Does anyone genuinely think (and worry for) Meghan potentially ending up like Diana.

[Kate!]

I do.

[GoldHeart]

I did worry yes , but the difference here is atleast Meghan has Harry. And hopefully history shouldn't repeat itself.

[bots]

nobody is hounding Meghan so there can be no comparison to Diana

[Kate!]

nobody is hounding Meghan so there can be no comparison to Diana

Nobody is hounding Meghan? You have to be joking.

[Crimson Dynamo]

no

Diana died because of a drunk drugged-up driver who was speeding and she was not wearing a seatbelt

There is zero chance of Meghan being in a car with a drunk drugged-up driver with no seatbelt in 2021


so nope

[Cherie]

No

[Cherie]

Nobody is hounding Meghan? You have to be joking.

When has this happened? And honestly if you are worried about Meghan you need a hobby!

[Kate!]

When has this happened?

The press.

[bots]

Nobody is hounding Meghan? You have to be joking.

i wasn't aware there was a mob of paparazzi following meghan around everywhere she goes

[Cherie]

i wasn't aware there was a mob of paparazzi following meghan around everywhere she goes

Me neither

[Kate!]

They don't need to literally follow her around to hound her.

[hijaxers]

Absolutely not in the slightest ! Though thats what she wants everyone to think

[Smithy]

When has this happened? And honestly if you are worried about Meghan you need a hobby!

@most of tibb

[joeysteele]

Perhaps not now they are making their life in a more free and selective way.

I think trapped in the Royal set up.
The endless negative media attention building.
Then in that scenario as she indicated herself, dark thoughts entered her mind.

So yes I could think a possibility early loss of life could happen, as the press got more volatile towards her in the UK.

I personally think Prince Harry was right to head off with her.
Live their lives their way.
Yes, the media will still hound them but they can be selective as to where they go and who they see and what they do too.

That must feel like loads of chains being removed.
So yes, had they stayed in the UK.
Not now I'd say and thankfully say too.

[Crimson Dynamo]

They don't need to literally follow her around to hound her.

do you mean she gets the same media attention any celeb gets?

[Kate!]

do you mean she gets the same media attention any celeb gets?

No. Far more than that. To obsessive levels. Piss Morgan being a prime example.

[Crimson Dynamo]

No. Far more than that. To obsessive levels. Piss Morgan being a prime example.

Piers had to talk about her its his job (or was)

He is a news anchor - he cant "chose" the news

:joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

And i think you will find that Nicola Sturgeon has had way way more coverage this year than MM

for example

[Kate!]

Piers had to talk about her its his job (or was)

He is a news anchor - he cant "chose" the news

:joker:

he couldn't be professional if he tried. His bias against her was vivid.

[Beso]

For heaven sake no..

She may self harm though if she keeps looking for negative **** about herself online everyday.

[Denver]

Meghan is nowhere near a big deal that Diana was so no

[GoldHeart]

he couldn't be professional if he tried. His bias against her was vivid.

Piers Morgan has been abusing his power under the guise of 'journalism' for a long time. He's nothing but a bully.

This is also the same creep that said Meghan "ghosted him" , so we all know the root of his bitterness. And he's never let it go .The obsession is unhealthy.

His ego was bruised ,he couldn't fathom that a pretty young actress would REJECT him , he's honestly pathetic and I keep wondering how his wife feels in all this diabolical mess he's created :umm2: .

[Kate!]

For heaven sake no..

She may self harm though if she keeps looking for negative **** about herself online everyday.

Maybe.

And its not just about the press. Its about the underlying and not very well hidden disapproval of her by the Royal Family.

[Vanessa]

No she'll be fine. She's not alone. Harry is there

[Kate!]

Piers Morgan has been abusing his power under the guise of 'journalism' for a long time. He's nothing but a bully.

This is also the same creep that said Meghan "ghosted him" , so we all know the root of his bitterness. And he's never let it go .The obsession is unhealthy.

His ego was bruised ,he couldn't fathom that a pretty young actress would REJECT him , he's honestly pathetic and I keep wondering how his wife feels in all this diabolical mess he's created :umm2: .

Great Post

[Beso]

Maybe.

And its not just about the press. Its about the underlying and not very well hidden disapproval of her by the Royal Family.

Christ, are you surprised that they are?

Shes backed them into a corner expecting a response from them.

From the British Royal Family..to her!!!:joker::joker::joker:

There has been bigger and more dangerous people tried than this desperado..

Poor thing ain't got a clue.

[thesheriff443]

@most of tibb

Says the man with over 54,000 posts you’ve spent enough time on here over the years talking about nobody’s.

Don’t throw stones when you live in glass houses

[Crimson Dynamo]

Piers Morgan has been abusing his power under the guise of 'journalism' for a long time. He's nothing but a bully.

This is also the same creep that said Meghan "ghosted him" , so we all know the root of his bitterness. And he's never let it go .The obsession is unhealthy.

His ego was bruised ,he couldn't fathom that a pretty young actress would REJECT him , he's honestly pathetic and I keep wondering how his wife feels in all this diabolical mess he's created :umm2: .

and the reason he has been the most successful and popular host of GMB is?

the reason Life STories is one of the most popular shows on ITV?

The reason he was a popular successful judge on the BGT was?




you cant be all of that and be who you think he is

[Beso]

Piers is a popular man..even his female co hosts havnt jumped upon the rainbow coloured bandwagon of gayness to make him thier focal point of all hatred.

Says a lot about a mans character that.

[Scarlett.]

Piers is a popular man..even his female co hosts havnt jumped upon the rainbow coloured bandwagon of gayness to make him thier focal point of all hatred.

Says a lot about a mans character that.

He was also involved in hacking the phone of a dead girl

[Kate!]

Why the outpouring of love for Piers now he's shown his true colours?

The man's a twat.

[Beso]

He was also involved in hacking the phone of a dead girl

You should look into the reasoning for that.

[Kate!]

You should look into the reasoning for that.

There is no excuse or good reason for that.

[Scarlett.]

You should look into the reasoning for that.

I don't care about his reasoning, it's not only a breach of privacy, it's very morally wrong.

[Beso]

There is no excuse or good reason for that.

I agree..

Piers had nothing to do with that, yet scarlett is posting as though he did..

Its bloody shamefull.

[Beso]

I don't care about his reasoning, it's not only a breach of privacy, it's very morally wrong.

I meant your reasoning for spreading fake news about piers.

[Kate!]

I agree..

Piers had nothing to do with that, yet scarlett is posting as though he did..

Its bloody shamefull.

I'm with Scarlett.

[thesheriff443]

Kate was you the woman that set up a go fund me to pay for meghans mansion?

[Kate!]

Anyway the threads got sidetracked by a discussion on Piers bloody Morgan.

Back to the topic.

[Kate!]

Kate was you the woman that set up a go fund me to pay for meghans mansion?

Don't be silly

[Kazanne]

In a word NO.Too busy worrying about those I know and nearest and dearest.

[user104658]

and the reason he has been the most successful and popular host of GMB is?



the reason Life STories is one of the most popular shows on ITV?



The reason he was a popular successful judge on the BGT was?









you cant be all of that and be who you think he is"If something has a degree of popularity, that thing must be objectively good or admirable"

This statement has zero logical basis to be accepted as unchallenged fact, so there's no need to answer any of your questions beyond that.

He can be a popular piece of ****.

[Crimson Dynamo]

"If something has a degree of popularity, that thing must be objectively good or admirable"

This statement has zero logical basis to be accepted as unchallenged fact, so there's no need to answer any of your questions beyond that.

He can be a popular piece of ****.

1372167153562968071

read it and weep

:hee:

[GoldHeart]

"If something has a degree of popularity, that thing must be objectively good or admirable"

This statement has zero logical basis to be accepted as unchallenged fact, so there's no need to answer any of your questions beyond that.

He can be a popular piece of ****.


Pretty much
Being the most loud , controversial obnoxious personality will always get attention. People literally make a living on platforms like Twitter & YouTube by trolling the living daylights out of others.

[Kate!]

There is no fcuking effort Kate dear got what are you talking about! Seriously you are worried about millionaires that would not p1ss on you if you was burning

mind your blood pressure. You'll explode.

I worry about fellow human beings regardless of their financial stature. Money and fame can't buy happiness.

[Jordan.]

And honestly if you are worried about Meghan you need a hobby!

:joker::joker:

[Jordan.]

Not Kate being attacked for not being heartless

[joeysteele]

I'm with Scarlett.

So am I.

I can also agree with the comments she has Prince Harry at her side, unlike Diana who at times had no one.

However, away from the straitjacketed Royal set up, with Prince Harry at her side, I still think she's in a better place now.

In the Royal set up, it seems like you're often alone and feeling alone in like a freezer, with no feeling within the place..
Prince Harry could have been sent on maybe at times long DUTIES, on his own.
So that could have been a timebomb ticking as to her safety in that scenario.

[Amy Jade]

Piers had to talk about her its his job (or was)

He is a news anchor - he cant "chose" the news

:joker:

Do you think it was 'just his job' also in regards to the phone hacking scandal?

[Beso]

All meghan is trying to do is hide the fact she quit the job cause she couldnt suffer to shake all those hands..something diane would never have contemplated.

[Kate!]

All meghan is trying to do is hide the fact she quit the job cause she couldnt suffer to shake all those hands..something diane would never have contemplated.

Wut? How do you know this.

[Beso]

I'm with Scarlett.

So you agree with spreading negative fake news about someone...

Sounds like a ****ty thing to do imo...but each to their own..

[GoldHeart]

Both Meghan and Harry felt pressured & trapped and it was affecting their mental health, there's more to the royal institution / duties than greeting People.
Non of us knows what happens within the palace walls,but it's not a fairytale clearly. And I don't envy that lifestyle.

[Kate!]

Scàrletts not spreading fake news. :pipe:

[user104658]

1372167153562968071



read it and weep



:hee:This has literally no bearing on what I said, I don't have a particularly high opinion of the average unironic GMB viewer :joker:

[rusticgal]

No....but I fear for Harry’s mental health...especially if he doesn’t re connect with his family.



Meghan would like to see herself as a parallel to Diana...but she isn’t.

[Kate!]

No....but I fear for Harry’s mental health...especially if he doesn’t re connect with his family.

Thats a good relevant post. Its a shame they have to be estranged.

[AnnieK]

Yes she is...shes talking ****e..slanderous ****e..and it's getting reported to the authorities.

He was found to be complicit in the hacking Parm, by a judge during the Levinson enquiry. He knew the hacking was happening at his paper and had a moral, if not legal responsibility to report it. He knew 12'months before that the hacking was happening. His behaviour was reprehensible as the person who could have stopped it happening.

[GoldHeart]

He was found to be complicit in the hacking Parm, by a judge during the Levinson enquiry. He knew the hacking was happening at his paper and had a moral, if not legal responsibility to report it. He knew 12'months before that the hacking was happening. His behaviour was reprehensible as the person who could have stopped it happening.

Good post

[Jordan.]

No....but I fear for Harry’s mental health...especially if he doesn’t re connect with his family.

The family that will only love him for who they want him to be? how will he cope.

[Beso]

He was found to be complicit in the hacking Parm, by a judge during the Levinson enquiry. He knew the hacking was happening at his paper and had a moral, if not legal responsibility to report it. He knew 12'months before that the hacking was happening. His behaviour was reprehensible as the person who could have stopped it happening.

But not the hacking of a dead girls phone.:nono:

That was the news of the world and one of its reporters..piers was at the mirror at the time.

[Glenn.]

No....but I fear for Harry’s mental health...especially if he doesn’t re connect with his family.



Meghan would like to see herself as a parallel to Diana...but she isn’t.

But you call into question Meghans mental health?

[user104658]

so is it only kate so far?Agreeing with the premise of the thread? They're not the same person so it's impossible to know, and also as you keep pointing out, there was an element of simple bad luck & recklessness involved in Diana's death BUT let's not start pretending that her life with the Royals and whst went down with Charlie didn't play into her ending up in a car hooning round Paris with no seat belt on. It wasn't "total" chance. She was in risky situations because that's where her life took her.

Is it possible that Meghan would have ended up in worrying situations due to her unhappy life feeling trapped by the Royals? Yes. Obviously no one can say how it would have turned out for certain. I personally don't think that's much justification for insisting that either Meghan, or Harry, should be willing to "just see how it goes".

[Kate!]

that wasnt the question you asked??

my question was Does anyone genuinely think Meghan is at risk? I interpret Glenn and Scarletts responses as supportive. They can correct me if they wish. Xx

[Kazanne]

No. Scarlett and Glenn support Meghan too.

Why would she need our support ? are people,for real ?they are talking as though she is their best buddy and down and out ,lol Tibb is hilarious at times :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why would she need our support ? are people,for real ?they are talking as though she is their best buddy and down and out ,lol Tibb is hilarious at times :laugh:

Its funny how Kate never gets this devoted support?


:think:

[hijaxers]

Why would she need our support ? are people,for real ?they are talking as though she is their best buddy and down and out ,lol Tibb is hilarious at times :laugh:

Yes Kaz its laughable !

[Kate!]

Why would she need our support ? are people,for real ?they are talking as though she is their best buddy and down and out ,lol Tibb is hilarious at times :laugh:

No I'm talking like she's a vulnerable young woman same as Diana was hence the comparison.

[Crimson Dynamo]

No I'm talking like she's a vulnerable young woman same as Diana was hence the comparison.

she's a vulnerable young woman

she is 40 :joker:

[Kate!]

she's a vulnerable young woman

she is 40 :joker:

Thats not old :nono: but OK then. She is a vulnerable woman.

[GoldHeart]

Meghan is NOT old

[hijaxers]

Thats not old :nono: but OK then. She is a vulnerable woman.

No she's not . she's in command and trying to be puppet master general :laugh:

[Kazanne]

No I'm talking like she's a vulnerable young woman same as Diana was hence the comparison.

She isn't vulnerable imo, she has more help at her feet than any of us, she's a big girl I'm sure she knows what she is doing , I think there are far more vulnerable girls and women we should worry about, She has her husband by her side plus all her fans.she will be fine.

[Jordan.]

No I'm talking like she's a vulnerable young woman same as Diana was hence the comparison.

very true kate

[LukeB]

She isn't vulnerable imo, she has more help at her feet than any of us, she's a big girl I'm sure she knows what she is doing , I think there are far more vulnerable girls and women we should worry about, She has her husband by her side plus all her fans.she will be fine.

Who are you to tell us who isn't vulnerable? anyone who had suicidal thoughts is vulnerable....those thoughts can easily come back to her.

[Kate!]

Who are you to tell us who isn't vulnerable? anyone who had suicidal thoughts is vulnerable....those thoughts can easily come back to her.

Exactly Luke. Should anything happen to her watch the haters scurry off into the woodwork.

[Kazanne]

Who are you to tell us who isn't vulnerable? anyone who had suicidal thoughts is vulnerable....those thoughts can easily come back to her.

I said, IMO, stop getting hostile because some aren't falling at her feet,I think most people have had suicidal thoughts at some point in their lives , IMO she is no more vulnerable than other women.

[Kate!]

I said, IMO, stop getting hostile because some aren't falling at her feet,I think most people have had suicidal thoughts at some point in their lives , IMO she is no more vulnerable than other women.

Well imo she is

[Cherie]

Well imo she is

I believe they said they didn't read newspapers, so from where are they being hounded?

Diana was papped coming out of the gym and followed everywhere, is that happening to Meghan if it is I am not seeing it?

[GoldHeart]

I said, IMO, stop getting hostile because some aren't falling at her feet,I think most people have had suicidal thoughts at some point in their lives , IMO she is no more vulnerable than other women.

It's not a competition though, there's different types of depression and mental health issues.

It seems because it's Meghan Markle ,her vulnerability gets down played.

[LukeB]

Exactly Luke. Should anything happen to her watch the haters scurry off into the woodwork.

:clap1:

I said, IMO, stop getting hostile because some aren't falling at her feet,I think most people have had suicidal thoughts at some point in their lives , IMO she is no more vulnerable than other women.

I'm not getting hostile :shrug: but i don't think anyone can say who isn't vulnurable because they don't even know what's going on behind closed doors. I didn't say she was but she's still vulnerable.

[Cherie]

It's not a competition though, there's different types of depression and mental health issues.

It seems because it's Meghan Markle ,her vulnerability gets down played.

in my opinion if you are vulnerable you don't continually seek the spotlight in the way these two are

[Kazanne]

Well imo she is

Thats fine we don't all agree

[LukeB]

It's not a competition though, there's different types of depression and mental health issues.

It seems because it's Meghan Markle ,her vulnerability gets down played.

yup people are quite ignorant when it comes to mental health.

[Kate!]

in my opinion if you are vulnerable you don't continually seek the spotlight in the way these two are

Wrong. You do because you crave validation and love

[Cherie]

Wrong. You do because you crave validation and love

if you crave validation and love, you put yourself out there in a positive way, not whining about what happened to you in the past

[Kate!]

if you crave validation and love, you put yourself out there in a positive way, not whining about what happened to you in the past

Meghan and Harry aren't whining. They are just giving their truth.

[Kazanne]

yup people are quite ignorant when it comes to mental health.

So because someone doesn't fall into line with what you think,they are ignorant ?

[Kazanne]

Meghan and Harry aren't whining. They are just giving their truth.

As they see it and thats fair enough, but a few things have not been verified have they and some people maybe want to hear both sides of a story to make a fair decision and thats fair enough too.

[LukeB]

Wrong. You do because you crave validation and love

The whole if they are vulnurable they don't do this and that is bull****?. Caroline Flack was vulnurable throughout her career and we know how that ended. I doubt her stepping away from the spotlight would have saved her either.

[LukeB]

So because someone doesn't fall into line with what you think,they are ignorant ?

Did i say that? downplaying mental health is ignorant af.

[Kate!]

The whole if they are vulnurable they don't do this and that is bull****?. Caroline Flack was vulnurable throughout her career and we know how that ended. I doubt her stepping away from the spotlight would have saved her either.

So true.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The whole if they are vulnurable they don't do this and that is bull****?. Caroline Flack was vulnurable throughout her career and we know how that ended. I doubt her stepping away from the spotlight would have saved her either.

She tried to kill her boyfriend, are you suggesting that her fame made her do that?

When do do you assign personal responsibility?

[GoldHeart]

The whole if they are vulnurable they don't do this and that is bull****?. Caroline Flack was vulnurable throughout her career and we know how that ended. I doubt her stepping away from the spotlight would have saved her either.

Exactly
And another example is Robin Williams, many people didn't know he was suffering until his death .

[joeysteele]

Meghan and Harry aren't whining. They are just giving their truth.

I agree they are, from inner hurt and disappointment.

It's the attitude of they should be alright, they've each other and means.
They can't be worryingly with mental health issues and/ or suicidal.

Worse still when they reveal that one of them were, to dismiss it.
Is why there are suicides and worsening health issues.
Which people fearing the reaction shown to those even like Meghan Markle.
Then say nothing fearing ridicule, or it being dismissed as lies or weakness.

It is ignorance, that can be very dangerous to the sufferer.

[Kazanne]

I'm not:shrug:

Look,I have a nephew who tried to commit suicide,thankfully he didn't succeed so dont tell me in a round about way that I dont understand and am ignorant about mental health, Megan has a wealth of help around her hell they are patrons of mental health charities,so no imo she is not vulnerable,and I am not worried about her at all ,why would I be ?

[LukeB]

Look,I have a nephew who tried to commit suicide,thankfully he didn't succeed so dont tell me in a round about way that I dont understand and am ignorant about mental health, Megan has a wealth of help around her hell they are patrons of mental health charities,so no imo she is not vulnerable,and I am not worried about her at all ,why would I be ?

Sorry to hear that.

Just because someones wealthy and has a bit of help doesn't mean a thing. People can still be vulnerable, mental health and suicidal thoughts doesn't go away because someone has money or help. It's just not that simple

[jet]

Do I worry about Meghan? No I do not.
Who I have concern for is the Queen and Philip, who after 70 years of devoted service to the country are having their last years of life disrupted mercilessly by a manipulating, selfish, vindictive little narcissist and her brainwashed puppet.

[joeysteele]

Most of us have or know someone

Usually when we have that situation and yes, I can agree most have known or know of people and/or loved ones who have mental health issues or and have been suicidial.

Usually too however, what that brings, is understanding and empathy with others who say they are too.
Since the real experience gained from knowing anyone who has mental health issues and who are or were possibly suicidal, that experience teaches usually not to ridicule or dismiss it in others.
Plus that it can happen to ANYONE, rich and poor, strong and weak alike.

[Kazanne]

Sorry to hear that.

Just because someones wealthy and has a bit of help doesn't mean a thing. People can still be vulnerable, mental health and suicidal thoughts doesn't go away because someone has money or help.

I know that but to be frank, I have more important people the worry about so no I don't lose sleep over someone I dont know ,I worry about people I know and love, yes you can feel sorry for people in that position but seriously worry about them ? No

[LukeB]

I know that but to be frank, I have more important people the worry about so no I don't lose sleep over someone I dont know ,I worry about people I know and love, yes you can feel sorry for people in that position but seriously worry about them ? No

I'm not saying you should be worried about them :shrug:

[Kate!]

I know that but to be frank, I have more important people the worry about so no I don't lose sleep over someone I dont know ,I worry about people I know and love, yes you can feel sorry for people in that position but seriously worry about them ? No

I don't lose sleep over Meghan. I'm not obsessed. But I do have a lot of empathy for the woman.

[Kazanne]

Usually when we have that situation and yes, I can agree most have known or know of people and/or loved ones who have mental health issues or and have been suicidial.

Usually too however, what that brings, is understanding and empathy with others who say they are too.
Since the real experience gained from knowing anyone who has mental health issues and who are or were possibly suicidal, that experience teaches usually not to ridicule or dismiss it in others.
Plus that it can happen to ANYONE, rich and poor, strong and weak alike.

I haven't ridiculed anyone and as I said to Luke yes you can feel sorry for a stranger in that situation,but not worry,surely you have more important people to worry about,.

[Kazanne]

I'm not saying you should be worried about them :shrug:

That was partly the topic of the thread :shrug:(do you think and worry for)

[joeysteele]

I haven't ridiculed anyone and as I said to Luke yes you can feel sorry for a stranger in that situation,but not worry,surely you have more important people to worry about,.

Doesn't stop me having empathy for others who say they have issues.

If I only cared for myself and mine, what good is that.
We're all human beings after all.

[rusticgal]

But you call into question Meghans mental health?


No I don’t....Meghan is fully in control and knows exactly what she’s doing.

[Kazanne]

Doesn't stop me having empathy for others who say they have issues.

If I only cared for myself and mine, what good is that.
We're all human beings after all.

I didnt say I didn't have empathy,I said I didnt worry over her, we are all human,but saying that some humans are vile.

[jet]

No I don’t....Meghan is fully in control and knows exactly what she’s doing.

Agree 100%. She's over confident if anything and isn't vulnerable at all - but she's playing on the emotions of the vulnerable.

[Kate!]

I'll amend the thread title if people are going to be like dogs with a bone over it. Will remove the worry about wording.

[Kazanne]

I'll amend the thread title if people are going to be like dogs with a bone over it. Will remove the worry about wording.

Why do that as the thread won't make sense,you asked the question we answered no need to alter the title to suit.theres no worry about the wording its a simple question

[rusticgal]

I believe they said they didn't read newspapers, so from where are they being hounded?

Diana was papped coming out of the gym and followed everywhere, is that happening to Meghan if it is I am not seeing it?



You are not seeing it because it’s not happening....Diana was hounded, the press were literally in her face and she was only 19. Meghan is 39 and used to the press and limelight.

It’s a ridiculous comparison.

[Kate!]

No I don’t....Meghan is fully in control and knows exactly what she’s doing.

How do you know?

None of us truly know what is going on in her mind but I believe her interview was true honest and heartfelt.

It reminds me so much of Diana. Thats why I'm making the comparison.

[Kazanne]

How do you know?

None of us truly know what is going on in her mind but I believe her interview was true honest and heartfelt.

It reminds me so much of Diana. Thats why I'm making the comparison.

And how do you know she is telling the truth. You don't as you say none of us know what's going on in her mind it might be the truth and it may not.its nothing like Diana imo.

[jet]

How do you know?

None of us truly know what is going on in her mind but I believe her interview was true honest and heartfelt.

It reminds me so much of Diana. Thats why I'm making the comparison.

Meghan is NOTHING like Diana....and her (Meghan's) interview was full of lies,
contradictions and spite.

[Kate!]

I believe Meghan.

[Crimson Dynamo]

So if you don't agree with the thread you don't understand mental health issues?

Eh?

[LukeB]

And some people are ignorant to the fact people can lie even ones you adore

Not as ignorant as some are being right now.

[Kazanne]

I believe Meghan.

I would never have guessed

[Kazanne]

Not as ignorant as some are being right now.

Its not ignorant to look at BOTH sides of things

[Tom4784]

I think it was possible back when she was in the royal atmosphere, but hopefully now that she and Harry are living on their own terms, things will be better.

The hatred for this woman is so demented and detached from reality that she would probably be accused of being manipulative in death if it ever happened. 'Oh! She only committed suicide to make the queen look bad! Who does she think she is? She'll NEVER be Diana!' etc etc.

That, or you'd get the vomit inducing #bekind bull**** from the people who delighted in her suffering but now want clout from her theoretical death.

[joeysteele]

I didnt say I didn't have empathy,I said I didnt worry over her, we are all human,but saying that some humans are vile.

That's fine.
Doesn't make all humans vile however.

My point was, experience of seeing those close to us who have suffered or suffer mental health.
Thereby gaining the knowledge of their inner pain once they reveal it.
Even moreso if we have come across a loved one suicidal.

Then for me anyway, the automatic response to anyone saying they have mental health issues past or still.
Have had suicidal thoughts.
Been in that real dark hole fearing speaking out.

Because that's usually the only way we learn of loved ones in pain of these issues.
When they eventually feel they can reveal it.

Then, I couldn't be cold or condemn or dismiss anyone who stated they were in or had been to that dark place.
Recalling the pain any of our loved ones felt at the time they were.

We should be thankful we didn't think of just dismissing it and not reaching out and being supportive.

Because it is sadly more the norm that is the case for many suffering mentally and thinking suicidal thoughts.
That it's still seen as weakness, or dismissed or ridiculed

Would we want that for our loved ones WE knew had suffered it
Would we really want others to go through it.
Have it dismissed as lying or weakness and unnecessary just because they have some status.
Not me, I couldn't be like that.

[Cherie]

I know that but to be frank, I have more important people the worry about so no I don't lose sleep over someone I dont know ,I worry about people I know and love, yes you can feel sorry for people in that position but seriously worry about them ? No

:clap1: Meghan isn't losing any sleep over her own family never mind the rest of us

[Cherie]

I'll amend the thread title if people are going to be like dogs with a bone over it. Will remove the worry about wording.

its a big part of the thread....?

[LukeB]

I think it was back when she was in the royal atmosphere, but hopefully now that she and Harry are living on their own terms, things will be better.

The hatred for this woman is so demented and detached from reality that she would probably be accused of being manipulative in death if it ever happened. 'Oh! She only committed suicide to make the queen look bad! Who does she think she is? She'll NEVER be Diana!' etc etc.

That, or you'd get the vomit inducing #bekind bull**** from the people who delighted in her suffering but now want clout from her theoretical death.

:clap1:

[Kazanne]

I think it was back when she was in the royal atmosphere, but hopefully now that she and Harry are living on their own terms, things will be better.

The hatred for this woman is so demented and detached from reality that she would probably be accused of being manipulative in death if it ever happened. 'Oh! She only committed suicide to make the queen look bad! Who does she think she is? She'll NEVER be Diana!' etc etc.

That, or you'd get the vomit inducing #bekind bull**** from the people who delighted in her suffering but now want clout from her theoretical death.

Oh here we go,no one hates her, just some people do not believe her,its simple really .

[joeysteele]

I believe Meghan.

So do I.

It's sad there's doubt cast on it by any who have seen it in their loved ones.
It's hard to believe that's even possible once seeing it in our own loved ones, family, friends or neighbours.
It's why I can feel empathy and care that Meghan Markle has got or is getting through it.

You're on a hiding to nothing likely Kate however but I admire your empathy towards Meghan Markle.
My guess is you'd feel the same for anyone saying they were suffering it too.

[AnnieK]

Do I worry about Meghan? No I do not.
Who I have concern for is the Queen and Philip, who after 70 years of devoted service to the country are having their last years of life disrupted mercilessly by a manipulating, selfish, vindictive little narcissist and her brainwashed puppet.

I think the Queen and Philip will be fairly shielded from a lot of what is going on, I can't see them glued to the TV or tabloids, they have people to filter much of the rubbish and will be briefed in case any reporters question them as they did William although, I hope the journos would not question The Queen. They have faced worse in their reign....they are being supported by much of the the public in this country, they are not facing the public backlash faced after Diana's death and their handling of that. I would imagine they are more embarrassed and concerned about the possible damage to the monarchy that Andrew's association with Epstein and co. could have rather than worry themselves too much about ex Royals.

[LukeB]

So do I.

It's sad there's doubt cast on it by any who have seen it in their loved ones.
It's hard to believe that's even possible once seeing it in our own loved ones, family, friends or neighbours.
It's why I can feel empathy and care that Meghan Markle has got or is getting through it.

You're on a hiding to nothing likely Kate however but I admire your empathy towards Meghan Markle.
My guess is you'd feel the same for anyone saying they were suffering it too.

Me too

Mental health shouldn't be dismissed or downplayed because you don't like the person and it shouldn't even be questioned. It's a very serious thing and it's quite dangerous to downplay it. People don't speak up because of others being ignorant about it.

[Tom4784]

Oh here we go,no one hates her, just some people do not believe her,its simple really .

It's utter insanity to attempt gaslight everyone with eyes into thinking that there's no hatred for this woman, and it's self serving to attempt to do so.

There is hatred for Meghan, people are just desperately closing their eyes to it because they've contributed to it. Facts are facts, and your outrage doesn't invalidate the facts.

[Kate!]

So do I.

It's sad there's doubt cast on it by any who have seen it in their loved ones.
It's hard to believe that's even possible once seeing it in our own loved ones, family, friends or neighbours.
It's why I can feel empathy and care that Meghan Markle has got or is getting through it.

You're on a hiding to nothing likely Kate however but I admire your empathy towards Meghan Markle.
My guess is you'd feel the same for anyone saying they were suffering it too.

Yes I'm getting a bit of a pasting Joey :laugh: but you can't please all of the people......

[joeysteele]

And how do you know she is telling the truth. You don't as you say none of us know what's going on in her mind it might be the truth and it may not.its nothing like Diana imo.

So you are indicating you don't believe her then, despite what you said to me.
.I give up.

That's exactly the attitude that stops people revealing they do have issues.
For the fear it will not be believed.
Hey, I'm done.

[Kazanne]

So do I.

It's sad there's doubt cast on it by any who have seen it in their loved ones.
It's hard to believe that's even possible once seeing it in our own loved ones, family, friends or neighbours.
It's why I can feel empathy and care that Meghan Markle has got or is getting through it.

You're on a hiding to nothing likely Kate however but I admire your empathy towards Meghan Markle.
My guess is you'd feel the same for anyone saying they were suffering it too.

We see it in our loved ones because they are close to us we love them we have that contact and know them,we touch and feel for them we talk to them, once again I will say, I have empathy and feel sorry for others but a loved one will always be a priority for me anyway.

[Tom4784]

It's utterly grotesque to doubt someone if they tell you they suffer with mental health issues and/or suicidal thoughts, doubly so when people only think she's lying because they can't separate their hatred from reality.

Meghan Markle is not Voldemort, Kim Tate, Nurse Ratched, Cruella Deville etc. She's not an avatar for hatred, she's a person and she knows her own struggles better than anyone here does.

If someone tells you they are struggling, that they've had dark thoughts, you don't dismiss them. That's just a lack of basic decency.

[Kate!]

We see it in our loved ones because they are close to us we love them we have that contact and know them,we touch and feel for them we talk to them, once again I will say, I have empathy and feel sorry for others but a loved one will always be a priority for me anyway.

Loved ones will also always be a priority for me too. Thats indisputable. But you have no empathy at all towards Meghan who has publicly reached out and admitted shes got problems?

[Kazanne]

So you are indicating you don't believe her then, despite what you said to me.
.I give up.

That's exactly the attitude that stops people revealing they do have issues.
For the fear it will not be believed.
Hey, I'm done.

I have not said I dont believe her , I said we don't know if she's telling the truth she may or not be,I have never said I dont like her just pointing out not everything is so black and white.

[joeysteele]

We see it in our loved ones because they are close to us we love them we have that contact and know them,we touch and feel for them we talk to them, once again I will say, I have empathy and feel sorry for others but a loved one will always be a priority for me anyway.

Nah, sorry.
If I saw someone suffering, as I have with mental health, I had a friend who was ridiculed everytime he went out from rotten cold people.

There is no way, knowing their pain they had and anguish.
Where I could dismiss others just because I don't know them.

No one's asking anyone to DO anything for Meghan Markle or anyone they don't know.
Just to have the decency from experience of our own loved ones to accept their word.
Not dismiss or call them liars.

Would you have liked your loved ones issues being dismissed by others calling them liars.
What would you think of those that did that to your loved ones too.

[Kate!]

Oh here we go,no one hates her, just some people do not believe her,its simple really .

this does really sound like you don't believe her tbh.

[Kazanne]

Loved ones will also always be a priority for me too. Thats indisputable. But you have no empathy at all towards Meghan who has publicly reached out and admitted shes got problems?

Don't tell me who I dont have empathy for I have already said I feel sorry for people,in that situation,what do you want us to do? I am not here to curry favour you asked a question I answered it I won't bother again.

[hijaxers]

Oh here we go,no one hates her, just some people do not believe her,its simple really .

:clap1::clap1: Exactly right its not about hating her its about her truth not being the real truth, so stop turning a difference of opinion into hate.

[Kazanne]

this does really sound like you don't believe her tbh.

Think what you want,its really pointless trying to debate on this

[rusticgal]

How do you know?

None of us truly know what is going on in her mind but I believe her interview was true honest and heartfelt.

It reminds me so much of Diana. Thats why I'm making the comparison.



No we don’t know what’s going on in her mind. You believed her....I’m afraid I didn’t.
Like I said before...I think she is fully in control and knows exactly what she is doing. We all form our opinions on what we see and we all see different.
Diana was truly alone and truly vulnerable...she was so young compared to Meghan...she had a husband that loved another woman and simply wasn’t there for her. Meghan has Harry at her side and a host of friends...she’s 39 and I’m sure she came up against a lot in the industry she was in. In addition to that she has done a lot in her life and seen REAL suffering...even the desire to do the pathetic interview and on the back of everyone who dares say a bad word about her, tells me she is very astute. None of that speaks of vulnerability.
So I don’t buy it.

As for those that say those that disagree are ignorant of mental health are ignorant themselves...because they know nothing about the lives and experiences of other TIBB members.

[Kate!]

Think what you want,its really pointless trying to debate on this

Yes go on. Run along cos I'm not being beaten into Submission

[Kazanne]

Nah, sorry.
If I saw someone suffering, as I have with mental health, I had a friend who was ridiculed everytime he went out from rotten cold people.

There is no way, knowing their pain they had and anguish.
Where I could dismiss others just because I don't know them.

No one's asking anyone to DO anything for Meghan Markle or anyone they don't know.
Just to have the decency from experience of our own loved ones to accept their word.
Not dismiss or call them liars.

Would you have liked your loved ones issues being dismissed by others calling them liars.
What would you think of those that did that to your loved ones too.

I have not called her a liar, but never mind eh?

[joeysteele]

this does really sound like you don't believe her tbh.


It's really sad.
What hope REALLY is there for to remove the stigma of mental health and suicidal issues in this Country.

If those who have witnessed it and dealt with it in their own loved ones
Can be so cold and dismiss others concerns as to their mental health.

I've NEVER doubted Meghan Markle's account of her being in that frightening dark place.
You can't when you've seen it in your own loved ones.
You know how hard it is to just eventually admit you have the issues.
Never mind seek help.
Hence some take their own lives thinking they won't be believed.

That's pretty heartless and cruel.

[Cherie]

No we don’t know what’s going on in her mind. You believed her....I’m afraid I didn’t.
Like I said before...I think she is fully in control and knows exactly what she is doing. We all form our opinions on what we see and we all see different.
Diana was truly alone and truly vulnerable...she was so young compared to Meghan...she had a husband that loved another woman and simply wasn’t there for her. Meghan has Harry at her side and a host of friends...she’s 39 and I’m sure she came up against a lot in the industry she was in. In addition to that she has done a lot in her life and seen REAL suffering...even the desire to do the pathetic interview and on the back of everyone who dares say a bad word about her, tells me she is very astute. None of that speaks of vulnerability.
So I don’t buy it.

As for those that say those that disagree are ignorant of mental health are ignorant themselves...because they know nothing about the lives and experiences of other TIBB members.

Here here Rusti

[Tom4784]

:clap1::clap1: Exactly right its not about hating her its about her truth not being the real truth, so stop turning a difference of opinion into hate.

To think that no one in the world hates her is a very naive thought, and just plain wrong.

You should ask yourself, how you can look at this situation, if you put your own personal biases aside, and make out that she isn't a hate figure. You should ask yourself why you are trying to downplay the hatred of her and make out that it doesn't exist.

The fact that Meghan is hated by many people in the UK should not really be an issue, but there's a reason why people want to downplay it.

I wonder what it is...

[Kate!]

:clap1::clap1: Exactly right its not about hating her its about her truth not being the real truth, so stop turning a difference of opinion into hate.

but Jax how do you know? That her truth is not real?

What if it is?

[Cherie]

Yes go on. Run along cos I'm not being beaten into Submission

You have plenty support on the thread :suspect:

[Kazanne]

Yes go on. Run along cos I'm not being beaten into Submission

Lol,you aint that important Kate, but you got a good thread out of it,:laugh:

[Cherie]

but Jax how do you know? That her truth is not real?

What if it is?

And what if it isn’t :laugh: just agree to disagree maybe :shrug:

[joeysteele]

I have not called her a liar, but never mind eh?

I haven't seen you say you believe her either however.
So I ask again.
What would you have thought if your loved ones weren't believed.

I know what I would think and did when my friend suffered dismissive and disbelief.
Anger and contempt for those who thought that way.

[Scarlett.]

I do wonder how many of the people hounding Meghan are the same people who suddenly fawned over Caroline Flack after her death?

[Kate!]

You have plenty support on the thread :suspect:

I didnt at first. I was a one woman band on a hiding. :laugh:

[Kazanne]

I haven't seen you say you believe her either however.
So I ask again.
What would you have thought if your loved ones weren't believed.

I know what I would think and did when my friend suffered dismissive and disbelief.
Anger and contempt for those who thought that way.

That would be up to individuals whether they believed him or not ,WE did his family ,and loved ones and thats what mattered, I cannot control or want to control what other people think,hope thats enough as Kate has asked me to run along , I think I've out stayed my welcome as I dont agree with some things,

[Kate!]

That would be up to individuals whether they believed him or not ,WE did his family ,and loved ones and thats what mattered, I cannot control or want to control what other people think,hope thats enough as Kate has asked me to run along , I think I've out stayed my welcome as I dont agree with some things,

hey I'm not saying you can't post. You said you were out of here. Thats why I said run along.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I do wonder how many of the people hounding Meghan are the same people who suddenly fawned over Caroline Flack after her death?

None

Had Flack not attempted murder in the dead of night....

Take responsibility

[Marsh.]

I do wonder how many of the people hounding Meghan are the same people who suddenly fawned over Caroline Flack after her death?

Chief Suspect No. 1: Piers Morgan

Head of the #bekind club.

[Glenn.]

No I don’t....Meghan is fully in control and knows exactly what she’s doing.

Agree 100%. She's over confident if anything and isn't vulnerable at all - but she's playing on the emotions of the vulnerable.

So down playing her mental health issues then...

Despicable.

[joeysteele]

That would be up to individuals whether they believed him or not ,WE did his family ,and loved ones and thats what mattered, I cannot control or want to control what other people think,hope thats enough as Kate has asked me to run along , I think I've out stayed my welcome as I dont agree with some things,

Well if those with mental health issues or suicidal ones can only rely on their loved ones, which is right they should be able to.
HOWEVER then those loved ones don't express belief and empathy to others suffering from same.

Then the stigma of mental health is never going to be changed for others.
If those loved ones just don't care a jot to change attitudes to mental health.

I can't see what you could disagree with after witnessing such sadness of your own.
Unbelievable.