Spider-Man: No Way Home (December 17th 2021)

[LukeB]

The new title has just been annouced
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Confirmed Cast so far
Tom Holland as Peter Parker / Spider-Man: (obvs)
Zendaya as MJ
Jacob Batalon as Ned Leeds:
Marisa Tomei as May Parker:
Jamie Foxx as Max Dillon / Electro:
An electrical tradesman who gains electric powers after an accident. Foxx reprises his role from Sony's The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (2014). Unlike that appearance, he will not be depicted as blue for this film

Benedict Cumberbatch as Dr. Stephen Strange:
Alfred Molina as Otto Octavius / Doctor Octopus

[Mitchell]

Can’t wait, not a marvel fan really but love the Spider-Man films

[Tony Montana]

Geez, they are really running this “Home” thing into the ground smh.

It better be amazing if all those rumours about Maguire and Garfield returning are true.

[Jordan.]

The set up for Spider-Man: Nobody's Home with Avril on the soundtrack, speaking it into existence.

[James]

Trailer.

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[James]

It looks like they are continuing the multiverse story from Loki in this.

[Smithy]

I reckon Dr octopus is saying hello peter to Toby Maguire bc he wouldn’t know Tom Holland

[Oliver_W]

Looks awesome! By and large I feel like I'm "done" with the MCU now Endgame's happened, but I've always loved Spider-Man movies.

[Barry.]

I reckon Dr octopus is saying hello peter to Toby Maguire bc he wouldn’t know Tom Holland

I’d love that, hope that’s the case. Green goblin too? Do we know which one it will be? Spider-Man or amazing Spider-Man?

[Smithy]

Probably both

[Nicky91]

is this like previous ones released on Netflix, right?

[Nicky91]

sorry to say it for those who are fans of Kirsten Dunst, but i actually prefer Zendaya as the better ''MJ'' actress



anyhow great to Willem Dafoe back :worship: :worship: and yes i am a big fan of Alfred Molina's acting too

[Oliver_W]

I’d love that, hope that’s the case. Green goblin too? Do we know which one it will be? Spider-Man or amazing Spider-Man?

Based on the Pumpkin Bomb, it's the Spider-Man one, if not both.

[Barry.]

That would be cool if both came to this timeline

[user104658]

It looks like they are continuing the multiverse story from Loki in this.

Apparently Multiverse is going to be a huge part of Phase 4 in general, but yeah there's a specific thread running from Loki -> No Way Home -> Dr Strange 2 -> Ant-man Quantumania -> Loki season 2.

I've heard rumours that Loki will be in Dr Strange 2 and possibly will show up in No Way Home, though I'd imagine small appearance if that's in any way true... post-credits scene is possible?

[Strictly Jake]

I watch them but I never pay attention so can someone help me...

The new Spiderman films, are they a reboot of a reboot. Because we had Tony Maguire era. Then we had the Andrew Garfield era. Now we have the Tom Holland era which is better in terms of how the film's look. But is it just a reboot or do they all exist as Spiderman? I watched the cartoon one multiverse whatever with my son and that was even more confusing

Also I watch hardly any marvel films apart from the Spiderman, iron man and avengers ones so the fact all these characters come into other films and stuff I just don't get

[user104658]

I watch them but I never pay attention so can someone help me...

The new Spiderman films, are they a reboot of a reboot. Because we had Tony Maguire era. Then we had the Andrew Garfield era. Now we have the Tom Holland era which is better in terms of how the film's look. But is it just a reboot or do they all exist as Spiderman? I watched the cartoon one multiverse whatever with my son and that was even more confusing

Also I watch hardly any marvel films apart from the Spiderman, iron man and avengers ones so the fact all these characters come into other films and stuff I just don't get

Ahh well that's a little complicated now :joker:.

They were reboots, they all existed separately with their own origin stories, their own Aunt Mayses, etc... up until now the only Spider-man who has existed within the MCU was Tom Holland. The other crossovers (Iron Man, Thor, Captain America etc.) all literally exist in the same world as him.

But now, after the events of Loki (triggered by the events of Endgame) the "multiverse", basically infinite parallel worlds, has opened up. Loki spoilers:

There was some big multiverse war at some point, and it was ended when the guy who accidentally started it basically "cancelled" all of the other universes except the "main" one (you could think of that as the MCU) and created an organisation that kept the timeline "sacred" so that there were no other versions of reality. That all got thrown out of the window with the events of Loki (a version of Loki from an alternate timeline killed the guy in charge), so now the multiverse is "back", meaning that all of the other universes exist again, and could interact if people powerful enough to make "cracks in reality" start ****ing around (so the big magic users like Doctor Strange, Scarlet Witch, also through tech like the Quantum Realm so Ant-man etc.).

ANYWAY - now that this has happened, they've basically made it mean that the old versions of Spider-man (Maguire and Garfield) aren't totally separate things that have nothing at all to do with the MCU - they "really happened" within the MCU, but in "parallel universes". So they're not in the literal same world like Tom Holland Spider-man and the Avengers... but they do all "exist" :umm2:.

It's also most likely how they'll bring X-men into the MCU. My guess is that things will get messy within the next few films and so they'll decide to do something to organise all of the chaos, and in doing so, they'll merge some universes into the main one, and one of those will contain the X-men.

[bots]

arrowverse do the same thing, they bring dead characters back by transferring them from another earth and they have multiple versions of the flash etc. It annoyed me for a while, but then i just went with the flow :laugh:

[Strictly Jake]

That's way too deep for me. Haha.

[James]

The danger with the multiverse storyline is that it could start to feel like nothing has any consequence anymore eg. bringing back dead characters like Doc Ock.

They've already used time-travel to bring in new versions of killed-off characters like Gamora and Loki.

[Niamh.]

The danger with the multiverse storyline is that it could start to feel like nothing has any consequence anymore eg. bringing back dead characters like Doc Ock.

They've already used time-travel to bring in new versions of killed-off characters like Gamora and Loki.

Yeah, I am excited to see all the Spideys and Villains in the one film but I also totally agree with your point

[Oliver_W]

That's way too deep for me. Haha.

Think of it like this - they're not "reboots" of each other per se, they're just different versions of the same character. How many Oliver Twist movies have there been - billions! They're not reboots of each other, they're just different people making a version of the book, or in Spidey's case, different adaptions of the comics.

[user104658]

arrowverse do the same thing, they bring dead characters back by transferring them from another earth and they have multiple versions of the flash etc. It annoyed me for a while, but then i just went with the flow :laugh:

The danger with the multiverse storyline is that it could start to feel like nothing has any consequence anymore eg. bringing back dead characters like Doc Ock.

They've already used time-travel to bring in new versions of killed-off characters like Gamora and Loki.

Funnily enough, this is exactly why they've done the exact opposite a few times in the comics (and went this way with the Arrowverse). Basically the Loki series took the "one true timeline" of the MCU and split it so that there's now a multiverse. The Arrowverse always had a multiverse (e.g. the Supergirl/Superman universe being separate to the Flash, there being the alternative Jay Garrick Flash from another universe, multiple versions of Wells, etc.) and did the "Crisis on Infinite Earths" storyline, where all universes except the "Prime" universe (which they referred to as "Earth-1") were destroyed, but then Oliver Queen (who had sacrificed himself to save the universe and been granted godlike powers) was able to "merge" the multiverse instead... so now there is just ONE world, but aspects of many universes were blended into it. So for example, now Supergirl and Superman have always existed on the same earth as Green Arrow/Flash et al., Jay Garrick is a "retired Flash" who has always existed in the same reality as the current Flash, etc.

And yeah basically they did it because having an active multiverse "reduces the stakes" and makes it too easy for mistakes to be undone and dead characters to return, so it's a big :shrug: when they die. The did the same with time travel with the "Flashpoint" narrative (i.e. learning that changing the past messes with the present in ways you can't predict, so don't do it).

They still kinda do it though anyway - e.g. we have "new" Nora now (The Flash's daughter) from the future, even though she was erased from the timeline like 2 seasons ago :think:. Legends of Tomorrow kills and resurrects characters all the time also but it's not really supposed to be taken as seriously, they're pretty self-aware with it at this point, e.g. it's a bit of an "in joke" that Sarah Lance isn't bothered when people threaten her life, because she's died so many times.

Anyway... tl;dr I think after a run of "multiverse chaos" this is most likely where the MCU will go with this - they'll intorduce the new elements and characters they want to introduce using Multiverse, and then establish that "it's too unpredictable and dangerous to mess with" blah blah blah so that one merged universe is "set in stone" as the "proper" one. They'll re-establish the TVA from Loki as "benevolent time-keepers" (likely headed up by Mobius M Mobius) and characters like Doctor Strange will establish "rules" against messing with reality.

We'll see lots of Multivere hijinx throughout Phase 4 before that though :joker:.

[Nicky91]

Funnily enough, this is exactly why they've done the exact opposite a few times in the comics (and went this way with the Arrowverse). Basically the Loki series took the "one true timeline" of the MCU and split it so that there's now a multiverse. The Arrowverse always had a multiverse (e.g. the Supergirl/Superman universe being separate to the Flash, there being the alternative Jay Garrick Flash from another universe, multiple versins of Wells, etc.) and did the "Crisis on Infinite Earths" storyline, where all universes except the "Prime" universe (which they referred to as "Earth-1") were destroyed, but then Oliver Queen (who had sacrificed himself to save the universe and been granted godlike powers) was able to "merge" the multiverse instead... so now there is just ONE world, but aspects of many universes were belnded into it. So for example, now Supergirl and Superman have always existed on the same earth as Green Arrow/Flash et al., Jay Garrick is a "retired Flash" who has always existed in the same reality as the current Flash, etc.

And yeah basically they did it because having an active multiverse "reduces the stakes" and makes it too easy for mistakes to be undone and dead characters to return, so it's a big :shrug: when they die. The did the same with time travel with the "Flashpoint" narrative (i.e. learning that changing the past messes with the present in ways you can't predict, so don't do it).

They still kinda do it though anyway - e.g. we have "new" Nora now (The Flash's daughter) from the future, even though she was erased from the timeline like 2 seasons ago :think:. Legends of Tomorrow kills and resurrects characters all the time also but it's not really supposed to be taken as seriously, they're pretty self-aware with it at this point, e.g. it's a bit of an "in joke" that Sarah Lance isn't bothered when people threaten her life, because she's died so many times.

Anyway... tl;dr I think after a run of "multiverse chaos" this is most likely where the MCU will go with this - they'll intorduce the new elements and characters they want to introduce using Multiverse, and then establish that "it's too unpredictable and dangerous to mess with" blah blah blah so that one merged universe is "set in stone" as the "proper" one. They'll re-establish the TVA from Loki as "benevolent time-keepers" (likely headed up by Mobius M Mobius) and characters like Doctor Strange will establish "rules" against messing with reality.

We'll see lots of Multivere hijinx throughout Phase 4 before that though :joker:.

you don't wanna know what she is now :fan:

[user104658]

you don't wanna know what she is now :fan:

Yeah they've really gone with it now - given her "Wolverine regeneration" so she literally can't die :joker:

[Tom4784]

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[Nicky91]

I imagine the multiverse will only be a temporary thing or they'll ground it in a way in which there are still rules and consequences, kinda like how time travel didn't allow for them to change the past in Endgame. I think when it comes to dead characters returning full time, I only see them doing that with Gamora and Loki. I think they know the narrative dangers of undoing death too many times. At best we'll probably get brief cameos and such, I think.

maybe they'll also use some archived footage either?, something what i also know some had been doing with stuff like time travel

[user104658]

I imagine the multiverse will only be a temporary thing or they'll ground it in a way in which there are still rules and consequences, kinda like how time travel didn't allow for them to change the past in Endgame. I think when it comes to dead characters returning full time, I only see them doing that with Gamora and Loki. I think they know the narrative dangers of undoing death too many times. At best we'll probably get brief cameos and such, I think.

Interestingly, rewatching Endgame, when the Ancient One explains what will happen (the rules and consequences) if she gives Bruce Banner the time stone, the "model" she conjures looks pretty much exactly like a 3D rendered version of the "nexus event warning" screens in Loki... and assuming she may have had some knowledge of it all... it seems she thought the infinity stones played a role in maintaining the "sacred timeline" (despite being treated as inconsequential at the TVA). Makes me wonder if Thanos destroying the stones was actually the "trigger" that allowed the timeline to be broken.

Also makes me think Strange knows more about the "bigger picture" of what's going on than he's letting on in that Spider-man trailer. Seems like him and Wong have been recently discussing "Multiverse Magic Stuff" already when Peter comes knocking. Althernatively though... Strange being a "newbie" Sorceror Supreme might be why he isn't as aware of the dangers as The Ancient One was, and the reason he's not being as cautious as he should be.

[James]

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[James]

New trailer.

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[bots]

there is just too much going on in that trailer for me

[Nicky91]

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tv spot

[Nicky91]

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[Oliver_W]

Yeah it was really good!

It was literally Member-Berries The Movie, but what isn't these days : joker: it's the first time the nostalgia was aimed at my age and not 10+ years older so I didn't mind too much ;)

[Niamh.]

Loved it, one of the best Marvels so far

[arista]

Loved it, one of the best Marvels so far


Are you sure?

[Niamh.]

Are you sure?Yes'sir :douf:

[Vicky.]

Apparently Multiverse is going to be a huge part of Phase 4 in general, but yeah there's a specific thread running from Loki -> No Way Home -> Dr Strange 2 -> Ant-man Quantumania -> Loki season 2.

I've heard rumours that Loki will be in Dr Strange 2 and possibly will show up in No Way Home, though I'd imagine small appearance if that's in any way true... post-credits scene is possible?

Hmm. I have been wanting to see this mainly as I am a sheep and everyone else has been saying how great it is in all honesty. Am I going to not understand it without watching all of this first? That kinda puts me off a bit really..but I might end up doing it as am so bored these days and need something new to watch.

[user104658]

Tbh for this one you'll get most out of it if you saw the old Spider-man movies with Tobey Maguire / Andrew Garfield. Other MCU stuff isn’t that important and you can get it from context.

It’s also fine without having seen the ye olde spider-man films, you just won’t get some of the references, the story is still explained “for n00bs” and makes sense on its own (unlike, say, Avengers Endgame)

[James]

I just watched this. (I would have gone to the cinema but Omicron put me off doing that.) :umm2:

I didn't think it was a great film by any means, but I liked it for the interactions involving the three Spideys.

Like 'I'm Peter 3!'.

[bots]

i thought the action scenes were overdone, but it wasnt a bad movie

[Vanessa]

It was a lot of fun, I really enjoyed it.

[user104658]

I just watched this. (I would have gone to the cinema but Omicron put me off doing that.) :umm2:

I didn't think it was a great film by any means, but I liked it for the interactions involving the three Spideys.

Like 'I'm Peter 3!'.I honestly think it's a great nostalgia movie for anyone old enough to have seen both Toby-man and Andrew-man back when they were released, but it'll lack that for younger people who only saw those movies more recently, and must be a bit of a confusing mess for anyone who hasn't seen those movies at all.

That's kind of a fatal flaw built into the whole MCU these days though... to get the most out of the movies and shows, you have to be keeping up with the movies and shows. E.g. I hadn't seen Black Widow, stopped half way through Hawkeye when Yelena turned up because I didn't know who she was but correctly guessed she would have been introduced in Black Widow, so I watched that before continuing Hawkeye. That whole Hawkeye subplot is meaningless to anyone who hasn't seen that movie :shrug:.

But yeah that's amplified 10x with No Way Home because not only do you have to have seen them, to get the emotional hit you have to have seen them back when they released.

[user104658]

On the plus side... My daughter, an MCU sceptic, only liked the Spider-man franchise but now wants to come and see Doc Strange 2 when it releases, so has been successfully partially indoctrinated.

[James]

I was watching Red Letter Media's review of Doctor Strange 2, and one of them said in it that No Way Home was like the longest Superbowl commercial ever made - which is exactly right.

eg. when Bill Murray reprises his role from Groundhog Day for an advert, but you are really just watching Bill Murray rather than the character. Matthew Broderick as Ferris was another example.

[bots]

i felt that spiderman had too much action that attempted to compensate for a bland storyline

[user104658]

I was watching Red Letter Media's review of Doctor Strange 2, and one of them said in it that No Way Home was like the longest Superbowl commercial ever made - which is exactly right.

eg. when Bill Murray reprises his role from Groundhog Day for an advert, but you are really just watching Bill Murray rather than the character. Matthew Broderick as Ferris was another example.


As much as I enjoy it for the nostalgia, I think there’s a good argument that as a stand-alone movie……… it would have been better without Toby and Andrew. Actually in hindsight, they could have established Multiverse and kept some of the best elements by just including Doc Oc and Norman Osborne/Green Goblin (with Holland still fixing Doc Oc’s inhibitor chip, and them teaming up against Green Goblin).

So I can see it both ways really. I like it for what it is, but as a standalone movie it obviously has large flaws.