The pres of campaign for France to leave the EU says Vaccine rollout is a shambles..

[Crimson Dynamo]

The president of the campaign for France to leave the EU says the European Commission's "terrible" vaccine rollout management is the best advert for Frexit.

Should France leave?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1400369/Emmanuel-Macron-Frexit-referendum-election-European-Union-Gallois-France-latest-news-vn

[The Slim Reaper]

Fortunately for the French, they've watched the disaster over here, and they haven't had Murdoch ramming bendy bananas down their throats for 20 years. The EU is extremely popular in France, so won't be happening anytime soon.

[Crimson Dynamo]

the "disaster" never happened

much to the chagrin of the extreme left

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/139/590x/secondary/Covid-vaccination-live-2911158.webp?r=1613651488638

[Alf]

Fortunately for the French, they've watched the disaster over here, and they haven't had Murdoch ramming bendy bananas down their throats for 20 years. The EU is extremely popular in France, so won't be happening anytime soon.:laugh:

There's already a thread to tell your jokes.

[The Slim Reaper]

the "disaster" never happened

much to the chagrin of the extreme left

Errrr...what?

[The Slim Reaper]

:laugh:

There's already a thread to tell your jokes.

You said brexit was for our fishermen, but they've been completely ruined by it.

[Scarlett.]

Breaking news: Anti-EU man says the EU are bad

[DouglasS]

https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/139/590x/secondary/Covid-vaccination-live-2911158.webp?r=1613651488638

U.K. are doing incredible :clap1:

It is literally a fact that if we were part of the EU thousands more people would be dead.

[Alf]

You said brexit was for our fishermen, but they've been completely ruined by it.Balderdash

[Alf]

U.K. are doing incredible :clap1:

It is literally a fact that if we were part of the EU thousands more people would be dead.And not one word of thanks to us leavers whom saved their butts.

I don't mind, I expect it.

[The Slim Reaper]

U.K. are doing incredible :clap1:

It is literally a fact that if we were part of the EU thousands more people would be dead.

No it isn't. Brexit had nothing to do with procurement of the vaccine. Ask bots, as he tried to insinuate this, too.

[Beso]

The eu would have slowed down our vacc process, probably brought on by pure jealousy that we are and always will be one step ahead of them.

[DouglasS]

No it isn't. Brexit had nothing to do with procurement of the vaccine. Ask bots, as he tried to insinuate this, too.

There’s no way looking at that graph that that can be true, the U.K. is literally treble/quadruple all EU countries... unless the U.K. government really is that good/organised... The EU definitely slowed down the procurement

[The Slim Reaper]

There’s no way looking at that graph that that can be true, the U.K. is literally treble/quadruple all EU countries... unless the U.K. government really is that good/organised... The EU definitely slowed down the procurement

It's amazing what is and isn't true if you don't fall for confirmation bias. Forgive me, as the scientist I don't need to explain that to you. :blush:

[Smithy]

It's amazing what is and isn't true if you don't fall for confirmation bias. Forgive me, as the scientist I don't need to explain that to you. :blush:

:joker::joker::joker:



Isn’t the french rollout going poorly because so many french people are sceptical of the virus too?

[The Slim Reaper]

:joker::joker::joker:



Isn’t the french rollout going poorly because so many french people are sceptical of the virus too?

There are a few factors, but the EU have definitely done a poor job overall. Member states had the ability to go and get their own, though, so brexit EU had zero affect on the fact that our gov has so far done a decent job.

We slip quite a way down the tables when it comes to numbers who've received their 2nd jabs as well, and that's where my fear comes in.

[DouglasS]

:joker::joker::joker:



Isn’t the french rollout going poorly because so many french people are sceptical of the virus too?

Yes because that’s impacted the difference of 10M vaccinations between France and England :crazy:

That would not have a big impact at all as they’d offer the vaccines elsewhere, also the elderly have the largest uptake and so uptake issues sill not take large prevalence at the beginning of the vaccine rollout... data suggests this..

[DouglasS]

It's amazing what is and isn't true if you don't fall for confirmation bias. Forgive me, as the scientist I don't need to explain that to you. :blush:

Well you clearly are unable to understand data, as a world leading scientist I work with analysing data everyday and the data speaks for itself :hee:

the fact you are implying being part of the EU has no impact is certainly worrying, I would believe infact you are falling for confirmation bias.... because I am just going off numbers and factual infomation that is out there rather than rumours..

[The Slim Reaper]

Well you clearly are unable to understand data, as a world leading scientist I work with analysing data everyday and the data speaks for itself :hee:

the fact you are implying being part of the EU has no impact is certainly worrying, I would believe infact you are falling for confirmation bias.... because I am just going off numbers and factual infomation that is out there rather than rumours..

What kind of logic is this? I'm not really that bothered about what does/doesn't worry you, I was just correcting the nonsense that brexit is responsible for us getting the vaccine. There is absolutely nothing about that in the chart (even if the premise was true - spoiler alert, it isn't), which is the origin of the discussion.

Correlation is not causation - anyone that has to analyse data in any field should be more than aware of this fact, and again I apologise for pointing this out to a scientist of any level.

When you start a sentence with "looking at that graph, there's no way that can be true," it not only proves your confirmation bias, but it also shows that you don't really understand what it means when you try and throw it back on me, just based on nothing but the scientific theory of "I know you are, but what am I?".

I even said in my reply to Smithy, that the EU had done a poor job and we'd done a decent job, so I'm not sure where you want to go with this as that sort of removes the bias you're implying I'm holding.

[Tom4784]

I pity anyone who believes that Brexit has been a good thing, they simply have lost touch with reality and have chosen to lick the boots of Tories rather than acknowledge that those same tories told them lies and they didn't even question it. To acknowledge Brexit as a failure is to acknowledge that they have failed by supporting it while being ignorant to the reality of it all and people's egos are far too fragile for them to have the capacity of that kind of self reflection.

Breaking news: Anti-EU man says the EU are bad

Pretty much, it's a nothing article.

[Nicky91]

The president of the campaign for France to leave the EU says the European Commission's "terrible" vaccine rollout management is the best advert for Frexit.

Should France leave?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1400369/Emmanuel-Macron-Frexit-referendum-election-European-Union-Gallois-France-latest-news-vn

Anti-EU agenda by the british, how not surpising :idc:


i don't trust the vaccines so far, my mom doesn't trust the vaccines either, when we read about nasty side effects


also more worrying is UK's how many 16 or 17 million vaccinations done, hope you got enough jabs for their second dose, and hope you guys are aware you have to do this every year now, same as a normal flu jab, sooo i hope you guys indeed have enough doses in storage


also your precious oxford/AZ vaccine only 55% effectiveness so far not enough guarantee that one actually will help, and UK's government just vaccinated millions of people with that garbage nevertheless of what the numbers were saying

also AZ doesn't seem to have much effect in the 55 or older age groups, bc of terrible side effects


my point first look at yourselves, then look at other countries (and i know my own country NL made lot of mistakes but therefore i won't be negative on other EU countries their approach at the coronacrisis)


Boris now suddenly getting praise for vaccinating millions when that might've not been good

[AnnieK]

Anti-EU agenda by the british, how not surpising :idc:


i don't trust the vaccines so far, my mom doesn't trust the vaccines either, when we read about nasty side effects


also more worrying is UK's how many 16 or 17 million vaccinations done, hope you got enough jabs for their second dose, and hope you guys are aware you have to do this every year now, same as a normal flu jab, sooo i hope you guys indeed have enough doses in storage


also your precious oxford/AZ vaccine only 55% effectiveness so far not enough guarantee that one actually will help, and UK's government just vaccinated millions of people with that garbage nevertheless of what the numbers were saying

also AZ doesn't seem to have much effect in the 55 or older age groups, bc of terrible side effects


my point first look at yourselves, then look at other countries (and i know my own country NL made lot of mistakes but therefore i won't be negative on other EU countries their approach at the coronacrisis)


Boris now suddenly getting praise for vaccinating millions when that might've not been good

What terrible side effects have you read about Nicky? I know lots of people who have had the vaccine now and their side effects have ranged from nothing at best to a sore arm and headachy at worse :shrug:

The alternative of getting Covid is shortness of breath, hospitalisation and possible death...I can't believe the side effects of the vaccine are worse than that

[Nicky91]

What terrible side effects have you read about Nicky? I know lots of people who have had the vaccine now and their side effects have ranged from nothing at best to a sore arm and headachy at worse :shrug:

The alternative of getting Covid is shortness of breath, hospitalisation and possible death...I can't believe the side effects of the vaccine are worse than that

headaches, sore arm ummm those are the least bad symptoms

compared to getting fevers, nausea, breathing problems


also i'm not a anti-vaxxer, my mom isn't either but we read more negatives on the vaccines than positives, also quite some who after vaccination got the virus and also very badly, and quite some who died after the vaccination

[user104658]

Anti-EU agenda by the british, how not surpising :idc:


i don't trust the vaccines so far, my mom doesn't trust the vaccines either, when we read about nasty side effects


also more worrying is UK's how many 16 or 17 million vaccinations done, hope you got enough jabs for their second dose, and hope you guys are aware you have to do this every year now, same as a normal flu jab, sooo i hope you guys indeed have enough doses in storage


also your precious oxford/AZ vaccine only 55% effectiveness so far not enough guarantee that one actually will help, and UK's government just vaccinated millions of people with that garbage nevertheless of what the numbers were saying

also AZ doesn't seem to have much effect in the 55 or older age groups, bc of terrible side effects


my point first look at yourselves, then look at other countries (and i know my own country NL made lot of mistakes but therefore i won't be negative on other EU countries their approach at the coronacrisis)


Boris now suddenly getting praise for vaccinating millions when that might've not been good

So much of this is inaccurate Nicky but I don't have time so I'll just pick up one;

If vaccination is needed every year it will be for new emerging strains, so would be a new vaccine... storing doses of the current ones to use in future would be pointless.

[AnnieK]

headaches, sore arm ummm those are the least bad symptoms

compared to getting fevers, nausea, breathing problems


also i'm not a anti-vaxxer, my mom isn't either but we read more negatives on the vaccines than positives, also quite some who after vaccination got the virus and also very badly, and quite some who died after the vaccination

Fair enough it is obviously your choice.....but as I said out of the millions of vaccines here there have been very few with serious adverse effects. Our cases are dropping, back by science that its due in part to vaccines.

You have to make your own decision though so I commend that.

[Nicky91]

So much of this is inaccurate Nicky but I don't have time so I'll just pick up one;

If vaccination is needed every year it will be for new emerging strains, so would be a new vaccine... storing doses of the current ones to use in future would be pointless.

''If''

vaccination is needed every year, a common fact what we know also from the normal flu

[Nicky91]

Fair enough it is obviously your choice.....but as I said out of the millions of vaccines here there have been very few with serious adverse effects. Our cases are dropping, back by science that its due in part to vaccines.

You have to make your own decision though so I commend that.

cases are dropping globally, WHO had said too recently


so maybe it might fade away at some point on its own, i mean 1918 spanish flu also went away on its own, without vaccines ;) ok after millions of people having died which is horrible but hope you do understand what i'm trying to say


we just need to shield the elderly and most vulnerable, we don't need to make ourselves rely on a vaccine, also not very effective vaccines wouldn't be wise to give those to elderly and most vulnerable, bc if it has no effect and they think they are immune that is quite dangerous and might increase chance for them to get infected

[Livia]

cases are dropping globally, WHO had said too recently


so maybe it might fade away at some point on its own, i mean 1918 spanish flu also went away on its own, without vaccines ;) ok after millions of people having died which is horrible but hope you do understand what i'm trying to say


we just need to shield the elderly and most vulnerable, we don't need to make ourselves rely on a vaccine, also not very effective vaccines wouldn't be wise to give those to elderly and most vulnerable, bc if it has no effect and they think they are immune that is quite dangerous and might increase chance for them to get infected

Tens of millions of people died around the world, more than a quarter of a million people in the UK alone when the population was half what it is now.

In my opinion, if you refuse the vaccine you should be quarantined until the pandemic is over.

[Nicky91]

Tens of millions of people died around the world, more than a quarter of a million people in the UK alone when the population was half what it is now.

In my opinion, if you refuse the vaccine you should be quarantined until the pandemic is over.

that's ok you think like this Livia sweetie

i would more shield the elderly and vulnerable, those at most risk of dying ;) for the healthy ones well doesn't really matter if they happen to catch the virus, i mean most of those get it mild anyway


if we can shield elderly, risk groups we can get deaths numbers down real fast, so yeah some of the VirusTruth people over here actually have a good point somehow


do i listen to scientists yes, the ones i listen to are Anthony Fauci, Professor Hendrik Streeck, Ab Osterhaus and i also listen to what WHO has to say, and what they currently say that cases are decreasing globally makes me think quite optimistic, so we just gotta hang in there with lockdowns, keep staying home as much as we can for a little while longer, and i think we can beat corona then, as for illegal partying by youth, well fine them if you want but as long as they do not come in contact with elderly and vulnerable people that is ok

[Captain.Remy]

He's completely unknown in France, and the candidate pro-Frexit scored 0.92% of the votes in the 2017 Presidential Election.
So yeah. :shrug:

Even Marine Le Pen, that horrible lady (and runner-up to Macron in 2017), wouldn't want to get out of the EU. As much as she hates it, it's one of her biggest funding source.