Females: Would you feel safer? 6pm Male only curfew

[Amy Jade]

A temporary 6pm curfew for men so women to feel safer walking home in the evening.

What are your feelings?

[Marsh.]

What would a temporary curfew achieve?

Not to mention how would such a ridiculous idea be enforced?

[Amy Jade]

What would a temporary curfew achieve?

Not to mention how would such a ridiculous idea be enforced?

Not looked too much into it but it's being discussed on twitter in light of the recent murder of Sarah Everard.

[rusticgal]

It’s a ridiculous idea that’s never going to happen...

Sadly whether you are male or female...walking alone at night you are vulnerable. Safety in numbers..stay over or get a cab or drive.

[GoldHeart]

Silly idea, and as mentioned by others how would that even be enforce it?.
Plus you're still at risk walking alone in the evenings.

[DouglasS]

Would probably be more unsafe for women, as all the guys that would be aid/helpful in a dangerous situation would be at home, whilst the extremely small minority of guys that would offend would have more empty streets making it easier to carry through on an assault... making it more unsafe for women. Such a dumb idea for so many reasons (including for women)

[Beso]

It's as daft an idea as me suggesting to you to sleep on a roundabout if you can't get home.

[Beso]

What the world needs is more men to stand up to the plate.

[arista]

What the world needs is more men to stand up to the plate.


Yes


It was a Stupid Crazy Suggestion
in the House of Lords
Green Female MP

[Shaun]

I daresay that violent men who want to go out and rape/murder someone aren't really going to listen to a curfew.

[caprimint]

Would probably be more unsafe for women, as all the guys that would be aid/helpful in a dangerous situation would be at home, whilst the extremely small minority of guys that would offend would have more empty streets making it easier to carry through on an assault... making it more unsafe for women. Such a dumb idea for so many reasons (including for women)
Yep, this.

Not only would it be extremely stupid and unfair, it would also be more unsafe. Also women offenders exist too...

[Ammi]

...what is needed I think is more value placed on females through the court system and sentencing...it was only a few months ago that Timothy Brehmer...(...also an officer of the law and a self proclaimed manipulative liar...)...was sentenced to just 10yrs for strangling Claire Parry to death..so he will probably serve around 5ish years then...?...that’s the value placed on a female life taken in a sentence that was reduced to manslaughter...curfew isn’t the answer, it’s not a practical/feasible or doable thing...any ‘solutions’ have to come from the justice system in punishments and the valuing of life...the families of women should not have to go through any appeal systems to try to seek justice...

[Cherie]

My thoughts are that I have brought up two boys who are very respectful of women and have lived with a man for 25 year plus who is the same, so the people who even suggesting this on twitter should take a look at the men in their lives and ask is this really what I want for them and how would it be even enforced what about men who need to travel to or from work after 6pm for instance, what about gay men...or men who have just landed back from holiday...oops its 5 minutes past six what will I do :joker:

[user104658]

As was pointed out on the other thread, this isn't a serious discussion and was posed as an understandable sarcastic backlash to a met police person suggesting that women should have a curfew "for their own safety" - with women then for good reason saying "Umm what?? How about we keep MEN at home then women can go out safely!"

It seems to have grown wings as a serious suggestion but it's obviously not feasible, for various reasons, in either form.

But yeah the reason it started trending on social media was because there was a serious suggestion made about a curfew for women" for your own good", which is just an absolute mess of a concept.

[user104658]

I'd add that it quite successfully illustrated what was intended;

An awful lot of the same people who were saying "Well it's unfortunate but that seems sensible... safety first..." when a curfew for women was suggested immediately switched to "WHAT?? This is outrageous!!" when someone suggested one for men :idc:

[Ammi]

...just following on from TS...the male only curfew was never meant as a serious suggestion, just a response to the suggestion that females could be kept safer by having a female curfew placed on them...but it seems to have gone very quickly from ...what can men do as well to help females feel safe etc...to...oh, only female police officers with that male curfew, then, no male officer assistance...some of the the comments that I’m reading on other sites this morning are very interesting ...

[Kazanne]

Its not fair to punish all men for the wrongdoings of the few so no it won't happen .

[Niamh.]

As was pointed out on the other thread, this isn't a serious discussion and was posed as an understandable sarcastic backlash to a met police person suggesting that women should have a curfew "for their own safety" - with women then for good reason saying "Umm what?? How about we keep MEN at home then women can go out safely!"

It seems to have grown wings as a serious suggestion but it's obviously not feasible, for various reasons, in either form.

But yeah the reason it started trending on social media was because there was a serious suggestion made about a curfew for women" for your own good", which is just an absolute mess of a concept.It is interesting though that people are only outraged when it's suggested men have the curfew.

Anyway my thoughts are that same as Ammi's really

[Crimson Dynamo]

typical social media nonsense

[arista]

That Crazy Green MP (that asked for this) is on GMBHD itv.

[UserSince2005]

the bad men would have a field day

[user104658]

It is interesting though that people are only outraged when it's suggested men have the curfew.

Anyway my thoughts are that same as Ammi's reallyYeah like I said, amazing the number of people who can go from "yeah a curfew for women seems sensible got to keep 'em safe..." to "a curfew for ME?? What are you saying??!!?" in the space of two tweets.


I do think there are two things at play here though. One is obvious double standards, two is social media "Chinese whispers" (i.e. a lot of people who are annoyed at the suggestion of a curfew on men don't know that it was first suggested for women and would have been annoyed about that too, but they're missing half of the context due to the evolving nature of hash tags, and think it's sprung up out of nowhere as a suggestion).

[Dogeatdog]

Sorry but this 6pm curfew thing just doesn’t make any sense to me. What happens then if your job is working past the curfew or night shifts?

[Ammi]

...I think that there are many things at play with this and why it’s raised so much emotion ...women haven’t felt and don’t feel protected by the justice system, a system that still places female victims on trial...that’s something that isn’t progressing ...but another layer of ‘positions of trust’ is being added ...that’s a breach of trust that won’t easily heal either...females already feel vulnerable and unprotected and we all know that it doesn’t work in saying...oh, it’s only one police representative so all is fine ...that’s not how it works because it’s exposed another level and layer of fear for females in those serving to protect...

[Cherie]

Sorry but this 6pm curfew thing just doesn’t make any sense to me. What happens then if your job is working past the curfew or night shifts?

completely unworkable for women or men, but it was genuinely suggested for women last week :facepalm:

[Crimson Dynamo]

what has a random killing in London got to do with say Kilmarnock, Angelsey or Exeter?

people genuinely have no concept of population numbers in the UK

there are 10,000,000 people in LOndon alone

[Dogeatdog]

completely unworkable for women or men, but it was genuinely suggested for women last week :facepalm:

I agree Cherie it wouldn’t work for either. What happens to our nurses if there is a 6pm curfew and their shift finishes at 8?

It’s just something that isn’t realistic and an outright stupid suggestion.

[rusticgal]

That Crazy Green MP (that asked for this) is on GMBHD itv.


She looks like a nutcase...:laugh:

[Denver]

It's not necessary but we need to be more aware maybe they should bring in awareness classes at schools to help deall with this sort of stuff but I think men and women need to work together to sort the situation out

[Alf]

Girl Power!

[Captain.Remy]

It's not necessary but we need to be more aware maybe they should bring in awareness classes at schools to help deall with this sort of stuff but I think men and women need to work together to sort the situation out

The earlier they're aware, the better indeed.
I know in France they tried it as from the age of 6 to 18, but the funds for those classes were cut after a few years. A shame really because it received good feedback from all.:shrug:

[Tom4784]

It was pretty obvious that the MP who suggested this wasn't seriously suggesting it, but was saying it to prove a point. The vast majority of sexual assaults and attacks are committed by men, a majority of violent crime in general is committed by men.

Most men are too concerned with being all like 'well, that's not me, #notallmen', and it's an attitude that allows such violence to prosper by washing their hands of involvement. Cultural norms, a lack of educating men in particular in empathy, an acceptance of lad culture. All elements are part of the problem here.

[Alf]

I'm no fan of the Green Party, but I'm fairly sure what that woman said was tongue in cheek.

The scary thing is those who took her seriously and agreed with her.

[user104658]

The earlier they're aware, the better indeed.
I know in France they tried it as from the age of 6 to 18, but the funds for those classes were cut after a few years. A shame really because it received good feedback from all.:shrug:

My daughter is 11 now and from my experiences of her interactions with the boys in her class - you have until they're about 9. Which is really shocking but that's the age (around Primary 5) that a portion of the "lads" turn into little misogynistic arseholes... they're all just kids up until that point. Yes you get the "ugh no that's girls stuff/boys stuff" kid drama before then, but at 9/10 it starts to take on that properly insidious misogyny that carries on right through the teens for (frankly) most, and into adulthood for many.

There are the "good eggs" but they're being mocked into introversion already. The girls themselves these days are thankfully very vocal and able to hold their own, or more, we may have created a bit of a warrior :joker:.

It does however strike/worry me quite often that the physical gap hasn't immerged yet at 11 and while the girls can easily take on a group of skinny little boys without any worries, the picture starts to look very different once you get to the mid teens and the boys can (and do) physically intimidate as well.

But yeah... 9/10 years old before you've started losing them. :shrug: actual children, the situation is dire.

[Captain.Remy]

It was pretty obvious that the MP who suggested this wasn't seriously suggesting it, but was saying it to prove a point. The vast majority of sexual assaults and attacks are committed by men, a majority of violent crime in general is committed by men.

Most men are too concerned with being all like 'well, that's not me, #notallmen', and it's an attitude that allows such violence to prosper by washing their hands of involvement. Cultural norms, a lack of educating men in particular in empathy, an acceptance of lad culture. All elements are part of the problem here.

Yeah they're like "I don't do it so don't say all men". :rolleyes:
But like there's a reason women are scared, there is a reason most sexual assault are committed by men as you pointed out. It's that there is a big enough concern for women to speak up about it to make ALL men involved in this.

I have a friend who is a teacher, and as mentionned earlier, there were such workshops/lessons in high school about it in France. Some of her students came back the next day saying "this is bullsh!t, what you said is not true, men are better than women" etc And she felt discouraged because what she was trying to teach them at school was destroyed at home. :shrug:

[Cherie]

Yeah they're like "I don't do it so don't say all men". :rolleyes:
But like there's a reason women are scared, there is a reason most sexual assault are committed by men as you pointed out. It's that there is a big enough concern for women to speak up about it to make ALL men involved in this.

I have a friend who is a teacher, and as mentionned earlier, there were such workshops/lessons in high school about it in France. Some of her students came back the next day saying "this is bullsh!t, what you said is not true, men are better than women" etc And she felt discouraged because what she was trying to teach them at school was destroyed at home. :shrug:

The elephant in the room is that a lot of that kind of attitude is cultural

[user104658]

The elephant in the room is that a lot of that kind of attitude is cultural

Well yes, the strength of what's being taught at home will always massively outweigh what's taught in school and even from peers with a lot of this stuff. For example, if there's a kid at school spouting sectarianism, you can bet your bottom dollar that Dad's at home watching the Rangers game. *ahem* :whistle:

On the other hand, offering an alternative view (and a strong one) is important because you WILL get divergence from parent's attitudes in kids and teens. A spark of "Umm I'm not sure this is right..." when hearing what their parents are saying, but that can quickly be stamped out if there isn't an alternative view being offered... if it's all you hear, you're eventually going to think "hmm I guess it MUST be right then".

[Jessica.]

Yeah I don't like that idea, also there's a good chance that a man will intervene and help out if someone is attacking another person anyway. People just need to be educated not to prey on the vulnerable.

[GoldHeart]

People can't even follow lockdown Covid rules, so how on earth would they follow this ridiculous curfew.

And the muggers , perverts and killers will still prey on the vulnerable . Plus what about female perpetrators?.

[Denver]

Maybe a bit controversial but i think Self Defence classes should be made as part of PE lessons

[user104658]

Maybe a bit controversial but i think Self Defence classes should be made as part of PE lessonsThey wouldn't hurt but unfortunately they're largely not much use. Until you get to the "highest tiers" of martial arts/combat sports (basically professional), the height/weight disadvantage is really all that matters.

Even for men fighting men, a non-pro 5'7 karate blackbelt is likely to be flattened by a 200lb 6'2 guy with no fight training.

[arista]

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[michael21]

A temporary 6pm curfew for men so women to feel safer walking home in the evening.

What are your feelings?

What if it a brother or a dad walking there sister or daughter home from work

[Redway]

A 6pm curfew would be absolute nonsense.

[bots]

a 6pm curfew is also completely impractical. Also, men would just start identifying as women and no-one would be able to question it

[Niamh.]

I don't think it was a serious suggestion it was just to maybe get men to understand how ridiculous and unfair it is when it's suggested women should have a curfew for safety

[Mystic Mock]

Would probably be more unsafe for women, as all the guys that would be aid/helpful in a dangerous situation would be at home, whilst the extremely small minority of guys that would offend would have more empty streets making it easier to carry through on an assault... making it more unsafe for women. Such a dumb idea for so many reasons (including for women)

And this is a good argument too.

Edit... I get that it was tongue in cheek now, apologies for being an idiot.:laugh:

[user104658]

See arista this is what happens when you resurrect 6+ month old threads.

[Mystic Mock]

See arista this is what happens when you resurrect 6+ month old threads.

:laugh:

I've got to stop charging in and just read the whole thread first.:joker:

[Beso]

It was pretty obvious that the MP who suggested this wasn't seriously suggesting it, but was saying it to prove a point. The vast majority of sexual assaults and attacks are committed by men, a majority of violent crime in general is committed by men.

Most men are too concerned with being all like 'well, that's not me, #notallmen', and it's an attitude that allows such violence to prosper by washing their hands of involvement. Cultural norms, a lack of educating men in particular in empathy, an acceptance of lad culture. All elements are part of the problem here.

Most men are like women, and refuse to be associated or labelled with human scum.

[michael21]

I don't think it was a serious suggestion it was just to maybe get men to understand how ridiculous and unfair it is when it's suggested women should have a curfew for safety

Oh well I agree it is ridiculous who said about the curfew anyway

Also you said men some might agree or disagree but it unfair to just blanket label