefully hes decided he has enough cash and has worked his butt off hard enough for years. Time to relax.
He’s been fined two weeks wages for his latest indescretion ..
£640 ,0000
£640 thousand !!
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Oliver_W
31-01-2024, 06:40 PM
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/16C69/production/_132498239_rashford.jpg.webp
Oh wow, a young rich celebrity was enjoying himself, this totally invalidates what he says about the inadequate food for children :rolleyes:
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