Hartlepool : 6th May by-election contest : Conservative Win

[arista]

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-mp-quits-commons-to-set-up-key-by-election-contest-12247622


[The by-election could be held on 6 May
to coincide with local and mayoral elections in England,
and will pose the first electoral test of
Sir Keir Starmer's leadership since taking
over from Jeremy Corbyn last year.]
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-56416603


[The 57-year-old's constituency was one of the few
"Red Wall" strongholds that Labour managed
to hold on to in 2019.]


[In September 2019,
Mr Hill was suspended by Labour after allegations
he sexually harassed a woman.

But, a month later, the 57-year-old revealed he had
been reinstated to the party and
said he "completely rejected" the allegations.

A final hearing of an employment tribunal
concerning Mr Hill is scheduled for 10 May.]

[UserSince2005]

Can't say I'm ever surprised when it comes to Labour MPs

[joeysteele]

This is going to be a tricky by election.
I think Labour have a struggle on here to hold this in a much lower turnout by-election.

It's been more than a bit of a possible loss for a few elections.

[arista]

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[smudgie]

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Does this fame hungry twat never give up.:fist:
Get back to proper doctoring.

[MTVN]

Richard Tice will probably contest the seat for Reform UK - previously the Brexit party and they got a lot of votes in 2019. I don't think he'll get much cut through now Brexit is done though, I can see the Tories taking this seat

[arista]

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Back in 2011 Williams tweeted
"who is your favourite Tory MILF"


On Marr BBC1HD today.


https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/labour-hartlepool-election-candidate-paul-20217885

[Asked if use of the word milf was appropriate during a
visit to Glasgow, Sir Keir said: "No it isn't and Hartlepool is
obviously a very important by-election for us."]


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[arista]

richard tice will probably contest the seat for reform uk - previously the brexit party and they got a lot of votes in 2019. I don't think he'll get much cut through now brexit is done though, i can see the tories taking this seat

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https://twitter.com/hashtag/HartlepoolByElection?src=hashtag_click

[Cherie]

Unfortunate name :joker:

[arista]

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[arista]

16 running

On BBC2HD Politics Live
in Hartlepool
A reporter was there

[arista]

BBCnewsHD
is Live in Hartlepool, today

They spoke to the Labour MP.
And a Local who will not vote Labour

The Conservative, could not find time to meet
the BBC?

The reporter says the Conservative Jill Mortimer
is welcome to meet them?


Track her down

[joeysteele]

BBCnewsHD
is Live in Hartlepool, today

They spoke to the Labour MP.
And a Local who will not vote Labour

The Conservative, could not find time to meet
the BBC?

The reporter says the Conservative Jill Mortimer
is welcome to meet them?


Track her down

Really odd that of her just a week away from voting.

I don't care for the Labour candidate either though.

This is a very tricky by election which could be a Con gain, if their candidate decides to connect.

[arista]

Keir is going on Every Channel this morning.

GMBHD itv showed him a chart
with Labour behind in this By Election.

They asked him did he have to visit John Lewis Wall Paper?


Keir has visited Hartlepool 3 times.

[joeysteele]

I said before this was a tricky one.

It nearly was lost in 2015 election.
It's been moving from Labour a while really.

I personally don't understand the more North East electing Con MPs when no more should be required.

However, I think this will be lost and that should never have been the case for Labour.
After holding it in 2019, to now lose it in a by election.
Should ring alarm bells for Labour under Starmer.

I mean really, the Con candidate is terrible, along with the Labour one too however it seems.

[arista]

The Labour Fella
is Remain.


Large amounts there are Leave.
He needs to accept we are out of the EU.


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/05/04/07/42547330-9540339-image-a-16_1620111041688.jpg

[arista]

Another Problem Labour have
is a Former Corbyn Labour lady (running)is taking 6%
of their Vote.

Ref: Tom Newton Dunn Live on Times Radio DAB.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

SkyNewsHD Beth
spoke direct to Kier
while he was walking around,
He was honest saying he has only had a year
and it will take time.


Beth walked over to a Lady
and asked her if she knew who that man was?
The lady said no.

[Oliver_W]

I said before this was a tricky one.

It nearly was lost in 2015 election.
It's been moving from Labour a while really.

I personally don't understand the more North East electing Con MPs when no more should be required.

However, I think this will be lost and that should never have been the case for Labour.
After holding it in 2019, to now lose it in a by election.
Should ring alarm bells for Labour under Starmer.

I mean really, the Con candidate is terrible, along with the Labour one too however it seems.

It came pretty close to being another Red Wall seat lost in 2019. So actually losing it during a Vaccine Boost wouldn't mean anything about Starmer's leadership... apart from maybe suggesting it takes longer than a year to turn the ship around, and especially a year that included a global pandemic. The last thing people will remember about BoJo's handling of Covid may very well be how effectively the vaccine is being dished out...

[bots]

whatever the result, there is plenty room for the tories and labour to spin it. I could list the reasons for winning/losing right now :laugh:

[arista]

Conservatives are winning this seat.


[Labour conceded defeat in Hartlepool by-election with Tories heading for win]


Labour yesterday sent up Peter Mandleson
that did not help.


Official Result soon.

[arista]

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[arista]

Conservatives Jill Mortimer
New MP.
15,529

Labour (He was a bad choice Voted Remain)
8,589



Massive Win.

[bots]

Maybe Keir will quit with his wallpaper photo ops now

[arista]

Maybe Keir will quit with his wallpaper photo ops now


They (Labours Steve Read) are saying
He will carry on improving for another year.

[arista]

Conservative Jill Mortimer MP
is Live On GMBHD itv.

She said locals told her
Labour Failed.

[UserSince2005]

iconic, boris is king

[arista]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

amazing result!

[UserSince2005]

we love you boris, we do, we love you boris, we do,

[bots]

i can see another civil war happening in the labour party now. The far left are saying that Corbyn wasn't so bad and the right are saying they haven't gone far enough right

[Cherie]

surprised at Hartlepool

[arista]

i can see another civil war happening in the labour party now. The far left are saying that Corbyn wasn't so bad and the right are saying they haven't gone far enough right



Yes there is a Battle still
Lingering within the Labour Party.

[arista]

surprised at Hartlepool


But its a big Leave area
that Labour fella was Remain.


He should have stated Leaving the EU
is fine

[arista]

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[arista]

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[bots]

the issue wasn't leave or remain, thats done, it was more they didn't want to be left behind if the tories were investing in areas around them and they could miss out on the cash

[UserSince2005]

A message for labour; keep molesting and sexually abusing people and you will lose votes

[arista]

the issue wasn't leave or remain, thats done, it was more they didn't want to be left behind if the tories were investing in areas around them and they could miss out on the cash



Yes good point


But there are many Voters who paid to be in the Brexit Party
£5 minimum.
So even in the next General Election
the Yorkshire post Reporter said
he expects the same to Jump over to Conservative.

[Toy Soldier]

i can see another civil war happening in the labour party now. The far left are saying that Corbyn wasn't so bad and the right are saying they haven't gone far enough right

The thing is though it's not even about the economic right/left as it always has traditionally been with Lab vs Tory... it's about the perception of "Labour Wokeness" and other hardline ideologies infiltrating the party that "the average voter" just wants no part in. So even people who are more left-leaning economically feel sociologically/philosophically "unsafe" with Labour.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[bots]

The thing is though it's not even about the economic right/left as it always has traditionally been with Lab vs Tory... it's about the perception of "Labour Wokeness" and other hardline ideologies infiltrating the party that "the average voter" just wants no part in. So even people who are more left-leaning economically feel sociologically/philosophically "unsafe" with Labour.

also, Boris stated in parliament that people werent interested in the sleaze nonsense ... and he was right, they don't care. Meanwhile Keir is staging photo ops with wallpaper :laugh:

The labour party are very much westminster driven and there is an obvious gap that has formed between them and joe average that is their main voter pool. The tories are obviously westminster driven too, but Boris is very adept at appearing connected with what those people want, whether he believes it or not

[Nicky91]

amazing result :clap1: :clap1:


All Hail the Tory elite :worship: :worship:

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[arista]

Yes that's the Parody Account

[UserSince2005]

Id rather have a mp who goes corrupt for wallpaper than a rapin mp

[smudgie]

The Labour candidate was dire.
I am really pleased he was trounced, we had the unfortunate luck to have him as our MP until he lost his seat after two years of doing absolutely nothing for the locals.
He jumped ship from being a Police commissioner candidate when he heard about the Hartlepool election.
People in Hartlepool are not stupid, plus they are not far up the road from here so are aware of his history.
Other than that I am quite surprised it went to the Tories.

[joeysteele]

The Labour candidate was dire.
I am really pleased he was trounced, we had the unfortunate luck to have him as our MP until he lost his seat after two years of doing absolutely nothing for the locals.
He jumped ship from being a Police commissioner candidate when he heard about the Hartlepool election.
People in Hartlepool are not stupid, plus they are not far up the road from here so are aware of his history.
Other than that I am quite surprised it went to the Tories.

I agree.
The Labour candidate was a terrible choice.

This seat did nearly fall before.
There's been a move away in recent elections.
Absolutely leaves me devastated to see Labour doing so badly.

However it's politics, sometimes I never understand the thinking of some voters.
Today is one of those times no doubt.

It isn't just Hartlepool either however so really, a lot of other things need analysing and dealing with.

I know one thing, I as a party member will be helping gather support in the party for over the next couple of years.

[jet]

The racist, terrorist hugger Corbyn destroyed the Labour party and it will take a very charismatic and competent leader to ever repair the damage he did. His cheerleaders have only themselves to blame.

[joeysteele]

The racist, terrorist hugger Corbyn destroyed the Labour party and it will take a very charismatic and competent leader to ever repair the damage he did. His cheerleaders have only themselves to blame.

Utter tripe.

Labour went down to a disastrous defeat too in ,2015 under Miliband.
When Corbyn was nothing but a backbencher.

The problem started to begin when Miliband stood side by side with Cameron on Scottish independence issue.

Labour wiped out to only 1 seat in Milibands 2015 election in Scotland.

Things have got worse since although Corbyn rescued a bit and pulled it back in 2017 briefly.

The problems had been setting in years before Corbyn's leadership however.

[jet]

The right leader could have rescued the party, instead Corbyn's leadership sounded the death knell.
A racist, terrorist lover, inept old commie. What a disaster.

[arista]

The right leader could have rescued the party, instead Corbyn's leadership sounded the death knell.
A racist, terrorist lover, inept old commie. What a disaster.



Yes Corbyn Over Promised
failed at the Last General Election Dec 2019
pre-covid.

[Tom4784]

The public continue to bow to Murdoch and their tory overlords. Spineless.

[Livia]

The noisy minority will cover this loss with name-calling and hateful language. The quiet majority will just keep voting for what they think is right.

[bots]

the public realise that the labour party has shifted in it's culture and it just doesn't resonate with them anymore. I tend to agree with Joey, this transformation has happened over a long time period and I think the nightmare that was brexit just hit the nail on the head. When things like this happen it requires fundamental change. Personally, I think labour is now too broad a church, it needs to split up where people can go with their preferred ideology without having to compromise or fight with themselves. Once that happens, an electable party will emerge

[arista]

The public continue to bow to Murdoch and their tory overlords. Spineless.


Only a Couple of newspapers
now.


I mean SkyNewsHD now owned by Comcast USA.

[Tom4784]

The noisy minority will cover this loss with name-calling and hateful language. The quiet majority will just keep voting for what they think is right.

The 'quiet majority' will vote however they're told. This nation lost it's spine, because it doesn't need one to kiss the tories' feet.

[Alf]

The tories basically put us all under house arrest for the past year and the opposition was still humiliated. How embarrassing.

[Tom4784]

Just goes to show how deeply the public's tongue is wedged up Boris' arse really.

[Alf]

Just goes to show how deeply the public's tongue is wedged up Boris' arse really.Maybe they need to get their own house in order first, before they park all the blame at their opponents feet.

The tories are obviously doing things better than Labour are? They're monstering them at the polling station.

[The Slim Reaper]

The right leader could have rescued the party, instead Corbyn's leadership sounded the death knell.
A racist, terrorist lover, inept old commie. What a disaster.

Jet this is absolute nonsense. I remember you telling us that Boris was the man to protect NI and the GFA, and how is that working out? You had no evidence then, and you have no evidence now.

Blaming Corbyn for losing a seat that was held twice under is ladership shows how the pervasive the rw press is.

[arista]

Just goes to show how deeply the public's tongue is wedged up Boris' arse really.


You are Bitter today

[jet]

Jet this is absolute nonsense. I remember you telling us that Boris was the man to protect NI and the GFA, and how is that working out? You had no evidence then, and you have no evidence now.

Blaming Corbyn for losing a seat that was held twice under is ladership shows how the pervasive the rw press is.

Not well. But that doesn't make Corbyn any less of a a racist, terrorist lover, inept old commie.

[Tom4784]

You are Bitter today

This topic isn't about me, drop the personal insults.

[Tom4784]

Are people still defending the tory government's failures by bleating on about a man who is no longer in power and never came close to Downing Street in the first place?

This is why we are a nation of bootlickers. People condone tory incompetence by scaring themselves with silly hypotheticals presented by a media that tells them how to think.

[jet]

This topic isn't about me, drop the personal insults.

Yet you continually insult Conservative voters who post here using the disguise of 'the public' or 'the nation'.

[The Slim Reaper]

Not well. But that doesn't make Corbyn any less of a a racist, terrorist lover, inept old commie.

It shows that you don't know what you're talking about, and repetition of the same 3 lies just continues to prove that. This is Starmers party. He's purged the left, has attacked Johnson from the right, reneged on the pledges he made to win the leadership contest, has refused to hold the most openly corrupt gov in our lifetimes to account, and folks are wondering why labour supporters had nothing to vote for. It's just mind-numbingly stupid.

[Tom4784]

Yet you continually insult Conservative voters who post here using the disguise of 'the public' or 'the nation'.

No, I'm clearly talking about the public. If I wanted to insult people on here, I'd address them directly.

You're free to let your imagination run wild, but don't shove words down my throat to claim like I'm victimising you because you don't like my opinion. It's weak.

[UserSince2005]

Boris Johnson in Hartlepool thanking his subjects is something magical.

[UserSince2005]

Just goes to show how deeply the public's tongue is wedged up Boris' arse really.

and its all kinds of delish

[arista]

This topic isn't about me, drop the personal insults.


OK Dezzy.

[jet]

No, I'm clearly talking about the public. If I wanted to insult people on here, I'd address them directly.

You're free to let your imagination run wild, but don't shove words down my throat to claim like I'm victimising you because you don't like my opinion. It's weak.

Conservative voters here are part of the public, so you are insulting them.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Humza Yousaf is 'accosted' by Liberal Party in Glasgow

Aileen Clarke

At the Emirates Arena, Glasgow

Quite an unpleasant scene, with Humza Yousaf who was the justice minister in the last administration, being accosted by two members of one of the smaller parties, the Liberal Party.

One of them, Derek Jackson, who is candidate in the southside constituency was asking about the hate crime legislation and then that turned to them asking about the treatment of women and children in Pakistan.

At that stage Humza tells me he tried to draw it to a close, it was getting rather heated. He was pleased to say that other members of other parties stood in to make it clear that was not a conversation anybody was willing to continue

The two members of the Liberal Party started to walk away but as they did so, were seen to be giving fascist salutes and military salutes as they headed towards the exit.

I know that the police spoke to Mr Jackson. It's not clear if they were asked to leave the building or they just left.

It comes just hours after Nicola Sturgeon was confronted by far-right independent candidate Jayda Fransen outside a polling station in Glasgow Southside.

[Tom4784]

Conservative voters here are part of the public, so you are insulting them.

Choosing to be offended doesn't make what I say a direct insult at you. You're just choosing to be disingenuous and pretend to be offended in order to try to enact consequences against me because you cannot tolerate that I have an opinion you don't like.

You're not arguing against what I'm saying, you're trying to completely remove it. You really don't like freedom of speech, huh?

[arista]

Conservative voters here are part of the public, so you are insulting them.


On Dezzy it is Great he speaks his mind
He corrected me
I agree I needed correcting.


Thats why TIBB is better than other Forums


Speak your mind
do not attack posters.

[Alf]

On Dezzy it is Great he speaks his mind
He corrected me
I agree I needed correcting.


Thats why TIBB is better than other Forums


Speak your mind
do not attack posters.ncsCBhyHwss

[arista]

Great One Alf


Top Quality Film

[jet]

Choosing to be offended doesn't make what I say a direct insult at you. You're just choosing to be disingenuous and pretend to be offended in order to try to enact consequences against me because you cannot tolerate that I have an opinion you don't like.

You're not arguing against what I'm saying, you're trying to completely remove it. You really don't like freedom of speech, huh?

You aren’t offending me and I’m not pretending anything because I don’t vote Conservative. I’m in N. Ireland and have always voted SDLP.
You say that Conservative voters are spineless and up Boris’s arse. That then applies to Conservative voters who post here, how could it not?
Of course you don’t insult anyone personally because you could get infracted, but you are still indirectly insulting them. It’s ridiculous to deny it.
I believe in freedom of speech for all which is why I can use mine to give my opinion of your freedom of speech, not to silence it. :smug:

[Tom4784]

You aren’t offending me and I’m not pretending anything because I don’t vote Conservative. I’m in N. Ireland and have always voted SDLP.
You say that Conservative voters are spineless and up Boris’s arse. That then applies to Conservative voters who post here, how could it not?
Of course you don’t insult anyone personally because you could get infracted, but you are still indirectly insulting them. It’s ridiculous to deny it.
I believe in freedom of speech for all which is why I can use mine to give my opinion of your freedom of speech, not to silence it. :smug:

You're trying to turn a general statement into an insult aimed at other members, thus, attempting to get it seen as such and likely removed. You can't say it's freedom of speech while at the same time you're making a conscious effort to limit my own.

[arista]

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[jet]

You're trying to turn a general statement into an insult aimed at other members, thus, attempting to get it seen as such and likely removed. You can't say it's freedom of speech while at the same time you're making a conscious effort to limit my own.

You aren't insulting members directly so they wouldn't be removed, but you are making indirect insults. Obviously. Freedom of speech means you are free to do that and I am free to comment on it and point out that you can't argue with the inarguable.

[smudgie]

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Best moment of the elections for me.:laugh:

[Tom4784]

You aren't insulting members directly so they wouldn't be removed, but you are making indirect insults. Obviously. Freedom of speech means you are free to do that and I am free to comment on it and point out that you can't argue with the inarguable.

And I'm free to point out the flaws in what you're saying.

You didn't argue against what I'm saying, you didn't offer up a counterpoint, you just went straight to disingenuous outrage to negate what I was saying.
A very lazy method.

You tried to use what I always say about freedom of speech against me but it completely flops considering that I'm not trying to silence you. You feigned outrage at what I said to score points and I pointed out how that is an effort to undermine what I said by making out that I'm insulting people when I'm talking in broad terms. You can be offended all you want, that is your opinion but you tried to get offended over words you've stuffed down my throat. That isn't freedom of speech because you're not arguing against what I've said, you're arguing against what your interpretation of what I've said.

This is why you should focus on forming solid arguments rather than parroting what is said to you to attempt a gotcha.

[jet]

And I'm free to point out the flaws in what you're saying.

You didn't argue against what I'm saying, you didn't offer up a counterpoint, you just went straight to disingenuous outrage to negate what I was saying.
A very lazy method.

You tried to use what I always say about freedom of speech against me but it completely flops considering that I'm not trying to silence you. You feigned outrage at what I said to score points and I pointed out how that is an effort to undermine what I said by making out that I'm insulting people when I'm talking in broad terms. You can be offended all you want, that is your opinion but you tried to get offended over words you've stuffed down my throat. That isn't freedom of speech because you're not arguing against what I've said, you're arguing against what your interpretation of what I've said.

This is why you should focus on forming solid arguments rather than parroting what is said to you to attempt a gotcha.

It's quite simple - I had an opinion which had you clutching your pearls and I will repeat that you can't argue with the inarguable, so I won't be replying to any more of your waffle and insults.

[arista]

Best moment of the elections for me.:laugh:


Yes Labours Paul Williams
Running away.

[Tom4784]

It's quite simple - I had an opinion which had you clutching your pearls and I will repeat that you can't argue with the inarguable, so I won't be replying to any more of your waffle and insults.

You took offense to my comments on tories, yet you accuse me of pearl clutching for responding to your accusations? My whole argument against you this thread is that you're literally feigning outrage to try to cancel out an opinion you dislike. To accuse me of pearl clutching just goes to show that you're only concerned with parroting what I say without understanding the context at all.

You're gonna have to do better, playground tactics work well in the playground, but you're just gonna make yourself look childish if you keep playing 'I know you are, but what am I?'