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Niamh.
08-02-2021, 10:53 AM
Thoughts? I haven't seen I may Destroy you so I can't compare the two. I did watch Emily in Paris and I enjoyed it but tbf it was a bit hhhmmm "fluffy" easy watching, I wouldn't have said it was award worthy really
Emily in Paris star Lily Collins caught up in a race-hate storm with furious fans of snubbed I May Destroy You actress Michaela Coel
Lily Collins targeted by online trolls after being nominated for a Golden Globe
Trolls believed that I May Destroy You's Michaela Coel was unfairly overlooked
Trolls claim Lily Collins was picked for being white and daughter of Phil Collins
Emily In Paris star Lily Collins has found herself at the centre of a race storm after she was nominated for a prestigious Golden Globe award ahead of a black actress.
The 31-year-old was targeted by online trolls who felt Michaela Coel had been unfairly overlooked for her role in the ground-breaking BBC drama I May Destroy You.
In a barrage of social media posts, they claimed that Ms Collins was shortlisted because she is white, while Ms Coel missed out because she is black. Cyber-bullies also alleged that Ms Collins was nominated simply because she has a famous father – pop star Phil Collins.
Netflix’s Emily In Paris is also up for best comedy series, but the critically acclaimed I May Destroy You did not receive any nominations. Within minutes of the Hollywood shortlists being revealed last Wednesday, Twitter users were alleging racism. One wrote: ‘If you don’t think white supremacy is real, Emily In Paris is nominated for a Golden Globe.’
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/02/06/20/38965806-9232043-image-a-1_1612644023619.jpg
Another said: ‘What people don’t understand about racism is that it’s not a by-product. The globes panel didn’t nominate I May Destroy You because they didn’t think it was good because Michaela is black and thought Emily In Paris was good because Lily Collins is white. They KNOW which was better!’
And another added that ‘Lily Collins being here is pure nepotism and racism.’ One even outrageously made the false claim that Ms Collins had paid for her nomination.
Ms Collins has previously acknowledged her privilege. Amid protests over the death of George Floyd after he was restrained by police in Minneapolis last year, she wrote: ‘I am white, I am privileged. I will never experience what black people in America go through every single day, but I am listening and I am learning. I march with you and will fight with you.’
She is also a celebrity ambassador for Bystander Revolution, the anti-bullying organisation set up by MacKenzie Scott, the ex-wife of Amazon founder Jeff Bezos.
In an irony that may have been lost on the trolls, Ms Collins and Ms Coel would never have been vying for the same prize anyway as Emily In Paris is eligible in the musical or comedy categories, while I May Destroy You falls under the drama section.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9232043/Lily-Collins-caught-race-hate-storm-furious-fans-snubbed-Michaela-Coel.html?ito=social-facebook&fbclid=IwAR381QSSHWWSXumpOzhKAgO9YDKMdRuNXtUnoR7_W mbw2m9-mQSBbZRPi8Y
smudgie
08-02-2021, 10:58 AM
Strewth.:fist:
Not even the same category.
...I May Destroy You is probably one of the best things I’ve ever watched, it really is incredibly thought provoking in so many ways, it would have been a great nomination...(...I haven’t seen the nominations yet...)...so many people have recommended Emily in Paris to me, it has been a bit raved about with friends but I’ve yet to watch it...
Niamh.
08-02-2021, 11:02 AM
Strewth.:fist:
Not even the same category.
Ah yeah I see that,now, I wonder why they're picking on her then if they wouldn't have even been in the same category? Surely they should have been looking at the Drama category? It seems more like she was an easy target to rant at
Niamh.
08-02-2021, 11:05 AM
Why not pick one of these actresses? (also all white tbf)
BEST PERFORMANCE BY AN ACTRESS IN A TELEVISION SERIES – DRAMA
OLIVIA COLMAN THE CROWN
JODIE COMER KILLING EVE
EMMA CORRIN THE CROWN
LAURA LINNEY OZARK
SARAH PAULSON RATCHED
Why not pick one of these actresses? (also all white tbf)
BEST PERFORMANCE BY AN ACTRESS IN A TELEVISION SERIES – DRAMA
OLIVIA COLMAN THE CROWN
JODIE COMER KILLING EVE
EMMA CORRIN THE CROWN
LAURA LINNEY OZARK
SARAH PAULSON RATCHED
...because they’re not Phil Collins’ daughters...?...
Niamh.
08-02-2021, 11:11 AM
...because they’re not Phil Collins’ daughters...?...
They're not but they are the ones who Michaela Coel would have been competing for a spot with
Captain.Remy
08-02-2021, 11:12 AM
Why target Lily Collins though? She's doing her job as an actress. She's not the one in charge of the nominations.
As Ammi said, I May Destroy You is so incredible that it deserved some nominations.
Crimson Dynamo
08-02-2021, 11:12 AM
One more white....
...in the best television series/Musical or Comedy...Emily in Paris and Schitt’s Creek are the only two I’ve heard of and I haven’t watched either...
AnnieK
08-02-2021, 11:13 AM
I didn't even know she was Phil Collins daughter...
Niamh.
08-02-2021, 11:13 AM
...in the best television series/Musical or Comedy...Emily in Paris and Schitt’s Creek are the only two I’ve heard of and I haven’t watched either...
Schitt's Creek has gotten rave reviews, I watched 1 episode and it didn't grab me but apparently you need to give it a few episodes. Emily in Paris is quite good, very easy watching
Brother Leon
08-02-2021, 11:17 AM
Emily in Paris is so bad. Like cringeworthy bad tbf.
Niamh.
08-02-2021, 11:19 AM
Emily in Paris is so bad. Like cringeworthy bad tbf.
:laugh:
Gav pretended he didn't like it but I caught him having a few laughs when it was on
Schitt's Creek has gotten rave reviews, I watched 1 episode and it didn't grab me but apparently you need to give it a few episodes. Emily in Paris is quite good, very easy watching
...yeah my friends have recommended Emily as being a nice watch, I will get round to it sometimes...I watched a movie last night called Late Night, I don’t know if you’ve seen it...but one of the characters is ‘selected’ for a job as TV writer specifically because she’s female and because of her ethnicity as well..that’s just a by the by....
Niamh.
08-02-2021, 11:23 AM
...yeah my friends have recommended Emily as being a nice watch, I will get round to it sometimes...I watched a movie last night called Late Night, I don’t know if you’ve seen it...but one of the characters is ‘selected’ for a job as TV writer specifically because she’s female and because of her ethnicity as well..that’s just a by the by....
Is it on Netflix?
...a flu vaccine won’t have the same effectiveness with every flu variant and there will always be new flu virus variants as well..?...but it hugely helps in protecting the more vulnerable and minimising it...?...there will surely never be any ‘one for all vaccine’ in equal protection but I would say ‘less effective’ is quite misleading as well...as endless variants may/will still evolve...
Oliver_W
08-02-2021, 11:29 AM
Saying things like that is no different to saying "you're only nominated because they need a black on the list"
Saying her show was bad or she's not a great actress is fair (I've not seen it so I don't know if either is true) but trying to dampen someone's accomplishments because of surface-level traits is just rotten.
Is it on Netflix?
...yeah, I didn’t see it on Saturday so I think it was just new on there yesterday...it’s a nice watch...
Niamh.
08-02-2021, 11:31 AM
I do want to watch I May Destroy You, now though if I can find it anywhere
Niamh.
08-02-2021, 11:32 AM
...yeah, I didn’t see it on Saturday so I think it was just new on there yesterday...it’s a nice watch...
Thanks Ammi, always looking for a decent film to watch
I do want to watch I May Destroy You, now though if I can find it anywhere
...I know that you’ll love it, it’s so your thing...I watched it on BBC iplayer, which I know that you can’t access...I think it’s on HBO as well, is that something you can get...?...
arista
08-02-2021, 11:38 AM
Yes she is White
and her Dad was a Drummer,
but due to Nerve damage
he can no longer play for long.
user104658
08-02-2021, 11:47 AM
Would need to see both to pass judgement and I've seen neither... I'd prefer films/entertainment to be considered purely in their merit in isolation, personally, but that rarely happens. In both senses, let's face it... E.g. Black Panther being elevated beyond what it objectively was (mediocre mid-phase by the numbers Marvel origin story) because of wider social context.
Though it's all moot in this case as they're not in the same category, making it seem like a rather pointless outrage. If it really is great then I'd say almost certainly either of the Crown nominees would be a suitable substitute for the claims of bias because while I like The Crown and all of the acting is good/highly competent, I'm struggling to think of what makes it award-worthy...
If they were in the same category then there might be a point to be made... But the one facing backlash didn't take the spot :think:.
It's like interviewing for a job then claiming you didn't get it due to bias, because someone's kid got ... A completely different job at another company.
Cherie
08-02-2021, 11:50 AM
Paul Mescall / Normal People should have received a nom :hmph:
UserSince2005
08-02-2021, 11:53 AM
disgusting, Emily in Paris was great,
Michaela Coel needs to denounce her BLM warriors right now.
...just looking at some of the nominations...lovely to see Bob Odenkirk for Better Call Saul...:lovedup:..but I thought that would have been a nomination from a previous year...also Al Pacino for Hunters...:love:...but James Corden for Prom is an odd one...is Phil Collins his dad...?...
Niamh.
08-02-2021, 12:07 PM
...just looking at some of the nominations...lovely to see Bob Odenkirk for Better Call Saul...:lovedup:..but I thought that would have been a nomination from a previous year...also Al Pacino for Hunters...:love:...but James Corden for Prom is an odd one...is Phil Collins his dad...?...
:laugh2:
The only good thing about the Golden Globes was Ricky Gervais presenting it lets be honest
Nick.
08-02-2021, 12:09 PM
Yeah here are all the acting Golden Globe nominees (both TV & film)
https://i.imgur.com/AglJCEB.png
It's probably worth noting that Emily In Paris/Lily Collins were competing in TV Comedy category. Comedy categories are often a lot easier to break into (Hence Sia's Music noms) - Not that it makes Michaela Coel's/IMDY snubs any better.
Niamh.
08-02-2021, 12:11 PM
Yeah here are all the acting Golden Globe nominees (both TV & film)
https://i.imgur.com/AglJCEB.png
It's probably worth noting that Emily In Paris/Lily Collins were competing in TV Comedy category. Comedy categories are often a lot easier to break into (Hence Sia's Music noms) - Not that it makes Michaela Coel's/IMDY snubs any better.
That does make it look bad, I think they just targeted the wrong person really
Vanessa
08-02-2021, 12:55 PM
I love Phil Collins. He was so amazing the last time I saw him sing live :love:
James
08-02-2021, 01:14 PM
Awards shows like the Globes and Oscars are very political. I mean political in the sense that studios and channels have to spend money on campaigns to make their films and TV shows visible and get the attention of voters.
The Golden Globes have a reputation for nominating people they want to see at their ceremony.
I do want to watch I May Destroy You, now though if I can find it anywhere
It's on Sky Go according to Justwatch - https://www.justwatch.com/ie/tv-series/i-may-destroy-you
The Slim Reaper
08-02-2021, 01:15 PM
Yes she is White
and her Dad was a Drummer,
but due to Nerve damage
he can no longer play for long.
I'm glad someone has cut through all the noise to draw out the important part of the story.
Niamh.
08-02-2021, 01:17 PM
Awards shows like the Globes and Oscars are very political. I mean political in the sense that studios and channels have to spend money on campaigns to make their films and TV shows visible and get the attention of voters.
The Golden Globes have a reputation for nominating people they want to see at their ceremony.
Which is why Ricky was such an hilarious host :laugh:
It's on Sky Go according to Justwatch - https://www.justwatch.com/ie/tv-series/i-may-destroy-you
I don't have Sky Go :(
Tom4784
08-02-2021, 02:04 PM
It's an unjust reaction to target the actress but Emily In Paris getting nominated is fairly ridiculous, as is the IMDY snub.
Nicky91
08-02-2021, 02:47 PM
i liked her in that movie Abduction
UserSince2005
08-02-2021, 02:56 PM
It's an unjust reaction to target the actress but Emily In Paris getting nominated is fairly ridiculous, as is the IMDY snub.
the show brought the joy of an adventure in paris to many around the world. it was a true inspiration in these dark times.
Brother Leon
08-02-2021, 03:08 PM
This snub still isn’t as bad as Delroy Lindo for best Actor. One of the best recent performances I have seen, never mind of the year.
ive heard so many times through the ages, why wsn't so and so nominated, why didnt that wonderful picture win. I find the awards to all be meaningless drivel.
Niamh.
08-02-2021, 03:26 PM
ive heard so many times through the ages, why wsn't so and so nominated, why didnt that wonderful picture win. I find the awards to all be meaningless drivel.
Yes but it's clear black women (and black men) but we're talking specifically about women here, are massively under represented. I think as a woman, I can certainly appreciate that, considering women as whole are so under represented in a lot of ways in that industry.
Shaun
08-02-2021, 03:38 PM
I would normally hesitate to lump in on an actress but there's no denying she's got where she is today because of the wealth of her father. She's been afforded so many opportunities others (particularly BAME) are not, and the end result is some terrible acting in a terrible show. I would feel sympathy for Collins if she had performed well, but Emily in Paris is absolute garbage of the smelliest and foulest order.
The Globes in particular have an extremely shoddy reputation for being bought (Ricky Gervais even alluded to it multiple times when hosting... you can shrug it off as a joke but he wasn't exactly "joking" about Mel Gibson being an alcoholic antisemite, or RDJ having drug issues, or Johnny Depp not caring about the films he's paid to star in). I do enjoy watching them because they used to be fairly accurate in knowing what to celebrate on TV, but ever since the streaming age came about they just seem to have been thrown completely for a loop.
It just makes no sense: Emily in Paris has a score of 58 (out of 100) on Metacritic, meaning it's been rated as a show even worse than "Warrior Nun" and "The Lego Star Wars Holiday Special" :umm2:
Niamh.
08-02-2021, 03:40 PM
I would normally hesitate to lump in on an actress but there's no denying she's got where she is today because of the wealth of her father. She's been afforded so many opportunities others (particularly BAME) are not, and the end result is some terrible acting in a terrible show. I would feel sympathy for Collins if she had performed well, but Emily in Paris is absolute garbage of the smelliest and foulest order.
The Globes in particular have an extremely shoddy reputation for being bought (Ricky Gervais even alluded to it multiple times when hosting... you can shrug it off as a joke but he wasn't exactly "joking" about Mel Gibson being an alcoholic antisemite, or RDJ having drug issues, or Johnny Depp not caring about the films he's paid to star in). I do enjoy watching them because they used to be fairly accurate in knowing what to celebrate on TV, but ever since the streaming age came about they just seem to have been thrown completely for a loop.
Literally everything that Ricky Gervais said in the last Golden Globes Monologue was true.
hijaxers
08-02-2021, 03:59 PM
...in the best television series/Musical or Comedy...Emily in Paris and Schitt’s Creek are the only two I’ve heard of and I haven’t watched either...
Schitts creek is a total binge watch We loved it and got addicted , we'll prob re watch it.
hijaxers
08-02-2021, 04:01 PM
...I May Destroy You is probably one of the best things I’ve ever watched, it really is incredibly thought provoking in so many ways, it would have been a great nomination...(...I haven’t seen the nominations yet...)...so many people have recommended Emily in Paris to me, it has been a bit raved about with friends but I’ve yet to watch it...
I thought I may destroy you was absolutely brilliant and she is an excellent actress.
thesheriff443
08-02-2021, 05:10 PM
One more white....
Please give me
The Slim Reaper
08-02-2021, 05:20 PM
I just had to google whether warrior nun was an actual show :laugh:
Niamh.
08-02-2021, 05:22 PM
I just had to google whether warrior nun was an actual show :laugh:
I actually watched it, it wasn't even that bad :laugh:
Niamh.
08-02-2021, 05:22 PM
Oh Lock down :p
The Slim Reaper
08-02-2021, 05:34 PM
I actually watched it, it wasn't even that bad :laugh:
Just watched a show synopsis on YT, and I think I'll give it a miss.
Amy Jade
08-02-2021, 05:44 PM
I don't really get why Lily is being targeted as they are in different categories. Michaela Coel 100% deserved a nod for IMDY but it feels unjust to go after one actress specifically.
As for Emily in Paris I really enjoyed it but it was fluff and I totally understand it'd detractors but I thought Lily did a great job.
Oliver_W
09-02-2021, 09:08 AM
Literally everything that Ricky Gervais said in the last Golden Globes Monologue was true.
The Globes in particular have an extremely shoddy reputation for being bought (Ricky Gervais even alluded to it multiple times when hosting... you can shrug it off as a joke but he wasn't exactly "joking" about Mel Gibson being an alcoholic antisemite, or RDJ having drug issues, or Johnny Depp not caring about the films he's paid to star in). I do enjoy watching them because they used to be fairly accurate in knowing what to celebrate on TV, but ever since the streaming age came about they just seem to have been thrown completely for a loop.
All Hollywood award shows are basically a big circle-jerk at this point, why would anyone care about not being invited to the Cool Kids' Lunch Table?
Cherie
09-02-2021, 09:32 AM
off the back of this I have started watching IMDY so thank you TiBB :love:
Mystic Mock
09-02-2021, 10:08 AM
...I May Destroy You is probably one of the best things I’ve ever watched, it really is incredibly thought provoking in so many ways, it would have been a great nomination...(...I haven’t seen the nominations yet...)...so many people have recommended Emily in Paris to me, it has been a bit raved about with friends but I’ve yet to watch it...
No offence but I May Destroy You seems to have a really toxic fandom.:laugh:
Niamh.
09-02-2021, 10:11 AM
All Hollywood award shows are basically a big circle-jerk at this point, why would anyone care about not being invited to the Cool Kids' Lunch Table?
Because if you're in that field you want to be recognised for outstanding achievements the same as everyone else? It's easy for us to say it's a load of **** but it's their jobs I guess and it's an unfair system
Because if you're in that field you want to be recognised for outstanding achievements the same as everyone else? It's easy for us to say it's a load of **** but it's their jobs I guess and it's an unfair systemThen give them an award if that's all they want. It doesn't need to be televised at some posh doo, with a red carpet and hired frocks, and with an after party, with a free bar.
user104658
09-02-2021, 10:57 AM
Having been to a number of awards ceremonies (student/professional, not media :joker: ), frankly they're all circle-jerks and the awards are handed out mostly on the grounds of nepotism or because of some agenda or other of the award-giver. Half the time they don't even go to the most deserving nominee.
Niamh.
09-02-2021, 11:04 AM
Having been to a number of awards ceremonies (student/professional, not media :joker: ), frankly they're all circle-jerks and the awards are handed out mostly on the grounds of nepotism or because of some agenda or other of the award-giver. Half the time they don't even go to the most deserving nominee.
The ones where the public votes are probably the most fair
Nick.
09-02-2021, 11:20 AM
The ones where the public votes are probably the most fair
Tbf considering The Kissing Booth 2 won Best Comedy Film and Tiffany Haddish won The Female Movie Star for Like A Boss at the 2020 People's Choice Award's I'd probably disagree.
Niamh.
09-02-2021, 11:26 AM
Tbf considering The Kissing Booth 2 won Best Comedy Film and Tiffany Haddish won The Female Movie Star for Like A Boss at the 2020 People's Choice Award's I'd probably disagree.
:laugh2:
Ok but films are made for the public to watch, if that's what the people enjoyed most (even though they wouldn't be my choices either) then surely that's a fair system?
Shaun
09-02-2021, 11:57 AM
The ones where the public votes are probably the most fair
ah but then you get the National Television Awards and the British public continually handing out awards to Ant and Dec, Mrs. Brown's Boys and bloody This Morning
James
09-02-2021, 12:26 PM
Let's be honest, turning acting into a competition is a bit ridiculous. I mean how are you meant to compare them?
user104658
09-02-2021, 12:32 PM
The ones where the public votes are probably the most fair
I think if so, it would have to be a selection of the public who have all watched all of the films ... just because, popular doesn't necessarily mean high quality, and it would be utter trash winning pretty much everything :joker:. Don't get me wrong, I actually love trash movies & TV, but objectively you still know when something is higher quality/award worthy.
But yeah I do agree that a "randomly selected" panel of people is always going to be a more objective judgment than an established group with conflicting interests.
James
09-02-2021, 12:36 PM
Yeah, in public votes people will only vote for what they have seen.
A bit like me in Alf's 2000's sitcoms poll.
Niamh.
09-02-2021, 12:39 PM
Yeah that's true I guess.
Yeah, in public votes people will only vote for what they have seen.
A bit like me in Alf's 2000's sitcoms poll.Alf's polls are far more reliable than any Baftas or Golden Globes. No cheating in Alf's polls, the best wins.
DouglasS
09-02-2021, 01:41 PM
Actress throwing her toys out the pram and being arrogant claiming to be the best
Niamh.
09-02-2021, 01:43 PM
Actress throwing her toys out the pram and being arrogant claiming to be the best
She didn't though, her fans did
Tom4784
09-02-2021, 04:22 PM
Then give them an award if that's all they want. It doesn't need to be televised at some posh doo, with a red carpet and hired frocks, and with an after party, with a free bar.
It's their awards, their money and they can throw as much of a party as they want to, tbh. No one is forcing you to watch.
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