The Killing of James Bulger

[Kazanne]

On at 9pm channel 5, if anyone is interested ,his brothers also appear in this program ,this murder was years ago but still fresh in some peoples minds.

[Niamh.]

I think I'd find it a very hard watch, I do like true crime documentaries but this one has always stuck with me as one of the worst things I ever remember happening. I think I'd find it too upsetting actually. Doesn't bare thinking about what they did to that poor boy

[Livia]

I can see that little boy's face in my mind really clearly even now.

[UserSince2005]

Not heard about this before, I might give it a watch.

[arista]

Its a New 2 Parter Ch5HD

9PM-10:30PM
tonight

Then
9PM-10:30PM Thursday.

[Kazanne]

He would have been 31 on March 16th, he was murdered just shy of his 3rd birthday, he will never be forgotten ,and I still think that justice was never done for him or his family, even though so many years have gone by ,its still very sad his name is synonymous
with sadness and shock .His biological brother Michael is how James may have looked if he had lived.

[jet]

On at 9pm channel 5, if anyone is interested ,his brothers also appear in this program ,this murder was years ago but still fresh in some peoples minds.

I'd like to see how little James's family are getting on, but I don't know if I could bear it Kaz. It's just so horrific....and if it talks about those 2 murderers getting all that help to have new lives, I'd definitely have to switch off.

[Amy Jade]

I've got it on record but I don't know if I can honestly watch it. I enjoy true crime but I can't cope with details on kids or animals being harmed, it makes me feel sick.

[Zizu]

I'd like to see how little James's family are getting on, but I don't know if I could bear it Kaz. It's just so horrific....and if it talks about those 2 murderers getting all that help to have new lives, I'd definitely have to switch off.



Last I heard - one of them was ‘housed’ in a secure unit about a mile away from us ( Manchester) .

Guess he could have been moved away by now ... it was about 6 years ago .


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[Kazanne]

Last I heard - one of them was ‘housed’ in a secure unit about a mile away from us ( Manchester) .

Guess he could have been moved away by now ... it was about 6 years ago .


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One of them was in Barton Moss secure unit in Manchester, but that was a few years ago.

[Vanessa]

This was so heartbreaking.
It reminds me of Baby P, I went to the cemetery to pay my respects.
Anytime a poor little soul loses their life like this it really upsets me. :sad:

[AnnieK]

One of them was in Barton Moss secure unit in Manchester, but that was a few years ago.

He's not in Barton Moss now, its a children's unit.

[AnnieK]

I don't think I can watch it, its so heartbreaking. I read Ralph's book and it stayed with me for ages afterwards.

[Ammi]

...I may watch it later, I’m not sure...his brothers are going to be taking part as well, I’ve read...I recall watching an interview once with Sarah Payne’s sister and as upsetting and heartbreaking as these things are to watch...it’s interesting to listen to how sibling lives have been impacted in horrific cases such as these because their lives have obviously been completely changed as well..this is part of a series of other cases as well, Kaz..?..

[joeysteele]

He was born less than 2 years before myself.
When I think of my life and all he's been denied it is heartbreaking.

I'll watch it.
Just awful to think he'd only be a couple of years older than me, with so much life he should have had to come yet.
Really heartbreaking.

As I learned about this horrific murder much later than it took place obviously.
It was the one time I had a thought as to there should be the death penalty for the evil pair that tortured him, then killed him.

It's a story whenever anything is on TV about it, I have to watch.
Even though it tears me to pieces.
Even worse thinking of the protection his evil killers have had in life.

I'm always crushed too, when I see his Mother Denise.
The torment and pain she must have gone through and her admirable determination to try to hold some real justice for her son.
While highlighting the protection of those rotten pair of killers.

[hijaxers]

On at 9pm channel 5, if anyone is interested ,his brothers also appear in this program ,this murder was years ago but still fresh in some peoples minds.

How anyone can forget what those vile lads did , i've watched every prog over years and it all still disgusts , its right up there for the most vile killers and the memories never go away . The fact that one of them has continued to be a threat makes me wish he were locked away for life.

[Zizu]

One of them was in Barton Moss secure unit in Manchester, but that was a few years ago.



It wasn’t that unit so they must be moving them around ..


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[AnnieK]

It wasn’t that unit so they must be moving them around ..


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They were in Prestwich for a while too Zizu. They are not in Manchester now though I don't think, one I think is in prison and the other has a new identity.

[Kazanne]

It wasn’t that unit so they must be moving them around ..


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One was there just after they were found guilty,but that was years ago, Venables is in prison (supposedly) Thompson has gone on to keep his head down and stay out of trouble apparently

[GoldHeart]

I've got it on record but I don't know if I can honestly watch it. I enjoy true crime but I can't cope with details on kids or animals being harmed, it makes me feel sick.

Especially kids so young, he was still a baby pretty much. This is one of the most horrific unsettling crimes in history.

[Kazanne]

How anyone can forget what those vile lads did , i've watched every prog over years and it all still disgusts , its right up there for the most vile killers and the memories never go away . The fact that one of them has continued to be a threat makes me wish he were locked away for life.

Yes , the one who has offended TWICE should never be set free again,he obviously didnt learn anything, as for the other one, not much known about him, but seems to have kept his nose clean,but I do think when they were 18 they should have both gone to a big boys prison, they had no punishment really ,infact they got more from that murder than they would have ever had,imo.

[Ammi]

...I hadn’t realised it was two parts with the second part this evening...all the way through when Denise and the police had so much hope and we all knew, obviously....we were still there with her in every step of her hope, even though we knew...poor baby...going through each hour step by step with her...like Denise, I can’t ever imagine leaving that last place in the shopping centre either...going home and leaving him alone, how much that would have torn her apart when she was already torn open...and when the police saw him being taken by the two boys, that they had this sense of relief that it would be okay now...two children wouldn't have harmed him, he was just lost somewhere ..but now he’d be found and with his family again...and to be found by children as well...

[joeysteele]

...I hadn’t realised it was two parts with the second part this evening...all the way through when Denise and the police had so much hope and we all knew, obviously....we were still there with her in every step of her hope, even though we knew...poor baby...going through each hour step by step with her...like Denise, I can’t ever imagine leaving that last place in the shopping centre either...going home and leaving him alone, how much that would have torn her apart when she was already torn open...and when the police saw him being taken by the two boys, that they had this sense of relief that it would be okay now...two children wouldn't have harmed him, he was just lost somewhere ..but now he’d be found and with his family again...and to be found by children as well...

Really great post.

I really feel for his Mum Denise too..
As I said, I've always admired her determination to get true justice for little James.

This is one of, if not the, most horrific and most heartbreaking of murders.

[Kazanne]

Just as heartbreaking as when it first happened, and both his parents destroyed really, I can't think of anything worse than to lose a child this way.I Will be watching the second part tonight, I often wonder if those boys ever really feel any remorse.

[Zizu]

...I hadn’t realised it was two parts with the second part this evening...all the way through when Denise and the police had so much hope and we all knew, obviously....we were still there with her in every step of her hope, even though we knew...poor baby...going through each hour step by step with her...like Denise, I can’t ever imagine leaving that last place in the shopping centre either...going home and leaving him alone, how much that would have torn her apart when she was already torn open...and when the police saw him being taken by the two boys, that they had this sense of relief that it would be okay now...two children wouldn't have harmed him, he was just lost somewhere ..but now he’d be found and with his family again...and to be found by children as well...



I don’t think I’ll ever forget seeing that news “footage” of them walking him out of the precinct.... so very , very sad


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[joeysteele]

Just as heartbreaking as when it first happened, and both his parents destroyed really, I can't think of anything worse than to lose a child this way.I Will be watching the second part tonight, I often wonder if those boys ever really feel any remorse.

I think one possibly has a little but more likely out of how he realises his part in this horrific murder has impacted on his life..
Rightly so.
However both have had too much protection in my view, they carried out an evil murder, for which they at the very least should have been kept out of society for the rest of their lives.

The other one, no, I don't think he has the slightest hint of remorse.
Events have shown he, even with protection, still goes on to offend again.

The ONLY person that matters is James.
He had his life robbed even before he reached school age.
Those responsible should have been shut away from society for the rest of their lives.
In my view.

[Ammi]

Just as heartbreaking as when it first happened, and both his parents destroyed really, I can't think of anything worse than to lose a child this way.I Will be watching the second part tonight, I often wonder if those boys ever really feel any remorse.

...I was wondering how their mothers would be feeling, being present at their interviews and listening to what they’d done...they were their babies, weren’t they ...and they were barely more than babies and they’d done this horrific thing to James...

[Kazanne]

...I was wondering how their mothers would be feeling, being present at their interviews and listening to what they’d done...they were their babies, weren’t they ...and they were barely more than babies and they’d done this horrific thing to James...

I cannot begin to imagine how I would feel if one of mine did such a heinous thing , I just cannot say how I would react, I don't think they were babies though ,the only baby really was James, I think they knew exactly what they were doing as well.

[Beso]

Hard going this..

I feel sick thinking about them walking James 3 miles before the train tracks.

[joeysteele]

Two truly horrible evil creatures.

This is a very heavy and heartbreaking account of this evil murder.

[hijaxers]

I cannot begin to imagine how I would feel if one of mine did such a heinous thing , I just cannot say how I would react, I don't think they were babies though ,the only baby really was James, I think they knew exactly what they were doing as well.


That was a lot of the problem , no parenting at all , not cared for , total truants causing trouble ~ there was no one caring at all when at the point of your young life you have empathy relayed ~ they had sod all ! Still no excuse 1000's of kids grow up in dire circumstances but they don't go out killing toddlers.

[Beso]

All the faces of the people being interviewed, you can see the strain of this case on thier faces.

Then Denise Fergus, James's mum..Her face, a true picture pain and anguish.

[hijaxers]

All the faces of the people being interviewed, you can see the strain of this case on thier faces.

Then Denise Fergus, James's mum..Her face, a true picture pain and anguish.

Yes its taken the toll on poor Denise because there's been no end to the horror regarding of one of them > Complete bastard neeeds locking up for life , total danger esp young people.

[Cherie]

I couldn't watch this sorry Kaz

although having watch 15 minutes of Gordons Ramsays game show, I was sorely tempted.

[hijaxers]

I couldn't watch this sorry Kaz

although having watch 15 minutes of Gordons Ramsays game show, I was sorely tempted.

Wow Cherie 15 mins of Gordon who should have a huge kitchen shoved up his duck run Ramsey ~ dunno how you can stand that :fist:

[Beso]

I'm taking heart that all of James's future siblings were all boys.

[joeysteele]

The pain from and showing in his Mother's Denise face.
Is really hauntingly saddening.

What that Lady has gone through and suffered is a nightmare.

Hearing all this again, was truly heartbreaking as to all that James suffered at the hands of the evil those creatures always intended to do that day.

[Kazanne]

I'm taking heart that all of James's future siblings were all boys.

Michael is his full brother,the other two brothers are from her second marriage,did you know Parmy ,before James was born Denise lost a daughter Kirsty who was still born, this lady has been dealt a terrible hand,how she's got through all this God knows. Ralph James dad now has just daughters .

[Kazanne]

I couldn't watch this sorry Kaz

although having watch 15 minutes of Gordons Ramsays game show, I was sorely tempted.

No need to be sorry Cherie, I'm sure you know his story,its etched in history:wavey:

[rusticgal]

Have not watched it yet...but I’m going to.

[arista]

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[Mystic Mock]

Well didn't the disgusting pig get sentenced for possessing CP? And I don't mean a picture of Wilfried Zaha unfortunately.

Imo this individual should not be let out under any circumstances, he is a clear danger to children, he showed it when he killed James Bulger all of those years ago and he has shown it since.

If the court sets this sick **** free then it just further goes to show how we as a society aren't holding our Politicians to higher standards, because I honestly don't think that this should be even up for debate, the guy has shown that he can't be rehabilitated so keep the sicko in Prison.

[Gusto Brunt]

Hard going this..

I feel sick thinking about them walking James 3 miles before the train tracks.

It's not something that enters a normal child's head to kill another child.

It takes an intense evil to do that, and it's an evil that never goes away even in adulthood. I don't care what anyone else says.

[joeysteele]

I hope Jamie's Mother Denise gets her wish here.
He shouldn't be released.

His other offences indicate he hasn't changed enough.
As well as the pain inflicted on poor Jamie in this horrific crime, to have further pain inflicted on his Mother and family endlessly with this individual in and out of prison is really cruel.

[Zizu]

I hope Jamie's Mother Denise gets her wish here.
He shouldn't be released.

His other offences indicate he hasn't changed enough.
As well as the pain inflicted on poor Jamie in this horrific crime, to have further pain inflicted on his Mother and family endlessly with this individual in and out of prison is really cruel.


Apparently he’s ‘housed’ in our area so I certainly don’t want him released around here !!!

I wonder how they they decide where the best place to release is ?

Presumably as far away as possible from the crime scene / where he was brought up
?

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[joeysteele]

Well didn't the disgusting pig get sentenced for possessing CP? And I don't mean a picture of Wilfried Zaha unfortunately.

Imo this individual should not be let out under any circumstances, he is a clear danger to children, he showed it when he killed James Bulger all of those years ago and he has shown it since.

If the court sets this sick **** free then it just further goes to show how we as a society aren't holding our Politicians to higher standards, because I honestly don't think that this should be even up for debate, the guy has shown that he can't be rehabilitated so keep the sicko in Prison.


Just read your post again.

I absolutely agree with every word.

This must be like an ever recurring nightmare to his Mother and the family.

[thesheriff443]

Child killers should get life full stop

What people seem to forget is that there are hundreds of men and women back out on the streets after not only killing some one else’s child but their own as well

[Zizu]

Child killers should get life full stop

What people seem to forget is that there are hundreds of men and women back out on the streets after not only killing some one else’s child but their own as well


Yes it’s a scary thought as well ..


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[joeysteele]

Child killers should get life full stop

What people seem to forget is that there are hundreds of men and women back out on the streets after not only killing some one else’s child but their own as well

I also agree in full with that.
The second statement a really strong one.

[GoldHeart]

Yes it’s a scary thought as well ..


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I don't understand why this evil sicko keeps getting chance after chance, as I keep saying I have ZERO faith in this justice system :bored:.

The most sadistic disgusting creeps who continue to RE offend,are the ones they seem to look after . These scumbags are beyond rehabilitation.

I'm still thinking about the Katie Piper attacker aswell. All of these criminals are laughing in their victims & families faces,they know they can get away with it ..and only get a very lenient sentence.

[hijaxers]

Just read your post again.

I absolutely agree with every word.

This must be like an ever recurring nightmare to his Mother and the family.

Yes poor Denise has been forced to relive the nightmare over and over ~ she had a life sentence so why didn't he ????

[joeysteele]

Yes poor Denise has been forced to relive the nightmare over and over ~ she had a life sentence so why didn't he ????

That's the other horrifically cruel part.
The life sentence she has had inflicted on her.

Strong point that hijaxers.

[Mystic Mock]

Just read your post again.

I absolutely agree with every word.

This must be like an ever recurring nightmare to his Mother and the family.

All I can say is that the family do well to stay within the law.

I'm glad that they are staying within the law for their own benefit, but tbh I don't know if I would if someone hurt any of my family members the way that this sick **** hurt James Bulger.

[Kazanne]

We were promised that if any of these morons re offended they would go straight back to prison and stay there ,this never happened so have lost all faith in the British judicial system, what they did was disgusting and almost finished James's dad and had a lifetime effect on all the family. Denise has been a constant campaigner and Ralph has also pleaded to the parole board not to free Venables,but you can bet he will be freed as they really don't seem to care about the victims.

[bots]

i dont't understand our prison system anymore. The prison service is there to serve and protect the public and recently the opposite seems to be true

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

This would be one thing for sure to applaud Dominic Raab for, if it does become reality.
I'd be one of the first to do so too.

[arista]

SkyNews text :
[The brother of murdered toddler James Bulger
has called for one of the killers, Jon Venables, to be kept
in jail for the rest of his life - that's on the front
of the Sunday Express.]


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[joeysteele]

Fully agree with Michael here.
He should be away from the public for life.

After all Michael is highlighting just a little of the life sentence of pain and loss that's been inflicted on the family.

[Kazanne]

Fully agree with Michael here.
He should be away from the public for life.

After all Michael is highlighting just a little of the life sentence of pain and loss that's been inflicted on the family.

Can you believe its been 30 years Joey,30 years of pain for the family and 30 more I guess until they pass themselves, as for Venables,hes been recalled twice and the public were promised if one of them reoffended they would go back to prison for life,so why is he afforded two chances when they gave little James none.:wavey:

[Cherie]

Can you believe its been 30 years Joey,30 years of pain for the family and 30 more I guess until they pass themselves, as for Venables,hes been recalled twice and the public were promised if one of them reoffended they would go back to prison for life,so why is he afforded two chances when they gave little James none.:wavey:


Poor little mite I dont think there has been any crime so shocking since thankfully

[rusticgal]

Fingers crossed there will be some justice at last for James...

[joeysteele]

Can you believe its been 30 years Joey,30 years of pain for the family and 30 more I guess until they pass themselves, as for Venables,hes been recalled twice and the public were promised if one of them reoffended they would go back to prison for life,so why is he afforded two chances when they gave little James none.:wavey:

Totally agree Kazanne.
I hope Raab does help ensure he now stays in jail.
This tormenting of James's family needs to be halted.

[Beso]

He was given a chance and blew it as an adult.. He deserves to die in prison

[Beso]

Poor little mite I dont think there has been any crime so shocking since thankfully

I wouldn't bet on that. The world is just so desenticised these days that stories like this dont really make headline news anymore.

Kids are being abducted all over the place, and it seems onlynlical news cover the stories.

[Kazanne]

I wouldn't bet on that. The world is just so desenticised these days that stories like this dont really make headline news anymore.

Kids are being abducted all over the place, and it seems onlynlical news cover the stories.

Yes they are but this crime is particualy henious as the things done to James are unrepeatable and vile, and for no other reason than they were bored and skiving school, sly,devious and pre meditated.

[thesheriff443]

Yes they are but this crime is particualy henious as the things done to James are unrepeatable and vile, and for no other reason than they were bored and skiving school, sly,devious and pre meditated.

I heard only today one of the things they did to James that I had never heard before and I think if people knew those two should have never been let out.

[Mystic Mock]

Poor little mite I dont think there has been any crime so shocking since thankfully

I personally feel like the Baby P & Arthur cases come close.

I honestly believe that Venables is a danger to children and should never be let out of Prison.

But knowing how society in general tends to make the wrong choice, he'll be out to re-offend before you know it.

[LaLaLand]

He was the same age as me. Poor little thing. :sad:

[Kazanne]

I heard only today one of the things they did to James that I had never heard before and I think if people knew those two should have never been let out.

Some of it was not made public, he had 42 injuries Sheriff and his parents were not allowed to see him, theres a few things that were never reported on main stream media.Vile individuals.:wavey: