View Full Version : 5 British Villages built with Slave Trade money
arista
08-02-2021, 11:32 AM
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paper review The Times.
Brockhurst (Hampshire)
Deptford (London)
Blankney (Lincolnshire)
Bishop Burton (Yorkshire)
Nunnington (Yorkshire)
This was years ago.
Its part of our History
https://news.sky.com/story/historic-england-lists-villages-that-have-ties-to-the-slave-trade-12211768
https://e3.365dm.com/21/02/768x432/2372102070263607207_5264955.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20210207164611
Yes Fella, get that off.
UserSince2005
08-02-2021, 11:41 AM
demolish them! all the problems slave trading has caused for a few people to get rich.
Cherie
08-02-2021, 11:41 AM
Raze them to the ground?
Oliver_W
08-02-2021, 11:58 AM
What's the point in publishing this information? Why would anyone care?
All this kind of thing does is encourage idiots to commit vandalism.
Jessica.
08-02-2021, 12:04 PM
Maybe officials from the villages could speak out about the bad past of the places and make minorities feel more welcome?
What's the point in publishing this information? Why would anyone care?
All this kind of thing does is encourage idiots to commit vandalism.
.. because of the preservation funding, I would reckon...the report would have been asked for and would have to be published and open to the public as The Department of Culture is funding £88.5 million ...
Redway
08-02-2021, 12:12 PM
What's the point in publishing this information? Why would anyone care?
All this kind of thing does is encourage idiots to commit vandalism.
Why would anyone care?
Cherie
08-02-2021, 12:13 PM
Maybe officials from the villages could speak out about the bad past of the places and make minorities feel more welcome?
Do we know they don't feel welcome?
Jessica.
08-02-2021, 12:17 PM
Do we know they don't feel welcome?
Well the graffitti is one indicator.
arista
08-02-2021, 12:21 PM
demolish them! all the problems slave trading has caused for a few people to get rich.
No Way.
Its just our History
put a sign up,for your worry.
arista
08-02-2021, 12:23 PM
What's the point in publishing this information? Why would anyone care?
All this kind of thing does is encourage idiots to commit vandalism.
Yes there are Political troublemakers
searching everything,
Oliver_W
08-02-2021, 12:25 PM
.. because of the preservation funding, I would reckon...the report would have been asked for and would have to be published and open to the public as The Department of Culture is funding £88.5 million ...
Buildings should be preserved, a questionable history isn't an excuse to yank their funding.
Crimson Dynamo
08-02-2021, 12:26 PM
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSnstxVkLzbfuzwy1qKuvZKjeCo3LmCc JQGXA&usqp=CAU
Buildings should be preserved, a questionable history isn't an excuse to yank their funding.
...you asked why publish the information, what the point of it was, why anyone would care...:laugh:...because it’s being largely funded for its preservation, a report of allocation/spending etc has to exist and it has to be published, Oliver...
Oliver_W
08-02-2021, 12:30 PM
...you asked why publish the information, what the point of it was, why anyone would care...:laugh:...because it’s being largely funded for its preservation, a report of allocation/spending etc has to exist and it has to be published, Oliver...
Fair, but why does the links with slavery even need to come into it? It makes no real difference at this point.
Cherie
08-02-2021, 12:31 PM
Well the graffitti is one indicator.
so Racists are spraying BLM on buildings?
Oliver_W
08-02-2021, 12:35 PM
Maybe officials from the villages could speak out about the bad past of the places and make minorities feel more welcome?
That'd be rather condescending.
"Don't worry, black people, you are welcome here!!!"
It's pretty much implied that anyone is welcome anywhere these days, it doesn't need to be stated. If anyone made a big show of talking about the evils of past homophobia and how gays are welcome, that'd be the kind of weirdo I'd stay far away from...
Fair, but why does the links with slavery even need to come into it? It makes no real difference at this point.
...well, it might have some bearing and relevance in any protection of buildings as well as it would all be a part of preservation...?...and especially if any purposeful damage has been a thing....and any possible heightened local feelings in these locations/local social media...these things could all have had a bearing on how funding is allocated, so may have been mentioned in the report...we just don’t know, really...
armand.kay
08-02-2021, 12:45 PM
What's the point in publishing this information? Why would anyone care?
All this kind of thing does is encourage idiots to commit vandalism.
Your solution is that Britain just continues to sweep its ties to slavery under the rug?
Oliver_W
08-02-2021, 12:50 PM
Your solution is that Britain just continues to sweep its ties to slavery under the rug?
What's your solution then?
We're not America, the results of slavery aren't still felt today.
UserSince2005
08-02-2021, 12:50 PM
Your solution is that Britain just continues to sweep its ties to slavery under the rug?
Exactly we need to name and shame all those people who got rich for a fast buck 300 years ago causing all these social problems we experience today.
Their families need to be stripped of their wealth.
And the money can go towards solving these problems.
UserSince2005
08-02-2021, 12:51 PM
What's your solution then?
We're not America, the results of slavery aren't still felt today.
have you seen the BLM protests? Of course the results of slavery are still being felt today.
arista
08-02-2021, 12:51 PM
Your solution is that Britain just continues to sweep its ties to slavery under the rug?
No Armand
We put up Educational Sign's
for you to read.
arista
08-02-2021, 12:52 PM
Exactly we need to name and shame all those people who got rich for a fast buck 300 years ago causing all these social problems we experience today.
Their families need to be stripped of their wealth.
And the money can go towards solving these problems.
Sure
they are all dead and gone
UserSince2005
08-02-2021, 12:54 PM
Sure
they are all dead and gone
Their families still benefit from the wealth of their actions.
Oliver_W
08-02-2021, 12:56 PM
have you seen the BLM protests? Of course the results of slavery are still being felt today.
Like I said, we're not America.
People here protesting about police brutality abroad is a separate issue.
arista
08-02-2021, 12:59 PM
Their families still benefit from the wealth of their actions.
You can not stop that.
Its our British Empire History.
Oliver_W
08-02-2021, 01:03 PM
Their families still benefit from the wealth of their actions.
Lucky them. But at this point, no-one in the UK is worse of because a long forgotten ancestor was a slave.
The Slim Reaper
08-02-2021, 01:13 PM
Like I said, we're not America.
People here protesting about police brutality abroad is a separate issue.
Our history with slavery is just as brutal. we used to own all the slave transport contracts, for one.
user104658
08-02-2021, 01:48 PM
It's complicated really because, let's face it, every mining village/town in the UK was also built off the back of exploitation... and that's a hell of a lot of them.
user104658
08-02-2021, 01:53 PM
Lucky them. But at this point, no-one in the UK is worse of because a long forgotten ancestor was a slave.
Hmmmm this is a complicated statement to make. Are people of ethnic minorities in the UK in absolute terms worse off today than they would be otherwise? Perhaps not, I'm sure there are arguments for it, bt it's questionable.
However... in relative terms? Yes, ethnic minorities (as well as working class and even middle class white folx) absolutely are comparatively worse off because of the slave trade... as there are still plenty of wealthy white people in the UK who gained vast portions of their wealth through the slave trade.
I wonder if you think "a few hundred years" is longer than it actually is? Like the era of slavery is "ancient" history? It's only a handful of generations.
arista
08-02-2021, 02:24 PM
It's complicated really because, let's face it, every mining village/town in the UK was also built off the back of exploitation... and that's a hell of a lot of them.
Yes.
The British Empire was
worlds biggest power
it was a great time if you were British.
Oliver_W
08-02-2021, 02:24 PM
Our history with slavery is just as brutal. we used to own all the slave transport contracts, for one.
"We" weren't alive at the time, it was our ancestors.
arista
08-02-2021, 02:39 PM
Like I said, we're not America.
People here protesting about police brutality abroad is a separate issue.
Yes we used to run America
Tom4784
08-02-2021, 03:26 PM
We must acknowledge our past fully, not try to sweep it under the rug because it's unpleasant. It's certainly not the place of white people to tell others whether or not they should simply move on.
We as a country profited from the Slave Trade and the empire left the world in a worse state than it was before it was a thing. Acting annoyed because you can't handle the dark parts of your own history is just the height of immaturity. The arrogance of this country is a constant source of irritation for me, we're think we're perfect, beyond blame, but we're not. Our history is vile and telling people to get over it instead of accepting that, for many people, we were the bad guys is just gross.
We can't look down on America and go 'This isn't America' because we helped the slave trade grow, it's as much a stain on our history as it is America's.
arista
08-02-2021, 03:54 PM
"We must acknowledge our past fully"
Yes Educational Big Sign
outside at the start of the Great Villages.
OK Dezzy.
Crimson Dynamo
08-02-2021, 04:03 PM
isnt this what schools and history classes are for?
i wonder how many of the keyboard outrage warriors actually listened in History instead of dicking about?
lol
arista
08-02-2021, 04:18 PM
isnt this what schools and history classes are for?
i wonder how many of the keyboard outrage warriors actually listened in History instead of dicking about?
lol
Yes
But lets keep folks like Dezzy
happy, with a Big sign
outside the villages
The Slim Reaper
08-02-2021, 04:24 PM
Yes
But lets keep folks like Dezzy
happy, with a Big sign
outside the villages
Our history lessons don't really teach these subjects in depth. Ask most British people what they actually learned about the slave trade, and they will basically tell you that Wilberforce saved them all and little else.
Crimson Dynamo
08-02-2021, 04:27 PM
Yes
But lets keep folks like Dezzy
happy, with a Big sign
outside the villages
I have made a sign that can be used
https://imgk.timesnownews.com/media/jackie_weaver_memes.jpg
arista
08-02-2021, 04:36 PM
Our history lessons don't really teach these subjects in depth. Ask most British people what they actually learned about the slave trade, and they will basically tell you that Wilberforce saved them all and little else.
Yes so the New big signs
can be filled with new information
on the History of each Village.
UserSince2005
08-02-2021, 04:41 PM
We must acknowledge our past fully, not try to sweep it under the rug because it's unpleasant. It's certainly not the place of white people to tell others whether or not they should simply move on.
We as a country profited from the Slave Trade and the empire left the world in a worse state than it was before it was a thing. Acting annoyed because you can't handle the dark parts of your own history is just the height of immaturity. The arrogance of this country is a constant source of irritation for me, we're think we're perfect, beyond blame, but we're not. Our history is vile and telling people to get over it instead of accepting that, for many people, we were the bad guys is just gross.
We can't look down on America and go 'This isn't America' because we helped the slave trade grow, it's as much a stain on our history as it is America's.
The British Empire was glorious.
I suspect every country in the world will have a dark past if you delve deep enough..
Let it go peeps...get it go.
Our history with slavery is just as brutal. we used to own all the slave transport contracts, for one.Actually owning slaves has always been illegal here, it says so in the Magna Carta. While some wealthy, upper-class business men may have traded to make their money, we has a nation of people have never took part in slavery.
In terms of anti-slavery, we probably rank the number 1 country in the World.
The Slim Reaper
08-02-2021, 08:21 PM
Actually owning slaves has always been illegal here, it says so in the Magna Carta. While some wealthy, upper-class business men may have traded to make their money, we has a nation of people have never took part in slavery. In terms of anti-slavery, we probably rank the number 1 country in the World.
Magna Carta hasn't been relevant for centuries, which is why the covid-denying, anti-mask movement was mercilessly mocked for it's invocation of the MC a few months ago.
Us and Portugal were the main movers of slaves, which means we went to Africa, either traded for, or rounded humans up, and then took them to America to sell and trade. If you think that's not taking part, then I don't know what to tell you. That's also the abridged version, which means I've omitted a lot of the details of what happened during those times.
Crimson Dynamo
08-02-2021, 08:26 PM
its just another
rich people (who employ you and take risks) bad
poor people good scenario
lol
The Slim Reaper
08-02-2021, 09:19 PM
its just another
rich people (who employ you and take risks) bad
poor people good scenario
lol
What does this even mean in this thread?
rusticgal
09-02-2021, 12:50 AM
It’s History...some of it was ugly and inhumane.. but it’s done and dusted. Let’s learn from it and move on.
Oliver_W
09-02-2021, 09:12 AM
It’s History...some of it was ugly and inhumane.. but it’s done and dusted. Let’s learn from it and move on.
No, you don't understand. History lessons need to be devoted to telling kids how awful the country they were born in used to be before living memory, and town mayors need to make big speeches to apologise!!!
...I agree that the past shouldn’t be erased and that it’s there for learning and understanding...with any historical figure, it’s important to know the person who I’d being tributes with things like statues etc... because that image/that likening means nothing ...anyways, specific to this article and thread...?....the report was obviously requested and written because of the substantial funding being given ...I don’t know what the local ethnic communities are but the thing with that would be to balance it and also give such funding to local ethnic youth projects and charities...because surely that would help define the progressions from unpleasants of the past...
Tom4784
09-02-2021, 04:04 PM
Our history lessons don't really teach these subjects in depth. Ask most British people what they actually learned about the slave trade, and they will basically tell you that Wilberforce saved them all and little else.
I never even learned about our role in the slave trade at all. I only learned about it aftewards. We teach people the version of history that paints us in the best light and it's bull****.
Scarlett.
09-02-2021, 04:30 PM
As were the Pyramids, and 99% of the world. Though acknowledging it is a good thing.
Scarlett.
09-02-2021, 04:31 PM
No, you don't understand. History lessons need to be devoted to telling kids how awful the country they were born in used to be before living memory
Unironically, this. History should teach us how bad things were in the past, so that we can learn from the mistakes of those who came before us, that is why history is important to begin with.
Tom4784
09-02-2021, 04:36 PM
No, you don't understand. History lessons need to be devoted to telling kids how awful the country they were born in used to be before living memory, and town mayors need to make big speeches to apologise!!!
The entitlement of this post.
Livia
10-02-2021, 02:22 PM
Slaves have built, or the proceeds of the slave trade has funded, buildings and institutions all over the world. The pyramids, the Great Wall of China, the Taj Mahal. The Whitehouse was built by slaves, as was the Capitol Building, even the statue on top of the Capitol was made by a slave. Wall Street, named after an actual wall built by slaves, was the biggest slave market in the US. BMW, Audi, Volkswagen all used slave labour and are still trading healthily today along with numerous other German companies. Most people I know are quite knowledgeable about the slave trade. My husband, born and educated in the US, was taught about the slave trade. I think that's all we can do, know what happened and know that it's still happening, and try to bring about an end to it.
...it would be nice to also invest in funding for local black youth projects etc as well to promote and further equality....that might already be being done, but it’s important that it’s known to be actively so ...as well as the funding for the preservations...
DouglasS
10-02-2021, 03:21 PM
Time to burn down these villages I think, leave no survivors
rusticgal
10-02-2021, 05:57 PM
No, you don't understand. History lessons need to be devoted to telling kids how awful the country they were born in used to be before living memory, and town mayors need to make big speeches to apologise!!!
Thats why I said 'Learn from it'....its part of our History so it shouldnt be shoved under the Carpet.
However....I really dont see the need for Town Mayors to make big speeches apologising....
rusticgal
10-02-2021, 05:57 PM
Time to burn down these villages I think, leave no survivors
:laugh:
Oliver_W
10-02-2021, 06:57 PM
The pyramids, the Great Wall of China, the Taj Mahal.
Egypt, China, and India need to apologise and self-flagellate immediately!!! :fist:
Vicky.
10-02-2021, 07:03 PM
Apparently dubai was built (and continues to be built really) by slaves. Its somewhere I always wanted to go, but the history..puts me off a bit. Even moreso while its apparently ongoing..
Oliver_W
10-02-2021, 07:48 PM
Apparently dubai was built (and continues to be built really) by slaves. Its somewhere I always wanted to go, but the history..puts me off a bit. Even moreso while its apparently ongoing..
Yup, some countries still continue to be disgusting.
In Dubai, or rather UAE (Dubai is a city) you can be arrested and tortured for being gay. The BBC saw fit to spend to fukkton of money to film a Doctor Who special there, in the modern day centre of slavery and homophobia ... RTD couldn't even go on the shoot there!
I think we should nuke Germany.
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