Why are so many of the BAME community refusing the vaccine.

[Parmy]

Very selfish on the rest of us.

[Niamh.]

“There is an important conversation going on around fake news and its impact on vaccine uptake, particularly in BAME communities. [However,] there are other issues at play that need addressing, including deep-seated multigenerational reservations and fear that some people in BAME communities have about accessing the NHS,” Begum said.

“That fear is often based on past experience, whether incidents of simple misunderstanding, cultural confusion or, in the case of some patients, an outright fear of perceived hostility and racism.”

Experts and politicians have expressed growing concerns over vaccine scepticism within minority ethnic groups, prompting the government to launch a targeted publicity campaign to increase confidence. In January ministers pledged a fund worth more than £23m to try to quell the spread of misinformation about the vaccine and in the past few days politicians and celebrities have released videos to encourage people from BAME communities to get the jab.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/04/black-over-80s-in-england-half-as-likely-to-have-had-covid-vaccine

[Crimson Dynamo]

"There is an important conversation going on around fake news and its impact on vaccine uptake, particularly in BAME communities."

"Experts and politicians have expressed growing concerns over vaccine scepticism within minority ethnic groups"

Typical Guardian...

[Oliver_W]

Vaccine skepticism is stupid when it's antivaxxing Karens who think the jabs will give their kids autism, and it's even more stupid when it's ... Whatever imaginary reason they have to not want the Covid jab.

[arista]

Very selfish on the rest of us.

Yes it appears online
via Facebook and other sites
they are getting Fake information.


Its Terrible so many follow craP.

[The Slim Reaper]

Yes it appears online
via Facebook and other sites
they are getting Fake information.


Its Terrible so many follow craP.

Vote Leave says hi.

[arista]

Vote Leave says hi.


Nothing to do with this Topic.
I get your joke

[Vicky.]

Have there been stats from each demographic released? I know its everywhere at the min that 15% of the BAME community are refusing. But I find it hard to believe it would be significantly higher than those not of that community refusing? I suspected takeup might not be as good as planned though, due to the 'politicians answers' that have been given on the topic when takeup is asked about on the news. I am actually a bit surprised at this being publicized..as it could very well lead to even more refusals, once people know its not too uncommon to refuse.

Either way, I don't really see it as selfish. Especially given while the vaccines appear to somewhat stop spread (or its looking that way anyway), they were marketted as 'will make infection less severe', in which case, someone saying no doesn't affect others. Also I feel a bit uncomfortable labelling people selfish for having an..unknown medical procedure really. Yeah vaccines are common and generally safe, but there are a LOT of (mainly older..so not as likely to be influenced by social media conspiracy posts either) people who feel its all been rushed..might have side effects..say they will get it months down the line when theres more data..etc. Have been having issues trying to persuade my mother in law that really, its not going to be too much different to the flu vaccine. It doesn't really help that the person in her street who has had it, claims they were told that if they feel spaced out for a few days, thats normal :umm2: Clearly they remembered that wrong, or misheard, but stuff like that is properly panicking a few in that area..I have said I do not for a second believe it, and there must be a mistake. Have compromised slightly on..if the GP tells her that also, actually says it, then she should refuse at that stage. But its just such a silly rumour. Mind, there have been multiple very serious issues at our doctors for almost a year now, so I can maybe believe some arsehole working there has said something 'joking' and its been taken seriously or something..

Luckily we will likely be able to get away with a fairly large proportion of people turning it down. We don't need 100% protection, and some will now have natural protection anyway.

I don't see this as too much of a problem while the numbers remain low. We would have an issue if it was like..50% of people saying no though.

Am actually now wondering, if the amount of people refusing..is why it seems to now be the plan to vaccinate all over 18s. If 'the vulnerable' were covered, that would be good enough really, but if many of 'the vulnerable' refuse to get it, then the rest of us will need to do it instead.

[bots]

there is a very real danger of making the problem worse by saying why are [particular group] refusing vaccination because they will just dig their heels in more. it's not mandatory, if they don't want it when offered it, they can opt in later if they want to. The uptake rate will keep going down as they go through the age groups. Also, saying we need x % to get herd immunity is meaningless because it's never going to happen because it needs to apply world wide. If the hospital admissions settle at a low level, then let people live their lives as they choose. It's what we do with every other disease . The only reason there is concern now is the risk that the NHS gets overwhelmed

[Cherie]

there is a very real danger of making the problem worse by saying why are [particular group] refusing vaccination because they will just dig their heels in more. it's not mandatory, if they don't want it when offered it, they can opt in later if they want to. The uptake rate will keep going down as they go through the age groups. Also, saying we need x % to get herd immunity is meaningless because it's never going to happen because it needs to apply world wide. If the hospital admissions settle at a low level, then let people live their lives as they choose. It's what we do with every other disease . The only reason there is concern now is the risk that the NHS gets overwhelmed

Think they might redress that if vac for travel is mandatory

[Nicky91]

well it is selfish to be against it, as vaccinating is our way out of this pandemic, out of these lockdowns

we need to act fast otherwise many businesses are going under, here in my country Zoo's are already struggling big time, they are now asking for donations from the people since they still need to feed their animals, and now they rely on donations more than ever as they are closed for a long time already

[Cherie]

I read that there was also an attitude of ‘ if its Gods will’ but by that token you would never go to the GP for any ailment :shrug:

[Vicky.]

there is a very real danger of making the problem worse by saying why are [particular group] refusing vaccination because they will just dig their heels in more. it's not mandatory, if they don't want it when offered it, they can opt in later if they want to. The uptake rate will keep going down as they go through the age groups. Also, saying we need x % to get herd immunity is meaningless because it's never going to happen because it needs to apply world wide. If the hospital admissions settle at a low level, then let people live their lives as they choose. It's what we do with every other disease . The only reason there is concern now is the risk that the NHS gets overwhelmed

Yes, this was what I was getting at in part of my post, yet you worded it to make sense!

[GoldHeart]

But it isn't just the bame community , there's white anti vaccinators aswell .

But I'm still wondering why they say Covid is more likely to affect BAME people??. When all kinds of people have been dying from Covid from various backgrounds.

And anyone refusing to take the vaccine is just putting not only themselves but others at risk and it's illogical and silly to refuse it .

[Oliver_W]

But I'm still wondering why they say Covid is more likely to affect BAME people??. When all kinds of people have been dying from Covid from various backgrounds.

I think it's still not thoroughly established if it's due to a genetic thing, or lifestyles.

[Gstar]

@parmnion

Many white people are against the vaccine as well. Get your facts right and don’t call me selfish

[Oliver_W]

@parmnion

Many white people are against the vaccine as well. Get your facts right and don’t call me selfish

Why don't you want the vaccine?

[Gstar]

Check Daniels thread

[Parmy]

Check Daniels thread

PM a link please G

[Parmy]

@parmnion

Many white people are against the vaccine as well. Get your facts right and don’t call me selfish

White people just bump gums about being against it, most people will bypass Gregg's for a day to get the jab after slavering a load of ****e about not taking it.


Ita different though with the BAME, especially the B. I hope its cause of Beliefs.


I'm willing to discuss this further with you, because if its fear and mistrust then that out of order.

[Cherie]

Why don't you want the vaccine?

He’s not 70 and doesnt have an underlying condition, so sod everyone else it seems...oh and that’s the governments fault :laugh:

[Gstar]

He’s not 70 and doesnt have an underlying condition, so sod everyone else it seems...oh and that’s the governments fault :laugh:

Grow up

Not once have I said that I’m against the vaccine, I just don’t wish to have it for the reasons I already explained. My body, my choice

[Parmy]

Link?

[Cherie]

Grow up

Not once have I said that I’m against the vaccine, I just don’t wish to have it for the reasons I already explained. My body, my choice

With all due respect there is a big difference in saying ‘my body, my choice’, and what you originally said which was that the virus isn’t a threat to you

[Gstar]

They’re just reasons why I don’t want the vaccine, they don’t have to link together

[joeysteele]

I don't think the BAME communities are the only ones with reservations.
I've myself learned of a few who've had the vaccines and felt really awful for more than just days after it.

I think all should take this vaccine when it's offered.
However, it is everyone's own choice.

I'm taking my own Mum today for hers, she is very suspicious of it.
In fact I know had she been on her own, she would not be going to have it at this time.

I think a lot of people will feel the same.
Not just the BAME communities.
Also like my own Mum, I would think there's many who go to get it.
Really anxious and doing so reluctantly.

I get from my Mum for instance, 'well it changes little except maybe you don't get too Ill hopefully.
You can still with the vaccine get it, not know you have it and still pass it to others if you do have it'.

For me, the not getting too ill part is very important but also that it will hopefully ensure far less deaths to it too.

However, there's deep anxiety and even fear among people, the BAME communities and in others too.

There's a trust issue too, in are we told everything.

If this was the very start of the vaccinations, I may even myself share the fears my Mum has and the reluctance to have the vaccine.
After something like 11 million vaccinated I'd expect more confidence in the vaccine to be forthcoming.

The other issue that has clouded things and I'm not sure we have had the fullest reassurances to this.
The now up to 12 week gap when it was insisted it had to be only 3 in only January too.
It is only the 6th February now.

Plus I've come across worries now at the mention of a different covid vaccine from the first brand of it possibly for the second one.
These are things, people have to know have been properly trialled and tested.

So I understand the still anxieties and lack of trust in what we're told.
Leaving a reluctance to accept the vaccine.

Myself, I'd still urge everyone of any communities to get the vaccine however.

[Ammi]

...yeah, I do understand concerns as well, Joey and hopefully they will become less and less as we actually see those changes of less restrictions over time...?..but atm, there is obviously going to be some scepticism and maybe a higher fear for some of something being injected into their body, that’s the virus itself ...thinking of you and your mum today, a great birthday gift, eh...:hug:...

[joeysteele]

...yeah, I do understand concerns as well, Joey and hopefully they will become less and less as we actually see those changes of less restrictions over time...?..but atm, there is obviously going to be some scepticism and maybe a higher fear for some of something being injected into their body, that’s the virus itself ...thinking of you and your mum today, a great birthday gift, eh...:hug:...

I hope so Ammi.
Watching my Mum this morning just looking at the weather, saying is it not too cold?.
My response, we're in my car Mum, no worries on the cold.

What if it's packed?,
Well we're not to go in until 5 mins before our time, so we sit in the car til then.

I have to be ready with all answers:joker:

I know she's anxious but it will be worth it once it's done and I'm expecting her then saying.
Is that it, it's done!
I'll be relieved when it is myself as Mum really doesn't want to go.

Thank you Ammi.

[Ammi]

I hope so Ammi.
Watching my Mum this morning just looking at the weather, saying is it not too cold?.
My response, we're in my car Mum, no worries on the cold.

What if it's packed?,
Well we're not to go in until 5 mins before our time, so we sit in the car til then.

I have to be ready with all answers:joker:

I know she's anxious but it will be worth it once it's done and I'm expecting her then saying.
Is that it, it's done!
I'll be relieved when it is myself as Mum really doesn't want to go.

Thank you Ammi.


...apparently I heard that the vaccine loves the cold weather so it’s skipping about atm, very excitedly...but hawwww, obviously she’s looking for reassurance, I mean it is a huge thing and a very significant moment in her life...but they sound like just smaller things and definitely no big fears there, I would say...I reckon that’s because she’s had you calming her every step, Joey...and you’ll deliver her quite safely and then she can properly exhale...big hug to you both...:hug:..

[UserSince2005]

I think it steams down to a lack of education. We need to fund schools better in deprived areas

[Cherie]

I hope so Ammi.
Watching my Mum this morning just looking at the weather, saying is it not too cold?.
My response, we're in my car Mum, no worries on the cold.

What if it's packed?,
Well we're not to go in until 5 mins before our time, so we sit in the car til then.

I have to be ready with all answers:joker:

I know she's anxious but it will be worth it once it's done and I'm expecting her then saying.
Is that it, it's done!
I'll be relieved when it is myself as Mum really doesn't want to go.

Thank you Ammi.

Aw hope she gets on okay Joey

[DouglasS]

He’s not 70 and doesnt have an underlying condition, so sod everyone else it seems...oh and that’s the governments fault :laugh:

:joker:

If you’re not willing to take the vaccine you have no leg to stand on if you’re blaming the government. The vaccine rollout is the ONLY way out, otherwise cases will remain high if all under 40s don’t take it..

If you’re not blaming the government then that’s fine, you’re aware you’re being a bit selfish(not liking needles not wanting to bother for potentially saving others), but people blaming the government and not willing to take definitely lack self awareness..

[bots]

we are never going to have sufficient numbers of the world population vaccinated to achieve herd immunity, it just wont happen. Maybe in 10 or 20 years it might be possible, but unless you are going to close borders permanently, immunity levels within a particular country mean squat. It's really not helpful to try and guilt people into getting vaccinated. They need to do it because they want to, and over time, that may well happen if they want to visit other countries. In my life time I clearly remember having to be vaccinated for whatever before travelling abroad. It was a mandatory requirement if you wished to travel, and its likely the same will happen with covid

[AnnieK]

I do believe we will get to a point where a lot of countries will want proof of vaccine status and if you don't have it, you won't gain access to that country. It remains to be seen if that is the case but I think some people strongly against the vaccine may change their minds if it starts to affect their freedoms.

[LukeB]

I do believe we will get to a point where a lot of countries will want proof of vaccine status and if you don't have it, you won't gain access to that country. It remains to be seen if that is the case but I think some people strongly against the vaccine may change their minds if it starts to affect their freedoms.

Yeah i think that will happen too. Most countries atm want proof of a negative corona test so vaccine proof will happen.

[Vicky.]

I do believe we will get to a point where a lot of countries will want proof of vaccine status and if you don't have it, you won't gain access to that country. It remains to be seen if that is the case but I think some people strongly against the vaccine may change their minds if it starts to affect their freedoms.

Needing the vaccine to go abroad is fine by me really. There are a few injections we are meant to get for different countries, and I don't really see this as much different at all.

I guess the main issue I see with that is that it might end up being flu jab sitation were it needs renewed regularly. I have a feeling the costs involved with vaccinating people who are not high risk might put a stopper in that. Cost V benefit. LIke how the flu jab is only offered to certain groups now, despite flu being a dreadful illness (not a cold 'flu', but real flu). IT would be great if that vaccine could be offered to all, to stop people getting ill, however, it would be a bit of a waste of money overall, and it makes sense to focus on those who can get very very ill from it.

What I see people kicking off about, is the implication they cannot go to the supermarket without proof of vaccination. Which seems a silly thing to get upset over really as I really cannot see that that would ever be 'a thing'. Even moreso when you look at..well how well requiring masks is going! I don't think there will ever be a situation in this country where people wih various illnesses/allergies/etc HAVE to wear something to prove they do not need a medical procedure, and its a dagerous road to go down really if that did happen. But of course, if you do not force people to tell the world about their disability, it makes it easier for those who simply do not want to follw the system, to abuse.

[Oliver_W]

He’s not 70 and doesnt have an underlying condition, so sod everyone else it seems...oh and that’s the governments fault :laugh:

"I'd probably survive a car crash, so it's none of your business if I drink before driving!"

[Cherie]

I do believe we will get to a point where a lot of countries will want proof of vaccine status and if you don't have it, you won't gain access to that country. It remains to be seen if that is the case but I think some people strongly against the vaccine may change their minds if it starts to affect their freedoms.

100 per cent this will happen

[joeysteele]

Well, I think all should get it when offered.

I've just got home with my Mum after her getting the vaccine.

Oh yeah,... she wonders what the fuss was about..
I said, oh yeah really Mother.

It was excellent and went like clockwork.

[Cherie]

Well, I think all should get it when offered.

I've just got home with my Mum after her getting the vaccine.

Oh yeah,... she wonders what the fuss was about..
I said, oh yeah really Mother.

It was excellent and went like clockwork.

:love:

[AnnieK]

Well, I think all should get it when offered.

I've just got home with my Mum after her getting the vaccine.

Oh yeah,... she wonders what the fuss was about..
I said, oh yeah really Mother.

It was excellent and went like clockwork.

Great news Joey. I always find worrying about medical procedures is far worse than the actual thing usually.

You will both hopefully have a bit more peace of mind :love: I was massively relieved once my Dad had his

[Ammi]

Well, I think all should get it when offered.

I've just got home with my Mum after her getting the vaccine.

Oh yeah,... she wonders what the fuss was about..
I said, oh yeah really Mother.

It was excellent and went like clockwork.

...like clockwork and after you made all of that fuss this morning, Joey...:laugh:...I know how you must be feeling right now, Joey...I’m so thrilled for you...:hug:..a great birthday gift, eh....

[Parmy]

Well, I think all should get it when offered.

I've just got home with my Mum after her getting the vaccine.

Oh yeah,... she wonders what the fuss was about..
I said, oh yeah really Mother.

It was excellent and went like clockwork.



I've been waiting to see this..:cheer2:


What a day eh joey:joker:

[Vicky.]

Well, I think all should get it when offered.

I've just got home with my Mum after her getting the vaccine.

Oh yeah,... she wonders what the fuss was about..
I said, oh yeah really Mother.

It was excellent and went like clockwork.

Glad to hear it joey.

Things almost never turn out as badly as you think they will in your head. Panic stations, stressing out and that, but once its done, you wonder why you were worried to start with!

[Ammi]

Glad to hear it joey.

Things almost never turn out as badly as you think they will in your head. Panic stations, stressing out and that, but once its done, you wonder why you were worried to start with!

...our heads and head monsters etc....they always leap right over those bridges and keep going to the worst case scenarios having happened, when it rarely ever does../they’re far more scary than most realities ever could be...

[Ammi]

...it is though a huge thing, we also have to acknowledge as well and anyone’s reluctance/fears/anxieties/uncertainties etc are all very genuine and have to have much respect as well...at least with the time of the rollout completing, it give time to gather thought together etc...

[joeysteele]

Thank you all for your supportive comments.

Indeed a relief on 2 points.
Getting it done and the relief knowing it is, plus now too, the apprehension of the follow up vaccine gone too.

Indeed Parmnion, what a day, I did have the thought I may not win this one but did.

I do really hope all the BAME communities do take up the vaccine.
It is important in my view now that we all do.

[hijaxers]

Grim had his this morning , all good quick and easy and didn't even feel it.

[Ammi]

Grim had his this morning , all good quick and easy and didn't even feel it.

....ughhh, such a relief for you both, Jax...:hug:...I’m so very thrilled... and a hug to Grim as well...:hug:..

[Cherie]

Grim had his this morning , all good quick and easy and didn't even feel it.

Great stuff!

[Ammi]

...it feels for so long, all I’ve heard is of people I know contracting the virus and now my texts WhatsApp groups seem to be very mixed with vaccine appointment news...:lovedup:...the light is feeling brighter...

[AnnieK]

Grim had his this morning , all good quick and easy and didn't even feel it.

Great news x

[hijaxers]

There is a massive party in Croyden ! and the clown Piers Corbyn is there with mostly Bame people ~ i feel they just don't care about anyone else.

[Oliver_W]

There is a massive party in Croyden ! and the clown Piers Corbyn is there with mostly Bame people ~ i feel they just don't care about anyone else.

Being the worst Piers and the worst Corbyn is quite an accomplishment....

[Cherie]

Meanwhile

A "wonderful, caring" nurse has died with Covid-19 in the hospital she had worked at for nearly two decades.
Estrella Catalan, 52, died on Friday at the Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital (NNUH), where she was an emergency department staff nurse.
She had been receiving treatment in the hospital's critical care complex.
Chief executive of NNUH NHS Foundation Trust, Sam Higginson, said Ms Catalan, who had worked at the hospital since 2002, "will be terribly missed".
Ms Catalan had previously been interviewed by the BBC from her intensive care bed while she was unwell with Covid-19.
Mr Higginson said: "Our deepest and heartfelt condolences are with Estrella's loved ones and friends at this very difficult time and with all those who worked alongside Estrella and knew her."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-55964742

[Parmy]

Thank you all for your supportive comments.

Indeed a relief on 2 points.
Getting it done and the relief knowing it is, plus now too, the apprehension of the follow up vaccine gone too.

Indeed Parmnion, what a day, I did have the thought I may not win this one but did.

I do really hope all the BAME communities do take up the vaccine.
It is important in my view now that we all do.



Hopefully it may end up being more of a healer than we thought.

Time we all came a little closer imo.

[AnnieK]

Meanwhile

A "wonderful, caring" nurse has died with Covid-19 in the hospital she had worked at for nearly two decades.
Estrella Catalan, 52, died on Friday at the Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital (NNUH), where she was an emergency department staff nurse.
She had been receiving treatment in the hospital's critical care complex.
Chief executive of NNUH NHS Foundation Trust, Sam Higginson, said Ms Catalan, who had worked at the hospital since 2002, "will be terribly missed".
Ms Catalan had previously been interviewed by the BBC from her intensive care bed while she was unwell with Covid-19.
Mr Higginson said: "Our deepest and heartfelt condolences are with Estrella's loved ones and friends at this very difficult time and with all those who worked alongside Estrella and knew her."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-55964742

aw I saw her interview. Sad news :sad:

[joeysteele]

Hopefully it may end up being more of a healer than we thought.

Time we all came a little closer imo.

That's a nice thought indeed.

[Stu]

My body, my choice
Granted, if the greatest risks that carried were your body running into some fencing I'd be fairly nonplussed.

Regrettably though it includes your brain. Which is allowed be quite the wally.