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Amy Jade
07-03-2021, 04:23 PM
How come there is such fury about Meghan and Harry doing an interview and the Palace are releasing stories that Meghan is a bully or had a fit about a towel yet they don't say much about Prince Andrew the alleged peadophile?
People are up in arms Meghan is talking to Oprah, it's literally front page news every day yet the media have stopped caring that that dirty nonce STILL hasn't willingly gone to the US to make a statement about his involvement with Epstine?
Glenn.
07-03-2021, 04:24 PM
I would like to know whyte to
the prince andrew thing is part of an ongoing criminal investigation which is happening in America. There are no criminal charges between megan and harry and the royal family, at least not yet
arista
07-03-2021, 04:27 PM
How come there is such fury about Meghan and Harry doing an interview and the Palace are releasing stories that Meghan is a bully or had a fit about a towel yet they don't say much about Prince Andrew the alleged peadophile?
People are up in arms Meghan is talking to Oprah, it's literally front page news every day yet the media have stopped caring that that dirty nonce STILL hasn't willingly gone to the US to make a statement about his involvement with Epstine?
Dead Easy
Andrew has gone from Public Media
Harry and Her
Are Fighting the UK Royals using CBS,
and Harry stupid said Toxic on USA Comedy James Cordon.
Toy Soldier
07-03-2021, 04:28 PM
I would like to know whyte to
Only a small percentage - mostly, it's not about the white, it's about the blue...
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Andrew just might come back into the scene later this year when Ghislaine Maxwell stands trial, we'll have to wait and see.
That's if Maxwell survives that long.
Amy Jade
07-03-2021, 04:32 PM
Dead Easy
Andrew has gone from Public Media
Harry and Her
Are Fighting the UK Royals using CBS,
and Harry stupid said Toxic on USA Comedy James Cordon.
So it's out of sight out of mind then?
Let the peado get on with his life but let's endlessly attack someone for living the life they fell most comfortable living.
Crimson Dynamo
07-03-2021, 04:35 PM
The SUn, the Mirror, the Express, the Independent, The Daily Mail, The Daily Telegraph, The Times, The Guardian, Sky News, Yahoo have all run Stories (negative ones) about Prince Andrew in the last week.
Social media has been awash with Prince Andrew stuff
In other words, i am afraid its incorrect
arista
07-03-2021, 04:37 PM
So it's out of sight out of mind then?
Let the peado get on with his life but let's endlessly attack someone for living the life they fell most comfortable living.
Of Course
Harry and Her on
our TV Screens far too much.
Andrew appears Stupid
when he was grilled by the BBC Newsnight Lady Emily
So he is now Gone Forever.
Crimson Dynamo
07-03-2021, 04:37 PM
meanwhile, no one on tibb has made any threads about him for over a year if the search thing s to be believed
i would have thought people would be as we keep hearing about how he is BIG NEWS
:think:
Tom4784
07-03-2021, 04:38 PM
Out of sight, out of mind, free to be a predator, but let's talk about how Meghan is singlehandedly destroying the UK by simply existing.
Tom4784
07-03-2021, 04:42 PM
But yeah, Andrew will never face consequences because we're a bootlicking country that's so easily distracted. As long as the Rupert Murdoch machines gives the masses someone to hate, they're happy. 'Andrew shagging kids is bad, but have you seen that Meghan lost her **** because she was given a towel in a shade she didn't like once? That's so much worse!'
I have no respect left for this country.
GoldHeart
07-03-2021, 04:46 PM
So it's out of sight out of mind then?
Let the peado get on with his life but let's endlessly attack someone for living the life they fell most comfortable living.
Pretty much Amy
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Prince Andrew is currently trending on Twitter.
Toy Soldier
07-03-2021, 04:54 PM
meanwhile, no one on tibb has made any threads about him for over a year if the search thing s to be believed
i would have thought people would be as we keep hearing about how he is BIG NEWS
:think:
People make threads about every big story that's in the press, when it's in the press, so if there aren't threads, it's because the media haven't been reporting on it much. They haven't been reporting much... on connections between a direct bloodline Royal... and a known high profile child sex trafficker.
I don't know if you're deliberately backing up the thread concept - I suspect not - but actually, that's what you're doing.
Crimson Dynamo
07-03-2021, 04:55 PM
every national newspaper has run stories about him in the last week
tibb meanwhile dont make any threads about him in a year
tibb: why is NOONE talking about Prince Andrew????
:facepalm:
Crimson Dynamo
07-03-2021, 04:57 PM
People make threads about every big story that's in the press, when it's in the press, so if there aren't threads, it's because the media haven't been reporting on it much. They haven't been reporting much... on connections between a direct bloodline Royal... and a known high profile child sex trafficker.
I don't know if you're deliberately backing up the thread concept - I suspect not - but actually, that's what you're doing.
There is pretty much nothing to write about hence its not on the news agenda
I would have thought that is self evident but it seems not
The irony is the only reason he is in the press this week is because of markle and all their promo from the media
You could not make it up
and the minute their is a scrap the Guardian, Indie and Mirror will be on it like a hawk as well as CNN WP and NYT plus mail and express
my recollection from the press and those who commented on the interview etc on here were almost 100% that he was guilty. Given that, he is not on trial here, there is an ongoing investigation, should the press have a story everyday that everyone agrees with ... that he is guilty? That doesn't sell papers
M & H are speaking to the public/press every other day. If they want to be off the newspapers, don't shout out in public every day
Toy Soldier
07-03-2021, 05:02 PM
every national newspaper has run stories about him in the last week
tibb meanwhile dont make any threads about him in a year
tibb: why is NOONE talking about Prince Andrew????
:facepalm:
Just to fact check this, I went on a site that has an archive of UK paper front pages and did a quick count of what's been on the front pages (any mention big or small) regarding Royalty...
...just about Philip - 3
...about Philip regarding Harry and Meghan - 1
...about William/Kate and Vaccines - 1
...about Harry and Meghan - 13 :facepalm:
...about Andrew - 0
...... :idc:
Jordan.
07-03-2021, 05:03 PM
Someone disgracing themselves doesn't stroke the fragile ego quite like tearing someone from grace.
rusticgal
07-03-2021, 05:05 PM
The investigation is still ongoing...hopefully Andrew will be held to task. Will have to wait and see. I don’t know anyone who want to see him escape justice.
Meanwhile across The Atlantic we have Harry and Meghan..during a Pandemic when millions have died...thousands have lost their jobs, their homes, loved ones. A 99yr old Grandparent in Hospital with Heart problems and all they can do is indulge themselves in self promotion and self pity.
arista
07-03-2021, 05:05 PM
The SUn, the Mirror, the Express, the Independent, The Daily Mail, The Daily Telegraph, The Times, The Guardian, Sky News, Yahoo have all run Stories (negative ones) about Prince Andrew in the last week.
Social media has been awash with Prince Andrew stuff
In other words, i am afraid its incorrect
Sure Social Media
but thats full of rabbit holes.
Thats why Official TV news and Papers
are what we respect.
Crimson Dynamo
07-03-2021, 05:17 PM
Just to fact check this, I went on a site that has an archive of UK paper front pages and did a quick count of what's been on the front pages (any mention big or small) regarding Royalty...
...just about Philip - 3
...about Philip regarding Harry and Meghan - 1
...about William/Kate and Vaccines - 1
...about Harry and Meghan - 13 :facepalm:
...about Andrew - 0
...... :idc:
i wasnt talking about front page splashes, there is no actual news about him so no front pages but if you google you will see all the main papers have run stories about him mainly from the markle angle
If you can find a story worthy of a front page this week about him feel free and share because no editors can
and i say again no threads on tibb in over a year
Amy Jade
07-03-2021, 05:19 PM
meanwhile, no one on tibb has made any threads about him for over a year if the search thing s to be believed
i would have thought people would be as we keep hearing about how he is BIG NEWS
:think:
No point in creating a topic when there's nothing new to talk about. He's a nonce and the Palace are protecting him.
GoldHeart
07-03-2021, 05:21 PM
i wasnt talking about front page splashes, there is no actual news about him so no front pages but if you google you will see all the main papers have run stories about him mainly from the markle angle
If you can find a story worthy of a front page this week about him feel free and share because no editors can
and i say again no threads on tibb in over a year
Some still defended Andrew actually and didn't want to believe the allegations, but continue to bury your head in the sand :hee:.
Let's look at the positives.
The next king is a paedos brother, and his son sees him as his favourite uncle.(a probable father figure to harry, one could imagine?)
Amy Jade
07-03-2021, 05:23 PM
every national newspaper has run stories about him in the last week
tibb meanwhile dont make any threads about him in a year
tibb: why is NOONE talking about Prince Andrew????
:facepalm:
I mean let's be frank. You're one of the most active posters in this part of tibb, why did you think it was important to post about the weird towel story but you don't make much of any comments about a peadophile?
Amy Jade
07-03-2021, 05:27 PM
The investigation is still ongoing...hopefully Andrew will be held to task. Will have to wait and see. I don’t know anyone who want to see him escape justice.
Meanwhile across The Atlantic we have Harry and Meghan..during a Pandemic when millions have died...thousands have lost their jobs, their homes, loved ones. A 99yr old Grandparent in Hospital with Heart problems and all they can do is indulge themselves in self promotion and self pity.
What does Meghan talking to Oprah have to do with covid?
rusticgal
07-03-2021, 05:28 PM
Maybe Harry and Meghan should be highlighting it now they have the freedom of speech :shrug:
GoldHeart
07-03-2021, 05:29 PM
I mean let's be frank. You're one of the most active posters in this part of tibb, why did you think it was important to post about the weird towel story but you don't make much of any comments about a peadophile?
Hmm what a puzzler I can't possibly think why
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rusticgal
07-03-2021, 05:30 PM
Some still defended Andrew actually and didn't want to believe the allegations, but continue to bury your head in the sand :hee:.
Like who?...Ghislane? :laugh:
Crimson Dynamo
07-03-2021, 05:31 PM
I mean let's be frank. You're one of the most active posters in this part of tibb, why did you think it was important to post about the weird towel story but you don't make much of any comments about a peadophile?
as TS said there is nothing to make a thread about
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Prince Andrew is probably guilty, looking at the evidence
4 replies of yes
pointless
unless you have another angle?
Prince Andrew was the bigger scandal and it was treated as such in the media, I wouldn't agree at all that there has been more fuss made about Meghan
GoldHeart
07-03-2021, 05:38 PM
Prince Andrew was the bigger scandal and it was treated as such in the media, I wouldn't agree at all that there has been more fuss made about Meghan
Meghan literally dominates every news and thread , though , it's like Andrew who ?
Meghan literally dominates every news and thread , though , it's like Andrew who ?
That interview with Maitlis dominated the news for ages. I think its just because the biggest part of the Andrew story is now some time in the past and the Meghan interview is current, it feels like the latter is getting more focus when it's not really the case
Meghan literally dominates every news and thread , though , it's like Andrew who ?Depends where you look. Many people are still taking about Andrew on a regular basis.
GoldHeart
07-03-2021, 05:54 PM
Depends where you look. Many people are still taking about Andrew on a regular basis.
Is that so
Crimson Dynamo
07-03-2021, 05:54 PM
Meghan literally dominates every news and thread , though , it's like Andrew who ?
and believe it or not there is not much in the news about Jimmy Savile or Jack the Ripper, The Arch Duke Franz Ferdinand or Pol Pot
it must be a cover-up by the glitterati
:omgno:
Meghan literally dominates every news and thread , though , it's like Andrew who ?
Is that soThe Internet is a totally different World to the Mainstream media.
Prince andrew is rhyming slang these days.
rusticgal
07-03-2021, 05:57 PM
That interview with Maitlis dominated the news for ages. I think its just because the biggest part of the Andrew story is now some time in the past and the Meghan interview is current, it feels like the latter is getting more focus when it's not really the case
Exactly...in a nutshell.
thesheriff443
07-03-2021, 05:59 PM
People talk about what they are interested in.
If people are so interested in Andrew they should write to their mp about him.
Crimson Dynamo
07-03-2021, 06:01 PM
People talk about what they are interested in.
If people are so interested in Andrew they should write to their mp about him.
I wonder how many tibb members have?
thesheriff443
07-03-2021, 06:02 PM
I wonder how many tibb members have?
Sweet. f a
What is the situation with Andrew?
As I understand it, so far there have been accusations against him and he denies them.
Not really too much go on, unless you want to presume him guilty without the whole facts?
I did a big **** in a shoe box once, but decided not to post it.
rusticgal
07-03-2021, 06:08 PM
What does Meghan talking to Oprah have to do with covid?
Timing?....
GoldHeart
07-03-2021, 06:09 PM
What is the situation with Andrew?
As I understand it, so far there have been accusations against him and he denies them.
Not really too much go on, unless you want to presume him guilty without the whole facts?
:notimpressed:
Crimson Dynamo
07-03-2021, 06:10 PM
What is the situation with Andrew?
As I understand it, so far there have been accusations against him and he denies them.
Not really too much go on, unless you want to presume him guilty without the whole facts?
surely people would not do that?
the legal process must be adhered to?
Imo..
They are cut from the same cloth, I dknt trust either Andrew or harry..
Meghan's just a side show for them all.
GoldHeart
07-03-2021, 06:13 PM
Imo..
They are cut from the same cloth, I dknt trust either Andrew or harry..
Meghan's just a side show for them all.
Did you really put Harry in the same category as Andrew:umm2: :facepalm:
Did you really put Harry in the same category as Andrew:umm2: :facepalm:
Yeah.
Andrew has been Harry's favourite uncle all through his lifetime.
Jordan.
07-03-2021, 06:18 PM
What is the situation with Andrew?
As I understand it, so far there have been accusations against him and he denies them.
Not really too much go on, unless you want to presume him guilty without the whole facts?
odd to see you suddenly caring for the facts when it isn't in relation to election rigging or a global pandemic.
Amy Jade
07-03-2021, 06:20 PM
Imo..
They are cut from the same cloth, I dknt trust either Andrew or harry..
Meghan's just a side show for them all.
I mean one is a child molester so...
thesheriff443
07-03-2021, 06:25 PM
I mean one is a child molester so...
That statement could see you in court
rusticgal
07-03-2021, 06:26 PM
What is the situation with Andrew?
As I understand it, so far there have been accusations against him and he denies them.
Not really too much go on, unless you want to presume him guilty without the whole facts?
It seems very apparent he was involved...
Investigations are underway. He said he would talk to the FBI....let’s hope he keeps his word otherwise it won’t go down well.
odd to see you suddenly caring for the facts when it isn't in relation to election rigging or a global pandemic.The election theft is real, all the facts say so.
I mean one is a child molester so...
And one is a favourite uncle of a gullible tit.
Amy Jade
07-03-2021, 06:32 PM
And one is a favourite uncle of a gullible tit.
You are disturbing sometimes.
Tom4784
07-03-2021, 06:36 PM
Imagin comparing Harry for marrying Meghan, to Andrew, who raped children and suggesting what they've done is both worthy of similar distrust..... Only on Tibb.
This Andrew stuff, what do we know so far? It is known that he was friends with, and stayed at the house of a convicted paedophile. It is known that an underage girl accused him of having sex with her. We know there is a photo of him with his arm around said girl.
We know he hasn’t voluntarily gone to the USA to be interviewed about this accusation.
Sounds dodgy.
He said he’s innocent, she says he’s guilty.
We know that so far his guilt of sex with an underage girl hasn’t been proven, because if it was, he would be extradited to the States and tried. The investigation is ongoing in the USA and at some stage this may happen.
I have no side in this, because I have nil interest in Andrew and never did, he's just there.
Many are saying he is being ‘protected’ by the Palace. How?
What do you want the Queen to do right now? She has sacked him from the positions he holds in the firm.
Those of you up in arms that the Queen is doing nothing….. What would YOU do if it was your son? Lets hear it.
You are disturbing sometimes.
Oh I'm really sitting here all perched waiting to find out what you think of me when I'm not.
:cat:
rusticgal
07-03-2021, 06:39 PM
Imagin comparing Harry for marrying Meghan, to Andrew, who raped children and suggesting what they've done is both worthy of similar distrust..... Only on Tibb.
Perhaps you should take that up with the OP...:laugh:
Tom4784
07-03-2021, 06:40 PM
No interest in a peadophile being protected by the crown.... But you'll read books written about how Meghan is the devil because of reasons?
Oh I'm really sitting here all perched waiting to find out what you think of me when I'm not.
:cat:
Parmy. :laugh: :love:
rusticgal
07-03-2021, 06:42 PM
Those of you up in arms that the Queen is doing nothing….. What would YOU do if it was your son? Lets hear it.
Well I directed that question earlier....funny that no one responded. :laugh:
Tom4784
07-03-2021, 06:42 PM
Perhaps you should take that up with the OP...:laugh:
You've misunderstood both what I wrote and what Amy wrote if you think that is applicable. Try reading what I said again, and then do the same for the first post.
No interest in a peadophile being protected by the crown.... But you'll read books written about how Meghan is the devil because of reasons?
That's not what I said though....I said I had no interest in Andrew as a person.
What would you do if he was your son?
Perhaps you should take that up with the OP...:laugh:
I doubt he will :shrug:
Tom4784
07-03-2021, 06:44 PM
If a son or daughter of mine raped children, they would be my child no more. I'd drag them to the police station myself. No amount of parental love could excuse such monstrous actions.
Tom4784
07-03-2021, 06:45 PM
I doubt he will :shrug:
Because what Amy said has no bearing on what I said. Is reading comprehension in short supply?
If a son or daughter of mine raped children, they would be my child no more. I'd drag them to the police station myself. No amount of parental love could excuse such monstrous actions.
What if they were an arsehole that brought attention to the family when your dad was on his death bed
Amy Jade
07-03-2021, 06:47 PM
Perhaps you should take that up with the OP...:laugh:
I never compared them personally though did I?
I compared the public outrage. Do try and keep up for once.
Tom4784
07-03-2021, 06:47 PM
What if they were an arsehole that brought attention to the family when your dad was on his death bed
Ah, so recording an interview and the channel airing it at some point is akin to being a child rapist to you.
What an interesting sense of morality you have.
If a son or daughter of mine raped children, they would be my child no more. I'd drag them to the police station myself. No amount of parental love could excuse such monstrous actions.
But if it hadn't been conclusively proven that your son had sex with an underage girl and he said he was innocent, as is the case here, what would you do?
Amy Jade
07-03-2021, 06:49 PM
Parm you know I think your a nice guy but wtf tonight
Tom4784
07-03-2021, 06:49 PM
But if it hadn't been conclusively proven that your son had sex with an underage girl and he said he was innocent, as is the case here, what would you do?
I'd believe the evidence. You can keep moving the goalposts, but it won't change my answer. I would not shield a rapist, regardless of the circumstances.
smudgie
07-03-2021, 06:50 PM
But if it hadn't been conclusively proven that your son had sex with an underage girl and he said he was innocent, as is the case here, what would you do?
I would support him all I could, until a court found him guilty.
Innocent until proven guilty for me.
Crimson Dynamo
07-03-2021, 06:51 PM
Imagin comparing Harry for marrying Meghan, to Andrew, who raped children and suggesting what they've done is both worthy of similar distrust..... Only on Tibb.
stop posting things that are allegations as fact
you will get the forum in trouble
DouglasS
07-03-2021, 06:51 PM
stop posting things that are allegations as fact
you will get the forum in trouble
That means Dezzy thinks Meghan is a bully also
Ah, so recording an interview and the channel airing it at some point is akin to being a child rapist to you.
What an interesting sense of morality you have.
No..its a comparison I made up just like the one you did..
Mine is more on point.. do you have an answer for it?
Parm you know I think your a nice guy but wtf tonight
I've said it for ages..
Andrew is Harry's favourite uncle.. that is a fact.
joeysteele
07-03-2021, 06:55 PM
I don't say much re Prince Andrew, as there are criminal proceedings to be done.
I am stunned he hasn't voluntarily gone to the USA to ' assist' in this case.
His interview was a non event which didn't go well.
However, yes, the Queen and the Palace is protecting him, keeping him out the public eye and no more interviews or appearances, even as to those investigating in the USA.
Yes, he's the Queen's son, well what does she know, that he needs to be hidden away under her protective shield.
If any of her subjects could be thought to be needed to assist In a criminal investigation, she for sure wouldn't be wanting to see anyone, family or otherwise, protecting them from talking about it to officials.
This is another example of what's wrong with the stifling Royal set up and regime.
Where even if any were to want to say more, they likely have to shut up.
Well, that's why if I have any admiration for Meghan Markle, it's that she refused to be shut up and just tow the Royal rigid line.
Of course that then means, she loses that controlling rigid protective Royal set up shield.
So well done to her on that.
As for Prince Andrew, he has a colourful past in any event.
However, at present he himself has not been accused of anything.
It seems the investigators of the case just wanted to talk with him.
He could do an interview to talk about it on TV, but not go and talk TO the Investigators.
Why, to that is another question.
The Queen isn't wrong to protect him if innocent, I can't grasp why she supports him at least not going to talk to the investigation officials in the USA however.
rusticgal
07-03-2021, 06:56 PM
If a son or daughter of mine raped children, they would be my child no more. I'd drag them to the police station myself. No amount of parental love could excuse such monstrous actions.
You can hardly drag a 61 year old man to a police station....and he IS being investigated....not many would completely disown their children.
Tom4784
07-03-2021, 06:58 PM
You can hardly drag a 61 year old man to a police station....and he IS being investigated....not many would completely disown their children.
It sounds like you're passing more judgement on me, for saying I would disown a child rapist, than you are for the said child rapist in question.
Tom4784
07-03-2021, 06:59 PM
No..its a comparison I made up just like the one you did..
Mine is more on point.. do you have an answer for it?
I don't have an answer for incoherent babbling, no.
Tom4784
07-03-2021, 07:00 PM
That means Dezzy thinks Meghan is a bully also
A swing and a miss.
I don't have an answer for incoherent babbling, no.
If your child was bringing negative attention on your family while your father lay on his death bed...what would you do?
I'd believe the evidence. You can keep moving the goalposts, but it won't change my answer. I would not shield a rapist, regardless of the circumstances.
It's you who are moving the goalposts. Imagine it is your son, what evidence have you so far that you would state that your loved one is a rapist.
I would support him all I could, until a court found him guilty.
Innocent until proven guilty for me.
Absolutely. Any loving mother or father would.
Tom4784
07-03-2021, 07:03 PM
If your child was bringing negative attention on your family while your father lay on his death bed...what would you do?
Nothing, I don't give a **** about what other people would be saying if a family member was on their deathbed.
It's insane to even compare that to a family member being a child rapist.
Amy Jade
07-03-2021, 07:05 PM
You can hardly drag a 61 year old man to a police station....and he IS being investigated....not many would completely disown their children.
he has been repeatedly asked to volunteer his time to go and help investigations and has so far not gone. His age is irrelevant.
Amy Jade
07-03-2021, 07:06 PM
If your child was bringing negative attention on your family while your father lay on his death bed...what would you do?
Ignore it and get the peado in the family put behind bars so they can't hurt anymore innocent kids.
Tom4784
07-03-2021, 07:06 PM
It's you who are moving the goalposts. Imagine it is your son, what evidence have you so far that you would state that your loved one is a rapist.
He says, just before trying to move the goalposts in the very next sentence.
I don't forgive rape, I would not call someone who could do that to a child my son. That is my answer, no amount of moving the goalposts and twisting what I say will change it.
Nothing, I don't give a **** about what other people would be saying if a family member was on their deathbed.
It's insane to even compare that to a family member being a child rapist.
You gave your answer on Andrew...I'm not comparing anything.. just wanting an answer to another scenario...
What about the little **** bringing the attention..
You would be giving him a green light to act like a selfish little prick in the future if you didnt man up and show him the proper way to act in such circumstances.shrug:
Bad parenting imo.
Ignore it and get the peado in the family put behind bars so they can't hurt anymore innocent kids.
Very dismissive response.:wavey:
Bye.
Tom4784
07-03-2021, 07:10 PM
What about the little **** bringing the attention..
You would be giving him a green light to act like a selfish little prick in the future if you didnt man up and show him the proper way to act in such circumstances.shrug:
Bad parenting imo.
A truly bad parent cares more about what the world thinks of them, and uses that as sway to affect their parenting. Being concerned with what the world is saying when someone you love could be dying is very warped.
As is the fact that you seem more offended by this than Andrew's actions.
Tom4784
07-03-2021, 07:11 PM
Very dismissive response.:wavey:
Bye.
He says, while being dismissive because he got an answer he didn't like.
He says, just before trying to move the goalposts in the very next sentence.
I don't forgive rape, I would not call someone who could do that to a child my son. That is my answer, no amount of moving the goalposts and twisting what I say will change it.
If your beloved son was accused of rape, and he told you he was innocent, what would you do? Can you answer a direct question without twisting?
A truly bad parent cares more about what the world thinks of them, and uses that as sway to affect their parenting. Being concerned with what the world is saying when someone you love could be dying is very warped.
As is the fact that you seem more offended by this than Andrew's actions.
You still ain't addressed what you would do if your dad was on his deathbed and your son was bringing unnecessary further stress to the whole family.
You instantly said what you would do with andrew..a man merely accused of things..
You said you would dob him in..dob him in on the word of others...those others you say that thier words or thoughts dont matter if harry is ****ting on prince Phillips parade.
So what would you do with harry if he was your son and your dad was dying at the same time he was taking a swipe at you.
GoldHeart
07-03-2021, 07:16 PM
Are people forgetting that parents out there have brought up some of the most sickest twisted criminals out there . When it comes to light their heinous crimes how many would defend them? . If anything they'd be in shock and disgusted.
I'm generalising of course as everyone is different , but people have disowned family members over less so yeah .
Amy Jade
07-03-2021, 07:17 PM
Very dismissive response.:wavey:
Bye.
You just don't like the answer.
Ignore it and get the peado in the family put behind bars so they can't hurt anymore innocent kids.
You'd want your son put behind bars before he's been found guilty in a court of law?
Tom4784
07-03-2021, 07:18 PM
If your beloved son was accused of rape, and he told you he was innocent, what would you do? Can you answer a direct question without twisting?
Can you respond to one of my posts without incompetently trying to throw a term I used back at me, and failing in the process?
You asked me a question, I answered it but it wasn't the answer you wanted so you keep trying to move the goalposts by asking leading questions to try and change my stance, but it will not change. I would disown a child rapist if I believed they were guilty of the crime and I think anyone who wouldn't is a POS shielding a predator.
The royal family are ***** for protect Andrew in face of everything, it's not something to be admired or defended. They are protecting a predator.
You just don't like the answer.
I didnt..
The question was about harry but you answered it as though I asked it about andrew..
Are people forgetting that parents out their have brought up some of the most sickest twisted criminals out there . When it come to light their heinous crimes how many would defend them? . If anything they'd be in shock and disgusted.
I'm generalising of course as everyone is different , but people have disowned family members over less so yeah .
Yes, I can see that if they have actually had a trial and been found guilty.
Tom4784
07-03-2021, 07:20 PM
You still ain't addressed what you would do if your dad was on his deathbed and your son was bringing unnecessary further stress to the whole family.
You instantly said what you would do with andrew..a man merely accused of things..
You said you would dob him in..dob him in on the word of others...those others you say that thier words or thoughts dont matter if harry is ****ting on prince Phillips parade.
So what would you do with harry if he was your son and your dad was dying at the same time he was taking a swipe at you.
I gave you an answer, and you keep ignoring it because it's not the answer you want.
I wouldn't give a ****, I'd have bigger things on my mind than a ****ing interview if my parent was dying.
It continues to be disturbing that you find an interview to be as egregious an offence as raping a child.
GoldHeart
07-03-2021, 07:23 PM
Yes, I can see that if they have actually had a trial and been found guilty.
Like I said people have disowned their own kids over far less , so why does it surprise you that not every parent would protect & defend a predator ?? .
GoldHeart
07-03-2021, 07:30 PM
I'm not comparing...
So you dont need to either:nono:
I'm discussing one side of the topic..I'm not one for child raping discussions.:nono:
No matter how many times you bring it up..I wont be drawn into that seedy world.
How can you say drawn in though
joeysteele
07-03-2021, 07:30 PM
Speaking for myself only and I haven't been asked I admit.
My Parents, were I implicated in a crime or could assist with getting the facts of one.
Would not support me being silent.
If I'd also really done wrong, I was brought up to believe if you've done wrong, own up to it.
Which they'd have also pushed me to do.
Yes, they'd likely still have been there for me but through it, NOT to avoid it.
I have to say too, who is on their deathbed?
Apparently Prince Philip is improving, is likely to be back home In a week or so.
So the deathbed scenario doesn't apply.
Again however, people who feel the need strongly to say or reveal something, should be able to do so, in my view anyway.
Tom4784
07-03-2021, 07:30 PM
I'm not comparing...
So you dont need to either:nono:
I'm discussing one side of the topic..I'm not one for child raping discussions.:nono:
No matter how many times you bring it up..I wont be drawn into that seedy world.
Except you have made comparisons multiple times.
GoldHeart
07-03-2021, 07:31 PM
You are dodging the question, all your guff doesn't hide that. But what you have said will suffice - You would disown your own son, even if they told you they were innocent, and without any current actual, concrete evidence, because you automatically would assume they were guilty.
Wow, wow, wow. Okay.
That's not what Dezzy said but go off I guess :bored:
My son is guilty of the most heinous of crimes cause nosey joyce said so..
I'm the type of father that allows my sons to bring shame on my family as my father lies on his deathbed...cause
I dont give a **** what other people think...
Apart from nosey joyce.
Her word is gospel.
Like I said people have disowned their own kids over far less , so why does it surprise you that not every parent would protect & defend a predator ?? .
But why wouldn't the parent defend the son if he denied he was a predator and there was no actual current evidence to prove it?
That's not what Dezzy said but go off I guess :bored:
Correct me then....
GoldHeart
07-03-2021, 07:37 PM
But why wouldn't the parent defend the son if he denied he was a predator and there was no actual current evidence to prove it?
But we're talking about WITH evidence ,and they'll be a number of other suspicious encounters too. Being best friends with a notorious rapist isn't going to help your case either is it now.
Amy Jade
07-03-2021, 07:43 PM
if they can defend an abusive money-mad passive-aggressive bully surely that isnt a surprise?
:shrug:
Even if the person I was defending was all those things at least they aren't a bloody peadophile.
No, you just don't like the answer I'm giving so you're disregarding what I've said to shove your words down my throat and judge me for a conclusion you've invented all on your own.
Imagine judging me for disowning someone I suspected of being a child predator in order to defend an actual child predator so that a hatred of Meghan Markle seems less irrational than it is.
Twisty twisty - and now accusing me of defending a predator, your transparency is laughable. I have never said Andrew isn't guilty, how would I know if he was or wasn't? I have said he hasn't been convicted.
Top tip Dezzy - NEVER aspire to become a judge.....
Again - Why would you suspect your son of being a predator if you weren't even there in the country where he was accused and he told he he was innocent?
GoldHeart
07-03-2021, 07:45 PM
Even if the person I was defending was all those things at least they aren't a bloody peadophile.
I know which one I'd rather defend
#team Harry & Meghan
I can't believe people are defending a nonce. Only on tibb!
Nobody is defending Andrew. Everyone is entitled to a fair trial in a court of law no matter who they are. If he is found guilty, I'll call him worse than a nonce.
Tom4784
07-03-2021, 07:52 PM
Twisty twisty - and now accusing me of defending a predator, your transparency is laughable. I have never said Andrew isn't guilty, how would I know if he was or wasn't? I have said he hasn't been convicted.
Top tip Dezzy - NEVER aspire to become a judge.....
Again - Why would you suspect your son of being a predator if you weren't even there in the country where he was accused and he told he he was innocent?
I'm not twisting anything, but once again you have failed to take my words and use them in the right context.
I don't want to be a judge, but I'd say the same to you as well.
Do you not have much experience with people? I can often tell when someone is lying to me, if I had a son who was accused of rape, and I couldn't believe him to be innocent, then I would turn my back on him. I don't forgive or tolerate rape. I couldn't love someone who would do that to another person, nevermind a child.
GoldHeart
07-03-2021, 07:52 PM
Nobody is defending Andrew. Everyone is entitled to a fair trial in a court of law no matter who they are. If he is found guilty, I'll call him worse than a nonce.
Jet why do you ignore the fact Andrew was best pals with a notorious rapist, guilty or innocent the person doesn't have a leg to stand on . Be honest now .
But we're talking about WITH evidence ,and they'll be a number of other suspicious encounters too. Being best friends with a notorious rapist isn't going to help your case either is it now.
Still doesn't prove conclusive guilt. If you know of evidence and other suspicious encounters, report it to the USA police. They will act on it.
Tom4784
07-03-2021, 07:58 PM
I believe his victim, I stand with her.
GoldHeart
07-03-2021, 07:58 PM
Still doesn't prove conclusive guilt. If you know of evidence and other suspicious encounters, report it to the USA police. They will act on it.
He stayed in contact with him ,a normal person would of cut ties immediately. But as the saying goes predators usually flock together .
Amy Jade
07-03-2021, 07:58 PM
I believe his victim, I stand with her.
Me too
Jet why do you ignore the fact Andrew was best pals with a notorious rapist, guilty or innocent the person doesn't have a leg to stand on . Be honest now .
I didn't ignore it, I have actually stated it. Read back.....
But there is still no actual evidence he had sex with the girl - he said he didn't, she said he did. I have no idea which statement is true, and neither do you.
Is it likely, maybe. But still no actual evidence. Twist it all you like, but those are the facts.
I'm not twisting anything, but once again you have failed to take my words and use them in the right context.
I don't want to be a judge, but I'd say the same to you as well.
Do you not have much experience with people? I can often tell when someone is lying to me, if I had a son who was accused of rape, and I couldn't believe him to be innocent, then I would turn my back on him. I don't forgive or tolerate rape. I couldn't love someone who would do that to another person, nevermind a child.
But maybe the Queen does believe him to be innocent, so why should she turn her back on him - because you say so?
GoldHeart
07-03-2021, 08:03 PM
But maybe the Queen does believe him to be innocent, so why should she turn her back on him - because you say so?
Well I think even if the Queen thinks he's guilty she'd still protect him.
Jordan.
07-03-2021, 08:12 PM
Well I think even if the Queen thinks he's guilty she'd still protect him.
Of course she would, it's no secret a good public image comes before any basic morals with this family.
Scarlett.
07-03-2021, 08:12 PM
I didn't ignore it, I have actually stated it. Read back.....
But there is still no actual evidence he had sex with the girl - he said he didn't, she said he did. I have no idea which statement is true, and neither do you.
Is it likely, maybe. But still no actual evidence. Twist it all you like, but those are the facts.
You can't tell me you saw the interview, with the man lying out of his backside, and believed him?
Glenn.
07-03-2021, 08:14 PM
For all of those saying he hasn’t been found guilty of anything then why is he not cooperating with the investigation?
Kazanne
07-03-2021, 08:14 PM
Some still defended Andrew actually and didn't want to believe the allegations, but continue to bury your head in the sand :hee:.
Thats it though they are, allegations same with the MJ thing really, he was found not guilty but is still guilty in some peoples view, If Andrew is found not guilty it won't matter as he is already guilty to some ,and it will never change, I made the MJ connection as I know you defended him as I did,but we were about the only two.
GoldHeart
07-03-2021, 08:15 PM
You can't tell me you saw the interview, with the man lying out of his backside, and believed him?
And the garbage about not being able to sweat , it was a cringefest seeing him bumble his way through excuse after excuse.
...I guess that Amy’s point as well...(...so far as I see it...)...is that Meghan has had accusations of bullying laid and there is at yet no proof../...there is still an investigation to take place...(...and hopefully an independent investigation...)...and yet it’s assumed that ‘there must be some truth..’...and she is a bully etc...but when Andrew is known to have visited and has admitted that he did visit Epstein at his home after Epstein had already been convicted in a court of soliciting a minor for prostitution, so maintaining a relationship/friendship with a convicted sex offender...that same ‘there must be truth in it...’...vibe etc..is quite contrasting...
...I would think that his parents/family etc would know and be able to clarify that he had a period of not being able to perspire at that time...that’s quite an unusual thing that those close to him would know...
GoldHeart
07-03-2021, 08:21 PM
Thats it though they are, allegations same with the MJ thing really, he was found not guilty but is still guilty in some peoples view, If Andrew is found not guilty it won't matter as he is already guilty to some ,and it will never change, I made the MJ connection as I know you defended him as I did,but we were about the only two.
Kaz this is literally nothing like MJ :facepalm: .
There's was countless evidence of extortion plans against MJ , plus he was investigated for a long time and the media were NEVER KIND to him. So we both know if he was guilty he would of been locked up . As they were out to get him so to speak.
But Andrew was best friends with a rapist ! . So as I've said already guilty or not that still doesn't look good on his part . And the comparisons of Meghan & Andrew is warped beyond belief .
Kazanne
07-03-2021, 08:32 PM
Kaz this is literally nothing like MJ :facepalm: .
There's was countless evidence of extortion plans against MJ , plus he was investigated for a long time and the media were NEVER KIND to him. So we both know if he was guilty he would of been locked up . As they were out to get him so to speak.
But Andrew was best friends with a rapist ! . So as I've said already guilty or not that still doesn't look good on his part . And the comparisons of Meghan & Andrew is warped beyond belief .
I get that , and I am not defending Andrew in anyway but he has to be found guilty or not by a court of law and hopefully that will come, as for Megan and Harry,tbh I couldn't give a toss but I dont think they will come out of all this too well and certainly will not get the privacy they so yearn for I can see the press never being kind to them again. Plus can you be found guilt of being besties with a rapist :shrug: surely they will have to prove more than that. For me Andrew and Megan and Harry are two totally different issues, I dont get the versus thing.
...I guess that Amy’s point as well...(...so far as I see it...)...is that Meghan has had accusations of bullying laid and there is at yet no proof../...there is still an investigation to take place...(...and hopefully an independent investigation...)...and yet it’s assumed that ‘there must be some truth..’...and she is a bully etc...but when Andrew is known to have visited and has admitted that he did visit Epstein at his home after Epstein had already been convicted in a court of soliciting a minor for prostitution, so maintaining a relationship/friendship with a convicted sex offender...that same ‘there must be truth in it...’...vibe etc..is quite contrasting...
I have always used the term 'alleged bullying' with Meghan though, just as Andrew is 'alleged' also. Whereas some are saying Meghan is NOT a bully, it is lies, but stating Andrew is guilty as a fact.
Also, accusations of bullying are not in the same league as having sex with a minor, which is a serious crime. Really, Ammi, come on.
...I would think that his parents/family etc would know and be able to clarify that he had a period of not being able to perspire at that time...that’s quite an unusual thing that those close to him would know...
see this is where David Ike comes in. He maintains that the royal family are actually lizards pretending to be humans. Clearly if they are lizards, they won't want that information confirmed or denied . If they confirm Andrew doesn't sweat, they are all lizards, if they confirm he does sweat, then that confirms he has lied :laugh:
I have always used the term 'alleged bullying' with Meghan though, just as Andrew is 'alleged' also. Whereas some are saying Meghan is NOT a bully, it is lies, but stating Andrew is guilty as a fact.
Also, accusations of bullying are not in the same league as having sex with a minor, which is a serious crime. Really, Ammi, come on.
...I have no idea why you feel that you always have to be so condescending and passive aggressive...it’s not a good look at all, Jet...
joeysteele
07-03-2021, 08:38 PM
...I guess that Amy’s point as well...(...so far as I see it...)...is that Meghan has had accusations of bullying laid and there is at yet no proof../...there is still an investigation to take place...(...and hopefully an independent investigation...)...and yet it’s assumed that ‘there must be some truth..’...and she is a bully etc...but when Andrew is known to have visited and has admitted that he did visit Epstein at his home after Epstein had already been convicted in a court of soliciting a minor for prostitution, so maintaining a relationship/friendship with a convicted sex offender...that same ‘there must be truth in it...’...vibe etc..is quite contrasting...
I agree with that Ammi all through.
Sadly I believe the investigation into Meghan's alleged bullying, is not going to be independent.
It will be an, internal Palace HR one.
Which is in effect, the Palace investigating itself, which I don't approve of.
I hate all internal investigations unless they allow them to be independent, public or via police investigation.
All it appears is at present re Prince Andrew, is the USA investigators only at this stage want to talk to him, to learn what he knew or anything that could help them.
Why he, and indeed the Queen see a problem with that, to then not permit it taking place and further to hide him away from all media and never talking to anyone about it.
Looks rather unsavoury, to me anyway.
see this is where David Ike comes in. He maintains that the royal family are actually lizards pretending to be humans. Clearly if they are lizards, they won't want that information confirmed or denied . If they confirm Andrew doesn't sweat, they are all lizards, if they confirm he does sweat, then that confirms he has lied :laugh:
...I do personally think that the royal ‘firm’ holds some very deep and unsavoury secrets...which is why also, it would feel ironic that Meghan has always been perceived to be the ‘one to watch’..as it were..:laugh:..
GoldHeart
07-03-2021, 08:43 PM
I agree with that Ammi all through.
Sadly I believe the investigation into Meghan's alleged bullying, is not going to be independent.
It will be an, internal Palace HR one.
Which is in effect, the Palace investigating itself, which I don't approve of.
I hate all internal investigations unless they allow them to be independent, public or via police investigation.
All it appears is at present re Prince Andrew, is the USA investigators only at this stage want to talk to him, to learn what he knew or anything that could help them.
Why he, and indeed the Queen see a problem with that, to then not permit it taking place and further to hide him away from all media and never talking to anyone about it.
Looks rather unsavoury, to me anyway.
I find it very weird aswell Joey , I guess we'll have to see what happens if anything will ever come of it .
...I have no idea why you feel that you always have to be so condescending and passive aggressive...it’s not a good look at all, Jet...
No more than many others Ammi which you don't comment on... :shrug:
Seeing you have gotten personal and are taking my post as personal against you when I would have said the same in answer to what you said to anyone...maybe don't be so ultra sensitive.
If 'really Ammi, come on' upsets you that much maybe you need to grow a thicker skin.
rusticgal
07-03-2021, 08:47 PM
It sounds like you're passing more judgement on me, for saying I would disown a child rapist, than you are for the said child rapist in question.
No I’m not...sorry because I didn’t have time to finish that post the way I would have liked. I don’t know whether you have children or not. Sometimes it’s easy to say that if you don’t have children. If you do...then I respect your honesty. I too would drag my child down to a police station...it would ruin my life if a child of mine were guilty of an abhorrent crime...but personally I would never disown them.
Scarlett.
07-03-2021, 08:48 PM
The truth is, Andrew will never face consequences, he will never see the inside of a police station. It took Saville's death for everything to come out about him, and he was just a skeevy 70s/80s celeb, Andrew is a Royal and basically untouchable.
Jake.
07-03-2021, 08:48 PM
because people are ****ing gross lol
absolutely insane how andrew being affiliated (at best) with nonces has been swept under the carpet in favour of a woman who wasn’t given a chance from the very beginning (for no good reason either)
joeysteele
07-03-2021, 08:54 PM
The truth is, Andrew will never face consequences, he will never see the inside of a police station. It took Saville's death for everything to come out about him, and he was just a skeevy 70s/80s celeb, Andrew is a Royal and basically untouchable.
I think sadly you are right all through on that.
Even only to talk to the investigation team.
No one's even indicating arrest of him.
It's just an information seeking exercise in relation to him as to what he may have known and when.
So where's the harm, in going and proving he knows nothing and can't assist them further.
That should be the biggest question, why won't he even do just that!!!
The truth is, Andrew will never face consequences, he will never see the inside of a police station. It took Saville's death for everything to come out about him, and he was just a skeevy 70s/80s celeb, Andrew is a Royal and basically untouchable.
Totally untrue. The investigation is ongoing and we still have to hear the evidence of that Griselle (or whatever her name is) woman. She may implicate Andrew and have evidence against him - we'll just have to wait and see.
rusticgal
07-03-2021, 08:56 PM
he has been repeatedly asked to volunteer his time to go and help investigations and has so far not gone. His age is irrelevant.
His age is relevant to the point that a 90+ year old woman is hardly going to grab her 61 year old son by the scruff of the neck and drag him kicking and screaming in a car and take him to a police station...
The U.S say they have asked him to cooperate but it’s been denied by the Palace...he could I guess be sopaenad and if he does then we will be sure to know about it.
Scarlett.
07-03-2021, 08:58 PM
Totally untrue. The investigation is ongoing and we still have to hear the evidence of that Griselle (or whatever her name is) woman. She may implicate Andrew and have evidence against him - we'll just have to wait and see.
Money and favours will be exchanged, and it will be buried, it always is. It's how the upper class functions.
No more than many others Ammi which you don't comment on... :shrug:
Seeing you have gotten personal and are taking my post as personal against you when I would have said the same in answer to what you said to anyone...maybe don't be so ultra sensitive.
If 'really Ammi, come on' upsets you that much maybe you need to grow a thicker skin.
...my skin is the perfect thickness, Jet...your passive aggressiveness is not so perfect, though...as you can imagine if it were being aimed at you...I’d appreciate it if you don’t direct it to me at all, when it isn’t necessary or justified...
joeysteele
07-03-2021, 09:01 PM
Money and favours will be exchanged, and it will be buried, it always is. It's how the upper class functions.
I agree.
Plus can anyone rational possibly really see if the USA demands his presence there.
The Queen and the government via the Home office and courts would have to agree to that.
Does anyone rational likely see any possibility of that happening.
Not a chance of it I'd say to that.
there will have to be some very serious allegation made against Andrew before he would face any criminal charges and even then i think they would claim diplomatic immunity as he was working for the government for much of the time in question. To sum up, Andrew knows he is unlikely to face any consequences so he won't cooperate with the investigation
there will have to be some very serious allegation made against Andrew before he would face any criminal charges and even then i think they would claim diplomatic immunity as he was working for the government for much of the time in question. To sum up, Andrew knows he is unlikely to face any consequences so he won't cooperate with the investigation
...I would say that he was told to step back fro. Royal duties ...(...I don’t know actually if his mother asked him to or whether he made that decision himself...)...and keep a low profile ...it’s been said that he’s refused to answer questions and for a regular person, it would be a long process to extradite them to the USA...but for a a member of the royal family, I have no idea how long it would take, if it was possible at all...
rusticgal
07-03-2021, 09:13 PM
there will have to be some very serious allegation made against Andrew before he would face any criminal charges and even then i think they would claim diplomatic immunity as he was working for the government for much of the time in question. To sum up, Andrew knows he is unlikely to face any consequences so he won't cooperate with the investigation
Puts him on par with the American ‘Diplomats wife who used Diplomatic immunity after killing that young boy....it’s all wrong.
...I don’t know the legality but it was said at the time that he was strongly advised not to do the interview because in doing it, it would mean that he would no longer have his right to diplomatic immunity...
Glenn.
07-03-2021, 09:57 PM
For all of those saying he hasn’t been found guilty of anything then why is he not cooperating with the investigation?
Can someone care to answer this please.
...my skin is the perfect thickness, Jet...your passive aggressiveness is not so perfect, though...as you can imagine if it were being aimed at you...I’d appreciate it if you don’t direct it to me at all, when it isn’t necessary or justified...
It often is by many, I don't complain every time though.
Can you explain to me what is passive aggressive about saying 'Come on Ammi'?
It was a reaction to how I felt about your words. Now I feel I need to tread carefully around you and react to you differently than to everyone else. Fine, If that's what you need.
GoldHeart
07-03-2021, 10:03 PM
Can someone care to answer this please.
I'm wondering the same thing tbh , but I guess because he's PRINCE Andrew he's untouchable.
Amy Jade
07-03-2021, 10:25 PM
His age is relevant to the point that a 90+ year old woman is hardly going to grab her 61 year old son by the scruff of the neck and drag him kicking and screaming in a car and take him to a police station...
The U.S say they have asked him to cooperate but it’s been denied by the Palace...he could I guess be sopaenad and if he does then we will be sure to know about it.
*sigh*
Nobody is expecting the Queen to take him down to the local police station like a mum that's found out their kid robbed someone's garden gnome and wants to give him a scare.
The palace are blatantly protecting him though and lying, people have gone on TV multiple times to say that he was asked to help investigations and he still hasn't and most likely will never help until he is forced to do so.
You only have to post a link to Andrew's interview to see what everyone thought about him..
This is new..
Jet why do you ignore the fact Andrew was best pals with a notorious rapist, guilty or innocent the person doesn't have a leg to stand on . Be honest now .
You do know he knew meghan as well yeah.:shrug:
You can't tell me you saw the interview, with the man lying out of his backside, and believed him?
Can you point out to me where I said I believed him? Honestly, read what is actually said instead of making things up.
What are we supposed to be comparing amy jade?
Ah ok ..andrew v meghan and harry..
Andrew's an obvious creep, a paedo..one who harry looked up to and judging by the old photos we have seen off him out his tits, one probably influenced by his uncle.
He goes on to marry a ****e actress, one his senior, one married before.. one obviously given roles cause shes done the casting couch..
3 immoral waste of spaces in one way or another.
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