Meghan and Harry show continues

[thesheriff443]

Gayle king head of cbs this morning said she rang Meghan at the the weekend to check how the couple was doing lol

Meghan told her that Harry had spoken To his father and brother William in clearly private phone calls

Meghan said these calls were unproductive and that no one from the royal family had spoken to her.

It doesn’t Matter if you like or the dislike the couple there must come a point when telling the world about private family matters becomes a step to far.

[user104658]

What was actually said in these private calls?

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

Let’s just close this thread now tbh


No its on 2 Front pages

[Crimson Dynamo]

to have some 2-bob news presenter in the USA reveal intimate family phone-calls is disgusting

[arista]

to have some 2-bob news presenter in the USA reveal intimate family phone-calls is disgusting


Authorized To Leak it.

[Cherie]

privacy doesn't mean they never want to be seen again.....

Leaking private phone calls ....how classy

and they didn't speak to meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee......waah waah ...

If I phone my sister even after all these years of her being married and getting on very well with him , I don't ask to speak to him :conf:

can anyone tell me what these two want exactly? apart from auditioning for the next version of Jeremy Kyle

[Crimson Dynamo]

Authorized To Leak it.

yes and i cant imagine anyone will try to defend that?

[user104658]

there must come a point when telling the world about private family matters becomes a step to far.

to have some 2-bob news presenter in the USA reveal intimate family phone-calls is disgusting

Authorized To Leak it.


Leaking private phone calls ....how classy


*ahem* I shall try again, as I was ignored;

What was actually said in these private calls?

[arista]

*ahem* I shall try again;

What was actually said in these private calls?



GMBHD itv showed a clip from the USA News show
Harry spoke with his brother
but not a good response.

[Crimson Dynamo]

*ahem* I shall try again, as I was ignored;

What was actually said in these private calls?

the 2-bob anchor said

"they were not-productive"

ie that is what she was told to say by Meghan

ie Harry told Meghan what was said and her vile summary was "not productive"

ie it did not turn out the way she wanted

like it was a business call


:bored:

[joeysteele]

What was actually said in these private calls?

Nothing was revealed, so the conversation has remained private.

After all the bait was laid to the media,when Prince William said he would be talking to Prince Harry, rather than ignore the question.

He revealed he would be talking to him, it's clear there will be a follow on to that to find out if they have spoken.
Which is what's been revealed..
They have spoken but it seems no details of the actual conversation.

I personally find it odd no one has spoken to Meghan Markle HOWEVER.
The Queen issues a statement where she calls the issues concerning and will be dealt with privately as a family.

I don't see how it's possible to deal with anything, if you choose to not talk directly to one of the main people involved.

So it would be hoped the Queen's statement was NOT just a way to brush criticism of the Royal set up under the carpet.

All the people involved need to be round the table on this issue, if the Queen is really serious about it.

If however, any details of wording is revealed by either side of any phone calls, that's very different and wrong unless both involved in the call agree.

A video call or general call with loudspeaker, I'm sure it's easy to talk to both Prince Harry and Meghan at the same time anyway.
It does seem very odd over a week after the revelations and allegations.
That the Royal institution has NOT in that time even contacted Meghan Markle, even just to confirm and assure her, that the mental health issues she's raised will be looked into.

That doesn't sound like the Queen has got going ANYTHING like an even private family investigation into the issues.

The issue of the baby's expected colour is not just a Meghan issue..
It's Prince Harry's that one as it was said directly to him.

If the Queen thinks they're serious concerns yet has done nothing yet in over a week.
That doesn't sound good from the Palace set up then.

[arista]

"Nothing was revealed"

Except we found our Harry has spoken to his brother.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nothing was revealed

incorrect

a 2-bob news anchor told all of America

1 that Harry had a private call with his dad and brother

and that they were

"not productive"

1. no need for anyone to know about the calls

2. no need for a prejudice summary of the call

3. to summarise a call to your father and brother as "non-productive is cold and heartless

4. for a un-related person to relay this info is despicable

[Crimson Dynamo]

Royal biographer Penny Junor said: “It’s a shocking breach of trust.

“The family will worry that anything they say to Harry will end up on American television.”

[Crimson Dynamo]

Royal author Tom Quinn said Ms King’s comments will have upset the Palace and the couple had “once again, shot themselves in the foot”.

[GoldHeart]

Another non story , nothing's been leaked .

[joeysteele]

"Nothing was revealed"

Except we found our Harry has spoken to his brother.

Yes that is all we have learned arista as you rightly point out.
Which is fair of you as I know you have no liking for the couple.

No detail as I stated clearly in my post as to the wording or content.
There was bound to be a follow on of ' was it a good or bad call '?

Non productive merely states that there was no likely progress thus far.
It's no details of the wording of the call.

However the nitpicking begins again.
Which is why I stated clearly in my post , the point of not revealing the actual wording unless both sides agreed.
It doesn't stop me getting jumped on however as usual by taking ONLY three words from my own post.
To twist the issue.

[user104658]

the 2-bob anchor said

"they were not-productive"

ie that is what she was told to say by Meghan

ie Harry told Meghan what was said and her vile summary was "not productive"

ie it did not turn out the way she wanted

like it was a business call


:bored:

So in fact no details of the conversations were leaked at all, thanks for the clarification.

[user104658]

Royal biographer Penny Junor said

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Royal author Tom Quinn said

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[Kazanne]

I do wonder why people try to shut people down because they have a different opinion on things, just something that is very noticeable on here as soon as something is posted about someone they like it's then kind of people are told to be quiet or worse because they don't agree, The statement if true does not go into detail we know but it has now given the public the impression that things are not good between Harry and his family, that is enough for the press to do some damage ,maybe it would be better to go and have their privacy now and top stoking the fire.

[Crimson Dynamo]

So in fact no details of the conversations were leaked at all, thanks for the clarification.

again incorrect


no matter how many times you say this it does not make it true

no one is claiming a transcript was written and leaked as that would be silly

the calls were chillingly summarised as "unproductive"

cold, heartless, designed to cause more damage

revengeful

and once again reveals more about this woman that Harry, sadly, is hooked up with

[Kazanne]

again incorrect


no matter how many times you say this it does not make it true

no one is claiming a transcript was written and leaked as that would be silly

the calls were chillingly summarised as "unproductive"

cold, heartless, designed to cause more damage

revengeful

and once again reveals more about this woman that Harry, sadly, is hooked up with

Exactly, that is how the public will see things now.

[joeysteele]

Exactly, that is how the public will see things now.

Really.

So other than learning the call didn't bring any progress.
What exactly did YOU learn as to the full content.
Anything or nothing.
Or what was actually asked by either to the other too.

I don't think you can speak for the whole public either with respect.

[Kazanne]

Really.

So other than learning the call didn't bring any progress.
What exactly did YOU learn as to the full content.
Anything or nothing.
Or what was actually asked by either to the other too.

I don't think you can speak for the whole public either with respect.

I learnt that it seems their relationships are frosty ,I just don't think we needed to know anything .Why say it (if it's been said) there was no need, it is just fanning the flames of the whole thing .I do know I don't speak for the whole public (no one does) but most people I have spoken too have really changed their minds about these two especially Harry and I don't think this sort of news helps their quest for privacy.

[GoldHeart]

Pretty sure the media will run with drama regardless, so once again there's nothing to see here . Nothing has been revealed , and the private conversation is still private .

[Jordan.]

Meghan keeping her fans and critics alike up to date with the goss, now we can spend this whole week talking about her too :flutter:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Meghan keeping her fans and critics alike up to date with the goss, now we can spend this whole week talking about her too :flutter:

Its not really something to joke about

families being torn apart


:bored:

[Kazanne]

From TV this morning,this is how 'some' people will roll now.


The successful legal action that Meghan took was over the disclosure of private communication between family members.

"Now they have disclosed what I am sure the other family members thought was a private conversation between family members.

"That is troubling for people to see."

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Duchess also appears to have accused Buckingham Palace of continuing
to leak “disparaging” stories about her, despite insisting they would work out
their differences privately.

It was claimed that Meghan, 39, had expressed frustration that despite the
litany of damaging revelations made before a television audience of millions,
no member of the Royal Family had yet contacted her to discuss them.


The disclosures are thought to have gone down badly at Buckingham Palace, where trust
in the couple had already been severely eroded.

A Palace source said pointedly that none of the royal households would be "giving a
running commentary on private conversations.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2021/03/16/harry-meghan-accuse-palace-continuing-leak-stories-reveal-conversations/

[joeysteele]

I learnt that it seems their relationships are frosty ,I just don't think we needed to know anything .Why say it (if it's been said) there was no need, it is just fanning the flames of the whole thing .I do know I don't speak for the whole public (no one does) but most people I have spoken too have really changed their minds about these two especially Harry and I don't think this sort of news helps their quest for privacy.



So on your own admission we learned nothing from the fact they had a phone call that we didn't know before.
Which was my own point in my post.

So how did it change things..
We learned from Prince William last week he would be talking to Prince Harry.
We learn from this, the follow on he did.
We knew their relationship was frosty before,
plus as you yourself now state that things are still frosty.

So again, what's been revealed other than the most basic of an update of sorts.

You see some people I talk to WERE wondering had they talked or had the Palace been in touch.
None think anything wrong in learning they had talked with little to nothing changed.

You did too say, the public will see it your way.
You didn't say some.

I made a post, then had just 3 words quoted from it to get at me.
So sorry if I now retaliate by jumping in when others get away with things like '' THE PUBLIC will see it that way.

So we knew all was frosty before this call, we knew Prince William was going to talk to Prince Harry because Prince William told the media. he would be.

We now learn he has and that things are still frosty.

So what new have we learned , what new has even been revealed which could he used to fairly JUST attack the couple with now.

I say nothing at all from my view.

I myself doubt most of the public will actually think they've learned anything new either.
Or see it wrong to even just learn the 2 Princes have actually talked.

[joeysteele]

Pretty sure the media will run with drama regardless, so once again there's nothing to see here . Nothing has been revealed , and the private conversation is still private .

Absolutely spot on GoldHeart.

Prince William HIMSELF told the media he'd be talking to Prince Harry.
He didn't say it privately, he answered the wider media saying he would.

All that's been said here is they did talk.
With nothing changed it seems.

However it's only the couple's fault we learned they'd talked after Prince William told us they would be.
Talk about double standards.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Absolutely spot on GoldHeart.

Prince William HIMSELF told the media he'd be talking to Prince Harry.
He didn't say it privately, he answered the wider media saying he would.

All that's been said here is they did talk.
With nothing changed it seems.

However it's only the couple's fault we learned they'd talked after Prince William told us they would be.
Talk about double standards.

yes we learned that a call would be made from the Prince

we did not learn and would never learn how the call went

and he would never get Lorraine off the telly to tell us it was unproductive





:umm2:

[GoldHeart]

Exactly
We already knew Harry's relationship with his dad & brother wasn't the best at the moment. But the key factor in all of this is that Harry is STILL in contact with his family.

And nothing new has been revealed, and since the Oprah interview the narrative was already "ohh Harry & Meghan have caused a rift and upset the royal family etc etc " .

[Cherie]

yes we learned that a call would be made from the Prince

we did not learn and would never learn how the call went

and he would never get Lorraine off the telly to tell us it was unproductive





:umm2:

No

[jet]

These are not the actions of a happy, contented couple as they try to portray themselves, but of a bitter, jealous, destructive couple who are feeding off each other’s attention seeking vindictiveness. I think they are more to be pitied now really, as are those who insist everything they are doing/have done is just fine and dandy and somebody or something else is always to blame.

[LukeB]

Exactly
We already knew Harry's relationship with his dad & brother wasn't the best at the moment. But the key factor in all of this is that Harry is STILL in contact with his family.

And nothing new has been revealed, and since the Oprah interview the narrative was already "ohh Harry & Meghan have caused a rift and upset the royal family etc etc " .

It’s something to continue the wah wah wahhh Meghan did this wahhh wahh Meghan did that. Being outraged by the stupidest things. All we got from this is... absolutely nothing

[jet]

It’s something to continue the wah wah wahhh Meghan did this wahhh wahh Meghan did that. Being outraged by the stupidest things. All we got from this is... absolutely nothing

A betrayal of trust isn't nothing.

[Crimson Dynamo]

These are not the actions of a happy, contented couple as they try to portray themselves, but of a bitter, jealous, destructive couple who are feeding off each other’s attention seeking vindictiveness. I think they are more to be pitied now really, as are those who insist everything they are doing/have done is just fine and dandy and somebody else is always to blame.

I have noticed that the defense of the pair is becoming more difficult and is disappearing quicker than snow off a dyke in April..

[LukeB]

A betrayal of trust isn't nothing.

A phone call that people knew that was going to happen but the conversation wasn’t revealed? Continue to be be outraged by nothing

[jet]

A phone call that people knew that was going to happen but the conversation wasn’t revealed? Continue to be be outraged by nothing

Then why say anything at all? "The talks were not productive and Meghan was unhappy no - one phoned her", isn't nothing, its stirring the flames.
How could any of the Royals trust them now that any future call made will not be revealed by them?

They said the interview would be the 'last word' and it was to draw a line under everything to get on with their lives.

[Marsh.]

Gayle reported that Harry had said conversations had began between him, his brother and father but hadn't led to any progress yet. Meghan hasn't spoken to any of the family.

Tibb, as always, full of their own twists and turns to the tale.

[joeysteele]

A phone call that people knew that was going to happen but the conversation wasn’t revealed? Continue to be be outraged by nothing

It's absolutely unbelievable Luke.
Lorraine and the news media and morning programming was full the next day of Prince William TELLING the World media he would be talking to Prince Harry

What's different now?
That we've ONLY learned they have and things stay much unchanged.

Plus why should they be happy with how their revelations are being handled.

Publicity handled or privately as the Queen stated it would be privately..
You still have to at least keep the involved parties informed and updated.

Which doesn't appear to have been put in place by the Monarch, or if she's said it should be, then the Royal institution set up, maybe hasn't enacted it properly or fully.

Again the involved parties need to be updated.

Outraged by nothing is a good line.
As you say to the intent to only blame the couple.
While ignoring the other facts.
Unbelievable.

[rusticgal]

I have noticed that the defense of the pair is becoming more difficult and is disappearing quicker than snow off a dyke in April..


:laugh:

[Cherie]

who knew Harry was so cross about being the spare :laugh:

[jet]

who knew Harry was so cross about being the spare :laugh:

And that Meghan was so jealous of Kate's position.

[Crimson Dynamo]

And that Meghan was so jealous of Kate's position.

I think this is the crux of it all

[jet]

The Duchess also appears to have accused Buckingham Palace of continuing
to leak “disparaging” stories about her, despite insisting they would work out
their differences privately.

It was claimed that Meghan, 39, had expressed frustration that despite the
litany of damaging revelations made before a television audience of millions,
no member of the Royal Family had yet contacted her to discuss them.


The disclosures are thought to have gone down badly at Buckingham Palace, where trust
in the couple had already been severely eroded.

A Palace source said pointedly that none of the royal households would be "giving a
running commentary on private conversations.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2021/03/16/harry-meghan-accuse-palace-continuing-leak-stories-reveal-conversations/

Yes, that's the difference. William was asked and he said he would be talking to Harry. He hasn't revealed what the outcome was, that should be completely private. There can be no trust left. The Royals have dignity, H&M are behaving like trashy reality show losers.

[LukeB]

It's absolutely unbelievable Luke.
Lorraine and the news media and morning programming was full the next day of Prince William TELLING the World media he would be talking to Prince Harry

What's different now?
That we've ONLY learned they have and things stay much unchanged.

Plus why should they be happy with how their revelations are being handled.

Publicity handled or privately as the Queen stated it would be privately..
You still have to at least keep the involved parties informed and updated.

Which doesn't appear to have been put in place by the Monarch, or if she's said it should be, then the Royal institution set up, maybe hasn't enacted it properly or fully.

Again the involved parties need to be updated.

Outraged by nothing is a good line.
As you say to the intent to only blame the couple.
While ignoring the other facts.
Unbelievable.

Exactly. People are acting like she did a Kim Kardashian and leaked a private phone call conversation but she didn’t.

It also says a lot this being more outraged than Piers Morgan bullying Meghan and accusing her of lying about suicidal but people say freedom of speech to defend him but no one really says freedom of speech to what Meghan just said. Freedom is only used towards white people but a different story for poc.

[jet]

I think this is the crux of it all

:thumbs:

[rusticgal]

What some of you are refusing to see is it is a break in trust... We may not have learned the content of the conversation but we have learnt the nature of the conversation. To deliberately leak the tone of that conversation to the press is indicating that it didnt go well. Not being 'productive' is indicating that none of their issues were addressed and didnt go the way they had hoped...the intention was to give the impression to all their sympathisers that the Royals are not empathising with them.
The complete hypocrisy of this pair...particularly Meghan who obviously told her friend and gave her permission make it public knowledge is just astounding.
Its becoming more and more apparent just how devious this woman is...and the defence of her is laughable.

[LukeB]

“Leak the tone of the conversation” unless people have been living under a rock we all knew what tone that phone call was going to be...

[thesheriff443]

Gayle reported that Harry had said conversations had began between him, his brother and father but hadn't led to any progress yet. Meghan hasn't spoken to any of the family.

Tibb, as always, full of their own twists and turns to the tale.

I think you should stop trying to twist the truth Meghan told Gayle the talks were unproductive

[jet]

What some of you are refusing to see is it is a break in trust... We may not have learned the content of the conversation but we have learnt the nature of the conversation. To deliberately leak the tone of that conversation to the press is indicating that it didnt go well. Not being 'productive' is indicating that none of their issues were addressed and didnt go the way they had hoped...the intention was to give the impression to all their sympathisers that the Royals are not empathising with them.
The complete hypocrisy of this pair...particularly Meghan who obviously told her friend and gave her permission make it public knowledge is just astounding.
Its becoming more and more apparent just how devious this woman is...and the defence of her is laughable.

Well said! :clap1:

[joeysteele]

Exactly. People are acting like she did a Kim Kardashian and leaked a private phone call conversation but she didn’t.

It also says a lot this being more outraged than Piers Morgan bullying Meghan and accusing her of lying about suicidal but people say freedom of speech to defend him but no one really says freedom of speech to what Meghan just said. Freedom is only used towards white people but a different story for poc.


Totally.

However the suppositions will go on and on.
Just as was the case when Prince William said he'd be talking to Prince Harry.
The suppositions were then, he was going to be angry with Prince Harry and what would be said.

None of which is revealed.

To describe this call as non productive, means this call changed nothing we already knew anyway,.
That's all.

It doesn't mean ongoing and future calls will end up non productive.

No one would expect a major change in a week anyway..
Clearly it seems the Queen is possibly not living up to the sentiments of her statement to get things moving, where ALL involved may see where things may be going to or are happening.

Non productive does not rule out future success.
Not in the slightest.

However the agendas of only hostility to Prince Harry and Meghan regardless of the failings of those others who can, and should be, doing much more to deal with this, even privately.
REALLY that speaks volumes as to possibly any or lack of any fairness.

[Crimson Dynamo]

What some of you are refusing to see is it is a break in trust... We may not have learned the content of the conversation but we have learnt the nature of the conversation. To deliberately leak the tone of that conversation to the press is indicating that it didnt go well. Not being 'productive' is indicating that none of their issues were addressed and didnt go the way they had hoped...the intention was to give the impression to all their sympathisers that the Royals are not empathising with them.
The complete hypocrisy of this pair...particularly Meghan who obviously told her friend and gave her permission make it public knowledge is just astounding.
Its becoming more and more apparent just how devious this woman is...and the defence of her is laughable.

Precisely put

and of course, this is exactly what is being reflected on TV and in comments by the GBP

[jet]

Totally.

However the suppositions will go on and on.
Just as was the case when Prince William said he'd be talking to Prince Harry.
The suppositions were then, he was going to be angry with Prince Harry and what would be said.

None of which is revealed.

To describe this call as non productive, means this call changed nothing we already knew anyway,.
That's all.

It doesn't mean ongoing and future calls will end up non productive.

No one would expect a major change in a week anyway..
Clearly it seems the Queen is possibly not living up to the sentiments of her statement to get things moving, where ALL involved may see where things may be going to or are happening.

Non productive does not rule out future success.
Not in the slightest.

However the agendas of only hostility to Prince Harry and Meghan regardless of the failings of those others who can, and should be, doing much more to deal with this, even privately.
REALLY that speaks volumes as to possibly any or lack of any fairness.

Its assumed it the Queens fault now for not doing enough....it couldn't be Harry not being satisfied with the outcome of her inquiries or just being difficult as he is well known to be. Nope, it clearly has to a failing of the Queens.

[Cherie]

What some of you are refusing to see is it is a break in trust... We may not have learned the content of the conversation but we have learnt the nature of the conversation. To deliberately leak the tone of that conversation to the press is indicating that it didnt go well. Not being 'productive' is indicating that none of their issues were addressed and didnt go the way they had hoped...the intention was to give the impression to all their sympathisers that the Royals are not empathising with them.
The complete hypocrisy of this pair...particularly Meghan who obviously told her friend and gave her permission make it public knowledge is just astounding.
Its becoming more and more apparent just how devious this woman is...and the defence of her is laughable.

:clap1:

the private pair continuing not to give any one else any privacy, you couldn't make it up :laugh:

[jet]

MIchelle Obama when asked “I wonder when you watched Meghan Markle speak out, what went through your mind”?

Michelle: The thing that I always keep in mind is that none of this is about us in public service, it’s about the people that we serve. I always try to push the light back out and focus it on the folks that we’re actually here to serve.

[Glenn.]

Meghan keeping her fans and critics alike up to date with the goss, now we can spend this whole week talking about her too :flutter:

She stays winning.

It's great to see so many people STILL letting this destructive, manipulative, attention seeker live in their minds rent free. Her impact is too great!

[rusticgal]

:clap1:

the private pair continuing not to give any one else any privacy, you couldn't make it up :laugh:


You really couldnt....:joker:

Meghan is clearly obsessed...I dont know what things she is accusing the Palace of 'leaking'. The only one leaking anything is her....


I think the Palace should sue her for breach of privacy.How does she expect anything to be resolved if she is going to keep breaking their trust.
The truth is...she doesnt want it to be resolved because it keeps her relevant. Everything has gone quiet now...and she doesnt like it :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

MIchelle Obama when asked “I wonder when you watched Meghan Markle speak out, what went through your mind”?

Michelle: The thing that I always keep in mind is that none of this is about us in public service, it’s about the people that we serve. I always try to push the light back out and focus it on the folks that we’re actually here to serve.

ouch

i hope meghan listens as at the moment she has got this advice backwards

[LukeB]

You really couldnt....:joker:

Meghan is clearly obsessed...I dont know what things she is accusing the Palace of 'leaking'. The only one leaking anything is her....


I think the Palace should sue her for breach of privacy.How does she expect anything to be resolved if she is going to keep breaking their trust.
The truth is...she doesnt want it to be resolved because it keeps her relevant. Everything has gone quiet now...and she doesnt like it :laugh:

Meghan is clearly obsessed....talk about pot kettle

[rusticgal]

MIchelle Obama when asked “I wonder when you watched Meghan Markle speak out, what went through your mind”?

Michelle: The thing that I always keep in mind is that none of this is about us in public service, it’s about the people that we serve. I always try to push the light back out and focus it on the folks that we’re actually here to serve.


Meghan doesnt know how to serve anyone but herself...:laugh:

[rusticgal]

Meghan is clearly obsessed....talk about pot kettle


I find it bizarre you dont recognise her obsession considering how obsessed you are with the word...:hee:

[Marsh.]

He hasn't revealed what the outcome was

They have "started a conversation", there is no outcome as of yet.

[Marsh.]

I think you should stop trying to twist the truth Meghan told Gayle the talks were unproductive

I didn't ask for a repeat of your bias and slant.

[LukeB]

I find it bizarre you dont recognise her obsession considering how obsessed you are with the word...:hee:

Who cares :shrug: her critics are way more obsessed than she would ever be. More outraged by a poc than a nonce says a lot

[jet]

Meghan doesnt know how to serve anyone but herself...:laugh:

True. I really think she's a narcissist. :think:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Who cares :shrug: her critics are way more obsessed than she would ever be. More outraged by a poc than a nonce says a lot

It says nothing as it a narrative you have invented

Not one single poster has made excuses for PA but that isnt what this thread is about

YOu cant keep saying "yeah what about PA"

what about him? - he is not in the news, no poster wants to make a thread about him

:shrug:

[Cherie]

You really couldnt....:joker:

Meghan is clearly obsessed...I dont know what things she is accusing the Palace of 'leaking'. The only one leaking anything is her....


I think the Palace should sue her for breach of privacy.How does she expect anything to be resolved if she is going to keep breaking their trust.
The truth is...she doesnt want it to be resolved because it keeps her relevant. Everything has gone quiet now...and she doesnt like it :laugh:



The interview was damp squib in terms of impact, yes it was watched by many but quickly forgotten given there are a few other issues for people to worry about ...like themselves and their own families and how they are coping in the pandemic

[user104658]

again incorrect





no matter how many times you say this it does not make it true



no one is claiming a transcript was written and leaked as that would be silly



the calls were chillingly summarised as "unproductive"



cold, heartless, designed to cause more damage



revengeful



and once again reveals more about this woman that Harry, sadly, is hooked up withThe only options if asked are "it went well" (a lie), "it wasn't productive" (which is what they said) or "no comment" which is just a roundabout way of saying it was unproductive.

"Ahh it wasn't very productive to be honest" is a perfectly reasonable response to being asked how a conversation with family went. Details of the conversation were not shared.

[joeysteele]

The only options if asked are "it went well" (a lie), "it wasn't productive" (which is what they said) or "no comment" which is just a roundabout way of saying it was unproductive.

"Ahh it wasn't very productive to be honest" is a perfectly reasonable response to being asked how a conversation with family went. Details of the conversation were not shared.

Perfectly summarised.
How anyone can even try to, never mind read anything different into it is in my view, unbelievable.

[Cherie]

The only options if asked are "it went well" (a lie), "it wasn't productive" (which is what they said) or "no comment" which is just a roundabout way of saying it was unproductive.

"Ahh it wasn't very productive to be honest" is a perfectly reasonable response to being asked how a conversation with family went. Details of the conversation were not shared.

why did they feel the need to share they didn't ask to speak to Meghan :laugh:

[Marsh.]

The only options if asked are "it went well" (a lie), "it wasn't productive" (which is what they said) or "no comment" which is just a roundabout way of saying it was unproductive.

"Ahh it wasn't very productive to be honest" is a perfectly reasonable response to being asked how a conversation with family went. Details of the conversation were not shared.

Exactly "It wasn't very productive" means things are in the same place, no updates to share.

[jet]

The only options if asked are "it went well" (a lie), "it wasn't productive" (which is what they said) or "no comment" which is just a roundabout way of saying it was unproductive.

"Ahh it wasn't very productive to be honest" is a perfectly reasonable response to being asked how a conversation with family went. Details of the conversation were not shared.

How about: “That’s private between us and the family”.
Instead of:
“It was unproductive and nobody thought to phone Meghan, tell America that on your show Gayle”!

[Marsh.]

How about: “That’s private between us and the family”.

Like William did? Oh wait.

[jet]

Like William did? Oh wait.

What does "Yes, I'll be speaking to him" when asked a question reveal?
The reaching. :laugh:

[Marsh.]

why did they feel the need to share they didn't ask to speak to Meghan :laugh:

Because she stated Harry had spoken to his brother and his father. Meghan hasn't spoken to any of them.

I suppose it prevents the "Meghan was interfering in the conversation" narrative.

[Marsh.]

What does "Yes, I'll be speaking to him" when asked a question reveal?

You literally just said their response should be "That's private".

Hypocrite.


The reaching. :laugh:

Indeed.

[Alf]

Has anybody found what story they're trying to Bury with all this nonsense?

[Kazanne]

Its not really something to joke about

families being torn apart


:bored:

Its just a passive aggresive way of trying to get people to stop talking about it.

[LukeB]

Its just a passive aggresive way of trying to get people to stop talking about it.

Because it's a stupid story and there's more important stuff to talk about or to think about other than being outraged by silly stuff like this.

[jet]

You literally just said their response should be "That's private".

Hypocrite.



Indeed.

Nothing was revealed other than he would call his brother. But you know the difference perfectly well. :smug:

[jet]

Because it's a stupid story and there's more important stuff to talk about or to think about other than being outraged by silly stuff like this.

Outraged. :laugh: Disgusted is the word you are looking for.

[rusticgal]

why did they feel the need to share they didn't ask to speak to Meghan :laugh:



But but but...nobody cares about Meghan...:bawling:

[user104658]

How about: “That’s private between us and the family”.

Instead of:

“It was unproductive and nobody thought to phone Meghan, tell America that on your show Gayle”!Each to their own? :shrug: "Never explain never complain" is a policy of the Royals, Harry doesn't have to comply with that any more. That's sort of the point.

[Marsh.]

Nothing was revealed other than he would call his brother. But you know the difference perfectly well. :smug:

Nothing was revealed other than he'd now spoken to them and nothing has come of it yet.

Pretending you've learned something new is totally false.

[rusticgal]

Exactly "It wasn't very productive" means things are in the same place, no updates to share.


..so they are sending a message then :hehe:

[LukeB]

Outraged. :laugh: Disgusted is the word you are looking for.

No outraged

Disgusted over something silly works too I guess. We're in a middle of a pandemic,a woman got killed by a cop and many important stuff is happening and all people can talk about is a Meghan telling us what we already know without telling us what was said? jesus christ.

[Crimson Dynamo]

No outraged

Disgusted over something silly works too I guess. We're in a middle of a pandemic,a woman got killed by a cop and many important stuff is happening and all people can talk about is a Meghan telling us what we already know without telling us what was said? jesus christ.

again incorrect

we have threads on both that are fully active and with many many posts

[Kazanne]

Because it's a stupid story and there's more important stuff to talk about or to think about other than being outraged by silly stuff like this.

it may well be a stupid story ,it may well be the truth ,but this is a forum where people comment on the news and topics of the day, the only hostility I see on here is those people who who are Megan fans not wanting to hear anything that could be seen as a negative ,and trying to belittle others ,its childish ,I have nothing against any of them but as soon as you mention something slightly negative it's the silly " Megan haters" rolled out constantly, I am not a hater but I do know she is not perfect .

[jet]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9369779/STEPHEN-GLOVER-lobbing-grenades-heal-Royal-family-rift.html

I found this part of this guy's thoughts very unsettling actually, because I think Harry is not in a good place at all, and Meghan is running the show:

STEPHEN GLOVER: How on earth will lobbing yet more grenades help heal the Royal family rift?
By STEPHEN GLOVER

There is, of course, one person who can help restore Meghan’s sense of proportion, tighten her grip on reality, and rebuild bridges with the Royal Family. And that is her husband.
Harry can’t want this increasingly messy and unpleasant estrangement from those he still loves. I don’t believe he can look forward to living as a celebrity, albeit one junior to his wife, in a foreign country, forsaken by his family.


'If Prince William’s glum face yesterday was any guide, he was seriously cheesed off by the Sussexes’ breach of confidentiality. One can understand his feelings.
There were wise words yesterday from former First Lady, Michelle Obama.
She spoke of the importance of public service, and insisted that ‘there’s nothing more important than family’.
Yes, wise words. But will Meghan – and Harry in particular – listen?
I fear this story may have the unstoppable momentum of tragedy.

[LukeB]

it may well be a stupid story ,it may well be the truth ,but this is a forum where people comment on the news and topics of the day, the only hostility I see on here is those people who who are Megan fans not wanting to hear anything that could be seen as a negative ,and trying to belittle others ,its childish ,I have nothing against any of them but as soon as you mention something slightly negative it's the silly " Megan haters" rolled out constantly, I am not a hater but I do know she is not perfect .

No one is perfect but some act like the royal family are but to be completly honest people and media are being completly toxic and nasty towards Meghan. People are labelled Meghan haters because of the OTT stuff and the behaviour of some people. The stuff that Meghan gets isn't normal.... Many celebrities have said and done really awful things but they never get this amount of criticism. It's a stupid story that shouldn't even be a big deal.

[rusticgal]

It's a stupid story that shouldn't even be a big deal.



Its a big deal because Meghan made it public....now it has the publicity she intended it to have and therefore people have an opinion on it...

[LukeB]

Its a big deal because Meghan made it public....now it has the publicity she intended it to have and therefore people have an opinion on it...

And now she's living in peoples mind rent free over a conversation that remains private
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[Tom4784]

So another non-story built upon he said, she said and people outside of the family trying to tell us it's inner workings. I wish people were more discerning with stuff like this, so many of Meghan's haters get rinsed for clicks and ad revenue and they don't even realise it.

[LukeB]

So another non-story built upon he said, she said and people outside of the family trying to tell us it's inner workings. I wish people were more discerning with stuff like this, so many of Meghan's haters get rinsed for clicks and ad revenue and they don't even realise it.

yup.

We already know from William a phone call would be happening and we all knew it would be non productive anyway. As i said it's not like she did a Kim Kardashian who leaked a private phone call (and edited), she never got this backlash tbh.

[Cherie]

yup.

We already know from Willaim a phone call would be happening and we all knew it would be non productive anyway. As i said it's not like she did a Kim Kardashian who leaked a private phone call (and edited), she never got this backlash tbh.

It was on the mainstream news last night, I didn't click anything

[Marsh.]

..so they are sending a message then :hehe:

Didn't ask.

[Amy Jade]

OMG someone made a phone call, absolutely disgraceful it must be Meghans fault!

[jet]

Susanna Reid, who never admits to any wrongdoing on H&M's part said on GMB
“I have defended Meghan and Harry frequently but this feels to me slightly different, this feels to me like they did their big interview, they didn’t get the response they wanted, now they are revealing private conversations through a friend very publicly and that makes me feel very uncomfortable”.

Fair play to her for her honesty.

Another avid M&H defender, Trisha Goddard, agreed with her.

Well,well well.

[Cherie]

Susanna Reid, who never admits to any wrongdoing on H&M's part said on GMB
“I have defended Meghan and Harry frequently but this feels to me slightly different, this feels to me like they did their big interview, they didn’t get the response they wanted, now they are revealing private conversations through a friend very publicly and that makes me feel very uncomfortable”.

Fair play to her for her honesty.

Another avid M&H defender, Trisha Goddard, agreed with her.

Well,well well.

well well well indeed, the scales are falling from some people's eyes

[Beso]

Get them on the Jim Davidson podcast.

[Tom4784]

Or GMB's coverage of Harry and Meghan tracked well with the gammon and they want to keep that going in the wake of Piers' embarassing exit.

Programs like that don't exist to tell you the news, they exist to keep you watching and they cultivate their content accordingly.

[Oliver_W]

Can there be a Harry and Meghan Windsor subforum? Sick of the sight of their names, who even cares about them at this point...

[Beso]

Or GMB's coverage of Harry and Meghan tracked well with the gammon and they want to keep that going in the wake of Piers' embarassing exit.

Programs like that don't exist to tell you the news, they exist to keep you watching and they cultivate their content accordingly.



Most gammon will be out working at that time of day, keeping the economy going.

[user104658]

Or GMB's coverage of Harry and Meghan tracked well with the gammon and they want to keep that going in the wake of Piers' embarassing exit.

Programs like that don't exist to tell you the news, they exist to keep you watching and they cultivate their content accordingly.

I do think people are struggling (perhaps willingly?) to realise that live telly is a dying format and thus, it is much more popular in a certain demographic... so what is popular on TV doesn't necessarily reflect society as a whole at all these days. I honestly don't remember the last time I watched live TV (OK that's a lie, I do, it was the New Year countdown, but before that...) :shrug:. We just got rid of Sky again because we simply don't use it. My kids (11 and 8) have NEVER used over-the-air television in their lives. My 11 year old finds the concept of it baffling and somewhat hilarious; not being able to choose what to watch and when, etc... it's all she's ever known. Her friends are literally all the same, so in a decade or two I think it's just going to be a completely dead format for young adults.

In short; GMB content is tailored to the middle-aged+ lower middle class.

[user104658]

Most gammon will be out working at that time of day, keeping the economy going.

It airs at 6am - 9am, the scheduling is specifically tailored for lower-middle class gammons and gammines to gnash their teeth on while they have their morning coffee before they head off to work to tell their workmates all about what's annoyed them now.

[jet]

well well well indeed, the scales are falling from some people's eyes

Indeed. Several other admirers as well today being asked their opinion on news channels not liking their latest stunt. Say they are embarrassing themselves.

[jet]

It airs at 6am - 9am, the scheduling is specifically tailored for lower-middle class gammons and gammines to gnash their teeth on while they have their morning coffee before they head off to work to tell their workmates all about what's annoyed them now.

What's the weather like up there on your lofty pedestal, TS? :laugh:

[rusticgal]

Susanna Reid, who never admits to any wrongdoing on H&M's part said on GMB
“I have defended Meghan and Harry frequently but this feels to me slightly different, this feels to me like they did their big interview, they didn’t get the response they wanted, now they are revealing private conversations through a friend very publicly and that makes me feel very uncomfortable”.

Fair play to her for her honesty.

Another avid M&H defender, Trisha Goddard, agreed with her.

Well,well well.



Some people are starting to see the light...at last.

[rusticgal]

Indeed. Several other admirers as well today being asked their opinion on news channels not liking their latest stunt. Say they are embarrassing themselves.

Even Phillip on This Morning said its time to shut up and people are getting tired of it....

[Marsh.]

Oh Philip Schofield, Susanna Reid, Trisha Goddard. Really digging deep there.
Any day now you'll have the Queen herself. Riveting stuff.

[user104658]

What's the weather like up there on your lofty pedestal, TS? :laugh:

I don't know, I don't watch weather reports because I don't watch live telly.

https://media.giphy.com/media/f8hhUUo6gVnbhggT3t/giphy.gif

[user104658]

Even Phillip on This Morning said its time to shut up and people are getting tired of it....

I mean he also told his wife he didn't enjoy cock for like 30 years

https://images.hellogiggles.com/uploads/2016/04/25051157/dont-trust-him.gif

[Marsh.]

I mean he also told his wife he didn't enjoy cock for like 30 years

https://images.hellogiggles.com/uploads/2016/04/25051157/dont-trust-him.gif

:skull:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Susanna Reid, who never admits to any wrongdoing on H&M's part said on GMB
“I have defended Meghan and Harry frequently but this feels to me slightly different, this feels to me like they did their big interview, they didn’t get the response they wanted, now they are revealing private conversations through a friend very publicly and that makes me feel very uncomfortable”.

Fair play to her for her honesty.

Another avid M&H defender, Trisha Goddard, agreed with her.

Well,well well.

finally people are coming to the inevitable conclusion about this woman

[Marsh.]

It is funny when all the people who create news articles, entire segments on their shows, give their opinion every time they breathe are saying "we're sick of it". Then stop?

[jet]

I don't know, I don't watch weather reports because I don't watch live telly.

https://media.giphy.com/media/f8hhUUo6gVnbhggT3t/giphy.gif

:laugh:

You don't need weather reports to see all those clouds that are obscuring your judgement of H&M surely? :fan:

[Crimson Dynamo]

EXCLUSIVE: Was Harry and Meghan's interview a plug for his new show? Insiders claim
promoting his upcoming mental health series - mentioned in the two-hour talk - was part
of his deal with Oprah and Apple TV

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9344097/Part-Harry-Meghans-interview-deal-plug-upcoming-Apple-mental-health-doc.html

:whistle:

[Marsh.]

Imagine making a TV series and THEN having the audacity to talk about it! ON TV!!!

The nerve!

[user104658]

:laugh:

You don't need weather reports to see all those clouds that are obscuring your judgement of H&M surely? :fan:

I don't have a personal judgement of Harry and Meghan either way though, my judgement is reserved purely for the garbage press (it's a common TiBB theme for me) and the people who have worrying one-sided fantasies that it's realistic that in a family squabble, one person is likely to be "the monster behind it all!".

I don't "prefer" Harry and Meghan as people to any of the other Royals, I've said that it's clear Harry adores his granny etc. and it's a shame that their relationship is damaged. I think William and kate - as far as the megarich go - seem like genuinely decent people too. The middle tier (Liz's kids) are a mess but :shrug: everyone has known that for decades.

I actually don't think the internal family drama is anything like as "huge" as people seeking drama like to make out.

The problem is the reporting, that's what I judge, along with people who are hoodwinked into a witch-hunt off the back of their own prejudices.

[Crimson Dynamo]

If you spend too much time imagining you may well miss the real stuff!

[GoldHeart]

Who cares :shrug: her critics are way more obsessed than she would ever be. More outraged by a poc than a nonce says a lot

Yep and he doesn't need to worry about sweating or not ,as the heat is off him for as long as possible :bored:. It's more important to chase Meghan and Harry with flames & pitchforks .

[Marsh.]

If you spend too much time imagining you may well miss the real stuff!

If you actually addressed a topic instead of dancing around it, you may well break a record.

[rusticgal]

I mean he also told his wife he didn't enjoy cock for like 30 years

https://images.hellogiggles.com/uploads/2016/04/25051157/dont-trust-him.gif

He is voicing public opinion....big difference of course.

[Crimson Dynamo]

If you actually addressed a topic instead of dancing around it, you may well break a record.

That is not productive

[jet]

I don't have a personal judgement of Harry and Meghan either way though, my judgement is reserved purely for the garbage press (it's a common TiBB theme for me) and the people who have worrying one-sided fantasies that it's realistic that in a family squabble, one person is likely to be "the monster behind it all!".

I don't "prefer" Harry and Meghan as people to any of the other Royals, I've said that it's clear Harry adores his granny etc. and it's a shame that their relationship is damaged. I think William and kate - as far as the megarich go - seem like genuinely decent people too. The middle tier (Liz's kids) are a mess but :shrug: everyone has known that for decades.

I actually don't think the internal family drama is anything like as "huge" as people seeking drama like to make out.

The problem is the reporting, that's what I judge, along with people who are hoodwinked into a witch-hunt off the back of their own prejudices.

You have opinions on everything but not on H&M themselves? You aren't hoodwinking me TS, with all your excuses and 'explanations' for the obvious contradictions and lies in the interview. :think:
And there is nothing wrong with Liz's kids Princess Anne and Prince Edward I'll have you know. :nono:

[Marsh.]

He is voicing public opinion.

Except when he didn't say what you agree with, then he was an "admirer" or sycophant. :joker:

[GoldHeart]

There's nothing we didn't already know, William said he'll be speaking to Harry . Seems more like the media wanted juicy gossip and got crumbs Instead,so they're blowing this up when really it's a nonentity.

[Crimson Dynamo]

There's nothing we didn't already know, William said he'll be speaking to Harry . Seems more like the media wanted juicy gossip and got crumbs Instead,so they're blowing this up when really it's a nonentity.

Which media specifically are you referring to?

[rusticgal]

There's nothing we didn't already know, William said he'll be speaking to Harry . Seems more like the media wanted juicy gossip and got crumbs Instead,so they're blowing this up when really it's a nonentity.


You have missed the point. The comment of the conversations being 'unproductive' was deliberately put out there to let everybody know the tone and what those tones implied.
It was that deliberate 'leak' that has made many more people realise how manipulative Meghan is.

[GoldHeart]

Since when was saying 'unproductive' the worst thing ever?.

If Harry said it was 'a great conversation', he'd still be called a liar or accused of hiding his real feelings.

[jet]

Since when was saying 'unproductive' the worst thing ever?.

If Harry said it was 'a great conversation', he'd still be called a liar or accused of hiding his real feelings.

You are still missing the point.

[GoldHeart]

I'm not missing any point

[Crimson Dynamo]

Since when was saying 'unproductive' the worst thing ever?.

If Harry said it was 'a great conversation', he'd still be called a liar or accused of hiding his real feelings.


If you can find anypost in this thread or indeed any media outlet that said


"saying 'unproductive' the worst thing ever?"

Please post it in reply to this post. I think you will shortly find however that you are the only person who has said it

[joeysteele]

There's nothing we didn't already know, William said he'll be speaking to Harry . Seems more like the media wanted juicy gossip and got crumbs Instead,so they're blowing this up when really it's a nonentity.

This threads off like all the others.
Round and round the usual.

If it had been revealed by Prince William that they'd spoken, in another question from the media.

However Prince Harry and Meghan had never acknowledged that prior.

They'd be getting hammered probably for hiding that Prince William had been in touch.

Saying they had spoken that it was non productive, therefore no real change.
It's easy to understand that.

I agree with you, we've been told not a thing we already didn't know.
Things are as they were before the call.
All we've been told is there's been a call, with no real change, nothing productive from that call.
That's very sad but it's an, 'as things are', update.
That's all.

[Beso]

She needs to grow up.

[user104658]

You have opinions on everything but not on H&M themselves? You aren't hoodwinking me TS, with all your excuses and 'explanations' for the obvious contradictions and lies in the interview. :think:

And there is nothing wrong with Liz's kids Princess Anne and Prince Edward I'll have you know. :nono:I don't think the Oprah interview is great but, as I said at the time, it came across in exactly the same way and with exactly the same format as tonnes of "celeb interviews" I've seen come out of the US going back decades. Is it a great interview format? Not really but it was hardly invented for this interview. Lest we forget Tom Cruise leaping on the couch? It's just the way they do "reality TV" over there - scripting and multiple takes.

On the whole, I believe the jist of what they say: they were unhappy, they were unsupported d by the family (who were just frustrated with thte complaining), they have a terrible toxic relationship with the UK press and have for a long time (cucked gammon Piers Morgan playing no small role in catalysing that) and also Harry's issues with the press (and his father) are his own and predate Meghan Markle... So the obsessive focus on her as a villain is unfair, creepy, and misogynistic (amongst other things).

[Beso]

Piers or pissy pant man, whatever hes called these days..well he loved her to begin with..in the early days he was nothing but full of praise for Moanghan moankle

[Cherie]

Piers or pissy pant man, whatever hes called these days..well he loved her to begin with..in the early days he was nothing but full of praise for Moanghan moankle


:joker:

[rusticgal]

This threads off like all the others.
Round and round the usual.

If it had been revealed by Prince William that they'd spoken, in another question from the media.

However Prince Harry and Meghan had never acknowledged that prior.

They'd be getting hammered probably for hiding that Prince William had been in touch.

Saying they had spoken that it was non productive, therefore no real change.
It's easy to understand that.

I agree with you, we've been told not a thing we already didn't know.
Things are as they were before the call.
All we've been told is there's been a call, with no real change, nothing productive from that call.
That's very sad but it's an, 'as things are', update.
That's all.


So....
William asked by a reporter “Have you spoken to Harry” ..yes I will be speaking to him at the weekend.
Compared to
Meghan volunteering the information to a TV presenter about their conversation being “unproductive“ and giving her permission to disclose it...
Two completely different scenarios...

:joker:

[hijaxers]

Give her a couple of days and she'll have found another headline :laugh:

[Beso]

Give her a couple of days and she'll have found another headline :laugh:

My vagina flaps were torn by the head of a future royal.

[hijaxers]

My vagina flaps were torn by the head of a future royal.

:joker::laugh::laugh:

[user104658]

My vagina flaps were torn by the head of a future royal.Parmisogyny

[Kate!]

Parmisogyny

:joker:

[Beso]

Parmisogyny

A man cant say vagina flaps?

Or a man cant discuss the consequences of child birth?

Is that really what you want to happen by shutting me down?

[Crimson Dynamo]

So....
William asked by a reporter “Have you spoken to Harry” ..yes I will be speaking to him at the weekend.
Compared to
Meghan volunteering the information to a TV presenter about their conversation being “unproductive“ and giving her permission to disclose it...
Two completely different scenarios...

:joker:

I think its pretty obvious Rusti

[GoldHeart]

I still don't see the fuss ,but as I keep getting told I'm "missing the point" apparently .

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Tom4784]

Except when he didn't say what you agree with, then he was an "admirer" or sycophant. :joker:

Confirmation bias in action, tell a person what they want to hear, it's the truth beyond truth, but anything to the contrary they'll ignore and look through endless amounts of **** until they find someone that agrees with them.

[Marsh.]

So....
William asked by a reporter “Have you spoken to Harry” ..yes I will be speaking to him at the weekend.
Compared to
Meghan volunteering the information to a TV presenter about their conversation being “unproductive“ and giving her permission to disclose it...
Two completely different scenarios...

:joker:

Gayle King stated she spoke to them both so your misogynistic singling out of Meghan is laughable and transparent.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Gayle King stated she spoke to them both so your misogynistic singling out of Meghan is laughable and transparent.

Gayle King

😆

[Marsh.]

Gayle King

😆

Sheriff made the thread LT lad. Take it up with him if you have an issue.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sheriff made the thread LT lad. Take it up with him if you have an issue. And I cant comment

:joker:

[Marsh.]

And I cant comment

:joker:

Ok?