William was furious at Harry and Meghan's 'insulting and disrespectful' Attack

[arista]

William was furious at Harry and Meghan's 'insulting and disrespectful'
The Queen

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1373459765574172674/GodHAOdf?format=jpg&name=small


Yes William
tell your Brother Off.


[Prince William was furious that Harry and Meghan
'insulted' the Queen with a 'disrespectful'
response to her ban on them using
the word 'royal' in future business ventures,
allies said last night in fresh revelations
about the Royal Family amid the fall-out
from the Sussexes' Oprah interview.
The Duke of Cambridge's rift with
his brother is said to have soured
even further in early 2020 when
the Sussexes 'blindsided' Her Majesty
with a terse statement hitting back
at the Palace last year.
William's allies have provided fresh insights amid
the ongoing fall-out from Harry and Meghan's
accusations of racism in the Royal family,
and their revelation last week to
US TV host Gayle King that peace talks
with the prince and Charles had not been 'productive'.]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9385077/William-angry-Harry-Meghans-insulting-disrespectful-response-Queen.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline



On this new thread
there is no need to attack posters for their views/

Attack Meghan/Harry or William
I say.


Related
['I'm NOT trapped': Prince William dismisses brother
Harry's Oprah interview claims that he's stuck in the system
of the British monarchy because he 'accepts'
the 'path set for him', royal insiders say]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9385495/Prince-William-not-trapped-British-Monarchy-sources-close-royal-family-say.html

[Tom4784]

More hearsay from a rag with a personal grudge because they lost a lawsuit.

[arista]

More hearsay from a rag with a personal grudge because they lost a lawsuit.


You could say that.
But I get the Feeling William is happy in his Job,
and Angry with Harry.

[Shaun]

And I get the feeling that it's going to be sunny on June 23, arista. Is that worth reporting?

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

He’s bald and ugly who cares

[Crimson Dynamo]

More hearsay from a rag with a personal grudge because they lost a lawsuit.

https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/uk-world-news/prince-william-furious-harrys-insulting-5028844

Cornwall live wish to report this

[Crimson Dynamo]

oh wait

all media outlets are running this story

I googled: William was furious at Harry and Meghan'


16 different large media outlets running this story on first page

[rusticgal]

...and so he should be :laugh:

[user104658]

Wow can't believe William and Kate deliberately leaked this information to Royal insiders and told them to give it to the press to be published? So disrespectful of the family and their privacy, they could really just have told this to Harry and Meghan in private. So disrespectful of the Queen at a time when her husband is just out of hospital. Someone really needs to have words with William about the information he arranges to be given to the press via others.

[arista]

And I get the feeling that it's going to be sunny on June 23, arista. Is that worth reporting?


Yes its Worthy
William can have a voice

[arista]

He’s bald and ugly who cares

Millions in the UK care.


Nice to see You on this Section.

[user104658]

William can have a voice

Really awful of him to do this in public but the be fair I don't blame William, it is his wife Kate who is to blame for this for some reason.

[arista]

Really awful of him to do this in public but the be fair I don't blame William, it is his wife Kate who is to blame for this for some reason.


Its Both of them
Haz and Meg

[Crimson Dynamo]

...and so he should be :laugh:

and he has the support of the GBP

[rusticgal]

and he has the support of the GBP

He does indeed. :cheer2:

[thesheriff443]

He’s bald and ugly who cares

You would still suck his big toe.

[thesheriff443]

Next year will be the queens platinum anniversary of be on th throne and there will be major celebrations Harry and Meghan are due to attend.

That’s going to be awkward

[thesheriff443]

Harry and William are due to unveil a statue of their late mother Diana on the 21 of July this year to mark what would of been her 60th birthday

[rusticgal]

Next year will be the queens platinum anniversary of be on th throne and there will be major celebrations Harry and Meghan are due to attend.

That’s going to be awkward


Unless they sort it out soon it will be very awkward...

[user104658]

Unless they sort it out soon it will be very awkward...

Their relationship is quite blatantly nowhere near as bad as the press likes to make out.

[Glenn.]

Oh it’s the Daily Mail.

[Tom4784]

Really awful of him to do this in public but the be fair I don't blame William, it is his wife Kate who is to blame for this for some reason.

She is a commoner, after all, she should know her place! I knew she was going to be trouble!!

[AnnieK]

Really awful of him to do this in public but the be fair I don't blame William, it is his wife Kate who is to blame for this for some reason.

Yeah I don't get the difference between this being leaked by William's friends and its him having a voice but when the "unproductive phone call" was leaked by Harry's friend, that was disrespectful and they should be ashamed.

Its all beyond boring now

:shrug:

[rusticgal]

Their relationship is quite blatantly nowhere near as bad as the press likes to make out.


You think?....I disagree, I would say its at an all time low.

[Tom4784]

Yeah I don't get the difference between this being leaked by William's friends and its him having a voice but when the "unproductive phone call" was leaked by Harry's friend, that was disrespectful and they should be ashamed.

Its all beyond boring now

:shrug:

It's all just confirmation bias really.

[thesheriff443]

Yeah I don't get the difference between this being leaked by William's friends and its him having a voice but when the "unproductive phone call" was leaked by Harry's friend, that was disrespectful and they should be ashamed.

Its all beyond boring now

:shrug:

But it was not Harry’s friend it’s was meghan’s friend who told her millions of viewers.

It’s tit for tat but get the facts right.

[user104658]

You think?....I disagree, I would say its at an all time low.

It might well be at an all time low - it still isn't the devastating blood feud being wished for by the press.

[AnnieK]

But it was not Harry’s friend it’s was meghan’s friend who told her millions of viewers.

It’s tit for tat but get the facts right.

I'm sure she is friends with both of them....as I'm sure William's friends are friends with Kate also. Not sure what the issue is to be honest. Also William's friends told the media sources with millions of readers.....both in print and online.

[Cherie]

About time William snapped back, Harry has been gaslighting his Grandmother since Megxit, there is no correlation here, William is taking on Harry, Harry was taking on his 94 year old Grandmother :skull: Also he is not revealing anything that is not currently in the public domain

[arista]

About time William snapped back, Harry has been gaslighting his Grandmother since Megxit, there is no correlation here, William is taking on Harry, Harry was taking on his 94 year old Grandmother :skull: Also he is not revealing anything that is not currently in the public domain


Yes that why I made this thread.


With an added massage:
On this new thread
there is no need to attack posters for their views/

Attack Meghan or William
I say.

[Cherie]

Yes that why I made this thread.


With an added massage:
On this new thread
there is no need to attack posters for their views/

Attack Meghan or William
I say.

Can you we attack Harry :worry:

I think William has kept his counsel very well over the last year and a half, Harry fired the first shot when he said he and William had fallen out in the SA interview and he has carried on sniping at the Queen since, while still claiming to have the utmost respect :laugh:

[bots]

Harry: "I have the utmost respect ..... racist b1tch" :laugh:

[Tom4784]

People are far too quick to believe their own fiction, really, and the fiction that newspapers **** out.

[arista]

Can you we attack Harry :worry:

I think William has kept his counsel very well over the last year and a half, Harry fired the first shot when he said he and William had fallen out in the SA interview and he has carried on sniping at the Queen since, while still claiming to have the utmost respect :laugh:



Yes we can all attack Harry as well.

[Jordan.]

Harry, Meghan and Archie will always be much loved members of my family - Her Majesty The Queen :love:

[Marsh.]

Wow can't believe William and Kate deliberately leaked this information to Royal insiders and told them to give it to the press to be published? So disrespectful of the family and their privacy, they could really just have told this to Harry and Meghan in private. So disrespectful of the Queen at a time when her husband is just out of hospital. Someone really needs to have words with William about the information he arranges to be given to the press via others.

:hehe:

[Marsh.]

But it was not Harry’s friend it’s was meghan’s friend who told her millions of viewers.

Yet, she spoke to Harry himself.

[jet]

Can you we attack Harry :worry:

I think William has kept his counsel very well over the last year and a half, Harry fired the first shot when he said he and William had fallen out in the SA interview and he has carried on sniping at the Queen since, while still claiming to have the utmost respect :laugh:

Agreed. William letting his reaction be known is totally different from as you say ‘firing the first shot’ - and its not as if H&M won't already know how he feels. They have had free rein to say what they want for 18 months knowing the Palace won't answer back in kind - well, watch out, looks like William isn’t prepared to ‘never complain, never explain’ all of the time. Looks like he wants certain feelings known - and he isn’t spilling any personal info on H&M, unlike those two LA blabbermouths, which I’m sure he certainly could do. :whistle:

[Marsh.]

Agreed. William letting his reaction be known is totally different

:joker::joker::joker::joker:

[thesheriff443]

Yet, she spoke to Harry himself.

Yet again you are wrong Meghan told her the call was un productive not Harry

Gayle king and Harry Windsor good friends don’t make me laugh, it’s yet another one of meghans American friends.

[Tom4784]

Just kinda shows how warped this whole situation is when it comes to the public's perspective when people don't realise their own hypocrisy for not lashing out at William like they did at Harry and Meghan when something similar happened to them.

It's all just rampant hypocrisy and confirmation bias.

[Cherie]

Harry: "I have the utmost respect ..... racist b1tch" :laugh:

They would have 100% left the Archie skin colour thing hang over Liz and Phil if he hadn't been in hospital, but she has been nothing but nice to us :laugh:

[Marsh.]

Yet again you are wrong Meghan told her the call was un productive not Harry

Gayle king and Harry Windsor good friends don’t make me laugh, it’s yet another one of meghans American friends.

"I called them..."
"I spoke to them...."
"Harry has talked to his brother and his father..."
"They both want to..."

Her words contradict your bias.

[Marsh.]

They would have 100% left the Archie skin colour thing hang over Liz and Phil if he hadn't been in hospital, but she has been nothing but nice to us :laugh:

Based on what?

[Tom4784]

They would have 100% left the Archie skin colour thing hang over Liz and Phil if he hadn't been in hospital, but she has been nothing but nice to us :laugh:

That's just an assumption on your part though.

In fact, they filmed that interview quite a while back, if I remember, so Phillip's recent issues would have had no impact on the content because it was already filmed. They were complimentary to the queen regardless, Meghan herself shared an anecdote that painted the queen in a positive light, if the fiction you're trying to push was true, they simply wouldn't have done that, because it would have done the opposite of what they wanted. Harry's not in a fight with the queen, they've both said as much, and pretending they are is just pointless in the light of that.

[Cherie]

Based on what?

Based on that they issued a statement via Ophrah after the interview was aired saying it wasn't Liz or Phil

[jet]

Just kinda shows how warped this whole situation is when it comes to the public's perspective when people don't realise their own hypocrisy for not lashing out at William like they did at Harry and Meghan when something similar happened to them.

It's all just rampant hypocrisy and confirmation bias.

Meghan and Harry do an Oprah tell - all; they blab about how a private conversation went through a friend on an popular American TV show.
William may or may not have let his feelings about all this be known through a source.
Yeah, the same. Listen to yourself.

[Marsh.]

Based on that they issued a statement via Ophrah after the interview was aired saying it wasn't Liz or Phil

But they told Oprah that information during the filming of it, before Philip was in hospital.

[Tom4784]

Meghan and Harry do an Oprah tell - all; they blab about how a private conversation went through a friend on an popular American TV show.
William may or may not have let his feelings about all this be known through a source.
Yeah, the same. Listen to yourself.

Except the same people defending William, were trashing Meghan for a similar story coming out about her friends revealing details. It's okay for these stories about Will to come out, but not Meghan.

You should listen to your own advice. You need it more.

[joeysteele]

Wow can't believe William and Kate deliberately leaked this information to Royal insiders and told them to give it to the press to be published? So disrespectful of the family and their privacy, they could really just have told this to Harry and Meghan in private. So disrespectful of the Queen at a time when her husband is just out of hospital. Someone really needs to have words with William about the information he arranges to be given to the press via others.


You've actually said all I felt really on reading this.

Because it's supposedly via Prince William it will be fine of course.

[jet]

That's just an assumption on your part though.

In fact, they filmed that interview quite a while back, if I remember, so Phillip's recent issues would have had no impact on the content because it was already filmed. They were complimentary to the queen regardless, Meghan herself shared an anecdote that painted the queen in a positive light, if the fiction you're trying to push was true, they simply wouldn't have done that, because it would have done the opposite of what they wanted. Harry's not in a fight with the queen, they've both said as much, and pretending they are is just pointless in the light of that.

The Queen doesn't 'fight' she goes into action....:dance:


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9384591/Palace-aide-rubbishes-Harry-Meghans-claim-men-grey-suits-run-Monarchy.html

The Queen is not a puppet! Her Majesty has never been more in charge or more ready to be ruthless after Harry and Meghan's claim that 'men in suits' run the monarchy, say sources

Queen made it as clear as possible that she, and she alone, remains in charge

Been made clear on behalf of Queen and her staff that Royal Family disagrees in the strongest terms with Prince Harry and Meghan's version of events

Statement said ‘recollections may vary’ but their concerns taken ‘very seriously
’
Sources say this had the full backing of both Prince Charles and Prince William
Her Majesty will not allow Prince Harry and Meghan to derail the Monarchy

By KATE MANSEY DEPUTY FEATURES EDITOR FOR THE MAIL ON SUNDAY
PUBLISHED: 22:02, 20 March 2021

Excerpts:
…...Take, for example, the uncompromising way in which Harry was stripped of his honours and patronages, the couple banned from carrying out engagements on behalf of the Queen, and from using their HRH titles to further their financial interests.
No longer were the Queen’s views judiciously concealed. She was unhappy and acted swiftly. The Queen let it be known that she was not only ‘disappointed’ but also ‘hurt’.....
But Her Majesty, a dedicated card player, knows the rules of patience – and will not allow Harry and Meghan to derail the Monarchy she has worked so hard to maintain.

[GoldHeart]

Yeah I don't get the difference between this being leaked by William's friends and its him having a voice but when the "unproductive phone call" was leaked by Harry's friend, that was disrespectful and they should be ashamed.

Its all beyond boring now

:shrug:

Just the usual double standards really :idc:.

Harry & Meghan must shut up , even though it's been blown out if proportion .

But William & Kate get support for giving their opinions .

[GoldHeart]

That's just an assumption on your part though.

In fact, they filmed that interview quite a while back, if I remember, so Phillip's recent issues would have had no impact on the content because it was already filmed. They were complimentary to the queen regardless, Meghan herself shared an anecdote that painted the queen in a positive light, if the fiction you're trying to push was true, they simply wouldn't have done that, because it would have done the opposite of what they wanted. Harry's not in a fight with the queen, they've both said as much, and pretending they are is just pointless in the light of that.

Yeah I was about to say wasn't the interview done before Philip's health deteriorated , so definitely assumptions being made now

[jet]

Just the usual double standards really :idc:.

Harry & Meghan must shut up , even though it's been blown out if proportion .

But William & Kate get support for giving their opinions .

So you are saying that Meghan and Harry can say what they want, when they want about the royals, but the royals should never answer back with what they feel about it? .....and you aren't the only one saying this of course. I didn't think the H&M threads could get any sillier, but how wrong I was...:smug:

[Tom4784]

The Queen doesn't 'fight' she goes into action....:dance:


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9384591/Palace-aide-rubbishes-Harry-Meghans-claim-men-grey-suits-run-Monarchy.html

The Queen is not a puppet! Her Majesty has never been more in charge or more ready to be ruthless after Harry and Meghan's claim that 'men in suits' run the monarchy, say sources

Queen made it as clear as possible that she, and she alone, remains in charge

Been made clear on behalf of Queen and her staff that Royal Family disagrees in the strongest terms with Prince Harry and Meghan's version of events

Statement said ‘recollections may vary’ but their concerns taken ‘very seriously
’
Sources say this had the full backing of both Prince Charles and Prince William
Her Majesty will not allow Prince Harry and Meghan to derail the Monarchy

By KATE MANSEY DEPUTY FEATURES EDITOR FOR THE MAIL ON SUNDAY
PUBLISHED: 22:02, 20 March 2021

Excerpts:
…...Take, for example, the uncompromising way in which Harry was stripped of his honours and patronages, the couple banned from carrying out engagements on behalf of the Queen, and from using their HRH titles to further their financial interests.
No longer were the Queen’s views judiciously concealed. She was unhappy and acted swiftly. The Queen let it be known that she was not only ‘disappointed’ but also ‘hurt’.....
But Her Majesty, a dedicated card player, knows the rules of patience – and will not allow Harry and Meghan to derail the Monarchy she has worked so hard to maintain.

More hearsay from the Daily Mail, then, and demented sounding hearsay at that.

[Tom4784]

So you are saying that Meghan and Harry can say what they want, when they want about the royals, but the royals should never answer back with what they feel about it? .....and you aren't the only one saying this of course. I didn't think the H&M threads could get any sillier, but how wrong I was...:smug:

If you're gonna criticise Meghan for stories like this coming out, then you must criticise Will when the same thing happens, lest your hypocrisy is pointed out.

No one's saying that the Royals can't respond, we're just pointing out the hypocrisy of people who criticised Meghan but won't criticise Will when a similar story comes out about him. That's the be all and end all of it.

You know what's really silly? Strawman arguments and confirmation bias.

[GoldHeart]

How come one is praised for 'fighting back' and the other is labelled 'disrespectful',when in both situations it's nothing we didn't already know and both are being public about about it.

We knew Harry's relationship with his brother and Dad isn't the best at the moment, and we knew William wouldn't be entirely happy . But I still don't think the family rift is as bad as the media is making out .

[Cherie]

How come one is praised for 'fighting back' and the other is labelled 'disrespectful',when in both situations it's nothing we didn't already know and both are being public about about it.

We knew Harry's relationship with his brother and Dad isn't the best at the moment, and we knew William wouldn't be entirely happy . But I still don't think the family rift is as bad as the media is making out .

Because they are responding to allegations made by Harry?

Like he said William bound by duty in order words saying he would rather be anywhere else, that is not for Harry to say, he has walked and he wasn't in line anyway, if William wants to walk he can if he wants and Charles can abdicate as well

[jet]

More hearsay from the Daily Mail, then, and demented sounding hearsay at that.

You are so wrong... its not just in the DM.
You must think she's a fluffy soft little granny figure who is tolerating what these 2 are doing. Never underestimate the Queen, ever! :thumbs2:

[jet]

If you're gonna criticise Meghan for stories like this coming out, then you must criticise Will when the same thing happens, lest your hypocrisy is pointed out.

No one's saying that the Royals can't respond, we're just pointing out the hypocrisy of people who criticised Meghan but won't criticise Will when a similar story comes out about him. That's the be all and end all of it.

You know what's really silly? Strawman arguments and confirmation bias.

BS. :laugh:

[GoldHeart]

Because they are responding to allegations made by Harry?

Like he said William bound by duty in order words saying he would rather be anywhere else, that is not for Harry to say, he has walked and he wasn't in line anyway, if William wants to walk he can if he wants and Charles can abdicate as well

Did Harry lie though ?

William will never walk away from royal protocol and duties, why would he and how would he ? . The focus is on Kate and William when it comes to the next generation,next in line and following with tradition.

Charles is in his 70s why would he abdicate now , there's a high chance he'll pass the throne to William when the Queen dies though .

[jet]

If you're gonna criticise Meghan for stories like this coming out, then you must criticise Will when the same thing happens, lest your hypocrisy is pointed out.

No one's saying that the Royals can't respond, we're just pointing out the hypocrisy of people who criticised Meghan but won't criticise Will when a similar story comes out about him. That's the be all and end all of it.

You know what's really silly? Strawman arguments and confirmation bias.

So if someone made public a conversation with you that was private, and a friend of yours criticized them for doing that, and you reveal your feelings publicly about how it made you feel and the friend says to you 'well done, you!', would you say to the friend 'you're a hypocrite!!'. :laugh:

[thesheriff443]

Did Harry lie though ?

William will never walk away from royal protocol and duties, why would he and how would he ? . The focus is on Kate and William when it comes to the next generation,next in line and following with tradition.

Charles is in his 70s why would he abdicate now , there's a high chance he'll pass the throne to William when the Queen dies though .

No way will Charlie’s pass the throne to William Charles will be king because it’s his destiny unless he died before he could take to the throne.

People have said in the past the queen should step down but she will die as the queen of this country.

[GoldHeart]

Of course the Queen won't step down,why would she when she's been reigning for 70 years . At the age of 94 now why would she ,she sees it as her duty to carry on.

But I still think Charles might pass it to William,but we'll see I guess .

[thesheriff443]

Of course the Queen won't step down,why would she when she's been reigning for 70 years . At the age of 94 now why would she ,she sees it as her duty to carry on.

But I still think Charles might pass it to William,but we'll see I guess .

Never it’s Charles birth right to be king and just like queen would never step down Charles will take his place in history

[Glenn.]

Wow can't believe William and Kate deliberately leaked this information to Royal insiders and told them to give it to the press to be published? So disrespectful of the family and their privacy, they could really just have told this to Harry and Meghan in private. So disrespectful of the Queen at a time when her husband is just out of hospital. Someone really needs to have words with William about the information he arranges to be given to the press via others.

Oop

[GoldHeart]

I never said it wasn't Charles' birthright, but if he gives it up then he gives it up , he's not exactly a spring chicken.

[rusticgal]

So if someone made public a conversation with you that was private, and a friend of yours criticized them for doing that, and you reveal your feelings publicly about how it made you feel and the friend says to you 'well done, you!', would you say to the friend 'you're a hypocrite!!'. :laugh:


....and all this from a woman who likes to keep her private life private...unless of course it’s to cause a problem with someone else’s.

All William was doing was telling us how he feels...because let’s face it we are sick and tired of hearing about how H&M are feeling.

[GoldHeart]

H& M are saying how they feel too

[Cherie]

Did Harry lie though ?

William will never walk away from royal protocol and duties, why would he and how would he ? . The focus is on Kate and William when it comes to the next generation,next in line and following with tradition.

Charles is in his 70s why would he abdicate now , there's a high chance he'll pass the throne to William when the Queen dies though .

It's not really his business any more, he talks about privacy then bangs on that his Dad and Brother are trapped :laugh:

[Cherie]

I read an article yesterday asking where Harrys friends were, while we have heard from Serena and Megs Suits co-stars all backing the pair, not one of Harry's friends have spoken up on his behalf

[thesheriff443]

I read an article yesterday asking where Harrys friends were, while we have heard from Serena and Megs Suits co-stars all backing the pair, not one of Harry's friends have spoken up on his behalf

Meghan said because he has been a good boy she let him keep his action man dollls.

[user104658]

Agreed. William letting his reaction be known is totally different from as you say ‘firing the first shot’ - and its not as if H&M won't already know how he feels. They have had free rein to say what they want for 18 months knowing the Palace won't answer back in kind - well, watch out, looks like William isn’t prepared to ‘never complain, never explain’ all of the time. Looks like he wants certain feelings known - and he isn’t spilling any personal info on H&M, unlike those two LA blabbermouths, which I’m sure he certainly could do. :whistle:

"It is TERRIBLE for Meghan and Harry to speak about this!"

"What if William does it?"

"Oh that is fine."

"Why??"

"Because YAY WILLIAM!"


:joker: ... actual footage of the mental gymnastics required to make it "disgusting" that Harry and Meghan said a phonecall was unproductive, but "totally fine" that William has called them insulting and disrespectful:

https://media.tenor.com/images/4f68d1ea383b1ecc515b257c5676f830/tenor.gif

Really just confirmation that all of these debates have NOTHING to do with ANYTHING other than unquestioning dogmatic allegiance to the Monarchy, which really makes these threads completely and utterly pointless. Arguing points that just don't matter when it all it really comes down to is "because THE QUEEN" or "because WILLIAM FUTURE KING". Honestly just nonsense at this point... nothing but a display of rampant loyalism. I knew there was orange on my radar, should have gone with my instincts :idc:.

[user104658]

I read an article yesterday asking where Harrys friends were, while we have heard from Serena and Megs Suits co-stars all backing the pair, not one of Harry's friends have spoken up on his behalf

Use your noggin Cherie, most of Harry's pals are still active military they're not going to speak out against the Sovereign Head of the Armed Forces ffs :joker:

[GoldHeart]

Use your noggin Cherie, most of Harry's pals are still active military they're not going to speak out against the Sovereign Head of the Armed Forces ffs :joker:

Valid point

[thesheriff443]

Use your noggin Cherie, most of Harry's pals are still active military they're not going to speak out against the Sovereign Head of the Armed Forces ffs :joker:

Yes they are serving their country so they ain’t got nothing in common with Harry any more

All Harry does these days is serve the tea when meghans friends pop round.

[thesheriff443]

So Meghan and Harry’s marriage certificate has been seen for the first time and it proves that she was talking bollox when she said they married three days before in their back garden.

Like so much of what she said was made up crap to suit their story of being victims without voices or the ability to get any help

[Cherie]

Use your noggin Cherie, most of Harry's pals are still active military they're not going to speak out against the Sovereign Head of the Armed Forces ffs :joker:

So he has no friends from his school days...okay that’s weird, are you saying he only has friends from his army days, a quick google will dispel that for you

[joeysteele]

Use your noggin Cherie, most of Harry's pals are still active military they're not going to speak out against the Sovereign Head of the Armed Forces ffs :joker:

Very strong valid point indeed.

[jet]

"It is TERRIBLE for Meghan and Harry to speak about this!"

"What if William does it?"

"Oh that is fine."

"Why??"

"Because YAY WILLIAM!"


:joker: ... actual footage of the mental gymnastics required to make it "disgusting" that Harry and Meghan said a phonecall was unproductive, but "totally fine" that William has called them insulting and disrespectful:

https://media.tenor.com/images/4f68d1ea383b1ecc515b257c5676f830/tenor.gif

Really just confirmation that all of these debates have NOTHING to do with ANYTHING other than unquestioning dogmatic allegiance to the Monarchy, which really makes these threads completely and utterly pointless. Arguing points that just don't matter when it all it really comes down to is "because THE QUEEN" or "because WILLIAM FUTURE KING". Honestly just nonsense at this point... nothing but a display of rampant loyalism. I knew there was orange on my radar, should have gone with my instincts :idc:.

Rampant loyalism :umm2:

As I said before:
So you are saying that Meghan and Harry can say what they want, when they want about the royals, but the royals should never answer back with what they feel about it? ...I didn't think these H&M threads could get any sillier, but how wrong I was...
You seem upset/angry TS?

[jet]

Yes they are serving their country so they ain’t got nothing in common with Harry any more

All Harry does these days is serve the tea when meghans friends pop round.

:laugh:

[rusticgal]

H& M are saying how they feel too


The information Meghan relayed to her broadcaster friend were not feelings...they were an insight into how a private conversation went between her husband and his family....this is the woman who demands that her private conversations remain private.
This is the first time William has passed comment on his feelings on the matter...it doesn’t compare to the endless interviews H&M have spent spouting theirs.

[GoldHeart]

Does anyone else see the contractions I'm seeing whilst the narrative of Harry changes daily .

Is he under the thumb serving tea as Meghan bullies him ?
Or is he the nazi costume wearer who throws his family under the bus ? .

Make up your mind :idc::whistle:

[Marsh.]

Yes they are serving their country

:joker:

[rusticgal]

So Meghan and Harry’s marriage certificate has been seen for the first time and it proves that she was talking bollox when she said they married three days before in their back garden.

Like so much of what she said was made up crap to suit their story of being victims without voices or the ability to get any help



Yup....one of many ‘untruths’...:laugh:

[Glenn.]

Does anyone else see the contractions I'm seeing whilst the narrative of Harry changes daily .

Is he under the thumb serving tea as Meghan bullies him ?
Or is he the nazi costume wearer who throws his family under the bus ? .

Make up your mind :idc::whistle:

Just like how Meghan is a master manipulator but also a terrible actress at the same time.

[GoldHeart]

Just like how Meghan is a master manipulator but also a terrible actress at the same time.

Confusing really :conf: Lol

[jet]

Yup....one of many ‘untruths’...:laugh:

She's a compulsive liar, and she did it with the knowledge that the Royals 'never complain, never explain'. Same with spilling the private conversation, she thought there would be no comeback.
Good for William for saying how he felt about it, though like Meghan, some think he should just keep his mouth shut. The nerve of him! :laugh:

[Marsh.]

No conversation has been spilled.

You saying it does not change that.

[user104658]

So he has no friends from his school days...okay that’s weird, are you saying he only has friends from his army days, a quick google will dispel that for you

A quick google should also clear up that “most of” does not mean “all”, if the concept is confusing. It means a large percentage of, or the majority of. If I had meant all, I would have said all.

[user104658]

Rampant loyalism :umm2:

As I said before:
So you are saying that Meghan and Harry can say what they want, when they want about the royals, but the royals should never answer back with what they feel about it? ...I didn't think these H&M threads could get any sillier, but how wrong I was...
You seem upset/angry TS?

No jet I’m saying that Harry and Meghan can say what they want AND William can say what he wants, because neither is bigger nor cleverer nor more important than the other. I’m not the one with double standards. I would just at least like some sort of consistency - condemning one whilst excusing the other is (again) demonstrative of bias and at this point, as I said,it’s pretty clear that these threads are not really discussions so much as just watching people barf up pro-monarchy propaganda.

I’m angry because I don’t like wasting my time locking horns with zealots.

[rusticgal]

Does anyone else see the contractions I'm seeing whilst the narrative of Harry changes daily .

Is he under the thumb serving tea as Meghan bullies him ?
Or is he the nazi costume wearer who throws his family under the bus ? .

Make up your mind :idc::whistle:


Meghan gets what Meghan wants....she is all he has and sadly he is throwing his family under the bus to keep her happy. Your comparison is ridiculous...the Nazi uniform wearer came into play when they played the racist card...:laugh:

[user104658]

Meghan gets what Meghan wants....she is all he has and sadly he is throwing his family under the bus to keep her happy. Your comparison is ridiculous...the Nazi uniform wearer came into play when they played the racist card...:laugh:


Just more misogynistic nonsense,the old trope of the evil battleaxe wife and the poor, powerless, controlled hubby under the thumb of a nasty woman. Gross and shameful.

[GoldHeart]

Meghan gets what Meghan wants....she is all he has and sadly he is throwing his family under the bus to keep her happy. Your comparison is ridiculous...the Nazi uniform wearer came into play when they played the racist card...:laugh:

But that's like accusing Wills of being under Kate's thumb .

My comparison stands ,as the nazi costume was only dug up to fit a narrative. Why wasn't it brought up before Oprah or even before he met Meghan.

Harry has his own mind , and as I keep saying I think he's been wanting to step away for a long time. When you're in a relationship / married surely you make decisions together. Or is Harry too stupid ? and is Meghan too manipulative ? .

[thesheriff443]

Just more misogynistic nonsense,the old trope of the evil battleaxe wife and the poor, powerless, controlled hubby under the thumb of a nasty woman. Gross and shameful.

Can someone check if Mrs soldier is using ts’s account

[Marsh.]

No jet I’m saying that Harry and Meghan can say what they want AND William can say what he wants, because neither is bigger nor cleverer nor more important than the other. I’m not the one with double standards. I would just at least like some sort of consistency - condemning one whilst excusing the other is (again) demonstrative of bias and at this point, as I said,it’s pretty clear that these threads are not really discussions so much as just watching people barf up pro-monarchy propaganda.

I’m angry because I don’t like wasting my time locking horns with zealots.

Just more misogynistic nonsense,the old trope of the evil battleaxe wife and the poor, powerless, controlled hubby under the thumb of a nasty woman. Gross and shameful.

60,000 Meghan threads summed up succinctly. :clap1:

[thesheriff443]

But that's like accusing Wills of being under Kate's thumb .

My comparison stands ,as the nazi costume was only dug up to fit a narrative. Why wasn't it brought up before Oprah or even before he met Meghan.

Harry has his own mind , and as I keep saying I think he's been wanting to step away for a long time. When you're in a relationship / married surely you make decisions together. Or is Harry too stupid ? and is Meghan too manipulative ? .

As if anyone on the planet believes it was Harry’s idea to live in America in celebrity central.

Harry’s idea was to live in Africa in a mud hut and drive an elephant to work.

[Marsh.]

Yeah, Harry didn't want America so he didn't marry an American woman.

[Glenn.]

Yeah, Harry didn't want America so he didn't marry an American woman.

Or move to America

[Tom4784]

You are so wrong... its not just in the DM.
You must think she's a fluffy soft little granny figure who is tolerating what these 2 are doing. Never underestimate the Queen, ever! :thumbs2:

Rags are rags.

I don't think anything when it comes to the royals, I just go off their direct statements because I'm not a crazy person who thinks they know the inner workings of a family I'm not part of based on dubious rags with a bone to pick.

BS. :laugh:

Nothing about what I said is BS. You are heavily engaged in strawman arguments and confirmation bias.

A strawman argument is 'an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.' In this case, you're making out that criticising people for not finding fault with this story when they criticised Meghan for a similar story a while ago are somehow saying that Harry and Meghan can say what they want while the royals cannot, something that is false to anyone with basic reading comprehension.

I will continue to point out the flaws in your arguments while they continue to be ever present and fatal to what you are trying to say.

[Tom4784]

Yes they are serving their country so they ain’t got nothing in common with Harry any more

All Harry does these days is serve the tea when meghans friends pop round.

What a grotesque thing to say, Harry was in the military for ten years which is probably ten years longer than most of us here.

I do despise people who will use the military as a prop to make themselves look humble and holier than thou and then **** on a veteran for being a veteran just because it doesn't suit them to be thankful for their service.

[GoldHeart]

As if anyone on the planet believes it was Harry’s idea to live in America in celebrity central.

Harry’s idea was to live in Africa in a mud hut and drive an elephant to work.

There you go again making assumptions of what Harry wanted and where Harry wanted to live , why wouldn't he want to live in America ? afterall it's where Meghan was born and bred .

[Tom4784]

People really need to learn how to separate their assumptions from established facts.

[thesheriff443]

There you go again making assumptions of what Harry wanted and where Harry wanted to live , why wouldn't he want to live in America ? afterall it's where Meghan was born and bred .

Yes Meghan was born and bred there its the place she calls home it’s not Harry’s country of birth or some were he has ever mentioned he wanted to live.

Harry has gone to were his wife wanted to live not the other way round.

Harry longed to live in Africa and help poor people have better life’s so there are no assumptions.

People make sacrifices when they are in relationships and Harry has gone to were Meghan wanted to be.

Because the facts are they were going to live half in the uk half in Canada with their half in half out idea when they got told it was all or nothing they went to America.

[thesheriff443]

People really need to learn how to separate their assumptions from established facts.

People need to learn to accept they can’t be right all the time.

[thesheriff443]

What a grotesque thing to say, Harry was in the military for ten years which is probably ten years longer than most of us here.

I do despise people who will use the military as a prop to make themselves look humble and holier than thou and then **** on a veteran for being a veteran just because it doesn't suit them to be thankful for their service.

Do you really think Harry actually shot any one? Or saw live combat?

They was never going to let a royal get killed they let Harry play in the army
If you really want to look closer at it he was probably never had the iq to even be an officer and from memory her struggled to get through army training.

Charles is one of the most educated royals and can fly planes helicopters and was proper officer material.

[Ammi]

...there is a Sky News interview with one of Harry’s friends, Dean Stott...(...I would say as a general, though...)...Meghan has come under the largest criticisms from the media, hence the chain of events in the first place that led to them stepping back...so there would be some speaking out for her from those who have known her in the past and who don’t recognise this ‘media creation of the vilifying of Meghan’...

...this really now feels like the media/social media etc trying to push stories almost daily, rather than now just give them space to see what family healing can be done...it feels as though, the media and some public don’t want any healing, that there is a thriving off any discord within the family atm because a chain of events and (..possibly faults by all parties...)...has led to a stepping back of senior royals and a decision to live overseas to build a new life...

l6EJ3tlJgU0

[AnnieK]

Do you really think Harry actually shot any one? Or saw live combat?

They was never going to let a royal get killed they let Harry play in the army
If you really want to look closer at it he was probably never had the iq to even be an officer and from memory her struggled to get through army training.

Charles is one of the most educated royals and can fly planes helicopters and was proper officer material.

He served on the front line in both Iraq and Afghanistan. He was only brought home because a media blackout was breached and it became a concern that he would be a Taliban target and risk his whole company

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk/2008/feb/28/military.afghanistan

[thesheriff443]

He served on the front line in both Iraq and Afghanistan. He was only brought home because a media blackout was breached and it became a concern that he would be a Taliban target and risk his whole company

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk/2008/feb/28/military.afghanistan

I don’t believe he was in any real danger for one minute

[AnnieK]

I don’t believe he was in any real danger for one minute

The front line is the front line in a war zone. Did you want him shot to prove he has seen active service? I'm sure the other soldiers he served with will tell you that the danger was very real every minute of every day

[thesheriff443]

The front line is the front line in a war zone. Did you want him shot to prove he has seen active service? I'm sure the other soldiers he served with will tell you that the danger was very real every minute of every day

See when the news black out was broken and there was a danger of the taliban killing him he was brought home but I bet his fellow soldiers were left there to take there chances.

You are absolutely absolutely wet behind the he ears if you think he was put in the line of fire.
And that old do I want killed line is not going to wash with me.

[jet]

No jet I’m saying that Harry and Meghan can say what they want AND William can say what he wants, because neither is bigger nor cleverer nor more important than the other. I’m not the one with double standards. I would just at least like some sort of consistency - condemning one whilst excusing the other is (again) demonstrative of bias and at this point, as I said,it’s pretty clear that these threads are not really discussions so much as just watching people barf up pro-monarchy propaganda.

I’m angry because I don’t like wasting my time locking horns with zealots.

1. There is no bias or double standards in this case, just fairness and common sense.
2. People who are making excuses/twist the facts for H&M at every turn just look foolish.
3. The anti - monarchy propaganda is blatantly obvious in some cases.
4. Posting is a choice.

[AnnieK]

See when the news black out was broken and there was a danger of the taliban killing him he was brought home but I bet his fellow soldiers were left there to take there chances.

You are absolutely absolutely wet behind the he ears if you think he was put in the line of fire.
And that old do I want killed line is not going to wash with me.

Do not insult me please. I am done with this conversation, I will tale the word of the Royal British Army over someone in TiBB. They confirmed he saw active service on the front line. I really don't care what will wash with you or not.

You said he saw not active service, I told you he did.

That's it for me. Once again proving that a reasonable debate cannot be had without insulting members.

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/17D77/production/_117655679_dailymail22march.jpg

[GoldHeart]

So now Harry's IQ is being insulted ?, i didn't realise there was army experts here. He obviously contributed something if he was there 10 years.

Why does it matter so much if they live in America ?or Africa ?, it's their choice and just because it's Meghan's home DOES NOT mean Harry didn't want to live there aswell. They're a couple , you make compromises .

[thesheriff443]

Do not insult me please. I am done with this conversation, I will tale the word of the Royal British Army over someone in TiBB. They confirmed he saw active service on the front line. I really don't care what will wash with you or not.

You said he saw not active service, I told you he did.

That's it for me. Once again proving that a reasonable debate cannot be had without insulting members.

so now I’m insulting you please your clutching at straws

He saw service just like you can be in the army and cook the meals or drive a druck.

[jet]

Rags are rags.

I don't think anything when it comes to the royals, I just go off their direct statements because I'm not a crazy person who thinks they know the inner workings of a family I'm not part of based on dubious rags with a bone to pick.



Nothing about what I said is BS. You are heavily engaged in strawman arguments and confirmation bias.

A strawman argument is 'an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.' In this case, you're making out that criticising people for not finding fault with this story when they criticised Meghan for a similar story a while ago are somehow saying that Harry and Meghan can say what they want while the royals cannot, something that is false to anyone with basic reading comprehension.

I will continue to point out the flaws in your arguments while they continue to be ever present and fatal to what you are trying to say.

And I will continue to say BS. :hee:

[thesheriff443]

So now Harry's IQ is being insulted ?, i didn't realise there was army experts here. He obviously contributed something if he was there 10 years.

Why does it matter so much if they live in America ?or Africa ?, it's their choice and just because it's Meghan's home DOES NOT mean Harry didn't want to live there aswell. They're a couple , you make compromises .

Exactly it’s Harry that’s made the compromise not Meghan.

[GoldHeart]

I don’t believe he was in any real danger for one minute

:facepalm:

A PRINCE not in any real danger on front line in combat?? , suuree ok . Because the terrorists wouldn't try and kidnap him or anything would they.

[AnnieK]

so now I’m insulting you please your clutching at straws

He saw service just like you can be in the army and cook the meals or drive a druck.

Did you even read the article confirming he faced the same dangers as any soldier? Here's another one....

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1203369/prince-harry-news-afghanistan-army-rather-shaken-royal-family-meghan-markle-spt

[thesheriff443]

:facepalm:

A PRINCE not in any real danger on front line in combat?? , suuree ok . Because the terrorists wouldn't try and kidnap him or anything would they.

Like he was ever put in danger lol
There was a risk assessment without doubt, Harry went in when it was safe to do so.

[arista]

People really need to learn how to separate their assumptions from established facts.


Sure that's goes on alot.

But after the long CBS interview
on ITV1HD we got to understand
the bitterness that Harry and Meghan have.

[thesheriff443]

Did you even read the article confirming he faced the same dangers as any soldier? Here's another one....

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1203369/prince-harry-news-afghanistan-army-rather-shaken-royal-family-meghan-markle-spt

You see all those medals Charles Harry William wear on their chest they are give to them by the queen they are just token medals

Harry was a token soldier nothing more.

[AnnieK]

Like he was ever put in danger lol
There was a risk assessment without doubt, Harry went in when it was safe to do so.

You need to do a bit more reading on his time in. There is so many things you can slag him off about but belittling his time in Iraq and Afghanistan is also belittling the people he served with...some who probably didn't come home or who came home seriously injured.

[AnnieK]

You see all those medals Charles Harry William wear on their chest they are give to them by the queen they are just token medals

Harry was a token soldier nothing more.

You are so wrong about this that it is not worth wasting my time.

You have a good day

[thesheriff443]

Sure that's goes on alot.

But after the long CBS interview
on ITV1HD we got to understand
the bitterness that Harry and Meghan have.

They are being proved to be liars

The queen polity told them they was talking bollox by saying some recollections may vary.

Basically their version of the truth is wrong.

[thesheriff443]

You are so wrong about this that it is not worth wasting my time.

You have a good day

You have a better one

[GoldHeart]

Harry was as much in danger as the other soldiers as they were all front line . But obviously being who he is , there was always that risk aswell with the Taliban using that to their advantage.

A programme was actually made around the scenario of ' what if ' Prince Harry got kidnapped & what would happen etc . It didn't go down well at the time with the military .

[Ammi]

...the Queen isn’t inferring that anyone is ‘lying’, we all know that there are many truths and that they often vary...no one is going to stand up and say...’yes, I’m racist...that would be me, hello there...’...’recollections may vary’ is a version of no comment...

[user104658]

1. There is no bias or double standards in this case, just fairness and common sense.


Never underestimate the Queen, ever! :thumbs2:

...............:idc: I mean it’s barely even worth pointing out, everyone can see you there with your flag and hat jet even the people who agree with you. You’re not hiding it?

[joeysteele]

He did active service, it's incredible his integrity of wanting to be like any other doing so is now being questioned.
I wonder would Prince William if he's so furious at things Prince Harry has decided to do now, would be cheering this character assassination of his Brother's efforts in Afghanistan.

We didn't know he was there until the media broke it, then there was uproar as to his safety.
Because really for terrorists there or elsewhere, thinking they could get a Royal as hostage, would be like all their Christmases coming at once.

On the front line in the military there are no spare parts or hangers on.
He would have to do as much as he was ordered to and the others had to.

If people think the military operate different to that, then they are very sadly mistaken.
Especially so, in an occupied Country scenario.
That was a considered war zone.
Not a peace time scenario.

I had 3 Brothers who all served in the Forces, RAF and the Army, they insist, NO ONE gets any free rides.

How this threads gone from Prince William being rightly upset at a decision his Brother has made, to further questioning the level of Prince Harry's duties on the front line, by now dismissing his contributions there in his time there, is really bad in my view.

I don't believe their rift is as deep as the toxic media would have us believe.
However too, looking at both sides, I'd guess Prince Harry is rightly upset that his Brother, didn't support him and his wife more when they were struggling.

However again, I'd bet easily that Prince William would be much more than furious, at his Brother's service in the armed forces being questioned and dismissively diminished.
Prince William wouldn't in my view be a good Brother if he was to even think of supporting that.

My guess is that on some issues, both will be pretty upset with each other.
Which time will heal or maybe just ease a little.

They have different choices they've made for their lives and family now.
Neither decision is a crime however.
Not at all.
So good luck to both families from me.

[thesheriff443]

...the Queen isn’t inferring that anyone is ‘lying’, we all know that there are many truths and that they often vary...no one is going to stand up and say...’yes, I’m racist...that would be me, hello there...’...’recollections may vary’ is a version of no comment...

It don’t me no comment at all.

Like meghans crap about getting married 3 days before, it’s there version of the truth.

And we know why the racist card was bought up on the back of Black Lives Matter

All adds to them being the victims instead of them running away from responsibility after getting a 32 million pound wedding.

[user104658]

...the Queen isn’t inferring that anyone is ‘lying’, we all know that there are many truths and that they often vary...no one is going to stand up and say...’yes, I’m racist...that would be me, hello there...’...’recollections may vary’ is a version of no comment...


I personally think “recollections may vary” may in this case be a reference to, for one, context (she’s suggesting that it wasn’t meant the way they’ve taken it) and for two... should be taken with the view that she probably was not there herself during this conversation. She’s heard what Harry has said and has asked the accused family member what was said and they’ve given a different version. So she can say “recollections vary” i.e. she has heard different accounts of what was said, but she wasn’t there so isn’t necessarily calling either a liar, just pointing out that she doesn’t know first hand.

[jet]

The Queens statement “Recollections may vary” imo meant “your recollection of events are adjusted to suit your narrative and are not necessarily truthful.” - and it wasn't just referring to the accusation of a racist comment.

[Ammi]

I personally think “recollections may vary” may in this case be a reference to, for one, context (she’s suggesting that it wasn’t meant the way they’ve taken it) and for two... should be taken with the view that she probably was not there herself during this conversation. She’s heard what Harry has said and has asked the accused family member what was said and they’ve given a different version. So she can say “recollections vary” i.e. she has heard different accounts of what was said, but she wasn’t there so isn’t necessarily calling either a liar, just pointing out that she doesn’t know first hand.

...it might also be that it was a comment ‘thrown out there’ and actually not recalled at all, even in any vague way... so it’s very much open to lots of meanings but not being inferred that it’s a lie...

[user104658]

The Queens statement “Recollections may vary” imo meant “your recollection of events are adjusted to suit your narrative and are not necessarily truthful.” - and it wasn't just referring to the accusation of a racist comment.


Everyone’s recollection of events is always skewed towards their own narrative, that’s basic human psychology, so the balanced view would be to assume (if one was not there) that the truth lies somewhere between the two accounts... not that one party is an out and out liar and the other an oracle of truth whose version is beyond question. The Queen is a clever lady, she knows fine well that if she’s hearing two versions, the truth is probably in the murky middle ground (in this specific case,it’s probably that the comments were made “tongue in cheek” and whoever said it wrongly assumed Harry wouldn’t be offended).

Never doubt the Queen’s intelligence jet :Nono:

[jet]

...............:idc: I mean it’s barely even worth pointing out, everyone can see you there with your flag and hat jet even the people who agree with you. You’re not hiding it?

I'm not a flag and hat kind of person TS. :laugh:
I'm much more interested in Royal history through the ages, the current crop are the latest in a long line of intriguing stories and characters.

[jet]

Everyone’s recollection of events is always skewed towards their own narrative, that’s basic human psychology, so the balanced view would be to assume (if one was not there) that the truth lies somewhere between the two accounts... not that one party is an out and out liar and the other an oracle of truth whose version is beyond question. The Queen is a clever lady, she knows fine well that if she’s hearing two versions, the truth is probably in the murky middle ground (in this specific case,it’s probably that the comments were made “tongue in cheek” and whoever said it wrongly assumed Harry wouldn’t be offended).

Never doubt the Queen’s intelligence jet :Nono:

Yes, makes sense.
I did say 'not necessarily truthful'.
Not once in the whole of the 2 hour interview did Meghan or Harry own any fault or take any responsibility whatsoever for the events that unfolded. That says to me that their accounts are, again, 'not necessarily truthful' - in fact, we now know that Meghan in particular (as she was the prime interviewee) told outright lies.

[thesheriff443]

...it might also be that it was a comment ‘thrown out there’ and actually not recalled at all, even in any vague way... so it’s very much open to lots of meanings but not being inferred that it’s a lie...

The queen is a wise old bird and seen everything under the sun in her time on the throne and will know who said what without doubt.

[Ammi]

...there is no ‘without a doubt’ for anyone who didn’t very clearly witness a specific incident/conversation themselves and we don’t know of anyone’s personal recollections ...:laugh:...and even then, there would only ever indeed be their own recollection of it and recollections may vary, she is indeed a person of wisdom to observe that ...that there are many truths, so she’s refraining from commenting further...

[user104658]

The queen is a wise old bird and seen everything under the sun in her time on the throne and will know who said what without doubt.


She’s certainly wise enough to hear “Liz, someone in the family made a questionable comment or joke about the race/colour of Harry’s potential children” and think “Yes that sounds likely”.

I mean come on. Can anyone who knows anything about the royals over the years really have been shocked when they claimed that something was said? I think Oprah massively over-acted her shock if anything. I’d be more surprised if Harry had come out and said “no one ever mentioned it” :umm2:. The only surprise was when he said it wasn’t Philip. 20 years ago he would have been joking about it in public.

[bots]

the concept of william being furious over such a trivial set of circumstances is absurd. Surely people realise this

[Ammi]

She’s certainly wise enough to hear “Liz, someone in the family made a questionable comment or joke about the race/colour of Harry’s potential children” and think “Yes that sounds likely”.

I mean come on. Can anyone who knows anything about the royals over the years really have been shocked when they claimed that something was said? I think Oprah massively over-acted her shock if anything. I’d be more surprised if Harry had come out and said “no one ever mentioned it” :umm2:. The only surprise was when he said it wasn’t Philip. 20 years ago he would have been joking about it in public.

...listening to some of the American body language people interpreting Harry’s words of ‘awkward and a bit shocked’...it’s being more interpreted as ....wow, so it was pretty shocking, then...:laugh:..I mean, it would take a lot to attach awkward and a bit shocked to such a private comment within the family../are some body language interpretations....

[jet]

She’s certainly wise enough to hear “Liz, someone in the family made a questionable comment or joke about the race/colour of Harry’s potential children” and think “Yes that sounds likely”.

I mean come on. Can anyone who knows anything about the royals over the years really have been shocked when they claimed that something was said? I think Oprah massively over-acted her shock if anything. I’d be more surprised if Harry had come out and said “no one ever mentioned it” :umm2:. The only surprise was when he said it wasn’t Philip. 20 years ago he would have been joking about it in public.

Apart from Philip and his off the cuff remarks, what makes you state that any of the senior Royals would be likely to say something racist?

[Marsh.]

or some were he has ever mentioned he wanted to live.

Stop pretending you know these people personally. You don't.

[Marsh.]

The front line is the front line in a war zone. Did you want him shot to prove he has seen active service? I'm sure the other soldiers he served with will tell you that the danger was very real every minute of every day

Yep.
It's the same rubbish that doesn't believe Meghan's mental health struggles because she didn't in fact end up committing suicide. Just sick.

[thesheriff443]

Stop pretending you know these people personally. You don't.

I know the queen knows who said what she delayed the palace reply to find out exactly what was said.

If you don’t like it tough.

[Marsh.]

I know the queen knows who said what she delayed the palace reply to find out exactly what was said.

If you don’t like it tough.

Had no response to what my reply was about so opted to answer a question I didn't ask.

Ok.

[thesheriff443]

Yep.
It's the same rubbish that doesn't believe Meghan's mental health struggles because she didn't in fact end up committing suicide. Just sick.

You clearly ain’t got a single clue about mental health and what is to be suffering from it.

To us the mental health card is disgusting to those that have their lives and their families life’s destroyed by it

She didn’t get help with mental health because she didn’t have any mental issues only a desire to get back to America

[Marsh.]

You clearly ain’t got a single clue about mental health and what is to be suffering from it.

Couldn't be more wrong if you tried. And you're trying very hard.

[Marsh.]

You are not the expert on other people's experiences with mental health issues. No matter how much you value your own importance. Take your sick comments elsewhere. I'm not interested.

[Ammi]

...my own thoughts are that Meghan’s poor mental health and the added anguish it was also causing Harry in his own well-being, were maybe being thought of as ‘a period of adjustment’ type thing by the royal establishment and something that would resolve, given time ...rather than realising how serious the issue was becoming ...and then what it all led to in the stepping back process that they’ve all gone through...

[user104658]

the concept of William being furious over such a trivial set of circumstances is absurd. Surely people realise this

This is true as well - it's a bit of a family rift/squabble... the sort you get in ANY family and the sort the Royals have had many times before. Kings have abdicated, senior Royals have left the country, this stuff happens. I still think in the long run Harry and William's personal relationship will be fine.

[Ammi]

...yeah, I’m totally with that also...hell hath no fury like a tabloid trying to run a hero/villain story...such media created ‘fumes’ trying to rival The Crown in the ratings warzzz....

[jet]

This is true as well - it's a bit of a family rift/squabble... the sort you get in ANY family and the sort the Royals have had many times before. Kings have abdicated, senior Royals have left the country, this stuff happens. I still think in the long run Harry and William's personal relationship will be fine.

Most families don't have members who give interviews watched by millions of people and accuse that high - profile family of cruelty and racism among other personal details. Just a squabble? I think not.

[jet]

....and she very slyly in one sentence tied in the issues of titles and security for Archie as well as the skin colour accusation to make people think they were all due to racism, when they absolutely were not. She is either thick or she thought her fawning audience would be.

[user104658]

Most families don't have members who give interviews watched by millions of people and accuse that high - profile family of cruelty and racism among other personal details. Just a squabble? I think not.

They did not "profile the family of cruelty" they specifically made it very clear that they were talking about "The Institution"/Royal management when they were talking about that side of things. MULTIPLE times they clarified that. I think you'll need to watch the interview again - if you ever actually sat though it - perhaps you didn't, which would explain why you keep making false claims about the content.

Plenty of families will happily air their dirty laundry with all the personal details all around their town/community for people to hear, though. The Royals are used to being in the spotlight of millions so it's not really all that different... it IS just a squabble... the only reason it's big news is because they're so high profile. If your next door neighbour started banging on about how their grandson and his wife had moved abroad because they didn't want to be part of the family business any more, and had made comments about their family being mixed race, and some talk about being cut off/money or whatever... would you be interested? I mean I like gossip but ... snooze? It's just basic family dramas that you hear every day, then you look out the window at Christmas and lo and behold there they are piling out of the car.

[Marsh.]

....and she very slyly in one sentence tied in the issues of titles and security for Archie as well as the skin colour accusation to make people think they were all due to racism, when they absolutely were not. She is either thick or she thought her fawning audience would be.

Lying about what the interview contained is futile. People actually watched it.

[jet]

They did not "profile the family of cruelty" they specifically made it very clear that they were talking about "The Institution"/Royal management when they were talking about that side of things. MULTIPLE times they clarified that. I think you'll need to watch the interview again - if you ever actually sat though it - perhaps you didn't, which would explain why you keep making false claims about the content.



The Queen is the boss of that institution and very much aware of everything that goes on in it. The management answer to her. If they criticize it, they criticize her.
The Queen took away their patronages, the Queen told them they could no longer carry out engagements on her behalf, the Queen forbade them from using their HRH titles. They are furious and bitter and they are damning the institution of which she is the head because they haven't the balls to criticize her directly.

[jet]

Plenty of families will happily air their dirty laundry with all the personal details all around their town/community for people to hear, though. The Royals are used to being in the spotlight of millions so it's not really all that different... it IS just a squabble... the only reason it's big news is because they're so high profile. If your next door neighbour started banging on about how their grandson and his wife had moved abroad because they didn't want to be part of the family business any more, and had made comments about their family being mixed race, and some talk about being cut off/money or whatever... would you be interested? I mean I like gossip but ... snooze? It's just basic family dramas that you hear every day, then you look out the window at Christmas and lo and behold there they are piling out of the car.

Well we are all talking about it, including you, even though you apparently find it snooze...
:shrug:

[Ammi]

...it’s interesting how Charles has described his mother as being ‘detached’ in terms of family relationships...that’s not to say that Anne had a similar perception but it is how perceptions can and do differ within families...and his closer relationship was always with his grandmother, the Queen Mother...she’s the one he’s spoken with most fondness and affection....and it’s appearing very similar with Harry, he speaks most affectionately for his grandmother/grandparents...but he doesn’t so much with Charles, their relationship being a lot more complex, maybe...

...there was such a potential for Harry and William to have such a close relationship with their mum of the type that would probably have not being so ‘typical’ within the Royal family ever previously...but sadly, that was cruelly cut short...

[jet]

Charles was the only one who described his mother as 'detached'. He also had difficult relationships with his father, Diana, Andrew and Edward, who he apparently was jealous of because by the time his mother had the 2 younger siblings, she had more time to devote to them than she had to bond with him as a new Queen touring the Commonwealth.
The only people he really got on with and adored throughout his life were the Queen Mum and Lord Mountbatten.

[user104658]

Charles was the only one who described his mother as 'detached'. He also had difficult relationships with his father, Diana, Andrew and Edward, who he apparently was jealous of because by the time his mother had the 2 younger siblings, she had more time to devote to them than she had to bond with him as a new Queen touring the Commonwealth.
The only people he really got on with and adored throughout his life were the Queen Mum and Lord Mountbatten.

I'm baffled at how you can be so aware of this, and yet question why Harry has such an understandably difficult relationship with his dad. Again they are clearly a troubled family as many families are - how can you blame Harry for these relationships souring? How can you blame him for looking back over the past two generations, and wanting something different for his own family?

And I suppose, most relevantly to all of this ... ... how can you think that the issue is all some creation of Meghan? I mean taking all emotion and bias out of it and looking at it purely in an academic/historical account context, it's just PLAIN INNACURATE. Harry's issues with the family stretch back at the very least to his mother's death and, as you just pointed out yourself, are actually rooted even further back in Charles' relationships with his own parents.

How can you on the one hand be so aware of that, but on the other insist... "It's Meghan". Who he's known for a handful of years.

[jet]

I'm baffled at how you can be so aware of this, and yet question why Harry has such an understandably difficult relationship with his dad. Again they are clearly a troubled family as many families are - how can you blame Harry for these relationships souring? How can you blame him for looking back over the past two generations, and wanting something different for his own family?

And I suppose, most relevantly to all of this ... ... how can you think that the issue is all some creation of Meghan? I mean taking all emotion and bias out of it and looking at it purely in an academic/historical account context, it's just PLAIN INNACURATE. Harry's issues with the family stretch back at the very least to his mother's death and, as you just pointed out yourself, are actually rooted even further back in Charles' relationships with his own parents.

How can you on the one hand be so aware of that, but on the other insist... "It's Meghan". Who he's known for a handful of years.


Where have you gotten all this from?
I have never said Harry doesn’t have a troubled relationship with his Dad? Or that I blamed him for wanting something different. Never.
I have always thought Harry would settle in Africa, which he loves, when he wed.
It is HOW he went about the leaving and his out of character disrespectful and disloyal behaviour towards the Queen and his family since that is the problem for me, and obviously countless others. This is where Meghan’s influence on him is showing.

Harry was very close to William and Kate, his grandmother and his grandfather, to Beatrice and Eugenie. Very close. He also had many close and loyal friends.

Meghan has a history of broken and discarded relationships - old friends, none of her exes remain friends, estranged from her fathers family, estranged from her mothers family - there is a problem when only one family member it at your wedding among countless celebs you don't even know.
Now there are problems with the Royal family. If people don't see a pattern here....it can't realistically be everybody else's fault, can it?
Meghan, broken relationships and trouble seem to go together...

[Ammi]

...these are the circles it always goes around and around in, though...it’s always being said how Meghan wasn’t someone who was known before she met Harry ...she was an ‘unknown actress’../ a Z lister or whatever except for those who were Suits fans....but in a few short years, so much ‘knowledge’ on Meghan and her family etc...because those things are what the media tell us...and added to by some of her family members for financial/personal gain...and this is the same media sources that
have also told us that she’s almost straight outta Compton and that her mother is a dreadlocked African-American lady from the wrong side of the tracks ...seriously, so if a pattern can’t be seen there as well...a type of media pattern that is very familiar when the media show their disapproval of someone and want to create quite the ‘villain’...

[jet]

Meghan is certainly a chip off the old block and that of her half sister too...doing tell all's for financial and personal gain.
The only difference is Meghan started the ball rolling by refusing her father any help when he was being harassed daily by paps and not bringing Harry to meet him....and not inviting her relatives to the wedding early on instead of celebs who would be useful to her in the future. They were publicly humiliated and lashed out...and so it went on.

[thesheriff443]

You are not the expert on other people's experiences with mental health issues. No matter how much you value your own importance. Take your sick comments elsewhere. I'm not interested.

I’m not interested what you think so take yourself off

[jet]

There are racists in every country, the UK is way better than many. A few racist remarks, disgusting as they are, does not constitute a pattern, especially when those same once - off remarks are often repeated as there are not many other examples to tell of in the press.

[Marsh.]

Oh well that's alright then. If it's the "same" remarks repeated and they're not inventing new ones then it's not racism.

Racism is measured on the creativity of the racist, obviously.

[Ammi]

...I think as well that any ‘higher ground’ stance in terms of racism/racist comments etc directed at Meghan and her heritage from within the Royal establishment should have been stated then in defence of her against the media...that was their time to speak of their abhorrence and intolerance to racial prejudice to one of their own’, surely...

[Marsh.]

...I think as well that any ‘higher ground’ stance in terms of racism/racist comments etc directed at Meghan and her heritage from within the Royal establishment should have been stated then in defence of her against the media...that was their time to speak of their abhorrence and intolerance to racial prejudice to one of their own’, surely...

100%

[user104658]

...I think as well that any ‘higher ground’ stance in terms of racism/racist comments etc directed at Meghan and her heritage from within the Royal establishment should have been stated then in defence of her against the media...that was their time to speak of their abhorrence and intolerance to racial prejudice to one of their own’, surely...

Yes I think at the very least, it's impossible to argue that the Palace didn't have a "far too muted" response when the first questionable stories started cropping up in the press. As Meghan said in the interview, they basically told her that she didn't have to speak up for herself because she would be protected and that would be done officially on her behalf... and then it clearly just wasn't. We know for a fact that it wasn't... barely anything official came from within the Royal camp when the dodgy headlines started. The "Never Complain" part of the status quo, I suppose. But nonetheless they made false promises there.

[jet]

There was a very firm statement indeed from the Palace regarding the racism, through Harry, her fiancee. It was said at the time he was so angry he wanted to tackle it head on himself. Nothing is put out without the Queens consent when working royals.

[Tom4784]

People need to learn to accept they can’t be right all the time.

Then prove me wrong instead of crying about how most of the time, I have the right about it. This is a debate, stop whining about losing and actually try for once.

[DouglasS]

I hope those claimed to have been bullied by Meghan and if true, that they are doing okay and that their mental health is also discussed as well as Meghans.

My friends neighbour met her as a Suits meet and greet and said she wasn’t that warm, in comparison to other co stars anyway

[Tom4784]

Do you really think Harry actually shot any one? Or saw live combat?

They was never going to let a royal get killed they let Harry play in the army
If you really want to look closer at it he was probably never had the iq to even be an officer and from memory her struggled to get through army training.

Charles is one of the most educated royals and can fly planes helicopters and was proper officer material.

He was on the front line, it's an established fact. You can try to undermine that all you want because of your own overwhelming biases towards him but you can't change the facts. To insult him and act like a soldier's not really doing anything if they aren't actively killing people or fulfilling your limited view of what a soldier is and does, shows how shallow your respect for the army is, so self serving.

It's easy to judge someone from the safety of your armchair when it's clear you have no idea what an active battlefield is like.

I don’t believe he was in any real danger for one minute

Your feelings do not overwrite the facts, Sheriff.

[Livia]

Trying to pretend some people on here know more about it than others is silly. No one knows... None of us.

[Tom4784]

You clearly ain’t got a single clue about mental health and what is to be suffering from it.

To us the mental health card is disgusting to those that have their lives and their families life’s destroyed by it

She didn’t get help with mental health because she didn’t have any mental issues only a desire to get back to America

Just like with the army, you have no idea about anyone else's mental health struggles and the only reason you are rubbishing Meghan's is because of who she is which is sick.

Hear this, Sheriff. You do not know these people, you do not know what's in the mind of your loved ones, never mind what's going on in the head of a stranger that you only think you know because you take tabloid gossip as gospel.

[jet]

I hope those claimed to have been bullied by Meghan and if true, that they are doing okay and that their mental health is also discussed as well as Meghans.

My friends neighbour met her as a Suits meet and greet and said she wasn’t that warm, in comparison to other co stars anyway

When the accusations of Meghan's bullying came out and how the women were still traumatized, for some it was all 'Huh, what timing to bring this out now'!
They didn't give a hoot about those women.

Yet when Meghan says she suffered, even if the thing you didn't believe was that she was refused help, it was "You don't believe her! You are stopping other people from seeking help by your attitude!'
The hypocrisy and false 'caring' is laughable.

[Tom4784]

Jet, would you 'give a hoot' about these women if they were saying the Royal Family bullied them? Or, like with Meghan's mental health struggles, would you rubbish them because it doesn't go along with the narrative you so desperately want to pretend is true?

It's just another strawman with a good dose of whataboutery, you ultimately need everything bad about Meghan to be true, it's not the same for everyone else since we don't have that same level of hatred motivating us. If Meghan did bully these women, then I hope the truth comes to light, but it's not going to change a thing about the institution's mistakes or the fact they covered this up until it could be weaponised.

[Ammi]

Trying to pretend some people on here know more about it than others is silly. No one knows... None of us.

...and perfectly said...

[jet]

Jet, would you 'give a hoot' about these women if they were saying the Royal Family bullied them? Or, like with Meghan's mental health struggles, would you rubbish them because it doesn't go along with the narrative you so desperately want to pretend is true?

It's just another strawman with a good dose of whataboutery, you ultimately need everything bad about Meghan to be true, it's not the same for everyone else since we don't have that same level of hatred motivating us. If Meghan did bully these women, then I hope the truth comes to light, but it's not going to change a thing about the institution's mistakes or the fact they covered this up until it could be weaponised.

I abhor bullying of any kind, irrespective of who is doing it.
Your first reaction to the women's accusations was 'what timing'! - nothing about believing them because they said so, which is what you insisted everyone should do about Meghan's claims - you accused me of damaging others mental health when I said I didn't believe she was refused help.
You had 2 totally different reactions.
If you think that the Royals were using them as weapons, why do you not think Meghan was using her claims as weapons too?
See, it works both ways.

[jet]

Jet, would you 'give a hoot' about these women if they were saying the Royal Family bullied them? Or, like with Meghan's mental health struggles, would you rubbish them because it doesn't go along with the narrative you so desperately want to pretend is true?

It's just another strawman with a good dose of whataboutery, you ultimately need everything bad about Meghan to be true, it's not the same for everyone else since we don't have that same level of hatred motivating us. If Meghan did bully these women, then I hope the truth comes to light, but it's not going to change a thing about the institution's mistakes or the fact they covered this up until it could be weaponised.

That is not a fact. The women could have come forward themselves to insist the bullying was brought out in the open when they knew the interview was going to be aired to protect themselves. They didn't know what she was going to say about those who worked for her. It is perfectly possible, so your fact isn't a fact at all. We just don't know. :shrug:

[Tom4784]

Once again, you're completely wrong and reliant on another strawman. My first reaction was questioning the timing of it, because it was strange, like people on both sides pointed out. I never doubted their experiences, my scorn was mainly poured on the institution for weaponising it and covering it up when it happened, like I said in the post you quoted but apparently did not read.

You need to stop relying on lies and strawmen, Jet. You're trying to twist this once again to throw it back at me and once again, you've failed because you ALWAYS ignore the context. You literally poured doubt on Meghan saying she felt suicidal, that's not equivalent to me being suspect of the institution.

You won't ever get far in a debate if you keep trying to fight the facts.

[Tom4784]

That is not a fact. The women could have come forward themselves to insist the bullying was brought out in the open when they knew the interview was going to be aired to protect themselves. They didn't know what she was going to say about those who worked for her. It is perfectly possible, so your fact isn't a fact at all. We just don't know. :shrug:

This happened in 2018, apparently, and it was reported and nothing was done about it until the institution acknowledged it in the wake of the Oprah interview, what else would you call that but a coverup and subsequent weaponization by the institution? It's pretty clear.

[jet]

Once again, you're completely wrong and reliant on another strawman. My first reaction was questioning the timing of it, because it was strange, like people on both sides pointed out. I never doubted their experiences, my scorn was mainly poured on the institution for weaponising it and covering it up when it happened, like I said in the post you quoted but apparently did not read.

You need to stop relying on lies and strawmen, Jet. You're trying to twist this once again to throw it back at me and once again, you've failed because you ALWAYS ignore the context. You literally poured doubt on Meghan saying she felt suicidal, that's not equivalent to me being suspect of the institution.

You won't ever get far in a debate if you keep trying to fight the facts.

You are wrong. Recollections very much vary.

[jet]

This happened in 2018, apparently, and it was reported and nothing was done about it until the institution acknowledged it in the wake of the Oprah interview, what else would you call that but a coverup and subsequent weaponization by the institution? It's pretty clear.

They wrongly covered it up to protect Meghan, and you ignored the part where I said the women could have insisted it be known prior to the interview. None of us know what happened so it is not clear.

[Tom4784]

You are wrong. Recollections very much vary.

Okay, in a debate when you refute something, you have to say why. I refuted what you said with an argument. You just said 'You're wrong xx.' You've made a statement, now back it up with an argument. Come on, put in the minimum effort.

[Tom4784]

They wrongly covered it up to protect Meghan, and you ignored the part where I said the women could have insisted it be known prior to the interview. None of us know what happened so it is not clear.

I didn't ignore it, wrong again, as I said before in the post you responded to, but apparently didn't read properly. I never ignored their experiences or doubted them, it's just that it doesn't change anything I've said if it's true.

Your argument hinges on the fact that Meghan Markle is responsible for everything bad in the world. My stake in this argument has always been about disliking the media's behaviour, which is why i can view things objectively. It doesn't really change my argument if Meghan Markle is an arsehole or not, but your argument cannot afford for her to be seen as a victim in any way.

[Glenn.]

Wow can't believe William and Kate deliberately leaked this information to Royal insiders and told them to give it to the press to be published? So disrespectful of the family and their privacy, they could really just have told this to Harry and Meghan in private. So disrespectful of the Queen at a time when her husband is just out of hospital. Someone really needs to have words with William about the information he arranges to be given to the press via others.

Quoting this again because

[jet]

Okay, in a debate when you refute something, you have to say why. I refuted what you said with an argument. You just said 'You're wrong xx.' You've made a statement, now back it up with an argument. Come on, put in the minimum effort.

I already did. My my response said it all I wanted to say. Short and telling.

[Tom4784]

I already did. My my response said it all I wanted to say. Short and telling.

You didn't say anything, a statement is worthless in a debate without any kind of logic or reasoning behind it.

[jet]

I didn't ignore it, wrong again, as I said before in the post you responded to, but apparently didn't read properly. I never ignored their experiences or doubted them, it's just that it doesn't change anything I've said if it's true.

Your argument hinges on the fact that Meghan Markle is responsible for everything bad in the world. My stake in this argument has always been about disliking the media's behaviour, which is why i can view things objectively. It doesn't really change my argument if Meghan Markle is an arsehole or not, but your argument cannot afford for her to be seen as a victim in any way.

Gross exaggerations put me off debating with those that use them....and you are far from objective imo.

[jet]

You didn't say anything, a statement is worthless in a debate without any kind of logic or reasoning behind it.

I'd rather try to reason with our cat.

[Tom4784]

Gross exaggerations put me off debating with those that use them....and you are far from objective imo.

Again, statements and accusations with no explanation, arguments or logic behind them. Not good enough. If you don't think I'm objective, then say why, explain your point of view. This is too easy for me, otherwise.

[Tom4784]

I'd rather try to reason with our cat.

Then perhaps a debate thread isn't for you, if you don't actually want to debate the issue at hand.

[jet]

Again, statements and accusations with no explanation, arguments or logic behind them. Not good enough. If you don't think I'm objective, then say why, explain your point of view. This is too easy for me, otherwise.

I don't debate on demand, not everyone wants to engage with you the way you insist they must. Sometimes a few words says it all, and I've spoken.

[Tom4784]

I don't debate on demand, not everyone wants to engage with you the way you insist they must. Sometimes a few words says it all, and I've spoken.

Then, again, maybe a debate thread isn't the right thread for you.

[jet]

Then, again, maybe a debate thread isn't the right thread for you.

It depends on who I am debating with, and whether it is enjoyable, interesting, or just torture....

[Marsh.]

....or you don't have anything to say so flower it up in "I don't want to say" which is embarrassing.

[rusticgal]

When the accusations of Meghan's bullying came out and how the women were still traumatized, for some it was all 'Huh, what timing to bring this out now'!
They didn't give a hoot about those women.

Yet when Meghan says she suffered, even if the thing you didn't believe was that she was refused help, it was "You don't believe her! You are stopping other people from seeking help by your attitude!'
The hypocrisy and false 'caring' is laughable.


You are so right Jet....not ONE person gave them any sympathy on their mental health.

[Marsh.]

When the accusations of Meghan's bullying came out and how the women were still traumatized, for some it was all 'Huh, what timing to bring this out now'!
They didn't give a hoot about those women.


Another blatant lie. The criticism was aimed at the Palace's timing of their investigation into said allegations. They'd had YEARS to "investigate". The allegations were not anything new at that point.

[user104658]

You are so right Jet....not ONE person gave them any sympathy on their mental health.

Completely overlooking the fact that they reported it and it was brushed under the carpet, not by Harry and Meghan but by the people who they complained to and who were responsible for dealing with it... do you not think those people have some responsibility for it being so "traumatic"?

[thesheriff443]

Just like with the army, you have no idea about anyone else's mental health struggles and the only reason you are rubbishing Meghan's is because of who she is which is sick.

Hear this, Sheriff. You do not know these people, you do not know what's in the mind of your loved ones, never mind what's going on in the head of a stranger that you only think you know because you take tabloid gossip as gospel.

Stop preaching, I can post what I like.

[AnnieK]

Completely overlooking the fact that they reported it and it was brushed under the carpet, not by Harry and Meghan but by the people who they complained to and who were responsible for dealing with it... do you not think those people have some responsibility for it being so "traumatic"?

Exactly the point I made. I was very sympathetic to the ladies actually, it doesn't fit the current narrative but I said the Palace had failed in their duty of care to their employees which includes their mental health.

[arista]

You didn't say anything, a statement is worthless in a debate without any kind of logic or reasoning behind it.


Dezzy you are better than this.

[arista]

My own Warning from the first post
in order to try to keep the thread alive

On this new thread
there is no need to attack posters for their views/

Attack Meghan/Harry or William
I say.

[Ammi]

Exactly the point I made. I was very sympathetic to the ladies actually, it doesn't fit the current narrative but I said the Palace had failed in their duty of care to their employees which includes their mental health.

...I believe that was the general thing said, that the Royal establishment had failed in their care of both Meghan and the Royal staff if it’s something that the investigation proves to have truth in it..the Royal establishment are really not looking great atm in any aspect of their care...but there is ‘fury’ at anything negative against them...

[jet]

I also said they were wrong in covering it up. Many times. It was said it was done to protect Meghan's reputation. Non disclosure agreements etc. But once again, that is what is being highlighted most, as happened originally as well.

Its as if accusations of Meghan bullying these women to the point that they were driven out of their jobs doesn't matter - look away! look at what the palace did!!

[Jordan.]

of course Meghan is at the core of all the palaces failings, who knew a newcomer would have such influence.

[Liam-]

If a random American actress could weasel her way into the family and single handedly bring the monarchy to its knees, like people claim she has done, then I’m sorry to break it to you pals, but that would mean it wasn’t very strong in the first place

[Glenn.]

If a random American actress could weasel her way into the family and single handedly bring the monarchy to its knees, like people claim she has done, then I’m sorry to break it to you pals, but that would mean it wasn’t very strong in the first place

:clap1:

[Ammi]

...no it’s about an investigation not having taking place yet, which should have taken place 3 yrs ago by an outside party...let’s not make our own narratives beyond that, the tabloid media do very well on their own in inventing their own stories to fit what they think they are...

[AnnieK]

I also said they were wrong in covering it up. Many times. It was said it was done to protect Meghan's reputation. Non disclosure agreements etc. But once again, that is what is being highlighted most, as happened originally as well.

Its as if accusations of Meghan bullying these women to the point that they were driven out of their jobs doesn't matter - look away! look at what the palace did!!

That's not what people said. I, at the time, said that bullying should not be tolerated and certainly not swept under the carpet. You said at the time it was covered up because Harry begged them too, as his mental state was quite fragile, which actually lends itself to what was said in the Oprah interview.

You have changed narrative though and said that no one worried about the ladies mental health and that is not true, I and others did say about the lack of care they received. At the moment we know that to be true, until the investigation is complete we are unaware about what, if any, bullying happened as it was not investigated.

[rusticgal]

Completely overlooking the fact that they reported it and it was brushed under the carpet, not by Harry and Meghan but by the people who they complained to and who were responsible for dealing with it... do you not think those people have some responsibility for it being so "traumatic"?

I agree they should have dealt with it...they brushed it under the carpet it seems to avoid putting Meghan in a bad light.
The point was that the righteous people on here that think its despicable to doubt Meghans mental health showed no sympathy for Meghans accusers and focused more on the 'timing' of the complaint. :shrug:

[Beso]

You just couldnt have a conversation with harry anymore cause you would be fearful of the slithering snake running off to the press with the latest bit of gossip to keep his sorry state and his pitiful yearning for tv fame in the limelight.

Block him willie.

[Glenn.]

You just couldnt have a conversation with harry anymore cause you would be fearful of the slithering snake running off to the press with the latest bit of gossip to keep his sorry state and his pitiful yearning for tv fame in the limelight.

Block him willie.

Wills friends are okay to do it though yes?

[rusticgal]

Stop preaching, I can post what I like.


You can...just like the people that defend her to the hilt but dont know her either.
Some people just cannot grasp the understand debate is based on OPINION..:laugh:

[user104658]

I also said they were wrong in covering it up. Many times. It was said it was done to protect Meghan's reputation. Non disclosure agreements etc. But once again, that is what is being highlighted most, as happened originally as well.

Hmmm nonono but that doesn't stack up under a little scrutiny, does it. They kept it under wraps while Meghan was a representative of the Royal Family... now that she is no longer considered such, it's a free-for-all on that information. Thus, it was covered up to protect the reputation of the active Royal Family and Meghan's reputation outside of that is of little concern. I don't see how there's an argument to the contrary there.

Its as if accusations of Meghan bullying these women to the point that they were driven out of their jobs doesn't matter - look away! look at what the palace did!!

It does matter but it's not entirely irrelevant to the discussion; Meghan being hard on staff is bad, it doesn't reflect well on her, but it has literally nothing to do with anything they've said about the family or their time as Senior Royals. It is the definition of ad hominem; trying to argue that their allegations can't be accurate "because she bad person look". It absolutely should be looked into - but it should have been looked into at the time.

[jet]

If a random American actress could weasel her way into the family and single handedly bring the monarchy to its knees, like people claim she has done, then I’m sorry to break it to you pals, but that would mean it wasn’t very strong in the first place

She's hardly going to do any lasting damage to the monarchy, not a chance. :hehe:
A not very successful actress who wanted everything done her way and flounced off in a major strop when it became obvious that 'what Meghan wants Meghan gets' was only heeded by Harry....and she's still eaten up with bitterness or she would never had done such an interview. The more she goes on about how bad they were to her, the more people will turn away.

I don't know how any future businesses working with her could ever trust her not to damn them in public if they don't tow her line. Poison.

[Glenn.]

She's hardly going to do any lasting damage to the monarchy, not a chance. :hehe:
A not very successful actress who wanted everything done her way and flounced off in a major strop when it became obvious that 'what Meghan wants Meghan gets' was only heeded by Harry....and she's still eaten up with bitterness or she would never had done such an interview. The more she goes on about how bad they were to her, the more people will turn away.

I don't know how any future businesses working with her could ever trust her not to damn them in public if they don't tow her line. Poison.

She must be if she’s managed to manipulate this entire situation from the start like you claim she has.

[jet]

That's not what people said. I, at the time, said that bullying should not be tolerated and certainly not swept under the carpet. You said at the time it was covered up because Harry begged them too, as his mental state was quite fragile, which actually lends itself to what was said in the Oprah interview.

You have changed narrative though and said that no one worried about the ladies mental health and that is not true, I and others did say about the lack of care they received. At the moment we know that to be true, until the investigation is complete we are unaware about what, if any, bullying happened as it was not investigated.

I wasn't referring to you Annie, I was referring to those who focused on the cover up and gave no thought to the women concerned - and it DID happen.

[Jordan.]

Meghan was reportedly making $50,000 for every episode of the series, and had an annual salary of roughly $450,000.

"not very successful" - jet

[Ammi]

I wasn't referring to you Annie, I was referring to those who focused on the cover up and gave no thought to the women concerned - and it DID happen.

.... most people on the forum to my recollection showed huge concern for the duty of care to both a Royal family member and to staff members so I’ll presume that you’re referring to social media comments or such like...because that wasn’t the vein on here...the Royal family showed great neglect to not have the accusations investigated fully at the time....

[Glenn.]

I wasn't referring to you Annie, I was referring to those who focused on the cover up and gave no thought to the women concerned - and it DID happen.

You don’t know it happened. It hasn’t been investigated yet.

[jet]

Meghan was reportedly making $50,000 for every episode of the series, and had an annual salary of roughly $450,000.

"not very successful" - jet

She strived for years to get a decent part, and was in her 30's before she got there - and Suits was finishing after the next series anyway. That kind of money is nothing compared to what well established actors get.
Anyone who didn't watch Suits had never heard of her and probably wouldn't have after she left either - apparently she was a one trick pony. Never watched it myself, hadn't even heard of it. :shrug:

[Glenn.]

She strived for years to get a decent part, and was in her 30's before she got there - and Suits was finishing after the next series anyway. That kind of money is nothing compared to what well established actors get.
Anyone who didn't watch Suits had never heard of her and probably wouldn't have after she left either - apparently she was a one trick pony. Never watched it myself, hadn't even heard of it. :shrug:

You should watch it. It’s great. You won’t enjoy it though because you’re conditioned to hate Meghan.

[joeysteele]

I watched SUITS, I enjoyed it and thought she was really good in it actually, that's only my view of course.

[rusticgal]

...I believe that was the general thing said, that the Royal establishment had failed in their care of both Meghan and the Royal staff if it’s something that the investigation proves to have truth in it..the Royal establishment are really not looking great atm in any aspect of their care...but there is ‘fury’ at anything negative against them...


There is no 'fury' Ammi....People that like the Royal Family may just feel more protective over them because they have been publicly accused of some serious issues for the world to see.
They responded and said they would sort this out privately...but Meghan put pay to that by disclosing the nature of a private conversation albeit no details...but creating a lack of trust.
Now I am reading that there is about another 90mins of unseen footage of this interview 'waiting' to be aired. Why would Harry put his family through this. Its like they are on a power trip with intent to hurt and shame. They have moved away...in their 'Happy' place unyet they seem to want some sort of revenge..

[rusticgal]

If a random American actress could weasel her way into the family and single handedly bring the monarchy to its knees, like people claim she has done, then I’m sorry to break it to you pals, but that would mean it wasn’t very strong in the first place


A two bit actress will not bring the palace to its knees...:joker:

[jet]

.... most people on the forum to my recollection showed huge concern for the duty of care to both a Royal family member and to staff members so I’ll presume that you’re referring to social media comments or such like...because that wasn’t the vein on here...the Royal family showed great neglect to not have the accusations investigated fully at the time....

Some focused much more on the timing rather than the accusations of bullying, to my recollection, and not on social media, I've said many times I don't read much social media.
I have also said that they were wrong not to investigate it at the time, I repeated that up thread again.

[rusticgal]

She's hardly going to do any lasting damage to the monarchy, not a chance. :hehe:
A not very successful actress who wanted everything done her way and flounced off in a major strop when it became obvious that 'what Meghan wants Meghan gets' was only heeded by Harry....and she's still eaten up with bitterness or she would never had done such an interview. The more she goes on about how bad they were to her, the more people will turn away.

I don't know how any future businesses working with her could ever trust her not to damn them in public if they don't tow her line. Poison.


:clap2:

[Ammi]

There is no 'fury' Ammi....People that like the Royal Family may just feel more protective over them because they have been publicly accused of some serious issues for the world to see.
They responded and said they would sort this out privately...but Meghan put pay to that by disclosing the nature of a private conversation albeit no details...but creating a lack of trust.
Now I am reading that there is about another 90mins of unseen footage of this interview 'waiting' to be aired. Why would Harry put his family through this. Its like they are on a power trip with intent to hurt and shame. They have moved away...in their 'Happy' place unyet they seem to want some sort of revenge..

...yeah, I totally doubt that there was any ‘fury’ Rusti, as indicated by the ‘furious’ media headline... of which shows no inclination of concern for any family distances...

[Beso]

Wills friends are okay to do it though yes?

Dunno?

If I was him they wouldn't be my friends anymore...which I can only assume aren't anymore. Nor would I be calling harry my brother.

[Ammi]

Some focused much more on the timing rather than the accusations of bullying, to my recollection, and not on social media, I've said many times I don't read much social media.
I have also said that they were wrong not to investigate it at the time, I repeated that up thread again.

...that’s not correct at all, though... because the timing was mentioned as being 3yrs later and right before the Oprah show...(...and that timing was commented on and echoed again and again by all TV/news media as well...)...it doesn’t change that the focus was firmly on a lack of care shown by the Royal family for both Meghan and Royal staff, if allegations were true..it’s disingenuous to state it as being the main focus and that any concern for alleged bullying was disregarded in favour of that aspect...

[jet]

There is no 'fury' Ammi....People that like the Royal Family may just feel more protective over them because they have been publicly accused of some serious issues for the world to see.
They responded and said they would sort this out privately...but Meghan put pay to that by disclosing the nature of a private conversation albeit no details...but creating a lack of trust.
Now I am reading that there is about another 90mins of unseen footage of this interview 'waiting' to be aired. Why would Harry put his family through this. Its like they are on a power trip with intent to hurt and shame. They have moved away...in their 'Happy' place unyet they seem to want some sort of revenge..

Yes, seen that about the 'waiting' unseen footage. It's tantamount to blackmail now - the royals better not defend themselves by refuting what we said, or else we'll spill more!
She's a dirty little player and more people will wise up to her tactics and eventually want nothing to do with her in her new life if she takes that path. Who would trust her?

[Liam-]

A two bit actress will not bring the palace to its knees...:joker:

A two-bit actress that has apparently hoodwinked the oldest monarchy and millions of people across the country though, which one is it?

[jet]

...that’s not correct at all, though... because the timing was mentioned as being 3yrs later and right before the Oprah show...(...and that timing was commented on and echoed again and again by all TV/news media as well...)...it doesn’t change that the focus was firmly on a lack of care shown by the Royal family for both Meghan and Royal staff, if allegations were true..it’s disingenuous to state it as being the main focus and that any concern for alleged bullying was disregarded in favour of that aspect...

As I said up thread to Dezzy, and having to repeat:

The women could have come forward themselves to insist the bullying was brought out in the open when they knew the interview was going to be aired to protect themselves. They didn't know what she was going to say about those who worked for her. It is perfectly possible, so your fact isn't a fact at all. We just don't know. :shrug:

....and, as I said before also, when the bullying news came out, some here focused on the timing, as in "How convenient, just before the interview" as a diversion from the women's claims of being bullied by Meghan. Fact.

[jet]

A two-bit actress that has apparently hoodwinked the oldest monarchy and millions of people across the country though, which one is it?

It's her devoted fans she has hoodwinked, not her detractors or the monarchy. :laugh:
She plays on the 'victim' mentality of the emotionally vulnerable who relate to her in some cases.

[Ammi]

As I said up thread to Dezzy, and having to repeat:

The women could have come forward themselves to insist the bullying was brought out in the open when they knew the interview was going to be aired to protect themselves. They didn't know what she was going to say about those who worked for her. It is perfectly possible, so your fact isn't a fact at all. We just don't know. :shrug:

....and, as I said before also, when the bullying news came out, some here focused on the timing, as in "How convenient, just before the interview" as a diversion from the women's claims of being bullied by Meghan. Fact.


...I’m pretty sure that at least one email was sent at the time informing of the concerns and that’s when it should have been fully investigated by third parties....I don’t have time to look up the email but I’m thinking it’s there and I read it at the time...and no, the focus wasn’t on the timing, the timing was mentioned though because that was part of the news, that as I say...all media and TV discussions were also mentioning the timing and questioning it...it’s entirely possible that TV seemed to ‘prioritise it’ but that wasn’t done on here...and if that’s the case with TV media, then i would doubt it would be to divert either...why would they do that, the whole focus for them was anticipating the interview, mostly...

...that it was mentioned here in the entire context that it was reported, of course...fact...it wouldn’t make sense to just discuss part of the story...but that it was more the focus, no...a manipulation of fact which is ironic considering what Meghan is often accused of...

[rusticgal]

Yes, seen that about the 'waiting' unseen footage. It's tantamount to blackmail now - the royals better not defend themselves by refuting what we said, or else we'll spill more!
She's a dirty little player and more people will wise up to her tactics and eventually want nothing to do with her in her new life if she takes that path. Who would trust her?


It is tantamount to Blackmail...otherwise surely if the rest was intended to be shown originally they would have done it in 2 parts :shrug:....

Its quite sickening actually..

[rusticgal]

A two-bit actress that has apparently hoodwinked the oldest monarchy and millions of people across the country though, which one is it?


Shes a two-bit actress and liar which is why the majority in this country have seen right through her and her popularity has plummeted :laugh:
She has not hoodwinked the Monarchy...they were so focused on Harry being happy I think they just trusted him.

[jet]

...I’m pretty sure that at least one email was sent at the time informing of the concerns and that’s when it should have been fully investigated by third parties....I don’t have time to look up the email but I’m thinking it’s there and I read it at the time...and no, the focus wasn’t on the timing, the timing was mentioned though because that was part of the news, that as I say...all media and TV discussions were also mentioning the timing and questioning it...it’s entirely possible that TV seemed to ‘prioritise it’ but that wasn’t done on here...and if that’s the case with TV media, then i would doubt it would be to divert either...why would they do that, the whole focus for them was anticipating the interview, mostly...

...that it was mentioned here in the entire context that it was reported, of course...fact...it wouldn’t make sense to just discuss part of the story...but that it was more the focus, no...a manipulation of fact which is ironic considering what Meghan is often accused of...

I think you aren't getting what i'm saying and I don't know what emails or TV have to do with what I was saying happened on here and your post is confusing to me so I'll leave it there.

[Liam-]

Shes a two-bit actress and liar which is why the majority in this country have seen right through her and her popularity has plummeted :laugh:
She has not hoodwinked the Monarchy...they were so focused on Harry being happy I think they just trusted him.

Okay then :joker:

[Ammi]

I think you aren't getting what i'm saying and I don't know what emails or TV have to do with what I was saying happened on here and your post is confusing to me so I'll leave it there.

....I have to go so I’ll just quickly post this which isn’t ideal but....

On 2 March, an email sent by one of Harry and Meghan’s aides in October 2018 was leaked to The Times newspaper, suggesting Meghan had behaved unacceptably towards Kensington Palace staff.

The couple had married in the May of that year and had been living with Prince William and Kate Middleton at the time.

The leaked email alleges that Markle mistreated two assistants, which left them feeling forced to leave their jobs - the report added that others felt “humiliated” by the Duchess.


...the email informing the palace of worrying behaviour to some Royal staff was sent by an Aide 3yrs ago but only ‘leaked’ just before the Oprah interview...the ‘timing of the leak’ was part of the story’s context as well as discussed widely by all media...not just the email content, itself...but the whole thing of timing....was that reflected in discussions here, most definitely, of course it was...entire context of stories generally are or try to be...but it didn’t become the focus, as suggested and other aspects dismissed ...there was wide ranging concern expressed that there had been a negligence of care to those staff, from what the story was giving us...it’s a manipulation of fact to say that the concern was of the timing was the main focus, which it very much wasn’t....

[rusticgal]

Okay then




:thumbs:

[Marsh.]

of course Meghan is at the core of all the palaces failings, who knew a newcomer would have such influence.

Omg Queen of Manipulation

[Marsh.]

We've really moved onto "She hit her 30s before reaching the peak in her career"? As an insult?

:laugh2:

Considering the vast majority of actors NEVER make it, she stays winning.

[jet]

....I have to go so I’ll just quickly post this which isn’t ideal but....

On 2 March, an email sent by one of Harry and Meghan’s aides in October 2018 was leaked to The Times newspaper, suggesting Meghan had behaved unacceptably towards Kensington Palace staff.

The couple had married in the May of that year and had been living with Prince William and Kate Middleton at the time.

The leaked email alleges that Markle mistreated two assistants, which left them feeling forced to leave their jobs - the report added that others felt “humiliated” by the Duchess.


...the email informing the palace of worrying behaviour to some Royal staff was sent by an Aide 3yrs ago but only ‘leaked’ just before the Oprah interview...the ‘timing of the leak’ was part of the story’s context as well as discussed widely by all media...not just the email content, itself...but the whole thing of timing....was that reflected in discussions here, most definitely, of course it was...entire context of stories generally are or try to be...but it didn’t become the focus, as suggested and other aspects dismissed ...there was wide ranging concern expressed that there had been a negligence of care to those staff, from what the story was giving us...it’s a manipulation of fact to say that the concern was of the timing was the main focus, which it very much wasn’t....

Okay thanks that is clearer. Firstly, the women could have insisted their voices were heard ahead of the interview, because they wouldn't know if she was going to mention them in a derogatory way, so the email was then leaked. Not saying that is what happened, but its possible. We just don't know.

Secondly, I didn't say the timing was the main focus for everyone, because that is untrue, but it certainly was for SOME. In fact, to SOME it was outrage at the timing as their first reaction, and no outrage at the thought that these women may have been bullied by Meghan. Go back and look at the thread...
The narrative wasn't - 'if these women say they were bullied then they felt bullied and we should believe them'!! for some - whereas when Meghan says she was neglected by the Palace it was "if she felt she was, then she was", if she said she had suicidal thoughts, then she did"!!
That is my point. The double standard.

[thesheriff443]

Put it this way, the police and social services plus other agencies knew gangs of Muslim men where abusing vulnerable girls for years

It’s was only when it hit the news big time was the cover up seen.

Only when Meghan decided to do the tell all interview did the bullying allegations come to light.

Palace was wrong Meghan was wrong end of argument