Disney blocks Peter Pan and Dumbo after highlighting 'harmful stereotypes'...

[Ammi]

Disney has blocked children under seven from watching Peter Pan and Dumbo after highlighting "harmful stereotypes" in classic cartoons.

The company’s streaming platform offers Kids Profile accounts with age restrictions in place which were updated in October to address issues with racial stereotypes.

Children’s Disney+ accounts now block animated classics like Peter Pan, Dumbo and The Aristocats for breaching content advisories, it has been reported.

Swiss Family Robinson has also been made unavailable after Disney brought in new restrictions for its subscription service on the advice of experts, according to reports.

In October the company added content advisories which warned viewers these programmes include “negative depictions and/or mistreatment of people or cultures".

The warning added: "These stereotypes were wrong then and are wrong now."

The children’s films have been removed from Kids Profiles, but are still available for viewing on adult accounts.

Concerns were raised about the term “redskins” being used in reference to Native Americans in the 1953 release Peter Pan.

The Aristocats, brought out in 1970, features a Siamese cat called Shun Gon which some viewers have found to portray stereotypes of East Asian People.

The 1941 cartoon Dumbo has been accused of caricaturing African Americans with several characters, including black workers who claim they “throw our pay away” while toiling to build a circus.

Disney last year moved to address “negative depictions” and “mistreatment of people or cultures" following Black Lives Matter protests, and has now removed some of its older content from children’s profiles, according to the Mail on Sunday.

Disney has not commented on the changes, but a statement on the company's website states it is: “Committed to creating stories with inspirational and aspirational themes that reflect the rich diversity of the human experience around the globe.

It adds: “We can't change the past, but we can acknowledge it.”

Other Disney productions came under increased scrutiny last year as depictions of race were reexamined following the death of George Floyd.

The Jungle Book, released in 1968, received a content warning because the ape King Louie sings Dixieland jazz style and is shown as lazy and lacking linguistic skills.

The 1955 film Lady and the Tramp likewise was given a warning message due to the animation including Siamese cats portraying Asian stereotypes, and heavily-accented dogs portray stereotypes of Mexico and Russia.

The 1946 release Song of the South is not available at all on Disney platforms due to their portrayals of black people as happy in the cotton fields.


https://uk.yahoo.com/movies/disney-blocks-peter-pan-dumbo-172856442.html

[Oliver_W]

how utterly stupid. Just put a trigger warning in a title card which show up for a few seconds before the films start.

"Harmful" my foot,absolutely no-one is harmed by a cartoon.

[user104658]

Hmm. I don't think there's any harm in kids watching these films but I do think it should be with an adult to provide context (not that all will). This isn't censorship though; they're essentially just changing them from "U" rated to "PG" and there's nothing wrong with that, at the end of the day it will be parent's decision whether or not to let kids watch them, which seems like the right route forward really.

[Nicky91]

good decision

[hijaxers]

how utterly stupid. Just put a trigger warning in a title card which show up for a few seconds before the films start.

"Harmful" my foot,absolutely no-one is harmed by a cartoon.

I agree this is totally nuts . I understand why but 'harmful ' Nah

[user104658]

I agree this is totally nuts . I understand why but 'harmful ' NahBut they're not banned - and at the end of the day, isn't whether or not something is harmful to a child the decision of that child's parents? Honestly that's all this move is doing, making it parent's choice. I don't see how anyone can argue with that.

[Ammi]

...I think that it was always going to be one of those...Can’t win for losing, situations/decisions...to have left it without any restriction of it being a parental decision, then it would leave open for it being accused of not fitting with the ‘ethics of Disney’ and showing some irresponsibility...whichever way, I feel there would be criticism...

...it’s obviously important for children to see historic stereotypes but it allows for parents to make that decision if they don’t feel it appropriate for their child to learn by seeing them...

[Ammi]

...maybe the headline could have been worded better to relay blocking/restricting to parental guidance...rather than ‘banned’, which they aren’t being...

[Nicky91]

...I think that it was always going to be one of those...Can’t win for losing, situations/decisions...to have left it without any restriction of it being a parental decision, then it would leave open for it being accused of not fitting with the ‘ethics of Disney’ and showing some irresponsibility...whichever way, I feel there would be criticism...

...it’s obviously important for children to see historic stereotypes but it allows for parents to make that decision if they don’t feel it appropriate for their child to learn by seeing them...

idk

[Ammi]

no, we need to erase them from history, destroy the copies and the original tapes in the fire

...gosh, burn the books, Nicky...!!!!...if we erased history then we wouldn’t progress but just go around in circles forever more, I fear...

[Oliver_W]

no, we need to erase them from history, destroy the copies and the original tapes in the fire

Nicky outing himself as a Nazi sympathiser isn't how I expected this week to start.

[user104658]

no, we need to erase them from history, destroy the copies and the original tapes in the fire

N.W.O ...

Nicky's World Order :laugh:

[Kazanne]

Oh for Gods sake, it's all getting ridiculous, there's much worse children can watch.

[arista]

Cats talking?

Debate on LBC.

[arista]

"ape King Louie sings Dixieland jazz style
and is shown as lazy and lacking linguistic skills."



Yes a Character, that Black Lives Matter are Now against.


Leave Louie, alone.

[Ammi]

Oh for Gods sake, it's all getting ridiculous, there's much worse children can watch.

...but that’s the whole point, Kaz...it’s absolutely leaving it there for the parent to decide whether they want their children to watch...but in drawing attention to stereotyped content...?..it’s also highlighting if a parent wants to watch with their child, to guide their child through any possible discussions etc...

[Oliver_W]

"ape King Louie sings Dixieland jazz style
and is shown as lazy and lacking linguistic skills."



Yes a Character, that Black Lives Matter are Now against.


Leave Louie, alone.

It takes a special kind of racist to look at an ape in a film full of talking animals, and immediately think of black people.

[Nicky91]

...gosh, burn the books, Nicky...!!!!...if we erased history then we wouldn’t progress but just go around in circles forever more, I fear...

Nicky outing himself as a Nazi sympathiser isn't how I expected this week to start.

N.W.O ...

Nicky's World Order :laugh:

:umm2: i didn't mean it like that


also Ammi you do have a point, and only if we would all learn from history, we could make the world a better place

if only we could all get rid of far right, right wing, those who want to silence us, the PC world needs to be gone

sorry, i am kinda more easily stressed up than usual these times


my world order would be ''no more PC world, apart from getting rid of hate groups which only leads to more nastiness''


i guess Dumbo, Peter Pan can be ticked as educational then, maybe a trigger warning is ok enough, i mean Roots doesn't need to be banned either since that is educational how we can learn slavery is wrong

[Ammi]

:umm2: i didn't mean it like that


also Ammi you do have a point, and only if we would all learn from history, we could make the world a better place

if only we could all get rid of far right, right wing, those who want to silence us, the PC world needs to be gone

sorry, i am kinda more easily stressed up than usual these times


my world order would be ''no more PC world, apart from getting rid of hate groups which only leads to more nastiness''


i guess Dumbo, Peter Pan can be ticked as educational then, maybe a trigger warning is ok enough, i mean Roots doesn't need to be banned either since that is educational how we can learn slavery is wrong

...it’s not so much a trigger warning, Nicky...it’s more, putting the choice/control with the parents ...not only in their child watching or not, but also highlighting some things/stereotypes etc that they themselves may not be aware of...so they may feel it’s something they want to watch with their child to bring up any discussion points...


...I know it’s such a stressful/anxious time atm, Nicky...:hug:..I was teasing you, it was wrong to do that...I apologise...

[Kazanne]

...but that’s the whole point, Kaz...it’s absolutely leaving it there for the parent to decide whether they want their children to watch...but in drawing attention to stereotyped content...?..it’s also highlighting if a parent wants to watch with their child, to guide their child through any possible discussions etc...

Yes I do get that ,I sit watching Disney films with my kids ,that sort of thinking doesn't cross my mind or theirs as far as I know (they have not asked questions about colour etc)we just enjoy them for the fun they are meant to be.

[Oliver_W]

my world order would be ''no more PC world,

Nicky outing himself as a hater of electronics retailers is not how I expected this week to start.

[Scarlett.]

Hmm. I don't think there's any harm in kids watching these films but I do think it should be with an adult to provide context (not that all will). This isn't censorship though; they're essentially just changing them from "U" rated to "PG" and there's nothing wrong with that, at the end of the day it will be parent's decision whether or not to let kids watch them, which seems like the right route forward really.

Yeah, this doesn't seem like much of a big deal.

[Ammi]

Yes I do get that ,I sit watching Disney films with my kids ,that sort of thinking doesn't cross my mind or theirs as far as I know (they have not asked questions about colour etc)we just enjoy them for the fun they are meant to be.

..it’s good though I think to give that control to parents and also to have potential discussion points highlighted as well...it’s not something that every parent would feel the need and that’s fine too as it isn’t restricting as such, just giving more opportunity for parent/child watching together...or if a parent does feel strongly, to not have their child watch at all...obviously a parent can still choose to have their child watch without a parent as well ...

[user104658]

Nicky outing himself as a hater of electronics retailers is not how I expected this week to start.

They overprice their computers and sell them to people who don't know what they're looking at, and could get a better PC/Laptop in 5 minutes online, for 2/3 the price... so I'm fully on board with this course of action.

"This one has a SUPER FAST intel celeron processor!"

No! Heathen bastards, away!!!

[Ammi]

...just to add also...do parents want to make the decision themselves what is ‘harmful’ to their own child(ren)...or do they want that decision made by others...it surely gives more freedom to a parent and takes nothing away...

[Nicky91]

Nicky outing himself as a hater of electronics retailers is not how I expected this week to start.

PC = political correctness

[user104658]

...just to add also...do parents want to make the decision themselves what is ‘harmful’ to their own child(ren)...or do they want that decision made by others...it surely gives more freedom to a parent and takes nothing away...

That's my thinking really, parents who don't want their kids to watch the content now have an easier route to them not viewing it, parents who are OK or would even like to watch these films with their kids still can, and (frankly) parents who don't care either way probably don't have kids Disney+ accounts set up with age restrictions and just have one unrestricted account that's shared. TBH the last one is probably the most likely scenario.

[Ammi]

That's my thinking really, parents who don't want their kids to watch the content now have an easier route to them not viewing it, parents who are OK or would even like to watch these films with their kids still can, and (frankly) parents who don't care either way probably don't have kids Disney+ accounts set up with age restrictions and just have one unrestricted account that's shared. TBH the last one is probably the most likely scenario.

...and it’s also referring to originals as well, many children will watch the live remakes, I would think ....I was just thinking earlier actually about Sleeping Beauty and how dodgy ‘THE KISS’ is because that was definitely non consensual...

[arista]

It takes a special kind of racist to look at an ape in a film full of talking animals, and immediately think of black people.




Yes Lever Louie alone.


BAN Black Lives Matter Political Group

[user104658]

...and it’s also referring to originals as well, many children will watch the live remakes, I would think ....I was just thinking earlier actually about Sleeping Beauty and how dodgy ‘THE KISS’ is because that was definitely non consensual...

The whole concept of Sleeping Beauty is a mess, surely we want to teach kids that you fall in love with someone by getting to know them and liking their personality too, not that you just see a random inanimate person in a bed and think "Wow so hot" :joker:.

... ... ... not to mention that in the original story that it's based on, she is actually raped in her sleep by the prince (king) and goes through a full pregnancy and childbirth whilst still unconscious, and wakes up when one of her children dislodges some magical thingumawotsit from her hand that's keeping her asleep.

The original stories are always really messed up :umm2:.

[Niamh.]

The whole concept of Sleeping Beauty is a mess, surely we want to teach kids that you fall in love with someone by getting to know them and liking their personality too, not that you just see a random inanimate person in a bed and think "Wow so hot" :joker:.

... ... ... not to mention that in the original story that it's based on, she is actually raped in her sleep by the prince (king) and goes through a full pregnancy and childbirth whilst still unconscious, and wakes up when one of her children dislodges some magical thingumawotsit from her hand that's keeping her asleep.

The original stories are always really messed up :umm2:.

Bloody hell, I hadn't heard that version, that's really disturbing. I remember having the Little Mermaid book when I was a kid and it was warped as well. The trade off for getting legs meant she was constantly in pain

[Tom4784]

Hmm. I don't think there's any harm in kids watching these films but I do think it should be with an adult to provide context (not that all will). This isn't censorship though; they're essentially just changing them from "U" rated to "PG" and there's nothing wrong with that, at the end of the day it will be parent's decision whether or not to let kids watch them, which seems like the right route forward really.

Pretty much, it's basically just upping their age rating but it's not gonna stop people from misunderstanding what censorship is and crying that these films are being censored.

It's all quite understandable really, if these films had to be reclassified in today's world, they wouldn't be U rated. As usual, people are getting mad for no reason.

[Tom4784]

Bloody hell, I hadn't heard that version, that's really disturbing. I remember having the Little Mermaid book when I was a kid and it was warped as well. The trade off for getting legs meant she was constantly in pain

And that it was all for nothing because the prince chose someone else and so she died, fairy tales are ****ed when you look at the original versions.

[Niamh.]

And that it was all for nothing because the prince chose someone else and so she died, fairy tales are ****ed when you look at the original versions.

Was it something like she'd saved the prince from drowning but when he woke up there was another woman looking after him and he thought she was the one who saved him or something?

[Tom4784]

Was it something like she'd saved the prince from drowning but when he woke up there was another woman looking after him and he thought she was the one who saved him or something?

Could be, I remember reading it as a kid and I thought I could remember it turning out that basically he fell in love with someone else. Maybe I remembered it wrong, either way, she ends up as foam, I think.

[Oliver_W]

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Ugga wag, ugg wag, ugga wag, wahhh

[Niamh.]

Could be, I remember reading it as a kid and I thought I could remember it turning out that basically he fell in love with someone else. Maybe I remembered it wrong, either way, she ends up as foam, I think.

Yep :

Andersen’s mermaid pays a big price for having legs

When Ariel becomes a human, she has legs and it’s a very exciting time for her.

What Disney left out is the penalty the mermaid has to pay for getting those legs in Andersen’s story.

Taking a step with her human legs is as the author put it, like “walking on knives,” according to Bustle.

There’s no happy ending in Andersen’s story
The Little Mermaid ends with the characters living happily ever after. But not in Andersen’s world.

Instead, the prince marries another woman whom he believes saved him from drowning.

Meanwhile, the mermaid has no way of telling him the truth because she has no voice. She’s given another shot when she’s told if she kills the prince, she will live.

In the end, the mermaid can’t bring herself to kill the man she loves and ends up back in the sea where she becomes sea foam or a “daughter of the air” where she remains in purgatory.https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/true-story-little-mermaid.html/

[Tom4784]

Ah, so slightly less cruel than I remembered, I was sure I remembered him straight up rejecting her.

[Oliver_W]

Like in Cinderella, the Ugly Step Sisters chopped bits of their feet off to fit into the shoes , which were silk and silver rather than glass.

[user104658]

Yep :

Andersen’s mermaid pays a big price for having legs

When Ariel becomes a human, she has legs and it’s a very exciting time for her.

What Disney left out is the penalty the mermaid has to pay for getting those legs in Andersen’s story.

Taking a step with her human legs is as the author put it, like “walking on knives,” according to Bustle.

There’s no happy ending in Andersen’s story
The Little Mermaid ends with the characters living happily ever after. But not in Andersen’s world.

Instead, the prince marries another woman whom he believes saved him from drowning.

Meanwhile, the mermaid has no way of telling him the truth because she has no voice. She’s given another shot when she’s told if she kills the prince, she will live.

In the end, the mermaid can’t bring herself to kill the man she loves and ends up back in the sea where she becomes sea foam or a “daughter of the air” where she remains in purgatory.https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/true-story-little-mermaid.html/

That poor unfortunate soul :worry:

[user104658]

Like in Cinderella, the Ugly Step Sisters chopped bits of their feet off to fit into the shoes , which were silk and silver rather than glass.

Yeah I've heard that one too - they cut off their toes to try and get the shoes to fit or something D:

[Tom4784]

And then don't crows peck out their eyes for their 'wickedness?' So they end up blind with mangled feet.

That's the version I remember reading in school, at least, I think it was. Maybe I'm embellishing it, given how I misremembered the details of Little Mermaid.

[Cherie]

:joker: just shows how hardy we were has kids, it was like water off a ducks back

I just remember the pretty dresses in the Cinderella books

[Ammi]

...Cinderella, the not so ‘evil’ one sold her sisters to wealthy husbands...so human trafficking with her handsome Prince...?...shades of Jeffrey and Ghislaine...

[Oliver_W]

And the Wicked Witch from Snow White? She didn't topple off a cliff while trying to push a rock at Snowie... She survived right up to the wedding, which she was captured and forced to wear red hot iron shoes, and danced around until she dropped dead!

[bots]

i guess it takes peoples minds off covid for a minute

[Marsh.]

Bloody hell, I hadn't heard that version, that's really disturbing. I remember having the Little Mermaid book when I was a kid and it was warped as well. The trade off for getting legs meant she was constantly in pain

:joker: Isn't the original Cinderella that the ugly sisters literally start cutting off toes in order to fit their feet into the glass slipper too?

Edit:
Like in Cinderella, the Ugly Step Sisters chopped bits of their feet off to fit into the shoes , which were silk and silver rather than glass.

Or this. Yeah. :laugh:

[Jessica.]

I don't have a problem with them changing the age ratings of the films, there are plenty other films which don't have harmful stereotypes.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I mean SLeeping Beuty was 16 when she was being kissed whilst unconscious by a man and snow white was 14 and living with 7 men over 50

with one bathroom

[Cherie]

I mean SLeeping Beuty was 16 when she was being kissed whilst unconscious by a man and snow white was 14 and living with 7 men over 50

with one bathroom

:laugh:

and Tom got regularly beaten over the head with a blunt instrument in Tom and Jerry

[Black Dagger]

Peter Pan is my absolute favourite Disney film. Never really noticed anything that seems to be treading a line.

But I'd much rather them put a 10 second warning at the start over removing the content.

[user104658]

snow white was 14 and living with 7 men over 50

Caprimint's drinking thread? :worry:

[user104658]

Peter Pan is my absolute favourite Disney film. Never really noticed anything that seems to be treading a line.

But I'd much rather them put a 10 second warning at the start over removing the content.

They've only been blocked for under 7's, so a written explanation at the start is sort of moot...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Caprimint's drinking thread? :worry:

:joker:

[Marsh.]

Peter Pan is my absolute favourite Disney film. Never really noticed anything that seems to be treading a line.

Not watched it in years, but I'm guessing it is the depiction of Native Americans? :shrug:

[user104658]

Not watched it in years, but I'm guessing it is the depiction of Native Americans? :shrug:

And pirates.